DOCTOR WHO 14x8 REACTION | Empire of Death | Season 1 Episode 8 | Series 14 Episode 8 | FINALE

[@ghlmk5931]

The only explanation for Ruby’s mom pointing at the sign is that she knew there was a CCTV camera and that the police and/or social services would see the video during their investigation of an abandoned baby. It also explains her hooded cloak, to hide her face so they couldn’t find her. It was indeed very goofy, though. And I’m unclear as to why the Doctor’s memory of that moment kept changing.

[@sorenfarley]

I think the memory changed because Doc landed, so she had someone who would see her point.

[@pandaphil]

Or maybe her mom was going through a goth phase. :)

[@marcelosousa6656]

Our own memory of things change

[@homiedclown]

"The only explanation for Ruby’s mom pointing at the sign is that she knew there was a CCTV camera and that the police and/or social services would see the video during their investigation of an abandoned baby. It also explains her hooded cloak, to hide her face so they couldn’t find her." Thank you, @ghlmk5931, you just cleared up the one issue I had with the episode.

[@eh708]

But it was already established that there was no CCTV footage pointing towards the Church.

[@xedalpha1]

I love that ever since the Brig's walking stick in Sarah Jane Adventures that its been canon for all UNIT mobility aids to be crammed with weapons.

[@TheCagedCorvid]

I love it, I'm hoping in future that it extends to other things like glasses with zoom or night vision, sonar hearing aids, weapons in prosthetics, should there be anybody with one... people consistently underestimate the disabled, so I think it'd be quite an effective strategy to utilise that and take the power back.

[@nugget3687]

Not everything made complete sense, why did maestro say she was "wrong" and why the memory changed, but i think i understand the bulk of it. The tardis has been to the church on ruby road. Ruby put so much importance on that night, that when she was introduced to the tardis which already went to that night by That point, a link to her and that time was created inadvertently. When she thinks about that night the link grows, sending time to her. The snow from that night falls, the music can be heard. If time is a memory, then memory is time travel, and while memory shouldn't be able to time travel on its own, with the help of an actual time machine who says memory can't trigger it?

[@scaleofperspective6211]

Plus, that night as a space-time event was additionally overcomplicated by Sutekh trying to figure it out and visiting it

[@zoezizzle23]

It’s very interesting that Mrs Flood keeps dressing like former companions. First dressing like Clara (and even calling the Doctor “clever boy”) and her outfit at the end of the episode is very similar to one Romana wore. I’m very intrigued to see where they’re going with this.

[@cynthiar3444]

She gave me Missy vibes with the parasol and bag.

[@itsalexney]

Iris Wildthyme maybe? Or the Rani..

[@jomalt8242]

In her first episode she's has a padded coat and beanie hat that feels very Rose Tyler

[@itsalexney]

@@jomalt8242 Rose can’t break the fourth wall though.

[@itsalexney]

@@jomalt8242 the Rani has dressed up as companions before. P

[@WhoMusic]

"That's so goofy, but … it's the sentiment that matters" - 100% agreed. The pointing thing was a bit difficult to believe but the rest of the reveal made up for it.

[@backtoearth1983]

I think her mother is a phony.... it was too easy. And we know Ruby is coming back

[@lewisharvey9109]

​@backtoearth1983 highly unlikely theory😂

[@MrEtherlord]

Actually she wasn't pointing anywhere. It was a memory that changed. It's mentioned in Space Babies. She named Ruby just by leaving her on Ruby Road and that pointing was just symbolic that she did it on purpose.

[@aliwantizu]

When Ruby's birth mother said, "My Baby," it was OVER! 😭😭😭😭😭😭😭 Dammit Doctor Who, Ya Got Me...AGAIN!

[@TheUnknown313]

Ncuti’s painful scream made me tear up tbh.

[@jdubthegaymer]

I think she was pointing for the CCTV. She knew there were cameras, hence the hood.

[@DylanSterling]

The Reel Rejects reaction to "Do you have any metal?" was the best. Woman: "Have you got any metal?" John: "Slayer, Metallica." 🤣

[@solitarymaninblack]

There are the Tales Of The Tardis episodes which reunite old cast members. The Memory Tardis is from that.

[@Drakoni23]

It's not 100% perfect but what it did well really hit with me so to me that is what sticks. I love so much that Ruby's mother is not some godly being, a time lord, a paradox, or anything else theorised. After the christmas special I almost hoped we wouldn't figure out, leaving it a mystery, teaching the Doctor that it's ok to not know. But this works just as well. "Everyone is important" has been a Doctor who message for a long time, sometimes more, sometimes less, depending on the Doctor's personality at the time.

[@Vincornelis]

Why does he have machineguns on his Segway? Same reason Shirley had guns on her wheelchair and she did say they all have.

[@johnniequinn3215]

#BringShirleyBack

[@fayesouthall6604]

Bingo

[@marcchabot4098]

With the angle he shooting he definetely fire at kate or the soldier in the front 😂

[@Sparx632]

@@Eric_1991she’s in Geneva, it’s strange the episode itself didn’t mention it.

[@pandaphil]

@@Eric_1991 Hell, I still miss Osborn.

[@VonPatzy]

I’m happy to hand wave a lot - but the part that’s hardest for me about Sutekh being an invisible parasite since Tom Baker is that we don’t have breadcrumbs to point to for the past 50 years but suddenly so many in the past 7 episodes. Like events like “the doctor’s wife” where the scavengers lure 11 to eat the tardis and even pull the “soul” out so they can devour the box - you would think someone would notice the Egyptian god beast perched in the rafters in some capacity? Like I’m not trying to nitpick - I liked this mostly but it just felt like they made it all bigger and more all encompassing then was needed or plausible. I personally get taken out of any story that decides it needs to kill the entire cosmos in act 1 when it makes it obvious that none of the stakes matter. Death doesn’t mean anything when it’s just hosed across the entire story.

[@johnniequinn3215]

My Headcanon is that Sutekh was hanging on for all this time, but was only able to manipulate events after “Wild Blue Yonder” when the Doctor broke the barriers of reality at the edge of space to allow beings like the Toymaker a foothold into this reality. From there he was literally able to reach back along his timeline to retcon events.

[@shoverload5135]

So the mystery’s remaining - Who’s Mrs Flood? - Why can Ruby summon snow? - Why did the Maestro say she was “wrong”? - Who’s the new boss that’s been being mentioned? - Why’d RTD write a cop out ending to rubys story?

[@HellfireComms]

Ruby's story isn't over, RTD confirmed this in a recent interview. Specifically the family stuff.

[@sarahtaggart9501]

I think Ruby’s birth mother was pointing to the sign because she knew there were security cameras filming. That’s how Ruby was able to have the VHS tape. So I think she kept her face deliberately hidden because of the cameras.

[@RubyMadigan]

Ruby's mum didn't point until the Doctor became part of the memory. She was telling him because he was looking at the church. She probably thought he'd be the one to find her Mrs Flood still being weird is kinda funny. Her costume at the end does give a hint of who she might be but this might be another Russell tease

[@molduga]

She’s Marry Poppins obviously

[@RubyMadigan]

@@molduga I mean Mary Poppins definitely uses time lord technology for her bag so it's not entirely unlikely 😂

[@davidclayton579]

Russell T(ease)

[@FineAndAndy]

Part of me really likes the reveal that Ruby's mom is just some ordinary person, and the scene where they reconnect is the best scene of the episode. It fits in well with majors themes of the season, and I like that it's not played for drama (e.g., "How could you abandon me?"), and instead both Ruby and her mom are just emotionally aware and mature about it. So all of that is great, BUT... We were forcefed clues throughout the season that Ruby and her mom are somehow special/powerful/important, and the "just an ordinary woman" conclusion feels like a big FU from the writers. "Ha ha, I can't believe you trusted us when we showed that Ruby can manifest snow in various times/places, and when the Maestro saw something inside of Ruby that was placed there by the Oldest One at the time of her birth, etc. SURPRISE! Those were just lies to make you speculate!" Also, in the TARDIS at the very end, Ruby's use of the phrase "my REAL mom" kind of rubbed me the wrong way, considering the relationship they've shown that she has with Carla thus far.

[@eh708]

Yep, absolutely. It’s not a case of inflated expectations. Multiple things don’t make sense if Ruby and her parents are just ordinary.

[@TheCagedCorvid]

Well, I think they managed to loosely make sense of most of it, but I'm a little bothered by the insinuation that we are assigning meaning to things all by ourselves when THEY are the ones egging us all on, on and off screen, in interviews, advertising, social media... it almost feels like someone goading you into an argument, then telling you you're too sensitive. Maybe that comes from my own personal experiences of that, but it felt kinda crappy...

[@TDM2895]

I love the fact ruby mum was just ordinary she’s only important because we thought she was subverts our expectations and I love that

[@alexjames4507]

This is gonna be a divisive finale for sure lmao

[@playlistb3795]

For all the silliness of the why she is named so, that damn reunion. It was so beautiful. And The Doctor projecting on Ruby his fears about looking in on Susan, and then seeing how well it goes for Ruby changing his mind. This episode had some iffy plot moments, but the emotional points hit hard

[@gingerSnips]

Here is my take on the pointing.. she left Ruby at the door of the church. The priest opened in enough time to see her mom walking away and saw her pointing to the sign. The priest looked and named her Ruby. Is it perfect? NO, but its the best way it can wrap up.

[@kristianmingle]

The only thing I would have changed about the finale personally is the pointing thing. They should have said she was pointing to show the Doctor where she left Ruby…..

[@lykan2]

Doctor:"What happens if you bring death to death?" "What?" Math ( -- (death)) x ( -- (death)) = (+(life)) :D

[@ericjones6599]

First off, this is Dr. Who the show that is sooo old that it has a million plot holes. LOL! However, if you watched the entire season one mystery is solved, but not revealing who Mrs. Flood is, keeps the Who in Who. So was the season a sucess? Answer Yes- Ruby is the outer embodiment of the Doctor coming to grips that he is adopted. Check-Timeless Child,. Two- Since The Flux we have been going around with a quarter of the universe. By using Sutekh, and the logic of this story that even the worlds that were destroyed in the Flux should now be restored because the fix point in time that the Doc visted those worlds they were living planets. Side note Gallifrey is would still be dead because at the 13th-Doc's time stream the Mastered killed everybody. Sorry! Three- Our 15th Doc is so incredibly human, more so than 13th(a mom), 14th(tramua victim), that Rawness makes you love 15. That RAWNESS is beggging the Coming of the Valeyard!!! So yes, on one hand the season has a bowtie on it, but yet it is a cliffhanger because soo many things are unanswered.

[@Grimlock7]

I always thought of the "bring death to death = life" part as, if you kill the aspect of death, then the sand that killed people never occurred in the first place, so people never died, thus they lived. Kinda like miracle day from torchwood, when people stopped dying, "death had been killed" and people kept living, thus life. In this case sutekh killed his own aspect of death meaning the sand so no one actually died, in the time vortex so it happened simultaneously everywhere. One thing that keeps confusing me tho, even if ruby is human and we know who her parents are now, putting all that aside, how tf did she keep making snow fall? Even if her mother was made "more important" by themselves, how did that even relate to the memory snow falling? Also, why was maestro's reaction to her so extreme, like they could feel something inside her, feels like something was retconned along the way.

[@theadamabrams]

Sutekh secretly clinging to the TARDIS for so long is confusing 'cause TARDIS has been through some sh*t since the 4th Doctor. Was Sutekh chilling on the House asteroid outside the Universe in 6x04? Was he still wrapped around the giant TARDIS on Trenzalore in 7x13? Did he shrink in 8x09? The whole episode was weird. Not terrible, but weak. Sutekh was defeated quite easily. The pointing thing was ridiculous, as is the claim that Ruby's mom was simultaneously "more powerful than gods and Time Lords" but also a random person whom they found _really easily._

[@fayesouthall6604]

Better on a re watch. Saw it at midnight and then this evening on TV. Some things that confused me made sense on second viewing !

[@midnightpiledriver]

Glad to know RTD hasn't changed much since 2010, same old Russell and his finales

[@HellfireComms]

@@fayesouthall6604 Yeah it didn't sit that great with me on the first way. Glad I slept on it and watched it again.

[@marcelosousa6656]

I watched another react this morning and the finale works so much better a second time

[@GingerGeek7567]

This was a fantastic series, I’m happy that who is back hope it stays that way. The end made me cry 😢 hope we see Ruby again and Ncuti was amazing and so was Millie 💙 looking forward to doing a binge rewatch!!

[@MrImpossibleCase]

I'm still feeling conflicted over the finale. All that build-up for nothing. I knew the second everyone started dying, we were going to get another reset button moment. For me, the best part of the episode was Mel. Seeing her finding The Sixth Doctor's coat and later cuddling The Seventh Doctor's jumper made me tear up.

[@planthungry]

Davies said that Ruby is back full time next season as is a second companion that we've already met. (you can google if you want to know who it is) Can't wait.

[@fayesouthall6604]

I’m glad Millie is back 😊

[@Sparx632]

We’ve met the actor for the new companion, but she’s playing a different character

[@AmyWarriorPrincess]

No she's not going to be back full time. Faraday Sethu from Andor who was going to be the next companion. I'm actually glad. because Ruby reminded me too much of Rose, and I don't like Rose. Won't be able to handle a second season of her.

[@planthungry]

@@AmyWarriorPrincess Not what Davies said.... Davies confirmed to SFX Magazine: "[Gibson is] not leaving. Not at all. We were ordered for two years of a series off Disney, and we're delivering two years, and the Ruby Sunday story literally spans those two years. "We are planning [to] shoot the [season 2] finale in which Ruby has the most magnificent scenes, and Millie, it's some of [her] most challenging material yet, isn't it? It will all make sense once you see it play out." The writer admitted that it is "very unfortunate that these things make the papers," reflecting: "We're in a very difficult position, because you can't answer rumour, you can't speak to rumour, we can't try and pin it down because the internet will just run away and will either misinterpret or will decide that the Princess of Wales has been replaced by four cats in a wig. "So, it's that you cannot begin to answer this sort of stuff. But you will see the love that we have for Millie and the extraordinary stories that Ruby's about to go on over the next two years. I guarantee you that.

[@DmonHiro]

That was a terrible finale. The stuff about Sutekh was OK, but the resolution for Ruby's mystery was shit. Oh, she's ordinary.... except the reality warping snow part. Yup... totally ordinary.

[@HellfireComms]

RTD said we're not done with Ruby's family, so there's still the matter of her Dad.

[@jasonmarbach]

This episode broke me, between my love of Ncuti’s doctor and Ruby, and some real life stuff. Really moving, wonderful episode, in my opinion, even though a couple aspects of it were a little goofy, perhaps.

[@redcurrantart]

It did bother me when he didn’t own the 4th Doctor as himself. There’s been a couple references in the finale were it almost felt like he was embarrassed of who he had been. That hasn’t felt very Doctor to me.

[@CoolEnginesChristytrekkie]

Well the Doctor was ashamed of the War Doctor.

[@TenderbitsGames]

I think that was the memory dying at that time. He might not have actually remembered that was him at that point

[@sorenfarley]

I think the memory changed because Doc landed, so she had someone who would see her point.

[@christianschoff2490]

"No sir, I don't like it." and this is coming from someone who likes Thirteenth Doctor.

[@solitarymaninblack]

Did the whole Thanos snap thing.

[@cerberus01]

I'd like to think that the pointing to the street sign is when Ruby got picked up off the doorstep because heck, it's all based on memories since the tape didn't have clear picture.

[@suncore598]

Great finale. The wrap-up of Ruby's parentage was emotionally satisfying though it left some questions unanswered. Mrs. Flood remains a mystery and her last words about the Doctor gave me chills down my spine. I expect RTD has something big planned for the character. I can't wait to find out what it is.

[@GingerGeek7567]

You talking about Sutekh attaching himself to the tardis all this time, what about the time during Matt smith reign season five I think when the tardis exploded !!!

[@calidofrio13]

My entire question was SUTEKH, god of death is killing the entire universe in every year in every plannet, where is 14?

[@bintube5269]

He is with Donna who works for UNIT, who was apparently never contacted during any of this even tho her child is hanging around at her workplace for some reason. 😅

[@HellfireComms]

The episode sits a bit better for me after a couple of rewatches, but like you said there's some real goofy shit in there which honestly I just laugh at. The pointing thing, specifically. RTD's said that Ruby's story is NOT over, though, and the family aspect is still something we'll be looking into.

[@PrincessKagayaki]

I have a feeling they will reveal that it was not her mom but older ruby who find a way to save herself by dropping baby her off at the church. the camera is almost pretty much 73 yards away and Ruby mentions 73 yards and the doctor wonder how she knew it! And she is pointing to the camera because she know it is there to say basically 'it's me Ruby' and she can't be seen because it's Ruby herself. it makes way more sense. I think the reveal of her mom is real but the memory changed 3x once is the original memory with her mom, second is when the doctor drops her off and then one where she fixes the destroyed timeline from 2046. So i kinda think she will be like clara where she is ordinary but then FTR-Hell Bent explain it the echoes. I think Ruby will make herself special.

[@ThomCurley]

Thank god for you, Sir. The perfect reaction. A proper fan who gets it and I appreciate it more than you could know. So sick of so-called fans who just diss and concentrate on their own wants and negativity over the show, adding to all that hate already out there.

[@AlexanderForsman]

Too high stakes for such an easy solution. Was that really the one the toymaker was afraid of? Even the Maestro seemed more of a threat. Also calling Sutekh cultural appropriation is while =D this season get 3/10, as in it could be worse

[@HellfireComms]

Sutekh can kill anything, so yeah I think even other gods would avoid him if they could.

[@AlexanderForsman]

@@HellfireComms Toymaker could change reality. And the Maestro wanted the death of everything too. In the end Sutekh was nothing more interesting than an killer. The fact that he started killing stuff from everywhere at once his only unique thing. If at least Unit had been permanently killed he would have done something in the end.

[@AmyWarriorPrincess]

A negative and a negative cancel each other out and cause a positive

[@dramonmaster222]

There are still some unanswered but I agree i like the IDEA of this finale.

[@freebird6591]

I do get what they were going for with the mother reveal etc but I just felt so underwhelmed. Like it was a cop out somehow. The whole 'time is memory, is time' etc has massive implications, it's actually extremely overpowered. Docs own strength of will can/could do some crazy stuff with it

[@CatDuckChu]

am i the only one that thinks her mother pointing to the sign to name her was normal?

[@terrysilverthorn4582]

really hoped they would reveal Mrs Flood/Anita Dobson was going to be but its been left open i still think she's The Rani

[@molduga]

“Last two creatures” Yeah RTD forgot about Jack

[@Drakoni23]

Well, the doctor was there when he died, so there is a time where he too is dead.

[@dagrimone]

isnt there 2 suteks though? i mean in the toymaker episode the tardis was duplicated doesnt that stand then the big bad doggo which was riding the tardis was also duplicated?

[@Cornberry]

I think this episode is very similar to Church on Ruby Road. Like it gave me similar vibes in its structure and feels, but the goblins to me were done better than Sutekh. I feel like Sutekh was a rather easy defeat. Ah well, honestly it's consistent with the character of Sutekh from old Who lol.

[@CoolEnginesChristytrekkie]

Yeah the build up of Ruby's mom was to much for them to just have her be an ordinary person. I liked everything about this episode except that. WTH is Flood though.

[@tomboepplewatercolorsdesig1258]

I finished watching episode 8 today and while I liked it, I’m feeling a bit nostalgic! I grew up watching Doctor Who here & there on my PBS channel during the 70s. Then in the 2000s I started watching Eccleston. I enjoyed the show, I felt like I was growing up with the Doctor. I’m 62 now…o haven’t enjoyed every episode this past season…but, these past two felt more like classic who to me. I still like the old special effects. I like the way the cybermen used to look and the klunkiness of the episodes because they always had smart stories and made you feel at home. These last few episodes made me feel at home again, emotionally charged and packed with nostalgia! I don’t care if everything didn’t quite make sense…I just felt good by the end of the episode!

[@AmyWarriorPrincess]

If you haven't started watching classic who, I suggest that you start. That way a lot of the references that have come up throughout the years will make more sense

[@Sanjuany]

The way ruby was dressed when they went to 2046 reminded me of the doctor’s doctor with Tennant, who was played by his wife. Thought maybe that might come back around….Finally. Like maybe that was his daughter and ruby was actually his granddaughter. Oh well.

[@TopherPotter]

IMO I think this episode let down the build up that not only this series gave (Susan twist, the one who waits, snow, carol of the bells. Ect) but also the resurrection of Sutekh after all this time. I feel he didn't get enough screen time/action, the jeopardy went too soon when the world (especially unit, Mrs Flood) turned to ash. It just felt unsatisfying. Not just Sutekh but Ruby's mum reveal, it's like repeatedly telling me you've got a secret to the point of frustration then telling me the secrets that the sky's blue.

[@aardvarkmaximus7688]

What could have been an excellent episode was a bit 'meh' to be honest. It didn't live up to the hype of the way in. The episode's resolution just didn't have the justification for how we got there. RTD has shown us several times now that he can write himself into a good cliff-hanger and he's really not very good at writing the resolution. 'See what happens when death meets death ... we get life' ... erm, what? They are always too fast, a one-trick gimmick or loophole, bam they're done. No nuances, no convoluted logic, very little 'timey-wimey'. He needs someone else to write the Doctor & co a way out of the situation that he's got them into.

[@cje499]

My 2 biggest nitpick for this finale: 1) Closure to Susan Foreman 2) Anti-Climax to Ruby's mum

[@kacektv9405]

Im prone to wild hypotheses on the regular in particular to Doctor Who and I sometimes swing for the fences. This time Im swinging for the doggone neighboring city's baseball diamond cuz my Mrs Flood swing is: Shes some kind of amalgamation of the negative memories of companions past. Her name is potentially Carol Flood Ala River Song, she calls the doctor Clever Boy ala Clara and is in one of her outfits this episode, Shes once seen in a kinda walker similar to Wilf with his wheelchair, and at the end of this episode shes dressed a Ramona. Failing that absolute full body swing she definitely seems designed to make ya think of multiple companions.

[@gracebrown3074]

The thing I don’t understand is why the doctor is so easy to believe that Rubys mother is just ordinary when he kept commenting on how he had never seen snow manifest as a memory like that and kept being completely shocked. It makes no sense he connected the dots like that because then you would have seen that happen more frequently with many different things. Gah I feel like there were so many plot holes and things that don’t make sense that just makes me feel disappointed by the episode. How does Sutak going through the time vortex suddenly bring everyone back. That felt like a very big stretch.

[@donny1960]

Great reaction. I just wonder how you were personally on that road when Ruby's Mom pointed at that sign and knew beyond any doubt that she was NOT giving her daughter her name. It must be a burden to know everything so emphatically.

[@chrisleneil]

As a natural born goth, I have always owned black cloaks. Yes, even as a teen. Yes, even now, as a middle-aged adult. It’s a commitment to the bit.

[@Hercules_Flexing]

Also uh who is the Meep's boss? And is this whole bringing back life to every planet how Gallifrey comes back?

[@barriehull7076]

The hooded woman was really Obi-Wan Kenobi on his way to a launderette. Mrs Flood was after going to the launderette.

[@Face2East]

Genuine question, is there actually a youtuber that like it, in a nonironic way. I've tried looking but can't find.

[@JArm1996]

Funny I was JUST thinking about the Ood turning to dust just before he mentioned the Ood Sphere! :(

[@pandaphil]

We still don't know why Ruby keeps making it snow. Maybe it's connected to her father.

[@Jarcovancapelleveen]

So I wonder if Sutekh was attached to The TARDIS since The 4th Doctor does that mean when The TARDIS exploded during the events of The Pandorica did it kill Sutekh too before The Doctor reversed time?

[@chazo1367]

In Big Bang it’s revealed the Tardis looped herself and the control room which Sutekh is part of at that point so he was looped too.

[@ryandubeau5298]

No. Captain Jack. Someone I can't die when it makes sense to have in the episode of old death.

[@solitarymaninblack]

Ruby looked great in that Black vest.

[@MrMarvel420]

You'd think reactors would be the ones to catch the one-off lines that explain everything. The only reason 10s era makes sense is cuz we've had 15 years to theorize and figure out why it it makes sense. No difference here. Donna's whole "destiny" thing was goofy too

[@itskashkashi]

Misdirection for Misdirection sake when you have a fan base like whovians is really risky and i don't think it payed off. I'm just kinda deflated and disappointed.

[@cynthiar3444]

It was bad. I think maybe things got scrambled because Millie is leaving the show?

[@itskashkashi]

It seems like she was always meant to leave though? I was mostly enjoying the season you know, ignoring the little things that bothered me, but this finale? Feels insulting tbh. Or maybe I'm just not smart enough to get it?

[@Johne77777]

I swear that that Mrs Flood might be a new incarnation of The Master??? Something about her screams "I know more than you can possibly imagine..." And how she knows a TARDIS at the end of the Christmas special....?? Time Lord? The Rani???

[@itsalexney]

Iris wildthyme or the Rani.

[@damaruslove8688]

Yo who is the old woman she freaking me out 😂😂

[@fayesouthall6604]

Anita Dobson. She’s great.

[@Jarcovancapelleveen]

So many references in this episode. The Clockwork Droid mask, mentioning the Oods, Skaro and the Daleks, I’m pretty sure I saw 13s Sonic, 6th and 7th clothes, the crack in Amy’s wall.

[@Jarcovancapelleveen]

Oh and Bad Wolf Bay.

[@samfisher6606]

I was really enjoying this episode up until the end. The Doctor controlling the TARDIS with a whistle was a lot of fun. I like the solution of this episode and the idea of death of death creating life. I just didn’t not like the end. Though the sentiment that something is important because we ascribe it importance is nice, it feels like such a cop out. Her being just a regular person doesn’t make sense to me. Because then why didn’t Sutekh the name of anyone else who was in the same position as Ruby? I much rather would’ve prefered Ruby’s mom or even dad being some type of other member of the pantheon, making Ruby a demigod. And I’m really interested in seeing where the Mrs. Flood stuff goes. I’m glad they kept that open. And I am sorry to see the season end so fast. With the Doctor being in only the majority of 6/8 of the episodes, I feel like I barely know him. And while I love that we have a Doctor who is emotional, his crying every single episode really makes the whole crying thing less impactful.

[@TDM2895]

I don’t really have a problem with brining death to death = life, at the end of the day this is a tv show about a time travelling alien in a blue box I think we can all suspend a bit of disbelief.

[@Pokemichael]

I’m pretty sure the life that was brought back to the universe was just from what was killed in the death wave. But at the same time, they could use it to bring back Gallifrey again idk.

[@SupaKen74]

Everyone was dead in 2046

[@backtoearth1983]

We know Ruby's story is not done. Though I do think RTD dropped the ball in communicating that leaving people frustrated. MY takeaways... Ruby herself has a perception filter as hinted in dialogue. Why did the Doctor not want Ruby to talk to her mother (out of character). Is she really Ruby's mother or is a plot a foot. Is Ruby's father related ot Mad Jack (Ap Gwilliam (of William) Her father's name is William. With the reveal that 73 yards is the range of a perception filter when it becomes more apparent that old Ruby (Jack's Herald) wasn't telling people terrible things, she was showing them terrible things, they all look directly at Ruby before they freak out. Does standing at the very edge of the perception filter cause it's effect to sort of glitch and you see what's really real? Finding Ruby's mother was far too easy, and none of Maestro or Sutekh's dialogue work if she is just some random teen mom. For a few scenes I was almost convinced UNIT set up a fake mom just to make Ruby stop looking for now

[@Aetheria60]

There was no pointing in the original timeline, it was the Doctor’s memory that changed and his memory that influenced the time window. I’m convinced it was a subconscious thing on his (and/or the Tardis) part to lead to the scene in the coffee shop. Knowing her mother would recognize the name giving Ruby a way to break the ice.

[@mixinginthebox]

Lol 22:39

[@chaotic7cam]

I’ve loved all of this new season, but while the production value was great, I was very disappointed in this finale. Sutek being defeated in one episode? Then Ruby’s mom and the mystery of everything… they really built it up so hard only to cheat us in the end.

[@ashleyhoover1559]

She was naming her daughter herself because she knew she would never see her child again at least she thought she would never see her child again so she gave the child her name. It was beautiful.

[@janeenpuckett5946]

When Mcuti knocked his Tardis out of David’s, did Sutekh also get knocked over to Ncuti’s?

[@charlie53echo]

Ahh, Doctor Who...the "theater kids screwing around in the prop house" of sci-fi. ❤

[@ronniedodge3299]

Doctor who taking dog walking to new heights lol

[@railfan711]

I wonder what happened to the tardis they created?

[@Jon_FM]

The snow thing kind of really seems like a weird idea if Ruby is just a normie.

[@benjames9158]

So glad someone mentioned that name thing. As if she said aloud ‘I dub thee ruby’

[@bryanfoster362]

She could’ve just pinned a note to the baby’s swaddling saying “Her name is Ruby”

[@JulieFreyHomeWebBiz]

Those mini-episode Tardis memories with classic companions were clues, it appears.

[@joshuajoshua2732]

I think they were just there for fan service.

[@istvancouver9514]

They better bring susan next season after all the false implications.

[@joluoto]

No, the only reason to ever bring Susan back is if they want to end the show. Going back to Susan is the Doctor's Endgame.

[@auntvesuvi3872]

Thanks, Omni! ⏳

[@АлексбарсаИскания]

my rating of doctor who season 1/14 7/10

[@jasonmarbach]

A wild theory I heard was that Mrs. Flood called the doctor “clever boy” when she reappears with Cherry, and the whole episode (before the end on the roof) she’s wearing a very particular outfit that someone ELSE who used to call the doctor a “clever boy” was wearing the last time we saw her…riding off into the universe in a TARDIS with Maisie Williams… (not endorsing this theory as legit or likely, just saying it’s a fun one)

[@jasonmarbach]

Oh, I just got to the part of the video where you call this out directly

[@jasonmarbach]

Someone else I was talking to (who was more into classic who than me) pointing out that the Rani dressed as companions in the past (it was Mel that she did that with, actually, which might play into part of why they brought Mel back here) and it might be her again

[@itsalexney]

@@jasonmarbachI’ve always been on the Rani train unless they go some weird route like Iris Wildthyme which would fit.

[@lykan2]

WHO THE FUCK IS MRS. FLOOD?!!!

[@joluoto]

They definitely threw out some clues this episode, but it might be Russel T fucking with us again.

[@wyren925]

Theirs a recent spin off show called "tales of the TARDIS" That uses the Remembered TARDIS as a way for past doctors and companions (by having the actual actors) to come back to talk about and remember their adventures, and even give some companions a better end/resolution.

[@neilkendrick4976]

A fan since 63: a doctor for a generation... an emasculated disney doctor... oh, happy joy joy.

[@happyblue4940]

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[@ashleyj97]

A lot have not enjoyed the finale. I lovrd it ❤