Doctor Who: 20 Things You Didn't Know About The Angels Take Manhattan

[@MatthewVlossak]

Sometimes, I’d like to think that the events of The Angels Take Manhattan happen BEFORE certain episodes of s7a so The Doctor can go back and see his family without disrupting the happenings in the future.

[@MaybeItsGas]

I've heard that theory and stand by it. Very possible since so much of their story (like the whole River/Melody arc, or Impossible Astronaut) was mixed up. He doesn't like endings, so he just wanted a little more time

[@veggiet2009]

That's very possible as the Doctor was leaving them alone for stretches at a time

[@dw7704]

Also Amy’s appearance in 11’s finale, it wasn’t literally Amy, it was a regeneration thing, which has happened with other Doctors as others saw previous companions during regeneration

[@MatthewVlossak]

The Doctor was her imaginary friend and in the end she became his.

[@weatherwitchandfelinefamiliars]

​@@MatthewVlossakohhhh 😢💔❤

[@veggiet2009]

Exactly, and the purpose of stepping away from a role is not to take the spotlight away from other characters, and those don't really take the spotlight

[@HandsomeLongshanks]

I didnt think a companion leaving could hurt as much as Rose's departure but Amy and Rory going was so much more emotional for me. Watching 11 lose it while River remains strong to keep her eyes on the angel is just so raw

[@WildeMermaid]

Especially when you think about the fact that she had to hold it together to let him grieve her own parents

[@lisa_wistfulone7957]

Thank you!! I’m working my way through S7 again, and this is my next episode! I like to imagine that Rory’s middle name is on the tombstone because his son had often heard Amy scold “Rory. Arthur. Williams!” And that Amy didn’t like her middle name (I feel like that’s mentioned somewhere?) so her son didn’t actually know it to put on the stone.

[@mattandsarahaschan]

Technically, Angel's Take Manhattan wasn't the last on screen appearance of Rory. He's since appeared in two (as far as I'm concerned canon) youtube shorts. The first, while never filmed, Arthur did voice over for, was a letter sent to his father a-la Back To The Future, telling him of their fate and how they lived their lives. The second was in 2020, where Arthur came back and filmed a short shot on "the only Smart Phone in existence" telling their son about life that is to come, and Amy is heard in the last few seconds, telling him to come help with the baby, or something along those lines. Been a while since I watched that one, so my memory may be fuzzy on it.

[@Croftice1]

Sean talks about those. And this episode is actually really the only appearance of Arthur/Rory in the show. Those two short videos aren't part of the show, aren't proper episodes, are they? So Sean was completely correct on that one. Yes, they do exist, but Arthur didn't appear on the show ever since the Angels take Manhattan episode, no outside stuff can change that. Amy/Karen did appear briefly as a regeneration halucination to the 11th Doctor, but Rory/Arthur didn't.

[@jpwphoenix1701]

An additional fact, I know that Karen and Arthur’s final scene they filmed wasn’t actually in this episode but was the ending of the previous episode, “The Power of Three”.

[@badfairy9554]

Mark is so funny in that.

[@adamgoss3638]

This is the first time I've ever heard anyone speak WELL of Angels Take Manhattan, so often it seems to get nothing but derision, mainly for the use of the Statue of Liberty, and nothing else said. It's actually one hell of a mind-fuck episode, and so upsetting with the loss of the Ponds (especially Rory who vanished suddenly without the good-bye that Amy got to have), I've never been able to bring myself to re-watch it.

[@kevin10001]

This was the first time the angels had been used since The Time of Angels/Flesh and Stone where the angels are sucked into the crack in time making the version from blink nonexistent anymore so with this episode moffat basically had a clean slate to do what he wanted with them so making them mess with time could be possible under moffat’s version of the angels

[@markduggan3451]

The graveyard in Llanelli is where a lot of my wife's family are buried. The time the Doctor came to town was something we will always remember.

[@shanchat]

It's a shame Sean couldn't pronounce it properly. lan lelly?

[@weatherwitchandfelinefamiliars]

Oh I really loved this video you've done ❤ It also makes me wonder just How many mini episodes and extras I've missed as I never knew the one about Brian getting the letter nor that the Ponds adopted! I only learnt about 2 years ago of the mini ones with Eleven as it was. Anyway this was fascinating and highly entertaining, thank you 😊

[@НазарОстровський-щ6ш]

i have one theory about cherubs, and this is that, because cherubs are just yound angels, they cannot send you really far back in time, maybe when they touch u , they will send you back for roughly about-a-week back in time to the let's say South Corea, and after consuming/moving more and more poples in time, it's sending back in time gap will become stronger and stornger, till cherub will turn into fully grown Weeping Angel. "But that's just a theory, a [Doctor Who] theory"

[@delladearest2511]

Great coverage, I miss my eleventh doctor and his family and the craziness 😢

[@nicholasstothardsharpthewolf]

my theory as two why the doctor can go back to see amy and rory is because is would be too painful for him to emotionally do it especially when the doctor sees the grave stone meaning even if the doctor could back and more adventures with them they would still have to die in the past in order for the grave to be there in the first place. so in general I think the doctor can see Amy and Rory again but the emotional pain of their future fate could be too much for the doctor to go through whether the couple know about it or not. just my thoughts what do you think?

[@DBEUKGB]

Yes, Rose came back, but it was still hard hitting for fans in Doomsday even though old fans knew she came back! She still gets lost at the end as the doctor left her with the metacrisis doctor, which was human. + same with other companions, it's still hard to see them go. + I feel like Russels era ended where it started too as 10 goes back and talks to Rose before she meets 9.

[@markstewart2008]

THANK YOU,THANK YOU, THANK YOU! You have helped resolve many unanswered questions and issues to Amy & Rory's timeline. I had figured due to the multiple resets to the Pond's (William's) timeline that the Doctor Who would somehow be prevented from any further interaction, for one. I had noticed Amy's middle name missing, and as you yourselves, we must go on never knowing. As to the additional family members to the Weeping Angels, why this one episode and not others? Even in Jodie Whittaker's they are still the same, no variations? BUT! I end this with a rant to one issue that I have been angry for sooo long, Rory's father! I thank you for finally letting me know there was closure, for as you know, we here in the U.S. are not always privileged to all the sources like 'CONFIDENTIAL' or BBC 3 for the extras. And you finally gave me some peace from years thinking how confused and worried Bryan must have been. Also to learn the Pond's (William's) had son was another shocker, but pleasant thought that Amy & Rory got a second chance at parenthood! Thank you again for finally presenting me with the final pieces to their puzzle PS: I wish to share my sadness in the loss of Michael Gambon. I will always rewatch the Christmas special with him and Matt Smith! 🥹 And to my age, a farewell also to David McCallum my man from U.N.C.L.E 😢

[@alpha_wolf220]

i'm surprised you didn't mention how matt smith began to cry after reading the letter

[@Croftice1]

There's yet another sequel. The return of Doctor Mysterio. Yep, the 12th Doctor returns to Manhattan and tries to finally solve the paradox things with some contraption, only to accidentally making a superhero out of a small boy. He even said to that boy, that he's there to fix some things, that are mostly his fault. I mean it was mostly the Angel's fault, but knowing the Doctor he blamed himself for lots of stuff.

[@sophiadc]

I weeped when I saw this episode. I didn't know it would be their last appearance as Companions. Heck, there were so many episodes left in the season (I watched around 2014 or 2015 for the first time)! That was BRUTAL. Amy and Rory were my favourites.

[@HippyAngel001]

Can't tell you how much i ugly-cry every time i see this episode.

[@TheNonameHousehold]

If the 11th managed to make a dull stereotypical typical teacher's outfit complete with a bow tie of all things cool... then I'm sure a future incarnation will manage to make YOWZA! sound cool too 😎

[@danieljfrancis]

"Lan-elli"? Oh, Shaun ;)

[@medafan53]

Something I've noticed is that it provides the Doctor's counter argument to Rory's Criticism about not consulting history books when travelling from "The Girl Who Waited"; the drama here is hinged on the idea that reading about future events means they *have* to happen, meanig that if he read a history book, he would read about disasters he would be unable to stop. It's not the only time this concept has come up, The Fires of Pompei and Waters of Mars come to mind, but I still find it interesting.

[@choco.__.cat8088]

when they showed that one shot of young amelia pond at the end of the episode, i fr cried

[@Grandmama-Rainey]

The Angels are my favorite baddies! Blink is in my favorite 5 episodes of all times!

[@julieeverett7442]

I have quite a few more, having grown up in the classic era (all hail the great one! 4th) Bu t definitely top 20!

[@Mowingthefrontlawn]

This is an amazing video. Would love more like it.

[@sarahglover3286]

I'm sure I saw something before saying Karen lost the second page of the letter so made it up when they were on set and when she recorded the audio they gave her what she'd said not what she had been supposed to say! Also the reason it may be to paradoxical is the whole 7a being backwards thing means he already cheated it 5 times! 6 would blow it up! Not to mention Any's whole life being changed twice or anything to do with their baby!

[@kieran7675]

P.S. is incredible and anyone who hasn't watched it should go and watch it immediately

[@wattsiswhat]

Ya know...I could accept Moffatt's reason as to why the Dr never met up with the Pond's again IF it weren't for River Song being able to.

[@MrDegan2]

Maybe I'm just shouting at clouds, but this was always the episode that killed Doctor Who for me, and it always come back to the fact that they did the jump scene so well, actually capping off the story that Amy will always Pick Rory, having their sacrifice and act of defiance be what saves the day. all for it to not actually be a sacrifice at all has always rubbed me the wrong way. Glad others seem to enjoy it more but the ending leaves a bad taste in my mouth when there was a more heart breaking but (personally) satisfying option on the table.

[@michaeltortorice9876]

"Bethesda" - At this point, I have to think you're just trolling us.

[@Timevortex-x8o]

Miss the ponds

[@TakxGaming]

Yay another video by my favourite people!

[@TheRealSim37]

It does say Rory’s middle name on his ID card in the first ever episode of him when the Doctor is doing that weird “what did I see” scene

[@davidgould9431]

I always worried about 11's popping up with young Amy at the end: surely she'd have remembered, so the whole "12 years" thing goes away. It's Doctor Who - best to enjoy it and not agonise about the implausibilities.

[@RaggedyDoctor11]

Goodbye little Amelia 😭

[@Eggsy_TrekJedi]

Fantastic

[@rebeccamartin8308]

i miss amy and rory it was sad to see them go

[@DavidNPS]

This episode , Doctor/Donna go to Pompeii - Vesuvius gets Super Pissed Off, and Doc 10's Regeneration. The part with the Ood in the street usually makes Me cry. Those three are among My hard ones to watch. The first time I saw T.A.T.M. I was not remotely prepared for what happened to Amy and Rory. Sooooo Mutha Fluffin Not Fair . I was transfixed by Amy Pond . #FierceGinger

[@javascriptsv]

Not to be rude, but you’ve mispronounced Llanelli, the double ll is pronounced more like “chl”

[@krab1791]

I saw David, Matt and Alex at an event the same weekend as NY Comic-Con a day before Jodie’s debut episode. One of the questions always asked is what their favorite episode was. David said he didn’t understand why so many people had Blink as their favorite episode. He said, as the Doctor I was hardly in it. My view on that is that Blink gives us the very essence of the Doctor. Even tho he appears briefly and mostly on “video” the episode distills everything down to the basics. Of “wobbley, timely whimey” is a classic line.

[@ninirossau2304]

my favorite episodes is still the empty child. the question is more which are the worst ones?

[@wispa1a]

Llan- eth-lee. Is how Llanelli is pronounced

[@ivymoon5084]

"Lanelly"? Not how its pronounced at ALL 😂 spelled Llanelli. Im from america and struggle to pronounce it but the way i think about it, a double L in welsh makes the sound "Kh" would if it worked like "Sh" or "Ch" You almost have to be welsh to pronounce it properly tbf

[@elliottwatt5297]

It’s not really pronounced “kh” but I also don’t know how I would right down how to pronounce it either. One of the issues of having a language as old as Welsh.

[@jackvega2542]

Guys guys Guys! In midnight the cart is owned by cyber tech! You can see the logo.

[@karapluemer2531]

I’ll never be ok with their explanation on why the Doctor couldn’t go back for them…makes no sense whatsoever lol. Why can River go and see them but the Doctor can’t? He doesn’t even have to “rescue” them…just visit. So stupid 🤦‍♀️😩

[@Croftice1]

Because the TARDIS can't land there? River uses her Vortex Manipulator. The TARDIS needed her assistance even the first time and there were fewer paradoxes, or stuff with time there at that point. The 12th Doctor tried to get rid of those a bit later (in The return of Doctor Mysterio). So that's why. Too much stuff going on for the TARDIS to land, easy enough to overcome with the Vortex Manipulator.

[@karapluemer2531]

@@Croftice1 I’m not even talking about just the Tardis or just that time or even area. There were so many other options… go to another area and drive to Manhattan….Go before they were sent back and wait… go afterwards. I’ll even agree that because the doctor saw their tombstones, he knows when they were going to die and couldn’t change that. But that leaves all the time before their deaths where he could easily have at least popped in somehow to say what’s up.

[@y_fam_goeglyd]

Seán, can't you say "Llanelli" properly? I'm disappointed. 😏😉

[@OldDavo1950]

Still want to know what happened to Sarah Jane when she was dropped off, when she looked into the sky and saw 2 suns. Whoops wrong place drop off.....

[@BadBadAngel3]

Its pronounced clan-neff-lee not lan-nelly at 7:15 shame on you as a fellow celt😉

[@AndrewJLeslie]

Um. That isn't how you pronounce Llanelli.

[@davidharrison469]

Always funny how non welsh people say llanelli 😂

[@dragonzilla6482]

Daleks killing off Amy and Rory? ME LIKEY! I’D LOVE TO SEE THE DALEKS EXTERMINATE RORY AND AMY AND I’D SAY TO THE DALEKS “TANK YOU FOR GETTING RID OF BAD RUBBISH! EXTERMINATE! EXTERMINATE! EXTERMINATE!

[@nicholyer]

it looks like the book the doctor is reading in The Angels Take Manhattan may be the same as the book you see waved around in Blink

[@stevepettersen3283]

Okay Whovian experts, help me out. In the Angels/Manhattan filming I know Karen Gillan was about 24 IRL. What was Amy Pond's age? 24 seems awfully young for someone to need reading glasses so was Amy supposed to be older?

[@Zeigler_]

I have needed reading glasses since the age of 21 and it's often stated that she is around Karen's age in interviews

[@stevepettersen3283]

@@Zeigler_ Wow, I didn't need them until 42. Guess the need varies widely.

[@julieeverett7442]

She said it had been about ten years since they started travelling, making it 36 not 24.

[@charmzstar7972]

Somewhere in her 30's. DW is never overly specific in regards to companions ages. She is 19 in the s5 opener post waiting, and then it is mentioned it takes 2 years for him too come back so 21 making Amy somewhere in her early 30s by the time we get here since she mentions he'd been in and out of their lives for 10 years so roughly 31-32 excluding physical aging as when travelling with the doctor, so even if she is young her body may be slightly older, I don't remember if companions age in the TARDIS or not.

[@ginadunlap6630]

Actually at that time, I believe they comment near the beginning of the episode that they have been travelling with him non-stop after the Power of Three for over 10 years. Plus, they had already mentioned in previous episode that a year had gone by here, two years there, etc, so they had been travelling with the Doctor on and off for at least 20 years, which made it extra painful, as they were with him longer than anyone in his travels since he and the TARDIS stole one another.

[@taylorgodfrey6831]

so theoretically the entire girl who waited story didn't happen if 11 went back?

[@timecontroller8800]

This is my favourite episode of series eleven and it has lots of rewatch value it has a great atmosphere good characters and fun ideas

[@DrWhoFanJ]

It isn’t in Series 11, though.

[@josephcooter5763]

Yowzah? Who does he think he is Richie Cunningham?

[@HogW1ld385]

I HATE the Ponds. First, little Amy is somehow able to survive living with the Crack that has already taken her family. Not only did the Crack never take her but she is somehow able to buy food, pay bills and taxes, go to school and everything else by herself with no explanation and no one noticing. Then there’s the fact that she is a cheater. She runs off with a man the night before her wedding and later tries to seduce him that same night. Even when The Doctor points out that she is getting married she doesn’t care and continues. When Rory joins them she treats him like a friend rather than the love of her life fiancé and it’s apparent she still has eyes for the Doctor instead. Rory is just pathetic. Rory and Mickey were both used as the comedic boyfriend but Mickey was quick to notice that Rose was in love with the Doctor and actually fought to keep her for a bit but realized it was a lost cause and gave her up. Rory may have been upset when he learned Amy ran off with the Doctor on their wedding night but was easily manipulated by Amy into accepting it. Any time that Rory began to notice that Amy actually loved the Doctor all Amy had to do was just tell him he was wrong and she loved him and Rory would believe her and go right back to being the little puppy following her around. Hell the first time we meet Rory she only calls him her ‘friend’ which he keeps correcting to ‘boyfriend’ but she never acknowledges it! Amy was a master at manipulating and controlling Rory through his love for her. Even after marrying Rory she was cheating on him right in front of his face. She used Rory for the physical relationship the Doctor wouldn’t give her. But she had the Doctor for the emotional relationship. Essentially she’s the wife who has a husband at home that is subservient to her and will provide whatever she wants while also having another man to go out and have fun with. Both Rory who was blindly in love with her and the Doctor who was really rather childish in this regeneration at the time failed to notice what she was doing. Even the times when she “chose” Rory she only did so because she was “suppose” to and she really wanted the Doctor instead. Even at the end it wouldn’t be a huge surprise if Amy had disregarded the Doctor and read the end of the book anyway. She thought jumping off the roof would break the loop (or whatever you want to call it) and she’d change her own fate to be able to continue with the Doctor. But when the Angel got Rory anyway she realized she screwed up and her fate was sealed. So she pretended she was once again “choosing” Rory but really knew she’d be sent back anyway whether she wanted or not. (This took me a long time to write so sorry it doesn’t flow well. Kept rearranging my thoughts and a lot didn’t get added that I initially meant to so it became a bit of a mess)

[@janetshade4659]

Little Amelia was raised by her Aunt after her parents disappearance.

[@HogW1ld385]

@@janetshade4659 ok I admit I forgot about that one line of dialogue. But it still begs the question of why her aunt wasn’t taken by the crack like her parents

[@charmzstar7972]

I think it implied her parents were taken at some point in her teens because in 'The Big Bang' they mention paying for therapy or something, suggesting they were present for that. Her Aunt is only mentioned in that episode as well, so I believe originally she never raised Amy, but instead Amy was old enough to support herself by the time her parents were gone, since she lives alone in the S5 opener. In terms of her surviving the crack as I understand it there's is always a point in time where the doctor remembers her, and therefore she can't be erased but idk@@HogW1ld385

[@elliottwatt5297]

What a bunch of nitpicks

[@normanbeaulieu4204]

It’s simple. The real reason why the doctor cannot go and visit the ponds. Is because Muffet wrote himself in a corner to make things more spectacular and permanent that he didn’t realize he was creating more potholes and Swiss cheese has normal holes. If they can’t go back to that year. Why can’t the doctor go back to the year before have a message delivered to them the next year to visit him the following year somewhere else? Stuff like this really kills me because it’s not that hard to write something permanent and not have it fall apart as soon as you question it like this did. and mess up their timeline. Excuse is shallow at best. All the doctor has to do is not have them back on the tardis and have them live their own lives. Let’s just call it what it is. It was messy and horrible writing. Maybe not in a dialogue point of view, but definitely in a storytelling point of view.

[@julieeverett7442]

or he could park his TARDIS somewhere else and travel down, he said he couldnt go to NEW YORK anymore but not elsewhere!

[@ginadunlap6630]

River could visit them because of the time manipulator, so he should have been able to as well, just not go to NYC at that particular time in the TARDIS

[@thekiss2083]

Yeah he could still have parked the TARDIS in Boston or something and taken the train into NYC for a visit. Even if he couldn't return the Ponds to their original time he could at least see them and give everyone a little closure without further altering the course of their lives

[@normanbeaulieu4204]

@@thekiss2083 right. Or like why could he do that and them all 3 take the train back to the TARDIS and then go back to there original time. So so so many loopholes

[@elliottwatt5297]

I don’t think you’re actually listening to what he said tho, it’s fixed that Amy and Rory are sent back in time to live out the remainder of their lives in New York and have a child. They already died and the Doctor can’t go back and change the life they already lived.

[@ameliapond1916]

Raggedy Man...goodbye

[@mattthesilent777RED]

I'm doing an alternate universe version of Doctor Who on my channel with all female incarnations (because sometimes when I try to reasonably complain about Whittaker's Doctor, I get called a sexist, basically I'm proving I'm NOT a sexist) and guess who's 11?

[@DrWhoFanJ]

Your complaints about Jodie Whittaker’s Doctor are not reasonable. This is because they are objectively false.

[@smoki397]

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[@smoki397]

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