Doctor Who - TOO WOKE TO ENJOY!

[@Velhammer888]

Bro did you use a AI voice gen for this??

[@AmateurSpecialist]

The AI VO adds an extra layer of uncanny valley to this video...

[@geoffreyvd]

No but you see a woman is talking so it's not just an angry guy!

[@AmateurSpecialist]

@@geoffreyvd 😆

[@jfilm7466]

Lost it for me when the writing went up it's own arse with Capaldi

[@spark9189]

my brother in christ, classic doctor who was literally written by socialists (with at least one being a member of the british communist party) Edit: edited for accuracy

[@spark9189]

@@Dalekzilla at least one of the writers (malcom hulke) was a member of the british communist party

[@spark9189]

@@Dalekzilla according to wikipedia he left the party in 51 and started writing for doctor who in the 60s, so you are correct, he was not part of the communist party when he was writing for doctor who. and just to clear up any confusion, this wasn't a criticism of doctor who, this was making fun of all the "DoCtOr WhO hAs GoNe WoKe" videos that i've seen cropping up since series 11.

[@edgyguy7084]

I dont see that RTD wants to alieanate that old viewerbase. The problem lies with the BBC and less with him. Otherwise he would have made these pushes far earlier, when it was not "in" to be "woke".

[@isaacmaskey468]

This is completely ridiculous 😮

[@andrewlaidlaw7975]

How So?

[@darkmyth30]

58 seconds is as far as I got. Best of luck to you. Next time talk about something you actually know about. I never watched or cared to watch this thing that I’m talking about. For fuck sakes

[@xxxthestuffxxx]

You got further than me

[@stuff31]

I enjoy Doctor Who

[@alucarD42013]

Doctor Who has always been woke, it was just not by the modern day authoritarian standards about social issues.

[@The_Mongoose]

"Woke" is a relatively recent concept. No-one used it before 1990.

[@rubeniscool]

@@The_Mongoose It's been a term that has been in use since the 1930's. The African American community has been using it that long, to mean being aware of discrimination and social injustices against them. Then by the 2010s it has come to mean the same but also includes social injustices in general.

[@alucarD42013]

@@rubeniscool Thank you

[@anhurtorrez]

I am glad I am not the only one who thought this.

[@deadman746]

Almost. Doctor Who was always woke until Chibnall. Now it's anti-woke posturing performatively as woke.

[@Hinoema01]

Oh no! A show no longer caters exclusively to what one narrow demographic sees as acceptable entertainment, so it is clearly a disaster and the end of the show!!! Yeah, welcome to the world of everyone else who was ignored by media since forever. Just because you have to share the pie doesn't mean you don't get any.

[@x-ca1iber]

dr who was never meant to be “extremely convincing”. i mean, this is the show that just recently retconned the word “gravity”. if you’re looking for something more “grounded” perhaps you should look somewhere else.

[@voltijuice8576]

Yeah, I enjoy when Who is more sci-fi, but it's always tended to be more science-fantasy even in the 60s. The social commentary and themes have never been subtle, either. I always laugh when I encounter someone lamenting that the show was previously more grounded, subtle, non-contradictory. "But now it's becoming like campy schlock for weirdos!" LOL

[@Ethan-Entah]

Like Russell T Davies wasn't "woke" in his 1st run? I agree that they way Russell wrote that 1st episode was very smack you across the face with the points, but you're reaching if you think that there is something in the physical portrayal of the bigeneration. They only had their arms to push against each other.

[@andrewlaidlaw7975]

I'm against how the new direction the latest Dr Who is going by shoving the whole LGBT thing in your face. People watch programmes like Dr Who due to get away from the day to day rubbish and not have the show taylored to various groups that may or may not be under represented in various other shows. Like the meep & Dona & Dauighter pro-noun male bashing scenes. If anything I suspect this is going to alienate the remaining fans of Dr Who that remember watching it in the 80's & from when it made its return with Christopher Ecilston as the Dr.

[@BambiTrout]

Did you actually watch the Eccleston series? Captain Jack was openly pansexual (described as "omnisexual" at the time) and pretty much his first scene has him flirting with a male soldier. In the same episode, The Doctor talks about "dancing" with a lot of people - male, female, human, and alien - with dancing being a very blatant allegory for sex in context. In The End of the World, Cassandra talked about HER childhood growing up as a little BOY, and then in New Earth swaps into two different male bodies. Going on to later episodes in Davies' first run, Sky Silvestri talks about her ex-wife in Midnight, Jack flirts with MANY more men AND women, Midshipman Frame from Voyage of the Damned is explicitly gay, and there are smatterings of gay subtext throughout various episodes. Going into Moffat's run, you had Madame Vastra and Jenny, you had Amy, River, and Clara all flirting with women on multiple occasions, and discussing romantic/sexual encounters that range from bicurious to explicitly gay (e.g. Clara with Jane Austen). You have the first explicitly gay companion in Bill, as well as the official introduction of gender-swapping regenerations, and essentially romantic interactions between The Doctor and Missy. The only difference this time around is that trans people are the culture war issue of the day, and the show is explicitly discussing trans people in the context of the current day using current language, rather than as a quick sci-fi aside. Now you're saying you watch Doctor Who to "get away from the day to day rubbish" - but 1) so are gay and trans people, and sci-fi is a perfect arena to construct a world where sexuality and gender are irrelevant, and 2) I am pretty sure that trans people aren't actually a part of your personal day to day. They might be in your news feed, but that's different to actually being part of your LIFE. Also, Doctor Who has ALWAYS explored current issues. The Long Game back in 2005 discussed the monopolisation of news media and the use of constantly streaming information to pacify the population and easily spread propaganda, while the follow up Bad Wolf did the same with reality TV and the monetisation of suffering. The Sontaran Stratagem in 2008 was about pollution and emissions tampering, and Planet of the Ood tackled the corporate whitewashing of modern slavery. There are plenty of other examples - these just happened to be some of the most explicit. Your issue isn't with the presence of the current day in Doctor Who - your issue is with the explicit presence of trans people.

[@purefoldnz3070]

first time watching Dr Who....or?

[@purefoldnz3070]

@@BambiTrout exactly, the show has been woke since 2005.

[@BambiTrout]

@@purefoldnz3070 The OP explicitly talked about the show alienating fans of the "return with Christopher Eccleston" That being said, even prior to that, the show was often considered "woke" for its time, despite some lapses. There was plenty of gay subtext, particularly with Jamie McCrimmon, Turlough, and Ace. Additionally, there was a conscious effort under certain showrunners to make sure women were presented fairly and as equals to men - which was fairly radical for the time. Sarah Jane as an investigative journalist in the 70s is an obvious example, but even Ian and Barbara were presented explicitly as equals with different fields of expertise, with Barbara taking the lead in historical episodes, while Ian led scientific episodes. Jon Pertwee and Tom Baker in particular pushed hard to stop the sexualisation of their companions, and used their voices to advocate for their equal treatment on set and on screen. Obviously, this wasn't always the case, and certain companions (Peri) were distinctly over sexualised and treated as little more than screaming damsels in distress wearing tight skimpy outfits "for the dads". The reality is that "wokeness" explicitly refers to an awareness of inequality and advocating for more equal treatment. Raging against "wokeness" is really just raging against equality, but by using a new buzzword, you get to present it as something newfangled and dangerous, rather than a simple continuation of ongoing civil rights movements. Trans people aren't really anything radical - just slightly different from the expected "norm". If the inclusion of a trans character, brief depiction of common transphobic abuse, a 30 second milquetoast conversation about pronouns, and a very mild jab about men not being able to let things go in a 60 minute episode is enough to alienate you from an entire series, then frankly you're just fragile.

[@purefoldnz3070]

@@BambiTrout you do know its the same showrunner right? You think he suddenly woke up and decided to be woke? pun intended. lmao.

[@mememostars9958]

When you say classic who is cheap looking do you mean dated or poor quality?

[@mrminkman952]

He means cheap, the show always had a low budget.

[@markpostgate2551]

​​@@mrminkman952 ...compared to? A lot of tv programmes are low budget but it doesn't show because they aren't very ambitious either. You think Eastenders isn't cheap? An episode of Blind Date? Or Open All Hours? The reason Doctor Who looks cheap is because of the gulf between what it can imagine and what it can afford to achieve. Most TV programmes of the era are both cheap and wouldn't cost much anyway. It doesn't cost much to make a sitcom with only three sets. It doesn't cost much to make a reality TV game show. Telling a story about space battles, alien lifeforms, with a different setting in space and time every four weeks is going to cost more than any British based production company in the 1970s is going to give you money for!

[@The_Mongoose]

@@markpostgate2551 Compared to every other show. It was thrown together on a shoestring.

[@markpostgate2551]

@@The_Mongoose Compared to Z-Cars? Compared to an episode of Crown Court or Crossroads?

[@luizeduardoortizduarte4380]

Oh no, now people are open about stuff, and open stuff scare me

[@Black-Knyght]

Seriously? Oh no, DW is woke! I don't like inclusion because it's woke and threatens my ego! Woke is wrong, even if I can't define or clarify what woke is!

[@Ericiswaiting]

This is probably the worst video I’ve ever watched horrible takes

[@kennethstephens5206]

Is this one of those bots trying to emulate the numerous videos documenting the downfall of doctor who?Technology is approaching the level of Joshua from war games.

[@davidnowhere2637]

Growing up as a kid it was great . I watched it from the 60's until the episode with Jodie Auckland Whittaker and the episode with the spiders , I fell asleep and said I would get back to it but I never did.She was so miscast it was not Doctor Who any more. It is not just that she was a women Missy as the Master was great.

[@bruhaps5252]

yeah its just bad writing

[@countvertigo5869]

Well if you're uncomfortable with that you should probably go see a doctor...proud boy.

[@pokemaniacmatt7148]

So many things I could respond to in your video. But to focus on one: First female Doctor - you say they should have explained the Doctor becoming female and written it in to the story (4:00 and 4:38) - They did, and have, multiple times: Time Lords can regenerate into males or females...that's the explanation, and that's all the explanation that is needed. It was seen previously in the Master becoming Missy and in "Hell Bent" (Season 9 Episode 12) when The General regenerated (back) into a female. 4:25 - "It was wrong that all those previous Doctors were male, and therefore that was clearly discrimination." Yes, it was actually just because of good old-fashioned sexism that Doctor Who cast men in the lead role and that women were not given the same leading opportunities for such a long time. That's exactly what happened. If the writers of the original DW could have had the Doctor regenerate into a women 50 years ago without the show being tanked by social expectations and cancelled by higher powers, they absolutely would have.

[@DoctorTimelord]

the show tanked because of the woke agenda pushing, not because of the sex of the doctor or their companions, its the forceful push of the message that is the issue, not the gender, its not even the trans they used that was the issue, again, it was the forceful pushing of the message no one wants to hears it, and no one would have cared if it was not highlighted and underlined and if you think all the previous doctors being male was intentional discrimination, your an idiot and your part of the problem, but i do partly agree with you about "so many things you could respond to about this video" this person obviously did not watch any of the new episodes before making this video and is basing it on second hand knowledge which is obvious

[@TheUluxian]

When everything is called "woke", nothing is... Not like most people that use the term as a pejorative can even define it, anyway....🙄

[@mayotango1317]

Sorry but the RTD era always wss more childish that Moffat.

[@rallan1953]

And then the woke companion, Millie, got sacked for being white and replaced by someone more diverse. LOL.

[@jfilm7466]

Why do all the modern companions apart from Amy have black boyfriends or girlfriends?

[@Gr1m_Gaz3]

Imagine being this ypset by doctor who 🤓

[@JamieMallender]

So, you don't like inclusivity? Interesting. Science Fiction has always been woke, long before the word even existed. Some people felt that some of the issues were a little too forced here and there in Dr Who recently but the intent is good. What do you find so distasteful about that? The acting is still great and most of the stories are good too. the gender, sexuality or race of the characters is irrelevant. Sounds like a you problem. Why you made the effort to make a video highlighting your own prejudices is the most interesting question to me.

[@the_mcgeeky]

"convincing" Sci fi is realistic? this is such bait i'm obsessed.

[@charliewaterworth8275]

All this stuff about DW being "woke" is so reactionary it's exhausting. I'm sure the mainstream audience love being lectured about what is woke and what isn't, as opposed to just watching the story. I'm sorry, the "anti woke" audience is disappearing like a twig in a flash flood. I wish you the best mate, I hope you can learn to just enjoy television.

[@The_Mongoose]

Reactionary, adjective: denotes disapproval of a reaction. Example: I wrote hamfisted messaging into someones escapism and they didn't like it, so reactionary.

[@real_gorilla6696]

For me, I watched the new stuff and it just didn’t feel like doctor who and I didn’t like it. To me it felt like a message and agenda was more important then the actual show writing and feel. There’s different ways to spread messages and awareness about these “woke” topics but doctor who feels like it’s kinda forcing the topics and I’ve stopped watching the show bc it’s hard to enjoy now. Just my perspective.

[@Kiwi_Col]

@@real_gorilla6696 I agree. It's so 'in your face' that it detracts me from the story.

[@deadman746]

You mean how people enjoyed _The Black and White Minstrels?_

[@DoctorTimelord]

a twig in a flash flood huh, no that would be the population of the woke who and the new fantacy woke show getting flushed down the toilet, the numbers dont lie

[@overtheoverseer]

Do you want some help writing your scripts?

[@Badname2011]

Bill was the first companion i did not like. and exactly for the reasons displayed in this video. I actually fully agree with this video. thats rare.

[@mayotango1317]

Because she is a geek?

[@somethinggood6285]

você é tão pequeno

[@voltijuice8576]

IMO sci-fi is a genre about _ideas,_ and ideas don't cost anything. So shows limit themselves if they only try what they can depict realistically. It;s conceptually AND stylistically limiting. And it drives me nuts when people describe the aesthetic of some media in terms of whether or not it is "convincing"! Special effects aren't trying to debate with you or persuade you of anything. It seems to me more like a lack of imagination with some viewers. Also I think constantly harping on about "agenda" is trying to make the creative process seem like some scary conspiracy. The notion that some creators make "pure entertainment" without bias is bogus. It's funny how some reactionary people are primed to see anything LGBT as "politics", when to me politics means, like, voting for offices and positions of state. Representation of more diverse population can be social, but that's different from politics. As for being afraid of getting called out for bigotry, what I think is rather telling is that wanna-be "critics" start complaining about these characters even in teasers and trailers, long before they see them in actual episodes. So yes, that's prejudice, literally pre-judging work that you can't have seen yet. Not everybody does, but many do. Like how you feature Jinx Monsoon _as a symbol_ for the show's decline, when it's not even known who their character is or in what story. People have done the same thing WRT Whittaker, Gatwa, and others - many flipping out when practically nothing is known about them. So, there's a disconnect between you demanding realism when it comes to the visuals of the show's effects, yet being hostile to realism concerning representation and the social landscape. Social commentary in sci-fi that fails to connect on some level with actual social issues, would fail to be real social commentary. And insistence that social commentary somehow not address anything deemed controversial again would be missing the point. RTD is (respectfully!) the same big gay nerd he has always been, and I expect that he will still manage to incorporate his ideas into compelling stories not unlike how he did in the 2000s. Again, the notion that he can't/won't craft good stories because he's still woke is prejudicial, as we haven't even seen his return season yet, only a few specials. There's also some weird feelings of entitlement in assuming that any big IP is or should be made "for the fans", because fans are always a minority compared to the general viewership. And that's besides unpacking the gatekeeping that follows in deciding who are "the Real Fans" and what our consensus wants are. Ironically, that would lead to the same kind of corporate lowest-common denominator focus-group formulaic product that fans complain about. As a creative person, it's good to be aware of what the masses liked/disliked about someething, but chasing yesterday's fandom would be pure folly. If there's something that really rubs me the wrong way, I try to have some perspective on how much of the story that element takes up. If it's a 50-min episode, and I found a minute or so to be cringe or stupid, that doesn't ruin the entire episode for me. I critique that bit and move on. That's part of why hostile reviews make me skeptical, because they make it sound like this one or two little details were all that happened. Not only are the critiques themselves often lacking, but they focus on that while losing all perspective of like the other 97% of the episode! That's just dysfunctional media literacy. If people want to be taken seriously as critics instead of "haters", "bigots", or "outrage merchants" then they need to do more than offer conspiracy theories or obsessing about one particular line, scene, or character while avoiding all of the larger themes and contexts that don't fit the narrative they are trying to create.

[@mayotango1317]

You know is the same show about fart aliens?

[@voltijuice8576]

@@mayotango1317 - That's what I was getting at! Doctor Who comes from a more schlocky lineage of sci-fi, so it seems weird if people only suddenly realize that it's more goofy than realistic. Sometimes it can be quite good. But the worst it can be is safe and boring.

[@Creadeyh]

I agree with you but buy a mic and drop the AI voice smh

[@dynogamergurl]

There were parts of the recent rennet dr who special that felt a bit forced and unnatural but otherwise it was fine. I have yet to watch the new doctor in action.

[@320dufferin]

I stopped watching Doctor Who right after David Tennant left, only because I didnt have time to watch it anymore, or most television shows for that matter because of work. I moved to a new apartment, cancelled my cable and had accumulated hundreds of dvd box sets and movies that i could watch at my own leisure. I continued buying Doctor Who seasons and it took 13 years for me to return to it. After watching the 3 specials this past November, I watched Matt Smiths Doctor and nearly 2 months later, im near the end of Jodys incarnation. I didn't dislike any of the subsequent Doctors, though some stories were better than others, but I am still a fan of the show and all the other classic shows of the past. Thanks to animation, missing serials are being seen for the first time in decades. I'm still very happy with Doctor Who and unless Ncuti's episodes are truly horrendous, I will continue watching .

[@howardwilson3466]

IDGAF what gender race or sexuality there is in a show, what matters to me is the acting, story, and effects.

[@mayotango1317]

And that was so better that the old RTD.

[@purefoldnz3070]

its been woke for the last twenty years my friend.

[@FuntimePhantom1983-lt6ns]

"Doctor who should be cancelled because it's representing todays society! " What, just what???

[@edgyguy7084]

Btw, its not representing todays society... The only thing it represents is the artistic industry and internet echochambers. Thats therefore not our society, only a part of the pie-chart. But yeah, I dont think it should be canceled for it.

[@jona826]

Blacks make up 4.2% of the UK population and Gays 1.5%., so Black Gays must be less than 1%. Yeah, the Doctor really represents today's society.

[@davids2427]

Valid points all I whole heartedly agree that the Current show runner just doesn't care about those original fans who helped make the show Must see TV as a result after Disney cuts the purse strings do to dwindling support from the real fans and apathy from every one else I expect the show will finally be put out of Our collective misery good video ⭐⭐⭐⭐⭐⭐

[@mayotango1317]

Sorry but the problem is that the people change, because this is the same chessy fun RTD as Series 1-4.

[@yeahwitda]

cope its always been woke

[@ysthafellgynghori8423]

Doctor Who is not and never has been aimed at bigots. Get over it.

[@ftumschk]

If you'd taken the trouble to objectively count the number of stories where Bill's sexuality is a "thing", you'd find that it crops up in 4 episodes, and in only 2 of those is it remotely relevant to the plot. In more than 10 hours of screen-time., that's nothing... unless you're pathologically triggered by gayness

[@alexandermacdougall7873]

Then dont watch it. If adding trans actors,black actors,and female Doctors bothers you that much...just stop watching. Just a bunch of whining from a bunch of whiners. Grow up

[@Gary-Seven-and-Isis-in-1968]

Don't worry, the new audience that RTD is pandering to doesn't exist in large enough numbers to keep the show alive. As soon as Disney realize this, they'll cancel it.

[@bruhaps5252]

its a childrens show...

[@Gary-Seven-and-Isis-in-1968]

@@bruhaps5252 It used to be a children's show.

[@infovalkyrie]

I like your video, but is the narration AI voice> or is this like some weird new cadence youtubers use? sounds AI generated. It makes listening really jarring tbh