Doctor Who: War Of The Sontarans Review (Ups & Downs)

Did Chibnall just save the Sontarans? Sontar…huh.
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[@joelamey91]

Without a doubt, my favourite part was Dan calling Karvanista "Scooby Doo" 😂😂😂😂😂

[@dawnbelleini8036]

Mine was "but most of all, I wanted to ride a horse"

[@ne3856]

Can't go wrong with a Scooby Doo reference

[@_-LK-_]

And when he got shaken with dog hair water 😆

[@Speedoodleman]

@@dawnbelleini8036 Lmfao, a literal being that loves death and NEEDS death to want to live.. *wanted to ride a horse*

[@triplejazzmusicisall1883]

I am the only person who didn't as I thought it was condescending and patronising to another race. I'm too serious maybe.

[@synaesmedia]

Come on, the bit where Karvanista shakes himself dry was a great joke. Definitely worth an up.

[@daviddobinson467]

Dan crouch running across Liverpool docks with his wok held aloft had me snorting with laughter😂😂😂

[@mepik15]

Yes that was awesome hahaha

[@danthemeegs8751]

As a Strax fanboy, it pains me that Dan Starkey's Sontaran was killed off.

[@rileymartin2202]

Well they are clones so he will be back still

[@robert_bbiii]

It is also an alternate timeline sort of. So once they set things right history may be set right.

[@bemasaberwyn55]

You think Jodi called him Strax in between takes/in bloopers?

[@IntimateRush]

I was hoping he’d be banished and the Dr sent him to Victorian London.

[@danthemeegs8751]

@@bemasaberwyn55 Not sure, I don’t think she’s as nerdy as we are xD

[@michaelramsey82]

The Doctor chewing out the Lieutenant General for destroying the Sontaran ships felt like a pretty big nod to the 2005 Christmas special, when the Doctor chews out Harriet Jones for a similar reason.

[@robert_bbiii]

I give an up to tunnel dude because he is the first person in time travel story history who acknowledges if someone ask you what year it is it must matter to them. Anyone else think the women in the temple are going to end up being connected to The Angels?

[@kieran7675]

I didn't clock that the first time but yeah, if someone asks you the year then something is seriously wrong

[@Antonioplus]

That's a huge shout on the Angels

[@KadeSmash]

I had half wondered if they're connected to the angels...

[@alanblott4559]

Re your comment about Swarm and Azure. Being a teenager in the late 60s and early 70s. From following Bolan and Bowie, I can categorically tell you. That you can never have to much glitter and shiny cloths. Loved this episode. Be well.

[@erictroxell715]

z

[@tshelby5212]

Clothes

[@alanblott4559]

Thanx. Rushing and not checking. Terminal dyslexia also plays a part. Thunks again. :-)

[@justinnyugen7015]

Loved the Sontaran speech about their uniforms being drenched with blood and their footsteps being softened by corpses. Such a memorable line

[@joshdobbs4421]

Know y'all aren't the biggest fans of the Chibnall era, but it is a blast watching you enjoying Flux! I too loved the horse joke, "human in the fight," and the wok just because they were fun, albeit a little goofy. I think though that that is what has been missing for a little while with Who, the fun, and it's great to see it back.

[@JessieGender1]

I too wish to ride a horse!

[@jamiemarshall6832]

I have been lucky enough to, albeit not in sontaran armour but still, my auntie looks after horses so I'm lucky, having said that last time I saw them, one of them wanted my finger when I was feeding them

[@justinnyugen7015]

I love how the music continued to be serious after that line

[@jamiemarshall6832]

@@justinnyugen7015 yeah I found that kinda amazing

[@yancylake2019]

Me, who is reading this as the video is playing: I don't understand this reference. * 12 min later * Me, finally reaches 1:56 :Give me a horse! * 5 hours later * Me, comes across the actual line at 8:19; Oh...OH, that's the reference... finally!🥳

[@matthewmcshane399]

The people in the temple are quantum locked like the weeping angels.

[@SplotchTheCatThing]

Yeah I thought that was a neat detail. Would be cool if it actually ended up becoming important.

[@rileymartin2202]

Yeah but in their way if you are In a proximity of an area they appear so they are still quantum locked but differently

[@MrsCJS1]

Only quantum locked to the two skull people.

[@MetalMercutio]

Maybe they’re the origin of the Weeping Angels. Could tie into the Weeping Angel episode later on.

[@darrenkeady6570]

That’s what I thought.

[@yusufgazi7]

The dog guy and Dan were like Han Solo and Chewbacca in the Force Awakens

[@stevenwebster4504]

Why not just say star wars?

[@yusufgazi7]

@@stevenwebster4504 Because grey hair

[@peterward2275]

You forgot to mention that destroying a race that was departing was also a throwback to the Pertwee era, when The Brig did pretty much the same thing.

[@dawnbelleini8036]

And with Harriet Jones and the sycorax

[@bemasaberwyn55]

@@dawnbelleini8036 THEY WERE LEAVING

[@tshelby5212]

@@bemasaberwyn55 yes fool and so were the sontarans

[@clymbr]

@@bemasaberwyn55 don't you think she looks tired?

[@justinnyugen7015]

Brig goes blam blam happy sometimes

[@Dylan-gp7yv]

Donna: But it's Sontaran shaped. You need 3 fingers Doctor: You've got 3 fingers Donna: Oh yeah

[@danthemeegs8751]

Definitely an intentional callback to that moment

[@unorthodoxbox]

The Sontarans kipping for 7 ½ minutes didn't really bother me much. As I saw it they were already cocky and overconfident even when the Doctor showed up. Underestimating the human race and the Doctor as I see it is what led to their undoing.

[@clymbr]

haha yeah i headcanonned that it could be put down to them being a bit thick but cocky is another great one

[@ItsMeHarry]

One little Easter Egg too is that the British commander was introduced as the "head of the light division" or something, which given the fate of the soldiers makes it fairly clear to actually be the light brigade and not just a parallel

[@SmartSmears]

it was nice seeing a Jamaican in doctor Who, and the accent was surprisingly not bad, I was hoping Chibnall would do her justice and he did.

[@lorrainesheridan496]

She was definitely one of the highlights

[@obibraxton2232]

Well the actress did her thang ! Chibnall can’t take all the credit 😂

[@theentity5201]

The sontarons do sorta have an imperial Japanese military vibe to them, not surrendering, humiliation in capture, killing those who fail etc. Like in WW2, never thought about it like that before

[@geoffroi-le-Hook]

and tempura

[@MichaelPhillipsatGreyOwlStudio]

This is the problem with the writing in this era, too cliché. If you write a cliché scene where Dan insists on going in alone, when it's obviously a bad decision, then you're forced to write a cliché scene in which he gets put before a firing squad and somehow survives against all probability. The bad writing in the first scene neccesitates the bad writing in the second. The scene that bothered me was the Crimean general blowing up all the Sontaran ships with powderkegs. How did he get the explosives in place without being noticed? How is it that mere powderkegs can blow up giant alien spaceships? If he could do that, why didn't he do it a long, long time ago? That would've been a down for me.

[@ChrisCreats]

The “tempura” offensive loved that lol

[@julianaylor4351]

I brought some batter last week. 😆

[@daemonartursson7159]

Best Jodie Doctor Who episode yet. It actually felt like she was the Doctor. Loved the Sontarans- wouldn't want to argue with them & General on a horse reminded me of seein Henry VIII's suit of armour. More please.

[@theflatcapchap5917]

Couldn’t agree more. Best Jodie episode.

[@docbrown2045]

If only series 11 was like this.

[@mjwchapman]

i haven't watched since season 11, but heard good things about this one. i really enjoyed it. will try the angels episode tonight

[@bradleycooper7698]

Can I just say John bishop is doing a great job so far!

[@PaulMichaels2010]

And after only two episodes, he's clearly the best companion since Donna Noble. Absolutely love his character. He's so natural. And his mother used to be Jackie Corkhill in Brookside.

[@aidensteacorner]

@@PaulMichaels2010 Agreed! Dan is soooo great!

[@bradleycooper7698]

@@PaulMichaels2010 I agree with you too! His scouse accent makes it a whole lot better though 😂

[@obibraxton2232]

@@PaulMichaels2010 Totally agree ! Even his mum and dad remind me of Donna’s mum and grandad

[@andrewmurray1550]

This is starting to feel like "Who" again. Three sub-plots are less confusing this time.

[@RaggedyDoctor11]

The Doctor stole my “SHUSH” trick! How dare she/me!

[@MrBerniemcgovern]

Your up and down videos are such a treat after seeing episodes. Such fantastic presentation and appreciative stuff. Big hearts!

[@danthemeegs8751]

TWO hearts!

[@welcometothetroyiverse8864]

I was okay with the 27 hour recoup. Remember they believed that their location was still unknown to the enemy. So it made sense to me why they continued with everyone going for a seven and a half minute break.

[@Jimothy10]

And they are cloned so who knows, maybe it has to be that way.

[@kieran7675]

It also kind of fits in with the whole "Sontarans are stupid"

[@welcometothetroyiverse8864]

@@kieran7675 lmao also a fact.

[@ImmortalAbsol]

I really wanted Strax to be contacted for strategic info. I like the idea both designs exist, like different generations of Sontaran.

[@GDOmegaT]

I have another down, even though overall I really liked this episode. The captive sontaran in the british hotel should've been dead due to being there more than he should've survived for due to the suit not recharging

[@thebadfairyprincess]

Glad it wasn't just me who noticed that.

[@gottalikemangos1758]

Did it specifically say how long he was there? Couldve been 24 hours. She said he healed himself over night but i cant remember if it implied he was there longer than that. I mean he did still have a bandage on his head like she did it a day before even though she knew he was fine. It is still a bit weird no one caught onto that in the writing

[@GDOmegaT]

@@gottalikemangos1758 it was enough time for her to notice the exact time they were supposed to recharge, so I assume more than 27 hours he was here

[@gottalikemangos1758]

@@GDOmegaT hmm well the only thing i could think of to explain it would be that she said “it starts to poison them” she didn’t necessarily say it will kill you in an hour if you miss the recharge. Might just slowly weaken them until they die. They mentioned nutrients and harmful fumes so i you might be able to withstand it for a day or two before you notice the real effects. Honestly though it was probably just an inconsistency

[@GDOmegaT]

@@gottalikemangos1758 still a down for me, I don't really like inconsistencies like that but it's a minor thing, overall I still liked it nonetheless

[@jupamoers]

The Sontaran's retreat was a nod to the Sycorax's retreat in "The Christmas Invasion", when Harriet Jones ordered Torchwood to fire on the ship

[@timothygeorge5806]

So there's a planet called *Time* and we're waiting for more details on the *Timeless Child* storyline. I'd keep an eye on that ;)

[@Gfreak250]

Not to mention the doctor, somehow doesn't know about the planet called time and the fact that swarm knows the doctor, but she doesn't know him.

[@TheAntiSanta]

But if the Child is Timeless, wouldn't they have nothing to do with a planet called Time?

[@paulschauer10]

@@TheAntiSanta maybe the planet is quantum locked away from time😯

[@MartialFitness656]

From my knowledge the unsupervised used to be different and very archaic especially time itself until the time-lords got in under control and tamed it and manage it, they are one of the oldest species and they help shape the universe but there are beings and species that existed before this and lived in the archaic time period. So my theory the big bads are beings/species from that time and doctor was also one of them (as in one of the archaic beings not necessarily the same species as them) and there were enemies, then insert the timeless child ark etc

[@rileymartin2202]

@@paulschauer10 or hidden like gallifrey was before

[@Sykboogie]

I love the looks and characterizations of both Azure and Swarm. This episode was excellent from start to finish. My favorite Chibnall ep thus far.

[@TheAntiSanta]

Love this episode. This season looking like it might be the best Who in years.

[@PaulMichaels2010]

I totally agree. Even though we're only getting six episodes this series, it's quality over quantity winning hands down. I'd rather have six great episodes than ten shite ones. Children of Earth was only 5 episodes, but OMG, it was Torchwood at its best.

[@7markhogan]

Think this is the best Dr who for a long while. Is it me or does Azure look like a Hell Raiser zenobite?

[@manticore5733]

It's Cenobite... and yes, I immediately associated Swarm with pinhead and Azure with 'female cenobite' (second film) - also seemed fitting with him having such sights to show the doctor.

[@tshelby5212]

Cenobite

[@tshelby5212]

@@manticore5733 the female cenobite was in the 1st one aswell

[@danthemeegs8751]

A less sensual Cenobite!

[@PaulMichaels2010]

@@manticore5733Me too. I actually started calling Azure "Crystalhead". Imagine his first words to the Doctor were: "The Police Box. You Opened it. We came!"

[@chunglebung8988]

Dan Starkey’s Sontaran also name dropped Linx from the Jon Pertwee story

[@untoldhistory89]

Alright theory time....Swarm and Azure are physical manifestations of Time and Space. I always thought if time was physically manifested it would be a cool villian as time destroys everything eventually. Because time is no longer contained the universe is falling a part without it.

[@doctormew9399]

*"Time is evil, and it will seek its own..."*

[@untoldhistory89]

@@doctormew9399 I forgot that line! That makes me more excited haha now I want to be right just so I can come back and comment "this aged well!" Hahaha maybe I'll copy and paste my comment to all the who culture ups and down videos just in case it is what's gonna happen..........😉

[@NarcoticCasseroleProductions]

Oh crap! What if they’re The Doctors real parents

[@Antonioplus]

@@NarcoticCasseroleProductions Not Daughter Who!!

[@untoldhistory89]

Well I was half right hahaha

[@jpwphoenix1701]

I think it should've been an Up for the Star Trek-style rank pins on the main Sontaran commanders. They've even added a bit of Sontaran design to them by giving them the same lattice design their landing/attack pods have on their ships. Also, I liked the continuation of the mystery behind why the TARDIS is breaking-up and malfunctioning. I know Swarm said something at the end about it being connected to what he's doing in the Temple but it's just amazing design work having all these weird crystalline struts, cables and goo sticking out all over the console room.

[@lotemylife3006]

One line I absolutely loved was when the Doctor said to the General "Sometimes men like you make me wonder why I bother with humanity", because that line kind of confirms Gwen's assumption in Miracle Day, that the Doctor isn't there to help them because "sometimes he must look at the earth and turn away in shame" (or smth along those lines) and I just love this tiny confirmation (even though it probably wasn't even planned)

[@Jasonm25870]

It's like the stage in Invasion of Time from 1978 when the Vardans get time looped and the Sontarans nip into Gallifrey while the Transduction Barriers are down. Linx also got a mention in this one too, the Sontaran from The Time Warrior.

[@NerdyandGirly90]

I knew I wasn't going mad when I saw the Vulcan salute being used!!!

[@impossibleego]

I feel that the cloister bell should be the sound for the downs! Haha

[@caedusxix1445]

Man said “Charge of the Light Brigade” the poetry flashbacks 😶‍🌫️

[@JacklfcLive]

That blue light is a good callback to clyde touching the doctor's tardis receiving a blue light (Artron Energy) on his hand plus the tardis appearing and reappearing also happened in The Wedding Of Sarah Jane Smith

[@tonyluzzi6502]

It's a nice thing that the previews for the next week show us that the Doctor and their companions survive the cliffhanger perils. DOWN

[@therealteardrop]

One big down from me, there were about a dozen Sontarans on the street when they spotted and started to chase Dan, but suddenly, his mum and dad save him by knocking out only 2 of them! Where did the rest go? you can see behind his mum and dad the street he came from. Also, just how long did Mary Secole stay in that spot to have observed the cycle of the Sontarans, we know she'd observed the 27 hour/7.5 minute cycle from the captured Sontaran, but to then realise that ALL of them went through the same cycle at precisely the same time, she must have been there at least a couple of days. (And yes, why not shifts)

[@danthemeegs8751]

The Sontarans disappearing on the street - glad I wasn't the only one who noticed. It bugged me like crazy!

[@manticore5733]

Yes, that scene did feel like someone wrote the first half and handed it over to someone else to finish it. Maybe there was a bit on the cutting room floor where two were ordered to capture him (hence the bad shooting) and that would have made the conclusion a lot more believable.

[@dawnbelleini8036]

For the second point, seeing them all go in all at a time, even just once, probably would have confirmed it

[@obiwankenobi687]

@@danthemeegs8751 they didn’t disappear. The sontarans were chasing him and then were ordered to cover all escape routes. So when Dan dashed down the alley way, two sontarans follow him and you can see the rest continuing to run down the street. To therefore go and block any escape routes. Funny you should mention that scene though because even though the mistake you think was a mistake wasn’t actually a mistake, there IS actually a mistake a couple of seconds after. When Dans mom says ‘where the hell have you been?’ You can see a cyclist go past in the background

[@gottalikemangos1758]

@@obiwankenobi687 lol thats funny ima have to go watch that again

[@joesemmens8286]

You missed the fact that the reason the Sontarans couldn’t hit Dan was because he had armour. Plot Armour

[@bookinit5610]

Mary Seacole was my house at school, love her so much

[@tom7546]

Why if you know history this woman is not a great character but a great con artist

[@thatjedifromgallifrey6663]

I wonder if the Temple of Atropos is related to the Ghost Monument. One thing I noticed is that the Temple has a similar vibe and aesthetic to the ruins on the planet Desolation, from the Ghost Monument. Not only that, but when the Morai sort of glitch out, they look like a silhouette made of old sheets that REALLY made me think back to the Remnants, the sheet creatures that were also from the Ghost Monument. I think Swarm actually refers to them as the "remnants of the Morai" or something along those lines. And in The Ghost Monument, the Remnants were able to see in the Doctor's mind and that's where we got our first mention of the Timeless Child. If these are the same Remnants of Morai we see here, it would make sense that beings so tied to time would have been able to look into parts of the Doctor's timeline that even she didn't recall. Lastly, if this is where time began, it would make sense if that's why the TARDIS ended up on Desolation in the first place after Twelve's regeneration set it off. Though I am doubtful they'd be connecting it THAT much, those were some things I noticed that got the ball rolling down this thought path of mine.

[@danthemeegs8751]

I hope not, I’ve blocked The Ghost Monument from my mind

[@thatjedifromgallifrey6663]

@@danthemeegs8751 I enjoyed the Ghost Monument but I agree it's a lower tier episode. This was just a connection I made but it probably won't happen.

[@Kels1701e]

I thought the was a great episode and I'm very much looking forward to next week's. The Cgi effects were good and this is definitely J.W.'s best story by far.

[@andrewmorton7482]

I knew Atropos rang a bell! The Moirai in Greek mythology were the Three Fates and therefore responsible for how things change over time. Atropos was the fate that decided death

[@TheWhovinerd-1963]

I loved this episode it was absolutely brilliant. This episode made the Sontarans feel threatening again, which I hadn’t felt since the Sontaran Stratagem/The poisoned Sky. The design of these Sontarans were perfect and they are now my favourite Sontaran design. I appreciated the reference to Classic who mentioning Commander Linx. The battle between the Sontaran and British soldiers was done perfectly, we ultimately new that the Sontarans would use them as target practice. I thought the Portrayal of Commander Skaak was perfect he had the perfect balance of Comedy and menace. My favourite line from him is “I accept your offer. Of a Massacre!”, so beautifully stated by a Sontaran and the shot of him on a horse was fantastic and I liked how they brought back the Sontaran Battle cry Sontar-Ha as I think it suits them perfectly and really sums them up as a species. I loved how skaak says to Jodie “I wanted to ride a horse” and her reaction was brilliant. Overall a fantastically entertaining episode and I rate it a 8/10 which is very good. I only had two problems I didn’t like about the episode, the first being the start and how we don’t really get a proper explanation of how they escaped. The second is I didn’t like how easily the Sontarans were defeated and wished we had more of a focus on them rather than Swarm and Azure (though I’m absolutely loving them as villains so I can’t complain too much). Xx

[@dogblessamerica]

Azure and Rush are like a bad trip after watching too many Swarovski adverts. Sinister as hell. Especially creeped out by how Azure has 'beautified' her face.

[@CobaltMagmaStudios]

Wow. I'm not a great fan of chibnall's who, and this episode just left me with a lot of questions and too many 'satisfied' endings. However, the best part of it was honestly the coming soon screen. I believe after the 'full force of time' is blasted through them, they're being put through important places in history, time, and maybe even the doctor's past. and obviously they'd come into contact with weeping angels, who would notice them as having almost unlimited time snacking potential.

[@theboxingarmadillo1610]

I like the 1977 Tom Baker story but this is the real Invasion of Time. This was incredible! Also, why were the Sontarans interrogating the doctor in Two Doctors (1985) about the secret of time travel if they could already do it here? Great review.

[@Zick-ThingS-Col]

Maybe the sontarans timeline is much like the daleks/mel/river song/clara.

[@DanBrizuela]

Loved this episode. One question from the first episode: up until then how has there never been an episode set or focusing on Halloween before? Up until Jodie’s first episode, I have never heard anyone say Halloween in either the classic or new run. You’d think Hinchcliffe, Seward, or even moffat would have something with that. Could be wrong, but can’t remember prior. All in all this season is great so far and thought chibnall and Whittaker have done a great job.

[@everydayjoe8163]

Coming from trek culture to see Sean has taken over who culture. Chefs kiss! Ups and downs favourite!

[@danthemeegs8751]

Sean is the List Lord!

[@thegiftofjerichoy2hhzr384]

We not gonna talk about how the Karvanista shot open a waste chute and threw Dan down there like Han Solo & Chewie in Star Wars?

[@cozmothemagician7243]

Yup, that scene where all those warriors are shooting and missing... I totally was all "Are these SONTARANS or frigging Storm Troopers?"

[@SuperYouFox]

One thing I kinda hope they hold back on slightly; the use of Karvanista. I like Karvanista. I was happy to see him again this week. But I do hope, if they are going to use him again that he is used sparingly. It's kinda like how some people have complained about the 13th Doctor's over reliance on the sonic screwdriver. I hope it's not going to be "Oh, Dan's in trouble! Better bring in Karvanista!" Show that the Liverpudlian can handle his own when needed.

[@geoffroi-le-Hook]

my first thought was Dan would be a character along the lines of Ian Chesterton or Harry Sullivan who is there to fight for the Doctor

[@danthemeegs8751]

I hope Karvanista isn’t always used as a deus ex machina, but I want to see LOADS more of him. Absolutely adore this character already

[@NarcoticCasseroleProductions]

Honestly really enjoyed this one (and your review btw) also big love to The Sontarans finally (since the time warrior) being threatening and as imposing. While I love Strax and the funny ones in past episodes. We have since forgotten that can actually be intimidating when presented correctly and this episode did it. Also Jodie was definitely on point in this one Yaz and Vinder made for an engaging pair And I was skeptical about Dan but wow he is a legitimately enjoyable character Also Swarm and Azure are seriously threatening Also more Karvanista please Sooo yeah kind of excited to continue going down this rabbit hole

[@johntauren]

"Take your hat off, mate!" "On second though, put it back on." Up. Not saying "Sontarans perverting the course of human history" Down.

[@seanokeefe75]

The first Up for this episode is to the Foundation t-shirt!!! Nice choice Seàn! Would love to see an up and downs for that show!!

[@alanrobinson-orr8748]

It was in _The Time Warrior_ that the Time Lords' planet was named for the first time as Gallifrey

[@mathieuleader8601]

Considering the Eternals fled the time war its obvious that the Moirai filled to succeed the job of the Eternal fate

[@ianharvey4406]

On the crimean war, I prefer the poem that starts "you take my life and I take yours too, you fire your musket and I'll run you through"

[@indubitably_elementary965]

Jodie continues to prove with a good story to work with she is a good Doctor. David Tennant couldn't have done better with the nonsense she was landed with last season. Hopefully both the story and her presence continue to grow in the coming weeks

[@julianaylor4351]

I loved the little pyramid thingies, so sweet. And Dan's wok joke after hitting a Sontaran. ❤️😁 Dan's parents mentioned that people had been disappearing, so that must be The Weeping Angels.

[@Starius65]

Watching Sean's comments here in 2022 is... Chilling.

[@fechorojo]

Anyone got a "weeping" vibe from this Mouri and a "Masterie" vibe from Swarm and his "friends"?

[@SplotchTheCatThing]

In that first Liverpool scene, I could buy that the Sontarans were better-trained to shoot an enemy army that's charging toward them than a single man running away... if not for that later scene where Dan and Karvanista are standing still in a confined room and the Sontarans still can't hit them.

[@lotharworks]

it was nice to see an episode where a guest character wasnt just 'generic black character' and thats all there was about them

[@cloudsparrow7729]

Frankie Boyle said that Boris Johnson reminded him of an officer in the British Empire days who would lead a cavalry charge into a volcano. I think we kind of saw that

[@danthemeegs8751]

LOVE Frankie Boyle! Mock the Week wasn’t the same after he left

[@Enzo012]

That thumbnail picture there. The Doctor is like 'Yaz, now is not the time to go all Hindu? I respect your faith and ancient culture don't get me wrong but there's a Skeletor man trying to kill us?'

[@Wigion]

you know when dan opens the door to get in THE WOK DISSAPEARS

[@marcellawong229]

He had it in his jacket zipped up.

[@cillianennis9921]

I am so glad on my birthday in June I asked for the box set of all classic who sontaran story's

[@Macapta]

So the general managed to set up all those explosives and set the fuse whilst also emptying the Sontarans supplies…in under 6 and a half minutes. And also how did the wounded Sontaran survive if he couldn’t refill his suit? He was chained up and couldn’t get back to the ship, Mary had records of his sleeping schedule so he was absolutely there long enough that he needed to refill his tank.

[@JediNerd818]

That was the one they followed back to the hiding place. He was executed

[@Macapta]

@@JediNerd818 Sure, but how did he survive long enough without refilling his suit to be tracked back to the ship and get executed?

[@gestaltdude]

Two of these, one up and one down, mirrored my thoughts exactly. First, the down for the stormtrooper Sontarans, the other for the Japanese food joke. As for the appearance of Swarm, I've constantly reminded of the description of a character in of the of the Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy books, I think So Long and Thanks for All the Fish. “If you took a couple of David Bowies and stuck one of the David Bowies on the top of the other David Bowie, then attached another David Bowie to the end of each of the arms of the upper of the first two David Bowies and wrapped the whole business up in a dirty beach robe you would then have something which didn't exactly look like John Watson, but which those who knew him would find hauntingly familiar." That is what I think every time I see Swarm. I miss Douglas Adams....and Terry Pratchett.

[@kickdumbos]

I feel like Dan made an intentional apprentice reference. "You two get back to the house"

[@yourfriendlyneighborhoodju3406]

Those floating pyramids remind me of 343 Guilty Spark from Halo

[@ichabodnoodle9595]

So you loved the new (old) Sontaran design, you loved the CGI of the Sontaran ships, you loved Dan Starkey’s return as a Sontaran, you loved the name drop of Lynx from the Time Warrior - and the only Up you gave for anything Sontaran was for the “I wanted to ride a horse” line? hmmmmm, ok.

[@davidbradley6040]

The Light Brigade did capture the guns(their mission) although they were the wrong guns.

[@peterward2275]

Swarm and Azure are so terrifying because of what they COULD do as soon as they touch anyone. You do fear for the lives of the heroes.

[@keit99]

Did chibnall take a "How to write proper doctor who" course. Because it certainly feels like he did.

[@andrewarchvale35]

In my opinion abit silly having a high risk cliffhanger and then revealing yaz in the sneak peak for the next episode (I know she Will probably be there all series but still wanna have that suspense of if she will live)

[@beelzzebub]

This episode was ok. Just ok. Although for a Chibnal era episode, “ok” is very high praise. I just hope we get some great pay offs with all of these crazy plot lines going on at the minute. I also hope they find a way to get rid of that timeless child shit. It pissed over the Doctor Who legacy… 🤦‍♂️

[@detectivesquirrel2621]

Atropos in Greek myth was one of the 3 fates means Unalterable or Inflexible.

[@samshaw3657]

genuinley, great presenting. love these videos

[@alunrundle162]

Something just occured to me. That house the Doctor saw doesn't half look like John Constantine's "House of mystery" from DC comics and animated films!

[@rhodrage]

That guy with the crystal head people looks like Darkside.

[@raybearoz]

Okay... maybe one of the references you may have missed... the floaty flame guardian thinggies.... It may just be me, but the voice acting is identical to the Megara Justice Machines from the Stones of Blood (1978)?? That appears to be an awesome callback.

[@0xTJ]

As soon as I saw the stormtrooper shooting, I knew it would be a down.

[@UltraPokeZ]

I don't think they ever showed throughout the entire series, the Tardis closed itself off from anyone entering.

[@KellenWolfe]

Watching the TARDIS in this episode (and the first to a bit of a lesser degree) with the understanding that it knows it's being infected and trying to keep warning the Doctor and keeping her out while it's basically dying is really chilling and compelling.

[@hydraken4436]

It has in the past. When the 11th Doctor regenerated and came back 12 years later, the TARDIS locked him out because it would've been dangerous for The Doctor to reenter, and since the TARDIS was in a lot of pain and could possibly put her pilot at risk, it stopped her from entering this time

[@danthemeegs8751]

The TARDIS locks itself in The Doctor’s Wife, although it is being manipulated by House there

[@wyghtonblue]

Doesn't Swarm say the Mouri are quantum locked? Are they related to the weeping angels as they stand still?

[@christianstanding]

Okay, I don't know why, but something is telling me that Yaz and Vinder will end up turning into Swarm and Azure by the end of the series. I think it's too obvious that the planet Time is the Doctors home planet, which means it probably will be, but we will need to wait and see. And I need more of Dan's parents.

[@orangut4ng]

azure is swarm's sister though

[@christianstanding]

@@orangut4ng True, but if Yaz and Vinder have had their memory wiped of being Azure and Swarm, they may not remember this yet.

[@josephcooter5763]

To some degree, I wonder if the General was in anyway related to Harriet Jones from Flydell NOrth.

[@geoffroi-le-Hook]

we know who she is

[@josephcooter5763]

@@geoffroi-le-Hook But do we know who He is>

[@aaron2k026]

I think this is my favourite episode from Jodie so far. It was the first episode where I actually felt like I was watching Doctor Who, without loads of stupid political messages and cringy acting. It was fun, exciting, action-packed, and the ending was a surprise. I think the weird house at the start is the Village of Angels and it will be the location of that episode

[@djpookie2000]

I echo your feedback. I never got bored. In fact, I was glued to the TV. One of the best stories so far.

[@marcdigiambattista751]

There was quite a bit of political messaging, about the horror of war, arrogance of British military officers of the era (reminding me of real life stories from Crimea, later Gallipoli and the France in WWI) and gender roles in early modern medicine. It was just so well done, mostly show rather than tell, that you didn't notice it and it didn't feel forced. This is how science fiction should do politics, by showing a situation in context and letting you think about it without telling you how to think.

[@aaron2k026]

@@marcdigiambattista751 ok yeah fair enough😅 but they do it much better here like you said, but hinting at it rather than rubbing it in our faces or giving us a trump based character

[@marcdigiambattista751]

@@aaron2k026 The Trump character was terribly cheesy and on the nose, and I don't even like Trump. If you want to critique a real life politician in a science fiction context, I think it is much better to create a story around their ideas and show the flaws in their ideas rather than creating a cardboard cut out character and throwing shtick at them. That's how you make people think about and question their beliefs.

[@TheSKYeagle]

Definitely one of the best Jodie episodes! It does give me hope for this season of who

[@peterward2275]

Clearly making clones soldiers is not a good idea. Imperial Stormtroopers: Clones. Sontarans: Clones. Both terrible shots when not on a crowded battlefield and at close range to their targets.

[@yourfriendlyneighborhoodju3406]

Most stormtroopers weren't clones. They were normal people

[@triplejazzmusicisall1883]

Yes although I loved this episode the part when in a very confined alleyway the sontarans can't shoot an easy target. The Doctor with a slingshot can hit can hit the probic vent of a sontaran metres away, but 3 or 4 sontarans, as said, couldn't hit the side of a barn. I also always thought the probic vent had to be actually struck within its structure so now a wok/frying pan does the job just by bashing the outside of the probic vent.? The other silly bit (7:46 in this video) was when the Sontaran Commander stands metres away from the Doctor on the battle ground and instead of shooting their ultimate villain decides to have a chat with her. They exchange banter from probably a minute or more and he doesn't think to shoot her????? I would have given an up though for the sontaran new design which is a huge improvement in design. They have got their menace back. This episode had a vital ingredient that has been missing for ages in Chibnall's era. It had fun. Fun! Yay!

[@eddiepennington345]

If Dan didn't go in alone would the Doctor really have chosen him as a companion?!!

[@clymbr]

So many great goofy jokes in this episode! This is Doctor Who as it should be: high stakes, some grim moments, but not taking itself too seriously!

[@PaulMichaels2010]

Yes, it was great. Equilibrium restored. I just hope the quality stays this good.