Doctor Who - What to do with the Daleks

[@WingyMedia]

I think we need a redesign, I'm sick of the bronze ones now. I also think that you need to make the Doctor seem scared of them like they did with Eccleston

[@tardiskeeper6]

Wingy Media maybe the paradigm but less colourful and less odd-looking 'eye'.

[@Ben-vf5gk]

The problem with the Paradigm is that they changed too much. If you compare all the versions of the daleks up to them not much has changed other than the colour scheme. I'd definitely like a redesign thought.

[@enigmatickendo]

What we really need is a Wingy/Council of Geeks collab... I mean what?

[@ValpasKankaristo]

I'll forever be annoyed at them for sweeping that design under the rug and just cowardly going back to what was before.

[@augustoconnell8049]

Fancy seeing you here... Completely accurate statement, incidentally.

[@UltimateKyuubiFox]

What I would do? Make a Dalek cameo in the Series 11 finale where we see them kill a major character, unbeknownst to the TARDIS team. Right off the bat, the audience knows the Daleks are back, they’re not playing around, and we have no idea what they’re up to or why they’re here. Series 12, they’re popping up in random locations every couple of episodes, taking over parts of civilizations. Why aren’t they trying to exterminate everything in these different locals? Series 13, which I would assume to be Jodie’s final series if the pattern stays consistent with the NewWho Doctors, we finally end on a big revelation of what the Daleks have been up to this entire time and the Doctor has to try and defeat them while dealing with a crisis of conscience. If you’re not gonna make the Daleks integral to the arc of your individual series, then you can at the very least include them in a way that builds up to a great finale down the line where it all comes together. It’s the best of both worlds. Davies’ Daleks got defeated every season which lessened their impact, Moffat’s Daleks felt like they were included due to contractual obligation, whereas this gets you the scarcity of appearances which enables you to focus on character-building, while maintaining genuine intimidation and suspense.

[@WooogaTooga]

UltimateKyuubiFox . Now that's an idea I can get on board with!

[@UnchainedEruption]

Okay, I like your idea, but replace Daleks with a different alien that we haven’t seen before. Something like the Silents, what Moffat tried to do, but actually explained well in the end.

[@Flutterbutt225]

This episode is about the Daleks so the idea is about the Daleks. Personally I wouldn't care if we never saw the Silence or the Weeping Angels again.

[@UnchainedEruption]

That's not the point I was making at all. I said something *like the Silents,* in that the Silents were something new that Moffat invented, and I would like to see Chibnall also to invent something new of his own. I didn't say bring back the Silents.

[@oween_mash]

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[@Ben-vf5gk]

Here's a pitch for a story: Set it in a Dalek Prison Camp. They've been mentioned a couple of times in recent series (Asylum of the Daleks, Death in Heaven) and there's source material that a writer can pull from (Prisoner of the Daleks). It could be a really dark, grim story, with lots of human deaths (something that hasn't been seen as much from Daleks since the Davies era). It would bring about the Nazi vibe that made them so scary in the 60s. I think that would make for a really strong two-parter, maybe even a finale. What do you think?

[@CouncilofGeeks]

That... is a pretty good idea. I'd go a step further and make it a Doctor-lite episode like Blink. And to really twist the knife... the Doctor isn't able to save whoever our main POV character of the story is.

[@Ben-vf5gk]

Oooh that's cruel! I love it!

[@samuelbarber4154]

Ooh, so we could have it on Earth in the future, and Doctor was here and has left recorded messages for the inmates that the Daleks have been trying to find but the inmates get. So they could follow what the Doctor tells them and in the end, perhaps where all hope could seem lost, the TARDIS could suddenly materialise and save the main character of the episode after his friends have been killed by the Daleks, then the inmate could tell him what he said on the tape and he could leave the tapes there, somewhat similar to Blink.

[@charleslee8313]

The "power struggle" idea is pretty good.

[@samuelbarber4154]

What I'm sick of in Sci-Fi, is the simplification of an entire alien race to being one group, so all the Daleks are united against the Doctor, there are no different factions, no they're all together. Which is kind of dumb considering humans have wars against one another.

[@flyingsheep567]

They had the red paradigm daleks in the alyssum of the daleks

[@Bagofnowt]

I'm from the future, your wish it seems has been granted. Wow, I really do think Chris Chibnall watched this video

[@Goliath10]

I absolutely love this idea!

[@jtbrad]

They can have a story where the Doctor and companions land on a planet that has been completely devastated and all life wiped out. They can find several planets like that and later discover that it's the Daleks doing it. This would show how destructive they are but the time travel aspect of the series could present a problem. It could all be undermined by the Doctor going back in time and preventing it, though the emotional weight would still be there for the Doctor, the companions, and the audience.

[@ItsTheRealMusicMan]

Your ability to explain your thoughts on the show are amazing. I love hearing your perspective on the Whoniverse. I think you have a really great sense of what makes Doctor Who great.

[@adamdawson3339]

Victory of the darleks was great except the darlek design and the doctor. At that point we just didn't know 11 enough to pull this off but the plot is amazing on rewatch. That manipulative side of them is used just the right amount and the nod to power of the darleks was great

[@meris8486]

Here's an idea Have the usual "Doctor must save people from cataclysm" story that is announced as a self-contained story. At the end when everyone is celebrating and happy to escape x disaster, the Daleks show up gun and down everyone (maybe a companion or two) with the doctor only just managing to get into his Tardis. Roll credits. The next story is a furious Doctor getting revenge.

[@creepytiki5342]

Personally I think the Daleks need to come across as more threatening. I think if the Daleks killed a companion, it would make them scarier as they barely kill anyone in Moffatts era. Into the Dalek is probably the only time in Moffatts era a Dalek goes on a killing spree, and you can barely count that as a killing spree.

[@tardisnet9487]

I really don't think the problem has been that there hasn't been focus on the Daleks has been the problem. The issue has been that they've been poorly handled. Contraversily I loved Victory of the Daleks but then Asylum of the Daleks made the Daleks lose any memory of the Doctor and in the Magicians apprentice/the Witches familiar Missy talks how the machine blocks out negative emotions which implies that the Dalek itself is not evil. They've mishandled the Daleks to the point where they are not a threat and Chris Chibnall needs to fix it.

[@danielsleeper2307]

You were right on the money with a 'Dalek' style story.

[@SirMeowsAlot89]

Great video! Like always! 👍

[@federicaesu8580]

I love Daleks . I want to see them back.

[@MythicalSkull13]

What would really be bold if Chibnall fully embraces the Daleks, makes many episodes only about them, give them a proper 3 series arc (more so than the Tennant era) and then kill them off for good in a huge 3rd series finale. I love them as an iconic enemy but they still just feel like an enemy that is just 'there'. Davies actually gave them meaning with the Time War but then Moffatt managed to write that off in a single episode. It's a new era of Doctor Who, 13 years later it seems about time it creates its own long running iconic villian

[@MythicalSkull13]

They could make it huge, do what others have suggested like showing Dalek prison camps with dark fascist undertones, also show Skaaro but do it properly, bring back Davros, all models of Daleks, show their hierarchy, make the Doctor angry and anyone else scared. I want the writers to throw everything they've got at this because with the rich 50 year backstory the Daleks have, this could be one of the best moments not just in Doctor Who history but TV history if done right. They could even revert to the old structure of Doctor who and dedicate 4-6 episodes to this (which would feel appropriate given how many times they were in old who) and at the end of it have the Daleks be gone for good because the one thing the Daleks really need is for their inevitable defeat to mean something

[@williamsmith169]

Honestly, I'd like to see the Daleks and Cybermen merge. For example: A delek is forced to inhabit (murder and steal) a cyberman body. In the process he reallizes that he is much more in control of his emotions, and in the end goes out to force the same merger on members of both species. Whether this is a good thing or a bad thing is left up in the air, and can be explored in both directions in following episodes. Maybe 2 enemies make a friend?

[@williamsmith169]

Think "Enemy Mine", but with a Dalek and a Cyberman.

[@MydieLy]

You're right, there wasn't an actual 'storyline' with the Daleks for a while, but for some reason, the little hints thrown here and there have stayed with me more profoundly than I would have thought. Especially that scene when Clara was inside a Dalek casing in Witch's Familiar... I mean, it showed that whatever is said inside is translated into the typical Dalek Phrases... it made me stop and wonder... what DOES really go on inside, are THEY made of hate, or do they appear hateful and without compassion, because the speech programming overrides what they really want to say? That is something worth exploring, I should think

[@BlackDelegation]

Dalek's should do a reverse heel turn! DALEK'S ARE HERE TO HELP! HOW CAN DALEKS ASSIST YOU?

[@Seussenshmirtz]

Reintroduce them in a very small and weak capacity first then only bring them up in subtle cameos and mentions, maybe flashbacks for a few seasons. Then bring them back at full force.

[@blackphoenix77]

I'd like them to see the Daleks go up against the Thals again. Maybe the Thals could steal some of the Daleks time technology and start attacking them across time. The Doctor would have to get involved to prevent another Time War. This wouldn't be something that would be resolved in one episode; it would be an ongoing subplot.

[@owenwildish331]

what if a new Dalek fraction appears based on the old renegades, led by the original Black Dalek, they appear to be good, willing to actually aid (manipulate) the Doctor... then reveal that they're far more dangerous and much more evil than before, simply by being smarter and less driven by hate and more about conquest for the 'betterment of the universe

[@tomkenning5482]

My favourite Dalek story is the Stolen Earth/Journey's end. It shows their menace, the doctor nearly loses against them, and it shows them as space Nazis which is what they are. The main moment is when Sarah Jane hears the Dalek voice and immediately assumes her and her son are going to die, it really shows how scary they can be

[@Mgooy]

The last time the stakes felt real for me with the Daleks was the series 1 finale, also liked the idea of them growing like a parasite for thousands and years and changing the course of human history

[@pedroxqui]

Maybe something like a big old earth invasion... the doctor comes and wins again, only to find out it was a distraction and the daleks took over the universe while he was focusing only on the humans... maybe even keep the universe in hands of the daleks for a few episodes... and end it with something rather random... like martha and mickey sacrificing themselves to defeat the daleks... or maybe the oods, a universal self genocide to psychly destroy the daleks mind... in the end, the daleks lose... but so does the doctor.

[@DPS31762]

I was trying to remember in which Series 10 episode they appeared, and finally realized that it was in The Pilot. Just a cameo, but if they have to be in every series in some way, I'd rather they be just used in a cameo than be the main villain in a story that isn't really about them, one that, as you said, could have had any other villain in it instead.

[@thetwelfthdoctor9892]

after 20 years of watching Doctor Who, I think there is only one thing that would make me scared of the Dalek: Davros standing up and walk without his chair. Imagine: a new Dalek paradigm is created, the Dalek hunts the Doctor and bring him on their ship and, in the last 2 minute of the episode, the Doctor is brought to Davros: the Kaled stand up, apparently healed from all his injuries, but he still have is metal eye. He look the Doctor in his eyes and laugh: " When we fought in the past, you had a body to fight alongside your mind; now, I can do the same. Now my Daleks will trascends their armors and evolve! Welcome to my Heaven, Doctor, Welcome to the Dalek's Heaven!".

[@tyrannicswinen117]

I actually liked the Paradigm Daleks, despite the variety of colours which shouldn't be much of an excuse for hate against them if you watched the Peter Cushing Dalek Movies and they were colourful as hell. The Paradigm daleks had this menacing feel about them and I wanted to see what each one of them could do. Kinda sucks they slowly disappeared into the background.

[@paulking9476]

The Daleks have been and always will be my favourite Doctor Who villain I think we need to start treating them like we did in the 60s when they were really scary give them some intelligence and just treat them like Nazis

[@duncanallan8154]

I say bring in the Dalek Time Controller from the book, “The Dalek Generation” (which I highly recommend) who is a special Dalek above the supreme itself, who can see through time to help the Daleks make decisions. I would love to see him appear many times throughout Jodie’s run, becoming her nemesis almost, and countering her in knowledge and character. Almost as if the master was a Dalek. Then, at the end of her third season, finally reveal the big plan to set the stage for the finale.

[@2hellson]

I feel like a similar problem exists with the Cybermen. With the exception of Nightmare in Silver we haven't had a big Cyberman story. In the finales to series 8 and 10 they were merely a tool for the Master/Missy. Also flying Cybermen needs to never happen again (don't get me wrong I love the series 10 finale but having Cybermen crawling up lift shafts would have been so much cooler than flying through the ceiling).

[@CouncilofGeeks]

The thing is I don’t actually think the Cybermen work as well in “big” stories. For my way of thinking World Enough and Time showed their real strength is of the slow unnerving creeping horror variety.

[@superraegun2649]

Dalek civil war sounds like a great idea, which also touches on the question of “what would their purpose be if they did wipe out everything except themselves. There would be nothing for them to do.

[@cinnamonbarnes9058]

I love the idea of a dalek civil war we could get updated special weapons daleks it would be so cool and fun to see that! ( may have a slight bias because remembrance of the daleks is my favourite episode)

[@dalekbumps]

Absolutely agree. I struggle to decide who is my preferred showrunner out of Moffat and Davies, simply because I feel like they each succeeds where the other fails, creating a kind of 'Yin-Yang' relationship between the two eras of NuWho. For example, Moffat certainly had a lot more classic references than Davies did, but then again Davies actually brought back a classic companion (Sarah Jane), showing their radically different approaches to what is essentially the same idea. I'm hoping that Chibnall takes the show in a totally new direction but maintains best aspects of both eras of NuWho, even if it means foregoing the links to the classic series that we've enjoyed under more recent Moffat stories. One thing he absolutely has to get right is the Daleks if he wants to win approval, because the one thing I hated more than anything about Moffat's era was his handling of them - he either should have put the Daleks on ice or used them as major villains, but what we got was a series of weak cameos (Wedding of River Song, Pandorica Opens) and shallow appearances (Asylum, Magician's Apprentice) that often contradicted their lore and devalued them as villains. Davies at least tried to make them the 'main threat', but in Moffat's era its like they were always there but never really a problem for the Doctor after Victory. The one Dalek cameo I did really like was in S10E1, 'The Pilot', because it showed the Daleks kicking the glitter dreadlocks out of the Movellans, something that builds them up as a threat and leaves the door wide open for Chibnall to come in and give the Daleks a much-needed overhaul.

[@saskruffriders8234]

Daleks are simply props now. they can be beaten so easily, they never seem to do any permanent damage to the doctor or his / her companions and the fact that they HAVE to be stuck in each season is ridiculous. How valuable were they in "the pilot"?

[@WhovianOrWhatever]

That's actually kinda brilliant that idea, a war between Dalek factions. Like you say, it puts outside of Doctor vs Daleks, so it doesn't follow Doctor wins formula but doesn't have the implications of the Doctor losing either. But still has drama and stakes.

[@davidbjacobs3598]

Dalek Civil War sounds pretty epic actually. I don't know if you're a good writer or not, but this certainly is not the first time I've heard you offer good ideas.

[@greghawkins59]

Dalek civil war would be amazing, like what if the doctor actually fought alongside one side of daleks

[@SongoftheLute]

We are well overdue for a story where the darleks make you hide behind the sofa again.

[@TEGCQuantum]

Hmmm perhaps have something like fires of pompey where the doctor is not able to save everyone. So it would basically be a defeat for the doctor, without having the doctor killed. Would really make them much more fearsome

[@WolfHub]

I think into the dalek is quite underrated.

[@Fitzroyfallz]

Stubby Lad i agree! One of my favourite dalek stories. It gives an interesting new perspective of them, as opposed to the repetitive "fleet of daleks want to take over/destroy the world" story we've seen a thousand times.

[@TheCrippledEgg]

It's quite decent. I really like the concept.

[@Aioria0171]

A shoddy version of The Invisible Enemy and Dalek, but it's entertaining. At least is not the worst thing about Series 8.

[@lasercatsproductions]

I also really like it but I do see why people dislike it. Its interesting but its not a good Dalek story

[@nigelmurphy6761]

deffinately. I thought it was a pretty good ep!

[@TheValeyard92]

Honestly, the civil war idea is what they ought to have done one or two stories after Victory. It was the perfect opportunity to do it.

[@augustoconnell8049]

Can we have one of these "What to do with"s for the Master? The fandom seems to be fractured on what can be done with the Master at this point. You've got people saying that they need to continue with the anti-hero angle they started with Missy, people saying that a new, villainous incarnation should be inserted _between_ Simm and Gomez, people saying that they'll just reset the character development Missy had "because regeneration." There's a lot of confusion. Obviously, unlike the Daleks, the Master can be shelved as well.

[@theoutcastboi]

I think the Master needs to be reset, but I think there are better ways to do it then by having the Master simply regenerate. Perhaps Missy escapes the colony ship and tries/does good, but gets captured by a ruthless race for their past crimes and is tortured and was forced to Regenerate due to their injuries. This could give the Master a compelling reason to be evil, they hate everyone because of what they did to him/her and hates the Doctor because she/he didn't come to save them.

[@TheCrippledEgg]

I'd say keep the Master out of Whittaker's run entirely. There's two ways they can bring back the Master. 1) Make the Master conflicted about his/her morality in her new persona. 2) Use one of the pre-Delgado incarnations we haven't seen.

[@theoutcastboi]

I kinda agree, I'd not use the Master until Series 15.

[@DalekchrisProductions]

The Master needs 2-3 years off. Otherwise, their finale in Doctor Falls would loose impact.

[@augustoconnell8049]

Super Skully The Pre-Delgado thing is my response to people that say we should insert another incarnation between Simm and Gomez; we don't need to, we already have 11 blank slates (though I am fond of James Dreyfus' incarnation on the audios)

[@mossadon]

Did you read my post somewhere last year about Daleks and two factions in a Civil War ?!!!! Heh heh. You made pretty much all the points i did ! i think it IS pretty much the only INTERESTING way that Daleks can be made to feel threatening and scary again. Not them trying to exterminate everyone but two factions laying waste to places in skirmishes against each other. Two old factions who weren't a part of the now very tired Time War but who are searching for Time travel technology after one learns about it and the other doesn't and has a NEW plan. Two clashing ideologies. Everyone else is caught in the middle.

[@nicnaknoc]

I so OK with NEVER EVER seeing a Darlek again

[@luciusblackwood2640]

I think you are right. I want to see a story showing how badass they truly are. We need to see some massive destruction and pair it down to the human level.

[@seanferguson5460]

An all-out Dalek civil war with huge collateral damage. I like the way you think. I don't see the Doctor brokering peace because a unified Dalek would be a focused threat but how cool would it be to put the doctor in a position where she would have to choose one side over the other. On the other hand, there is a precedent for perpetuating a war. I'm a bit foggy on the episode but there was a humanoid robot species (can you call artificial life a species) at war with the Daleks that the fourth Doctor tried to balance off each other. Don't remember ever seeing that race again. Suppose they were exterminated.

[@ScorpiousDelectus]

I like the idea of a dalek civil war but imagine the doctor's companion forcing the doctor to pick a side in the conflict. Imagine the doctor getting conflicted because she starts to get to know one...

[@thebasementfilmgroup]

One thing to say - 'Dalek Storm'.... if u dont know who/what he is...just google it. THAT is how to do a new take on the Daleks!

[@nathanyou1899]

I'm up for dalek civil war if it means we get to see that white and gold colour sceam again

[@musicgarryj]

Your idea for a Dalek civil war is a good one. I don't think it's feasible to bring back the Davros white/gold Imperial daleks.... but there is an obvious way to go with this idea. Instead of the paradigm daleks just staying embarrassingly brushed under the carpet... why not have them at war with the bronze daleks? After all, in Victory of the Daleks they clearly regarded themselves as superior, true and pure...that is why they disintegrated the three bronze/WW2 daleks! The civil war could be stretched over a couple of seasons, or maybe just a single two-part story.... but the outcome would be that the paradigms lose and are eradicated. This would be a dignified exit for them and restore some rational continuity to the Dr. Who canon.

[@imoh.6247]

The last time I was afraid of the Daleks was in parting of ways... Make them scary again. Make the Doctor scared of them again!

[@ADANDER]

If they are gonna makee them have a cameo to fulfil a contractual obligation, then do it in the same way they did in 'Waters of Mars.' Either that or have them pop up throughout the series, hinting at some sort of megaplan, then have an epic series finale with an intense battle

[@MrEvers]

I always thought the Dalek civil war story from classic Who was a wonderful twist, could indeed be nice to reintroduce in some way. The paradigm Daleks were meant to restore the Dalek race, since then we've seen the Daleks as conquerors, the Daleks with a Prime minister, Daleks of all kinds on Skaro,... You could have each of those multicoloured Daleks at the head of a faction, with different ideas, fighting it out, get some time travel involved, then the conflict becomes too large to be ignored. Perhaps that was even the plan from the beginning, fits in their social-Darwinist ideology. Another way to reintroduce the civil war idea is: what do the Daleks do once they've won? Perhaps they're in a galaxy where they've actually succeeded in killing everything, so what now? Do they turn on each other, experiment on prisoners, get out of their travel pods and sing Kumbaya, tentacle in tentacle?

[@floydlooney6837]

The Daleks are a bad design. Give the Daleks a slave army, but the kicker would be at the end when the Doctor tries to liberate them... to her shock, they weren't actually slaves but willing partners.

[@MrSontaran3]

As for the Cybermen, we've had Mondasian Cybermen variants to see Capaldi off, and quite effective they were too. Those could return again. Or, we could see Cybermen very akin to those in The Moonbase appear, cold, calculating, utterly logical, much colder than The Borg. They too need a good strong story, and not be backgrounded villains only. Riff on The Moonbase Cyberman voices too! Let them be chilling and logical, but not utterly terrifying! A fine balance is required. ;D

[@brianshrode72]

I'm just sitting here waiting for the April Fools gag to show up...

[@CouncilofGeeks]

Yeah, I don't do those. I kind of hate April Fools.

[@superraegun2649]

Doctor goes to a parallel universe where the Daleks have wiped out all other life in that universe. They are locked in civil war, for some seemingly trivial reason which The Doctor doesn’t believe is the real reason. He searches for the real reason, but can’t find it, until it finally dawns on him. The civil war is because there’s nothing else for the Daleks to do.

[@chelseafrank5941]

I think they should bring back the Thals (i think that's what they're called) and the Dalek war and have the Doctor do something during that time cos we only saw the aftermath of it in Dalek but it would be really cool

[@Thejss92]

Maybe they could go with the civil war idea, then make the splinter group the eventual victor to refresh their appearance and behaviour

[@paulrapley689]

Right now, at this point I think the Cybermen have taken the role of the lead classic era villain, due to the fact they appealed more to the Moffat style. Which is the closed in, never know when the bad guy is going to emerge and get you style. Sadly Moffat could not do that with the Daleks, as they have been built up to be the rivals of the Time Lords and thus their schemes are more on a take over or destroy the universe level. Hopefully the new series' can restore the space opera style feel to Who, and in turn to the Daleks, but if reports are to be believed, and the next series will be rooted in historical storylines, I can't see that happening.

[@Fanatic_Foremem]

I personally want to see more Dalek individuals, like Rusty. Have a few seasons where the doctor only needs to deal with one or two Daleks with unique traits (Like a pair of Daleks with some sort of competitive nature or a special weapons Dalek that is after a specific enemy of the daleks who ignores everyone else) and then once you've had several series to remind us how dangerous Daleks are in small numbers and with defects bring in a full army of daleks again and make it clear how dangerous they are, with the doctor barely managing to send them away, not even being able to destroy them.

[@Deathlygunn]

Way I see it Series 11 has three companions, have the Daleks appear towards the end of the Series and exterminate one of the companions in cold blood, not in a way where the companion is protecting someone or sacrificing themselves to stop the Daleks, they're just running away and shot in the back, do something that goes "Oh, by the way the Daleks are threats again, even the companions aren't safe."

[@duttondomain5439]

Deathlygunn thst sounds awesome and chilling

[@patrickjenner3211]

The New Dalek Paradigm white Sumpreme's Faction Vs Red 'Journey's End' Supreme Dalek and Davros's faction. We never really see them together. It could be that Davros hate's the Dalek Paradigm and convinces his Dalek to get rid of them.

[@rhetro777]

I feel like we haven't gotten a proper Dalek episode since the 9th Doctor's season. They've been treated as somewhat of a joke ever since.

[@Kschreck]

I want to see a Dalek companion. At least for an episode. lol

[@Here_is_Waldo]

Absolutely.

[@MrSontaran3]

"Genesis of the Daleks" was one of their strongest stories, even though they were somewhat backgrounded until they came out all guns blazing in Episode 6. They weren't seen for 4 years, while we had Blake's 7 and its dystopian Federation. Many of us thought the Daleks would have been perfect in story terms for occasional roles in Blake's 7 also; had that happened, The Doctor need not have been mentioned at all! The Daleks could have been characters in their own right, and shown as ruthless as the masked faceless soldiers were in that series, and as dangerous as Servalan. Instead the policy was to water them down a lot in "Destiny of the Daleks". With the world as it is today, the producers should not fear to make them stronger antagonists, even protagonists. That would give us a new regard for these characters, once more.

[@njnjco]

The Daleks have a plan to exterminate a solar system. The Doctor sweeps in to save the day, and wouldn't you know it, the Daleks succeed. The Doctor is again proven to not be perfect and the Daleks are scary again. Huzzah.

[@BlueSkyBS]

This is the Ferrari/F1 conundrum. The Daleks are not nearly as important to Doctor Who as Doctor Who is to the Daleks, yet to have them, the show is forced to feature them once a season, and it just seems as if everything that could possibly be done with them already has been. Indeed, one could say this has been the case since the 90's, as the Daleks were only one (minor) part of the Time War that existed within the BBC novels before the concept was used in the revived show.

[@floydlooney6837]

I thin k they need to make them more powerful, darker. Make them feel like a real threat, have the Doc visit worlds where the Daleks have already won.

[@benw4409]

Give them a year off and then have them return in a Dalek's Master Plan-esque massive story arc that threatens the universe. Preferably written by Rob Sherman but let's see what Chibnall can do.

[@thebampotgamer5632]

They need to be in every series

[@highvoltage7797]

TheBampotGamer Which is getting increasingly annoying. To be honest they don’t even need the Daleks. The Dalek episodes don’t get the highest ratings, people already think they’re a joke and Doctor Who doesn’t really make as much merchandise to necessitate the need for Daleks. Also, when people say what their favourite monsters/villains I usually hear more about the Cybermen or the weeping angels. I get why they want to keep them because Daleks are linked to Doctor Who as much as the Tardis or the scarf. Also, because they’re easily recognisable. However, if you’re gonna keep them, do something with them.

[@thewatcherofawesomecontent]

Outside the UK I think people see the Weeping Angels as the scariest monster now. A lot of people I know even prefer the Cybermen over the Daleks. Doctor Who should move on, and try to create the next big monster. That's what the show really needs.

[@highvoltage7797]

The Watcher Another problem is that the Cybermen and the Daleks in recent years have become secondary characters in their own stories. The Cybermen especially seem to be either controlled by another force or are sidelined for the Master or companion. Completely off topic, but apart from World enough and time, the Cybermen have been handled poorly in the modern series. They’re more like robots and less like humans with artificial replacements to survive. It’s a life support system not Ironman.

[@thewatcherofawesomecontent]

Don't disagree with you. I think they both need to be put to rest, for now. I hope Chibnall is brave enough to not use any classic monsters in Series 11.

[@Blubatt]

My idea for the daleks would have been as follows: 1. A New hierarchy, like the fridge daleks, but instead only 3 of them, and there would be: - A Drone class- Silver with black balls -A Specialist class (guards and the likes) - Gold with black balls -An Elite Class - Black with silver balls 2. Bring back the OG Emperor Dalek design 3. Have more voice actors, besides Nicolas Briggs. 4. Redo the earlier years of the Daleks, show them killing off the remaining Kaled population of Skaro, beginning conquering other planets, etc.

[@theultimatenerd3767]

I think they defiantly need a spin off showing why they are the threat

[@Aioria0171]

I have two ideas for Dalek stories: Wrath of the Daleks e Praise the Daleks, but that's all I'm going to say.

[@krismunro8172]

I would have been fine with the Paradigm Daleks if the color schemes for them had a metallic look and not an obvious change made to sell toys and other merchandise.

[@tardisnet9487]

A redesign is needed as well as a back to basics story and a long term plan. I just made a video on why the Daleks have gone wrong and how to Fix them if anybody wants to check it out

[@paulmarx7345]

"Dalek" should have been the last time we saw them. It would have been a good ending and then the show could have moved on without being hamstrung by the stupid agreement to use them every year.

[@Here_is_Waldo]

Agreed. When I first saw that episode, I thought that might have been the last time we saw the Daleks, and it was a good send off. Then they came back again and again and again...

[@maurinetritch4901]

I feel like Moffat concentrated on the Cybermen; he tried again and again until he finally got them right in his last two episodes as showrunner. You're right, but in my opinion, Dalek and Into the Dalek are the most effective Dalek stories in New Who. The ones that went full on didn't work as well. I think going one on one is easier to get emotionally invested in, and to say, "Wow, if one does that, what was it like to go up against thousands?" then it is to see it, because the Doctor has to be able to win somehow. How did Classic handle it differently, where Daleks worked well in large numbers? I've seen very little of it.

[@nathanyou1899]

how did you find out I was secretly Chris Chibnall!!!!!

[@seanferguson5460]

Ah! it was the Movellans from Destiny of the Daleks.

[@borjankosarac3645]

You know the Dalek situation in New!Who is dire when someone can suggest "bring back the Movellans" with a completely straight face. *sigh* I really wanted that story to be good, I really REALLY wanted it to be good but it just... wasn't.

[@AnubisX1]

That one thing I miss and love about Hartnell to pertwee dalek stories, they were all proper dalek stories with them scheming and being intelligent after davros arrived we lost that. I personally think they should make the daleks the big bad of the series and make there plan span the entire series in the background till the end. They need to be made intelligent again. They don't need a redesign they just need a proper story and to win for once.

[@FixTheWi-Fi]

1. Use them for the finale rather than the series opener.

[@daon23]

I was watching the season 1 ending with my gf, and she said, Daleks were scary. And I realized that, yeah, the Daleks were scary, in that episode they are menacing and scary af, but, now they are almost comedic relief. They have lost that scary vibe.

[@seanferguson5460]

If you really want them to do something brand new why not a big musical, singing and dancing and with a Busby Berekely-style finale.

[@TonyStarkMkIII]

What does everyone think about a major redesign? Bipedal perhaps? They need to be actually intimidating and I don't think the current design strikes any kind of fear into the viewer.

[@JohnAShort]

I hope Chibnall will shake the whole format of the show up. I hope he will make it a completely different type of show. I would love him to get some inspiration from the 1960s Dalek comics strips from TV21. What I mean by that is... Let's see the Daleks scheming on their own before carrying out their plans (perhaps episodes before.) Let's see some characters established among the Daleks... The gold Emperor from TV21... Their chief scientist and so forth... perhaps? Maybe let Nick Briggs write some (he did great scripts on his Dalek Empire audio series.)

[@Moggy202]

I think a long running over arching plot would be good. That one episode a season could be setting up a huge finale a few seasons down the line. Obviously still have them destroying planets but have them be working towards a larger goal

[@krozjr5009]

Moggy Brady Or we have post-credit scenes where the Daleks have either been manipulating events or watching and learning from events. Eight episodes later, the Daleks have been manipulating the Doctor like a boss for the enitre season, and now they’re ready to destroy. They destroy a planet, go on a killing spree, have a long story to end the season (i.e. Daleks Master Plan), have the companion die or even (if you’re brave) do a Journey’s End but without the cop-out and have the Daleks win and the Doctor forced to regenerate into a new incarnation)

[@tyeetemp4816]

Dr. Who is the only fandom that could possibly make a trash can of death scary 😂

[@Lovemypirates11211]

I agree, the Daleks aren't as interesting or threatening, and window dressing is an apt description.

[@chanceneck8072]

I thought the language aspect was kind of awesome! You know, the one they revealed in series 9, that often times, what Daleks say gets translated differently to the outside! Like for example that even things like "I love you" get translated to "Exterminate!" ! I think they should explore that aspect much deeper!

[@MrSontaran3]

The first Auton story was very strong for their original introduction. We need another akin to that. The first Sontaran tale, with Linx, was strong also. We could do with another solo Sontaran story akin to that, and to The Sontaran Experiment. The Daleks need another strong story, perhaps where they could be the victors, and perhaps even without The Doctor for one episode! Remember Mission to the Unknown? Neither do we need any more scenes, necessarily, of tons of CGI Daleks, half a dozen is all that's needed to tell a tale. To link with the Classic Series, I'd like to see backgrounded Robomen and/or Ogrons as support footsoldiers occasionally. Would be great if they could be really cunning again, fully-fleshed (encased) thinking, scheming characters. I'd like to see a humanoid character with them, a la Mavic Chen or Nyder, a strong foil they would tolerate only as long as he (or she) was useful to them. Bar The Chase, they were strong characters in strong stories throughout the 60's, and in a few stories since. Time they were again! High time for a Restoration of the Daleks. And I'd like to see the Bronze design recoloured metallic silver and blue, and/or metallic grey and black, as nods to how they used to look. There's room for a Gold Dalek or two also! And we could even keep some of the Bronze ones, why not? Paradigm Daleks could reappear, as leaders in a Supreme Council, directing the others. Show them terraforming, adapting worlds devoid of other intelligent lifeforms, if you want to get away from them exterminating all around them, for a change. Alternatively, perhaps it's time to see them doing just that, to show their danger again. Just don't have them being cosy characters. Instead, make something of their ambitions and aims. Space Nazi Robot Beings can be a deplorable cliche, or they can be something very sinister. And differentiate them within a story as characters; they are often soldiers, but not just robotic clones. Their firepower was a strong element in the 60's TV stories, as well as in Dalek. They need to have some foregrounded bite, and not at all to be window-dressing. Leave that for displays of action figures in the toy stores! ;D

[@thestargateking]

How to fix the daleks, have a story, random alien planet, dalek invasion, doctor finds out, but the daleks win, they defeat the forces of the planet, and there’s nothing the doctor can do, he can’t use time travel because she was there, he can’t bring the dead back to life, and revenge well isn’t her style, there’s no point staying and dying so the doctor just leaves, the doctor fails, and we can have a story line of the doctor dealing with failure and not feeling worthy of being called the doctor, then the following episode would be companion focused where the companion goes through a similar failure and the doctor works out how to deal with the failure through the failure of the companion and they work through it together.

[@burns9281]

i would like a season long war with the daleks where the daleks win some and the doctor wins some, not where the doctor wins all of them. do 5-6 esp with them, have the daleks win the first two meeting, then the doctor comes out on top, the daleks win number 4 and 5 and the doctor wins the last big battle and the war. the point in that is to make them a real threat again, because as of now they are not dangerous, the doctor has has beaten them to many times without them claiming any real victories

[@_evanwalsh_]

Personally, I only need one more Dalek story; Their extinction. I couldn’t care less about them anymore, and if I have to decide between every series and nothing, I’ll take nothing at all.

[@MrRjhyt]

That's what I was hoping to get from Asylum. When they kidnap the Doctor for his help. But, as a genuine threat to the Daleks, in the mould of Star Trek with the Borg fleeing Species (whatever). An existential threat to them, not even necessarily an enemy, a return of the anti-Dalek virus.

[@matwells3222]

As much as I would like a full on Dalek civil war, it would feel too much like the arc played out in Resurrection/Revelation/Remembrance of the Daleks. If they are going to bring them back, it needs to be something new.

[@TimeBolt759]

If it was me I would have an arc where the doctor comes across a dalek that is in a galactic prison for some crime that is shunned by the daleks and we don't initially find out what it is. It is only as we go on through the series and after the dalek gets freed that we learn a little more about it until the arc comes to an end when it sacrifices it's life to save the doctor. I understand that not everyone will like this idea but hey I'm just throwing darts at a board

[@CouncilofGeeks]

Conceptually it's not a bad idea. However, I feel between Rusty (from Into the Dalek) and the implications of Witch's Familiar and the tanks changing words that we've done enough "softening" and showing the "potential good" in a Dalek. Maybe down the line after they've been firmly reestablished as a threat, but not now.

[@3oct1111]

I'd bring back the Moffat Daleks as a new Cult of Scaro almost. They're forced to innovate and maybe take names, and think they are superior to the majority of Davros Daleks.