Saucony Endorphin Speed 3 vs. 4

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Saucony Endorphin Speed 3 vs. 4 | Which to Choose?

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@DankScole 5 ай бұрын

I did almost my entire training block in the Speed 3s and LOVED THEM so much I ended up running my first marathon in them. Unfortunately I had to retire them today after 400mi and this review helped me to decide to give the 4s a try. Especially the traction

@Kimsilv 6 ай бұрын

I’ve been waiting for this- thanks! Loved my 3s. Can’t wait to try 4!

@WilltoImprove 6 ай бұрын

I had all 3 models oddly enough liked the first the best ..felt like it changed the game

@pbnotj1 6 ай бұрын

I agree! though could just be my age as well as now in my 40s and faster running was easier 4-5 years ago :-)

@ianwarner1429 6 ай бұрын

I just bought the Speed 4. I set all my PBs in V2s so I hope these will carry on a great tradition 💪🏃‍♂️🇨🇦

@jakej722 6 ай бұрын

Excited to try this one out. I kind of dig the aggressive new visual design, too. All angular like a modern fighter jet. Almost silly. But just pulls it off.

@JustinOsmerIV 6 ай бұрын

Great comparison. I have been training for my first marathon primarily in the Speed 3 and have loved them. I need a new pair for the marathon and was hoping to get the Speed 4 before, but it's released 3 days after my race =[. I do like how you felt the Speed 4 had more traction; I don't feel 100% confident running in the Speed 3 when it's wet out. Thanks for the comparison.

@JDeezle21 6 ай бұрын

Check REI they have a limited edition early store release

@JustinOsmerIV 6 ай бұрын

@@JDeezle21 I have been seeing that but can’t find online. Is it an in store only deal?

@JDeezle21 6 ай бұрын

@@JustinOsmerIV You're right. I don't see it anymore. They just have the Ride 17 now.

@chimpas88 6 ай бұрын

did you run your marathon in the speed 3?

@JustinOsmerIV 6 ай бұрын

@@chimpas88 my marathon is this Sunday. I’ll likely run in the Puma Deviate Nitro 2 since they are more fresh. My Speed 3 have over 400 miles and don’t feel the same. I did a half in my Speed 3 and loved them. I love Saucony so will likely get the Speed 4 and make that one my main.

@bobcarrier4732 6 ай бұрын

Great seeing the comparison and another solid review David. I also got the same creasing in the same spot with the 3 and felt the same that it was more daily trainer like. Was hoping for more speed from the speed. Seems the 4 may have that back? Currently the magic speed 3 has taken the speed a lot for me. Can’t compare carbon to nylon, but do you feel the speed 4 can work as a tempo speed shoe again?

@thomasaussem29 6 ай бұрын

I have been using the Speed 3 for my longer runs and the half marathons and the 1 marathon I ran -- appreciate the comparison -- thank you

@gokuman5000 6 ай бұрын

Can’t wait for this show to drop!! Hearing overall very similar things. That it’s a mesh of 2 and 3

@JavierISampedroTNF 6 ай бұрын

I love my Speed 2 and I was tempted to get a pair of the 3s on sale, but now I wonder if I should hold and get the 4s. With 900kms in my 2s, still have some life left in them. They are holding amazing. Thanks for the comparison.

@ronw5005 6 ай бұрын

I bought 2 more pair of the Speed 3s at 126. Now I can wait for the long term verdict on the Speed 4. I've heard some say it's more narrow at the mid-foot, and is a touch softer than the Speed 3. Time will tell. I do like the look of that forefoot traction, though I've never had issue with the traction in the 3.

@jicalzad 6 ай бұрын

nice pickup. i found a pair for that price around Black Fri. where are they still going for that price? Most i've seen are on sale for around $135

@ronw5005 6 ай бұрын

@@jicalzad REI. They only had 3 or 4 colorways, with limited sizing. I got lucky with black & gold being in my OK column, and they had my size for that colorway. The other colors were in my "no way" column. Good luck.

@JRuns 6 ай бұрын

I got a nitpic so small I wouldn't mention it other than it might cause a bigger issue in a future video for you if it's not something you're aware of: try to find the setting for "White Balance" and change it to fixed from automatic. Probably not noticeable to a lot of folks, but waving the shoes around confused the camera and caused it to be constantly adjusting the color grading. If you want to take it a step further, you can hold up a white sheet of paper in front of the camera and adjust it so that it's white and then set it to fixed. As long as the lighting doesn't change for the rest of the video, your color balance will be good and it won't constantly be flipping around.

@djsalassmc 6 ай бұрын

Honestly solid feedback. I noticed it myself on the playback and will probably make the white balance fixed in the future.

@JRuns 6 ай бұрын

@@djsalassmc Sounds good, I'm glad it came across more as a helpful tip instead of pot shot. I was worried, because youtube comment sections aren't the best for conveying tone : ) I've learned a lot from you all and appreciate everything that goes into it. Keep at it!

@jefreywith1f924 6 ай бұрын

I know you rated the Adidas Boston 12 and the Topo Cyclone 2 as the most versatile shoes you tested in 2023. I have both and love them for that very same reason. I skipped the Speed 3 because I have the Speed 2 and prefer its firmer midsole even though the wider fit of the Speed 3 is better for me. I would love to hear your analysis on how the Speed 4 compares to the Speed 2 and the Boston 12.

@hamoudalnasser 6 ай бұрын

Yeah, the other reviewer from Doctors of Running said he thought the Speed 4 fell in between the 2 and the 3. Keeps most of the stability of the 3, with some of the speed from the 2 returning. I'm definitely encouraged by most early reviews of the 4s.

@jmart38 5 ай бұрын

Thanks for the video. I loved the 1's and the 2's(I've gone through 3 pairs of 2's) but wasn't a real fan of the 3, I ended up just using them for easy runs.

@michaelcaricoo 6 ай бұрын

Thanks David, loved the 2, didn't love the 3, so this is exciting

@1saacmeyers 6 ай бұрын

love the 2s but didnt feel great on the feet during longer long runs and the threes felt kinda clunky in a way

@michaelgriffiths305 6 ай бұрын

Puma are poised to topple Saucony. Door is now open. The Puma nitro foams have six variations. They have been incrementally honing in on on the responsiveness as the durability is there. 2024 now hangs on the Deviate Nitro 3 and Deviate Nitro Elite 3 launches. The latter should get boosted to 40mm stack at the rear with a foam modification too… Photos of the prototypes suggest the change may be similar to the change we saw with the Saucony Pro 2 to the Pro 3. Let’s see!?

@MadLadsAnonymous 6 ай бұрын

Puma is releasing the DN3 in the second half of the year. I also a "Mag Max" (Magnify?) on a Thai running shoes IG.

@chinitopogi7511 6 ай бұрын

First in the comment section. I love EOS 3, but because of the improvement of the fourth version, I might pick the latest version, Can you compare this against Adidas Boston 12, Puma Deviate Nitro 2, Nike Pegasus 40/Zoom Fly 5and New Balance SC elite trainer v3,

@karls8989 6 ай бұрын

yea the 4 felt the same. the traction is slightly better but nothing beats continental rubber and or pumagrip

@mtimbroims 6 ай бұрын

Nothing beats the absolute sh1ttiest upper ever of the Boston 12 either !

@andrewood 6 ай бұрын

I'm halfway through the life of the 3 ,put 300 miles into the 2 ,I'm using it for long runs so will be buying the 3s again this year cause this update is minimal ,the grip isn't amazing on the 3 but it's not a game changer and I'd rather spend £50 -£70 less, it always disappoints me how you reviewers always recommend the new shoes but don't take into consideration that last years model is cheaper ,gives the impression you're being paid although you all deny it ,must be nice getting sent free shoes but I prefer realism and honesty which ,is this new version is almost identical and more expensive

@st4331 4 ай бұрын

💯. I just bought the ES3 for £95. Last month picked up EP3 for £105 and Mach 5 for £70. Last week I bought Novablast 4 for £72 and Superblast for £105. Maybe I don't need them all, but it'll be a lovely rotation, they'll last me at least a year, and at those prices I can do my own reviews and find out what I really like!

@longshlongsilver293 6 ай бұрын

Outsole rubber wears down quickly on the 3. Even though the midsole and upper still feel new.

@Alex-xv5gz 4 ай бұрын

Endorphin Speed 4 is my favorite shoe!

@TolunayOrkun 6 ай бұрын

Speed 1/2 were great shoes, so much so that Saucony nerfed the performance in Speed 3. I do have 1/2/3 and personally I don't get the bounce and fun ride in Speed 3. It is just a good daily trainer now. Yet, unlike daily trainers, the outsole rubber is not durable enough especially the heel area. It is OK to have thinner rubber on forefoot as the forces are spread on wider surface but heel get much worse impact forces and less surface to dissipate it meaning quicker erosion. PUMA Deviate Nitro 2 got this right. It is still a great shoe but has the proper rubber coverage to last long. I still have 2 pairs of Speed 2 in box plus a low mileage Speed 3. I will be passing Speed 4.

@dagmaral 6 ай бұрын

I’ve run in all of them but while I liked that v3 midsole was slightly wider, I struggled midfoot landing in it and it was too soft and lacked the pop and noticeable speed roll of v1 and to a lesser degree 2. Runs in v3 felt like a slog and the mushy midsole aggravated my hip flexors. I tend to choose shoes with more cushion in the forefoot and 8mm drops and am wondering if I should try the endorphin pro instead or perhaps the Rebel4 (now that is a 6mm drop). I can’t afford to spend more than $250 so the Speeds were a great value for a Peba shoe. I don’t like when the forefoot of a shoe bottoms out. Should I stick w v4 or try the Pro or something else. Supercomp trainer 3 comes I fear will be too soft again and it doesn’t come out til second half of the year and I need a spring shoe now. Thx

@davidpuschel8268 4 ай бұрын

I love the ES3. They are so energetic and just roll. It feels mire minimal but they keep always a smile on your face. I wouldn’t say it’s the best trainer. But it’s the most fun shoe. The ES4 is softer and feels bulky and dead in comparison. It’s way more shoe und is good for workouts. It’s probably faster But it’s not fun. And for a trainer they are to expensive. Better get the Boston 12.

@bluesque9687 6 ай бұрын

Nope. Not possible. The outsole grip cannot be better. Their rubber is one of the most slippery in wet conditions regardless of the layout pattern!

@brandonnguyen8480 6 ай бұрын

I’d have to argue! I’ve been running in the latest GT-2000s and those are insanely slippery in the most minimal wet conditions

@bluesque9687 6 ай бұрын

@@brandonnguyen8480 Yea?.. I haven't run much in Asics, just heard people complain... complain more than Saucony shoes... I got the endorphins, a puma velocity, two pairs of Takumi Sen, Nike peg Turbo 35... and the endorphin grip is the worst of them all in wet conditions!

@theghostofpcs2391 6 ай бұрын

I took the Pro 3 out last week. The pavement was only slightly damp (otherwise I wouldn't even have bothered), but I was sliding around like crazy. It was fine on asphalt though.

@OmniZen8118 6 ай бұрын

Saucony's existing XT-900 outsole rubber formulation simply cannot match the gripping power of Pumagrip, Asicsgrip, Continental or Vibram rubber formulations in wet conditions. Increasing the quantity of the same XT-900 rubber on the outsoles may help just a little bit, but also increases the overall weight of the shoes and ultimately still cannot match the gripping power of these rival rubber formulations. If Saucony can no longer improve the gripping power of their XT-900 outsole rubber formulation, they should stop adding more of the same rubber to new shoes and instead license their outsole rubbers from Continental or Vibram. These proprietary rubber formulations may add a bit more to the manufacturing cost, but are real positive product features that can be marketed as such. Saucony should remember that weather is not perfect all the time and runners may prioritize safety in wet conditions.

@theghostofpcs2391 6 ай бұрын

@@OmniZen8118 Exactly. Where I live, the roads are almost permanently wet from September to at least March. A lot of my shoes automatically get sidelined because of it. At the moment I'm either in the Puma Deviate 2/Velocity 2, or the New Balance More v4 permafrost (which has grip as good as puma grip).

@numbers7905 6 ай бұрын

Does the 4 curve into the Achilles like the 3? I couldn’t use the 3 due to the pressure it put on my tendon.

@chrisgibson7188 6 ай бұрын

I had the same issue with the 3. Loved it otherwise. Would also be keen to know how the 4 compares on the heel counter curve.

@MrJoelPap 5 ай бұрын

Same issue here with the 3. “Thanks” to the pressure I have a bursitis. Is the a similar shoe without that problem?

@adambuckle4513 6 ай бұрын

I've just picked up speed 3's for 100 sterling, Ill for a couple of months and hopefully the price has reduced slightly so that I can get into the 4s

@FixForGamers Ай бұрын

Order my speed 4 fore the second time. And yes I have 321 also run whit found the 4 the best.

@IndianaNaturalDog Ай бұрын

Do you think the more pronounced heel flare on the Speed 4 has a significant impact on ride and/or foot strike compared to the 3s? For context, I ran through three pairs of the Speed 3s, each getting about 400 miles and never had any issues. In May 2024 I switched to the Novablast 4s, a large departure for me and after 250 miles I've developed some anterior tibial pain that has sidelined me. I know heel flare can be one factor in developing shin pain. I'm worried that the huge sole flare on the NBs has been a culprit and I'm wishing I would have just gotten another pair of the Speed 3s. As I consider getting a new pair, I'm just curious if the flare on the Speed 4 is gonna be an issue.

@DoctorsofRunning Ай бұрын

@@IndianaNaturalDog it certainly was present the first 20-30 miles but does break in!

@tieloo8842 6 ай бұрын

David, did you run in Vancouver? first thing i saw was your shirt!

@djsalassmc 6 ай бұрын

That's the right shirt! A friend gave one to me though. I did not run it. But maybe soon! I hear good things.

@fencerlacroix2512 6 ай бұрын

can't wait when speed 3 goes on sale. Oh wait its already on Sale, just waiting for pro

@ianmiscool6969 6 ай бұрын

Got me another pair of 3’s on sale. Just waiting for the pros also.

@WilltoImprove 6 ай бұрын

Same want the pros on sale

@camgomersalldesign 6 ай бұрын

I didn’t rate the pros, just grab another pair of speeds

@WayneHe15 5 ай бұрын

I have tempus for 240km, great shoes but traction on wet condition is terrible. So when it comes to Speed 4 vs Speed 3, 4 is a no-brainer for me. Besides, the new design looks better.

@ro-qi4sw 6 ай бұрын

For race day speed 2 is the best. Speed 3 and 4 may be are better for training.

@tomrichardson5433 6 ай бұрын

My speed 3 runshield aggravated my one big toe with bone spurs, most notably on my first run, a six mile easy run. I figured out how to run in them and put 500 miles on them, but a couple months after I retired them, I did a two 1/2 mile walk in them and felt it in the big toe. I had no issues in speed 2. I don't know if the cause was the stiffer runshield upper irritating the toe, or something in the wider midsole versus the speed 2. Any thoughts on whether the speed 4 changes will cause the same issues as the speed 3, particularly with normal upper?

@chimpas88 6 ай бұрын

I am debating whether to run in this for my upcoming marathon vs adidas pro 3 - i am going for sub 4 so not sure if the carbon plate is needed

@DoctorsofRunning 6 ай бұрын

Both great long distance shoes. If you don’t need the stiffness, the speed 4 may be better

@Shipwreckruns 6 ай бұрын

I have the Rei version and the “srs” sock liner…it looks like powerrun HG. Am I crazy?

@djsalassmc 6 ай бұрын

I'll have to get confirmation but I do know they are putting some of their nicer foams into the sock liners so it might be! I just don't have that information.

@timsoo7984 6 ай бұрын

Appreciate the information and comparison, but please stop waving the shoes around in future reviews - I could hardly get a clear view of what you were describing (eyelids, outsole, etc) without getting dizzy trying to focus on the shoes. If you must hold the shoes as you talk about them may I suggest shooting some B-roll of their respective features? Right now the video adds so little value to your description that this might as well be a podcast.