Documentary on 657 crew and hooliganism - Portsmouth FC

[@1100HondaCB]

I'm Portsmouth born and bred and have lived in the city all my life, and by god this video is so nostalgic. I remember the 657 crew pretty well and they were always talked about, sometimes in a notorious sense, but often in a heroic sense as well.

[@julianhilditch5847]

If these firms were about today, we wouldn't have the problems across our inner cities that we have now.... unfortunately The UK has no youth today. We are now outnumbered and that's why we have lost our country

[@angie-smart-but-casual]

@1100HondaCB I got invited by Roger and 657 away at hudds town early 80s top day out ..two clowns from Leeds came and sat next to us and said they were Leeds top boys ..total clowns great day out

[@danielking1850]

I love the music from A Clockwork Orange.

[@tonykelly1679]

First real football firm I ever seen as a kid. 1991 at new cross 657 in full view of everyone and showing who they were? 🦁

[@nickthebastard7566]

First match I ever went to was Pomey vs Millwall, I heard the sirens at previous meets so wanted to check it out!

[@swiftcee266]

657. top boys. all due respect. Luton Town.

[@MrStevemarc]

Remember going to pompey week game .. with chels ... very entertaining.... we smashed up the away end flying seats everywhere...and pompey lads stoned the train i was on .... great memories 😅

[@jbsmith8848]

Lol 1980's England, looks like a great time to have been alive.

[@Robhalifax]

+John Smith Well it was pretty grim but at least footy matches had a PROPER atmosphere.

[@Davey14]

+John Smith Drinking and fighting was the national pass time in the 80s .

[@progforcefield5779]

+John Smith "a pint and a fight a great british night" the legendary viz t shirt

[@charlesregan4576]

It wasn't. Thatcher was busy destroying British industry, there was mass unemployment and mass poverty. Saying that, it was not as bad as times are today; we had had less than ten years of Thatcherism then, now we have had 40 years of its destructive effects to live with.

[@aaron33456]

Play up pompey, pompey play up

[@ARMINIUS44]

657 Vote Docker Hughes - That is genius, absolute class! Thought he would get more than 200 votes though. Fair paly to Pompey from Citeh.

[@Lagerfanny-g7e]

I thought they got over 500. I think the documentary was wrong.

[@jackjerram3550]

Even as a Southampton fan I have to admit that Pompey still have some gritty hard core fans. I'm not supporting violence but it's great to be passionate about your club

[@KnottsAndPipes]

The difference between Portsmouth and Southampton is Portsmouth are ready to die for their club.

[@mcpainters]

Fuck off scummer i put it on ya

[@3rk4u]

credit where its due the 657 back in d day were a tasty firm,i follow man city and i had a good few tear ups v pompey,home and away.

[@joeywest1005]

My father was in the 657 crew and I've met a few of the lads throughout my life !

[@georgetreece9193]

That's awsome !!! Mate !!!

[@ride6722]

are you sure he is your father , as you mother was also in the crew

[@mrkipling2201]

4:37 was West Ham fighting United at the 85 cup game the footage was used in the hooligan documentary on the ICF

[@mickfoskett6629]

Yes pal,the best united have ever done against West Ham,all their top boys were there being chased up Chester road with one of their boys(think it was swallow) shouting out "stay,stay we're west ham,we should be doing these"as they got run into a pub,can't remember the name of it but I heard it's been knocked down now!..on that vid it also showed united steaming into them on Warwick road after the game...one of United's best ever days!..it was revenge after they done us in 75 at Upton Park...there was battles in between those years but those two times stick out!😉👹

[@mrkipling2201]

@@mickfoskett6629 didn’t United nearly have a result at Plaistow station a year later??

[@BADODAVE]

the bit at the very beginning when fans are throwing chairs is Luton vs Millwall

[@nightonthetiles6923]

David Watkins was there that night with Millwall mates.. Strange as I am west ham but mates are mates... Right lively night as was the Chelsea game at the bridge

[@ryanrobinson3900]

4:35 is Leeds steaming West Ham at Highbury in 82 shortly followed by Man Utd and West Ham at Old Trafford in 86.

[@paulkillick527]

How the fuck were Leeds steaming West Ham at Highbury? No it wasn’t it was Leeds at arsenal at the old Highbury!!

[@glenmorgan4597]

​@@paulkillick527must admit found it odd comment, probably a pseudo fan

[@steakandsidjustleeds]

4.36 errrrrr no that wasn't West Ham .. that was Leeds at Arsenal in 82

[@steveob80]

"What am I going to do? I'm gunna fuck off home aren't I!" haha fucking classic:)

[@wehatescummers9662]

Oh Portsmouth We Love You!!!!! Play Up Pompey!!!!! Blue Army💙💙🇬🇧🇬🇧🇬🇧🇬🇧💙🇬🇧🇬🇧🇬🇧🇬🇧🇬🇧💙🇬🇧🇬🇧💙💙💙. Hampshire Is Blue💙

[@ricosuave8123]

As a 🇨🇦 *CANADIAN* 🇨🇦 kid who at one time lived in England, … Northwood, Middlesex from 1977-1982, I was always _fascinated_ by the hooliganism associated with football. I used to travel up to go see Watford games. ~ (But I am still a Liverpool supporter to this day) ~ Not that Watford really had any issues at the games, at least that I saw, but I was still excited to see the passion of the home fans and the visiting fans. I’ve often wondered for those that received lifetime bans, from even back then, how was that enforced and if the ban is still enforced to this day (2024)?? 🤔

[@alfiegrove7233]

some people were banned indefinitely from the 80s but it was not common. As you heard from my club at the start Brighton, people would be given infinite banning orders but that was really just a reflection on my club at the time and the attitudes towards our fans (they hated us and hence why we had all the problems in the 90s, in short they were poncey londoners lol). it would usually just be fines which were a slap on the wrist really even back then but it soon changed with Thatcher. They give banning orders out like its candy now and you can get it at some clubs just for swearing or being supposedly obnoxious, funnily enough pompey is a example of that now and is quite the contrary to how it was back in the day. We mostly have online tickets now with your ID attached so you simply cant get into the ground without being flagged up. They use facial recognition with help and aid of police too on game days, and a lot of hooligans epsciallyyyy england fans have to sign into a police station at certain times when games are going on. Or for england hooligans it would be handing there passports in so they cannot travel abroad, and hence why you see regular england fans getting battered by mma trained hooligans from the mainland because all of our hooligans past and present cant leave the country. Hope this helped mate! to clarify also, indefinite bans at football during the time you watched, would be after going to prison for football related violence and or for numerous incidences over time.

[@ricosuave8123]

@@alfiegrove7233 ~ Interesting. Thank you very much for the information.

[@bohsgerry]

is there some rivalry between bournemouth and portsmouth,what with not being in the same divisions.i happened to ask in a pub some months ago how to get to portsmouth's ground.the pub was in bournemouth and the patrons didn't at all seem happy with me.in fact we'd to leave.

[@glenmorgan4597]

Made up

[@Wolfington]

It appears to be two very quick seperate clips of footage welded together. The second clip is filmed on Warwick Road outside Old Trafford and is West Ham and Manchester United. You may well be right about the first fragment.

[@mickfoskett6629]

wolfington you're right that was west ham and united it was toe to toe all day the moment icf got off the train it was the best they ever tried at o/t..fair dos they were on top in the morning but as more united grouped up the more on top we got by 1pm we had them on their toes to the ground they re grouped and started ealking round the ground twatting scarfers..afterwards we had it with them again toe to toe to the station..to be fair it was tough but we edged it at the end but best firm to come and actually look for it at o/t👹👹

[@mickfoskett6629]

mib..top firm!!👹👹

[@anthonyjones1831]

@@mickfoskett6629… MIB we wasn’t then…. ICJ

[@mickfoskett6629]

​@@anthonyjones1831...yes I might have been a bit too early with the mib then and of course icj was well established, but regardless, United had an awesome firm in the 80s whiched morphed into the mib..great times!😜👹

[@english1midlands]

i was there,said that the police ops made a differance,no more trouble on the terrace,but the music scene made more.that was the thing that made more than half of what would have been clased the under 5s,teens to early 20 lads and that was city to towns everywere,and how do i know this?cos crews were going differant clubs up and down the country,we would think nothing of traveling 2hrs to go the best raves and see people from everywere that was doing the same,except you.

[@mrbillhicks]

0:06 "and then a few of us started dressing up like mice a bit and squeaking"

[@EnidAgnusDei]

music 2 mins or so in is novel good twist on a classical tune .

[@GlenjaminCalculus]

is that derren brown as narrator?

[@garyabbots9955]

im from 80s on my moms life 6 57 the only firm to come to brum and do the business

[@leebenton4607]

Gary Abbots bull shit boro front line ran Birmingham in there big stand running off shouting zulu dicks

[@nightonthetiles6923]

Gary Abbots Bullshit west ham took it to you in and out the ground

[@wearepompeywearegoingup7412]

night on the tiles West Ham’s ICF were a Joke!!!! Carlton leach?? What a soft wanker😂. We call him Carly Peach down in pompey. That bullshitting twat Carly peach should have died in that Range Rover with his so called mates. Millwall had a great Firm! Rangers had a great Firm and it may also surprise you but Tranmere, Bradford and Stoke could really have a row.

[@GoTellTheSpartans24]

Didn’t go much then 🙄

[@mickmiller7724]

still top boys on south coast

[@darrenkitcher503]

Pretty sure you 657 boys teamed up with Millwall an still got ran out of Southampton

[@Lagerfanny-g7e]

@@darrenkitcher503 Southampton have never had any sort of hooligan element. Never ever.

[@darrenkitcher503]

@@Lagerfanny-g7e haha u know nothing back in the 70s and 80s they would of went anywhere an had a scrap they are family club now tho

[@Lagerfanny-g7e]

@@darrenkitcher503 What is it you're trying to say then? Southampton are a now a top football hooligan firm? - The days when it mattered were in the 1980's.

[@darrenkitcher503]

@@Lagerfanny-g7e we went at it with them all just because we ain't wrote any books don't mean there ain't no stories to tell

[@bascet1]

That coppers description of a "boy" is quite accurate. Most of the psychologists use the unemployed,council estate kid bullshit. Never met many scrubber lads!! You get your Jibbers but most of them have money!!! This is nostalgia and its SAD what's happened to our working kids culture and national sport!! Evolution my arse

[@lancashirebomber2739]

all gone to shit!, same as the music.

[@10Prioress]

@@lancashirebomber2739 they all became UKIP and voted Brexit and now we're heading for Skint Road - Never trust thugs

[@quazoid]

thanks..good stuff.

[@SE16Proud]

As a considered Millwall old firm i.ve been to every game that was considered high profile i must say Pompey never failed to show along with Cardiff and of course many more clubs stand up to be counted and respected of course my all time fav is when the paths cross with West Ham it goes without saying the battles that have ensued have been spiteful but for me i.d have to say 3 events stick in my mind Tottenham away 1967 F.A. cup replay..1973 Wolves awayF.A cup and Cardiff Ninian prk 1999 that day was a blood bath n one of the biggest beatings i.ve ever taken but worth every cut n bruise👍🦁🦁🦁

[@raymondmcdonald355]

Named after the 1st train out of Portsmouth on a Saturday morning

[@gymrachel]

Pompey play up!!

[@MrNobody808]

How was complaining to a journalist, who asked the question, about 500 tickets not being sold, a flashpoint? As if there wasn't enough going on at football games in the 80s without the press and police creating more drama.

[@DisclosureChannelTV]

20:25 .. What sort of hooligan takes a jam sandwich to a football match. :D

[@GarngadLoyalists]

A hungry one

[@flyest80sukbboy99]

A policeman! :)

[@stevenstainer1586]

Jam sandwich is lush wys 😂

[@spaceweed1025]

Where were you at Bramall Lane?

[@Spentastic]

Our two clubs aren't even in the same division. Your comment needs to be more specific, times and dates etc.

[@Micrsiro]

In Australia there's very little violence at our football games, and what little there is is only drunken one on ones, never organized factions

[@justincampelli5003]

Raffles,matey how are you?

[@justincampelli5003]

Winchester an Portland 85/6 ? meet loads of the crew an twoed up with a 6.57 playing cricket in the cell “23/hrs in a cell had to do something 😂😂😂

[@gavb9816]

Everton fans told" your going nowhere near a pub, stay here till 215 and well escort you to the ground"! Fans are treated like scum

[@id001277]

Is that Alan Davis behind the screen

[@gordonthackrey4141]

Why did coach driver pick them back up

[@angie-smart-but-casual]

When the name Portsmouth came up it was only said 657

[@raff32]

By christ you have no idea do you?? They weren't angry because they weren't allowed in for free, they were angry because they weren't allowed to buy tickets at the gate.

[@hoodle5515]

15:11, I wondered what happened to Frankie Goes To Hollywood

[@s99bf0c8]

LOL at them putting forward a political canditate, they deserve credit for their sense of humour!

[@CARLIN4737]

Must have been some tear up when spurs bought that huge mob down in the cup game of the Gazza era.

[@simsimo7655]

Rivalry comes from the docks as the pompey dock workers went on strike the southampton workers took there place which crashed there negotiations.

[@davedalton5302]

why keep showing that Italian game they were the first to try and fight but like typical Italians ran

[@rangersfantillidie6957]

The 657 Were The Best Firm in England.

[@gavb9816]

how would you know .

[@cal-efc8062]

Everton that fella

[@fishermansid8861]

🤣 yeah ok

[@fishermansid8861]

@@cal-efc8062yeah ok 🤣

[@cal-efc8062]

@@fishermansid8861 you obviously have no idea

[@angie-smart-but-casual]

Got invited to hudds town v pompey by pompey early 80s hudds only had a handful of lads we were in the town seats about 40 having a laugh ..then these two lads walked over and sat down they said they were Leeds top boys haha game but dim as fu*k 657 told them to do one im Leeds but they were an embarrassment.. angie..top group of lads

[@lashimbah]

One thing gets me is all the bull about the hatred between pompey and saints going back 100s of years. Maybe in the 2 cities it did but a lot of both clubs support comes from rural Hampshire. My grandad was born in Brockenhurst and watched pompey in the 50s (wonder why) but still liked the saints. My dad watched the saints for donkeys years and took us down as kids 40 years ago and we still support them. But 2 of my cousens are pompey through and through. Also as a teenager I had school mates from Alton who likes pompey, so 1 week I would go with them to fratton park and the next week they would come to the dell. I dont mind pompey doing ok as long as they are not above the saints.

[@10Prioress]

Yawn !

[@wearepompeywearegoingup7412]

CAREFREE, WHEREVER WE MAY BE WE ARE THE FAMOUS PFC! AND WE DONT CARE WHOEVER YOU MAY BE, CAUSE WE ARE THE FAMOUS PFC! BLUE ARMY💙. PLAY UP POMPEY! 💙

[@neilmaddison8818]

that was leeds at arsenal in the cup when the bins went flying.and west ham turned up and got done. its leeds running west ham. few well none leeds faces on it,

[@paulkillick527]

Oh fuck off idiot West Ham never went over there that day stop talking bollox you Walter mittee 😂

[@kayper54]

Where did they SAY that they were not allowed to buy tickets? All they were talking about was how terrible it was that they weren't allowed in. I don't have time to watch that whole video again, so point me to the minute where they specifically state that they are mad that they aren't allowed TO BUY TICKETS, and I will delete my original post. All I heard was they were angry that they simply weren't allowed in. I heard nothing about tickets. (Maybe the tickets were all gone. It happens.)

[@andyarmitage77]

That was ICF at Highbury not Man Utd

[@andrewmorfitis5741]

A good firm back in the day... BRISTOL CITY CSF84

[@gymrachel]

Hardnuts of Pompey

[@jamesinburiton]

ahem, i wouldn't call 2-2 smashed, would you?

[@theangelstars1]

Why didn't the police just let the Everton fans in?

[@perthsaint66]

Elwood Dowd I didn't understand that part myself, 500 + spaces but they would rather have them kicking about the streets, the police are to blame when it comes to things like this kicking off.

[@georgemacpherson1992]

Not sure why. According to them it is the club who decided to stop selling tickets but the club would turn round to the police and say that is not true and they would have wanted the extra 500 unsold tickets to go to the Everton who were outside in the streets. The people who were in the street outside the ground who were dined entry weren't even football hooligans they were just simple supporters who went to Portsmouth only to support their club. It goes to show that the police always obey the Tories since this would have been filmed during the Thatcher era.

[@garyabbots9955]

lets be honest Cardiff good but never in the 80s every Saturday in the 80s was a battle and we loved it best thing we all respected each other

[@ellandroadfaithful]

Bournemouth have rivalry with Southampton and Pompey. Bournemouth away brings back great memories

[@FreezinFury]

Omg I NEARLY PISSED MY SELF SEEING THAT

[@neilwilliams8741]

everton shadiest mob in early 80,s robbing game lads kirkby page moss huyton

[@wehatescummers9662]

Play Up Pompey!!!!!!

[@Eel.666]

I went to Pompey with Everton in the eighties and the police said they wer more scared if us than Pompey,thats why away end was empty so was hole end and wouldn't let a thousand fans in , proper cowards them Pompey police.

[@bascet1]

mid 80s the 2nd division was best for footy violence.you had man city,pompey,leeds,boro,chelsea,newcastle,liecester(sic),Oldham..ahh!!! them was the fucking days compared to today with women going carryin on like they know about football call me a sexist bastard but its true!! although City are doing mint on the pitch id swap them days for today in a heartbeat!!! one word Atmosphere !!!! MCFC M20

[@mrkipling2201]

Bascet1 totally agree shame there isn't more people who think like this about football maybe the sport wouldn't have gone down the toilet

[@stephenmcphail9758]

bascet1 Yer spot on mate,A,deen

[@MrStonecold69]

Portsmouth.......Remember Room 101??? Spike Milligan ripped you to pieces And you have never been the same SPIKE MILLIGAN - ROOM 101

[@jackfletcher8409]

What ?

[@benosullivan8313]

😂

[@pablojablo6371]

Portsmouth v Everton = Interesting.

[@hooverface]

Blackburn best crew for such a small number in the 80s

[@Lionboy2930]

+joachim piper You having a laugh?....

[@bascet1]

Bollocks I'm a Man City ex lad and Oldham had a far better mob than Blackburn? Blackburn never came to Maine Rd but Oldham did several times.

[@nightonthetiles6923]

joachim piper dis they have a firm? Don't make me laugh

[@angie-smart-but-casual]

Blackburn hahahahaha

[@fishermansid8861]

🤣

[@kayper54]

So, let me get this right: the fans who don't have tickets to the match are upset and offended because they aren't allowed in for FREE? And they insist they aren't troublemakers! Just the fact that they're THERE and expecting to get in for free is enough trouble-making all by itself.

[@angie-smart-but-casual]

On wrong thread love most didn't care if had a ticket anyway so yes troublemakers as if certain supporters didn't go then real fans can get in

[@geoffpoole483]

@@angie-smart-but-casual The fact that the match was all-ticket would have been widely publicised. If those Scousers travelled to the game without tickets it's their own fault.

[@angie-smart-but-casual]

I was trying to work out what I'd said I never said anything about tickets I've been to 100s of games over years with no ticket you try your luck you don't get in tough you know the risk .I was saying old bill calling fotie lads council estate kids and stood bye u your mates an accountant a physio a brickie etc

[@johnbrown4989]

657 pompey crew big John the mad man .

[@ZootCaptain]

alot of bods getting into movember early doors

[@cal-efc8062]

Everton CRC 👊🏻

[@mikeweston3514]

Wrexham lad on there following Everton Darren army Williams

[@cupovdmt]

that fella saying a lot of everton fans are from the midlands? really? im an evertonian and ive never heard that one...but this is before my time. anyone enlighten me on this..was it an 80's thing...go ed yer midland toffees

[@dougietomlinson5315]

Stafford had a housing scheme that was nicknamed 'Everton estate'. Graffiti could be seen from the train south of Stafford station.

[@BennNeddyy]

Millwall bushwhackers Inter city firm 657 crew yid army leeds service crew red devils chelsea headhunters zulus the best in the 80s

[@mcoshea83]

Everton and boro aswell, kind of strange the way everton avoided the media attention compared to a lot of other big mobs, but they always been big players as have boro

[@hepatitusb]

ben what kind of mob did Ipswich have back in the day? Meet a lot of the old heads at games an that and hear stories, but never see any old clips on KZbin involving them...

[@hooverface]

Max Helm went with blackburn in 88 chased them round the ground and there pubs and during the match they had lads walking round with police picking out blackburn lads to arrest

[@hepatitusb]

Ah.

[@blooduhz]

Arsenal's The Gooner and The Herd was one of the best too, with their distinctive 'E-I-E ' chant before causing a mayhem. Guess that's all left in the past since Arsenal is now more of a family and tourist club and any Arsenal fans associated themselves as Gooner while The Herd is close to non-exist since they stay undercover and hidden from the public

[@cannonfodder6654]

dressed as wedding party hahahaha

[@TheNeutralViewFromSwedenAKAHer]

25.07, credits, film research Rick WISEMEN! 4, 5

[@kanervatie]

657?

[@plonkgenius72]

pompey last home game...........

[@williamgiddings9008]

That cooper "they are from all walks of life" like a holigan spends all day everyday fighting... to have a normal job as well 😮lol

[@tinmccool]

love the way all the Scouse have wee joyrider 'tasches

[@kentokie]

good

[@carltheblue.2531]

Boss crew Everton then! naughty

[@m75s87]

is anyone high?

[@garyabbots9955]

truth in the 80s icf the best one thing they never told the truth they got run lots of times but in the day they was the best Zulu till I die

[@garrychivers4807]

you find out you can trust, the non runners CCS

[@benosullivan8313]

It show.every other club fighting.invisible men

[@english1midlands]

fact,in no way was it the police tactics and cctv.you obviously werent there and dont know what your talking about,i think the thought of gettin several yrs bang up bit the main reason which is a fact was a drug clled ectasy and the rave scene and anyboody that part of a firm will tell you the same,we was all meeting each other when we started going to each others clubs but instead of beating each other we started hugging each other,even more so with the youger lads

[@mrbillhicks]

'657' is that their combined mental age or their IQ ?

[@joechill6639]

Wow, a Bill Hicks fan. You must be sooooooo enlightened.

[@mrbillhicks]

Yes indeed, thank you... Ah, Tales from the Riverbank, that charming Canadian children's series from the early 60's, with Roderick and Hammy... that makes you a lady of a certain age if you can remember that one...

[@joechill6639]

A song by The Jam ya spud.

[@mrbillhicks]

The Jam were an English punk rock/mod revival band active during the late 1970s and early 1980s. They were formed in Woking, Surrey. While they shared the "angry young men" outlook and fast tempos of their punk rock contemporaries, The Jam wore smartly tailored suits rather than ripped clothes, and they incorporated a number of mainstream 1960s rock and R&B influences rather than rejecting them, placing The Jam at the forefront of the mod revival movement...... So we now know that you are a lady in her late 50's who had a crush on Paul Weller a singer who liked writing songs about his favourite children's TV programmes... And lives in the Portsmouth area...

[@joechill6639]

And you're a teenager who's smoked a bit too much weed and thinks Bill Hicks is deep as fuck. It's alright flower, we'be all been there.

[@ParkLaneTottenham1]

Pretty sure you've NEVER smashed them... Have you ever smashed anybody?

[@IDMWEIGHTSIDM]

@7:30 lol.. hes well fucked!!

[@thomasdavis169]

Notice the lack of females and overseas fans. Oh how I miss them days. Too many women in sports now.

[@angie-smart-but-casual]

@thomasdavis169 I agree but I'm a female casual hooligan leeds s.c since 1980 but ban womanpundits etc no clue

[@kevindonaghy7891]

Mr beans brother 😮

[@storydujour]

9'36 onwards ... ace police intelligence Re visiting team (Everton) colours being "blue & white" etc

[@mrkipling2201]

Typical police loads of space on the Terraces but wouldn't let the Everton fans in then blame it on the club. Then if there is trouble they start moaning even though it's their fault !! Had it many times myself in the 80's when I couldn't get a ticket and the Police always let us in if they could because they knew it would be less work for them.

[@Frankie-ds3pq]

Come seriously unstuck at Luton

[@erbilgary]

Bullshit

[@Frankie-ds3pq]

@@erbilgary not bullshit I was there, chased yous all over the place and back to the station

[@danabrahams7892]

Docker Hughes well oiled ha

[@TheBez58]

that copper is mr bean

[@cupovdmt]

blades allday

[@nickthebastard7566]

Those early '80's shorts are well gay!

[@55tranquility]

The police crackdown, surveillance and stiffer sentences did a bit to stop trouble but what really stopped it was eccies and raves 🤪