Dodge 3.6L VVT lifter failure fix!

3.6L VVT lifter Knock fix without removing timing chain!

[@thayerm1]

2013 Jeep Grand Cherokee. Replaced all rocker arms and hydraulic valve lash on the right side of engine immediately after hearing ticking noise @119,328 on 8/26/21. One rocker arm was bad and 3 had some play. Job needed a valve cover gasket set, upper intake gaskets and Throttle Body gasket (not replaced). Replaced torque crews on PCV valve (old gasket used) with 5mm bolts for easy access. Remove the throttle body to access the 2 throttle body support bolts. Two bolts removed to relocate transmission fill tube. Special tools needed to secure the cam shaft. Lifter: 12x: MELLING JB7525 Rocher Arm: 12x: MELLING MR1332

[@markwarner8336]

Do you think Melling is good or better than oem,I have a 2013 with 130,000 on it and was thinking about changing roller rockers,lifters,and timing chain kit ,I have no tick yet ,probably just jynked myself lol

[@bempierre]

don't need take any brackets off to take upper intake off. Just remove bolts from back and in front use 4mm socket and take stem and bolt with it off. Then pull up and slide forward.

[@markwarner8336]

Why didn't they do it like a old 22re Toyota engine, no lifters or rollers involved, the only reason I can think of is less noise,I'll take dependability over less noise any day lol

[@trino14]

Thanks man. I've tried alot of things. This might be it

[@dannysays999]

good job man! how much did that job cost?.... i have this problem exactly!

[@davidbachy5627]

Fantastic Video!!! Thanks!

[@santiagofranco1658]

That is a good video thanks.👍

[@georgeanddaddecker7563]

I would just pay for all new cams,rockers,and lifters while you were in there. Once and done. New spark plugs,coils,and Dorman oil filter housing too.

[@leecrumble3921]

Yes you can bet if one was bad others are going to be bad soon. I've seen some with 5 rockers worn.

[@Mslilwetwet]

What would this cost on a 2012 dodge journey lifter replacement

[@MECHANIC1]

Thanks man!

[@subliminal1284]

Quick question, since you didn’t loosen all the caps what order did you tighten the caps down in? I’m in the middle of doing this and don’t want to screw things up when I torque the bolts back down

[@xCHAV0x]

Sorry for the late reply but I torqued them down the same way as if u had loosen all of them.... I went over the ones I didn’t loosen up just for good measures.

[@subliminal1284]

@@xCHAV0x Where is your shop located? Might use you in the future if by chance it’s close

[@xCHAV0x]

@@subliminal1284 I don’t have a shop I’m an independent mechanic..that one was at small dealer that hires me from time to time..but im located in NC

[@donsantos7963]

@@xCHAV0x where in NC ?

[@learnalittlelivealittle6502]

How many rocker arms are there total? Would it be worth it just to replace them all while I have it tore apart?

[@xCHAV0x]

It’s 1 per valve so I believe it’s 24 of them.. yes replacing all its a good idea but that means removing the timing chain to remove the ones near the timing sprockets so might as well replace timing guides.

[@timmaywoohoo]

If it ain't broke don't fix it. The more you mess around inside the valve cover the more likely you're gonna throw the engine out of time and if you have to ask this question you're not gonna have a good time timing one of these.

[@christinegabeautumnmommyha1248]

Hi, would you say this is a common issue with these cars? With the ticking noise? Also do you think this is something that one can do on their own if they followed how you did it because I have this issue currently, and would like to know.

[@xCHAV0x]

It’s is a common issue..if u try getting the part from the dealer most of the time it will be on back order..it’s not a bad DIY job as long as u don’t let the timing move out of time.

[@DavidMartinez-mc1fy]

How long did it take you to do it

[@slimtrim22]

How much did you charge for that job?

[@jeffreyzabawski4862]

My 2021 Charger GT is Ticking and getting worse by the day. I just watched a video and it's ridiculous that this started a decade ago and still counting. I've been to two different Dealerships and both said it's normal of course. It's depressing hearing your Engine sound like shit and getting worse while your paying on it. Plus I bought it with intentions of keeping it for 10-15 years and no way in hell that's happening unless something changes.

[@xCHAV0x]

Dam man I’m sorry to hear that..yea dealerships don’t really care since that’s money for their service department…U could help it by running either Mobil 1 or royal purple oil or adding some oil treatments to slow the wear down.. the only way to get rid of the tick is to replace the valves..

[@staceyandesme8023]

I cried once the sound got worse…I can’t even turn it on nomore because it hurts my feeling so much

[@streetwearfluent7237]

Story of my life

[@tommason4702]

Thanks for the great video!! BTW, if cam shaft has to be replaced, rear side is considered left or right side when ordering the part? Thanks for your help!

[@xCHAV0x]

One cam Is exhaust the other is intake..u would ask for either a intake camshaft or exhaust camshaft..u can tell by looking at the cams..the one closer to the center of the engine is the intake the one in the outer side is the exhaust camshaft!

[@tommason4702]

@@xCHAV0x Looks like you did not understand my question. There are two sides to the engine: front 3 cyl and rear 3 cyl. I checked Mopar and they refer to left or right side for everything, not front or rear. My question is: "rear" corresponds to right or left side of the engine? Thanks for your help.

[@xCHAV0x]

@@tommason4702 oh ok..the right bank..pistons 1,3,5 will be to the rear..left bank..pistons 2,4,6 is up front

[@tommason4702]

@@xCHAV0x Thanks a million! This really confused me and I could not get this information anywhere. It's a lot of headache if you order the wrong part. You are my life saver!

[@byronwalton4459]

I replaced a bad rocker arm on bank 1. Tick is gone, but still getting a P219a and P0301 (cylinder 1). Is it worth it for me to go back in and check the lifters? Could the bad arm that i replaced have damaged the 02 sensor or something? Thanks, man.

[@xCHAV0x]

Yes because usually the reason rockers go bad is because the lofter is stuck or got stuck at some point

[@r.a.5625]

Were you able to solve the problem? I have a bad lifter sound and p219a code. I replaced o2 sensors and map sensor. The code was there I replaced injectors and now p219a code is gone and I have p219b code. Does bad rocker arms lead to these codes?

[@jraider43]

Can you tell me how to place those six but sensors

[@jayfonseca4400]

What are the specs for the valve adjustable? Or is it just replacing the rocker and the lifter, and that's it?

[@xCHAV0x]

If the valve hasn’t been damaged then there is no need to adjust it..just replace rocker and lifter and torque everything down to specs.

[@arkana8453]

What is the cause of this defect?

[@stevencruz6478]

Would you recommend chaging the timing chain/water pump when replacing the lifters?

[@xCHAV0x]

If you’re planning on removing the chain then yes but if not then not really..this engine is not known to stretch the chain or a faulty pump.

[@stevencruz6478]

@@xCHAV0x thank you, just replaced the camshaft, rocker, lifters, timing chain, water pump, spark plugs and coils. I still get a violent shake when in gear. Any ideas? engine mounts?

[@shameelshemi8057]

@@stevencruz6478 mine also small shaking when engine is on.

[@abrahamrodriguez1693]

@@stevencruz6478 motor mounts

[@antluis3444]

Im having this problem on my dodge charger and my question is, is it worth it to fix the lifter, rockers, and camshafts or should i just trade the car in or sell it? Every mechanic ive talked to about it get scared and say to get a new motor and dont wanna work on it. Took it to dodge and they wanna charge me 3500 to fix all lifters, camshaft and rockers.. so is it worth to fix??. Only has 120k miles. Thanks.

[@xCHAV0x]

Really depends..usually the rocker is what goes bad and if u catch it on time u can save the camshaft and u would only need new lifter and rocker… if u have a little experience with cars it’s not too hard to do just don’t let it jump time while doing the job..but to me it be worth fishing if engine still fires up fine

[@antluis3444]

@xCHAV0x cool thanks man

[@alejandro2222221]

Good. I have a problem with a 2011 dodge charger 3.6 with 190 thousand miles that I bought. I changed the expired oil, changed the spark plugs, cleaning the injectors, cleaning important sensors, acceleration body. Once it has been tuned, it will be given a 5w / 30 oil to clean the inside of the engine. I changed the synthetic caite x 10w / 30 again. THE DETAIL THAT I STARTED TO RING IN THE COLD THAT IS 1 OR 2 SECONDS AND NOW. I turn on the check ingine and the result is the camshafts and I have changed them, The 3 chain tensioners are changed and everything is fine. And the rattle came back. What will be the problem? They do not know what it can be. Can you help me?

[@xCHAV0x]

Where is the rattle coming from? Top, front, or bottom of engine? If the rattle is coming from the top then u might have to look into the lifters and rockers… if it’s coming from the front, check the length of the chain it could have stretched causing it to rattle… if it coming from the bottom then check the rod bearings. Hope this helps!

[@alejandro2222221]

good afternoon. Apparently the rattle comes from in front of the engine and the chain tensioners have already been changed. I have a video that causes the rattle. I would like to be able to send it to you by email. regards

[@jeffreyzabawski4862]

I've heard a few people that completely stopped their Engine Tick by switching to amsoil Signature and Redline when the vehicle had high milage like yours. I have a Tick going on that's getting worse with on 4,000 miles so I'm about to try one of them as well.

[@Sam-656]

So did the rattle get fixed? I'd you did what happened?

[@hksjoshua]

So did you replace the lifter also or rocker arm only?

[@xCHAV0x]

I replaced lifters and rocker.

[@larrypippin7854]

Why didn't you show any of it? Kinda important don't ya think?

[@dezman2003]

@@larrypippin7854 Exactly, there are dozens of videos of rocker arm replacements. Dude titled this as a lifter problem and then fucked off on actually showing anything at all regarding lifters. Thanks a lot you genius, thanks for wasting our time.

[@leohernandez121]

How long did it take to change the lifter.. Shop hrs???

[@xCHAV0x]

I would say 5~6 that’s taking it easy.

[@Big-Hit]

I have the same issue my brotha, how much do you charge to fix the lifters on a 2014 dodge caravan?

[@xCHAV0x]

I charge $450 to replace all lifters

[@Big-Hit]

Where are you located

[@xCHAV0x]

Statesville NC

[@caylee3277]

@@xCHAV0x hey I'm getting this sound on a 2015 dodge journey, I'm in Raleigh how far from there are you

[@caylee3277]

@@xCHAV0x they are saying lifters and rocker arms

[@roberthunter1986]

How much would a job like this cost on a 2014 dodge journey

[@caylee3277]

Hey did you get yours fixed? Mine is on a 2015 journey

[@Deedee-mu4xv]

Did you change it without touching the cam phasers ?

[@xCHAV0x]

Yes.. timing was not disturbed.

[@jeremyh683]

Thanks alot Fiat/Chrysler. Cheap parts.

[@YouYa01-]

How much roughly does it cost to fix rocker arms ? I got 500$ saved and I’m hoping it’s my lifter but just wondering

[@xCHAV0x]

At a shop about $1200+ ...an independent mechanic like my self around $250 (if they are honest).. if you want to do it yourself it’s about $130 in parts, that’s including the intake manifold gasket, valve cover gaskets, and rocker..rockers are about $15~$25 each so it’s not bad.

[@arnejohnson8623]

It's the labor not the parts that'll get you ... valve lifters and rocker arms are all pretty cheap.

[@donsantos7963]

You still do this?? Got one like this now

[@donsantos7963]

@@xCHAV0x You still do this?? Got one like this now close to NC

[@xCHAV0x]

@@donsantos7963 sorry man just seen this…but yes Im still doing them.

[@Kdfclincher]

Is it crazy to just replace the bad lifter and not the whole thing cam and all?

[@xCHAV0x]

Yes but you will have to replace the rocker and the lifter and only if the camshaft itself has not been damaged… that’s what I did on the video I did not replaced camshaft or cam gears ⚙️

[@GoldenArmz910]

How long could your drive it with that sound without it blowing up?

[@xCHAV0x]

Depend on the severity of the sound but u really don’t wanna risk much time on that… it could go from being a $150~$500 repair to a $1,500~$3,500 repair.

[@GoldenArmz910]

@@xCHAV0x mannnn how far are you from fayetteville Nc?

[@r.a.5625]

Does camshaft not need to be come out to replace the rocker arms?

[@xCHAV0x]

No u loosen up the cam caps enough to free the rocker arms..if needed turn engine by hand to release tension on rocker arm but spin engine with all caps tightened down.. once the cam lobe is pointing up that will make it easier to remove by loosening a few caps.

[@r.a.5625]

@@xCHAV0x Thank you so much

[@Kdfclincher]

Does driving it with the tick do more damage?

[@xCHAV0x]

Yea depending on how severe it is it can damage more parts and eventually cause bigger issues.

[@jimmyfale6370]

You didn't show you took the rocker arms off or how you moved the cam around or took off that rocker arm I need to see every detail of this process of fixing the tapping noise

[@xCHAV0x]

U loosen the cam caps in order for the cam to lift up enough to remove the rocker

[@jimmyfale6370]

@@xCHAV0x thank you very much for responding back to me also can I just tighten the caps back or do I have to torgue it down and is there a torgue sequence appreciate your answer back

[@jimmyfale6370]

@@xCHAV0x my Dodge caravan was making a tap tap noise took it to Dodge they changed the lifters they didn't mention anything about the rocker arms so both parts can make the tapping noise they charged me 3700.00 for the job where are the lifters and do you have a video for that job appreciate a response from you thank you PS: wanna do it myself this time don't wanna get charged another 3700.00 🙏

[@hassanaldossari2509]

What is your camera 📷

[@xCHAV0x]

Just an IPhone XS Max..

[@martinpadilla9053]

En qué lugar estás tengo ese problema texteame tu dirección estoy en California

[@kenbrou2250]

Chavo are you in Texas? I want to pay you to do this to my ram

[@xCHAV0x]

I actually just got to TX this weekend but I will only be here this week then I’ll be in NC.. I could do the job this week if u would like I’m located in Tyler tx

[@kenbrou2250]

@@xCHAV0x I want to send you my number or something, no private message o. KZbin

[@junioraviles3192]

@@xCHAV0x im from marshall tx 😎 thnx for postin the video my wifes car has 2 that i know of that are bad. Im currently livin in florida so just gonna get my mechanic to tear down and replace.

[@DavidMartinez-mc1fy]

How long did it take you?

[@xCHAV0x]

About 5~6 hrs depending on how many breaks u take

[@stillballin9967]

Yo chavo, where are you located ?

[@xCHAV0x]

I’m located in Statesville NC

[@huntermcauliffe545]

I have the same ticking noise but when we took everything apart all the rockers were fine and now we are lost as to what it could be

[@xCHAV0x]

This might be dumb question but did u check the lifters? They are the ones that fail by getting stuck..in my case the lifter got stuck up and caused the rocker to get damaged but if the lifter gets stuck down then the rocker is just gonna be loose causing the noise also inspect the cam lobes

[@huntermcauliffe545]

@@xCHAV0x The lobes weren’t damaged and none of the rockers were loose

[@xCHAV0x]

There has to be one that is making the noise.. unless ur tapping is coming from the bottom… they might not be too loose but if a lifter is not functioning properly it will tap since is not retracting and expanding as it should

[@huntermcauliffe545]

@@xCHAV0x if it’s more underneath what could that be because it’s not knocking like it would if it was a rod problem

[@xCHAV0x]

Check your exhaust manifold gaskets they can cause a sort of tick noise..Try using a Stethoscope to pin point the source of the noise.

[@dubbsackss20]

Im doing the same job but I noticed that you didnt change the lifters.

[@dubbsackss20]

Also when my lobe is off the rocker arm just comes out, no compression on em. Any help?

[@xCHAV0x]

I did replace the lifter but I didn’t show it..when I’m showing the rocker u can se the lifter is out but since the rocker was the one that was the one making the noise I forgot to show the lifter.. if the lifter that u are trying to remover is being pushed down just turn the engine by hand till u see that the lobe of the can has moved up and the valve is close that way u don’t have to lift the cam as much and u don’t run the risk of jumping time or anything like that.

[@dubbsackss20]

@@xCHAV0x My rocker just falls out with the lobe off. Could it be my lifters are stuck in the down position?

[@xCHAV0x]

If the can it’s not losses and rocker just fall off then yes the lifter is stuck.. also make sure if u going to put mew lifters in, to submerge the new lifters in new oil to charge them.. u can use a cup and just drop the lifters in there but make sure to pour enough oil to cover them completely and let them sit for about 15 min before dropping the new lifter in.

[@dubbsackss20]

@@xCHAV0x your awesome man! Thanks

[@hasanaletabi1938]

We got more noises 😂

[@chriswilliams3327]

Will bad lifters give me bad acceleration

[@xCHAV0x]

Depending on how damaged it is if it’s to the point where it won’t engage the valve anymore then yes but u would definitely have a loud knocking sound coming from the top end.. look for vacuum leaks that’s more common to cause a bad acceleration

[@jeremyh683]

This has been a problem for quite a few years now and and dodge always says there's nothing wrong. I got this ticking especialy on idle and slow acceleration on my Chalenger and it only had 57000 miles on it. Never drove it hard and changed oil every 3000 miles. Even the Mechanics praised me on how good I kept the car up. Just a horrible engine.

[@xCHAV0x]

Yea these engine aren’t the best but if u catch the problem in time it keeps u for replacing camshafts!

[@jeremyh683]

@@xCHAV0xI understand that but doesnt matter how fast you catch it it shouldn't be giving problems like that that fast especially if your babying the car and when the car is still practically new still

[@mails5054]

@@jeremyh683 its basically luck of the draw. I have the 3.6l and many go over 200k miles with no issues. I have the 3.6l in a jeep tho, seemingly less people talk about the issue in jeeps. The rocker arms and oil filter housing is what you have to look at mainly. Otherwise the engine is pretty solid. It almost seems like either you have this issue or you never will. Probably manufacturing or assembly not up to spec, ehh blame fiat. One went to 626k before it needed a rebuild! there is hope haha

[@brianheiden6623]

Thats a rocker arm bro lifter is underneath lol.

[@xCHAV0x]

U don’t say?….the lifter failed causing the rocker to fail.. lifters and rocker arms were replaced.

[@paul91124]

If not fixed,what's gonna happen?

[@xCHAV0x]

It will wear dow the cam and eventually break, sending metal pieces into the oil and bigger pieces will get stuck in other valve springs causing them to stay open and causing farther damaged to the engine.. not worth the risk..

[@paul91124]

@@xCHAV0x Thanks again,but what cause from breaking? Factory's misasenbury or drove too fast by running engine or use cheap oil? Please let me know thanks.

[@xCHAV0x]

Seems to be a manufacturing error because almost every 3.6 from dodge has the same problem..they have revise the engine in these past few year so it not as common on 2017 and up

[@paul91124]

@@xCHAV0x Thanks a lot.

[@sprinter35000]

How many miles were on that engine?

[@xCHAV0x]

127k I believe

[@manuelornelas-xl4ib]

Dogo Go Goback

[@gnd111]

Thats not a VVT failure....its chinese roller rocker needle bearing failing. The collect in your oil pan also..lol..ask me how i know. Newest revision is AH in the part number

[@patrickmclaughlin6013]

well, we know you don't like the 3.6's

[@xCHAV0x]

Actually I love them..they bring in lots of customers!

[@patrickmclaughlin6013]

@@xCHAV0x it seems that way I get the impression you could set up a shop dedicated to just swapping out those cam followers, lifters, phasers, and resealing that plastic thing with the oil cooler, and do very well.

[@manuelornelas-xl4ib]

Go back

[@jraider43]

Vvt*