Does Adobe Really Think We’re That Stupid? (I Want You to Know What I Know)

[@ronoc9]

Adobe: Copying our data is theft. Copying your data is great.

[@marikothecheetah9342]

Obviously :D

[@Hynotama]

That’s every company. Just look at the games industry. You buy our game, piracy is illegal!!! But it’s totally legal to make Diablo 4 into a live service for no reason, rip you off for all your worth and when we’re done, we shut down the servers and you love access to the game you spend money on.

[@djd34d14]

Copying your data is our new business model

[@rightOrWrongMyContry]

Coping your data is out right, since you're using our software.

[@Hynotama]

@@rightOrWrongMyContry renting* as in paying for it.

[@Mr.Greedy1001]

Clip Studio Paint was going to add AI but the community said no, and the listened. I’m happy supporting a company that values what it’s users want.

[@toad1971]

I didn't know this. I have Clip Studio installed but have yet to learn it. I will definitely will start learning it and using it and support them as a company.

[@why.do.I.even.try.]

I think they should add it like Krita did. We need to be on top of new advancements even if we condemn parts of them. Last thing we want is lazy mfs taking art jobs from us using ai because we refused to use it, even in a somewhat ethical manner.

[@M1d.n1ght]

​@why.do.I.even.try. Krita has AI!?? Would you mind explaining a bit what's going on there? It's the program I use and now I'm getting paranoid..

[@why.do.I.even.try.]

@@M1d.n1ght Do you see a reply because I don't, and I know I answered wth... I'll repeat what I said, no it doesn't have integrated ai, you'd have to download stable diffusion on your computer and then a plug in to connect it to Krita, the get base models and loras from sites like civitai. Krita respects us enough to leave it up to us whether to use it or not.

[@lebro4401]

​@M1d.n1ght It more of an addon I think

[@thebradcolbow]

There will be courses taught in business schools for decades about how Adobe pissed away so much of their customers good will.

[@nalublackwater9729]

Not only Adobe, but all companies which have been scrapping copyrighted material from all over the internet to try to sell snake oil.

[@FourPeaksFilms]

For sure. I have been using Macromedia and Adobe for 20 + years now. Crazy to cancel my account for the first time. Your latest video captured it well. We all use to be such champions for Adobe and they have really taken advantage of that.

[@Charles_Bro-son]

We're at a point where I have to fight off the intrusive practices of companies whose products I use, tech being at the forefront. It's tiresome and I wonder how they'd discuss this effect on customers in business and marketing. My reaction is to back off from their offerings, no thanks. That can't be their goal, then again I might belong to a minority. Greets Brad, your reviews are dope! ps. it's like you pointed out in one of your videos recently - the image of the good guy tech company just doesn't fly any more. For a good reason it seems.

[@nalublackwater9729]

Not only this company but all the others who have fallen for the current scam

[@slvrcross]

brad ily

[@DolphinConsult]

I taught Photoshop and InDesign for many years. When they switched to a subscription model, I (and my customers) left Adobe in favor of the Affinity suite - and I never looked back.

[@Curzec]

Years ago I happened to be at a gaming industry conference where an Adobe representative excitedly announced that their software was switching to a subscription model. I have never been in a room that dead silent since. The sense of betrayal was palpable.

[@steveh8658]

God, wish I was there. After due respect for my fellow creators shock, I would have broken the silence with raucous laughter followed by scathing derision. But in reality...years ago...I simply cancelled my subscription and never looked back.

[@Dinoslay]

I can imagine.

[@alexaiz7521]

The sec a company tries to xxx ppl i see it as invitation for reciprocation

[@SuperWolfkin]

on a scale of one to "Do You Guys Not Have Phones?" how awkward was it?

[@ZethsCraftDesk]

If I had been there, I'd have declared, "Welp, I'm out!" and left immediately.

[@twilightthepony]

I talked to a friend of mine that bought Photoshop CS5 or so. We were trying to figure out what actually changed, aside of "AI" in Photoshop in the time since then, and came to conclusion: Nothing. Hell; they were even proud of introducing watermark removal tool. Watermark. Removal. Tool. For artists! You know! Arrrrr tists?

[@Mrhellslayerz]

Lol, they made a watermark removal tool? Good luck If a watermark is hard-baked into the overall design of a picture!

[@meghanachauhan9380]

​@@Mrhellslayerzisn't removing watermarks illegal?

[@Mrhellslayerz]

@@meghanachauhan9380 Unfortunately, no

[@Frozen_Death_Knight]

The only things I can remember Adobe adding that were useful for artists since the CS days were symmetry for brushes, lazy mouse for smoother line work, canvas flipping that doesn't create history states, and toggling greyscale for your canvas. Besides that it is near identical in terms of workflow. No wonder the competition has been able to catch up and even surpassing Photoshop in several areas. Moved to Affinity years back and despite being much smaller it has been able to add basically all of those previously mentioned features from Photoshop in the span of 6 years that I have been using it. To say that Adobe are lazy would be an understatement.

[@Mrhellslayerz]

@@meghanachauhan9380 It should be, but many techbros are about as respectful of boundaries as murderers are to life.

[@naodmulu1080]

Just wanna take a moment to remind everyone BLENDER is the best thing that ever happened to Artists of our age.

[@umpoucodetudoealgumacoisa]

And following their example Krita and Inkscape also matured! The future of Free and Open Source Software is brighter than ever

[@Dave102693]

@@umpoucodetudoealgumacoisaI can’t wait for Kdenlive to mature as well. I just downloaded it last week to use until I’m 100% sure my laptop can run DaVinci Resolve. I though my computer could run Unreal Engine and it couldn’t so I’m more cautious of what can run my system now and Kdenlive looks like Premiere anyways which is great for me at the moment

[@litjellyfish]

Why? And what is our age?

[@crisgriffin3042]

Why? Because it is made so hard to learn for no apparent reason? Their UI designer must be very kinky sadist.

[@naodmulu1080]

@@litjellyfish because Autodesk

[@grunt22]

My son recently finished art college and I bought him the Affinity suite now his free access to Adobe is gone. He's loving it!!

[@LarrysLibrary]

I am so over AI. I have zero use for it. I don't need it for my photos and I don't need it to sort my files.

[@HarleyArtStudio]

I understand your point of view but lets be honest, how many artists use these Ai tools as reference as well. Ai failed when it started to steal from artist to trained their Ai tools and never crediting the actual artist themselves. These corporate thugs don't give 2 sh*ts about artist, that's why is crucial for us artist to let the world know how they're worth.

[@Gamingpandacat]

@@HarleyArtStudio I've referenced these AI images not knowing they're AI to find myself 10 minutes in with horrible anatomy and having to look up other references instead, we just have a surplus of information and all search engines are either clogged or replaced with chat gpt

[@oo0Spyder0oo]

But plenty do and that’s their market, it’s why they introduced it and are still selling it.

[@DovahViking]

It always amazes me how unintelligent and disgraceful CEOs of HUGE companies are, they somehow always manage to make some of the worst decisions possible. Ubisoft, EA, Adobe, Microsoft, Apple, OpenAI, Discord, Twitter/X, Google, I could go on and on.

[@stephangauthier911]

Market manipulation, lobbying, collusion/corruption...

[@Metal-Spark]

Think I'm gonna 'scrape' an older version of photoshop from the internet to train my biological LLM

[@michaelwest4594]

Right, they do it to us, might as well do it to them.

[@3polygons]

Pirating their app is keep using their tools. They are happier with that than people think, as anyway companies typically need to have licensed software. That's how they got the monopoly and why they did not fight too hard against it (decades ago), until they saw the moment for a fully monopolistic position. My solution is using other tools: Affinity, Rebelle, PaintStorm Studio, Clip Studio, Photoline, Inkscape, etc.

[@Spamkromite]

Is like they say, if buying or subbing is not owning, then piracy is not stealing.

[@maiamystia]

Been using CS2 and CS6 for many years..... for free.

[@1-eye-willy]

i train LLM's for a living, and we use a process called "data annotation" and all i can say about it is, with the way these models are being implemented into every modern piece of software, you might want to hold onto that older, pirated version of photoshop. the industry is going through a bubble, an "AI bubble" and when it pops its going to put alot of companies out of business.

[@Otaku1811]

I switched to Clip Studio years ago, never looked back. Clip studio has 3d poseable models, webcam to pose your hand to a 3d model, tons of brushes, blendable colors, and it literally can do everything photoshop can do for digital art, but better. I'm done with Adobe.

[@PhreakPhantom]

I live for the PROCESS of making my art...not the final result. The PROCESS heals me, guides me, elevates me.... it's literally where my mental health finds it's confortable, warm and cozy place.

[@Tubeytime]

Careful, I fixed my mental health and now drawing doesn't bring me nearly as much joy.

[@rhythmandblues_alibi]

This is what I wish people who don't draw/paint/sculpt/etc could understand.

[@EdoDave]

​@@rhythmandblues_alibiRelevant examples might help. Raising a child vs adopting a fully formed adult. No one actually wants to raise a child. No one cares about watching the child grow up, giving knowledge and guidance, all that pesky parenting stuff. What the people want is the end result, so here's a 30 year old, [insert prompt here] who will call you mom/dad, and only in a few minutes instead of 30 years of effort. Sounds great doesn't it?

[@oneworldfamily]

@@EdoDave Great analogy!

[@annassromova4197]

cute but this conversation is about professionals who are having their work stolen by adobe

[@ArtyWvideos]

As an illustrator who has used photoshop since before Adobe introduced layers in version 3.0 I totally concur with everything said in this video. From the cost, to the brush engine and key features which haven’t changed in decades. None of the feature requests I’ve made over the years have ever come to fruition (apart from rotate canvas😆) and Adobe’s push to implement AI without making a strong stance to protect their own user base is a historic mistake, greed over empathy. Which even some Adobe employees are airing concerns. Great video👍🏼

[@liolio4945]

Good luck for Adobe to convince Disney and Warner that all their visual development ideas for their next movies can be used to fed their AI without paying them

[@BoneLonesome]

You can bet 100% these rules will not apply to large corporations. They are not that stupid and know who has the money to sue them.

[@jaxkk1119]

Most 'AI' companies already did that without even asking, just prompt 'Mickey mouse' in those AI image generator and see what you got

[@marikothecheetah9342]

Wasn't it established though, in U.S. law at least, that anything created with AI is not eligible to copyright? If yes and Adobe sells these in their stock, welp...

[@marikothecheetah9342]

@@jaxkk1119 Mickey Mouse is in public domain, Disney can to a sh*te about it.

[@jaxkk1119]

@@marikothecheetah9342 only the one in '1928 Steamboat Willie', not the current version of mickey mouse

[@Poncholives]

Fingers crossed that Affinity gets to shine more nowadays

[@jdawgtor]

Shoutout to Krita for destroying Photoshop when it comes to features, and being completely free! 👏

[@raioh4747]

I'm a poor person in a poor country, I've been using Krita since the day I won my drawing pad and I have no complaints, can't recommend it enough

[@marikothecheetah9342]

And more artists are using it. Also Krita respects its community, listens to artists and adds features regularly. They host user's galleries and they do care about both the app and community, so it is a good experience for it.

[@limbs1052]

Thank you for shout out about Krita. Krita was the reason why I dare move to linux to become anime artist on Linux.

[@oOLareOo]

I was using the last perpetual Photoshop (CS6 Extended) there was before it was changed to subscription service. I used it until I started having problems with driver compatibility with newer drawing display and Windows itself. My bf proposed an idea to transition over to Linux, so we began searching a program for my drawing needs that would be usable on both OS, to try it out first and eventually keep using when we get to Linux. Eventually I was met with Krita and it has won me over hands down with all its built in brushes and features. Surely it's not as polished, but it has given me actually more tools to work with. Now I don't even miss Photoshop anymore. The only downside so far is the feature to add text layers. For some reason it will not scale the fonts up, no matter what I try and it keeps the text around 10pt or smaller. Hopefully future updates will make this feature easier and usable. I've been using Krita for painting and vector illustration. Can fully recommend.

[@tropistan7735]

🎉I'm an open source girlie myself. Krita, gimp, Inkscape, you name it lol

[@withlovepersephone8796]

Also the adobe subscription cancellation fees are insane for the annual “plans” It’s so messed up that they charge you extra if you cancel earlier and it’s not even explained well in their website. You’re basically stuck with their plans for an entire year even if you want to cancel. I think they are getting sued for this.

[@AdamDuffArt]

I heard about that 45 mins after posting this video, insane!

[@PutMeDownPlease]

If you change your plan to another it will cancel your current plan immediately and (for free) and start the new one. Then you cancel that one right away and since that is within the first 14 days you can cancel that for free. Little loophole if you need to get out of their hellscape.

[@anka_art7372]

no adobe doesnt think we are stupid, they just know that we are non violent.

[@nannuartworks5812]

Are we? I spent 22 years in the Navy. I am anything but non violent.

[@anka_art7372]

@@nannuartworks5812 well youre free to say you arent. However,for reasons, i have to say that i do not condone violence against these corpo creatures no matter how funny i would find it.

[@HarleyArtStudio]

haha, as the great 2Pac Shakur "an artist" once said, quote " I ain't a killah but don't push me"

[@Dexter01992]

@@HarleyArtStudio Artists are usually "that nerd that doesn't react to being punched until it finally explodes and doesn't stop till nobody around it is able to walk anymore."

[@catheroldart]

@@Dexter01992 100%

[@vickypedia1308]

Clip Studio Paint is probably my favorite art program. I'm a bit concerned about the new subscription model, but... I still have my perpetual license so I think I'll live. When you get familiar with CSP it quickly becomes apparent that it was made for artists. The amount of quality of life features it has are great, and I always miss them when I use other programs (which I do occasionally). Vector layers are an absolute highlight, because in CSP, they function like raster layers, you can use all your brushes the normal way, but then you can also edit the lines and use the clean vector eraser. It's amazing and really speeds up the lineart process. Features like these were made specifically with manga and comic artists in mind, which is great for me because that's exactly my niche. But even digital painters will find something great here with realistic color mixing and good painting brushes. You can even import your fancy Photoshop brushes and they'll work exactly the same in CSP! They also have animation, 3d model references... Sorry for the advertisement, I really do love Clip Studio. If you're a digital artist programs like CSP or Krita are miles better than Photoshop.

[@storymaxart]

Rank it from "dystopian robots take all joy from human endeavour" to "I'm so excited to be a lazy button clicker"

[@3polygons]

...ending with ... "I got distracted with the graphic prompting toy until realized the toy went after my job, too, while I was laughing at others, swearing that it wouldn't not affect me".

[@storymaxart]

@@3polygons damn right

[@noiJadisCailleach]

Photographer: huh?

[@Billy.Bacsko]

I remember dropping PS for a few years and being totally happy with Sketchbook Pro... until that app got sunsetted and then sold. Then it was back to Adobe. I was very unhappy that day.

[@acailawenart]

0/10. I can’t even rate the integration of generative AI because it’s infuriating. It’s an insult to those of us who have (begrudgingly) been Adobe product users for decades. After 25+ years of using Adobe products professionally, and 33 years specifically using Photoshop, I’m completely over Adobe’s bullshit.

[@ralphwarom2514]

:D Imagine paying an anual subscription to create work that is fed into adobe to create a bot to replace you. Man. Adobe is mentally wild. Screwing over the artists that made you successful.

[@lianifire]

I've been trying not to think about all the money I've fucking given to them all these years, when I could have gotten a perpetual license from some other program instead, only for them to screw me over like this. Pisses me off to no end.

[@nicadom]

Thanks Adam, it voiced so many of my own frustrations. It’s so annoying how I need photoshop and illustrator for my workflow and because it’s “the standard” and because so many of my clients use it it’s hard to use/find alternatives. That being said I’m very excited when other programs show there updates and features. really hope to one day make the switch to something else

[@suburbanview]

The Goverment just sued Adobe for charging extra payments, and for making costumer hard to unsubscribe

[@umairasif15]

Their stock increased 15% after new TOS and drop like 0.5% after they got sued, so sadly they are here to stay and too big to give f

[@Freeformax]

I’m trying to unsubscribe. They keep offering two free months. I think I just have to pull my payments even if it means cancelling a bank card

[@BrunodeSouzaLino]

Though the real reason is the US Government uses Adobe software and they have no interest in having their private data being tossed around or used to train AI. The financial aspect is just a good excuse which also serves as a cover up.

[@suburbanview]

@@BrunodeSouzaLino Ah the good old corruption thing, never goes away dosent atter Who is in charge: Red or Blue. Plus a military system that controls the country. Pretty much a third world country.

[@ThatBugBehindYou]

But sadly it's limited to that, the exploitation of it's users with datamining is still new and probably won't be addressed until after the current suit unless a class action is created by the users for this, WHICH THEY SHOULD.

[@KarriKoivusalo]

I got an ad for Adobe generative AI for this view, with the jingle lyrics going something like "I won't stop at nothing, won't be a one thing, bring it; it's coming, just watch". Have to say there is something amazing how bold and brash their tone deafness is getting.

[@TheToastyTiger]

Ironically it seems like Adobe cares more about appeasing the non-creatives (who would want to be able to type into AI to create something) than the creatives.

[@jasonvaughan5128]

I’m a creative. I use Ai as a tool, not a replacement. It’s incredible. It is what it is.

[@Dave102693]

And they can use Krita for the ai bs via Stable diffusion plugins

[@NioNyo]

Been using photoshop since elementary because of my dad and my only gripe as to why i'm hesitant to switch to other software is that i have to learn the thing from scratch and get used to it... like i have clip studio paint sitting on my pc and when i tried using it was great, but i couldn't give a f time to learn all the features.

[@pixelgoat7317]

As an artist, it frustrates me that people that are not artists tell me how 'reactionary' and 'intolerant' I am of AI when I fear the loss of human agency in the creative process...my art teacher pushed back against me as well, saying that all art comes from a 'creative soup' anyway. Argh!

[@storymaxart]

That's the drawback of academic people in general, from what I observed. I graduated in architecture design field, and people were rather delusional. Not to scold and generalize, but it's easy to have hopes that something will turn out well if you're not part of the damaged group. And academic people have a solid and secure position.

[@TenTenJ]

@@storymaxartprecisely

[@TenTenJ]

Unlike Adam, teachers are often jaded professionals. Don’t listen to jaded cynical people, they will destroy your life.

[@LoScrittoreDivergente]

@@storymaxartitis the same thing in the writing world: academics and people teaching “creative writing” are almost all embracing AI and say they are here and you cannot avoid it. If you look at what they wrote in the past is nothing valuable (or nothing at all!), but they teach young people their BS. As a writer myself since 30 years I have many professional creatives among my friends, many of them illustrators: I’m with you since the beginning of this crap. Unfortunately I have a bad theory on how it will end… (thinking about writing a distopic novel on the topic). Anyway, wherever you look, 99% of the people who loves AI coming into creative processes are unable to create anything good. That’s why they love AI! As simple as that.

[@storymaxart]

@@LoScrittoreDivergente @LoScrittoreDivergente well said. They say it can't be avoided because they didn't bother analyzing the problem thinking about solutions. Everything can be summed up as status quo and "it is what it is", but that's lazy. I'm writing a comic about the whole thing, currently setting up social media to share some of the processs and drawings

[@llynhunter]

Thank you for those cathartic moments Adam!!! I put aside a 2012 mac mini that I don't attach to the web for my Adobe CS6 suite programs with an OS I don't update. Everything there works fantastically (and, I agree, have all of them have barley changed in 10 years). Also, any of the files I create on the old programs will migrate to the newer programs with no problem; If I need layers I just save the originals as .tiff files.

[@seri-ously8591]

I haven’t used Adobe products for more than a decade, when I saw the creative cloud suite, my mind just went, “This will be hell.” Still correct, and I’ve been using the alternatives that offers the same functions. Unfortunately, the saying, “it’s always morally right to pirate Adobe” is still true.

[@storymaxart]

We should make a marketing slogan out of it. "Pirate Adobe? Be like Kenobi! Use the force to take what's yours"

[@3polygons]

It is much better to use the alternatives. And not particularly for keeping it civil and legal (but also), but because if we keep using their tools, we are still in the trap. Also, I like Clip Studio Paint, Rebelle and PaintStorm more than PS for painting.

[@lucadipaolo1997]

@@3polygons totally. We won't take Adobe out of their industry standard pedestal if we continue using it, even if it's pirated.

[@TheArtMentor]

0/10 for firefly. I’ve been thinking the same things Adam, thanks for saying it. They aren’t making decisions for long term users, are they? Also why I still use photoshop 2021 lol

[@dIABadBoy]

The blatant display of untamed corporate greed and hubris this year is just ubelievable. Great talk, as usual, Adam.

[@Book-Mark]

Minus 5! Started at Photoshop 3 and 4, abandoned it at CS2. Do I miss it, no. "Bring out the Gimp". Great, honest vid.

[@thecolonel8144]

the big problem is that every design company wants you to be a pro with the adobe suite in order to get a job (at least in my country). if you dont know how to use adobe, you wont get the job. they dont care if you are a pro in other vector or raster software, its ridiculous, its like a cult.

[@3polygons]

This is true. The advice of trashing Adobe for ever is mostly for freelancers, artists that are making an independent career, and small business owners that don't need the whole Adobe trap.

[@thisnthat42]

This is my problem at the moment. I am a student so I don’t know where I’m going to end up but browsing job listings being familiar with the Creative Suite is required. So I stay subscribed while I try and learn as much as I can while the software is at student rates. If I knew I didn’t need it I’d switch to something like Affinity but at the moment I need to keep my options open and need to be able to have those things on my CV.

[@3polygons]

@@thisnthat42 To be completely honest, I advice every student I meet both in "real life" and online to always master and LASER focus on the industry standard software. Whether you decide later on one route or another, you are in the *key moment* to prepare and fine tune your skills, to study. Don't over worry about jobs, focus on getting very good with the industry standard software. If later on you find a way to work as a freelancer (which is a hard life, BTW) and happen to find it more fun to work with Affinity tools, or other mid/low cost tools, you won't have lost anything! . As the industry standard applications have the wider range of features and professional workflows. Learning that WELL will make you more than capable to super easily transfer that knowledge and workflows to ANY alternative software. You will be up to speed with other tools in no time. Nobody told me this back in the day and it would have been useful, as learning the basic main skills/software later on can become more complicated. Plus, you get bad habits. So, yep, in your specific case I would prioritize the industry standard applications (Adobe suite in 2D (video, DTP editing, image editing, etc), Maya (this one for animation) or Max in 3D, together with Zbrush and Substance 3D painter). Also, there are a bunch of fields: Video games, DTP design (publishing, printing stuff, but dunno how long that will survive), design for both the web and apps (a bit of the UI/UX route, then...which as a freaking entire world, specially UX has more to do with a multidisciplinary person that handles lots of statistics, psychology, team management, and many other non visual/graphics matters, and it's a must in that field), film industry and/or TV, just illustration (quite tough now, with AI, but not impossible), comic (tough business to survive, good for a side activity)... To name some of the main ones. Each field has different requirements, but usually require like 4 to 5 main tools that you need to master *really well*. I would say that speaking only of 2D fields, most do benefit from heavily training in Photoshop, Illustrator, After Effects, Premiere and InDesign. You master all those (it can be done, in some years), and you open to a lot of jobs possibilities, many fields have in common these tools as the key ones. Me, I handle at a professional level Photoshop and Illustrator, any painting software (I have purchased like everything mid cost out there) a bit Premiere, and basically anything 3D. I don't need to learn more, it's about "doing" projects (which always involve more learning), and definitely no need to keep tied to Adobe, been without their apps since many years. Even while Photoshop is second nature for me, due to the jobs. I have from time to time launched a trial, and when using PS I now miss the artists focused UIs and more comfy ways of doing of newer alternative software. But I am a 100% independent freelance artist, I am NOT in the situation of a student, or anyone with no experience yet, and willing to get a foot in the industry. To all of them I recommend the above. It's a need, I deeply dislike it, but for people willing to go the way of working in the industry, it's _almost_ the only chance. I got picked very early on by companies by my art skills (indeed I come from traditional painting, I'm quite older than most people in this kind of channel) , previous to mastering any pro software (digitally painting wasn't a thing in early times), but I was super lucky, and today I think that the job market is too crowded for that.

[@Skeware]

This is the truth. As long as Adobe is considered the standard in the industry, they will keep on with this madness

[@3polygons]

​@@thisnthat42 KZbin keeps deleting my comments for absolutely no reason. But a TLDR version of what I recommended: Just keep mastering the industry standard software: total priority!. It's a monopoly and all, but it's the only option if your plan is to work at a company. The advice we say of "trash them" is mostly for full time freelancers like me (I anyway learned the entire suite at companies since decades ago) that don't have clients requiring full compatibility with the suite, or people doing freelancing as a side job, hobbyists, or fully independent artists that make an OK or good living just from their art because they have their following, clients, or etc, and don't depend on any standard software (which is ideal, but a number of people can do it).

[@JohnJBoulet]

Mixing pigments was an option on Deluxe Paint V on Amiga, in the early 90's. Still not on photoshop.

[@JohnJBoulet]

And my rate for IA: 00

[@AdamDuffArt]

TRUE!!! I forgot about that!

[@MasterChron]

1 - Creation which did not involve my journey, and my expression, is not my own. People (usually people who are less creative) can fool themselves into thinking producing something generically pretty, quickly, could be good enough. But in the long run the hollow trash pile of meaninglessness grows and sticks out like a sore thumb. We knew this before AI, and it's still true now.

[@TylerEdlin84]

There’s nothing new I can add to do this but I do want to do my part and make an awareness video. I’d only use to recommend Adobe. Now I want to spread the word on thier competitors

[@RenDrawsWarbirds]

Ren with the aeroplanes here. I was actually hoping to hear you weigh in on this, so thanks for your insight! I ditched Photoshop (and the rest of Adobe) a few years back when my old computer broke and my old CS5 license wouldn't run on my new computer and I was too broke to afford a monthly subscription to anything. Switched to Clip Studio Paint, got in on massive sale, and as a comic book artist, never looked back. And honestly, I've discovered over time that CSP has a few quality of life features that makes my art process so much easier. That convert brightness to opacity feature is a life saver when working with scanned drawings, among other things. As for Photoshop's new AI features... On a scale from 1 to 10, how about negative ten or somewhere in that ballpark? Imagine telling someone you're a digital artist who use Photoshop, only for someone to think you just prompt an AI to generate your paintings for you. Ew. Likely, the only people who ever asked for it were investors on the AI hype train.

[@marikothecheetah9342]

Clip Studio Paint is the best tool for comics. You can alternatively look into Medibang but it doesn't have that user friendly features as Clip Studio paint. Still - it's a good alternative and I recommend both.

[@MagdalenaMantler]

As we are working for several big clients who send their original data in Adobe formats it's not really suitable to change the tools... but on the other hand, I don't really care if the rip off clients CD and layouts, which are mostly a given. in my private time right now I don't do digital art right now gladly, I am more into traditional printing right now. I am really glad that this thematic gets discussed so vividly on the internet, so big companies need to answer questions and get under a bigger radar. Thanks for the video.

[@jamilacreates]

I'm in fashion and I've used Adobe since school. I liked the ai in Photoshop at first, it was awesome to remove the background on my product photos so quickly, but honestly, I think I only liked it because Photoshop's selection tool was garbage in the first place. I don't consider my product photos to be art so much as a neccessary chore though. For everything else I used Adobe for I didn't need or use the ai features. Because you're right; I don't want ai designing clothes for me, creating patterns for me, drawing for me, or even making sewing patterns for me. I changed to Affinity and I'm so happy to have done so. A monthly subscription to 3D pattern making apps is $10 less than Adobe and that just seems silly to me. I've found so far that Affinity can do everything I need so far.

[@mikeyboii1971]

New subscriber here, thank you so much for making this video, I’m not a digital artist as yet as I paint and draw the old fashioned way and recently have worked out what to do with my large body of work. I was loosing faith as I was an adobe user for years to format my work for clothing prints etc. After watching your excellent video my motivation had been restored and will look into the alternative options. ❤

[@djkimotei]

Affinity Photo & Affinity Designer !

[@Yohao88]

YES

[@Skeware]

I've been considering that... It's a shame what Adobe is doing and forcing us to do

[@electrosaurus]

50% off currently. They know what they are doing,

[@pixpusher]

@@Skeware It's 50% off now. Been using it for 2 weeks and the transition was easy.

[@ElaineLombardo]

Just asked Adam his opinion on Affinity Suite as a viable desktop replacement for Adobe. Since you're an avid user, what are your thoughts? I want to leave Adobe but am scared I'm going to lose access to years of my work if I want to open them, reprint them, modify them, etc. Or if maybe there will be things I can't do for clients like I easily find I can do within Illustrator for example. I feel like a hostage.

[@NDakota79]

I'm not a digital artist, I'm a amateur photographer and I do a bit of Typography. But I love to hear your perspective on things because of your honesty. And you're right: I only need Lightroom, Photoshop and Indesign, but Adobe forces all those other apps down my throat. They are bullying people into buying their whole suite. And I can't change apps. The opportunity costs are too high. My workflow, all my presets, the online resources… There is no way around it for me. I tried but I failed.

[@noisetin]

Finally Adobe getting some worldwide flak. Maybe this is a tipping point for some changes in the good direction.

[@3polygons]

I can't be optimistic with them at this point... too many times I hoped "this is the time they change...! ". Years and years.

[@noisetin]

@@3polygons Unfortunatelly I have to agree with you 🥲

[@MillyKKitty]

The good direction is finding the non-adobe path

[@flo.motion]

10... welcome to the future... can think of anything better than having AI to assist me on stuff that is boring and time consuming and help.me be more creative... and yes I am aprofessional creative!!

[@3polygons]

@@flo.motion A painter or illustrator?

[@tonytins]

When I used Photoshop 7, at the time, it was always to add extra effects in my artwork made in Flash Pro (before Macromedia was acquired by Adobe) was incapable of doing itself. It was a bit of compromise because I was still learning the latter, at the time. My friend I used to know somehow managed to make really nice artwork in it, but I could never wrap my head around because I always saw it the way Adobe treated it as.

[@mikalmakesart]

As soon as I heard the news I got rid of Photoshop and cancelled my subscription. I've also been using Clip Studio Paint and I like it better than Photoshop. A lot of the tools that artists use, CSP has with some additional bonuses like being able to add in a 3D model and change its pose to your liking. Also I've been taking online courses to improve my art and a lot of the teachers use Photoshop and I use CSP and I'm still able to follow along. One last thing is that CSP allows you to buy a version of the app without doing the subscription and you don't get the latest updates but whenever you're ready you can just buy the updates. It doesn't update that often either but you can also decide for yourself whether you want the update or not.

[@3polygons]

I did that a while ago for all my freelancing. I purchased other non subscription tools (I do get CSP through the permanent license, which has been kept for so long that I'd say is safe to state that it's not going away) like Rebelle (I love traditional painting), PaintStorm Studio, PaintTool SAI, Photoline (mostly image editing, I paint with it, too), Inkscape for vectors (Xara Designer Pro for final output of those), and also I use Blender for all my 3D, and Davinci Resolve for video editing. Really not only not missing anything; I do prefer the joy and freedom in these tools. This while I worked professionally with Photoshop for many years... since 1995 till 2013 at companies, that's some time! :)

[@3polygons]

​@GHOSTSTARSCREAM Are you referring to me? I mostly used Adobe software at companies.

[@3polygons]

@GHOSTSTARSCREAM Fair enough.

[@MaxPuliero]

look at what they did to the substance package, before adobe they used to release 3 or 4 updates per year, MASSIVE updates, now they are releasing a single mild disappointing update per year. too bad there is not yet a valid alternative out there.

[@IceKulangot]

10/10, the news is life changing, it's helped me realize that I made the right choice by choosing CSP over photoshit 😂

[@Sandcat]

haha same

[@jackspring7709]

CSP is great: been using it for a few years now - the brushes are far superior to Photoshop's and even the free blender brushes you can download from the site are phenomenal.

[@Chejov1214]

Love you man! Thanks for this vid.. a question/suggestion/idea (?) ..how about one day to make a vid about how visual arts specially drawing /painting contribute to human development in society,.. im not saying it should be a topic about human brain -consciousness- psychology etc.. but still , artist like myself and others I’ve been In touch with seems to have this kind of mmm diminishing undervalued cloud (?) over and around,.. but by the other hand visual arts specifically 2d drawing and painting through the skills a human artist learned they give humans ,society so much,.. and now this thing about ai scraping art co. Investing millions to what ? To generate images ? (I know its not the only goal but im trying to stay inside the art topic). Maybe human art human artistic envisions, the process making art the experience of doing it like u said ,.. sometimes through a question ,somentimes with already an answer sometimes finding a way to how to shout it better .. in digital painting or traditional.. maybe we are more powerful and what we do is more important than we comprehend (?). Sorry i deviated from a friendly proposal idea (maybe a dumb one idk) to a rant . -____-u

[@med-2014]

I've been using Krita and Blender for the last year as an independent artist. Never needed Photoshop.

[@TamarMebonia]

Same here! Started with Maya and Photoshop, switched to Blender and Krita when the corporate greed got too much. Perks of being self employed, I guess. We choose our tools of trade and it turns out, there are some darn good tools out there 🤩

[@justguy-4630]

I use both too.

[@enchanterthetim]

Spicy Adam! I like it! I don't care for AI in my PS. BUT to give it a generous read, i do think there are people making terrible ads and super cheap designs that will love it. It can replace objects, and expand your canvas to fit the right size. It's also a great tool for photographers. Like you said, this isn't a drawing artists tool anymore. They are not concerned with you. In Illustrator they have AI now to, and that's maybe a bit more interesting because you can prompt a vector image from nothing. Kind of crazy and I can see how someone could easily make some quick designs that way. BUT, are these tools for Designers making work for clients...or Artists who sell their artistic vision and aesthetic ?

[@thedabblingwarlock]

My rating: 1 I'm not a professional artist. I'm a web developer/admin, but I do have access to Adobe's Creative Cloud though my employer. When I heard about this, I uninstalled everything Adobe from my personal laptop and bought a license for the Affinity suite. I still use it for work, but I will not be using it for anything of mine, not after this. I think there is a place for AI/ML tools in the creation of art. I think even generative AI can be useful for exploring ideas and thumbnailing, but for just popping in a prompt and getting a final image at the end? No. Adobe could have done a lot to make its AI tools useful. Better selection tools, analysis tools that could help you figure out better compositions and potential problem areas. Tools that could help pick color palettes based on mood, subject, or any of a number of other criteria. But no, Adobe decided to invest in a generative AI that is no different from the likes of Midjourney and Stable Diffusion. Adobe, like far too many other companies, have gotten to the top and have rested on their laurels while getting fat and stupid. Instead of actually listening to the users, instead of asking themselves what would make our products better, they did the bare minimum and now they are about to face a wave of desertions, especially as legal teams in companies take a look at those terms and start asking, "hey, doesn't this mean that using Adobe software violates our NDAs?" I have a computer science degree. I am also fairly competent with mathematics. I may not be an expert on AI, but I know and understand enough to confidently say that what those generative AIs spit out is not art. It's the output of a Vector/probability equation that has been tuned on as much data as the developers can get their hands on. My definition of art is that it's something that makes you think. It's something that was created with the intention of sparking something with in the viewer's mind. AI "art" is just a series of visual tokens that have been selected to best match the prompt the program was given. It can't be art, there's no intention behind it. At best the prompt is a design brief. Funnily enough, this AI crapstorm reminded me of when I first found DeviantArt twenty years ago. There was a bit of a kerfluffle at the time about fractal artists. A lot of people were apparently saying that they weren't real artists since all they were doing was pushing a button. But having looked into that and messed around with programs like Apophysis myself, there's a lot more to it than just pressing a button. You're dealing with a complex set of variables and equations and making decisions based on what you see on screen. You're making adjustments and figuring out how all of these things interact. I can see AI techbros making a similar argument, but the difference here is that you're not really making any artistic/aesthetic decisions. You're giving input into a program that's a black box and picking whatever images it spits out. You have no active part in the creation of that image once you hit the go button. At best, you're acting like an art director, picking images that someone else made and making suggestions, but not actually making the image itself. Just like an art director doesn't get to claim credit for the work of the artists working under them, you don't get to claim credit for the image you picked out from the output of a computer program.

[@sketchframestudio]

thanks for this , as someone whos also pretty much only used adobe for my whole career its been frustrating and its great to hear more people talk on the side of just how little they care about folks and how long thats been the case. i think a lot of the younger artists are struggling to know if theres a way to open there psd /other adobe file extensions in other apps so they can save before abandoning. i havent really found any good videos on that so if there is a method to do so , would you be willing to do a video on the topic to help them transition between programs ?

[@Karrdeh]

I was struggling with the same thing. I found out both Clip Studio Paint and Krita can open psd files. However Krita didn't convert some later effects. In CSP I was also able to import my .abr brushes. Krita is free and CSP is a one time purchase.

[@Fightdemon]

Being a PSD user for 10 years, now switching to CSP. I'm in love with making a single payment and owning the program. Adobe never cared a shiet about artists in the first place

[@truthhc]

What's CSP?

[@foeofmediocrity]

@@truthhc Clip Studio Paint I believe

[@Fightdemon]

Clip studio paint, Adam mentioned on this vid

[@truthhc]

@@Fightdemon thanks! still watching the vid, was strolling through the comments. googled it before asking and only got Content Security Policy for some reason. thanks for the info, might switch over.

[@truthhc]

@@foeofmediocrity thanks!

[@elsevillaart]

What drives me crazy its that all clients want their file in PSD format, so if I'm using Clipstudio or Painter I have to use a format that Windows don't even care in giving us a thumbnail pick. So I had to rely on plugins and stuff. Oh my answer its -1.

[@sneakytails1724]

Its not just Adobe, its Microsoft now too with the newest Windows. They want to scrape your desktop and possibly files on your HD. I will be moving to a specialized "Art Box" PC that is OFFLINE ONLY as a result. I encourage others to do the same or go tablet, I fear tablets will not be far behind online PC's though.

[@ratglyph]

It might be daunting, but Linux is already an option. It mostly "just works" if you use Ubuntu or Mint. Is it a change from windows or mac? Yes. Are your painting app options limited? Yea. Krita works, but if you're working professionally, it probably won't do the job well enough for now. But honestly, fuck Microsoft's bullshit

[@sneakytails1724]

@@ratglyph Clip studio paint would be the one app I need the most to work for that OS. I will have to look into it.

[@bixclowart]

​@@ratglyphKrita is a relly good option, although I don't know if it will work at pro level, I am not one, but Peter Polach(apterus sabas) has used it in his latest illustrations and he is like God tier artist. And the beauty of Open source software is that when people star supporting them they start developing exponentiallly, because the funds are solelly for the development, not for the pockets of the owners, like the Blender case.

[@thisnthat42]

Ugh, I hate this. My life is not for sale so they can chop it up and sell it. It’s a 1984 nightmare that somehow we are supposed to just accept because our lives are reasonably comfortable and what do we have to moan about. It’s my files. You want to use them to train your algorithms then offer to pay me and I can tell you to p*ss off.

[@Window4503]

And then there’s the new AI for Apple. Kinda feels like these companies are closing in on us.

[@Video.Game.Company]

Really getting fed up with all the greed going around. I say we pretend this situation is like Helldivers II and we boycott the fear out of them, but ADOBE deserves significantly worse than SONY; they should lose everything! No forgiveness for cannibal capitalists, GOODBYE ADOBE! 👋

[@davidlcaldwell]

The FTC is currently investigating Adobe and two of its executives for deceiving customers by hiding early termination fees, etc. Adobe goes full Gangster.

[@Hopischwopi]

Big people are (almost) always gangster, they have the money to afford to work in gray areas. They have the people who tell them which lines they can afford to overstep and still make a profit in the end 😥.

[@junosquill]

I also teach digital illustration, and all my students use CSP. It's just so much better. I cancelled my Adobe Subscription this month and will also turn to CSP. Thank you for speaking out on this issue with the ramping greed of Adobe!

[@matthubelart]

Thank you for being a voice to my rage. It’s so gross to see how little they care about their users. If you want to see how little Adobe has tried to make a good app, I’d like to showcase the abomination that is the liquify tool. I think it’s been the same for a solid 20 years. Completely unusable. Then you jump into apps like CSP and Art Studio and liquify works just like a brush. I can liquify my 6k pixel canvas with zero lag, but Photoshop gives me a pop up window from 1998 that I can hardly navigate. This video made my day. Everything you said is exactly how I feel about them.

[@deusex9731]

the smudge tool

[@pablo-zn1mg]

I used to be excited for new photoshop updates. when you jumped from one version to the next it felt big, like just the thing we were waiting for. pre and early CS days. but ever since then I've been less and less excited, and inversely proportional, more and more annoyed at every update. I cancelled my adobe last year and If market allows me, I'll continue to be adobe free.

[@Amelia_PC]

I'm a comic book artist, illustrator (occasionally), and recently, an animator hobbyist. And I couldn't care less about Adobe. I find everything I need with free and open-source software like Krita, Blender, Unreal Engine, Quixel/Megascans, Audacity, Cascadeur (not free anymore), DaVinci Resolve, Nvidia Omniverse, Pencil 2D, the good old Sculptris, and a TON of add-ons. (I actually have a super old Photoshop CD that came with one of my first Wacoms, that's all I have from Adobe. Oh, yeah, and an Adobe PDF converter). Note: Krita has an AI integration, but only if you install the Stable Diffusion addon, which uses ControlNet and LoRA.

[@Amelia_PC]

@@ELECTR0HERMIT Yup. Indeed :)

[@ckmoore]

Absolutely agreed. If you haven't seen the writing on the wall yet, now's the time.

[@MarcoKrieger]

0/10 This was a very good and honest talk. I follow your channel for a couple of years now and next to what you show during your talks, I learned a lot about who I am and were I'm standing as an artist by listen to your talks. Since I can't afford Apple products, I chose a different approach. I use Linux as my OS and Krita as my painting application. Both are working very well, the Wacom tablet support is great and as the best part... it's free, like free beer and it's open source which means no big tech company will put it's greedy hands on it. The day I heart about the EULA update from Adobe and the CoPilot+ and Recall debacle from Microsoft, I knew I made a good decision to jump on Linux. Thanks for your good work, can't wait for new and hopefully more positive content. Greetings from Germany.

[@stco2426]

Very powerful, Adam. I've only vicariously seen the recent shennanigans with Adobe; more from the ToR / ToU etc. Good to hear the artistic perspective!

[@GraphiconOne]

Interest in A.I. - 1. Two words... Affinity Suite. Great brush tools, intuitive workflow, no subscription business model, seamless suite ecosystem. I switched from adobe five years ago... never looked back.

[@laurenragland5002]

I switched to Affinity as well 2 years ago. Love it ❤

[@DigitalBrooke]

Except CANVA just bought them wonder what’s gonna happen there?

[@LisaMarieFord]

@@DigitalBrookeMy questions exactly. Canva has yet to answer since they currently have AI.

[@alzamonart]

The Canva purchase also left me wondering about the future of Affinity but so far I haven't seen my experience changed or being shoved AI through it. (Knock on wood)

[@PhilChandlerArts]

I dropped Adobe a long time ago, but the only thing I did keep was Fresco since it was so much better than the Photoshop iPad app. I think it was something like only $12 a year, and I have been fairly impressed with it so far (for the type of work that I personally do). But since everything that's gone down with Adobe I'm not sure I want to keep it now... just because I'm so disgusted with Adobe. And like you said, there's SO many other great apps out there.

[@Slumberprince]

8 yrs ago my photographer wife tried to end her sub and the same thing happened. Month to month hid an annual subscriptions. We were super broke and ran in circles trying cancle it. We finally did, im not shocked they still have these awful practices in use. Later I wanted to try illustrator. Just wanted to learn freelance skills, make stickers on the side. And damn i had to pay out the ass for the whole suite

[@ITBahren]

Pirate it! At least then everything will work fine, you won't get extorted or tricked, you'll be worry free and actually own som😊ething for once. If that's the treatment you receive as a paying customer then they don't deserve your money or your support and you deserve to not have to worry about such clownery. If they don't like or want people pirating then maybe they shouldn't make the pirated version a thousand times better and safer to use than the paid service.

[@joshklingsheim]

Have you tried Affinity? They have a photoshop and illustrator equivalents. I have been using them instead of Adobe for almost a decade and it's great! Never looked back

[@3polygons]

@@ITBahren The problem is that the app (both the pirated and the legal versions) still puts all kind of quasi trojans and many processes that lower the overall PC performance, even when the app is not running. And more importantly, piracy is what allowed them to get to a monopolistic place: Lots of people, students, companies and whatnot, using the pirated versions, that's how they got an immense user base. I think it is much more radical and actually effective to use alternative software. Years ago that was not doable, but currently there is Clip Studio Paint, PaintStorm Studio, Rebelle, Photoline, PaintTool SAI, Open Canvas, etc, etc. Indeed, much more targeted for artists' use (Photoline is a full image editor more than a painting tool, but it is very useful for those aspects).

[@SkyfishArt]

Inkscape is just as good as illustrator and free.

[@The_Cold_Slither]

The Justice Department just filed a suit about their early cancellation fees.

[@froglaps40]

I just bought my first mirrorless camera. The r8, and one of the first things I did was look into getting photoshop. When I saw it was a subscription service, they lost my interest in their business. A subscription could be an option, but if I can't buy the program outright, it's a deal breaker! I don't need an extra monthly bill! Not to mention the screening of personal photos!

[@cloggedaorta]

Kyle T Webster resigned over a month ago. The writing has been on the wall

[@filipe.goulao]

yes he did? was it because of this kind of policy? Did someone read his newsletter?

[@phreaquetalk]

@@filipe.goulao He wrote an article, and he's made several comments on his Cara account. Pretty vague but you can read between the lines

[@alzamonart]

When I read the news straight from his newsletter I felt sort of relieved. Kyle is a rather amicable person and something may have turned very sour at Adobe for him to decide resigning. Anyway he's free again now.

[@beyondblender]

100% agree with your observations and advice. Sadly, I have to use PS as part of my career. My experience is one of immense frustration. In my own time, I've invested in the Affinity suite of products, and experience there is the polar opposite to Adobe's products. Keep fighting the good fight!

[@CammieRacing]

I love this guys energy. After Effects is the only reason Adobe kept me trapped due to clients having to hand me AE project files but those days have come to an end.

[@zayndesign]

Also stuck in an AE cycle. What program if I may ask did you switch to? I’ve looked into dozens but as an animator I’m not quite sure on any of them yet.

[@jasonosmun]

As a veteran professional multimedia designer with 30 years of experience, I transitioned to Affinity, Blender, Houdini, and DaVinci Resolve in 2018 and haven't looked back since. Compared to these alternatives, Adobe products fall short-this comes from someone who used them for over 20 years. The only program I miss is After Effects, but Fusion and Unreal Engine are impressive substitutes, arguably even better. What substitute are you using?

[@soirema]

So davinci fusion for after effect? ​@@jasonosmun

[@soirema]

I kinda feel like nothing can beat After Effects thou...

[@soirema]

Btw, ypu think Photshop is prehistoric?? Have you seen FUCKING MOTION BUILDER??? I have seen cinema realised production using that piece of garbage, because it has 0% comptetition!

[@LadypinkBanana]

I am using CS6 for years and there is nothing you need more as an Artist, compared to the newest version. Thx for sharing!

[@KillerTacos54]

Thanks for making this video. What makes me glad is that after so many years of basically no competition, Adobe is finally starting to get some. Whether it be DaVinci Resolve or Clip Studio Paint etc, they need to earn peoples’ trust back. And this certainly isn’t helping

[@literallymike_]

Let's not forget they also claim LICENSABLE RIGHTS to sell AI GENERATED CONTENT made from ingesting your work. I'm also convinced the dev teams of Illustrator, Photoshop, and Animate have never met, let alone spoken to each other.

[@literallymike_]

-500 FireflyAI. Thank you for putting it PERFECTLY.

[@jerryhunter1114]

Thank you for reminding us WHY we create art. The process is HUGE. No Mondrian or Picasso or Sargent, Chris Sanders or Keane without process. My boss, bless him, is absolutely gaga over all things AI and it is very tiresome.

[@davidbennett5354]

So I do not use cloud services. All my photos are stored locally on my external hard drives. Can they still use these? I do most of my editing offline and only go online when browsing the net??????

[@thomascunningham7552]

-5 excitement on AI in photoshop. It does nothing for my process except annoy me with "tips" and "demos" every time i open the app.

[@deusex9731]

also my pc tanked like shit after the latest update, because of all the ai features. To be fair this might be fixed be going to a previous version, but just the idea of this ai stuff being in there and therefore making my experience worse drives me up the wall

[@GenesisSoon]

9:46 that face is so relatable Edit: I just canceled my Adobe subscription

[@catheroldart]

The enshitification of Adobe is historic, and I think it should be memorialized as a lesson in corporate greed at the cost of consumer trust...not that corporations like Adobe EVER cared. I "Jack Sparrowed" a really old copy of PS (PS 6 I think) years ago before sucking it up and paying for the cheapest plan possible. I use my employer's company account now, but if things ever change, I will not go back. I have the full suite of Affinity's software, and Da Vinci Resolve for video editing, and that covers everything I need. Adobe has permanently lost me.

[@landonhartman4585]

I agree with everything you've said in this video. I am conflicted though because in my workflow and education process as an aspiring artist/graphic designer/ motion graphics/ video editor. Adobe offers the most comprehensive and cohesive suite of apps that accomplish all of this without the friction of trying to learn and use multiple different disconnected apps. I could make the switch to apps like Clip Studio and DaVinci, etc., and I have most of them, but I feel like I'm trapped in the Adobe ecosystem at this point as I am trying to do a multitude of creative work. The unity of their suite of apps seems to always draw me back, despite knowing all of the crony practices of adobe. Id love to get out and still be able to do everything I am trying to do as an artist. Any tips or advice on this would be great!

[@AdamDuffArt]

If you can benefit from the full suite then it’s definitely a good investment, but definitely not if you only need 1 or 2 of them and have to pay for ALL of them

[@lawsdraws]

Until big companies, publishers, agencies dump Adobe, freelancers are stuck with them. I'd love to use Affinity, but my clients would not accept these files.

[@umairasif15]

That is why Adobe knows whatever they do, everyone has to suck it up and live with it. Adobe is a proper monopoly. There is no true alternative or competition to photoshop, lightroom, After Effect, and Acrobat.

[@Window4503]

What do you mean? Affinity can still export to Adobe-friendly file types. I haven’t had a problem switching between programs for editing.

[@lawsdraws]

@@Window4503 Because clients require native Adobe files. Mine do anyway! (InDesign in my case)

[@Spamkromite]

You can export them in different Adobe formats.

[@mentalblasphemy6216]

@@Window4503 It's not perfect but works. the problem are fonts. They're not editable after export. But beside that it works nice. In the past I've been contracted for some time in one company where PSDs were needed and being able to save PS format saved my ass.

[@mediaversenetwork]

they got caught ( by a few of us on CNET) and had to roll back their TOS about owning your cloud stored works in 2003.

[@dwintster]

I've been using Photoshop for 2 decades, I have to agree that it hasn't changed much over that period with respect to features designed for designers and artist. Thus us ironic because one of John Knoll founder of Adobe worked in VFX with ILM. His reason behind developing the software was to make his work easier. So it was infact developed with art in mind. Somewhere along the way they obviously lost sight of this.

[@sujimatsubackupaccount194]

Colorslive on the bloody 3ds in 2011 had pinch and rotate. The switch version allows pixel art an new stroke brushes. Meanwhile adobe is the same program with high cpu usage for a port / tweaked port with high prices

[@jackielogan9104]

Photoshop's AI generative art function is the biggest garbage innovation that accommodates and appeals to talentless hacks who refuse to draw a circle with an ordinary pencil. people like PewDiePie are living PROOF that practice develops skill.

[@MohammadQattan1996]

Firefly : 9/10 Not for painting though!! Mostly for design and animation, for resizing, for high pace production, for achieving results in a better quality with less time. I myself am a digital illustrator, and motion designer, of course I don’t use ai in my illustration, but I use it a lot in my design work, plus, there are parts about ai that is extremely helpful to artists who have procedural workflows, who work with node based programs and integrate ai into it, or traditional painters who generate references they cannot find anywhere. And I think adobe is mostly trying to catch-up to that trend, and they’re doing a great job in that regard, because their apps integrates ai in an incredibly useful way, but of course they have a long way to go. And as much as me and you and other artists use Photoshop for digital painting, others use it to edit 3D textures, or to create cutouts for motion graphics, some others add or remove objects from their images which ai is very good at.

[@josethedruid]

(1/10 F. Adobe) So I've been using Photoshop CS6 for the past 8 years on laptop, can't afford a desktop for now. Hasn't failed me, Adam's and Greg Rutkowski brushes have worked perfectly to cover my illustration needs. Absolutely feeling the need to move on now, and hopefully to port my brushes or at least buy similar ones. What software do you recommend me for PC? I still have my doubts with Clip Studio Paint, have no idea about Krita or others. What should I be using?

[@Taka_Takata]

If it's only Photoshop you want to replace: Krita, Clip Studio Paint, Artstudio Pro (maOS, iPadOS), Affinity Photo (which is the best but I put it last because they let themselves be bought by Canva, so a subscription-only model is only a question of time.

[@leslielemmon]

For me, the joy of art is to create something unique that requires skill, a special elusive creative eye, and that can’t be replicated by anybody with just a few prompts and button clicks. That devalues art.

[@theMarkofArt]

AI - 1 Would love to see you try Krita one day, Adam.

[@lolaloliepop]

I'm a concept artist and agree with all of this/have been saying most of it for years - and that's coming from someone who still prefers photoshop and illustrator above everything else! (and I've tried most! I will say though unlike most I don't like working on an ipad/apple workspace....but that's just me). Trying to slowly adjust to CSP and not thrilled by some lacking features and just that general learning curve when my muscle memory is STRONG for adobe and illustrator, but it seems to be the one program with the most promise for me (or just going full 3D/VR). I would want CSP to make a few small additions for me to fully switch from pirated adobe...but a few small things isn't remotely even to adobe and the MAJOR lack of updates over years for a subscription. Also AI quite literally took my last [good, in house] job from me in games last year so -100000000000 excitement for AI :( and just barely green enough that it's not like I could easily just jump to a dozen other options.

[@smol5601]

I remember when Celsys (Clip Studio Paint) announced they were going to implement artificial intelligence to their app. The art community went hard on the criticism, and you know what Celsys did? They apologised and cancelled the AI implementation!

[@Pneumanon]

That's interesting- I was looking at Clip Studio and noticed it included AI tools, which made me wary. If they have moved away from AI then I may reconsider.

[@aryferreira2375]

10 year ago when i decide to start digital painting i start with Adobe Photoshop but i give up because you could not organize you brush into a folder you want i had to scroll just to use a brush and after that i felt so restrict what i could do so i try manga studio and until day i didnt regreat it.

[@stevemuzak8526]

Pirating Adobe software is not only morally acceptable, it is a moral obligation

[@GeahkBurchill]

I would pirate it except the user experience is so bad it makes the creation of illustrations genuinely unpleasant. I VASTLY prefer working in Procreate.

[@Mark_5150]

Adobe products would be better pirated and blocked from the internet where they can no longer take your files. So the pirated product provides a better customer experience. Even if you're against piracy, you can buy the product and still crack it to have a better experience using it.

[@stevemuzak8526]

@@Mark_5150 Don't give them any money. Adobe is a nasty corporation.

[@Giulia_Mercuri]

Using Krita is the only thing to do 😂

[@Mark_5150]

@@stevemuzak8526 I don't. And on this topic, AutoDesk is just as bad.

[@hopeymac9197]

I would love to hear your thoughts on Affinity. I’m thinking about moving over to it because Adobe is looking a lot less desirable these days.

[@Slumberprince]

Affinity designer 2 and procreate are really solid things to use on ipad any other recommendations?

[@jngarrettart]

Adam mentioned Infinite Painter and ArtStudio Pro, which are both iPad apps. Procreate is still my favorite, but these are also both solid apps.

[@danielrao3120]

I totally agree with you. I have decided that once my contract with Adobe has expired, in a couple of months, I will NOT renew. Thank you for your excellent video.

[@peppapotato]

Wish Krita got hyped and funded because it is open source and doesn't need any Apple product specifically to run

[@JakeTheJay]

Saame I've been using Krita for years and I wish it got the funding it needs to be better

[@erzsebetti]

With the recent hooplah about Adobe T&C and Privacy it finally gave me the push to find different systems. I've spent a 1/3 of a yearly subscription to purchase licenses outright of equivalent programs.