Does Auto DSP work? TESTED and REVEALED Dayton Audio APA1200DSP

[@cheapaudioman]

I don’t know if you remember me but I reached out to you and we had a call about a crossover I was making. You helped me design it. Love your channel and what you’re doing for the DIY community.

[@Toid]

Of course I remember you. I watch your channel so the time. I love it! I really loved seeing you build those speakers and offer the opportunity to build some cabinets for others. If you ever want to collaborate on a project some time, let me know. If love to do that.

[@cheapaudioman]

@@Toid you’re reading my mind, brother.

[@cheapaudioman]

I’ll email you

[@Toid]

@@cheapaudioman that would be perfect! I look forward to it!

[@psyphonyxaudio]

@@Toid - YESS!! .. Love this idea.. looking forward to it =)

[@Acoustic_Theory]

Auto EQ is the killer feature that separates this amp from the pro audio amps that also have built-in DSP. Also the ability of this amp to apply DSP filtering to your high-pass outputs is also incredible and very different from what's in your typical pro audio amplifier, where the built-in processing is only concerned with what that power amp is doing, not the rest of the system. Home theater processors also have some correction capability for the subwoofer, but they don't give you the visibility into the processing that Dayton's GUI does.

[@Toid]

Agreed! It's a really great unit. I was very impressed with it.

[@danfrigon8265]

I bought a Behringer NX3000 to power an Infinite Baffle 2x18” subwoofer. If signal is being sent from a standard receiver RCA out, what would you recommend to dsp it? Minidsp with Art Cleanbox? Will upgrading to the minidsp 2x4 HD output enough voltage for the amp on its own? Ever seen Grimani’s line of Rixos speakers? I’d love to see you build something like one of those 2.5 ways with the 8” drivers. Or my actual preference would be an in-wall designed specifically NOT to use a box and use the wall space instead. Why pay for boxes when you can use drivers designed for large air volumes? Or will a boxed design always outperform? Keep up the awesome content!

[@ryanchappell5962]

This channel is exactly what I was looking for. Awesome

[@Toid]

Glad to hear it!

[@ajc-th5ei]

Great video and good to see how well the peaking filters of the PEQ could knock that down.

[@Toid]

I was honestly a little surprised at how well that did with just those peq filters. Although I'd like to see a more advanced DSP in it.

[@ajc-th5ei]

@@Toid - who wouldn't, but if I am right and they are using the ADAU1701 in it, that has hopes for lots of projects.

[@welderfixer]

Nick, Thank you for reviewing this Dayton Audio amp and showing us all of the features. I wonder how well it works for 2 channel stereo. All the best.

[@Toid]

Thanks Kevin! I appreciate it. You know it's a great question. I actually am probably going to be utilizing this on my audience 212 speakers. I like the auto dsp, but I also have a crown xti 2002 that I was using for the subwoofers. And I most likely will be adding another subwoofer in the future. Since that has DSP and I have an Omnimic, I can set that up pretty easily. So maybe in the future I'll review it as a stereo amp. I just felt like most people would be more interested in the auto DSP function.

[@welderfixer]

@@Toid I agree wholeheartedly with you on the sub auto EQ/DSP. It sure will save the buyers of this amp a ton of time and pulled out hair. The next step is to time align it with the rest of the system. All of the issues with getting bass correct and a pleasure to hear are not always fun. I'm seriously considering a second 8" sub but, I dread the integration process. However, I'm up for a challenge. Kinda. Thanks again and all the best to you and yours!

[@Burythelie]

I hate that i can't afford all this great gear, inflation sucks! Great review man, DSP has come a long way, and it's just gonna keep getting better.

[@Toid]

I completely agree about all those sentiments. I think DSP has a really big future especially with multi subwoofer integration. I'm really looking forward to the first Auto DSP that can do multiple subwoofers in multiple locations.

[@ben23a31]

Is there version that's doesn't come with an amp? Also, how would it work with multiple subs?

[@HifiVega]

Great video Nick! This amp is dope

[@sonusancti]

Good video. My question is why can't you run two subs in stereo?

[@psyphonyxaudio]

I REALLY like this amp ... Can this be used to vertically Bi-Amp a single speaker? (2 way or standard binding post 3way speaker?) I'll look into this a bit more. =) that's for doing a deep dive on such a thing =)

[@Pete.across.the.street]

Sounds cool for 1 sub. 2+ subs probably cheaper with amp and minidsp. I do like that auto feature, but already own a umik, and with rew, it wouldn't take very long to setup.

[@Toid]

I agree. I think that's great assessment

[@MrHumes-nv1zr]

In need of help. Using an onkyo rz3100 i was running a def tech supercube trinity and supercube reference hooked up lfe and they rumbled my house. I recently replaced them with 2 monoprice m215s. The new subs work but do not produce anything near what theyre capable of. After reciever factory reset and full calibration in every mode the subs are still (docile) at best. They rumble more during calibration than in actual use. Any tips or educated guess as to why? Ty for your time.

[@Elliott-Designs]

Another amazing review Nick!

[@Toid]

Thank you Elliott!

[@Elliott-Designs]

@@Toid no worries, I enjoyed it! It did a surprisingly good job at that low end EQ, although you can never fully tell with a single room. What are your seat to seat measurements like? Pretty much the same before EQ? If so, that probably helped. If not, it did a super amazing job!

[@labalo5]

How is the SQ and performance of this to the SA1000? Thanks for the vid!

[@rony6482]

Can you tell if the Crown XLS Drive Core 1002 Amplifier has a better option

[@Grommet2007]

Sweet amp. Speakon speaker terminals would make it ecen sweeter. Btw, 36dB/octave is actually 6th order, not 3rd order....

[@Toid]

Yeah I really like it. Thanks again for the clarification. I actually didn't mean to say third order it was just a slip of the tongue that I didn't catch. But I appreciate it.

[@Caboosefan97]

So I was thinking of pairing this with a skar evl sub would it be better to get a 2 or 4 o version?

[@Toid]

The auto dsp function only works with a 4ohm subwoofer. So if you're planning to just run one of them, get the 4 ohm. If you plan on running two of them, get the 2 ohm.

[@Caboosefan97]

@@Toid sweet thanks for the super quick response man 👍 keep up the good content

[@yttean98]

The re are 2 inputs and 2 output channels, you bridge to get 1 higher output channel, fine. What if I don't need that much power can I still have 2 i/p & 2 output channels to drive 2 separate subwoofers, Yes or No?

[@Toid]

You can still connect two subwoofers if you don't need that much power. However the auto DSP only works on bridge mode. So if you hook it up to the stereo outputs, you'll have to DSP it manually.

[@welderfixer]

@@Toid That's good to know.

[@jacobboelman651]

Your background music overwhelmingly reminds me of the scammy ads youtube runs when you turn off ad tracking.

[@lbraga565]

whats your recommendation for alternate DSP amp if someone has 2-4 subs?

[@GamerBoy-zu5pd]

does it give out its rated power for sub use

[@dessiah5828]

Ss there any chance that you can do DIY ATC SCM50 or SCM150, that would be epic one

[@Ale55andr082]

8:45 +/-2.5db are related to the average on-axis response, but I see a -5db compared to the average response (85db) which is A LOT

[@st170ish]

A quartette of MX15's or UM's about 250w each in lowly ported boxes spread around the nulls... he he he good times :D

[@TyGamer125]

Do you think you could get similar results doing PEQ filters with MSO or REW as you did to the built in one?

[@Toid]

Definitely. You might even be able to get better. I just use the normal peq on my crown XTI-2002 amplifier and get a fantastic results. I feel like this is really designed more for those that don't want to buy or don't have measurement equipment. They just want the ease of use. And honestly setting this up, was really easy. So you're definitely paying for that ease of use.

[@mannye]

The link for the amp is showing a 404 error. Great review! thanks!

[@Toid]

Thank you! Fixed and updated! I appreciate it!

[@bass_and_things]

You can hook up multiple subs to that amplifier as long as the final impedance is 4ohm For instance you could have 2 subwoofers that are Dual 4ohm You will wire each subwoofer in series Then wire both subwoofers together in parallel Or vice versa each subwoofer in parallel then in series

[@Toid]

The problem is, there aren’t very many home theater subwoofers that are dual four ohm. Most of them are either single four ohm or dual 2 ohm. Meaning you would need to get four of them to get to the right impedance and each one of those subwoofers would only see 300 watts. You could probably get some car, audio subwoofers, or PA subwoofers that could work in that instance, but you would be hard-pressed to find some that would tune low enough for most home theater enthusiasts.

[@icdjpr]

How did this amp compare to your crown 2002? I've got the 2002 and an ultimax 18 and thinking about upgrading the amp. Is it worth it? Thanks for what you are doing.

[@Toid]

Out of the two, I prefer the XTI 2002. Of course I do DSP mine and use a microphone to set the levels. But I feel like the xti is more dynamic. This one is much easier to set up though.

[@icdjpr]

@@Toid great thank you. Would you recommend to just add a DSP to mine? If so which one would you recommend? I've got a clean box between my Denon and XLS right now. Thanks for your time.

[@Toid]

@@icdjpr if you have the xti, it has a built-in DSP. I would just recommend getting a microphone that way you can take some measurements and DSP it yourself. If you don't want to get a mic, then this amplifier really is the best buy.

[@icdjpr]

@@Toid I have the crown XLS 2002 and it's very limited.

[@Toid]

@@icdjpr oh if it's the xls, then I would recommend this over it without hesitation. I'm not a fan of the XLS series personally.

[@spritual_enlightenment]

Cool but in the end, buying an EQ with software and mic to measure would be a better investment.

[@Toid]

I definitely don't disagree with you. But not everyone wants to go down that route. This is really for those people that don't want to go down that route.

[@spritual_enlightenment]

@@Toid, Yes, I agree with U. Convenience pays itself often (in the long run).

[@SettlersCoveLtd]

Can’t find this product. Please help.

[@Toid]

I believe they discontinued it

[@rony6482]

Hi, you claim that the device has control over one subwoofer, what happens with tower speakers that have two woofers?.?

[@glengatt3941]

Eny power amplifier can be bridge?

[@Toid]

Not every amplifier. But this one can.

[@glengatt3941]

@@Toid what about the emotiva basx A2s?

[@Toid]

@@glengatt3941 not that I'm aware of

[@glengatt3941]

@@Toid ok thanks

[@jimthvac100]

The first link is no longer working.

[@PaulTardino]

Wasn’t the after SPL actually more around +/- 8.5dB…and not 2.5dB like you stated?

[@Toid]

Can you explain what you mean? The after response was primarily between 80 and 85dB. It's the blue line. The black line was the before measurement.

[@tone1585]

On clearance rn for less the 500

[@jxke]

Where is Kirby Meets Audio? Apparently he owes some people speaker kits.