Does Death Matter In One Piece Anymore? |One Piece Chapter 1134 Reaction|

[@MadAlienArt]

Thing is, Stella i can understand coming back, after all the man is a genius, his brain is pretty much still alive together with all of the other vegapunks, what bugs me is Kuma tho, because his backstory was so tragic and so impactful, to have him come back in any way would throw that masterful writting straight into the trash, and that's unaxeptable, Kuma is more than dead, he's erased, his body is still kind of alive but his mind is gone, now if Oda wants to go the route of "We healed his body but the damage to his mind is too great" and then have Bonney take care of him, that would be acceptable for me, but bringing him back is... It's the last straw.

[@WzDk13]

Didn't read egghead I guess.

[@inlandnight8330]

That’s what I thought. Vegapunk coming back makes sense because he’s a genius. But instead, that’s being cast aside because too many people aren’t dying like they should. It’s cool they’re alive but they really shouldn’t be. Makes things less impactful.

[@Avada_ontop]

Vegapunk revival is fine if it was setup right, but oda wanted to squeeze his “death” for all the emotions it was worth

[@luckywizard_]

Then create the proper build up for it and write the story so it fits that narrative. Don’t waste all of our time with these meaningless plot points if you’re not willing to commit to them.

[@BoogieWoogi]

I honestly feel the inverse. Like yes, it makes sense why there is a clone of Stella, but between Lilith being Vegapunk, and all the Vegapunks on Egghead still being alive, it seems so unnecessary to bring back Stella. Kuma on the other hand has been erased since time skip, and I honestly would be ok with him getting restored to some degrees because his initial sacrifice still means everything if he wasn’t planning on coming back. Also I just want to let Bonney catch a fuxking break

[@nooked23]

Ace, Pedro, Whitebeard, and Roger will be waiting at the one piece 😂😂

[@chrispolo25]

“But..but Oda foreshadowed” 😂

[@Idlemage]

This made me laugh more than I should've

[@shadowofthenorthstar989]

unfortunately death hasn't mattered in One piece ever since Ace and Whitebeard. its so bizarre Oda has a such a problem killing off characters

[@crocoboi7936]

Wano has the most confirmed deaths in a single arc

[@Ksl.8]

​@crocoboi7936 and yet kaido the main villain had 10+ "kills" that aren't kills

[@crocoboi7936]

@@Ksl.8 I’m just saying that oda has been surprisingly willing to kill side characters than usual recently. All though there are still fake out Saturn dying, orochi dying (villains usually don’t die in one piece) izo, asura doji, the masked cp0 dude and Hawkins.

[@NBAdux]

Never mattered from the beginning. I'd be willing to bet the deaths of ace and WB were Oda just showing he could off characters if he wanted.

[@galaxyvulture6649]

​@@crocoboi7936It also had the most baited deaths in the entire manga. Who knows those characters might actually come back.

[@kerrychristensen7204]

Maybe Bellemere really *is* in a dungeon...

[@shadowofthenorthstar989]

🤣

[@m0ckyzo185]

Stella coming back makes sense contextually with how things were set up but it really screws over Kizaru's writing last arc

[@BBOY_11]

Precisely

[@enryumazino3939]

FINALLY someone said it. Talk to them bro 🗣️💯💯💯

[@hugoboye8389]

@@m0ckyzo185 what do you think was so great about Kizaru's writting arc ? Apart from the fact that he is a man who is ready to betray/kill his friends without asking questions ? Then cry because of what he did ? Like bro your strong you 60 yo or smth can't you act and think for yourself ? You'd rather work for these bastards (WG) ?

[@JayKan4]

I agree, and I also thought he could come back when he first "died", however, if he comes back, then what was the point of all those scenes with Kizaru, and what was the point of that scene with Sanji, and what was the point of the "sacrifice" to begin with. I'd he knew he could simply come back, what was the whole point of setting up a dead-man's switch to begin with?

[@m0ckyzo185]

@@hugoboye8389 if that's the takeaway you got from Kizaru then imma need you to lay off the Agenda and YT Shorts and actually *read* the chapters

[@ghshady3497]

At this point i won't be surprised if Ace will be brought back.

[@chrispolo25]

Don’t forget Whitebeard

[@Dznts1234]

I don't get how people can sit there and defend Kuma and Stella coming back

[@simpleanimatorxx7346]

@@Dznts1234 I agree

[@WzDk13]

Because with kuma it was very obvious since the actual start of the arc where it was set up and constantly talked about. And with vegapunk your just dumb if you thought he was dead with punk records still being a thing.

[@omegagoat]

@@Dznts1234 for me it felt like the goal was always to try and bring kuma back thats why vega punk kept his memories so it makes sense they would try to still save him with Stella I agree it probably wasn't needed to bring them back but I feel like they can't really die with punk records being around

[@Dznts1234]

@@WzDk13 You've got a point with Vegapunk, but Kuma coming back shouldn't be justified in any way

[@WzDk13]

@@Dznts1234 I mean whether you like it it was very clearly set up. One of the first things lilith says is when she's questioning why you can't fully control the will of living beings. And we see that the entire arc with kuma whos mind is meant to be erased still going against his code through pure instinct/will. He was never dead and people complaining about this should be mad that he didn't sacrifice himself during egghead because as soon as I saw him escape on the ship it was obvious something like this was gonna happen.

[@BuggyDFool]

Oda is not scared to kill off characters, he is scared to keep them dead

[@Mitcham28]

I don't understand it, either. I want the deaths to matter. At this point, I'm convinced Oda will bring back Ace. I'm so sick of people who defend this awful writing for the sake of defending the series, as if One Piece having flaws somehow disrespects it. Its fine if characters being brought back makes you happy, but at least admit it ruins the experience for those who don't and that its bad writing altogether. I can respect those who admit its bad writing but love it anyway. But the sad truth is that defenders of these story choices don't actually know what good writing is.

[@ynam.2622]

Wdym, Ace has been brought back since Dressrosa. Unless Sabo gets more to his character he is literally just post time skip Ace.

[@crocoboi7936]

Vega punk coming back isn’t crazy. He is a genius with clone tech and is able to upload his consciousness. Also a huge part of vegapunk a character is what death even means to him. Shaka even outright said that. Kuma coming back does leave a sour taste in my mouth.

[@crocoboi7936]

@ bro he literally already has more to his character than being ace by his flashback as a kids.

[@NBAdux]

Every other Jump anime does it in some form, y'all say nothing. Jujutsu kaisin resurrected a fan fav character just moments before a major fight, then proceeded to make that revival meaningless. Yet the fans cheered. Both Naruto and AOT made whole arcs dedicated to flashbacks to a character that just died because the fans were upset. They cheered again. Don't get me started on DBZ either.

[@imshakedown]

at the same time, killing off characters ruins many series (jjk for me)

[@ThatsNotChi]

These emotional scenes feel like just a waste of time. I think anyone who read this reasonably thought Stella would be back. It's moreso Kuma that's the issue. His will could've lived on, even with him never being the same ever again. I get characters like Kizaru don't have our perspective, but why should I feel bad when we know Stella is coming back? Didn't Sentomaru act to save Vegapunk? Sentomaru betrayed the government, fought against his teacher Kizaru, and now we don't know where he's at. How much does that really matters now? In Wano, Kinemon and Kiku were more prominent characters and were in dire situations. Somehow though, they lived and we let characters who were close to them instead die for them (Izo died for Kiku and Ashura Doji saved Kinemon). Oda loves to play with the reader's emotions, but when it's too much he's sure to backtrack it. This whole Kuma thing is right after Saul reunites with Robin too. Oda just can't let characters go. Vegapunk could've played the role of Saul in terms of preserving the history of Ohara imo. Lilith said Vegapunk had a clone and he didn't use that to go back to Ohara and preserve history then? Just more excuses imo. I can't keep feeling bad about these scenarios if almost all of the crucial and dire situations have no consequences for important characters. For all this "will living on through others" thing, Oda struggles to really let it happen.

[@Kummet]

Before the whole cake and wano saga, I believed oda just didn’t want to lose access to any of his characters but after all the deaths in wano I don’t even know why Kuma is still alive but now he’s being brought back. And on the other hand, I expected the Vegapunk’s to all be in Lilith’s head like some sort of split personality but them creating that new Vegapunk and this clone doesn’t sit right with me

[@Aether_GM]

It used to. Now it doesn't and somehow people are cheering for it and anyone that isn't are the weirdos. What a time to be a one piece fan

[@chrispolo25]

What do you mean? Have we read the same manga? It definitely foreshadowed since chapter 1..

[@aetherblackbolt1301]

I completely agree with you Jay. I can't enjoy One Piece the same way that others can, all because we have some sort of memory and pattern recognition of the story. It would take Ace being brought back with cloning + soul magic for some folks to actually wake up.

[@remus4283]

Not even then. They'd just say it was genius for Oda to wait until every ounce of Ace's death was explored before bringing him back. Eiichiro Oda literally can do no wrong in their eyes.

[@stephenhalorday3684]

At this point bring ace bac to life as a cyborg

[@shadowofthenorthstar989]

bring back Whitebeard while you're at it as well as Bellemere,Dr Hiriluk , hell Sanji's mom too cause why not

[@chrispolo25]

@@shadowofthenorthstar989Tom, Vergo, Monet, Pedro, Ashura Doji, Izo, and many more LMAO

[@Archie-he2dr]

​@shadowofthenorthstar989 dr kureha was still alive last time i checked i think you mean you mean Dr hiriluk?

[@shadowofthenorthstar989]

@@Archie-he2dr yea my bad

[@tercial]

​@@shadowofthenorthstar989yall getting out of hand

[@_General_Grievous__]

Just because it makes sense that they could come back does not mean it’s good writing, why try to make it seem so sad and tragic if they whoever “died” last arc can just come back immediately😂

[@mangamandrew]

Who says it’s immediately? Just because someone is brought back does not mean it’s good or bad, it’s more like vs dislike.

[@IreneShardaForever]

Kuma was never dead, I think people really have to realize that and that he always was potentially going to come back as long as Oda kept it ambiguous. I knew he was going to come back even before he came to Egghead.

[@achour.falestine]

I don't get why people are pissed at him coming back ? Like after everything he went through ? After all the suffering he had to endure ? Does this man not deserve the happy ending in a fictional story ?

[@asamckenzie827]

But his story was over already

[@IreneShardaForever]

@asamckenzie827 why did you assume that?

[@asamckenzie827]

@@IreneShardaForever HE’S DEAD HE GOT HIS FLASHBACK AND RESOLUTION. What more could you add this story now?

[@Aether_GM]

If people are offended by Kuma coming back and what it would take from the story, they owe Morj an apology

[@dtcharo]

I'm perfectly fine with Jay and anyone else not liking the developments regarding Kuma and Stella; however, I do not have to agree to the conditions he laid out. That is silliness. The problem isn't the visceral reaction Jay has to the realization that Kuma and Stella are going to (potentially/likely) be restored but his need to lay down terms and conditions about how to feel about it moving forward. It comes off as an ultimatum and kills any empathy I would have towards how he's feeling. I've been following One Piece since 2003. Oda conditioned me long ago to take a "wait and see" approach to death, flashback or not. Over that time, I can count on my hand the death swerves that weren't paid off and/or were to the detriment of the narrative. You all may feel differently and that's fine but you all also don't get to dictate the terms in how I enjoy the story. Given the existence of clones and Punk Records, what happens with Stella doesn't bother me nor does it detract from the moment with Kizaru. Regarding Kuma, I'm a little more leery about but I'm reserving judgment until I see how things play out.

[@lockinggone7862]

Classic here, imma just wait 500 chapters until Oda remembers a character that he once "killed" gives him another sad moment and then leave him for reaction panels.

[@dtcharo]

​@@lockinggone7862 maybe or maybe not. Putting your hyperbole aside, the foundation is there that the chance of this being written in a way that is more absurd/unsatisfying than Pell surviving is pretty small, IMO. It's not entirely out of the realm of possibility though. Regardless, 500 more chapters of One Piece sounds pretty sweet though. Maybe we can revisit this at a latter date and I'll feel that the current state of painus in the anus many feel over this is justified. If Oda decided to bring back the Rumbar pirates, Bellemere, and Kuina, then I'll join the chapped asses club but as far as the Stella and Kuma stuff goes, it ranges from unfazed to mild annoyance for me, currently speaking. Time will tell but my attention is on Loki and Evil Shanks.

[@achour.falestine]

I don't understand why people are mad at kuma coming back After everything he went through he deserves the happy ending more than anyone else

[@fzhz]

Because if kuma would come back then it will kill his tragic backstory's essence. Like I won't feel bad for kuma or bonney anymore, like now kuma's back. They're happy and have nothing to complain about.

[@mattweeks9570]

I'm right there with you man. We are literally 1100 almost 1200 chapters unto this story. These guys revolve their entire KZbin channels around this story and have been invested in it for years maybe even decades only to be surprised. How can you be this deep into one piece and still not get it??? How can you have read the 1100 chapters up to this point and then be surprised or disappointed at oda giving characters good endings sometimes. Just seems like such a nitpicky thing to be critical about. I mean the recent chapter that was all about saul and Robin reunion made me literally cry because of how beautiful it was and all these "fans" read that chapter and instead of enjoying it they only think about "WeLL GeE ODa wHy iS SaUL NoT DeAD?" How can you read all of egghead arc and reduce the greatness of egghead down to just vegapunks death. Saying that vegapunk not dying ruins the egghead arc just tells me you aren't getting out of one piece what oda intended and instead are just focused or distracted by all the wrong details. How does keeping kuma suffering make the story good? If yall want people just getting raped and killed then go watch game of thrones or some shit. This is fucking one piece. Jesus. I get bitching about Pell and kinemon but bitching about kuma and vegapunk is telling that you completely missed the story of egghead.

[@aron8930]

​@@mattweeks9570 Kuma getting a happy ending is fine. Just don't make it look like he died and confirm him to come back in a side scene. That's all we ask for.

[@achour.falestine]

@@mattweeks9570 literally agreed withe everything you said man You 100% cooked

[@mattweeks9570]

@aron8930 understandable but as far as I know kuma never "died". His backstory was all about him taking others pain unto himself selflessly. He did everything for bonney. For the free folk. Solo revolution and even had his humanity erased for the sake of the good of the world. It's tragic af but he never died. He came back to save bonney and put Saturn in his place. And he did just that. He even used haki when punching Saturn which literally tells the audience that kuma still has some sliver of himself still left. He still has some personality and humanity left inside despite us being told he's just a soulless robot now. And then after egghead he escapes the island with bonney and vegapunk and the strawhats with dorry and broggy. SO why tf are people so surprised that these side characters are now on elbaf and trying to fix kuma???? Wouldn't that be the next logical thing to do now that kuma has been liberated??? He deserves to have his humanity restored. Bonney deserves it too and then they can join the revolutionary army together and fight the good fight. I just don't know why all this is so hard for people to grasp. Kuma never died. Sure the switch was flipped but again he clearly has some humanity left in him and is that NOT WORTH FIGHTING FOR? What else would you have these side characters do now that they are on elbaf???? Seriously people cmon.

[@Jake.Nash629]

Theres more to understand about Kuma, like how he was able to go to protect Bonney after his mind was wiped. But we don't need him to be alive to discover what was unique about the buccaneer race

[@JanXDio]

We've been having this same discussion since Pell's "sacrifice" and we had again after Bon Clay's "sacrifice". As One Piece fans we accept that whoever dies off screen can potentially still be alive.

[@DiglettsOtherHalf]

I'm not gonna defend Kuma or Stella coming back one way or the other. But I will ask: Did Kuma ever actually die? Last we saw of him, he was on the boat chilling with Bonney in chapter 1126. The words Bonney used, at least in the Viz translation are "Make my Daddy all better". If it is just fixing up the body and not returning the memories and whatnot, isn't that fine?

[@NBAdux]

I thought I was tripping because I don't recall him even actually dying.

[@staticshadic]

I mean, technically, they are cybernetic, so they can use technology restored to its original form.

[@sacredrelapse2057]

“…but death is what completes a man!! Isn’t that true?” - Kaido

[@siya2195]

tHe ChRatcRs sTiLl tHouGhT ThEy dEiEd sO thE EmoTioN iS StilL ThEiR"

[@shayoko6]

death has never been sacred in one piece. it is the worst part of the series. it all started with pell. fans should have demanded him to remake that chapter. and every other time he didn't kill characters when they should have died....

[@NBAdux]

Oda doesn't care, when people have questioned his power scaling and fake outs, he either trolls or gives a bs response that he doesn't even believe.

[@shayoko6]

he might not, but at that time if you could convince his editor. he wouldn't have a choice. even the author of dragon ball submited to them.

[@STONCKS1]

His story let him make whatever he wants.

[@TheWildCard2k]

To me deaths in op aren't a tool to draw out emotional responses from the reader in the first place its a tool to draw out emotional responses from the characters it effects i.e new motivations character progression or the overall world building it should have been known that oda doesnt kill off his characters ever since pell survived a nuke so i dont think holding op to that same standards doesnt make sense in op the stakes isn't risking your life the stakes are risking your dreams so i think hyper focusing and characters who survive a seemingly fatel encounter is pointless because that has never been the type of story op is

[@remus4283]

Let's pretend what you said makes sense - if it's purely for the characters, why are deaths accompanied by swelling music in the anime, and special art/paneling in the manga? Those details can't be for the characters. Y'all will rather insult your own intelligence and make yourselves sound stupid than admit that there are flaws with the story.

[@wwe12153]

Did you even consider the fact that all of this is hypothetical. There is no actual guarantee that they are coming back

[@kekitus490]

Stella coming back to life isn't very weird to me. I mean, we've learned for multiple chapters that Vegapunk's mind is in the cloud. The dude split his personality and put it in a cloud computer. To him life is basically just downloading a computer program on a biological hard drive. I never expected him to die, especially with Lilith telling Luffy he achieved his mission. Kuma is a different story though.

[@thejuiceking2219]

oh god, the overly flashy fights, people just coming back to life it really is becoming dragon ball z

[@ItsDaeeee]

Anticipated The Crashout Before I Even Clicked The Short 😭

[@Grimreaper6688-ace]

If I’m being honest. When Pell came back practically unscathed was when I personally thought that no one really does in One Piece. Whenever someone gets some extreme damage they usually just walk it off. Which is why Ace and whitebeard were such a surprise and impactful. Heck even at Marine Ford Luffy and Jinbe should’ve been toast with the damage they got at the end. But if Kuma comes back it might be the worst decision of ever for the story. Stella makes sense I can totally see him coming back especially since we know his main head has to still be working because the other Vegapunks which are him as well are still active. But Kuma coming back feels like it would remove all sacrifices he made.

[@Minja-yo]

I can get what you’re saying but it’s either like op that doesn’t kill off as much people and people are mad or it’s like Jjk and when many people die people still have a problem with it

[@RunD.Ones1s]

Jay when a guy who famously made a bunch of clones of himself has tech to make another clone of himself: 🤯🤬😱

[@yining200]

Kuma though. Saul though.

[@pedrostos344]

Kinemon have that tech too?

[@RunD.Ones1s]

@ where did I defend Kinemon surviving??

[@RunD.Ones1s]

@@yining200 Saul is also completely logical, the island was literally on fire so of course he melted, and he took a tremendous amount of damage from it but a top tier giant isn’t going to die from some fire damage, and we don’t even know what’s gonna happen with Kuma yet if it ends up being a Pell/kinemon situation then that’s indefensible but the man hasn’t even been brought back yet let it play out

[@yahallobenjamin2354]

The problem is the arc dragged the drama surrounding it. I was confused why it was a big deal when he literally split himself but apparently people said the whole WG eliminating vegapunk thing was masterful writing because they love Kizaru

[@momame8258]

Man we saw Kuma punching Jay Garcia after the flashback and Vegapunk being clueless about his return , idk why people think he died

[@virnim]

Cant wate for Ace to come back dude 😭

[@veggieh8r]

It's never mattered. Even Ace was replaced by an equivalent who up until that point was unknown.

[@Titodorito1]

Oda has been hinting that kuma is coming back all throughout egghead island. Kuma is literally going against his programming for his daughter, he knew exactly where she was and teleported there and fought for her. Why would he do this if his consciousness is gone? Kuma is still there somewhere and we know it but ig him coming back is mickey.

[@XUnknownX-zf6fp]

Depends when coming back to life happens. Maybe if it was in the epilogue. It can’t happen too soon unless oda comes out with that fire writing and story telling.

[@skyberry7945]

the most valid of crashouts

[@chancethemance953]

When did Kuma die?

[@theitalianstallion312]

I can’t wait for Ace and Roger to be alive and waiting for Luffy at Laughtale. Lol

[@Raidou10]

Oda wants his cake and eat it too. Illiciting an emotional 'death' scene for Vegapunk with Kizaru crying and shouting down the den-den mushi just for him to come back in his clone body, does not sit right with me

[@anthonypena3322]

I mean Vegapunk was always alive. I see it more as Lilith would’ve found a way to bring Stella back eventually.

[@super_dorvil]

Ace ate two devil fruits, the fire and donut fruit. Ace still alive. Vegapunk made a copy of his fruit to give to Sabo

[@avengernaruto1854]

The merry ain’t coming back :(

[@fran_valz]

I gave up on caring about people dying in the series long ago

[@sunsetytz]

I don't think bonney was talking about bringing him back, but taking care of his body

[@bingbong5076]

Thinking about it, Seraphim might also be a setup to make the dead return. Like maybe there will be S-Beard, S-Quake, X-bex or S-Gold... Hopefully Seraphim just immediately get forgotten moving forward

[@YujinH]

He not wrong, like we’ve really only had 2 impactful deaths and that was over 500 chapters ago

[@Grimbear13]

Stella didn't bother me at all when he died because based on how the satellite's and Punk Records work I figured he wasn't truly dead or wouldn't stay dead. If Kuma comes back 100% no repercussions that will feel cheap. I'd even love to see it because I want a happy ending for that man!! But overall in One Piece I know that any emotion I give to a character dying is potentially going to be undone. We're not quite Dragonball Z with the stakes of death but not far from it.

[@timboned5305]

I mean, I just finished Dressrosa and can 100% say nobody does in One Piece. The ONLY death would be Ace. If you don't count the donut guy, nobody else dies.

[@MegaLalapala]

Jay has found the issue that has plagued comic books since their inception lol.

[@mtg4205]

I love how people are clowning on people getting upset and dissapointed of Kuma and Stella coming back to life with their lame ass excuses like it was foreshadowed of them coming back is so stupid. So Ace or any important character is coming back because oda was foreshadowing a revive revive fruit? That would suck major ass and lame as fuck. Grow some balls and accept that BRINGING BACK MAJOR CHARACTERS THAT TIES THEIR DEATH TO A CHARACTERS MOTIVATION AND CHANGES RUINS THAT CHARACTERS MOMENT!

[@vvey4523]

There's no way this guy hasn't skipped every single major arc. You could hardly name even one where this doesn't happen but somehow it's only dawning on him right now. Hating on OP for clics is pathetic. Matter of fact is, if shitting on Oda wasn't making you money right now you would ignore fake-outs the same way you did ever since Pell

[@warrenshavers9441]

Haki can transcend ☠️. Rogers said I'm not going to die

[@Rumham729]

Man didn’t read egghead island. Or least had zero reading comprehension if he is surprised vegapunk isn’t dead. I mean Lilith is still alive and the Brian, what’s stopping them from putting their mind into a flesh puppet that looks like stella

[@rj7jesus]

Everybody can’t die, who’s going to fight in the last war if everyone is dead ?

[@CharlesIncharge-x8j]

I'll die on the hill that deaths are overrated in stories.

[@shahid55s52]

I would only want death for chars if they have nothing else to give. Death should complete the char's arc.

[@vincentcastiel3665]

Kuma remaining dead suits your narrative, and your preference and Oda bringing him back isn't a fairy tail work as Kuma never really died, Vegapunk erased his sense of self, his soul and body are intact, and it stands to reason that the person who did that to him would try to undo it, especially if said person is one of the smartest people alive and we both know erasing Kuma took a huge toll on him. It would be remiss as he was erasing kuma that he didn't think of a way to reverse it.... Haven't you ever had regrets or things you wish you could undo? and if you had the ability to do it, would you sit by? Vegapunk is one of the smartest characters in one piece, it would be out of character for him not to think of a way to undo what he done to Kuma..him not doing anything and just let things be is actually more of a plot hole than anything... for me I have more issue with Pound being alive because he was beheaded, or Kinemon surviving Kaidou's beating while Asura Douji died to a dynamite or Izo dying to a shigan.. they didn't make sense, but Kuma's situation being reversed, the writing has always been on the wall.. Vegapunk is the one who did that to him, it stands to reason he would try to undo it.

[@renan0510]

I have a problem with death in One Piece in general, but Vega Punk coming back is understandable, since he actually never died completely ie the vega punks that are still alive. Anyhow I don't understand people that love animes like Dragon Ball and Naruto having this kind of problem with Oda reviving caracters left and right.

[@orenherod5514]

I agree let bodies be caught....that spandam reveal still pisses me off

[@VitorGSM]

Just wait until Mecha-Kaido and Mecha-Big Mom show up

[@snakefish18]

Then why doesn’t the Dc, Marvel and Dragon Ball franchises get hate for making death not matter?

[@lockinggone7862]

Dragon ball absolutely does. Dc and Marvel get less just because of sheer amount of different storys.

[@ishamjondeau2644]

Honestly I truly hope it isn't the case the Shanks twin will ruin lilith's plan. Everything is going to smothly and I hope Shanks 2.0 is actually here to finish the job that Saturn failed to accomplish. Really hope this is Oda's vision to give us hope but to crush it directly.

[@lore2587]

Shoutout to skynet for this one🥶

[@MrSonictheOtter]

Jay is speaking straight facts this time around

[@marcusdavirodolphi6060]

Im dont know men, Im just so mad in this point😢

[@michaelsalmon1734]

NGl im hoping it’s Lilith not getting what Bonnie wants and it’s just getting Kuma’s body physically working but mentally he’s just on auto pilot I’ll be actually upset if he’s fully back

[@mariodale2484]

If you think death is meaningless in One Piece then please don’t ever pick up a DC Comic 😂

[@KuriousDHero]

i just hope that this “Stella clone” is younger, just for the sole fact that even if it has Stella’s intellect/mannerisms etc it still wouldn’t be the same being, just like Stussy isn’t 100% Ms. Bakkin (idk spelling lol) and could develop its own personality…possibly Pride if Oda wants to screw over Kidd one last time

[@PatiparnPojanart]

I dislike when ODA decides to make Peru alive. But for the Vegapunks death is so stupid.... how could Vegapunks being the smartest people in the world ....die like that? Yes, I agree with ODA for this decision but I disagree if he makes they death as stupid as that. And for Kuma, he don't have a real death scene yet. It is just his body of cyborg that death. And we have been told since the beginning of egghead that science cannot control living creature mind. You don't pay attention enough and thinking that some scene is kuma's death scene.

[@BlakeElliott35]

Unless the character’s name is Jesus Christ, I don’t ever wanna read or see that trope in writing anywhere else

[@icewollowcome9370]

It's a story for kids bro

[@kirax_]

If the smartest man alive can’t cheat death then what’s the point.

[@curtismurphy6206]

Because death is not the point of One Piece. If you haven't got that at this point your hopeless

[@lockinggone7862]

Clown

[@aldoraftel5588]

That's how I read the Agenda, they not dead cus that's the Agenda said lol 😂

[@DedubOP]

Well is kuma even officially dead?

[@eastbluedrew1664]

The next person gonna kill gonna be someone we love so I aint trying to force him to

[@phemeloseotlolla]

Pedro pulling up in Elbaf. Wait and see.

[@JayJay1988]

I thought death didn’t matter in One Piece when the Skypiea Arc came out. I wouldn’t be surprised if Kaido and Big Mom comes back. Shid even Ace at this point.

[@unclebobboomergames]

The stella thing just makes sense so idgaf about that one. Kuma...it depends. Ill rock with whats gone on with kuma so far. If it ends up sucking it ends up sucking. But i get that one

[@JetsFittedUp]

I knew this shit since the whole frank family survived enies lobby

[@shashwatdewa2311]

didnt oda hated when ded one came back lmao

[@DawnPirate]

While I would definitely prefer permanent deaths in One piece, that's not the One piece we are getting, its Oda's. He's doing as he wants One piece to be. And that's fine i guess, atleast it makes me feel something about these characters about if they live or die. In many shows i watch, they do kill important characters, but only a couple, even if any, deaths affect me. It was just Naruto and one piece that made me feel shit. So i guess, yeah it's fine. It's okay Oda, i''ll let this slide cause the other stuff you do around it fills my heart.. So it's fine, im holding out hope that he is saving the deaths for the Final War arc and he wants there to be as many characters we love than even Marineford. This is definitely cope, but also a little of hope. Cause just thinking about that gives me chills, all these characters that dont die will be in that war. There will be no NPCs in that war. So, i guess ill just hope and carry on.

[@AVillainChillin]

Stella no but Kuma? Absolutely YES. If there was ONE person in ANY piece of Manga that deserves to come back. It is Kuma. Let his Faith be rewarded. You sure you've read that Bible? 🤔🤣

[@odysseusdadon1234]

I can’t judge yet coz I’ll need to wait to see what oda does with this before I do. Y’all are jumping to conclusions to quickly

[@zzzzzzzzzPP]

I will ONLY forgive this if its part of vegapunks brain fruit awakened ability

[@Archie-he2dr]

Firstly im not defening anything i just want to put my say out there, I feel like some people forget that this is oda he's a master of subverting expectations just take loki as an example everyone had expectations for him abd oda completely subverted those expectations and with the shanks clone guy thing oda is probably going to permanently kill off kuma and vegapunk in this arc let oda cook for fucks sake give him a chance

[@Crimjam]

I think Kuma coming back makes narratively sense, because he didnt die during egghead. I would have preferred him to regain his self sense and die killing saturn or protecting bonney - "triggering" her developing her nika form. But i was fine with him returning, when he didnt die during egghead. It was clear oda wouldnt keep him as a vegetable forever. Bonney and him deserve a happy end tbf and i am fine because i love kuma as a person. Vegapunk is a miss imo. Sure it makes sense. But i often think less is more in terms of storytelling. We never needed 6 satellites. We dont need lillith, the clone stella and the patchwork vegapunk in his new home. His death was very interesting and unique and saving at least ONE vegapunk felt so essential in the story, as york turned into a villain. This will continue to be my number 1 complaint about one piece. I love the story, the romantic sense of adventure and the characters. But the lack of death and the fake out deaths are this stories biggest flaws.

[@ryanhickson6399]

Kuma deserves to come back for bonnies sake, stellar needs to stay dead, every other vegapunk can come back to life just fine bit no stellar

[@ilhamadigunawan5264]

Jay you literally said you are the reactionary guy and this is your first reaction, and you're the one who ask me to think!? 😭😭😭

[@Lattydaddy99]

And unfortunately it wasjust brought up in such a non chalant way... Two panels just undid a whole back story and two characters. Just makes no sense I'm sorry, i love OP but i cant with the lack of meaningful deaths or deaths thatare emotional, but then hey! It was never a death!! Come on its so bizarre

[@GothamThotSlayer]

Pell should have died. Pound didn't have to die, but then why even tease his death the way he did when Oda wrote what happened. KINEMON should have DEFINITELY died, especially since his role as the leader of the Akazaya 9(it would have made Wano more impactful). Saul's death was ambiguous to begin with, so im not even mad, especially when they told us in early Egghead. Vegapunk's clone makes sense since he's already cloned himself MULTIPLE times. Stella is dead. All he did was make a clone. Kuma....well...idk how i feel about that either, so im with Jay. I'm gonna wait to see how "alive" Kuma is. Let's not forget: During the final phase of the Egghead arc; Vegapunk wanted to mention something about what makes Buccaneers special, but Oda decided to edge us so he could tell us later. I'm with Jay, but I'm not as mad because I am not surprised since Oda constantly does this sometimes for no reason, but let's wait and see how it plays out before WE crash out 😂

[@Mario-ll7lf]

This is my problem. We can wait and see before crashing out over possibilities of something happening. Jay does realise if he is wrong people are going use this clip and discredit every single opinion he has in future because he was wrong one time 😂😂

[@GothamThotSlayer]

@Mario-ll7lf tbf, I've seen Jay crash out for less in one piece. But this happens all the time. Rogersbase was known for his crash out for Big Mom's amnesia plot point in Wano, and he crashed out hard lol. There's always gonna be something we don't like that will make us very reactionary which is understandable. We all don't have to like the same things. But Jay knows this, and I doubt this will change how he reacts to something he doesn't like in the future. At least he admitted to it, you know?

[@ReaperXxK]

Tell Rob City this about Makarov from fairy tail v😂😂😂

[@brandtmichael3868]

They're not back yet though There were hints that Kuma would come back several times That being said I agree with you. What's the point?

[@farkas9410]

Wait till he finds out about Jesus 🫢

[@chrispolo25]

You’re wrong and I will prove it, just read chapter 1 the signs are all there on why they were alive ❤

[@medicai6927]

Yeah tbh this one chapter killed moat of my hype for one piece and that pains me to say. But this is just ridiculous.