Does EVERYONE Have The OPPORTUNITY To Be Saved? | Leighton Flowers | Soteriology 101

Dr. Leighton Flowers answers a listener submitted question about whether all people have the opportunity to be saved or not. Dr. Flowers examines what both general and special revelation actually do in the life of nonbelievers.
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[@jtv_70]

Im not a calvinist or arminian. I got so tired of hearing about the calvinists vs arminian stuff in chats & comments, I started studying both sides. Your videos have been really helpful. Thank you.

[@jerardosc9534]

What do Armenians have to do with this ??

[@jtv_70]

@@jerardosc9534 i spelled it wrong, sorry. Arminianism is the opposition side to calvinism.

[@dw6528]

@@jerardosc9534 DW: A conflict between Calvinism and Arminianism is very prevalent with Calvinists. This is because Arminius was a Calvinist who rejected Calvinism but not completely. Consequently - Calvinists have a high urgency to persuade Arminians - and Calvinists are also understandably very critical of them. So its a very frequent topic.

[@gusadlawan9371]

Are they saying now that everyone has the power to save himself if they have the opportunity?

[@dw6528]

@@gusadlawan9371 DW: No Christian believes a person can save himself - any more than a person can heal himself of a sickness. When Jesus heals people - in many instance he will give them a command and when they obey his command - he will then heal them. Obedience is the human's part Salvation or healing is God's part.

[@marteld2108]

Salvation is offered to everyone. Our Father continually reaches out to man.

[@suganemmenaul]

You are not realizing that out Father is losing to save all.

[@dw6528]

@@suganemmenaul DW: How is it possible for a being who is infallible to lose anything?

[@jjphank]

@@suganemmenaul why does a third World couple have 10 kids knowing that 4 are going to die? for the sake of the 6 that will live! It’s For the glory (in heaven) of the ones who say yes to Jesus, is the reason why he created all of mankind!

[@lindajohnson4204]

@dw6528 Is it possible for Him to grieve or be grieved? If it isnt, He shouldn't have said it was in His eternal, unchanging word.​

[@suganemmenaul]

@@dw6528 Infallible Never lose those whom He called out of all.

[@ENDofREGULATION30]

Ugggghhh.. ITS ABOUT TIME... ive been waiting all week for a video Leighton😐 😂😂

[@genegroover3721]

As expected, awesome teaching. Thank you for continuing to truth.

[@leonardocarpio7379]

Good explanation. Thanx Leighton and God bless you 🙏🏻

[@ChristineKenyon]

Great video as always Leighton! Increasingly I’m of the view that Augustinian/Calvinist philosophy is rooted in an emotional and psychological need to respond in the face of two profound questions: 1. How can people become saved if they have never heard the gospel (or more simply, why doesn’t everyone become saved?) 2. Why does a loving God allow evil, pain and suffering to exist? Calvinism’s whiplash response to the first question, is simply that God elects those whom He chooses, and quite likely He didn’t choose entire remote people groups, if they have never heard the gospel. This view of man’s unbelief serves to extinguish any anxiety surrounding who will be saved, or not. And secondly, Calvinists declare that any form of evil, pain and suffering is to be deemed as coming from God; a revelation of His sovereign will, and all to His divine glory. The latter would even include the sins of the elect, as they would be directed by God to His honor and glory. In both cases, God is responsible for all of it, the good, the bad, and the ugly. Never mind that the entirety of scripture clearly teaches us that God provides each one of us a measure of light to draw us unto Him, “. . . so that they are without excuse,” Romans 1:18-32, 2:1-16. A wonderful Biblical illustration to this point is that of the Ethiopian eunuch, who receives a measure of light through the Scriptures and is seeking guidance. In this instance, God sends Phillip to minister to just ONE man, because this one man followed the light that God gave him. And with regard to all that is wicked and desperate in this life, it is far more settling and “under control” to think that God is responsible for all of it, than to consider we live in a fallen and cursed world. And more so, we may be tempted to take less personal responsibility for our own brokenness and sin, because we may want to believe that even our sin is God’s will manifested for some greater divine purpose. Praise God that our Lord demonstrates that He is loving, merciful, and compassionate, and One Who “. . . is long-suffering toward us, not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance.” 2 Peter 3:9 KJV.

[@jayrodriguez84]

You don't have to remain in the lie! The names written in the Book of Life in Revelation 17:8 are in the PERFECT tense, PASSIVE voice. The truth shall set you free 🕊 Strong's: G1125 English: were written Code: V-RPI-3S Long: Verb - Perfect Passive Indicative - 3rd Person Singular Speech: Verb 👉Tense: Perfect👈 👉Voice: Passive👈 Mood: Indicative Person: 3rd Person Number: Singular Rev 17:8 The beast that thou sawest was, and is not; and shall ascend out of the bottomless pit, and go into perdition: and they that dwell on the earth shall wonder, whose names were G1125 ➔ not written G1125 in the book of life from the foundation of the world, when they behold the beast that was, and is not, and yet is.

[@lindajohnson4204]

​@@jayrodriguez84There is so much about the importance of the gospel of salvation, and the freedom of all people to receive or reject it, that it has to be "elect, according to the foreknowledge of God", no matter how much so many seem to despise it. Election does not trump our willingly receiving the gospel through faith, as a decider of salvation. God is not talking out of both sides of His mouth. There is no good news in salvation that so many would have no access to. But if Jesus draws all men (John 12:32), then there is access to God, because God does not lie. To those who have, more will be given, and all have, we know, because of John 12:32 and other verses like it inyhat way .

[@jayrodriguez84]

@lindajohnson4204 In Greek corresponds to the perfect tense in English, and describes an 👉action which is viewed as having been completed in the past, once and for all, not needing to be repeated.👈 Jesus' last cry from the cross, TETELESTAI ("It is finished!") is a good example of the perfect tense used in this sense, namely "It [the atonement] has been accomplished, completely, once and for all time."

[@lindajohnson4204]

@jayrodriguez84 I don't see how that tense is relevant to it not being foreseen faith. Nothing God does would need to be repeated that way, either. God has said that He would have all men be saved and to come unto a knowledge of the truth. Jesus said that it is not the will of the Father that one of these little ones perish. If God predestinated people for salvation, before they were little ones, without any reference to how they would someday respond to the gospel, then neither of those statements can be true, except maybe in the multiverse. But even that wouldn't work, because we don't have multigods. If our God wants a handful saved, and not the rest, then he couldn't truthfully say that He doesn't want any of them to perish, or that He wants all of them to be saved, and to come unto a knowledge of the truth. And those are both statements of God's word. So that gives us a choice: cling to the reasoning of theologians, which makes God's word have to be untrue, or drop the theologians, and believe God. "Let God be true, and every man a liar," is wise counsel, but it, too, is the Bible.

[@jeromemausling6324]

God is love and in him there is no evil. He is also sovereign. Have you considered that God in His sovereign love, who wills that all shall be saved, will save all? This is the only position that affirms God's love for all and His sovereignty and that does not make God the author of evil or an arbitrary savior

[@biblicaltheologyexegesisan9024]

I hope so how could God hold them accountable at death Of course God gives every individual the ability to be saved.

[@williammarinelli2363]

Sometimes online Calvinists use the argument of "the existence of those tribes that never hear is evidence of unconditional election" with an air of validation, of "gotcha." It belies an extra sense of depravity to use the idea of an unreached people group as some sort of stumper. "Ha ha, gotcha on that one. I stumped you. I win. Woohoo!"

[@TheRomans9Guy]

Leave it to Calvinists to come up with amazingly unbiblical arguments to try to paint God into some evil character. Next time they bring up unreached tribes, ask them if they know Romans has a chapter 2?

[@markdeduke606]

Scripture clarifies that thought very well and clearly; Romans 1:19-20-19 since what may be known about God is plain to them, because God has made it plain to them. 20 For since the creation of the world God’s invisible qualities-his eternal power and divine nature-have been clearly seen, being understood from what has been made, so that people are without excuse. 2 Peter 3:9-The Lord is not slow to fulfill his promise as some count slowness, but is patient toward you, not wishing that any should perish, but that all should reach repentance. Ezekiel 18:32-For I have no pleasure in the death of anyone, declares the Lord God; so turn, and live.” Just a few

[@lukepoplawski3230]

Because book…..

[@markdeduke606]

@@lukepoplawski3230 ?????

[@lukepoplawski3230]

@@markdeduke606 You’re using circular reason to prove yourself correct which is intellectual dishonest and illogical. Ie “Why do you believe what the Bible claims about this?@ “Because the Bible says it’s true.” Apply the same logic to literally any piece of fiction and it still fits. I think Harry Potter is real and happened because it says in book one he’s the boy who lived.

[@g.c.541]

Very well said, Leighton!

[@Rich.Staples]

I've heard you say you have another channel coming soon that will adress issues other than Calvinism. I am looking forward to seeing this. Ive tried looking online for more info on this and haven't seen anything as yet. Please share some links to where we can find other content from you.

[@CynVee]

Been missing your teaching, Dr. Flowers. I'm glad to see a post. Heard you were on vacation but also ill. Hope you are feeling better. In your absence, I watched more Warren and discovered AK Richardson. It's been great, but I am looking forward to your videos. Haven’t watched your chat on AK's channel yet, but I am looking forward to it. Blessings 🙏🙏🙏✝️✝️✝️

[@coreykeplinger3391]

Go preach the Gospel to every creature

[@jz8944]

Men who never hear of Jesus are also saved by faith in God. An example is Abraham, who “rejoiced to see my day; and he saw it, and was glad” (John 8:56). These saints trusted in God to save them although they don’t know how God would save them. Before Cornelius heard the gospel, Peter called Cornelius a person acceptable to God because he “fears God, and works righteousness” (Acts 10:35). Actually, here is how the Bible describes Cornelius before Peter spoke to him: “a devout man, and one that feared God with all his house, who gave much alms to the people, and prayed to God always.” (Acts 10:2).

[@EugeneHolley-rc6ry]

I really did like the video.

[@Kaitlyn-li7wz]

I just wanted to say I always enjoy your video and show showing the errors in Calvinism in a respectful way. I currently attend a Lutheran church and I like their view on predestination, they say predestination is a comfort to the believer not concerning the unbeliever at all, uphold the truth of God having to work in us with his Holy Spirt before salvation and the fact that we can’t come to him on our own while still holding to Gods genuine desire for all people to be saved!

[@JustSomeBasilBread]

That voice replay is cool first time I've seen that

[@krstnmarie3]

Is there any verse at all (not out of context) that says only the elect can believe?

[@UnfrozenCavemanLawyer-xq1qi]

Using the definition of the term calvinists use, as you have is incorrect and unbiblical. There's no verse or passage that defines as "elect" those pre-selected to receive eternal life. Same with predestined and chosen. Calvinistic definitions should be avoided. Which begs the question, "then how does the Bible define them?"

[@krstnmarie3]

@@UnfrozenCavemanLawyer-xq1qi I'm asking because my husband is now a Calvinist and I am not. I asked him last night to show me where the Bible states that one can only believe if they're one of the elect or "chosen". I personally have not come across such a passage. He believes faith is a gift that is only given to those chosen for salvation

[@joningram4187]

Nope...there's not

[@mikelyons2831]

Sadly, it sounds like he has succumbed to Calvinism. There's no vs stating some are pre-reprobated by God. But rather God wants all to come to repentance. Hell was prepared for the Devil & his Angels not us. God sent His Son to deliver EVERYONE who will & CAN call upon Jesus from the sting of death caused by sin. 👿 would get more souls if God only irresistibly regenerates/saves an arbitrary few elect.

[@JosiahTheSiah]

@@krstnmarie3 man that breaks my heart. You could maybe do a word study through the whole Bible... 1. election is Holy Nation language. It's about having access to the truth so as to bless the world-not about individuals chosen to go to Heaven. 2. Predestination is about our glorification. God's plan to resurrect us and make us like Christ. Once you get election and predestination out of the Augustinian/Medieval Europe/Calvinistic context, and into their proper 1st century Jewish context, Calvinism is just shown to have poor presuppositions to start with.

[@fandude7]

There is freedom and rest in Christ, not drudgery and "white knuckling" good works and fearing the next sin. God loves his children, prays for us and guide us towards His Son.

[@canadiankewldude]

Amen

[@tommorgan6530]

What happened to John Mac?

[@themanisnoone8401]

Romans 9 answered this as well as proverbs 16:4

[@timcox9650]

Something to think about… The Calvinist system rests on an objective truth (according to them) - that God in eternity chose some to be his own, that Christ died for them alone, and the Spirit effectively called the elect alone. But you won’t find a Calvinist who doesn’t believe that they are the elect. Interesting.

[@Dizerner]

I have met a few Calvinists who were honest enough to admit they could be deceived about their election. They are rare though in my experience.

[@timcox9650]

@@Dizerner it’s so sad. First, since a Calvinist can’t look to the cross and see true Biblical universal atonement, their assurance of God’s election eventually rests on the evidence they see in their own lives. Second, there is the concept of evanescent grace. This is the grace God supposedly gives some of the reprobate to experience the new life in Christ for a time, even though they are not among the chosen elect. What a twisted mess.

[@Dizerner]

@@timcox9650 It certainly is difficult to find security in that system. although you could make a logical case if the elect have some kind of higher assurance than the evanescent convert. In practice, I found most Calvinists very convinced they were elect, without explaining any adequate reason why, certainly nothing I would find comforting. However, they would argue that depending on your own free will makes them too nervous about their ability to consistently choose the right thing. However, the whole point of Calvinism is a way to resolve the tension in the problem of evil, and the other side of the extreme does the exact same thing in the opposite way, such that you often find two people in error both condemning each other. I find it is not so much a specific doctrine that is a "twisted mess," but the human heart, itself, that gravitates to them.

[@kristianmontalvo2654]

Dr flowers. How can i have that writing to share in my congregation?

[@Soteriology101]

The book titled “God’s provision for all” also covers this

[@kristianmontalvo2654]

@Soteriology101 Doctor flowers, thank you for answering me. I just ordered your book as you suggested. I didn't know anything about you until one day I saw one of your videos and since then I have followed you and I have learned so much, thank God for that. I am currently studying a book of his called The Potter's Promise. Before you I only had one resource. a book called The Other Side of Calvinism by author Lawrence M Vance. This has been very helpful too. The book is almost 800 pages. I don't know if you know him or have heard of him, but he has been very good. Blessings brother.

[@hmedia101]

Until I came across Calvinist activists online, I’d never heard the word soteriology. Anyone can be saved. I’d like to see a Calvinist try and prove that the reason people reject God is people they are unelect. Absurd.

[@user-ly2dr2wk4y]

At the end of redemption history there will be a number of those who believe which God already knew they would before He created them.

[@UnfrozenCavemanLawyer-xq1qi]

Scripture please.

[@user-ly2dr2wk4y]

So are you saying God doesn’t know

[@larrybedouin2921]

“If any man will do his will, [obedience] he shall know of the doctrine, whether it be of God, or whether I speak of myself.” {John 7:17}

[@saraburns7430]

Hello, this is probably not the best place to ask this, but I couldn't find any other avenue. I'm trying to ascertain how or if Calvanism affects end times prophecy type studies. Additionally, I want to study Daniel, Ezekiel, and Revelation without being falsely pointed to bits that reinterpret the elect as something its not. Can someone direct me to resources or videos about this? Thanks.

[@Dizerner]

Careful end times attracts a lot of hokey stuff. I'd stick with the Word and prayer and do your own study.

[@AnniEast]

The interpretation of end time prophecy largely depends on whether someone is premil, amil or postmil. I would suggest finding a teaching from each. Following along in your bible and prayerfully consider which is more biblical.

[@blackwater642]

Many noncalvinists are dispensationalists, Calvinists are usually not. For studies on individual Bible books I’d consider reading commentaries on each book. All you can do is research the authors and the commentary series to see if it’s by Calvinists or not, remembering that many Reformed theologians still have some great books. Eschatology is a tough area for me because there are so many crackpots. Good luck!

[@larrybedouin2921]

Look for Steven Bohr, The man know prophecy as do I, but I do not have videos on the subject save for in my KZbin library. For the first 1,800 years of the church age the method of prophecy interpitation was Historicism. Futurism and Preterism (fallen methods) were not so prevalent as they're today.

[@larrybedouin2921]

The state of the dead, according to the word of God. But of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, thou shalt not eat of it: for in the day that thou eatest thereof *thou shalt surely die* {Genesis 2:17} Man dieth, and wasteth away: yea, man giveth up the ghost, and where is he? ... So man lieth down, and riseth not: till the heavens be no more, they shall not awake, nor be raised out of their *sleep* O that thou wouldest hide me in the grave, that thou wouldest keep me secret, *until thy wrath be past* that thou wouldest appoint me a set time, and remember me! If a man die, shall he live again? all the days of my appointed time will I wait, 👉till my change come. ... His sons come to honour, and he knoweth it not; and they are brought low, but he perceiveth it not of them. {Job 14:10, 12-14 & 21} And though after my skin worms destroy this body, yet in *my flesh* shall I see God. {Job 19:26} Whatsoever thy hand findeth to do, do it with thy might; for there is no work, nor device, *nor knowledge nor wisdom* in the grave, whither thou goest. {The Preacher 9:10} Put not your trust in princes, nor in the son of man, in whom there is no help. His breath goeth forth, he returneth to his earth; *in that very day his thoughts perish* {Psalm 146:3-4} Then said his disciples, Lord, if he *sleep* he shall do well. Howbeit Jesus spake of his death: but they thought that he had spoken of taking of rest in sleep. Then said Jesus unto them plainly, "Lazarus is dead." {John 11:12-14} ... Martha saith unto him, I know that he shall rise again in the resurrection 👉at the last day. Jesus said unto her, "I am the resurrection, and the life: he that believeth in me, though he were dead, yet *shall* he live:" {John 11:24-25} But go thou thy way till the end be: for *thou shalt rest* and stand in thy lot *at the end of the days* {Daniel 12:13} For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him *should not perish* but have everlasting life. {John 3:16} And *the serpent said* unto the woman, *Ye shall not surely die* {Genesis 3:4} Thou art the anointed cherub that covereth; and I have set thee so: thou wast upon the holy mountain of God; thou hast walked up and down *in the midst of the stones of fire* {Ezekiel 28:14} ^ (satan always turns the tables on God, for he is the father of lies.) The sinners in Zion are afraid; fearfulness hath surprised the hypocrites. *Who* among us shall dwell with the devouring fire? who among us shall dwell with everlasting burnings? *He that walketh righteously and speaketh uprightly he that despiseth the gain of oppressions that shaketh his hands from holding of bribes that stoppeth his ears from hearing of blood and shutteth his eyes from seeing evil* {Isaiah 33:14-15} If anyone errors in their understanding of this doctrine of the dead, then they will in no way be led to the understanding of the truth, for it will be a stumblingblock unto the decernment of spiritual things, including soilterology and eschatology.

[@tedfordhyde]

People who want truth, get truth. People who don't, won't.

[@getrit3007]

Dr. Flowers, did I understand you to say that Calvinism is not another gospel. I can’t remember where I heard you say that but was curious how it is not another gospel in your mind?

[@Dizerner]

The way I've come to see it, is a perversion of the Gospel is not quite a severe a category as a different Gospel altogether. We could say it's "different" than it's suppose to be because aspects of it are incorrect, but if certain core components are still present, it is not completely and entirely different.

[@UnfrozenCavemanLawyer-xq1qi]

​@@Dizerner In Calvinism, there is no assurance, beyond their own experience of good works. Thus they can never know for sure if they are of "the chosen" or simply deceived by their reprobated mind. To go through life not really knowing if they've truely trusted Christ makes their "Christian walk" a pantomime, or a performance. Pretending to be a Christian in the hope that they are (so, Lordship salvation), which they won't find out until death, which it's too late. There's really no good news in Calvinism. Either you're "elect", of which you can't really know for sure (meanwhile your conscience condemns you for sins committed, thus "proving" reprobation), or a reprobate bound for Hell, of which most people are, to whom the Gospel is useless. They'll pay lip service to Jesus and the Gospel, but to a Calvinist the only possible good news would be "election", of which they cant know - until it's too late. That isn't the Gospel of Jesus, friend😊 Having said all that, there surely are Christians that became Calvinist. But they are Christian in spite of Calvinism, not because of it. They're simply deceived, and don't understand what Calvinism really teaches.

[@larrybedouin2921]

It is an anti-gospel. It takes the name [character] of Hod in vain.

[@indigofenrir7236]

Calvinists say salvation isn't for everyone and it's God's choice. Jesus says it's for everyone but it's our choice (Jn 3:15). Idk about y'all, but the JC who died on the cross for our sins and conquered death on our behalf certainly didn't stand for "John Calvin".

[@Joel-Serra]

No, Jesus never says it's our choice, He chooses us, we don't choose Him. *John 15:16* You did NOT choose Me, but I chose you and appointed you that you should go and bear fruit and that your fruit should abide, so that whatever you ask the Father in My name, he may give it to you.

[@indigofenrir7236]

@@Joel-Serra "whoever believes in Him shall not perish but have everlasting life" Choosing to believe requires free will. Do you actually know the context for that verse? That verse applies only to the disciples. Jesus said that shortly after the Last Supper, after the Vine Discourse. Pick the Vine, not the cherries.

[@Joel-Serra]

@@indigofenrir7236 Belief requires faith, yes? And faith is a gift that only comes from God. *Ephesians 2:8* For by grace are ye saved *through faith,* and that NOT of yourselves: it is the gift of God. Where do you see anything about "free will" in that verse? _Do you actually know the context for that verse? That verse applies only to the disciples._ Applies only to the disciples? If you're a follower of Christ then you ARE His disciple. *John 8:31* So Jesus said to the Jews who had believed him, “If you abide *in my word,* you are truly my disciples." If you are not abiding in His word, then you are not His disciple, you are not a follower of Christ. Is that what you're telling me, and everyone else on this channel? Do YOU know the "context" of the verses that you are quoting?

[@Dizerner]

Yes, Scripture teaches a free will decision enabled by grace.

[@indigofenrir7236]

@@Joel-Serra Belief is a gift. Have you ever gotten a birthday present before? You have the free will to accept it or not. Scripture is either descriptive or prescriptive. Not everything Jesus says is directed at the reader; just because Jesus said Simon's name is now Peter doesn't mean every Simon who reads the Bible becomes Peter. You're eisegeting the Bible; that's very clear given you are unable to refute John 3:16 and simply defending a verse you took out of context. I want you to prove how John 3:16 doesn't speak of free will. Another example is Acts 16:30-31. The jailer is asking how to be saved, and Paul told him to believe in Jesus. He was given a choice.

[@Veretax]

The only problem I have with what was said here and I need more time to think about this. don't think I'm making a statement that saying that Dr flowers is wrong here. Paul writes that the gospel is the power unto salvation. And this part of Paul's message has stuck with me for a long time but I'm not sure if my memory is parsing a verse incorrectly and I need to go find it. But when you think about how everything was spoken to the world and creation it was spoken and it became and then in John when you find out that the word was with God and the Word was God Jesus the light is the word I don't see how you separate the light from the message of the Gospel but I also think the point about if we closed and reject right away I do think that some people do this listen to the message I also think God created in such a way that we can recognize truth and I also think that because of the fall and the knowledge of Good and Evil that we received because of it we know what is right and wrong and I think only in that moment when we receive the Gospel and hear it step of faith. Some people think faith is at work no I think faith is a response to things we know are there but they're not concrete they're not something we can just physically touch like a like a rock or a tree. Anyhow I got a Ponder this one some more you give me some things to think about but the way Dr flowers where did this I agree with most of what he says here but because I have some different thoughts on some of the things he says I need to meditate on them more because this is one of the reasons why I don't think I can claim to be a provisionist even though I tend to favor that side over the Armenian and calvinist persuasion I don't feel like I'm a provisionist per se I feel like there's something else

[@Dizerner]

What don't you like about the Arminian position.

[@Veretax]

@@Dizerner interesting question the reality is I don't think I've heard many people fully articulate The Armenian position so I can't even tell you what it is

[@Dizerner]

@@Veretax Thanks for the honest answer there! I do find that Classical Arminianism is rather poorly represented. Generally, the number one criticism from the Provisionist camp is the belief in a sin nature and its need for grace to respond to the Gospel.

[@Veretax]

@@Dizerner my phone does not like me today. this is the third time I've tried to write this post. One of the things that I have been struggling with, and I don't want to describe it as necessarily a battle of Faith per se, but as I have been reading the Bible recently and I encountered the term sin I find myself asking the question what is really being meant when we say sin? And the reality is we go back to the origins of that term and it originates in archery. it literally means to miss the target. No I don't think it means to miss the bullseye, or to miss the circle, or to even miss the paper on the edges of the target it's like to miss it entirely like not even close. I'm reminded of something Ravi Zacharias used to say before he was disgraced and then passed away. how when you think about Sin you have to understand that anything that was sin was a violation of God's purpose for his creation. Everything you look at has to do with how we either relate to God, relate to other people within the family of God- be it at church or Israel, and also how we react to people outside it, as well as how we react to other creatures and things in the world. When you get down to it sin is going against God's plan and intentions for these things.. now I think everyone in this thread has probably heard some Pastor or perhaps some character in a show talking about how sin is such an evil thing. And God describes many of these things as evil. that's surely true and yet sin is not really an object. It is what is a quality or rather a lack thereof of being on target with God's purpose.. and I wonder how many people who are not yet Christians, if they heard that it's not so much that you're condemned, even though the Bible does say you're condemned, it's that God is trying to tell you you're not using your life right, come back to me, and I will show you how to live. this feels like a bad paraphrase somehow, and I haven't yet found a good way to express this idea. When people talk about the fall and what really may have happened there I can't help but Wonder why it was the serpent says you will not surely die and of course they don't as if the serpent but what happened really was they could no longer have True Fellowship with God because they understood more than they really maybe needed to know and it made it hard to walk beside God and that's why they had to be expelled. Now talk about original sin and the idea of depravity, I think that it's like a cookie cutter cookies still but they might not be in the shape they were originally intended to be in and because of that how they get used to make changed like a misshapen gear or sprocket there might be more on this but my mind is already worn out so I'm going to take a rest for the rest of the day from this thread

[@Dizerner]

@@Veretax Wow, bless you for all that effort friend. I appreciate you sharing your heart. You have to understand-I believe we are in the image of God, but humans are evil and born evil. Sin is not just a misshapen cookie. It's evil. It deserves damnation for all eternity. God is far more holy than we are used to-he is not a republic. We do not have inherent rights before him. He owns the rights, he owns the deed, he owns the land, he owns it all, and Adam and Eve sold it to Satan and sin. If you recognize in your spirit that sin has to be evil-I urge you not to compromise on it, because our flesh doesn't like the severity of God's ways, and ministers and friends and fellow Christians say God shouldn't be like that. It is in the heart that our conscience tells us, God IS like that. Sin really IS that bad, and that's why it took God taking hell for us on the Cross, and not just Jesus having a bad weekend. You need to understand-the Bible says false teachers will have a stricter judgment. These people have violated their conscience and ran over the Holy Spirit with a stubborn, prideful and perverse spirit, and they will be that much more accountable on Judgment Day, even if in God's mercy he still saves them and even blesses their ministries to an extent. They have allowed the devil a place. Come out from among them and be ye separate, and yes, that includes compromise and judgment beginning in the house of God. Take a firm stand. Peace.

[@Yaas_ok123]

Please address Free grace theology !

[@grizz4489]

Soundwave, haven't you requested that before ?

[@Yaas_ok123]

@@grizz4489 Yep, but nobody seems to care. Read their book and it got me worried....

[@grizz4489]

@@Yaas_ok123 which book are you referring to ?

[@Yaas_ok123]

@@grizz4489 A defence of free grace theology.

[@grizz4489]

@@Yaas_ok123 There are kinda two camps in free grace theology. So the book you are referring to are more in line with one camp where as the other camp holds to some slight differences. I highly recommend books offered through Grace Evangelical Society and especially authors such as Zane Hodges and Bob Wilken. The free grace movement is growing !!

[@larrybedouin2921]

The scriptures in order to be properly understood must be understood from the point of view of God's freedom and mans responsibility, not from the pretext of God's Sovereignty and mans predestination.

[@klaudiacarolinemaianeves5466]

I think no

[@noybiznatch]

Question all... how does a non-Calvinist answer 1 Corinthians 1:18-24? I believe Romans 1:16 is true wholeheartedly. Leighton makes the argument that the revealed Gospel itself is sufficient for someone to come to Christ correct? How does this square with 1 Corinthians 1:18-24 though? That the preaching of the Gospel is foolishness to those that are perishing. And that only those that are called, can understand basically. Prior to actually BELIEVING first and being called (regenerated first)... the preaching of the Gospel itself is foolishness. Thoughts anyone?

[@AnniEast]

Doesnt it say to those who are being saved it is the power of God? Pretty sure it doesnt say for those who are called

[@losnfjslefn8857]

"How does a non-Calvinist answer 1 Corinthians 1:18-24?" Answer what exactly? What question specifically do you think is being raised in these verses? You mean the part about "perishing"? It is the power of God to who? Those who *ARE* saved (Not "those who are being saved or will be saved"). Prior to believing, everyone was perishing.

[@jdmerrick7976]

John 7:17 seems like a poor choice for a proof text. The CSB translates it "If anyone wants to do his will, he will know whether the teaching is from God or whether I am speaking on my own." The NIV is similar, using "find out" instead of "know". In other words, if you desire to be obedient, you will be able to discern truth from error about some teaching. But this isn't a promise that you will hear the truth in the first place. In context, Jesus' words were about teaching that the had already been heard, but some couldn't acknowledge its truth. The phrasing "know of the doctrine/teaching" comes from the KJV - ASV - NASB 77. At one time that was probably a good translation, but nowadays saying "you will know of" means that you will discover that it exists, but saying "you will know about" means you will learn something aspect about it (in this case, its truthfulness). The NASB 2020 and the NET translate the phrase "know _about_ the teaching", which matches the meaning of the CSB/NIV.

[@rjc9537]

God’s desire for “none to perish” clearly reveals God allowing man to reject Him… Otherwise, we serve a weak God who cannot fulfill His own desire. Calvinist explain this verse away by saying God’s “desire” is not His “will”. 🤦 But that is a complete contradiction to the “Sovereignty” and “Power” of God to do as He pleases… 🤔🤔🤔

[@JesusIsLord777-lz7mg]

Quit lying. Christ predestined us -> TO -> sonship/justification. ‭Ephesians 1:5 NKJV‬ [5] having predestined us to adoption as sons by Jesus Christ to Himself, according to the good pleasure of His will, Adoption AS IN WHAT? AS IN SONS = SONSHIP. THIS VERSE IS NOT TALKING ABOUT BEING PREDESTINED TO GLORIFICATION AFTER BELIEVING.

[@grizz4489]

I studied and learned that all bornagain believers ARE sons by status BUT not all of them will receive the adoption ( redemption of the body ) as a son in the future. To receive the adoption as a son is a reward based on faithfulness in walking by the Spirit ( yieldedness ).

[@jjphank]

@@JesusIsLord777-lz7mg Ephesians. One only plurals are predestined! it says “us and we”never “you and I“ are predestined look at the language.!

[@rjc9537]

@@JesusIsLord777-lz7mg But you’re not answering my main point… Why would God desire, wish and hope and not will it to happen?

[@JesusIsLord777-lz7mg]

@@rjc9537 Doomed from the womb. ‭Revelation 20:10 NKJV‬ [10] The devil, who deceived them, was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone 👉where the beast and the false prophet are.👈 And they will be tormented day and night forever and ever.

[@adamclack6880]

“Through one man sin entered the world” - “all are fallen in Adam” - “ for al have sinned” … “nah that’s a Calvinist construct of original sin. 🤔🤔

[@Dizerner]

And Arminian as well.

[@losnfjslefn8857]

What exactly is your definition of Original Sin, though? How an individual defines Original Sin is what is going to determine whether or not someone else thinks it's a "Calvinist construct".

[@lukeroberts6019]

If God denies or prevents people from being saved then He is unjust for sending them to hell.

[@sethpawlik]

I’m not sure I understand Leighton. Please be clear.Take the American Indians for instance. For maybe 1500 years no one heard the gospel in the Americas. Are you saying that by believing in the light that God revealed they were able to become born again or were they all condemned to hell until missionaries told them the gospel??

[@dw6528]

DW: Over the years - I have met Indian believers - who insist that God did reveal himself to American Indians.

[@TheRomans9Guy]

Are you familiar with Romans 2? Judge is a perfect judge. You can trust he is perfectly able to judge people even if they’ve never heard of Jesus before.

[@lindajohnson4204]

Sometimes, it's good to leave the hopeless impasse of these arguments, and discover the same truths in the simple, breathtaking, sincere power of the gospel in someone's life. Someone who believes in Jesus like He's real, and this will carry us away from this foolishness, for a time, and we see that we're not crazy to believe that God is love, therefore Jesus is love, and the Father, the Son and the Holy Spirit want to save people, as the word of God says. Watch the testimony of this young man, brought up in a Hindu family, and ask yourself if this isn't what you, too, want? And this argument with Calvinism is shown to be so unnecessary, the truth is so clear. Of course, it is right to cast down imaginations that exalt themselves against the knowledge of God, but it isnt about that. It's about Jesus, and about the real faith in Him, and the relationship with Him He gives us as a gift. I wish we could post links! Title: "I KNEW THE DEVIL WAS REAL, AFTER I SAW THIS", but it isn't about the devil. You will love this young guy. @ Delafé Testimonies

[@user-hk2fr3mc9d]

Special revelation doesn’t save general doesn’t save… Romans 10:14-15 (LSB) 14 How then will they call on Him in whom they have not believed? How will they believe in Him whom they have not heard? And how will they hear without a preacher? 15 And how will they preach unless they are sent? Just as it is written, “HOW BEAUTIFUL ARE THE FEET OF THOSE WHO PROCLAIM GOOD NEWS OF GOOD THINGS!”

[@Deakon167]

The Creator keeps calling out people in every generations, like Noah in his generation. Abraham, Isaac and Jacob in their generations, and through this lineage came the promised One, the Messiah(the everlasting King). God gives mankind the ability to choose life and death, sadly most people choose the path of death and destruction, only those who respond to God's calling and follow Him have life.

[@allisonmcinnis5929]

I believed that I comitted the unforgivable sin in my mind. I keep having blasphemous thoughts. I'm spiritually dead and I feel hopeless. I blew my chance by having these thoughts

[@dw6528]

If you had really committed the unforgivable sin - it wouldn't bother you in the least. In order to get to that point - the mind has to be completely bent in that direction to the point where you could care less. If however - there is even a tiny fragment within you that desires to repent - then the Lord is still reaching out to you.

[@carlospadron488]

Not even close Allison…keep going God will straighten the path🙏

[@grizz4489]

The unpardonable sin can never be repeated.

[@jjphank]

The fact that you’re convicted of it means you are not lost. Read the Bible and pray and if you need some good Bible teachers, let me know there’s some good ones on the Internet! and the devil is a liar he keeps attacking you just admit that you sinned & your coverage or sin is on the cross so he continues to lie 2 You, read the book of Galatians five times in a row!

[@IlovetheTruth]

Allison, I felt like that once. Our feelings can be misleading. Trust what God has said and the blood of Jesus. Read Psalm 40. It was instrumental in bringing me back to trusting the Lord. When I cried out to God in anguish, He turned and heard my cry and lifted me out of my pit. He will do the same for you. His mercies are NEW every morning, great is His faithfulness. Repent and believe. God bless you.

[@robertovazquez8512]

I believe in the words in John 15. Jesus is the true vine and we are the branches. As long as the branch remains in the true branch it will be pruned by the Father (fed by the sap of the Holy Ghost) and will bear fruit. If it does not remains in the true vine, it will not bear fruit ( probable become a layering growing its own root instead of being fully grafted and become one with the true vine) and it will be toss into the fire.I understand that salvation is remaining in the true vine. Jesus is the way (being grafted into the true vine and remain in it, the truth (being in Christ identity is remaining structurally and functionally in the true vine), and life (there will be eternal life if we are grafted into the true vine and obtain life from its sap).

[@Harbinger290]

How do we join the vine? We dwell by faith not works - 1 John 4:13 (KJV) Hereby know we that we dwell in him, and he in us, because he hath given us of his Spirit.

[@grizz4489]

John 15 is not about everlasting life and being saved from the lake of fire. It is about abiding in Christ and warns us that if we do not abide in Christ we can experience Gods temporal judgment in this life.

[@your_name_here2158]

As an Open Theist, I currently believe that 'those who were never shown the gospel' are under a generational curse that their great ×50 grandfathers often all the way down to their fathers chose to reject the Scriptures, going back to Shem, Ham, and Japheth, those who rejected the Truth of Yahuah from the days of Noah are cursed. They can be freed by Scripture, by the Gospel, but if they stay i darkness in darkness they stay. That is why evalgelists are needed, to show them the way.

[@troyclegg9849]

Well, Ezekiel 18:20 says otherwise

[@your_name_here2158]

@@troyclegg9849 Yeah that is an isogesis you're doing there with all due respect. If a generation or two hides the knowledge of Yahuah put of hate from Him, they may doom their offspring. Only the evangelistic Hebrews or the NT era Believers could help them because they were so thoroughly decieved

[@5Solas1Truth]

I would say Avts 17 would point to no

[@SpaceCadet4Jesus]

1Ti 2:3-4 ISV 3 This is good and acceptable in the sight of God our Savior, 4 who wants all people to be saved and to come to know the truth fully. Act 17:30 ISV Though God has overlooked those times of ignorance, he now commands everyone everywhere to repent... Plenty of other scriptures reveal that God wants all to be saved.

[@5Solas1Truth]

@SpaceCadet4Jesus I would also say Acts 17 that says God made man and appointed where they live their boundaries and times.

[@austinp1998]

@@5Solas1Truth that has nothing to do with God choosing specific people for salvation. Read the verse in Acts 17 that the person replied to you. It literally says that God commands all men to repent. This means they have the ability to repent if they choose to. You have to interpret scripture in light of the entire Bible. You can’t take one verse out of context to form a doctrine.

[@5Solas1Truth]

@austinp1998 Correct. Did Paul have a choice to repent? I would day Galations 1 says no. The point is scripture speaks to both. It's both. God chooses and we are expected to repent. You can not separate the two. They work together.

[@austinp1998]

@@5Solas1Truth it’s not the Calvinistic idea of God choosing though. It’s the biblical idea of God choosing. Those are not the same.

[@fadedhope5]

At this point ive lost hope and no longer believe the good God i believed in exists. Ive tried for 2 years sence finding out about calvinism to find the truth but all ive found is that more than likely the evil god of calvinism is the one who is real which means i dont care to live anymore not with such an evil god as the calvinist one. Ive watched your vids alana's and many other youtubers. AND MORE IMPORTANTLY i read the bible and still cant see the good God anymore. And sadly ive even realized many of our bibles today have been altered and corrupted...especially the new gen z bible which is horrible. Its hurting to much to go back an forth gaining hope an losing it in regards to if the good God exists...i cant do it anymore. No one has a clear answer. We all are in the dark and know nothing. Im sorry for ranting im just broken and basically crying for help at this point.

[@AnniEast]

Thinking of you and praying you get the answers you need🙏

[@simonbutcher8534]

As ever you ignore Paul’s own conclusion about the whole of the human race, both Jew and Gentile - “both Jews and Greeks are under sin as it is written: “None is righteous, no, not one; no one understands; no one seeks for God. All have turned aside; together they have become worthless; no one does good! not even one….” (Rom. 3:9 - 18

[@2barphase]

When God told the children of Israel to go into the promised land and wipe out all before them where do they fit in the plan of salvation was God offering them the opportunity to be saved ? How is the opportunity presented to all ?

[@atyt11]

the "ALL" before them were under judgement. The people inhabiting the promise land had been given chance after chance to change their evil ways. They sacrificed their children to Baal. They were evil people and if any were innocent (children of the evil inhabitants) , they were killed as a consequence of those who were being judged. Any innocent will be saved and are in heaven.

[@jjphank]

God gave them the opportunity to be saved. he told Moses not to go in yet because their sins had not reached to judgment ; you left that part out! Romans two God judges, everybody who’s never heard about Christ by the law of their heart and their conscience !

[@ronbo30]

Absolutely not, aborted babies don’t.

[@mlauntube]

The hyper-focus on “salvation” from God’s judgment is narcissistic; and has become a distraction from the Gospel of The Kingdom. If Christians understand and preach the Gospel, the questions about being saved from God’s wrath goes away along with the goofy doctrines. Start with understanding what “Christ” means because Jesus was not the first Christ established by God.

[@pwx13]

Leighton are you a cessationist

[@EugeneHolley-rc6ry]

The answer to does everyone have the opportunity to be saved is NO, Jesus only died for sinners, if you are already righteous, he did not die for you.

[@dw6528]

DW: This is of course the Calvinist's answer.

[@akubalor]

@eugeneholley-rc6ry a God who does not give all the oppprtunity to be saved, it shows partiality and not justice.

[@grizz4489]

Gee, thats funny, my bible says that Jesus IS the propitiation not for our sins o nly but for the sins of the entire world.

[@dw6528]

@@grizz4489 DW: Of course the Calvinist - in order to make the text affirm his doctrine - has to re-define the words in the text. So in this case - he re-defines the word "WORLD" to not mean the whole world - just the world of the elect.

[@grizz4489]

@@dw6528 yeah, i know, i had to write my comment anyhow. God bless

[@jjphank]

Yes! God wants all men to be saved first Timothy 2:4, second peter 3:9! God, predestines groups or plurals only, never individuals. Ephesians 1 -2 points: “ us and we” are pre-destined never “you and I“! And 11 times in 11 verses from 3-14 you have to remain “in Christ“ (in him, in whom) to be predestined! Romans 9:1-3 Paul is talking about the nation of Israel, all the way to the end of chapter 11 ! So, “Jacob, I loved, Esau I hated“ is genesis 25:23 “there are two nations in your womb“! It’s talking about ‘Nations,’ not individuals in the whole context of those three chapters! Stop taking it out of context, along with Ephesians 1! Of course, we have the story of Jacob and Esau and how Esau despised his birthright ! So God truly does love all people, he truly did make hell for the devil and his angels just as Matthew 25:41 says ! Even the 42 youths, mauled by the 2 bears, was because they mocked Elijah‘s rapture, a.k.a. the resurrection , they were saying “go on up Baldy “ ; and ALL their prophets just recently Were killed by Elijah and they should’ve known to stop worshiping Baal! Bethel was the headquarters of Baal worship, where this took place! 490 priests got killed by Elijah, There was no Priests around,; should’ve been a gigantic clue. So God never arbitrarily and haphazardly deals with any human being ! His love cannot be measured says Romans 8! But if you’re a Calvinist, it’s “his love cannot be measured , (Wink, wink)“! Come out of the false belief system of Calvinism ! Now you have no excuse because you cannot out argue this, let’s hear you try! Read Matthew 25 the parable of the Calvinists, a.k.a. talents ! Where the guy buried his talent calling God,- somebody who doesn’t judge rightly & he was thrown into hell as a result! He had the wrong view of God, & So Will a Calvinist, they’ll have a callous view of God & The love of Christs sacrificial death on the cross! Jesus was crucified before the foundations of the world, but he only had to die one time Says hebrews, so don’t get it wrong like Moses; when did Jesus die ? So this trumps predestination before the foundations of the world, because God chose to to write this to disprove & trump predestination! Revelation 13:8

[@grizz4489]

You said....." so don't get it wrong like Moses " . Are you kidding me ??!? You speak against Moses ? Where in scripture did Moses get it wrong ? Did not Jesus say to the pharisees " if you had believed Moses you would believe me " Dude be careful

[@jjphank]

@@grizz4489 When Moses hit the rock twice

[@daru232]

God has predestined ONE person that is our Lord Jesus Christ to be our Living Covenant for salvation ( Isaiah 42:6 , 49:6 ) , whosoever by freewill chooses to enter and perseveringly abide by faith in the Christ's covenant will 'stay' safe . The bible is not called Old and New 'Coercion' but 'Covenant' , our relationship with Him especially in matter of salvation is not coercive (like what Calvin misunderstood) but covenantal . God is always ever willing to save us and to 'preserve' our salvation unto the end but without human's freewill consent there will be no covenant --- Amos 3:3 Can two walk together, unless they be agreed ?

[@grizz4489]

@@daru232 ‭John 3:16 NKJV‬ [16] For God so loved the world that He gave His only begotten Son, that whoever believes in Him should not perish but have everlasting life.

[@jjphank]

@@daru232 Jesus had free will to walk away or not go on the cross or sin, but he chose not to! Jesus deity Jesus left his deity in heaven, and humbled Himself, and became a man according to Philippians 2 ! He operated in the fullness & power of the Holy Spirit according to John 3:34! He could not judge he did not know the end times only the father did, and he had to learn obedience says Hebrews 5:8 ! What great humility he had for us, to die for our sins! Even when he’s called “good teacher“ he said “nobody is good, except God” pointing to God the father, and pointing away from himself at the same time ! Why did Jesus have to get alone & pray to God all the time ? If he’s God, he wouldn’t have had to do that! Now everything makes sense ! Jesus is Lord of all, The second person in the godhood, and received his deity back in heaven ! After his resurrection, there’s power in the name of Jesus, he said that himself in several verses! A major point This also proves, is that he suffered real pain! Jesus didn’t have his self-deity to ease the pain on the cross, cuz he was tempted at all points as we were, and did not succumb to temptation! Sweating drops of blood, knowing he was going to get pain ! And god cannot tempt anyone, Nor Can God Be tempted with evil, says James 1:13, so how could he have been tempted by Satan, allowing Jesus to be tempted, violating that verse; either James 1:13 is true or it’s not! So he couldn’t have had his deity on him, otherwise it would violate James 1:13! If he was deity on earth, yet allowed himself to be tempted, that’s a contradiction because he would’ve had his godship tempted; proving he was walking in the Fullness of the Holy Spirit, and not in his Godhood! James 1:13 When tempted, no one should say, “God is tempting me.” For God cannot be tempted by evil, nor does he tempt anyone; Hebrews 2:7-9 Jesus came to earth lower than the angels- while on earth, because 9 times In Hebrews one and two, God is never, nor has ever been, an angel! Luke 12:13-15 Jesus was not a Will executor to a man’s possession while on earth. Luke 12: 14 he said to him, ‘man who made me a judge or divider over you’ ? Jesus did not come to judge, that’s his second coming! It also says Jesus could’ve called 72,000 (12 legions of ) angels to rescue him. Why did he include the angels if he still had his godhood? He could’ve said I’m getting off the cross any moment cause I’m God; why include the angels (created beings, not omniscient ) in that process? God is holy, that means separate! Yet Jesus was tempted at all points, so he could not have been separate from temptation, if he truly was tempted, therefore, he was not God, he left his deity in heaven!

[@gojohnnygo3209]

The Lord is not slack concerning his promise, as some men count slackness; but is longsuffering to us-ward, not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance. If a Christian think this verse is for 8 billion people living on earth today they should re examine their faith again.

[@grizz4489]

The key to understanding this passage....... is " His Coming " which will bring judgment, God's temporal judgment on mankind. God does not want billions of people to experience premature death. He would rather mankind repent as opposed to billions dieing.

[@gojohnnygo3209]

@@grizz4489 - There is no temporal judgement in the bible: you added it in, from your imagination.

[@your_name_here2158]

Leighton, I am a fan of yours, but I do find concerning how much you sound like Billy Graham on this topic sometimes. Pastor Graham was a 33* Freemason and apostate. I would not will that you have anything in common with him.

[@lukepoplawski3230]

This entire video is disturbing, the idea that God gives up on people should be proof enough of his non existence, as the people who are turning away need him the most. Of course “over time their heart harden” that’s the entire process of learning something new. You learned math at a young age and then cemented that understanding over time, your heart become “hardened” to the factual patterns and concepts.

[@mbfrommb3699]

I get that Christians try to make sense of this topic but this video misses 2 Corinthians 4:3-4 and Romans 11. 2 Cor 4:3 But even if our gospel is veiled, it is veiled to those who are perishing, 4 whose minds the god of this age has blinded, who do not believe, lest the light of the gospel of the glory of Christ, who is the image of God, should shine on them. Romans 11:I say then, has God cast away His people? Certainly not! For I also am an Israelite, of the seed of Abraham, of the tribe of Benjamin. 2 God has not cast away His people whom He foreknew...7 What then? Israel has not obtained what it seeks; but the elect have obtained it, and the rest were blinded. 8 Just as it is written: “God has given them a spirit of stupor, Eyes that they should not see And ears that they should not hear, To this very day.” ...9 And David says: “Let their table become a snare and a trap, A stumbling block and a recompense to them. 10 Let their eyes be darkened, so that they do not see, And bow down their back always.” 11 I say then, have they stumbled that they should fall? Certainly not! But through their fall, to provoke them to jealousy, salvation has come to the Gentiles. So the LORD has blinded the Jews to salvation. Romans 11 continues...25 For I do not desire, brethren, that you should be ignorant of this mystery, lest you should be wise in your own [f]opinion, that blindness in part has happened to Israel until the fullness of the Gentiles has come in. 26 And so all Israel will be saved, as it is written: “The Deliverer will come out of Zion, And He will turn away ungodliness from Jacob; 27 For this is My covenant with them, When I take away their sins.” What are the Jewish people blinded to GOD? No. The GOD of Israel? No. The GOD of the Bible? No. Jesus. That's who they are blinded to for a time. So it isn't just about believing in GOD as the Creator and that He will give people the revelation of Jesus for them to accept or reject. So am I a Calvinist thinking GOD chooses who goes to Heaven and who goes to Hell? No. Not at all. I believe the fatal flaw in most Christians's theology is that our mortal deaths determine our eternal destiny. That the opportunity for salvation ends when we die. Why do we have various doctrines? Because we are trying to make sense of eternal Hell. Calvinists try to make Hell make sense by predetermining everyone's eternal destination. Not everyone has heard about Jesus therefore only the people whom GOD wants to save will be saved. Which reality tells us it's only a few. This video assumes that people who believe GOD exists and who try to live right will get a further revelation of Jesus to accept Him or reject Him. And if they don't well that was their choice. Off to hell for eternity they go. Sometimes I wonder if we even really read the Bible. I think many don't because they're afraid. For example, how many of us have loved ones who aren't saved, just wish GOD would appear to them and visit with them just like He did with Abraham in Genesis 18? Or send fire from Heaven like with Elijah? We're afraid, deathly afraid. We are more afraid of death than non-Christians. Non-Christians like Atheists believe they cease to exist when they die Christians believe their unsalved loved ones are in Hell for eternity. I'd rather be an Atheist instead of carrying around that kind of fear. Our Mortal death is not the end, it has never been. Before Jesus people died and ALL were separated from GOD. Both righteous who believed in GOD and those who didn't. They all went to Hades. The underworld before the cross. Some to Abraham's Bosom/Paradise and some to torment but ALL were separated from GOD. Until Jesus. Jesus didn't just die on the cross to pay for our sins, He paid for the sins of the whole world, past, present, and future. Adam, Abraham, David, The thief on the cross, and us and those yet to come were all paid for by His death. Then He was buried for 3 days and descended to Hades and preached to set the captives free. We see in Luke 16 that those in the place of torment could see those in Abraham's bosom. Luke 16:22 So it was that the beggar died, and was carried by the angels to Abraham’s bosom. The rich man also died and was buried. 23 And being in torments in Hades, he lifted up his eyes and saw Abraham afar off, and Lazarus in his bosom...24 “Then he cried and said, ‘Father Abraham, have mercy on me, and send Lazarus that he may dip the tip of his finger in water and cool my tongue; for I am tormented in this flame.’ 25 But Abraham said, ‘Son, remember that in your lifetime you received your good things, and likewise Lazarus evil things; but now he is comforted and you are tormented. 26 And besides all this, between us and you there is a great gulf fixed, so that those who want to pass from here to you cannot, nor can those from there pass to us.’ ...27 “Then he said, ‘I beg you therefore, father, that you would send him to my father’s house, 28 for I have five brothers, that he may testify to them, lest they also come to this place of torment.’ 29 Abraham said to him, ‘They have Moses and the prophets; let them hear them.’ 30 And he said, ‘No, father Abraham; but if one goes to them from the dead, they will repent.’ 31 But he said to him, ‘If they do not hear Moses and the prophets, neither will they be persuaded though one rise from the dead.’ ” Many go to Hades (which is NOT eternal hell, since on Judgment Day Hades is thrown into the Lake of Fire forever, Rev 20). Rev 20:14 Then Death and Hades were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death. Now how cruel would the LORD be if this man only in torment after death, begged for mercy, cried out to be saved and the LORD ignored him? To late I guess. Even though Jesus hadn't died yet for him to reject Jesus but still had to remain in Hades. No. I don't believe so. I believe this story tells us there were those in torment who heard Jesus preach and were in a place of repentance to accept His gift during His 3 days in the tomb. I believe that the afterlife becomes very real when we die and the LORD uses Hades as an evangelistic tool to save the lost. So yes the path is narrow for salvation in this life and many will end up in Hades, some to paradise and some to torment still separated from GOD. But now that Jesus died and rose again they can be rescued. Revelation 1: 18 I am He who lives, and was dead, and behold, I am alive forevermore. Amen. And I have the keys of Hades and of Death. 2 Peter 3 I believe eludes to this. 8 But, beloved, do not forget this one thing, that with the Lord one day is as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day. 9 The Lord is not slack concerning His promise, as some count slackness, but is longsuffering toward us, not willing that any should perish but that all should come to repentance. Our lives aren't 7000 years like Scripture is, our lives are 80+/- years. so why is Peter saying that the LORD will take the 7000 of Scripture "that ALL should come to repentance"? I believe that between our lives and the year 7000 when we enter into eternity in Rev 22 that everyone who has ever lived wherever they are will have come to know Jesus in His fullness, with complete knowledge to accept or reject Him. I think our ignorance of Hades and Hell, has really been detrimental in our doctrines. We live in fear or apathetic faith where we try to share Jesus deathly afraid of death and once our unsaved loved ones die we either struggle in real torment or in apathy trying to deal with the trauma that GOD must have saved them at the end when in our hearts we know they died rejecting GOD. When Jesus said: Matthew 16: 15 He said to them, “But who do you say that I am?” 16 Simon Peter answered and said, “You are the Christ, the Son of the living God.” 17 Jesus answered and said to him, “Blessed are you, Simon Bar-Jonah, for flesh and blood has not revealed this to you, but My Father who is in heaven. 18 And I also say to you that you are Peter, and on this rock I will build My church, and the gates of Hades shall not prevail against it. Jesus was saying that believers avoid Hades, that Hades; the next destination after our mortal lives would be avoided, that Hades could not claim us. 2 Cor 5:6 So we are always confident, knowing that while we are at home in the body we are absent from the Lord. 7 For we walk by faith, not by sight. 8 We are confident, yes, well pleased rather to be absent from the body and to be present with the Lord. No one is in eternal Hell aka the Lake of Fire until Revelation 19: when the first 2 occupants are thrown in. 20 Then the beast was captured, and with him the false prophet who worked signs in his presence, by which he deceived those who received the mark of the beast and those who worshiped his image. These two were cast alive into the lake of fire burning with brimstone. Revelation 20:10 The devil, who deceived them, was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone where the beast and the false prophet are. And they will be tormented day and night forever and ever. THEN Judgment Day for all the living and the dead. 11 Then I saw a great white throne and Him who sat on it, from whose face the earth and the heaven fled away. And there was found no place for them. 12 And I saw the dead, small and great, standing before God, and books were opened. And another book was opened, which is the Book of Life. And the dead were judged according to their works, by the things which were written in the books... 15 And anyone not found written in the Book of Life was cast into the lake of fire. This is when eternal Hell is sentenced and this is the ONLY time eternal Hell is sentenced to humanity. I hope this helps. Take care.

[@mikelyons2831]

Calvinists: "Man is so totally depraved he can't & won't seek God he is unwilling & incapable" Scripture: You were born when & where you were born to seek God (Acts 17:26-31) Calvinists, you have "chosen" Calvin's Institutes over scripture...pray on that a bit.

[@dw6528]

DW: Its interesting to also note - the "T" in the Calvinists TULIP is designed to function as a lie of omission. A lie of omission - is communication designed to mislead - by omitting critical facts which if NOT omitted would not mislead. The critical fact the 'T" strategically omits is the fact that the doctrine stipulates - the state of nature - including every man's nature - at every nano-second in time - is 100% meticulously predestined - and at any nano-second in time cannot be other than what it was decreed to infallibly be - and man is granted NO SAY and NO CHOICE in the matter.

[@JesusIsLord777-lz7mg]

Quit lying. The names of the Book of Life in Revelation 17:8 are in the PERFECT tense, PASSIVE voice. Strong's: G1125 English: were written Code: V-RPI-3S Long: Verb - Perfect Passive Indicative - 3rd Person Singular Speech: Verb 👉Tense: Perfect👈 👉Voice: Passive👈 Mood: Indicative Person: 3rd Person Number: Singular Rev 17:8 The beast that thou sawest was, and is not; and shall ascend out of the bottomless pit, and go into perdition: and they that dwell on the earth shall wonder, whose names were G1125 ➔ not written G1125 in the book of life from the foundation of the world, when they behold the beast that was, and is not, and yet is.

[@mikelyons2831]

@@dw6528 Spot on 👍. Many Calvinists deny that... because THEY don't understand Calvinism, lol. They think the West Minster & LBC are biblical, they both immediately contradict themselves: "God decrees ALL THINGS WHATSOEVER comes to pass... buuut your sin is on you Pal, you own that 🤣 Then I show them Book 1, chptr 16, prgph 8 from Calvin's Institutes. See guys, he taught absolute/meticulous/theistic determinism just like Islam.

[@mikelyons2831]

@@JesusIsLord777-lz7mg Interesting. Not sure I want to go off in the weeds on this with you... but what is your position on Exodus 32:32-34??

[@JesusIsLord777-lz7mg]

@@mikelyons2831 Think about the Scripture I gave you. Pray for understanding so that you won't continue to be deceived.

[@brentonstanfield5198]

Notice how he doesn’t really answer the question, i.e. What about people groups who have never heard the gospel? The general thesis appears to be (a) God has given sufficient revelation in creation and (b) if a person responds positively to that revelation then God will ensure that they receive revelation of the Son and the gospel. So why were there no Christians among the Aztecs in Pre-Columbus (eg 1300 AD) Mexico? Did they just not respond to the light as well as 1300 people in Spain, or Italy, or England? If Leighton’s thesis is true, why evangelize at all since God has already given sufficient light in nature and all one has to do is respond to that light and God will ensure they receive the gospel? A lot of unanswered questions here. Including, how doesn’t this lead to a kind of hyper-Provisionism where evangelism is unnecessary b/c God will get the gospel to wherever responds to the light of nature?

[@qwerty-so6ml]

Genesis 1 is Lucifer and the fallen angels. THey made man in their image. Man is an idol, a trap for angels. Only one Gospel: The Gospel of Reconciliation. Jesus Christ came into THEIR kingdom to reconcile fallen angels unto Himself. We are the fallen angels (ELOHIM) kept in DNA chains of darkness. If you do not confess being a fallen angel in Lucifer's kingdom, then you are an unbeliever. Unbeliever = those that claim to be made in the image of ELOHIM(gods). REPENT FALLEN ANGELS.

[@JTBennings]

Give me an G! Give me an N! Give me an O! S! T! I! C! “What’s that spell!?” “Heresy!!! ❤️”

[@qwerty-so6ml]

@@JTBennings Matthew 7:23 And then will I profess unto them, I never GINOSKO you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.

[@JTBennings]

@@qwerty-so6ml ah yes. Quoting Jesus out of context will fix it.

[@Chad-no3uz]

No, Everyone does not have an opportunity to be saved. Case in point, Romans 11:7 says all but a Remnant/Elect of the Jews are Blinded by God Himself and are still blinded to this day (Romans 11:25) from coming to Christ.

[@TheBiggestJesus]

Jesus already successfully finished His mission of saving the world (John 12:47,19:30). Because of this, all will hear the gospel, either in this life or later, at the great white throne. And all will believe, either in this life or later at the great white throne. God can grant the hearing and the belief in this life and later. No Scripture teaches that death is the deadline after which God is unable to reach sinners.

[@davidalvarado6420]

It is appointed unto man to die and then face judgement (Heb.9:27; Lk.16:19-31). Scripture is clear that people are not given the opportunity to be saved after death, they are judged.

[@TheBiggestJesus]

@@davidalvarado6420 and the negative effect of the judging is aioniou/eonian, not everlasting or eternal (Hebrews 6:2). What is the good purpose of all judging? That all will honor the Son. John 5:22-23 For neither is the Father judging anyone, but has given all judging to the Son, 23 that all may be honoring the Son, according as they are honoring the Father. He who is not honoring the Son is not honoring the Father Who sends Him. Jesus will be a successful Judge and successful Savior. When all who are judged honor Him, all will believe in Him. Are you saying Jesus failed in His mission to save the world?

[@davidalvarado6420]

@@TheBiggestJesus The purpose of judgment is is multifaceted, encompassing themes of justice, reconciliation and redemption, a demonstration of God's character, a deterrence against sin and evil, and the completion of His divine plan. John 3:16-17 refutes your argument. "For God so loved the world, that he gave his only Son, that whoever believes in him should not perish but have eternal life. For God did not send his Son into the world to condemn the world, but in order that the world be saved through him." Matthew 7:13-14: "Enter by the narrow gate. For the gate is wide and the way is easy that , and those who enter by it are many. For the gate is narrow and the way is hard that leads to life, and those who find it are few." This passage suggests that not everyone will find the path to salvation. Matthew 25:46: "And these will go away into , but the righteous into ." This verse contrasts the fate of the righteous and the wicked, implying that not everyone will experience salvation. Revelation 20:15: "And if anyone's name was , he was thrown into the lake of fire." This imagery of the lake of fire as a place of eternal punishment for those whose names are not in the book of life supports the idea of a final judgment with permanent consequences. Are you saying God's word is not clear about salvation and judgement? It is a willful choice of rebellion or repenting and believing in the Son of God. Are you saying that all people who hate him will want to be saved? Are you saying those who died in their sins are going to enter heaven without believing in Jesus?