Does Information Create the Cosmos? | Episode 1406 | Closer To Truth

What is reality made of? What are the most basic building blocks from which the cosmos is constructed? Particles? Mass-Energy? Forces? Fields? A new candidate is ‘Information’-‘IT from BIT’. Featuring interviews with Seth Lloyd, Sean Carroll, Raphael Bousso, Alan H. Guth, and Christof Koch.
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[@lartylab3391]

The best of the best of all related videos of the KZbin for the last 10 years. Thank you so much for the video! (W. Heisenberg: energy is information)

[@ManoDudz]

i love your channel, so well done, hard problems made easy to understand. I love it, for real

[@rmarinero]

Wow, I loved this episode. The concept of integrated information and also the relation between matter, energy and information as explained by Dr. Gutt is more down to earth and aligned with current understanding. In the other hand, what Dr. Loyd said seems a matter of definition of what a computer constitutes

[@ASLUHLUHCE]

@David Lotti It doesn't, but it's funny seeing you people randomly invoking God everywhere

[@daithiocinnsealach3173]

It from bit. You from goo. It's for videos like this I am subscribed to this channel. Truly the cutting edge of human knowledge right now.

[@tonoornottono]

penis from venus lol

[@marishkagrayson]

This is my favorite episode. ❤ At some deeper level the universe is exchanging bits of information in a giant version of a Jacquard machine. I , therefore, propose we call the universe Jacques!

[@fisettrudeau]

Mathematics and information are constitutive not only descriptive... Every particule in the Cosmos is simply values; and the laws are relationships between them.

[@antoniomoyal]

But mathematics are not causal of anything. Therefore we have to ask why mathematics work on themselves. Sin mathematics can only be accessed through minds and minds are limited, ther has to exist a mind to make sense of the mathematical truths. This lake God necessary.

[@tgenov]

@@antoniomoyal Mathematics can be causal. You just don't recognise it for what it is. Programming languages are Mathematics. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Curry%E2%80%93Howard_correspondence Programming languages manipulate computers, and therefore they have a causal effect on reality. So if you buy into the metaphor (or fact - whatever) that the universe is a computer, then you should also buy into the argument that it has an "operating system" which we are trying to reverse engineer through science.

[@jrhendry8744]

@@tgenov if information is the fundamental reality then that means we can simulate a universe.

[@tgenov]

@@jrhendry8744 You mean like physics simulation in software? en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dynamical_simulation ;)

[@cristianm7097]

The discrete, finite minds of humans cannot describe or comprehend reality.

[@timmulhern8188]

The CTT presentations are always so engaging and informative.

[@86645ut]

Information is the descriptor for what matter and energy present to our consciousness.

[@msimp0108]

I’ll buy that, of course that still leaves you with the hard problem.

[@ThisNameWasTaken0]

This series has some great episodes but also some redundant ones as well. I guess it’s a focus on the human experience rather than a series on the study of cosmology.

[@jeancorriveau8686]

"Information is the descriptor for what matter and energy present to our consciousness." Correct. I wish to emphasize that information is formed by our consciousness. None in the universe.

[@86645ut]

@@jeancorriveau8686 , actually the information is within reality. Our conscious brains perceives it. There’s no evidence of anything else.

[@jeancorriveau8686]

@@86645ut Reality can't change. So, you say that information (description of the forces of nature, for instance) doesn't change. Not so. Our knowledge of nature has changed over the centuries. Information resides in our brains, not in nature.

[@braydensarcademania]

Great content. Glad I found your channel!

[@stoneysdead689]

It is extraordinary to me that nature seems to do things much the same way we do things in virtual reality. Right down to only really simulating the parts of the universe that are being observed or measured in some way. Every time two particles interact, the bits flip- processing takes place- and so the universe always maintains the causal chain of events and is ready to spit out the end result at any given moment for any who cares to measure or observe it. But until then it rests in super position- neither this nor that- but some crazy mix of possibilities that sits in-between ready to collapse one way or the other into a 3d reality our senses can process. It reminds me of those cheap paper backs we read as kids- if you choose action A go to page 23- if you choose action B go to page 38, etc., etc.- each path leading to it's own unique result. In those books your possible futures already exists- they're already laid out in black and white, determined. You can skip ahead and see your fate- do our futures already exist out there- some when? Relativity would suggest they do- if someone can see my future- it must exist in some sense. It boggles the mind- but chasing the answers brings us closer to truth.

[@James_Bowie]

Well, if the cosmos is a giant computer program, then I can only hope that it's fixed in the next release.

[@dragonskinavi]

What's there to fix? Everything is perfect as it is.

[@Paradigm2012Shift]

Cosmos 2.0

[@bryanburnside9783]

@@dragonskinavi I think what people think is broken is how entropy and chaos effects our lives. Life is the antidote to entropy simply because it is a reset with each generation. How wonderful the experience of life is. Even with the twists and pitfalls. Enough that God would become a man. We live in the Garden and return to our origins.

[@ferdinandkraft857]

iUniverse X will be released in a couple billion years but you won't be able to import your contacts however.

[@rgoodwinau]

Yep. Better fix the 2020 bug!

[@SkyDarmos]

Wow, both Paul Davis and Max Tegmark were there! I am thrilled ... when is the next meeting? Can I come?

[@dennistucker1153]

I consider information to be a layer of abstraction used to describe things. It is useful to us because we can use it along with processes to do things.

[@michaezapin]

why can't it be both? Collateral and integral to the thing itself?

[@amaliaantonopoulou2644]

Ι see in the comments that there is a gap in some people's coherent reasoning here, a lot of people confuse the meaning of the word "simulation" which means the gross copy of reality, with the meaning of the word "calculate" and "computing" which means I use information (maths) to calculate and come to a conclusion. Human consciousness can not be simulated, it can only be understood as an intrinsic integrated information.Excellent video, one of the best channels on youtube.So it is obvious that we Don't live in a "simulation"🙂

[@LuciFeric137]

Your series is thought provoking. Well done sir.

[@secondcomingofziggle]

This has been one of my very favorite PRESENTATIONS OF Frontline. It validated adn reinofroced a bunch of mental junk ive been twiddling with for quite a while now. This is one of the very few YT Bits that I fhonestly intend to revisit, multiple times. INFO IS REALITHY IS INFO IS REALITYU. Lol

[@keithmetcalf5548]

Love my boy RLK! Thanx for the content my friend 👍👍

[@Rampart.X]

The minimum number of things necessary for a universe is three things - 1. A particle 2. A space 3. A binary orientation for that particle to be positioned in that space

[@MegaSudjai]

Time

[@hot_vampire01]

The intro of this channel is mysterious.

[@jonnyroxx7172]

As a composer, I absolutely love the music in this series, including the theme.

[@russellhinton9272]

Hasn’t everything that has existed already existed, and it’s more of a question of discovery

[@Paradigm2012Shift]

Ecclesiastes 1:9 The thing that hath been, it is that which shall be; and that which is done is that which shall be done: and there is no new thing under the sun.

[@russellhinton9272]

Perfect2020Storm , so the prophet Mohammed and Jesus are actually the same ideal

[@AllOtherNamesUsed]

@@russellhinton9272 The NT records show Yeshua foretelling his crucifixion death and resurrection to fulfill prophecy and witnesses who testify to it; 100s of years later Mohammad wrote the Quran denying Yeshua the Messiah ever died at all thereby undermining the entire new covenant, which was prophesied by Jeremiah around 600 years earlier, and the justification of humanity to inherit eternal life through the Messiah's lifeblood shed in his sacrifice.

[@gowdsake7103]

No one knows

[@Nothinglefttosay]

Russell Hinton - depends on what time line you are standing in.

[@Mindglider420]

If we are living in a simulation, then information could be the config file that the virtual machine used to get all the parameters during the boot up process (aka, the big bang).

[@09gaindog79]

gives me more traction continue applying information

[@rudy8278]

Information requires a structure. It is the observation of the dynamics of the underlying being.

[@IFYOUWANTITGOGETIT]

But what if the structure is also held together by information? Because just as we think of our consciousness as the software and our bodies as the hardware…our bodies are held together by fundamental particles which are held together by informational forces. 🤷‍♂️

[@josecontrerasabarca4344]

Thanks for another great episode! It seems to me that the bedrock of cosmology is indeed information, however this tenet can't be held in a trascendental sense. In the last analysis we always see our own reflection in the mirror of the universe, because we are nature's legislators as Kant said more than 200 hundreds years ago. However it is interesting that some acts of inspiration, and altered states of consciousness give us glimpses of how this thing-in-it-self actually works, which brings to mind this passage from Philip K. Dick, VALIS (1981): "Entry #48. ON OUR NATURE. It is proper to say: we appear to be memory coils (DNA carriers capable of experience) in a computer-like thinking system which, although we have correctly recorded and stored thousands of years of experiential information, and each of us possesses somewhat different deposits from all the other life forms, there is a malfunction - a failure - of memory retrieval. There lies the trouble in our particular subcircuit ‘Salvation’ through gnosis - more properly anamnesis (the loss of amnesia) - although it has individual significance for each of us - a quantum leap in perception, identity, cognition, understanding, world- and self-experience, including immortality - it has greater and further importance for the system as a whole, inasmuch as these memories are data needed by it and valuable to it, to its overall functioning. Therefore it is in the process of self-repair, which includes: rebuilding our subcircuit via linear and orthogonal time changes, as well as continual signaling to us to stimulate blocked memory banks within us to fire and hence retrieve what is there. The external information or gnosis, then, consists of disinhibiting instructions, with the core content actually intrinsic to us - that is, already there (first observed by Plato; viz: that learning is a form of remembering). The ancients possessed techniques (sacraments and rituals) used largely in the Greco-Roman mystery religions, including early Christianity, to induce firing and retrieval, mainly with a sense of its restorative value to the individuals; the Gnostics, however, correctly saw the ontological value to what they called the Godhead Itself, the total entity."

[@NotHumant8727]

One day we will understand it. Understand why we can't understand. Now days this mainly just hurts the ego.

[@raducarven5640]

DEFINITION...instead of using the word INFORMATION we should use DATA.. A single element is inert, is a DATUM and needs another DATUM to create a relationship The

[@MegaSudjai]

My theory (in part) of cosmological phenomenon: light is information emitted by the energy/matter transaction between matter and energy - like a receipt - to be read by the nucleus in regards to the health status of the cellular structure in which the nucleus presides.

[@ASLUHLUHCE]

Wow so many top scientists in one video, and as always, brilliant questions Robert. I am confused about something though; is there an actual relation between 'quantum information' and the 'integrated information' of IIT? (Other than them both using the word 'information'.) This might seem like a silly question since I don't know the mathematics behind them.

[@egg5188]

I don't get it, but you should check this out: www.researchgate.net/publication/325592381_Quantum_Integrated_Information_Theory

[@mustafaelbahi7979]

Our ignorance of the multiverse does not justify faith as the basis of epistemological scientific knowledge .

[@jozsefnemeth935]

​@@mustafaelbahi7979your ignorance justify your words, though

[@lorenh763]

Fantastic content as always..will you please interview Melvin Vopson at the University of Portsmouth ? He a has a newly published paper on the equivalence of information, matter and energy. There is even a proposed experiment to prove it. Anyway, it is cutting edge and related to this

[@jamesruscheinski8602]

Particles / matter and energy seem to come from information. Information itself likely comes from mathematics and perhaps logic. Large amounts of matter and energy probably came from large amounts of information. What are the other possibilities that the large amounts of matter and energy came from?

[@Paradigm2012Shift]

Additionally, the dark energy / dark matter in the cosmos may be the medium upon which the "information" is scribed, imho.

[@fNktn]

Do you when know what that's supposed to mean?

[@Theosis78]

And what is energy/dark matter made of then if not of information?

[@bryanburnside9783]

I'm not so sure dark energy/dark matter are not just a mathematical substitution for the plasma and dust that makes up most of the universe. What information is scribed into is life. If not tell me how we have the information in DNA. The odds of it being random takes into impossibility.

[@cajones9330]

Could dark energy be what is lost/produced by black holes . Isnt there a idea that some info is actually lost . Maybe its info that is no longer entangled ?

[@bryanburnside9783]

@@cajones9330 Dark energy was inferred by measurements of "standard candle" nova. I'm not convinced it is real. Stephen Hawking made the statement that information was lost in a black hole. Leonard Susskin showed it was not lost.

[@arendpsa]

I find that information gives energy and matter their functionality, dependent on human perception (consciousness and conscience), (in)forming our realities. So, if you try to escape this law of physics (like politicians do all the time), universal entropy (disorder) is accelerated, when we abide to it (within the limitations of reality, I coined 'realimiteit') a state of equilibrium can be reached, which needs to be steered in real time with information.

[@kakhaval]

A lower level definition of computing is that it is control of energy transfer within nanoseconds or picoseconds, from input to output of a system guided by stored energy levels.

[@joshrizeberg646]

Robert Lawrence Kuhn Walking ‘round the Jungle In a Turtle-Neck - LOVE IT!

[@davedollar6351]

Great questions and answers

[@michaelrichardson9458]

So basically, the universe is an ordered system. Either information has emerged from the universe, or the universe emerged from information? Perhaps the information only exists as a concept in our minds as we observe and measure the universe? Or perhaps information is a product of intelligent design...?

[@nicolasjimenezsierra8542]

Thank you Rob! :)

[@helicalactual]

how would these gentle people feel about entanglement and the most fundamental form of information?

[@tphilosophile]

Absolute...YES will be the answer , according to Douglas. B. Vogt of Diehold Foundation!

[@sedevacantist1]

There is no naturally occurring information in inorganic matter. The human mind can realize/assign information to matter because the mind is intelligent.

[@stromboli183]

You’re missing the bigger point here. The idea is that matter (organic of otherwise) IS essentially just information. Think about it, what is matter made of?

[@sedevacantist1]

@@stromboli183 I don't see it that way, I guess it comes down to how you define information. Information in a book is not in the ink or paper which is just matter but in the arrangement created by an intelligent mind and only an intelligent mind can receive the information.

[@pjaworek6793]

See Alan Guth here and compare to older videos. Now check him out on an interview with Roger Penrose and skydivephil which is newer. This guy is getting younger!

[@AllOtherNamesUsed]

_In the beginning was the Logos_ *Logos,* a spoken _idea_ (from Greek idea 'form, pattern,' from the base of idein 'to see') - both a noun (from Latin nomen, name) and verb (Latin verbum, word) simultaneously, a unified duality, a singularity - which presumes an intelligent agent operating with _information_ (from inform 'give form or shape to' also 'form the mind of, teach' from old French enfourmer, from Latin informare 'shape, fashion, describe,' from in- 'into' + forma 'a form.') to create the _universe_ (Latin universum, neuter of universus 'combined into one, whole,' from uni- 'one' + versus 'turned,' 'a turn of the plow, a furrow, a line of writing' from vertere).

[@tgenov]

The idea from John 1:1 (and the unification you speak of) is still with us: right at the heart of modern-day computer science in the mantra "code is data - data is code". It is also known as homoiconicity ( en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Homoiconicity ). I am sure you'll draw your own parallels to things being made in their own image ;) In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. So we invented our own, powerful languages. So powerful we can manipulate reality (computers) with them. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Programming_language_theory

[@moses777exodus]

Thanks for sharing, Lord-Jesus-Christ com

[@dilipkumar-mc2sy]

In Vedant , one of SANATANI philosophy , fundamental reality is called as Sat i.e existence (fundamental building block); chitta l.e knowledge (information); & Anand (bliss) . All these three r one and same thing.

[@williamburts5495]

Information is a aide, but potency is the cause of anything being created information in itself isn't enough.

[@IFYOUWANTITGOGETIT]

?? Potency

[@cvan7681]

To know the Universe, you must drill down to it smallest parts, far smaller then atoms and muons, etc. Information at thislevel hasn't been locally imprinted unless by an Observer like Us. This is how we individually and collectively create a reality we can work with. Watch Don Hoffman as well! At the smallest level, there is no spin, no computations, just pure energy.

[@JungleJargon]

A mind is essential to make a mind, a greater intelligence and the ultimate intelligence. It cannot be less intelligence, it has to be a greater intelligence.

[@apostolosprl4052]

The best channel on youtube by far

[@mamavscience2977]

It's "Bits from It," not the other way around. Mind is primary. It projects ItSelf in a fractal holographic chaotic distribution, with every moment of choice in every seemingly individuated mind being a full-throttle instance of the Whole, just like the Upanishads said. The main thing to know is that your choice at that point is between Ultimate Mind versus any lifeless variation in the cosmos' programming. The Upanishads did not grok the essence of this relentless and deeply personal choice. But now (since 1948) we can, because information theory and system dynamics make plain the lay of the land for us.

[@kevinbrown9478]

I would like to see him talk to Douglas Vogt .

[@diversityofideasnotidentit5213]

"In the beginning information flowed from an Infinite Mind and gave rise to time, matter and energy."

[@onetruekeeper]

Information is something only consciousness can comprehend and give meaning to . There could also be a non- conscious form of information processing that does not involve consciousness, matter, space or time but there is no way to prove it other than to witness it's results.

[@mustafaelbahi7979]

Discover "faith in God" in the scientific methodology through only three stages: Faith in any hypothesis precedes the discovery stage Faith exists in any hypothesis Faith is the basis for building epistemological knowledge.

[@davidford694]

I lost this when one of the interviewees casually referred to Newton's explanation of understanding "everything" was understanding the position and velocity of every single particle. There is something more than particles to the universe, you know. Consciousness, for one thing. It would have been much more interesting to look at the idea that consciousness underlies everything, and uses information to structure it. Much more comprehensive.

[@daithiocinnsealach3173]

Why do you suppose consciousness is anything more than the sum of its parts?

[@davidford694]

@@daithiocinnsealach3173 Well, because it is. Reductionism is the standard scientific response, I agree, but it is not based on the manifest evidence in this case. Indeed reductionism is actually a tenet of faith, one of many underlying the scientistic world view.

[@michaelrichardson9458]

This channel does have videos on the idea of consciousness being fundamental, should look them up they are pretty good. Also search "panpsychism" for some great talks and conversations on the same.

[@BlastinRope]

@@davidford694 I agree, and actually I think about this a lot. Neitzeiche said "god is dead" and asked what comes next, and it seems that humanity has used whatever innate feeling that made us religious to turn science into a spirtual view.

[@davidford694]

@@BlastinRope Once you realize that all systems of thought, even the most rational and evidence based, stand on a foundation of assumptions, a.k.a. beliefs, the difference between science and religion is greatly reduced.

[@mksensej8701]

Maybe there is a kind of information that comes from basic constituents of the matter properties like leptons/baryons that we don't understand yet . However the evolved complex structure of information that matter can take is based on those constituents and is like a firmware software of the universe from where the rest derives.

[@Reienroute]

If information is fundamental to existence, then isn't the ability to be impressed upon by information even more fundamental? It'd be interesting to overlap some of the ideas of these scientists with Alfred Whitehead's concept of "prehension". Information only informs if there is something experiencing it. Focusing on the information seems to be missing the forest for the trees. Edit: seems like the German scientist towards the end addresses this. I like this guy.

[@userwollix]

Maybe we're getting closer to the truth. But there are always new questions. The truth is as big as the universe. When people learn, they travel in it. ...much faster than the speed of light.

[@silvomuller595]

What a time to be alive..

[@lucianmaximus4741]

Kudos -- 444 Gematria -- 🗽

[@jimroth7927]

Since there is no other possibility, the answer must be "yes"

[@silentwitness9255]

Consciousness seems much more fundamental than the information that appears within consciousness.

[@AmitKumar-uu4ni]

Are we not ready yet to accept,there is no creater but only creation.

[@garychartrand7378]

You are accepting a falsehood. I KNOW that there is a God thanks to my personal experiences of Him/Her/It. The real questions are where did Creator come from and what is the purpose for creation? The answers are available.

[@cardquest2118]

Kinda similar to a turing test the logic here I guess. Like with numbers it is hard to separate abstract representations from realized form. For example what is the difference between the number one existing and one actual thing existing in the world?

[@billnorris1264]

Good stuff.. IF it's true that our universe is a computer simulation, there would be a finite number of localized clock cycles.. is it possible this could suggest an underlying cause of time dilation? To SIMULATE a spaceship approaching the speed of light, other functions of the local simulation must slow down, like TIME..?? I'm sure someone can punch holes in that..

[@michaelrichardson9458]

Yes, time dilation does suggest a computer simulation type universe. Also, a massive body, like a black hole, takes up so much processing power that time in the vicinity of the black hole runs slower.

[@egg5188]

That's true, but only if the universe is the type of computer we understand. Where the model gets tricky is considering things like computational power, since the universe sort of runs itself. It may make more sense, then, to think about the universe as being the result of a function within a computer: a simulation. If, however, the universe is a computer simulation, we have to define the terms. I will split the universe into two parts: the function converting previous conditions into new ones, the universal function; and the space onto which the conditions are mapped, the universal map (creative, I know.) Given that the universe is the universal function displayed on the universal map, computational energy needs to be redefined, as well. Computational energy, here, is just the necessary conditions for the universal function to compute a new result. Considering all of this, the only options I can see are: A) The computational energy for the universal function is derived from the function in itself. This basically means that the function happens because it happened before. The problem with this model is it doesn't explain initial conditions, since there would be no previous state of the function. This is only explained if you say the universal function does regress infinitely, but, until the big bang, it computed a null state. B) The computational energy for the function is derived from the universal map. This basically means that the only condition for the function is the space onto which it is mapped. This also results in weird initial conditions, but can't be explained off the same way. This either says the universal map has existed for forever or it doesn't exist. Basically it doesn't work. C) The universal function has no computational energy, it runs arbitrarily. No contradictions I can see here, but it becomes a bit hand wavey. The whole point is basically just to say the universe can't itself be a computer running a simulation which is itself. It can be broken up and re-explained, but it doesn't make sense to say it's easier to compute things if time slows unless you believe this universe is a simulation in a computer.

[@billnorris1264]

@@egg5188 An excellent comment.. When I first heard Nick Bostroms logical arguments for simulation Theory, I was fascinated but unconvinced.. ALL matter (Energy) carries complex coded information BUT of a nature which excludes the necessity of a CODER.. Decoders of that latent information is what biological life-forms do, but again, no simulation Theory is necessary, so is more like baggage... Opinions friend? Questions?

[@billnorris1264]

@@michaelrichardson9458 thanks for your comment.. I agree that this could POTENTIALLY be a fulfilled prediction that simulation Theory might make.. I've always been fascinated by the idea.. Unfortunately overall, this theory has no CREDIBLE support.. can you think of anything else?

[@michaelrichardson9458]

@@billnorris1264 unfortunately no, its all speculation as far as I can see Pretty interesting though as you say. The universe certainly has the appearance of something made, built, designed even. What with the complexity of systems like stars, solar systems galaxies and of course, life. When I look at things like the "molecular machinery" that maintains a functioning cell, or the golden ratio popping up all over the place, the "fine tuning" of the four fundamental forces and many other examples it is difficult not to think that this universe could be the product of an intelligent mind.

[@JungleJargon]

Specified power. Significant concatenation of living organisms.

[@jamesnasmith984]

The information in a computer undergoes processing that is directed by the information of a software. What is the software of the information contained in the cosmos? Do the laws of physics suffice as the recipe?

[@gypsydoratarot8441]

We need to fix version 2020… There’s some bugs 😩

[@sheenaalexis8710]

The players need to change.

[@sheenaalexis8710]

These ones are mean lol

[@gypsydoratarot8441]

Sheena Alexis87 you said it 😩😂😂

[@kmmahendra9205]

I guess in cosmos the happening of events of any order and type is the source of information. to put it any sub-part of cosmos provides information but information itself cannot create cosmos

[@kmmahendra9205]

@@bodie16 information doesnot exist independently without physical matter/energy , information represents certain properties/parameters/conditions of physical matter/energy. To answer ur query "certain properties/parameters/conditions of physical matter/energy" causes events and not the pure/mere information about those properties/parameters/conditions that cause/trigger events

[@mikefoster5277]

@@kmmahendra9205 I think the confusion here lies in the very meaning of the word 'information'. The way I see it, there are basically two types of information. Firstly there's the 'information' we're all familiar with - the properties, parameters and conditions that describe any particular object or system. We could call that human information. But the 'information' that creates the cosmos is something entirely different in nature. It's not 'information' in the way we normally perceive of it. This is a purely natural, spontaneous and inevitable 'information' that basically provides the 'coding' for the manifestation of existence itself. I guess the most applicable name we could give it would be _divine_ information; and its workings are entirely beyond our human understanding, of course.

[@kmmahendra9205]

@@mikefoster5277 do u think the author and experts in the video are talking about divine information ? What makes u think so ?. They are speaking about sceintific information.

[@mikefoster5277]

@@kmmahendra9205 I agree with you entirely - and that is surely the mistake they're making (if they truly want to answer the original question)? They're simply not recognising the difference between the two types of information. And being scientists, why would they anyway? To them, information = scientific information. Just as if it were theologians being interviewed, they probably wouldn't be thinking much in _scientific_ terms either! So perhaps what we really need is some kind of bridge between the two - a more open-minded coming together somehow of science and spirituality - to form a more wholly complete picture? (And I believe there are at least a few people currently involved in such research).

[@kmmahendra9205]

@@mikefoster5277 u make sense to me now after claiming that u are talking about divine information. Problem with spirituality is as of now : do u have real tangible meaningfull evidences to justify your view with regards to this article/video in discussion ?

[@apolloforabetterfuture4814]

25:31 simulating whole universes will be possible on quantum computers someday imo. Quantum computers rn can do trillions of calculations, I think the question is more software directing the quantum computer to be realistic. Rn with normal computers we have AI synthesizing past information rapidly to make predictive models and they're only getting better and better, you also have unreal engine 5 which looks absolutely mind-blowingly realistic. I think we're heading towards Star Trek like holo decks and AI like Data from Star trek predicting exactly what will happen next.

[@jamesruscheinski8602]

Does the processing of numbers and mathematics lead to information for energy and mass?

[@jamesruscheinski8602]

Is something processing information or just process on its own as the nature of information?

[@jamesruscheinski8602]

Information might be able to create elements of consciousness, such as awareness and language, maybe even choice, on level of organism or sub-orgamism; not as likely for consciousness on grand scale or free will.

[@williamburts5495]

Does the information know it's information? If not, how would information know how to cause anything?

[@ingenuity168]

Information created the cosmos and the cosmos exudes information.

[@Ndo01]

Information doesn't have mass. There's infinite information within a single atom. Information merely enables the perception of mass through sensory filters which are infinitesimally small representational slices of the amount of information that's actually there in objective reality.

[@stromboli183]

The idea is that the concept we call ‘mass’ is also just information.

[@WildMessages]

Maybe there are 2 levels of information? The information inside the universe maybe not fundamental and we can access. This stores all the information from the starting point. The original Information the gives the laws of interaction is before the big bang.This information would set the rules for quantum levels

[@vfcs]

Might it be as simple as depicted in Genisis? "The light" (All the energy/mass made avilable that when manifested, has the potential for any possibility). "The word of God" (All the information necessary that when maniofested uppon the light, brings into "reality" any possibility.) Do we not already use information, impressed on mass (same as energy) to create new realities? For example building a house, something that basically starts from high entropy dirt (Many microstates) and then transforms into a lower entropy place (fewer microstates) in which we can live. It aeems to be straight forward enough.

[@michaelrichardson9458]

The only question now is, how do we level up?

[@mathematicalninja2756]

By suffering

[@stevekane8609]

It's difficult to disentangle the idea of information being fundamental vs. information simply being useful to describe reality. To me, what would be interesting is to know how many fundamentally different things are fundamental to reality. Is reality is one fundamental thing like information that is merely interacting with itself, or is it different things interacting? For instance, are the laws of physics, physical stuff itself and consciousness three fundamentally different things, or all the same thing just 'shaped' and existing in different ways? Consciousness itself is one thing that appears to be completely indistinguishable from simulation. If I had a computer that perfectly simulated a human brain and had perfectly simulated stimulation of that brain (inputs), in theory, it would be as conscious as a real brain. And I think this coincides with the information theory of consciousness. This is evidence for the idea that consciousness is fundamental and not emergent. Whether that leads directly to panpsychism I'm not entirely sure.

[@jamesruscheinski8602]

Consciousness could be processing numbers and mathematics into information.

[@jamesruscheinski8602]

Could information be the processing of numbers and mathematics?

[@vonBottorff]

...which might brings me to my overall philosophy that this is all some sort of recursion theory puzzle. At some point of "turtles all the way down," i.e., the whole recursion issue, flows out, dissolves into the answer. So maybe we do in fact need to exhaust completely the reductionist approach, then throw a combinator at it.

[@tgenov]

Recursion theory is basically computer science: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Computability_theory The reductionist approach is exhausted - Turing machines are universal. The question is: What is the true algorithm we program it with? What is the Theory of Everything? en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Church%E2%80%93Turing%E2%80%93Deutsch_principle

[@t.m.8339]

I like closer to truth very much, but the amount of ads is upper limit... unfortunately.

[@hansbleuer3346]

As long we need natural language to talk, we are locked in and lost in our world named consciousness.

[@michaelrichardson9458]

I wonder if once there's a certain percentage of people who believe we are in a simulation , it reboots

[@myothersoul1953]

Alan Guth says the universe and the universe being simulated on a computer are equivalent as far as predicting what we observe. That's true but they aren't equivalent as explanations for what we observe. The simulated universe is a at least an order of magnitude more complicated of an explanation. And what do we get for that Rube Goldberg level complexity? Nothing, well maybe mystic goosebumps .

[@antoniomoyal]

Again, God is necessary

[@myothersoul1953]

@@antoniomoyal Only if you want god to be necessary.

[@oskarngo9138]

I thought Information comes from Data... ....and data comes from Stuff (materials; etc) interacting?

[@SkyDarmos]

Please interview me. I have a very promissing quantum gravity theory.

[@kasulefrancis23]

The fundamental question is does the universe have a finite or infinite amount of information. ?.I think the universe is conscious that is why the arrow of time starts with energy that is just a potential difference to packets of energy to matter and conscious beings .so perhaps all information is finite as no consciousness can process infinite amount of information and make sense of it or make a decision on what to do with it.

[@jamesruscheinski8602]

Does processing of information develop energy and mass?

[@jamesruscheinski8602]

Could be something / someone uses information to form the universe and reality, whether time or God or consciousness or whatever else may be doing it?

[@AngkolJo]

So every elementary particle is a carrier of information. 👽

[@hexebola4122]

I hope there will be something scary in episode 1408

[@cvsree]

Consciousness is deeper than information. Consciousness creates information and the rest can be explained by physics. But, consciousness exists beyond space time and information.

[@skybellau]

If consciousness is a product of 'bits' then eventually 'it' (using 'it's' human intelligence) should be capable of developing conscious AI made of 'bits' . If not then consciousness exists before 'bits' of spacetime.

[@coder-x7440]

Wow

[@shanehudson5438]

Imagine everything you look at has labels and information attached to explaining its process as heads up display we would need alot more energy for brain power just to be able to read reality and would be to much for simple being imagine a entity that can

[@007Earth1]

The episodes explore very fundamental questions that baffle humanity for millennia.

[@09gaindog79]

God damn Right

[@websurfer352]

Doesn’t create the cosmos it is the cosmos!! The cosmos is reducible to bits of information!!

[@cole141000]

But aren't equations of mathematics and the decriptions of the laws of physics informational? So technically Sean Carroll never goes without using this 'tool.'