DOES IRATING EQUAL REAL LIFE SPEED??

In today's video, we put drivers with various Irating's in real gt4 cars and compare their lap times...
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[@josephyang8236]

Juliano being within 5 seconds to a pro driver's time in a car and on a track he's never driven, in a handful of laps is pretty amazing.

[@TenzinLekmeon]

5 second a lap is a lifetime

[@josephyang8236]

​@@TenzinLekmeon The driver performance progression for an AM driver at a typical test day (unfamiliar car and track) improves by several seconds throughout the day. From test day results I've reviewed even at regional level racing, a new driver would take at least entire 20-30 minute session (sometimes entire day) to be within 4-5 of the track record that's set by another amatuer driver - not a Rolex 24h winning driver like Daniel, especially at a pretty technical track like the one in the video (MSR Houston). Now, keep in mind that Julian only drove 5 laps to be 5 seconds off Daniel's pace, in a car nothing like he has ever driven, at a track he has never been to. The financial factor puts a huge mental barrier to everything as well. A minor kiss to the wall in a GT4 car (bumper / splitter damage and some suspension / steering bits plus a wheel) will cost you in the ball park of 20-30k USD. When drivers are invited to test cars, they're almost always (except very few lucky people in the world) fully liable for ANY damage they cause, there's usually a hefty maintenance charge even for over revving the engine once. I work as a trackside engineer on weekends and sometimes I'm given the chance to test drive cars that I can't afford to fix. Of course I never push it past 9/10th because the bit of extra fun is simply not worth the risk.

[@LukeVesty]

Great video Daniel. I think a lack of track familiarity, particularly for guys who aren't real life racers, is going to affect their speed dramatically. They're unsure of the limits of the car, they're unsure of the limits of the surface, they're unsure of the limits of the layout, and they don't want to hurt themselves or bust the piggy bank. If all these guys had been able to test this layout in a simulator in the weeks leading up this track day I suspect the times would more closely align with iRating. But coming in cold, the final rankings reflect skill but also who was willing to take the most risk. I don't blame any of these guys for building speed up sensibly. Well done to all.

[@fullsendsimracing]

Well put

[@thedude4795]

theyre unsure of _themselves_ . You can tell most of these guys are the quiet, stay at home, "my best friend is the computer" kind of guy. For sure more laps would build confidence, but confidence is a multi-applicational quality, if youre confident with women, youll probably be more confident in life in general, or in unexpected situations that may arize. Thats kind of visible with this experiemnt, that most of these guys arent get out there and improvize people and stepping outside of ones comfort zone, or getting better at it, is something everyone, (except those on the opposite end of the spectrum) benefit from. Its not the one-all-be-all but it was the main thing holding them back in this experience!

[@1900]

@@thedude4795idk I feel like this is a different type of confidence. Enough guys I’ve raced with that are quite shy have a mentality switch when they are in a race car, at least from my experience in karting. I reckon it’s more of a cost thingy, with obviously not knowing the track

[@zombiegutkill8043]

@@thedude4795bro u did not just compare confidence with women to confidence in other things in life because of the assumption they sim race so they must be quiet and shy. Omfg the worst take

[@eliteghost0001]

@@thedude4795that’s is not how confidence works at all. You aren’t just universally confident. That’s called arrogance. True confidence is backed with experience in one form or another. Just because you can pull 10/10 women doesn’t mean you’re gonna be confident up against MJ in the finals. Weird analogy man. Tons of people are home bodies and shy but a master in their field over flowing with confidence relating to the subject. Racing is no different.

[@anthonyhj559]

I'm more curious were they slower because of "oh my god if I crash I might get hurt", or because "oh my god if I crash who's gonna pay for the car, I might need to work for the next 50 years to pay it of". If you ask me, that makes a huge difference.

[@kinsellakp]

That's definitely part of it but racing is a rich man's sport because of this. They would all be faster if they had a contract that they weren't responsible for damages. But the guy filming the video didn't have that contract either. It's a hard deal but at the end of the day most of these guys would love to be able to go racing, life circumstances dictate that racing driver isn't a career available to most people.

[@danielmorad]

That’s a very good question. I know that for me, when I was coming up through the ranks, it’s something that I thought about a lot. It’s something you really need to be comfortable to bury but also use really careful risk management. Money was tight and I was purely relying on Sponsorship to keep my career going.

[@abdullahsalman9167]

@@danielmorad On that note, it would be very cool if you could make a video covering your journey about becoming a professional racecar driver.

[@benwilson4035]

All spot on... I think too it's the pressure of who is watching. I would feel a lot of pressure not to have a moment or a spin while Daniel was watching and analyzing regardless of the financial cost. I can only imagine it's a similar feeling if you are an aspiring race driver and a sponsor or someone in team leadership is scrutinizing. If it were my own car on a track day with no one watching I think the mindset would be different.

[@jakebesemer]

3.2k irating and grassroots time attack driver here - I think the hardest part about sticking in sim racers without experience in real life is, its almost sensory overload. Technique wise the high iratings know what to do, its just connecting the dots from all the new inputs their brain is getting takes hours/days/years depending on their learning rate. I think the sim becomes an even more powerful tool once those dots are connected, but sadly that takes a lot of time, and usually money. Regardless, I think its an incredible opportunity you gave this group and I applaud you for doing so! Great Videos!!

[@wyattglassco1810]

That's so true about simulators. I've been using flight simulators for a few years and have pretty good skills. However, when you are flying a real airplane, you realize there are things a computer cannot simulate. One thing that simulators can't model is the mental and physical fatigue that you get. Operating a real race car or airplane is tiring. I use Iracing too. I'm not a fast driver on the sim, but I am quicker driving real race karts. I think simulators experience with real experience makes a talented operator. Simulators teach you the right technique and the real machine builds your confidence and endurance.

[@theinfinitemyth]

Having experienced it, I can say there is WAY more going on inside the cockpit than just "gas pedal, brake pedal, steering wheel." Simply going over all the controls is a lot to be honest. But it gives me an even larger appreciation and respect for the drivers that do this every weekend for a living especially in series like IMSA where there is the multi class element as well. Speaking of multi class, we weren't the only cars on track, so we not only had to factor in our safety, but the safety of others. I will admit I was a bit terrified rolling off pit lane because I didn't want to damage the car, or injure myself, or God forbid anyone else. On top of that my glasses fogged up just as we started to roll off, so part of me was panicking with "Oh crap, I can't see, this is bad." Luckily the airflow through the cockpit remedied that within a couple corners. Seat time would probably improve lap times all around although I am sure there would still be a "let's take this a little safer than normal" feeling around the pit lane. Three months out and this without question is still at the top of the "I did something really cool" list, and I would be remiss if I didn't thank Daniel, Bryce, Russell, Maddie, and the entire Winward Racing organization for inviting us and including us in such a unique and once in a lifetime experience. Thank you all so much. Love the video Dan! Makes me wish I was back in Houston.

[@danielmorad]

100% and it was amazing just to get everybody on track. It was cool.

[@marks4373]

Thanks so much for this. I am a driving instructor and have been driving “Real” race cars for 25+ years. I progressed from a 944 to several 911s and now proudly pilot a GT3 CupCar. I have a great respect for sim racers, but am amused when they think they can show up and instantly be fast. There is no replacement for the visceral experience of a real race car. Even a $75K sim rig can’t emulate even a slower “real” race car ( like a $10K spec Miata, etc.). And not to be crude, but until you’ve experienced “pucker factor “ in a real car on a real track, with real walls, and real drivers inches from you… there really is no substitute. Great video Daniel !

[@douwg]

LOL "pucker factor" - well said. I am a simracer and have only done advanced driving courses on a track but I fully agree with you on what you had to say. Even with advanced driving the instructors who are all national champioship race drivers are miles quicker in the same car.

[@peadookie]

I agree to a point. I’m going the opposite way from “real” race cars to sim racing and it is funny to me - I have ingrained fears and expectations of the car that the sim-only guys don’t have, but I also experience this lack of realism thing that slows me down to a degree - like my brain’s waiting for lots of balance input that never arrives. That said, it’s at least 95% of the fun, has no maintenance cost or risk to speak of, and nothing beats driving in shorts and tshirt with a fan 😂. Occasionally, I’ll sort of intentionally cook myself alive to get the realism factor, but generally, not having to cook to death on grid is amazing.

[@racereview1679]

Agreed man.. spent summer driving a super trofeo irl at COTA… sim helps but the speed and violence of the real thing takes adjustment

[@teerayTR]

@@racereview1679 that is so sick - those cars are mental

[@99MrJ99]

lol the pucker factor is real. I haven't raced cars although I wish I had the money for it. But I did club rotax max and iame x30 karting and thats had some pretty puckery moments 😅

[@tjchep]

Plot these data points on a graph - the correlation between iRating + Lap Times is as clear as day. Give each of these drivers 100 laps in the car/this track and I'd think that correlation would become even more prevalent.

[@pedrogtar]

Exacly. Statistically speaking points that worth mention: 01 - The 4k IR guy should be discarted as data, because he doesnt represent what we're looking for(he was just "coasting around" and not even trying to push the car. 02 - Tho this is a vey little sample and it already shown a corelation: the higher is the IR, closer you are to the benchmark time. 03 - out of 5 guys, only one(juliano) is faster than someone with a bigger IR(nate), For the size of that sample, this might be negligible. 04 - Nate(8kIR) is closer to Wayne(5,5IR)'s delta, than to Juliano(6k)'s delta: That could mean after a certain IRating, your speed in a real car is virtualy very close, ending the corelation OR juliano and Wayne didnt had enough time to get more IR. TO a accurate conclusion, more samples are needed.

[@danielmorad]

You are absolutely right. This is also really detailed breakdown and I appreciate the time you took to write this. When it comes to the higher IR guys, it is really hard to decipher the data without more information. What I can say is that there was one more driver who has over 8000 higher IR And I believe he was the quickest. It’s only going off of what he thought his lap look like compared to Juliano‘s lap. There’s no clear evidence of this because the camera did not start. If we are lucky enough to do this again in the future, I would love to ask if I can record some data and make a more scientific breakdown.

[@alinc3d78]

​@@danielmorad alecmillea4539 mentioned above what would be a really interesting test if you are ever able to try this out again with Sim racers. In giving the racers advanced notice of what track and car they'll be driving, letting them test for a week in the sim setup, then testing and comparing against the real life experience and times put down. Real life fear and consequence is going to play a large factor in each drivers final performance, some even with a lower irating may be able to handle this pressure better. But I would guess you will see a better linear correlation between irating and real times put down with a bit more seat time for these drivers and sim time beforehand on same track and car setup. Thanks for putting these videos together, always enjoyable to watch!

[@mrjughead87]

To give an opinion on the last question asked. I think the test was great! Not only to answer the question of, "Can a Sim Racer Irating transfer into IRL race speed?" but again, the experience and opportunity being given is amazing. I really do think that not only be able to sit in an IRL GT4 AMG would be kind of anxiety inducing but understanding that this is a $200,000 car has to linger in the back of everyone's head. Popping a tire, breaking front spolier, or even spinning in the grass and packing dirt and crap into the wheels, brakes, suspension is the last thing anyone wants to do.

[@alecmillea4539]

I think that doing this same test with a track that they could practice on the sim first would also be an interesting idea. You could also compare their lap times on the sim to the lap times IRL and see if their irating correlates to their ability to transfer that speed into real life. Thanks for running this awesome test Daniel! We all really appreciate the work you put into running this KZbin channel and providing us with such great information!

[@teamredgutz399]

CONGRATULATIONS ON WINNING GTD IN THE ROLEX 24!!!!! Epic and convincing win. We are here at Daytona and are thrilled for you and for AMG owners (like us) everywhere.

[@tqracing]

Heck, I'm not sure I could even memorize the track on just a handful of laps. So these guys went out there on a new track, in a real race car - that they've never driven before. Can't blame them for being a little careful. I think they all would have done a lot better with more time. This is pure speculation, of course, but my bet is that over the course of, say, a weekend, the slowest guys would be within 5 seconds of the reference lap. Fastest I think could probably get within a second. Quicker than that would take a lot more seat time, because that's in the territory of really pushing the limit all the time. Would be cool to see them do this again, running more laps.

[@danielmorad]

I think that even getting within two seconds would be tough. It’s not that easy. Some people that are a little too confident might think that they can easily do the lap time but when you are strapped into the car, it’s a lot different. I’m sure the guys that drove the car can tell you Exactly that. It’s easy for some people to just watch from the outside and think that they could easily be within a second. I think that with enough seat time, anything is possible. To go racing, it’s a lot more than just driving the car. That’s where it starts to become way more difficult. There’s a lot of management. You’re mind needs to be able to manage multiple things and switch between these tasks very quickly.

[@wayne9125]

It’s one thing to even get close to Daniel’s time. With more laps could I get pretty close? Absolutely I’m confident I could get within 2-3 seconds. But that’s only step one. Step two is being quick with 30 other cars around you. That’s where I can’t say I could do it and still be quick…if I was younger and started from a series in a slower car and then worked my way up the ladder then possibly it’s a different story. This experience was a huge reality check that guys like Daniel make racing look easier then it truly is.

[@bruvitskb7798]

@@danielmoradhow do I get to be able to do this I’m 6.5k irating 😉 and race karts in real life.

[@tqracing]

@@danielmorad I could very well be underestimating how difficult it is. My thinking is that the sim racers already have the fundamental concepts of going fast, especially the higher rated guys. However, translating that into the real world means dealing with a lot of new information, sensory overload and fear factor. If you can get them from "oh shit! oh shit! oh shit!" to thinking, "alright, how do I send it?", then I think they could capitalize on all the hours spent in sim.

[@xliver4]

@@bruvitskb7798 At a pro / pro-am level? -- Step 1) Have a lot of money. Step 2) Do well in smaller series. Step 3) Have a significant chunk of money left over to pay for a seat on a GT team. Not to diminish the skill of anyone on the grid, but the largest barrier of entry is always going to be the money.

[@MrRumBacardi]

I truly beleive the intimidation factor sets in for most. Just the price of one of those cars alone is enough to add a few seconds to most. I would wonder if the results would be the same with a 15k-20k $ car

[@danielmorad]

Even if we did this at a track where there was absolutely nothing in sight, I feel like it would give everybody a little bit more confidence. This is a fairly wide-open race track, but there is still some danger. There are a few things you could potentially hit and I think that most of the guys we’re just taking in the experience.

[@thedude4795]

great input,@@danielmorad

[@carscoffeeandcannabis-634]

I've driven a few supercars on track at these track day experience things. A few laps is definitely not enough to build confidence and get any real pace. I did 3-5 laps a few times in different cars, but the last time I went, I gave them a few hundred cash at the end of the day, on the old tires, and was given free reign for the better part of an hour. And then and only then was I able to get enough confidence to actually push the cars at all (911 GT3 and a ferrari 458 that day)@@danielmorad

[@susika2226]

congratulations daniel on your win today at the rolex 24hr, you and your team had one hell of a drive

[@teamredgutz399]

I think this is a great topic. My own experience as a student at driving academies is that just because some of the students had tons of experience on the track m (COTA) in the sim didn’t necessarily make them fast at the actual track. Danger and actual exposure to high g forces around turns and in framing zones make some people very conservative in real life, even if they know the track by heart on the sim. I’m the opposite. I’m 52 and I grew up and learned how to drive way before realistic Sims were out there and when I do some of these tracks on the Sims, I crash all the time but in real life I never have. To me half of the driving is not just my eyes, but the feel of the track in your inner ear in your rear end as to what the car is doing and you just can’t get that part on the Sim. Of course you can be a great driver and a great real world driver, but it just depends on the person to me. Obviously to get to a level even approaching a pro or a very good am driver in real life, You have to spend actual time on the track and the Sim is not a substitute for that. See you at the Rolex 24. We’re flying down from NYC on Friday.

[@WorldKingLive]

Looks like they were driving the #57 winning 24 at Daytona race car! That’s awesome man!! 🏁

[@SIMRACINGTRUCKER]

This is well worth watching for any Motorsports/Sim Racing fan. The "Fear" and a persons ability to overcome it and everything else in racing tends to show who can or can't in real life. I think different experiences help too. Great video man!

[@WorldKingLive]

Congratulations on the win! That’s 2 Rolex watches now, what a legend!! 🏁

[@CHOKEDVR2]

Great win today at Daytona. I’ve been sim racing for a year now and been watching u to learn techniques. Super cool watching u race and win. Congratulations 🍾

[@quick2k3]

Congrats Daniel and Winward team!!! Amazing laps to close that out!

[@Doing_The_Thing]

To your question about more seat time helping, yes, I think more laps would have helped. There were a lot of variables for these drivers to deal with all at once (not knowing the cars limit, first time dealing with the g forces, unfamiliar track layout, non ideal conditions etc). So a few more laps could help mitigate all of that. Understand this was a first test and difficult ($ and time) to put together. Hopefully this can open the floor for a follow-up test. If the drivers could have access to a skid pad with the car and drive a track layout they’re familiar with, I’d expect your 3000iRating and above guys to reduce that delta down quite a lot. I’m curious if you saw any correlation in performance/comfort with the drivers that have motion/tactile vs no motion on their rigs.

[@danielmorad]

Definitely. I think the biggest correlation between Sim driving and real life was the personality and confidence level from each driver at their specific rating levels. In a test that is a short is this, confidence and risk management is very important. Obviously having the skill is incredibly important as well, but it doesn’t translate so naturally if you are afraid.

[@Bozo_Lord]

Absolutely insane drive in Daytona this weekend Daniel, congratulations and enjoy your second Rolex win!!!

[@CraigBray]

Great video! I also feel like their personalities were displayed through some of that driving. With what I know of each of the drivers you showed. For example, I would have guessed Juliano to have one of the faster lap times based on, the more outgoing and confident way he communicates.

[@CraigBray]

@@jonathanparle8429 I am in a similar boat. I could probably get in there and do a little pushing, but I likely would just want to enjoy the experience more than anything, but I do get confident with things as soon as I feel like I have a grasp of it, so if anything I would have pushed on my last lap since my time is already up. Important thing about race cars is you do need to keep them closer to their limits or they don't feel as good.

[@afrojo49]

Congratulations on your new Rolex, what a drive from you and the team!

[@Badbeat]

I can understand it would be pretty rough on a track that is new for you. If it would be a track they knew from iracing, it should be easier to get up to speed. But can't have it all. Cannot be sure from the outside looking in, but I think I'd be equal (if not more) cautious for fear of breaking the car, as I would be for my own safety. Still an awesome experiment/experience. I also feel one can not scale irating and speed that easily. Irating is often about grinding certain combo's, while avoiding others. For me personally, the 4.4k I reached was in part being safer than guys that are faster. It would be nice to also try and compare with iracing laptimes of somewhat similair combo's (and a fixed setup). That way you have irating, an in-game GT4 laptime, and a real life GT4 laptime. Happy for, and jealous of, the folks that got to drive that Merc!

[@ckk9315]

Enjoyed the video! Everyone asks this, but I have the opposite question. Can a real race car driver compete with a top esport sim racer? Real race car drivers bring valuable skills such as understanding racing lines, braking points, and track knowledge to the virtual world. However, the physical sensations that they rely on like G-forces, deceleration, and the tactile feedback of a real car are absent in sim racing. Esports sim racers excel in their ability to master virtual environments, focusing on precision and consistency. They might lack the physical experience of a real car, but they compensate with intense practice, hand-eye coordination, and familiarity with the virtual racing dynamics.

[@WorldKingLive]

Let’s go Daniel! 20 minutes to Gold!! He’s about to win Rolex 24 at Daytona!!!

[@ZIYAADPETERSEN]

FANTASTIC Video, I agree with the sentiment that its way to little time in a race car for these guys to go fast, most likely the guy with a bit of skill and bigger balls will go faster (not taking anything away from the guys that went faster) but given more time for those higher irating drivers I think their skill will prevail eventually. good job anyway to all, what a privileged experience!

[@Capitan1nsan0]

Watching Daniel lead the 24 Hours of Daytona in class and filling the commercials with this video. Great job so far dude!!! Hoping to be a customer of WWR in a GT4 car by this time next year if I can get myself up to speed to validate the money by then!

[@Chobham]

One major thing I struggle with in sim racing is the near complete lack of spatial awareness cues and seat of pants feel. For me personally, I know I would excel FAR better in a real car, than I ever could in a simulator. Watching these highly rated iracing drivers drive the way they are proves to me that I am just better suited to a real car, than a simulated one. I am far better at feeling what a car is doing in real life.

[@BAC_Mono]

Fascinating video and well done to all of them, it must be intimidating especially with the expectation. There’s no getting away from the fear factor. I’ve done the other way, from thousands of miles on track in a BAC Mono to just starting (and absolutely loving) iRacing. One thing I’ve noticed is that I’m comfortable in single seaters but really struggle in GT cars as the style is so different. It shows how realistic the SIM is. I’m really looking forward to getting back on track to see what effect running in the SIM over Winter has on how I drive the Mono in real life. I might record some laps on the SIM and then in real life and post them on my channel to see! It’s funny though, I actually get quite nervous on the grid in iRacing, even though I know it’s not real life!

[@benthecaptain7419]

More laps would be good, but that's hard to pull off logistically. Maybe pick a track with no wall! Also, pick a track everyone knows and loves, if possible, one of the iRacing regulars. VIR comes to mind. Great video! I love living vicariously through your videos.

[@tapidlittle13]

Great video again Dan. I would love to hear these guys thought after the day.

[@danielmorad]

Glad you enjoyed it and that’s actually a great idea. I might ask the guys to share their experience.

[@danielflorea4937]

Awesome video, pretty jealous of these guys getting that chance to drive too! Would love to see more of this stuff though for sure.

[@dandreani]

Congratulations on the GTD win on Daytona 24h... Massive drive :)

[@andrewhetzler3272]

Great first stint at night in the Rolex 24. 5th to 1st I believe. I was texting my dad telling him I watch your sim videos and to watch when you got in. You didnt disappoint. Good luck the rest of the way. Safe racing! 5 hours to go.

[@smoove7932]

Congrats Daniel 24hr Daytona Winner!!!!! Beast mode!!!

[@trippstaudtracing3]

Congrats on your new watch🎉

[@TBolt1]

Man, CONGRATULATIONS on P1 in the Daytona 24 Hour! 🥇☝

[@DiorRF]

Congrats on your win! Thank you for putting on for the sim community

[@xtraflyer]

Congrats Daniel on Daytona!!!!

[@ZIYAADPETERSEN]

Fantastic video as always, I agree with the sentiment that its way to little time in a race car for a proper comparison but also good to see what's capable, I think a guy with less skill & bigger balls might be faster in this situation (not Knocking the guys that went faster) but given more time I think the higher iracers will prevail eventually. Their understanding of how to go fast is already there it just a matter of feeling & getting over the fear. But what do i know i could be talking outta my ass. Good job to all those guys what a privileged experience. Thanks DM

[@MLeeder53]

This was fun. Maybe in a wheel to wheel situation IR would come more into play. Cause it’s not all about lap time as you know. The dangers are real when you get on track for sure, but add more cars and the competition it gets to be like camping. Intense!

[@davidmuse6578]

Great opportunity for the guys, and kudos to you for sharing. More time I think would have resulted in further limit testing, faster times, and possibly more risk of mistakes.

[@Evoluvin]

Fantastic video... would love to see more of these!

[@vt6020]

My opinion, is that experience is the key factor to many debates over sim vs. real life. There are real drivers that find it hard to be as fast in sim as they are irl. Then there are some who seem to be quick in both sim and real life. Most sim racers are used to using vision and audio cues to drive fast and understand what the car and tires are doing in relation to the track, because that’s what most of us have at our disposal. I’ve never used a motion sim, only haptics, but it would be interesting to compare sim racers that have motion sims to those that don’t. Great video! Looking forward to more, if possible.

[@bikeaventura8134]

well done Daniel, best videos out there! really interesting for us, sim racers ;)

[@TodRaines]

Congrats Daniel!

[@316racingchannel9]

Fascinating stuff!! Loved it!

[@mbardos]

From my experience, first time driving a race car on an unknown track, it takes at least 10 laps to familiarise with the car and the track, so this test is a bit flawed, imho... I was expecting it to be hard, so bought 25 laps, after around 15 laps I got to the point that I started pushing. To express the difference simracing makes, the other guy was still going off track in lap 20.

[@candyman1961]

I am here after watching the 24hr Daytona.Congratulations Daniel,keep pushing.Hello from Montreal 🥰👍👏👏👏

[@gruv3n]

Really interesting sample data.. nice vid Dan

[@STANGKILLASS]

LOVE this sim vs real life series! i do both and just loving this content!

[@danielmorad]

Thank you so much. I’m really enjoying this.

[@jimpfitzinger9604]

Daniel, thanks for putting this video together. I certainly think their sim experience allowed you to even host this event and give them a seat in a GT4.

[@elemento1991]

I am so happy for (and jealous of) these racers getting to participate in this. I sim raced for a few years and knew I wouldn't be happy with my older self if I didn't at least try something. I blindly signed up and drove down to an autocross in novice class on a whim and to my complete surprise I was really comfortable right off the bat. I even heard the announcer say he thought I was lying about being a novice over the loudspeaker. I couldn't believe how well sim racing had engrained my muscle memory when the back stepped out. I kind of had the natural inclination on what to do despite the adrenaline. By the end of the season I was within .1-.3 tenths of the national champion in my class nearly every event. Since then I've bought an L0206 and shifter kart. I might get the kids involved in cadet class as well. I still love my sim rig but the real life experience is so satisfying to have. Awesome that these drivers got the chance of a lifetime. I am a firm believe that iRacing helps build your skills as a driver, especially at the beginning levels.

[@mrjughead87]

10:44 I'll never forget Casey Kirwin talking about why he doesn't want to ever race IRL. What's said right here about the real life consiquice of racing sometimes is all incompassing vs being able to push and let loose in the sim.

[@youcangrow]

Fantastic finish at the Rolex 24, absolutely amazing driving from you and your teammates.

[@jeffrosenberger4168]

Interesting experiment and cool to watch. I think only a few laps makes it harder to compare, because you're really comparing risk tolerance. I know it's cost prohibitive running the GT4s, but if you gave them a full day with instructors, I think irating would be more predictive. One of my local tracks has a fleet of spec miatas with passenger seats added and will give you 4x30 minute track sessions with an instructor for about $1k. I'm a lowly 1k irating driver and my instructor was impressed with how much quicker I got through the day for someone on only his second real life track experience.

[@polluxsimracing3712]

Great video, personally i think some people are good in sim and others in real life and sim is much harder to get the feeling i mean unless you have a sick rig like yours or experience like you. Awesome to see them

[@tsvetanradev666]

Awesome video as always!

[@boriskey7841]

So happy for your Daytona 24 win IRL, these tears of joy in the end...

[@rickswanracing3139]

Very interesting study! The first thing I noticed watching this was the variation in the lines that drivers took. I found myself trying to look at apexes and lines during the video and seeing where the rubber line was… and I found myself going “why aren’t they over there on the rubber?”. Granted very different looking out the windscreen of a GT4 versus on a 12” tablet screen. The first driver I saw that seems sort of close to the rubber line was actually Juliano, which interestingly was the fastest in group. But I suspect to actually be on that line requires carrying more speed and allowing the car to push out to the line in some cases. I will make one comment about Irating… it is pretty volatile. I mean over the month of December I went from almost 2k to 1.3k almost purely due to on track incidents I got mugged by, so Irating is a pretty rough yardstick at times for actual race craft and skill. Sometimes you’re the bug sometimes you’re the windshield. Great study though here and very interesting! See you at Daytona in about 3 days (if you’re there this year), we are back to filming..

[@JWalterLEJ]

Thank you for this opportunity, as a Simracer I love this topic of course! While I watching the video I can feel the "fear" from the drivers without real racing experience. 😬

[@brettturnage533]

Congrats to your Daytona 24 hour win. Was fun watching.

[@sylvanovitch1969]

There is no reset in real life...... I believe this is the exact phrase that makes the difference between the sim and reality. This is why there aren't many people who respect others in iRacing and in most simulation games. Thanks Daniel.

[@danielmorad]

I totally respect guys on the simulator. They have an incredible skill level. It’s not easy to do what Sim races can do. And the same thing goes for real drivers. They are very much similar, but also very different in the mental approach in terms of fear and danger.

[@blanchimont5587]

i think it is more money than physical danger. if you can afford to crash a $500,000 race car and buy two the next day, you will be more willing to take risks. if you can barely afford to crash your own, you will take less. if you don't even own the car, even less (like all the drivers in this video). The danger of crashing is real and unpleasant, but in a controlled environment the risk of serious injury or death is extremely low. but the financial risks are the highest you could possibly imagine

[@rpcorp]

Congratulations on your Second Rolex Daytona 24 win‼️🏆🏁

[@almkicker]

Thanks for sharing this experiment. Love it.

[@krasic]

Fun video. I do a lot of sim racing and the occasional track day. My intuition is that IRL laps will correlate better with iRating eventually, but probably need hours of IRL seat time for that to play out.

[@glennfirth]

Yeah awesome video. The psychological factor would be massive, but also like you said just the experience would be front of mind. But, also worry about putting it in the wall. Here is Australia I have done the Superbike ride school at Phillip Island and part of that course they teach about the brain going into survival mode when approaching a turn and especially on a sports bike, 2 wheels, lots of things go through your mind. They say that's why you find bike riders on ride days turn too early because of this. Your brain won't let you go longer/faster to get the right apex because you're worried about overshooting the turn. What happens if I bin it! Will I get hurt? I have to pay to fix the bike out of my own pocket! How do I tell the wife! :) But, over time you build confidence and get faster. No doubt these guys would be quicker given time. At that point I think the high iRating ones would be faster given their handle on finding good lines and better braking. Loving the content Daniel. One of the best channels going round this type of stuff.

[@FredbullGaming]

Really interesting, i m doing data analysis for a friend racing in funcup and of course also with me in iracing. I will probably have the possibility to do some laps in the funcup, but it will normally be at spa, wich means going trough eau rouge, and honestly that fears me. Even my friend needs a few laps to build his confidence to go flat out trough it. I might have to change my pants after it, but also it feels so exiting 😋. We ll see, the track days are about to start pretty soon, fingers crossed

[@MrPictureshow]

Congrats on the new Rolex! 🤘😼 Looked pretty emotional.

[@mentalhealthracing]

Great video. I’d love a shot at something like this. Good lord I want this experience.

[@emdotrod]

Congratulations on the win! What a story!

[@akioasakura3624]

good video sir!! i think that in real life the fear instinct kicks in like u said, most sim players practice in "unrealistic" ways, just crashing and resetting as many times as they need with no sense of pressure when they play, which is kinda the point of the sim, but it's not helpful for real driving situations. With no deep understanding of what the car is actually doing, or rather of what the car would do irl, they just "practice more" and end up with certain setups and "driving techniques" that are very fast in the game, but would break the car within minutes IRL lol

[@nano653]

Congratulations man!

[@sp33dou]

Very insightful video thanks 👍

[@erikrainieri1772]

I don't know where to write that but i really want to congratulate with you for your win bro! Well deserved!!!

[@naspotsev4658]

I can kind of relate to what your saying about the fear factor. I've done F1600 at Mont-Tremblant before its refresh and you do think about crashing. But I think there is more to it. When I was young, I used to go karting a lot and I had a friend who was the king when doing indoor karting on concrete. But when we brought him to an outdoor kart center with a lot more grip, he suddenly was midpack. I think not everyone is good with copping with lateral g-forces. My 2 cents

[@danielmorad]

I think those two cents are very valuable

[@thedude4795]

how much@@danielmorad ? haha!

[@nicorozog]

In a normal race, you don´t have 3 hours or 20 more laps of practice. Quick adaptability is the key when you don´t know the track and the car.

[@danielmorad]

There’s no doubt about that. Most of these guys have never driven a race car in their life and to expect them to do something with only six or seven laps in the car is asking a lot. I thought they did a really nice job. It’s a true testament to how well the GT4 is modelled in iRacing. The fact that these guys could just jump out of a synonym to a car without knowing this track at all And be reasonably competitive is pretty cool.

[@alejandrocolon-iz7se]

Hey Daniel! Love your content! Saw you driving on the 2024 24h Daytona race, good stuff, definitely a pro. I was wondering if you could give us your opinion on rfactor 2 vs real life? On another note, are you going to be racing on the 12h of Sebring?

[@noduj]

It takes time to trust a car and it also takes a certain personality to become fast in RL. I did a formula 4 course on the Nürburgring a few years ago, for me it wasn't the fear to get injured, it was the fear to destroy the car. 😂 So i started really slow and massivly improved on day 2 & 3 and became the fastest in this course. I think if you're a fast sim racer, you can become fast in RL, if you have the right personality.

[@PedroSantos_83]

Awesome, I've really liked this exercise!

[@niklasbengtsson5721]

Congratulations, “fellow” sim racer on the win in Daytona 😍😜

[@ivanivanovsky4503]

Daniel love your stuff and love your gloves as well. Congrats on the 24. Love to see you at my local track going to be doing a 24 hours of lemons there this year, have you found any good sim tracks available

[@nephalem_d3887]

Were any of these drivers VR users? I wonder if using VR would impact a person’s comfort as it gives a much more realistic sensation of being in a car.

[@chuki_george]

Good point, would be interesting to see. I would guess the difference would be marginal but idk

[@tqracing]

@@chuki_george I think it's easier to get a feel for the cars rotation in VR, which would help in the real world.

[@danielmorad]

I plan on doing a video in the future about their set ups and how it compares to the real car. I believe some of them have come from VR. I know that personally, I could not drive on the SIM initially with screens. It was so hard for me to feel what the car was doing. I felt like VR really helped give me some depth perception. Now I drive on triple screens. I find that I am so comfortable with it that the extra performance and refresh rate from the screens helps me a lot to be more precise and drive faster.

[@Silverhks]

Was there is any correlation in IR too how quickly they got up to their ultimate speed? When coaching I am fascinated by the different rates of progression. Some new drivers are quickly into the ballpark of their limit while others can take many more sessions/laps to stabilize their times. Anyway, this was a cool video and a really awesome opportunity for these drivers. Also did you or the race team learn anything from this?

[@youngyingyang]

Great video Sir!! Keep it up. Real life balls vs virtual balls are quite different indeed, this point has been proved...

[@nuketube2650]

I feel like my experience is similar to Dan, I have taken my Miata NC to Heartland Motorsports Park(Topek, KS) for about an hour of driving this last summer. I found that my pace in real life is way slower than the sim racing starting at about ~30 seconds and by the end ~20 seconds off the pace from experienced Miata drivers. The first 40 minutes I was low key in shock that was driving my own car on a real racetrack so I took it easy and made sure to learn the track as best I could. By the last 20 minutes I felt like I was starting to get more comfortable with my car's limits and my own limits as well. I could definitely use more time there, unfortunately Heartland closed down late last year. It's all autocross for now, but it is a blast as well!

[@QuesadillaRacing]

I kind of agree, there is no a 1:1 relation, but there is a strong correlation. If you had a larger sample I bet you could get some statistically strong correlation.

[@solcharms]

I'm no expert on the matter, doing mostly grass roots stuff in a slow e46 (compared to a gt4 car), but I don't think the amount of laps these guys did really proves anything other than "how much confidence do you have in your ability to push right away." Cool opportunity though

[@geriatricginger]

Another awesome vid drop!

[@danielmorad]

Thanks Ginger

[@julianoromagnuolo]

Amazing experience! Dream come true for each of us! Col aka Dan really made all of our dreams come true. Great person, amazing teammate and a great best friend ❤ Very excited to see where the Msquad and the boys go next ! Who has a car and enough 🎱🎱 to let us drive 😂

[@rockysuds_detailing]

Congrats on the VICTORY at the 24hrs of Daytona.

[@NoctournalDonut]

Congrats on the victory!! :)

[@crymetyme320]

Congrats on the Daytona win Daniel!

[@johndough247]

First off CONGRATS on the Daytona win! I think the testing methodology was fair, but what I'd be interested in finding out is what kind of sim racing hardware each driver uses. I've seen very high iR drivers (north of 6000) who use entry level equipment like G27/29/DFGT...I'd imagine going from that to a real car with much stronger wheel and brake forces PLUS all the G-forces and bumps/shakes that come with it...sounds like it'd take a bit to get used to. Not sure if that's the case with any of them...but good on them for being cautious and not pushing hard; nobody wants to get that opportunity and damage/wreck the car.

[@MohammadMohammad-kl6yt]

Many thanks for you Mr Daniel actually it's a great experiment

[@dissappeer]

I'm sure some of them were nervous. I would have LOVED to drive that Mercades! I think I would be extremely nervous and equally as excited. The chance may only come once in a life time for some of them and that's definitely nerve wracking!! To the point they might not have had the focus they usually have. What a cool experience it must have been. Driving is such a raw experience and confidence is everything, be it your daily commute or a track day.

[@alphaohenriquez]

Congrats on the win at Daytona!!!

[@interstellarv0id]

This is one of my favorite types of your vids. Probably guys with better times have high end DD wheels while slower guys have T300 which differs a lot from a real car

[@daveschutt8353]

interesting test but I do think if this was these guys first time in that type of car or any road race car for that matter, then they had to acclimate to G-forces they never experienced before. And some also had to adjust the fear factor. Tho walls usually intimidate drivers on new tracks, tho this place had lots of runoff area. That said I think if the fast guys had a full race weekend with the car then they would be likely be mid packers instead of back markers. Of course I’m basing this off my own racing exp. between sim and real car. Ultimately the sim helps you familiarize yourself to the track and gives you a general idea of your breaking zones, what gear you should be in and best apex zones.