Does Japan's Izumo class aircraft carrier worry China?

[@Strategy_Analysis]

Reminds me of the IJN's "Shadow Carrier" program of the 1930s. Also, It's not so much the new capability, but what it indicates of Japan's future Defence posture.

[@EurasiaNaval]

Agree, and in a similar vein the Izumo class also reminds me of IJN's 'shadow heavy cruiser' program, to use your words. The IJN, like the other major naval powers, were parties to the London Naval Treaty limiting heavy cruiser numbers, tonnage and gun calibre. The Mogami class was built ostensibly as a light cruiser (

[@Strategy_Analysis]

@@EurasiaNaval Yes, the Mogami-class is an excellent example at the Cruiser level, and essentially a failure as you say.

[@paulsteaven]

@@EurasiaNaval the only first 2 units of the Mogami class (Mogami and Mikuma) has stability issues tho. IJN waited for at least a year before the construction of the succeeding units (Suzuya and Kumano) and they didn't have stability issues although still not within treaty limits. A good example were also the Tone class which were based on Mogami's hull that has no stability issues.

[@lagrangewei]

@@EurasiaNaval ya, but as cruiser and escort carrier are not frontline unit, even if they suffer from handicap in design, it not a major issue. as the chinese naval general staff like to say "address the question of have or have not", the capability even if a poor one is still better than a navy that doesn't have those capabilities there.

[@Kenny-yl9pc]

This channel is clearly a CeCePee propaganda channel. I mean, why would he frame the whole topic in this one-sided way?! He only showed the heavily biased article and commentary from China and their unofficial mouthpiece, the "global times". How about including Japanese or other western commentary on this topic. It is obvious that China does not want a strong Japan, which could defy the CeCePee´s goal for domination. Japan is a major power, with a huge potential for a domestic military industrial complex, and therefore the power to define and defend their own national security. The authoritarian and dictatorial CeCePee is clearly against any potential power that could interfere with their expansionist policy. If you look at the changing security structure and dynamic in the pacific, especially due to the massive increase in spending and capability, but ultimately the expansionist and assertive CeCePee policy in the region, forces Japan to either do nothing and get pushed around and in the worst case their sovereignty taken away, or increase their spending and capability too, while simultaneously changing their defense policy and structure, which means reinterpreting THEIR constitution or better changing it, so that it suits their needs. But what I find most ridiculous is the hypocrisy from the CeCePee and their lil followers that repeat their ridiculous claims. It is JAPANS constitution, they can decide and define their own destiny how they see fit. How laughable is it that the CeCePee is building carriers and whatever they want, further trying to bully every other state into submission, or coercing/forcing other states to do whatever they want, and even waging war on their borders, but criticize Japan for taking their national security serious. You should be ashamed for playing along with the interests of such an oppressive dictatorial regime like the one of the CeCePee, that treats its people like slaves and takes their freedom, liberty and ultimately their lives. They do not represent the Chinese people. (at least not those with open eyes and a pure heart, but only those who are manipulated or truly fascist in their worldview) They are only interested in their power and domination.

[@Michael-vj8sl]

The Izumo is an evolutionary design towards a true aircraft carrier. It's original intent was to be a platform for multirole missions particularly geared towards anti-submarine warfare and humanitarian aid. The Japanese are capable of building an aircraft carrier now, but it is politically unpopular and the Navy does not know how to operate such vessels. The Izumo is a testing platform for the Navy to fine tune the logistical, maintenance, training and doctrine of operating a flattop vessel. The JMSDF would rather have a small fleet of affordable and reliable multirole light aircraft carriers with less capability than one offensive super carrier. Because the Japanese already have a super carrier in their backyard, called the 7th Fleet.

[@danielloustaunau467]

thats right

[@troutstalker4744]

Dont kid yourself the 7th fleet does not belong to japanese government and it is not stationed there to protect Japan. It has 2 purposes, using japan as a proxy against china and to remind Japan on who is actually calling the shots.

[@jamesbugbee9026]

Japan doesn't know how 2 run CVs? - I M laffing w/ pain

[@johneyton5452]

@@jamesbugbee9026 yeah they had a pretty good handle on it 82 years ago

[@OperationEndGame]

The Izumo was designed with F-35B’s in mind, hence the enlarged elevators it has… you’re probably thinking about the Hyuga class DDH….

[@tvgerbil1984]

These are still light fleet carriers. They have no ability to operate serious AWAC like the Hawkeye E2s. They can complement battlegroups of the US Pacific fleet really well with their speed but their limitations would be severely exposed when operating on their own. The PLAN are more likely to be worried by Japan's very quiet diesel electric submarines, especially the latest Taigei-Class.

[@ricardosmythe2548]

Japan can use air to air refueling to put awac's into any area in the region. It only gives them increased capabilities either locally or as part of a larger battle groups but it's enough to counter China

[@itch4travel]

@@ricardosmythe2548 And China will not shoot down Japanese airborne refueler?

[@ricardosmythe2548]

@@itch4travel it will try for sure

[@EvaExplores-x2x]

@@ricardosmythe2548 Counter china meaning if China is actually going to invade Japan which is unlikely, in all other scenarios, it has no usefulness as it can't sail safely to Chinese coast to conduct any type of offensive operations.

[@zhe8586]

The JSDF is de facto part of the US Pacific Fleet. Similar to the Korean forces, they are under US command. They won’t operate independently.

[@stephicohu]

The Japanese is stuck in a dam if you do and dam if you don’t. North Korea and China has been pushing into Japanese sovereignty and Japan needs to protect itself. If the nation doesn’t protect the legitimate claims then both nations will looked on Japan as “weak” and not as a “pacifist” nation.

[@weishi9804]

talk like true japanese

[@stephicohu]

@@weishi9804 : well half Japanese…..

[@j4genius961]

​@@stephicohu If Japan really wants their soverignty they should get rid of all US bases in their country but we botg know it's not happening, why can't Japan defend itself?! They're a modern and highly industrialzed nation, this is simply colonialism, and before you say "they want the bases to be there" they had NO SAY in the matter.

[@stephicohu]

@@j4genius961 : several reasons, first the Japanese need to build up slowly because the nations around them remember what they did in WWII. There is a fear that the Japanese will decide to become a aggressor nation again. Second it is in their constitution (which we helped in developing for them) in which they cannot have a military force. The Japanese have been slowly going against the constitution but only have defensive weapons and not that many offensive weapons unlike the US. The third is after the WWII, we promised Japan to protect their nation. So in your mind what is your definition of sovereignty? What my definition is the nation can protect itself from other nations and not worry about being coerced or bully by other nations.

[@j4genius961]

@@stephicohu "...My definition is the nation can defend itself from other nations..." There lies the problem, Japan can't do that, they have to rely on theUS even tho they are more than capable of doing it themselves, plus of w@rcrimes should stop a nation from having an army the US would have had to dislocate

[@backpackingtony1779]

Since the Izumo and Kaga are made in Japan can it transform into a giant robot?

[@Evil.Totoro]

Only if they sail together.

[@tcs52023]

yeah of course

[@HTV-2_Hypersonic_Glide_Vehicle]

If I were China, I would be slightly concerned, but if I had that DF-21 Beidou satellite duo going on, I wouldn't be too worried in the grand scheme of things.

[@kennethwillard1301]

Really . . . With all the junk flying around in space, what if something smashed into that satellite and destroyed it ???

[@H-T-Energy]

eventually article 9 will update, which Japan will have necessary offensive capability to protect their territories. China or Korea say "concern" do not mean anything to Japan these days since they are threatening Japanese territory. As long as China does not interferer Senkaku Islands, then there is no need to expand Japanese military.

[@fatdoi003]

it's a modern version of HMS Invincible..... maybe good for a dozen fighters plus a dozen choppers..... can't fly enough sorties to make significant difference

[@geopoliticsjunkie4114]

You are only Naval content creator I would click on your headline for. I can count on you analysis to include enough facts to come to our own conclusions.

[@EurasiaNaval]

Much appreciated, friend!

[@geopoliticsjunkie4114]

@@EurasiaNaval As a force multiplier assisting USA forces in a hot contested area it could be potent asset . Thanks for wake guided analysis. I only wonder at what speed its sona becomes mute and what is vessel surface speed max for helicopter or VTOL recovery?

[@EurasiaNaval]

@@geopoliticsjunkie4114 Hey I agree the class could be quite useful as a complement to the 7th fleet. I don't really have an answer to your questions - I don't know if there are open source info on these specific parameters

[@geopoliticsjunkie4114]

@@EurasiaNaval Thank you fast and honest answer Im sure I can get the vtol specs from open source USA documents If so I will reply here with souce info .Helping share the load.

[@ulikemyname6744]

The guy seems to be very bias towards China.

[@rockyperez2828]

At 1:40 you said the Chinese voiced their opinion about the Japanese having a little bitty helicopter carrier when they got 3 big ones calling the kettle black are they

[@catonpillow]

Short Answer: No. Long Answer: It's nothing that Dong Feng 17 can't take care of. Having said that, Jaрan is not to be trusted. Especially considering what the people at the helm are doing.

[@renananjos8064]

yes

[@gattlinggun9881]

Yes It's 😉

[@rockyperez2828]

What are they doing

[@kleeblattchen38]

japan is not to be trusted? a modern day democratic country (japan) arms itself following the arms buildup in a neighbouring totalitarian superpower (china)... I think we can let this one slide...

[@GenghisX999]

​@@rockyperez2828Correction, not the Japanese people who were innocents when the nukes fell on them at Hiroshima and Nagasaki. It is the corrupt psycho elites who are slaves to western globalist elites.

[@irregularhunter0586]

Japan, one of the deadliest enemies the United States ever faced, is now working in tandem with the Unites States. This should be a concern for China.

[@horridohobbies]

I agree 100% with Global Times. Japan is trying to reconstitute its military capability from 80 years ago. It will take time, and its constitution will need to be amended, but the direction is clear. Denial is not a river in Africa.

[@ricardosmythe2548]

80 years ago Japan attempted to create a naval force capable of dominating the Indo Pacific. Today Japan seeks to built a defensive naval force to counter Chinas attempts to dominate the Indo Pacific. The abilities of these ships are best felt close to home there not expeditionary warfare vessels

[@horridohobbies]

@@ricardosmythe2548 For now, yes. But take the long view. Where will Japan go 20 years from now?

[@ricardosmythe2548]

@@horridohobbies its could go in any direction 20 years from now but I certainly don't see Japan arming its self to be capable of defending its self as China becomes more powerful to be an indication of future Japanese aggression. I'm more concerned about Chinas military growth considering it has territorial disputes with every single one of its neighbours on land and at sea.

[@renananjos8064]

@@horridohobbies japan's ambicions for Asian cooprosperity center going to life

[@horridohobbies]

@@ricardosmythe2548 Territorial disputes are common in Asia. This does not in any sense imply hostility. For example, there are 6 countries contesting the waters in South China Sea. There've been incidents between Philippines and Vietnam, between Malaysia and Indonesia. But otherwise, these are all peaceful countries. Moreover, territorial disputes have two sides. It is disingenuous to suggest unilateral hostility on China's part. And, by the way, China hasn't fought a single war since 1979. On the other hand, USA and NATO have variously fought in Afghanistan, Bosnia, El Salvador, Grenada, Iran, Iraq, Kuwait, Lebanon, Libya, Nicaragua, Pakistan, Panama, Somalia, Sudan, Syria, Yemen, Yugoslavia, etc. I'd be more concerned with USA and NATO.

[@davidk6269]

Thank you for another intriguing upload. Japan's Izumo class "aircraft carrier-by-another-name" naval ships will make a very good artificial reef at the bottom of the sea if Japan is unwise enough to go to war against China. When Japan named the sister ship "Kaga", it raised a lot of hackles given its infamous name from WWII.

[@JD-dm1uj]

In daily maritime ops, yes, though to a minor degree, in an all out kinetic environment, no.

[@commie5211]

I mean, Japan's Constitution is written by the US. And all the critical weapon systems has the US written on the back. Japan alone does not have a complete military industry, which means number of weapons they can build, capabilities, all decided by the US. It is concerning due to what they had done historically. But to be fair, i do not think they have a choice on this. If they do, round 2? 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

[@FahrurRoziqin]

I hope so

[@QuizmasterLaw]

like most would be dictators you seem not to understand how cooperation actually works

[@EurasiaNaval]

Hopefully there will be peace between two countries that will always be eternal neighbours

[@commie5211]

@@EurasiaNaval Yeah, i hope so. 😅

[@zhe8586]

Right on. Both Japan and S Korea are effectively puppet states. They have no independence militarily.

[@commie5211]

China/Korea/Japan basically have taken over the commercial ship building industry. It is crazy to think about, Japan can build ships way faster and in much higher volume than the US, but that is the fact. US might utilize Japan's ship building capacity to build warships in the comming days.

[@EurasiaNaval]

Japan indeed has a highly efficient and large commercial shipping industry, and so does South Korea. Given a large surge of new orders, I wouldn't be surprised if Japan can put these infrastructure to building warships on a serious scale. Japanese naval exports are only starting to gain traction, partly as they have not been known in the past to be a big arms exporter, but once the end-users become accustomed to Japanese equipment, I can see this market taking off. This country is not to be underestimated

[@朱弘宇-j2n]

@@EurasiaNaval Impossible. Japan is a colony of the United States. The United States will not let Japan's military power be too strong

[@renananjos8064]

@@朱弘宇-j2n japan's ambicions in South-Est of Asian more up speaking .

[@fdjw88]

@@朱弘宇-j2n so is South Korea. 4000 US marines are still stationed in South Korea.

[@SBXGaMeS]

@@朱弘宇-j2n "Japan is a colony of the United States" South Korean flag as profile picture.. "ahh that explains a lot"

[@cklam8722]

"The Best Defence Is Not Entering into War" - Sun Tze

[@ycplum7062]

The Izumo class, without a catapult, skijump ramp, or arrestor cables, has limited strike capability. The amount of fuel and munitions that can be carried by the F-35s is limited without those features. The lack of arrestor cable limits the sortie rate. What the F-35 gives can do is provide air defense to a surface fleet. While this does not give the JMSDF teh ability to attack China, it does make it difficult for China to attack Japan. In this sense, the light carrier can be considered defensive. An aircraft carrier is not automatically an offensive tool like teh US supercarriers.

[@sublimefermion2205]

Yep keep believing that. F-35s doesn't need arrestor cable, its STOVL type aircraft. It has better stealth and networking capability than any Chinese aircraft for next 25 years. It can carry bombs too. And can be used in offensive role. Though F-35C is better than F-35B in offensive role.

[@EurasiaNaval]

All of these are good points. My personal view on whether the Izumo class is an offensive or defensive weapon is that the definition is ambiguous. Ultimately it is just a matter of opinion. A STOVL aircraft carrier can be used for both defensive and/or offensive purposes, depending on what the state has in mind. The UK's QE class is basically a power projection tool for example, despite having most of the limitations you described (except the ski-ramp).

[@abyyy490]

@@sublimefermion2205 how did you came to that conclusion. F35 are famous for sinking in south china sea or Indo Pacific.

[@johnsilver9338]

F-35B is a STOVL aircraft. Apparently STOVL aircraft can have the fastest sortie rate only limited by deck space. Even faster or just as fast compared to Ford or Nimitz or any other catapult based carrier. F-35Bs can just do an elephant walk like with any other fighter aircraft do in land, as it can take off using lesser runway. Also don't need arresting gears to land so it can also have the fastest recovery rate. Harriers were also able to do it on a smaller carrier. Only took 50 seconds to launch 4 of them. [1] kzbin.info/www/bejne/nJOai5-Qd6mje7M [2] kzbin.info/www/bejne/jWnNiZellKamlZY [3] kzbin.infoxAcu4I3307s

[@regizeelement8511]

@@sublimefermion2205 you keep on believing that… as if you know better than US experts on Chinese weapons… Lol

[@andrewwong2605]

Bring it on!

[@jmz2154]

Yeah will bring it on

[@brianpreval5602]

they won't be operating alone, she will be with a combined force, america, uk, australia etc!

[@GenghisX999]

To defend Japan? From who?

[@brianpreval5602]

@@GenghisX999 well. who do you think?

[@GenghisX999]

@brianpreval5602 Do you mean that very large ancient and peaceful country to the east of Japan that never in history threaten attacked or invaded it?

[@brianpreval5602]

@@GenghisX999 I think you need to wake up!

[@GenghisX999]

Who is Japanese rearming against in its defense. China? N Korea? Russia? In all of known history, these countries has never invaded or threatened Japan. The same can not be said of Japan towards these same countries.

[@FahrurRoziqin]

Japanese too OP If they are not restricted in military Hirohito said: they are still the strongest, but now with anime influence

[@Quetzalcoatl_Feathered_Serpent]

Going to be intersting if a conflict happens down the line as the Japanese carriers team up with a American Super carrier like say the Enterprise.. Especially for the Kaga. In WWII it was the Enterprise's bombers that heavily damaged the Carrier Kaga that ended up forcing its crew to scuttle her. Kinda makes sense the carrier would resurrect and reclaim its honor this time potentially alongside its former enemy.

[@troutstalker4744]

Former enemy? A Better word ,would be MASTER.

[@Quetzalcoatl_Feathered_Serpent]

@@troutstalker4744 no it would be former enemy now ally. Not master. Not everything in this universe is black and white.

[@troutstalker4744]

@@Quetzalcoatl_Feathered_Serpent if you say so.

[@MillerVanDotTV]

Enterprises has been retired for a decade. It was very long in the tooth.

[@Quetzalcoatl_Feathered_Serpent]

@@MillerVanDotTV I'm not referring to that one. I'm referring to the new version of her being built

[@zhe8586]

The Izumo class will fulfill similar roles of the American class amphibious assault ship, but at half of its tonnage. It enables 5th gen fighter takeoffs and landings - its kind of a big deal against a navy without 5th gen fighters. Not much more that that.

[@kennethferland5579]

I'm not actually seeing any amphibious troops being carried on the Izumo, so it's only replicating aircraft capabilities not the whole suite.

[@OperationEndGame]

I think Japan will field two Carrier Battle Groups consisting 1 Izumo CVL , 1 Hyuga DDH (will be used as sea control/Anti sub helo platform) , 1 Atago DDG, 2 Takaname DD, 2 Murasame DD, 1 Soryu SSK, 1 Mashu AOT….

[@brucenadeau2172]

the hyuga will be in the other 2 fleets that do not have a izumo class ship

[@owenwright2365]

It should have a board side in spite of its size.

[@jamesbugbee9026]

Fairly attractive ships, considering stealth features

[@ericchong1768]

To me Izumo is too tiny and it has too many limitations during direct combat warfare. It seems not really a thread to PLA like what a US carrier battle fleet can do

[@ProudFilthyCasual]

Until it's filled with U.S. Apache attack helicopters and is ferrying over US Navy SEALs and Marines for amphibious raids now covered by a compliment of dedicated hell machines. While other larger carriers are tangling with the big boys. Japan will have to act largely as a targeted force multiplier. Unless this drags on long enough that their build up is completed.

[@IsraelMilitaryChannel]

With F-35s on board is it surely lethal however only at sea and probably in assisting in the recapturing of smaller islands. It won't be effective attacking mainland China. If there are sea battles, this light carrier with F-35s will rule the sea

[@F15ElectricEagle]

Should China be worried about Japan's Izumo class aircraft carrier? Not as much as the Japan navy should be worried about China's DF-21 missiles.

[@terryliew7661]

Looking at the building speed of both Izumo Class carriers, the speed is much more faster than China refit its first Aircraft Carrier Liao Ning. By the way, South China Sea does not solely belong to that most populated country in the world.

[@markwoods1504]

Being British as I am and an Allie of Japan I'm happy that Japan has built these two Helicopter/F35b Carriers , we will have RN ships in Japan based in Japan on the invitation of the Japanese Government also the US military are happy that these carriers have been built because of the Chinese saying all the Islands in South Chinese Sea belong to them !!!!!!!!!!!

[@ari8135]

Have missiles, have power. Its the Izumo which needs to fear. Its within the 1,000 km radius of Chinese missiles.

[@ic7481]

Aren't they developing an electromagnetic catapult for it?

[@jerromedrakejr9332]

The simple, straightforward and direct answer... NO! Why would the Chinese care about such a ship? Why should any country on this planet that has a high-quality air defense or is under the patronage of one of the leading players on the world stage, be worried about this type of ship!? The time of the aircraft carrier as a strike force is over, the means of combating the aircraft carriers have far surpassed those ships,. Since WW2 and the Pacific theater aircraft carriers have played only a marginal role in any conflict involving a nation that exploits that type of ship...such as the US.

[@Kakkoii_otoko]

Japan can very quickly mobilize its military to a top-rate superpower, if the post WW2 restrictions were lifted.

[@jasonshen7600]

The economic and industrial capabilities are far behind that of China, while it's political will is largely restrained. Unless China AND US fall to the place of Qing dynasty again, Japan will never reach the status of superpower with it's resources and manpower

[@kevinchen4662]

Not likely. For decades, Japan has to deal with its large, but stagnant economy and the worst demographic crisis in all of Asia (much worse than that of China's). That's not to mention how neighboring powers (China, Russia, S/N Korea, and even the US to some extent) would react to a rapidly and aggressively rearming Japan. To put it bluntly, due to its various limitations, both internal and external, Japan becoming a military superpower is just not going to happen.

[@ulikemyname6744]

@@Amoore-vv9wx In Japan there is high amount of automation. The Japanese industry is doing the right thing to just push technology into the problem. When they don't have enough people then they will make replacements.

[@fatdoi003]

@@Amoore-vv9wx Japan isn't as rich as you imagined.... just look at their national debt, it's close to 300% of their GDP... with their aging population, situation will become more difficult

[@camt8804]

@@fatdoi003 The interest rate paid on Japanese debt is very low though ... much lower than in China.

[@brianfoley4328]

China worries about everything...so it's natural that China would worry about the Izumo class...but when Japan actually gets it equipped and trained up on the F-35's...then China will really worry about the Izumo.

[@不死原飴羽]

Not really when China get its 4th or 5th real aircraft carrier with nuclear engine or its J-35 pasta catapult planes in the very near future.

[@brianfoley4328]

@@不死原飴羽 Just because the PLAN has Aircraft Carriers doesn't alleviate it's fears of Japan having one equipped with F-35 stealth aircraft.

[@creatormaxi8324]

​@@brianfoley4328 f35B is a defect airplane, very short combat range and the air carrier is easy target from hypersonic DF17 missile, even USA air carrier has run ouside 3000km radius from china mainland.

[@troutstalker4744]

Brian..😂😂😂😂

[@michaelkendall662]

@@creatormaxi8324 1200 miles is NOT a short combat radius

[@rangiwirihana6902]

Go Japan!

[@Asrrrdcgyeekifvhd]

いずもを紹介してくれてありがとうございます。 自分は軍事情報に詳しくありませんが、いつか日本がアメリカやイギリスのように、大型の空母を持つ事を夢見ています。

[@WQF-2004]

空母はやはりアメリカから学ばなければなりません。CATOBARはSTOVLやSTOBARよりも有用です。 中国人はヴァリャーグ空母のスキージャンプ設計を放棄し、よりアメリカの航空母艦に近い「福建舰」造船に取り組んでいます。なぜ海上自衛隊はなおSTOBAR航空母艦の開発を続ける理由があるのでしょうか？ しかし、大型空母の戦闘力は単に空母そのものだけではありません。アメリカの空母戦闘グループはタイコンデロガ級ミサイル巡洋艦1隻、アーレイ・バーク級ミサイル駆逐艦4隻、および航空母艦1隻で構成されています。 中国海軍の空母戦闘グループにはより多くの水上艦艇が付随しており、1隻の空母にはレソハイ級ミサイル巡洋艦2隻、ルーヤソIII 級ミサイル駆逐艦3隻、ジャソカイII級フリゲート 3隻（補給艦と原子力潜水艦は含まれません）がいます。 「秋月」級駆逐艦と「最上」級フリゲートの防空能力は不十分であり、海上自衛隊のDDGはわずか8隻しかありません。空母戦闘グループを所有することは、日本がさらにいくつかのイージス駆逐艦を建造する必要があることを意味します。 また、中国海軍がロケット補助推進を使用した高超音速対艦ミサイルを装備したとの報道もあります（この情報は日本語のブロガーの報道ではほとんど見掛けず、英語のブロガーがいくつかの動画を真剣に分析しました。具体的にはYJ21を検索）。射程は約1500kmで、駆逐艦から発射可能です。アメリカのDDG-1000以降の新世代DDGも同様の遠距離高超音速ミサイルの設計を取り入れています。したがって、日本海上自衛隊の新世代イージス駆逐艦も同様の機能を備える必要があり、空母戦闘グループの役割を支えることができます。 前述の内容に基づいて、日本海上自衛隊にはどれくらいの新しい艦船が必要であるかを計算しましょう。 既存の護衛隊群に影響を与えずに、西太平洋を制限するために2つの空母戦闘グループを建造することが必要です（これは実際には非常に少ない数です）。したがって、2隻の空母、DDG（X）またはレソハイ級に類似したイージス駆逐艦10隻（高超音速ミサイルを装備）、さらにFFG 6隻が必要であり、同時にこれらの艦船は10年以内に戦闘能力を持つ必要があります。

[@cariopuppetmaster]

Tell them to write Izumo and Kaga with Kanji not ugly Kana!

[@perryfielding1491]

Since you're paying is one of our allies in a good Ally to I believe that Japan should build at least three full size

[@Absolut531kmh]

Well to me it doesn't. As the 075 will be competitive against it

[@ycplum7062]

The Type-075 is an amphibious assault vessel. While capable for taht task, its only capabilities against surface vessels are it helicopters and those can easily be taken out with F-35s. In many ways, the mission of the Izumo class is similar to that of the Kutznetsov. The Izumo can provide fleet air defense, but even less strike capabilities than the Kuznetsov with only about half to a third of the fighter wing. The Shandong also carries twice the fighters, but they are not stealth. While this is a drawback in air to air combat, the numbers give the Shandong a greater strike potential.

[@regizeelement8511]

@@ycplum7062 you seem to have forgotten about China’s F35 stealth fighters…

[@johnsilver9338]

Type 075 don't carry STOVL aircraft similar to F-35B.

[@michaelkendall662]

@@regizeelement8511 forgotten?....LOL ...PRC has NO F-35s

[@哦豁-t2o]

@@michaelkendall662

[@MJTUEN]

If Japan ever tries to be ambitious the 2nd time, there should be no more "Japan" on world map. The next battleground will be on its soil.

[@kleeblattchen38]

doubt that will happen... you can't compare imperial japan (a military regime) with the modern day democratic country of japan... just like you cant's compare the modern day federal republic of germany with the national socialist party and their undisputed leader hitler...

[@ulrichkristensen4087]

It is China that is the enemy

[@neta562]

Never forget

[@EvaExplores-x2x]

Not really, even conventional carrier is within land based ballistics range, the short take off is uselss unless chinese navy is going to fight it in the open sea which is unlikely.

[@nathanwong5644]

STOVL carriers all share one major flaw, no matter how power individual fighter/striker jet they carry, they still lacks the capability to launch AWACS, which usually the case housing a much more powerful radar system and can boost the entire airfleet's situational awareness, and also provide very reliable lookdown capability that can detect sea-skimming missiles/low flying jets at way longer ranges that traditional shipborn sensor systems lacks

[@diesenutss]

Normally I'd agree, but it's not really a problem when their F-35s can datalink with basically every radar dish in Japanese waters.

[@johnsilver9338]

If Japanese carriers operate in the East/Southeast Asian region, it's not a problem as they could just launch AWACS like their E-767 and E-2D from mainland Japan. Operating on blue waters will also not be a problem as they have tankers too with KC-767 and KC-46.

[@jagodiving]

Instead of AWACS with handles by human,in near future we"ll see many aircraft carrier will use AWACS UAV

[@ProudFilthyCasual]

They aren't working in a vacuum. They will be part of a larger joint operation that will cover their weaknesses.

[@brucenadeau2172]

she can launch awac heloicopters

[@itch4travel]

All it takes is just DF 17 Anti ship hypersonic missile on its flight deck, and it will be inoperable. No need to sink it totally.

[@michaelkendall662]

land-based missiles and the already being deployed Rapid Dragon anti-ship systems will make new reefs out of the PLAN

[@worldatpeace8979]

Well until then 😅

[@ddluciferdd2251]

The distance between China and Japan is less than 700km,do you know my meaning?😝

[@angelwhite376]

Its always the same. Rules laws treaties mean nothing to the west. Japan is the west..

[@LuobingSong]

i have a kind of idea, to protect United States overseas property, the US should build double the amount of Asian ship buildings, i mean if Japan, Korea or China build one ship, the United States should build two, as the Britain did before world war 1

[@PaulParker-ub9sq]

No.

[@zyc8198]

Multi-purpose destroyer... 这特么就离谱。

[@searcherT]

time for japan to build bigger destroyers, bigger subs and make sure its next fighter is worthy of the name "Godzilla".

[@kennethwillard1301]

The Japanese government should quiet the old school naysayers, change it's constitution and build its military as it feels necessary. 😊

[@mosesracal6758]

The Izumo's class designation really is a non-issue. The mass adoption of VTOL aircraft will make any ship with just a landing deck, an "aircraft carrier".

[@EurasiaNaval]

That's not quite true. The flight deck needs to be built to withstand the heat and pressure from VTOL operations. Otherwise it will damage the ship

[@justsaiyansteve]

I just wanna say Gundams, because thats the next upgrade. Lol.

[@zixinxia194]

Chinese media tends to downplay the Indian carrier while over evaluating the Japanese carriers. Honestly indian is much more of a threat than Japan dispite all the issues it prosess.

[@michaelkendall662]

India and Malaysia will shut down 60% of PRC trade in any conflict......no petroleum and they have to surrender in a month

[@JuanAlvarez-cw4yc]

Absolutely not. China has three 075 helicopter carriers to match this ones. But Japan has nothing to counter China's two real aircraft carriers, not counting that Kuznetsov class unit bought to cash deprived Russia

[@qiyuxuan9437]

That carrier was bought from Ukraine, not Russia. USSR's carrier shipyard was in Ukraine.

[@SergioLuizCardosodeSouzaJunior]

Compro 10 porta helicóptero dessa classe para a marinha da Ucrânia

[@Wbliss]

The speaker is making up this story about China being worried about this Japanese AC Izumo class or whatever category this warship belongs to. This story is laughable at best when China’s arsenals are also ready to strike at Japan at any time. The so called Izumo AC is a ship that is about 30 yrs too late to be comparable with China’s class of aircraft carriers designed specifically for the 21st. century warfare. In addition to China’s ship building capacity which is the largest in the world, China can build several warships simultaneously if needed. It’s now working on the fourth carrier which could be nuclear powered but this is not definitive. The Japanese Izumo warships, regardless of their sizes, would be perfect targets for China’s DF hypersonic missiles to feast on. China’s navy has been designed for the 21st. century war theatre & would serve as monstrous killing machines that would match any foreign naval forces. Japan may revamp its military arsenals but won’t be sufficient to stop China’s DF’s or worst, nukes might be heading towards those islands for Japan has been warned not to play with fire.!

[@worldatpeace8979]

China is worried indeed. The complained about the carrier so don't come here and write nonsense you jobless chinese tug

[@jayking1122]

Everyone knows there pocket carriers🤣

[@alpha5449]

Of course not. Is just a little helicarrier that pretends to carry shity F35B.

[@patthonsirilim5739]

if japan matches nato gdp military spending and take down its only self defense policy then jsdf navy could be double in less then 10 years a japanese double of today is enough with us support to go toe to toe with chinese navy

[@perryfielding1491]

I believe that the Japanese military and Navy in particular should build a full-size aircraft carrier

[@angelwhite376]

It's japan's consatusion not the usa. Japan should be allowed to control its own country...

[@QuizmasterLaw]

through deck antisubmarine warfare cruiser lol

[@jasonshen7600]

BTW, I ran some calculations on type 003 and the official numbers just don't add up. that carrier's full load is definitely greater than 100,000t. I saw many people on the internet do it too and they got similar answers. Seems that PLAN is lying to us, again.

[@EurasiaNaval]

I wouldn't be surprised if the actual tonnage is much greater than media reports. That said, I wouldn't necessarily equate Xinghua's reported 85,000+ ton loaded displacement as a claim made by the PLAN. Basically, what I'm saying is I don't think the PLAN lied to begin with - they were simply not saying anything, like usual.

[@jasonshen7600]

@@EurasiaNaval I remember when they said that Shandong was 50000t, or the type 075 was 20000t. was that the PLAN or XH I can't remember, but it was definitely some official sources

[@EurasiaNaval]

@@jasonshen7600 I see, fair enough

[@paulsteaven]

@@jasonshen7600 why does the Type 003 is over 100,000 tons when it's only conventional powered just like the Kitty Hawk class that has the same size?

[@jasonshen7600]

@@paulsteaven what?

[@thomas_jay]

Japan's pacifist constitution didn't prevent China from massively building up their navy and accusition of aircraft carriers. Maybe a bit less sabre rattling on behalf of China would be helpful in calming the situation down.

[@thomas_jay]

@@accountantthe3394 And what was the cause for that ambition?

[@thomas_jay]

@@commie5211 Depends of the buying power of the respective currencies and to whom the military industries belong. The US may still be leading but the China isn't that far behind. Beside: What matters more? The money that was spend or the gear you can put on a battlefield?

[@thomas_jay]

@@commie5211 Completely legit and understandable but it's the rhetoric that worries China's neighbours.

[@thomas_jay]

@@commie5211 How often did the Yuan dynasty try to invade Japan? Some things are not forgotten as was mentioned before. Besides, there is a good reason why the chinese expansion stopped at a certain territorial size. The chinese empire had simply reached its largest possible reach with the at the time available technology.

[@thomas_jay]

@@commie5211 It didn't make much difference to the Japanese who was ruling over China at that time.

[@ktm8848]

That's an exageration

[@briansparks4926]

The P.R.C. has no one to blame but themselves and their rapid military expansion. I think history will show that this has been a major mis-calculation by the leadership of the P.R.C. by becoming the world's biggest bully. I would have continued to expand my economic power and carefully grown the military to a reasonable size commiserate with the size of the country instead of challenging the U.S. for a numbers game. Numbers mean little when you have combat experienced commanders and senior n.c.o.'s versus bodies in uniform. They have the numbers and the U.S. and it's allies have the cutting edge in technology and combat experience.

[@renananjos8064]

the chinese navy was to support the supriments lines

[@virtutemodestia3477]

Lol another lame western supremacist telling us Chinese to settle with crumbs and leave the security to the west a.k.a America. What a sick joke. Let me harras you constantly and drive by your house showing off my posse and guns and see how you feel about it. Only a loser would think and suggest your stupid advice. The world is not run by niceties but through power, and whoever wields it can set the terms of the world. Suggesting that China is the biggest bully without providing an iota of evidence other than pointing out Taiwan, South China Sea which one, the former belongs to China and recognized as such by the UN as for the dispute in SCS how's that any difference between the dispute between Greece and Turkey? You comedians want China to give up it's sovereign claims on the disputed Islands to supposedly show it's benign and peaceful intentions and that would have quelled any suspicions from people like you? Who are you fooling? If us Chinese gives an inch to your kind, you'd demand a meter, a kilometer, and then next thing you know we are left with nothing. That also invites and provokes weakness from China's enemies. Perhaps, it's your country that should lead by example in reducing the amount of bases that are placed literally all over the world. You won't do that and for obvious reasons. Another thing, the world isn't owned by the west or the US although your kind has just gotten used to the western ways due to colonization and hegemony that you lot are trying pretty hard to maintain.

[@paulchoo6216]

World biggers bully? You mean the United snake of America??

[@erwinflores6364]

Shit the Chinese have Hyper sonic missiles to sink this ship

[@ulrichkristensen4087]

Apperently you do not know how and what hypersonic does and is