Japan is building 20,000-ton Mega Destroyers - Is this only for defence?

[@JamesSavik]

If Japan builds it, you can bet it will work. They are brilliant shipbuilders.

[@fugu5162]

Their shipyard workers (I was there in 80's) were very professional & very serious about getting the job done

[@vondertann8218]

I assume the two new ships are named Yamato and Musashi

[@notarmchairhistorian7779]

They better be!🤣

[@Joshua_N-A]

Could be but keep in mind that there are submarines that's been given battleship names.

[@codyandrex152]

What about Shinano?

[@vondertann8218]

@@codyandrex152 When Japan decides to build a carrier based on this hull

[@cesaravegah3787]

Unlucky names, as modern as Japan is that kind of things still carry weight there.

[@asiftalpur3758]

We’re getting close to 10k subs. Absolutely love the progress!

[@EurasiaNaval]

So close! Thanks man

[@cesaravegah3787]

As some other people has wrote, no, it's not a Kirov, is an Aegis ship...on steroids and able to double as a drone carrier/command ship.

[@抹茶侍]

These planned ships are not Destroyers, but rather Aegis ships. Both are sometimes recognized as having the same meaning, but in Japan, the two are distinct concepts. Land-based Aegis was planned, but the plan was canceled due to opposition from the residents of the planned construction site. This is the alternative, and in order to carry the equipment that was supposed to be on land, the ship inevitably became huge.

[@EurasiaNaval]

The USNI and some other US media referred to them as destroyers. But they could be wrong I guess

[@captainbroady]

@@EurasiaNaval not really, i mean, until Japan has confirmed that it will build those destroyers and until they have considered how to classify those ships (e.g. cruiser, destroyer, arsenal ship, etc.), it would be only appropriate for the media to call them destroyers - for the time being.

[@gattlinggun9881]

Yesss That It's N0t Destr0yer Warsh!p, It's Aegis Battle Cru!ser Warsh!p!!! Even J4p4n D0gs Call The!r Amph!bi0us Assault Sh!p As Destr0yer!!!

[@johnsilver9338]

Yes, these two destroyers are not exactly like the Atago and Maya class destroyers. And in no way a replacement for them. More accurately a dedicated ballistic missile defense BMD ship fitted with Aegis SPY-7 radar and SM-3 interceptors. US is also planning to use a San Antonio class design for pure BMD role if I'm not wrong.

[@TigerPantsRocks]

This ship will be a compromise between what the politicians, navy and citizens desire. The Japanese political system restricts the nation to defense but also wants the ability to intercept ballistics missiles. The Navy wants more Aegis class warships capable of engaging Chinese fleets and performing multirole disaster relief. The Japanese citizens don't want any missiles or defense bases near their homes and cities. The result of all these factors have pushed the Japanese Navy to develop a dedicated anti-ballistic missile platform with the SPY-7 radar which requires a very large chassis. I do believe that the quality of these ships will be world class and it will provide Japan with anti-ballistic capabilities that even the USA lacks.

[@ala1990]

Found this channel recetly and i cant stop watching these videos keep them coming 🎉❤

[@6825-n8d]

Masahisa Sato, currently Secretary General of the LDP Parliamentary Defense Committee, has tweeted that the Aegis system-equipped ship is superior to the "Maya class." It will be equipped with SPY-7 and BL9, downsized to run with the fleet at over 30kt, anti-submarine and air defense capabilities (SM6 and ESSM also added), standoff 12SSM, CEC, and EOR capabilities, VLS will be over 200 cells. Most of the counterattack capabilities, such as the Tomahawks that Japan will purchase 500 of, are expected to be equipped on these vessels as well. I believe this is the latest news about this ship

[@GermanGreetings]

Whoever may build good ships for a good purpose: Droneswarm-Defense, Rocket- and Torpedo-Defense... not once of such a ship, but Plan B: TWICE ! The best defense-technique in the world can be hit or cause a failure... So where is the Backup-System for those worst-case-scenarioss, so the ship and it`s crews will be sheltered further on. Good Luck, dear Japanese !

[@deancavander]

I believe Japan is no longer in its defensive posture and shifted to a defensive/offensive posture brought about by the Chinese aggression in the region.

[@nathanwong5644]

That's insane price tag of $7.1B for merely 2 ships, with the same amount of money PLAN can probably field more than 10 Type055 big destroyers

[@hughmungus2760]

that before the run into actual construction and operation challenges, any new tech tends to have teething problems and would greatly blow out costs. While the Type 055 is already in serial production meaning fixed costs.

[@felixsu375]

China has no intention of going ship to ship. This isn't a duel. China will use supersonic anti-ship missiles and ASBMs to kill ships. So the questions is how many missiles can China build for $1 Billion USD? Answer, more than enough to sink those ships and every other Japanese ship there is.

[@marishkagranada7985]

How much does a Type 055 Destroyer cost If I may? 🤔

[@hughmungus2760]

@@marishkagranada7985 only slightly more than 800 million as per wikipedia

[@sankujamatia525]

@@hughmungus2760 1.3 billion usd currently.

[@ikko4107]

陸地にイージスアショアを建造する計画がありましたが自治体との調整が平行線をたどり中止となりました…。その代替案として以前からも計画されていた案がこれです。

[@bernadmanny]

It will be interesting to see if they actually get funded, never underestimate the ability of politicians to ignore the glaringly obvious.

[@arsyadidris6349]

North korea flicking their ballistic missile over the continent of Japan is pretty glaring sign that, yes, they really should build these ships 😂

[@therover65]

All domestically designed and produced arms in Japan are super costly. After having fought many wars, they know this is the way to go. As islands, they may face blockade during war and cannot be resupplied so need certain amount of self sufficiency

[@fuckedupbody4194]

Well its a balancing act and the politicians know they need to play but also dont want to. The JP military industrial complex is hamstrung in funds to be able to pursue new ventures/projects and want to pursue foreign markets yet no one want to buy their products really bc they're both too expensive compared to the competition and are out preformed by their competition. So the politicians are hesitant to buy a expensive shiny new toy for the military when there are offerings from allies, namely S. Korea and US, that offer better performance and price. Due to the starved budget, operational costs are higher as they're constrained for staff; while another issue is that the facilities available to make the latest weapons platforms aren't cheap by nay means, and the companies have skimped out on bigger factories in order to save costs, which will inevitably hamper them in the long term as they get orders, which lead to delays. Another issue its a brain shortage or stifling of. With how JP is, there aren't many people that go into the military industrial complex as they have either a pacifist mindset or dont want to partake in the manufacturing of weapons of war. And when they do, new ideas arent often times considered due to a strict seniority based leadership, ie you dont speak up to offer good ideas unless you prompted to or if you have a good idea, pls submit it for review. This has often led to stolen ideas or stolen credit by senior designers and researcher in Asia as a whole as those in senior positions will take credit for their juniors.

[@arnulfomanuel6340]

They are the second most numbers of destroyers next only to the u s

[@camt8804]

@@fuckedupbody4194 Maybe they have trouble exporting arms because there's been an export ban in Japan since 1967?

[@captainjohny5503]

>20000 Bloody Tons! >"Super Destroyers" >Capable (theoretically) of counter attack over 600nm >Naming the ships Yamato & Musashi to add insult to injury .... JMSDF is doing a little trolling ngl xD

[@cholodelrosari0543]

And upon launching the Yamato super destroyer: *"UCHUU SENKAN, YAMATO"*

[@tomjohnston3393]

Space Battleship Yamato

[@warhappens-com4489]

With Both aggressive China and North Korea as neighbors, Japan understands it need the best it can get. It needs to surround Japan with these Aegis destroyers act as a shield against these country's nuclear armed missiles.

[@山人-s2s]

😂😂😂😂If you know any history of East Asia😂😂😂😂😂

[@ともこともこ-k3r]

The Chinese dynasty sent invading armies as far west as Poland, east as Japan, and south as Indonesia.

[@3zea-un7do]

Can you imagine this!! JS Izumo amphibious ship with F35 has a displacement of 19,000 tons, this Maya class destroyer will have 20,000 tons of displacement, this is D ultimate Destroyer if that's the case this will be unmatched

[@fatdoi003]

looks like an arsenal ship with powerful radars

[@lydioconception3470]

Instead of 2 Kirov class.,4 Aegis class destroyers must be build 2 Yamato class 2 Musashi class aegisdestroyers To counter China's aggressions

[@DiscothecaImperialis]

Will this new missile ship capable of fitting anything as large as DF17? Did Japan has anything similiar to it and THAT big?

[@ameyapotdar461]

Looks like imperial japan is coming back again

[@innocentpasserby9632]

ehem, Germany about to increase their future defense budget to 100 billion dollars, and japan want to build a 20k-ton giant aegis destroyer. the rest of the world: *sweating profusely*

[@diesenutss]

@@innocentpasserby9632 it's hardly the same thing if Germany starts to "remilitarize". Their military is in a much worse state right now than Japan or a lot of European countries, so most of that budget will just be spent on basic modernization. Also, they've already made clear for generations to their citizens that the Nazi empire and its actions were evil, hence why there hasn't been any widespread domestic support for remilitarization until now.

[@Joshua_N-A]

More like a shogunate.

[@benbo4394]

They can’t build battleship anymore so they decided the next best thing, a BF Destroyer

[@JD-dm1uj]

China has put together an incredibly capable and diverse navy, however, if the US, SK and JP remain steadfast and united, they’ll absolutely crush them, if it comes to it!

[@EurasiaNaval]

Aww I dont know if I can heart that one my dude. I think South Korea may find it too risky to pick a side, given what is effectively a land border with the PLA ground forces. I do agree that Japan may feel more emboldened to actively support the US because they have the sea to fall back on. This is to day nothing of the tension and lack of trust between SK and Japan

[@JD-dm1uj]

@@EurasiaNaval Yeah, sadly those are the facts, though if they would set aside their differences and truly unify, they would be absolutely formidable. If not, they’ll all eventually pay a high price, as will Taiwan and the rest of the world.

[@dabo5078]

@@JD-dm1uj Last thing any Koreans would want is unification with Japan.

[@zhe8586]

@@JD-dm1uj pay a high price … for what exactly? Sounds like you live in a Tom Clancy world 😂.

[@JD-dm1uj]

@@zhe8586 Simply put, it’ll be a global changing event if they seek to reunify Taiwan, via force, regardless of approach or outcome, at minimum, they’ll be broad and deep impacts financially throughout the markets.

[@thomasgttd9063]

Japan should build large quantity of small ships with decent anti-air self defense and that carry good anti-ship missile. Taiwan tuo-chiang class is a good example, but considering Japan has more money, maybe the same kind of ships, but a tiny bit larger and more capable. With the price of these two large ships they could probably build 15 of those smaller one

[@marishkagranada7985]

They could literally build 10 Type 055 Destroyers with that amount.

[@qinxinghua]

LOL, what you expect ships like tuo-chiang class would do in the high sea?

[@zhe8586]

Why … just why would Japan do that? Small ships offer no other advantage than cost, meanwhile lacking all the things big ships can offer: higher stability in high seas, longer cruise range (hence can accompany carrier groups), higher weapons capacity, longer range weapons, more powerful radars (hence better detection range), more helicopters (hence better anti submarine capabilities), etc. And… Japan is not poor and is more than capable to build big ships. What you suggest makes zero sense.

[@arsyadidris6349]

Thats not how this ship is suppose to work… this ship is built around that radar theyre planning to mount. And that radar is pretty massive. Or else, they wouldve just been satisfied with their current line of aegis destroyers (Kongo/Maya/Atago) and built more of those.

[@perryleong3349]

Hundreds missiles can't survive Japanese Navy ships, any where in the sea Chinese satellites will tracking down ,no chance for Japanese Navy waste tax payers money .

[@RESatellite]

its yamato and musashi all over again 😂 looks like japanese forgot their lesson

[@syq8888]

Yamato class

[@BSnicks]

Japan has been suppressed by the US since WW2. When Japan is suddenly allowed to build war ships again, then it really means that the US is in trouble and needs help to catch the big fishes in the sea.

[@michaelgothenburg364]

What a load of rubbish. China is the main threat for Japan, the US and most of the world. Look at a map from 20 years in the future if Russia wins in Ukraine. Where will China's "economic sphere of interest" borders, do note here, which they use interchangeably with land borders be? Their sphere of interest borders extends far out in the Pacific Ocean, spanning Indonesia, the Philippines, Japan, South Korea, all Indochina and all the way to Singapore.

[@andrewnelson4148]

Do we have a name for this class of ship yet?

[@ph11p3540]

Remember the old days when destroyers were tiny under 2000 ton warships. They were the tiniest open ocean warship. Now they are getting cruiser sized and even escort carrier sized. What will be next? A battle ship sized frigate full of nothing but missiles called an arsenal ship?

[@vasiliyt8600]

Yamato and Musashi.

[@the1dea]

Sometimes the best defense is a good offense !

[@karurata2721]

This Aegis ship is being planned as an alternative to the ground Aegis base project. However, the latest plan is much smaller than 20,000 tons. It will probably only be slightly larger than the existing Aegis ships.

[@nostradamus2642]

With large numbers of the next generation of PLA supersonic and hypersonic maneuverable ASCM and ASBM with a multitude of sensors, IR & AI aided guidance and enhanced ranges then even large capital ships like these Japan 20,000 ton crusiers will be just as vulnerable to destruction as carriers. These Japan ships may be obsolete even before they are built.

[@jiokl7g9t6]

ROFL there are NO anti Ballistic Missile defences for manoeuvrable hypersonics - on any side. That's why the PLAN uses larger numbers of smaller ships.

[@jiokl7g9t6]

The Japanese economy probably can't support the desired budget.

[@hughmungus2760]

its a vanity project that likely will never see the light of day. the demands for such a huge warship will hamstring japan's defense budget and shipyard capacity for years and thats before any unforseen cost overruns and technical stumbling blocks occur. If japan wants to create its own version of the Zumwalts boondoggle I say let them. By the time it gets built china will have built another 8x Type 055s.

[@felixsu375]

Yes. Can Japan build more ships or can China build more supersonic anti-ship missiles and ASBMs. They're just large sitting ducks for China. And it will cause the Japanese economy to worsen. What a great idea that the Japanese Imperialists have come up with.

[@marishkagranada7985]

@@jiokl7g9t6 Yeah... You're right. 3rd Largest economy in the world just cannot support the $7B budget for these warships.. So sad for the 3rd largest economy.😭😭😢

[@Veldtian1]

The Empire of the Rising Sun is rising again, Torah! Torah!i Torah!

[@nostradamus2642]

By the time Japan has built the 2 x 20,000 tons destroyers, China will have built another 15 x 052D, 10 x 055, 20 x 054B and hundreds more DF-17 (or successors) and countless attack drones to take out these ships out at sea or at dock. Japan is actually helping China to be prepared.

[@sankujamatia525]

Easy target for Japanese hypersonic missiles buddy

[@Zephyv7]

@@sankujamatia525 didn’t know they have that, even American daddy doesn’t.

[@augustoforonda9901]

Looser nostradamud

[@FahrurRoziqin]

THE GOD OF WAR IS BACK

[@juniorleslie4804]

Which one, ODIN, or SHIVA?

[@catonpillow]

Of course not. It's no secret that Japan's leaders are romanticizing their imperial past so them building such warships comes as no surprise. As they say, a leopard never changes its spots.

[@manofsan]

It's obviously because China has been threatening to carry out invasions nearby and make everyone bow to them. They've even said people's own will & feelings don't matter, and that people will simply be "re-educated" after invasion, in order to make them more obedient. This will have to be opposed, of course.

[@catonpillow]

@戦艦 パトロクロス Wrong, actually Japan is one of the most aggressive nations on the face of the planet. Second only to the U$ empire. Your educational system is quite lacking.

[@kentl4386]

@戦艦 パトロクロス last I checked it was Japan who invaded, occupied and massacred its surrounding countries, not the other way around.

[@thantzweaung9080]

@戦艦 パトロクロス How is Japan surrounded by anything but seas? & there's literally only 4 nations which are communist/socialist in name (not in reality) within 10000 km from Japan, all of them west of Japan. You really need to learn how to read a map.

[@catonpillow]

@戦艦 パトロクロス Actually, I'm a European. And there's no need for you to like your own reply, KZbin has cens it so the only person who can see it is me. Have a good one bud! :)

[@danielhixson3717]

Destroyers hell. 20k is somewhere between a WWII cruiser and a battleship.

[@kristofsportingdogs3549]

Well, offence is the best defence 🤷‍♂

[@JYF921]

They rebuild Yamato and it will be for defense If they do some quadpacking they will be able to fit a total of 731 VLS units on the ship just as Shinzo Abe envisioned

[@shuoh.4742]

Savage.

[@abcdefgh-hz6pk]

With max range of 40 km

[@sankujamatia525]

Yes. Great Nanjing dance party 2.0 Love from Austria

[@bobbylow175]

@@sankujamatia525 you’re supporting the Nanjing Massacre. How evil.

[@sankujamatia525]

Chinese nationalists Logic- These big ships are easy target for anti ship missiles. While China themselves building larger ships than before. By their logic chinese aircraft carriers are sitting ducks for Japanese hypersonic missiles one that has speed of mach 5 another more than mach 7.

[@dabo5078]

Technically the will be, but Japan doesn’t have hypersonic missiles. Plus aircraft carriers are completely different in role…

[@lagrangewei]

carriers don't need to sail in the frontline, they engage each other 800 miles out. whereas these ship are design to operate in the sea of japan. don't make ignorant statement if u don't know anything about navy.

[@Doomguy05816]

@@lagrangewei so you agree the Chinese will have incredible trouble targeting US carriers since they will operate out from 800 miles?

[@andyshepherd5067]

having the system on a ship got to be better than land based got to be harder for china to hit a moving target

[@chiaolim7773]

No matter how capable these ships are, having 2 is definitely not enough, considering the amount of missiles and warships China has…Japan is just wasting money she does not have

[@Master-AGN]

What are you talking about? You’ve been sniffing glue? America just sent for ships to monitor the Chinese and Russian Flotilla. Just 4 and it has four times the power. Two Japanese ships are worth eight Russian ships.

[@chiaolim7773]

@@Master-AGN Two Japanese ships are worth 8 Russian ships? you are on something stronger than glue! What makes you an expert in this particular field, there is no fairies and unicorns here, I am just using hard numbers. Anyway, there is no point arguing with people like you.

[@ragabara1031]

I'm surprised you didn't mention the envisioned crew count of 110 per ship. This would mean a high level of automation, but as some commented elsewhere may be insufficient for damage control during combat missions. Do you think this is a realistic projection, in terms of actual ship capability and navy requirements? I wonder if this number is just to placate the populace, and which will increase by a significant amount if the keel is laid and JMSDF realizes that the recruitment of more specialized personnel to operate these ships is imminent.

[@apis_aculei]

Because of the high speed in relatively low altitude hypersonic ballistic weapons can be detected not only by Radar but even better by infrared detectors similar as the detectors on board satellites for early warning of starting intercontinental ballistic missiles. The true challenge is to intercept manoeuvering hypersonic weapons in low altitude. but these weapons do not exist yet. Neither the Chinese nor the Russians are capable to develop such high sophisticate weapons until today.

[@scotfield3950]

I love that they name them historically not after politicos

[@parislondonbranch.....149]

Every single The country on the planet earth has every right to build their defense and protect their country from enemies my friend.. No man should be fair to another man ..

[@kqckeforyou4433]

Nice. I know if they would build 4 with similear Design to the european frigates would make a more reasable design but 2 20k t ships are nice

[@Dethrey_]

if the destroyer design is 20k tons thats a certified old school Battleship class, hmm but no modern navy makes 'battleship' classes anymore for the risk of losing them in future battles. hmm

[@Marcus-p5i5s]

It's none of your business if it is only for defense or not

[@camt8804]

I doubt they're just defensive when Japan it buying 400 tomahawk cruise missiles which could be put on them.

[@dannyilaya8432]

New Zealand accent, Gooohhh Awwwaaayyyy

[@joosiekawk]

Russia has their Lidre-class too, they even have a concept of it. What does Japan have? all their military tech are "derivatives" of US weapons, thus watered down.

[@hughmungus2760]

at least the russians have a model of their lider class, japan just has some basic parameters listed out.

[@thehumus8688]

not everything. ASM-3 have no equivalent in US arsenal Their Conventional Attack submarine is also capable being at least half generation more advanced - due to Japan replace aging submarine faster than others. it reportedly impress Australian Navy (though due to Japan arms restriction, French was selected. and US tackle French and offer Aurstralia Nuclear Subs instead)

[@thantzweaung9080]

Pretty sure that RF government just uses Lidar class concept models to cheer up RF citizens. RF military is asking project 22350M ships instead.

[@Joshua_N-A]

Japan could possibly match the tech but it'll be taking huge amount of time and money.

[@eduardof5980]

it reminds me of WW2 before ,the 2 countries are bent on denying ,one accuses of babaric acts and the other claims it is war

[@sethcourtemanche5738]

You think they'll name one of them Yamato or shokaku?

[@dynastywarriorlord07]

Taiho and Shinano would be better than Yamato/Musashi

[@deancavander]

日本はもはや防衛的な姿勢ではなく、中国の侵略によってもたらされた守りの姿勢に転換したと思います。 答える

[@fromfareastindy8234]

The vessels under discussion are being discussed as a major issue involving not only the Japanese Navy but also the Ministry of Defense and the government. There are three main reasons. The fact that the land-based Aegis interceptor system, which was originally planned to be operated by the Army, is now under the control of the Navy. Sloppy investigations and explanations by the Ministry of Defense have led to a lack of trust in the land-based deployment by the local community, and this has become a political issue. And, as mentioned in the video, the lack of intercept capability against new weapons. Although there is a budget problem, the operation of this system is efficient only because it is deployed on land, and if it were to be deployed on a naval vessel at sea, the operational cost and manpower would be too great. Moreover, the initial goal was to specialize in ballistic missile interceptors so that the activities of naval vessels equipped with the Aegis system, which are operated by the Navy, would not be restricted. However, if they were to be operated as naval vessels, they would naturally be exposed to the threat of submarines and other vessels. As a result, a naval vessel is needed to protect the fleet from submarines, but a huge naval vessel with low mobility would limit the fleet's activities. On the other hand, if they are equipped with anti-submarine combat capability, they will require more personnel and cost more, so they will have no choice but to reduce their size. As the U.S. Navy has scrapped its plan to build a ship equipped only with missiles, this is a very difficult problem to solve. Surface vessels are also high-value targets that can be easily supplemented and attacked, although they are difficult to replenish or repair once they are worn out. Just as the U.S. Navy uses submarines to operate nuclear missiles, surface vessels must be considered at risk of attrition. Although large, heavily equipped vessels may seem powerful and attractive, they are also equipment that the Navy would prefer not to have, since it must consider the possibility of losing them.

[@andrygugli1928]

"Japan Self Defence fleet"

[@sqpilot63074]

Might as well buy Godzilla.

[@qinxinghua]

China: I don't even mind to go for an arms race with USA, join the party if you want.

[@fujitsuentertainment6539]

xxing ching kllingling wumao

[@owenwilson3877]

8964 南京南京

[@jonnnyren6245]

Make them supersized versions of the Akizuki-class destroyers and arm them with electromagnetic railguns. That'll teach their communistical bullying neighbor a thing or two about attempting to be an annoying geopolitical pest.

[@joosiekawk]

"derivatives" you mean copies?

[@Joshua_N-A]

More like "based on"

[@andrewbuffe5605]

Best defense is offense

[@tgsgardenmaintenance4627]

Japan already has an impressive navy, but without 🇺🇸 support, they could not hope to match the Chinese navy! One Chinese shipyard just built 2 Burke type vessels in 5 months!!!! I hope Japan doesn't get dragged into a war by the 🇺🇸, like soo many other countries have.

[@sergiodesouzajunior3962]

Compro a fragata toda por 500 trilhões manda para a base do rio de janeiro Niterói brasil marinha

[@redrust3]

The best defense is a good office. This is the design philosophy of a samurai sword. if you strike it on its edge, it is invincible. However, if you strike it on the flat side, it breaks fairly easily. instead of loading the vertical launch tubes with anti-aircraft, and anti-missile defenses, you could load them with Tomahawks, which have a range of 1000 miles. Or about 1600 km. should be enough to strike Beijing, and most major Chinese population centers. Japan does not officially have nuclear weapons program, but because they have been using nuclear power plants for generations, they have the technology. Because of the constant nuclear threats from North Korea, and China’s protection of North Korea, the Japanese public has become increasingly paranoid. this is resulted in broad political support for rearmament. Chinese wolf warrior diplomacy doesn’t help. I never thought that I would see the day when Japan would be discussing defense policy with India, Australia, UK, and the US. But here we are…

[@SATO-l1v]

We call these new Aegis destroyers "ASEV" In Japan. In the end, ASEVs were desided to built as 12000tons destroyers based on Maya class.

[@felixsu375]

The question isn't can Japan build them. The question is can Japan build more of them than China can build anti-ship cruise missiles and ASBMs. If not then they're just targets.

[@marishkagranada7985]

With the amount of $7+ Billions? Japan could literally build 10 of China's Best Destroyer; the Type 055 Destroyer.

[@felixsu375]

@@marishkagranada7985 Which is hilariously expensive. You have to wonder who is getting all that money. Is the US MICC getting a cut too? It's crazy how the West and western aligned nations are using the same method as the US to extract money from their citizens.

[@angelwhite376]

It looks like they want to put planes on it

[@sergiodesouzajunior3962]

Compro 200 navios dessa classe para a marinha do Brasil

[@leecheong4986]

Well, the Chinese or Russian hypersonic missiles ASBM will just sink them. If Chinese or Russian ASBM can sink American aircraft carrier, this is peanuts.

[@BeelP.]

Worry not. The collapse of Japan's economy is coming in the next 10 years when its economy, 80% dependent on its auto industry, is about to suffer face an existential fight for survival when its non existent EV programmes face a global tsunami of consumers switching to EVs

[@Phantom-bh5ru]

For a single one of these China can build 5, 055 destroyers. Sure these ships are 20 000t but the equivalent 055 destroyers would be 65 000t.

[@MAXIMUSLOK]

So what?

[@alpha5449]

First of all 20 thousands tons seems too much. At this weight they should be classified as cruisers. The doctrine of the quantity is against a few big ships rather than more smaller ones. In this case 4 destroyers of 2 billion each would be much more valuable than 2 cruiser at 4 billion each approx. The antiballistic role requires big destroyers of about 10 thousand tons but not necessarly of 20 thousand tons. In a 10 thousand tons ship can fit almost the same armament than a 20 thousand tons ship, especially when the high cost of the armament is a limiting factor. At the end 1 hypersonic missile destroy a 20 thousand ton ships as much as a 10 thousand tons ship. Quantity has a quality all of its own (Stalin).

[@arsyadidris6349]

Its the radar thats dictating the size of these ships. And those radars r far larger than watever is currently available on the current line of Burke or Burke-like destroyers. Same reason why the Ford is not much different in size than the last gen Nimitz: its design has been optimized to carry that amount of equipment effectively. They didnt design the ship and then thought about what to fit on it afterwards. They were told that ship needs to carry a certain sized equipment, and the ship’s design followed suit.

[@alpha5449]

@@arsyadidris6349 Or they bought an equipment for Ashore AEGIS, than they better thought to put it on a ship and oops surprise the equipment is so bulky and heavvy that they need a carrier to bring it around.

[@lydioconception3470]

Japan/ J M SDF must build 4 more Mikasa class battle ship destroyers to counter China's aggression and possibly Russian threat

[@H-T-Energy]

yeah yeah yeah. Some people in here are saying that Japan is rebuilding imperial military. No f-way. It is only self-defence purpose., so they cannot do much.

[@renananjos8064]

kkk ingenuity kkk Imperial JAPAN begins

[@抹茶侍]

The channel's main audience is right-wing Chinese. that's why.

[@greener2497]

@@抹茶侍 lol right, i've noticed this just after 2-3 videos from this guy

[@じゃがいも-n8j]

I Vote NAGATO MUTSU

[@dynastywarriorlord07]

The problem is even Japan goes full on imperialist, they don't have the population to sustain a long war. The Japanese demographics are already having issues with a shrinking population and work force while the economy has been pretty stagnant for almost 3 decades now. Getting into another war will not be good for Japan in the long term

[@yellomonky4272]

Tf are you on about

[@michaelgothenburg364]

What rubbish are you writing? Japan, South Korea, the Philippines, Indonesia, Vietnam, Malaysia have no intention of "getting into another war". Note here that "war" is not the steamroller ways of the US and Russia, war for China is subtle and covert as they know democracy's greatest weakness is that it cannot act without public support. Japan, South Korea, the Philippines, Indonesia, Vietnam, Malaysia are planning to defend themselves from a coming war. Look at a map of Asia 20 years in the future. What do you see if countries and the world don't act against China's bullish behaviour?

[@Mai-iq1lo]

一股 052D 055的味道迎面扑来

[@ALWH1314]

Japan classifies their aircraft carrier as frigate so this ship should be a patrol boat, defensive only of course since Japanese constitution does not allow offensive military. Partner with Mitsubishi the company made zero fighter that fought US is great.

[@AccordGTR]

I hope Japan learned it's WW2 lessons well.

[@alejandrobustos693]

Zipang intensifies.

[@thantzweaung9080]

I'm no expert but this idea just seems not very efficient. Japan's military planners definitely need to look at onions. 2 such large warships is less useful than 4 warships of 50% size (e.g., Japan's current Aegis ships). The only good thing about such large warships is their ability to carry large & powerful sensor complex. Having 160 missiles capable of defense against ballistic & hypersonic threats is good as long as those threats come from only a few directions & all converge to 1 point (which is very unlikely). Having 20 such missiles at the right position of each potential direction of threat origin to deal with a fraction of those threats each is much more effective.

[@pieterveenders9793]

Dutch Zeven-provinciën class frigates (which are frigates in name only) have by far the most powerful radar of any navy ship on earth, yet still fit on a normal sized frigate. So there's no need for a 20.000 tonne ship, they could have a 80.000-10.000 tonne ship with more superior radar than the one portrayed in this video if they opt for radars from Thales Netherlands. Of course packing 160 or so missiles does mean it would need to be a hefty ship, but considering the Zeven Provinciën-class frigates weigh 6.000 tonne with 40 VLS cells (so 160 missiles if quadpacked) and has a 2.000 km range very high resolution search radar, it's completely feasible.

[@thantzweaung9080]

@@pieterveenders9793 The Zeven-Provinciën class frigates are good but not that good. The radar complex is above average but overall sensor complex is just average, weapon complex is not even good enough to be considered mediocre (despite SM family & ESSM family). Russia's project 22350 (& later 22350M) or Spain's & Australia's F100 has similar (or even better) radar complex & better overall sensor complex, & much better weapon complex. & most current (& near future) air-defense missiles capable of engaging ballistic threats can't be quad-packed unless the launcher cell is massive.

[@arsyadidris6349]

Its that radar they wanna mount… its practically twice as large as those mounted on the arleigh burke class destroyers. And something that powerful and important, theyd want to be on patrol as long as possible before the next patrol cycle, so thats endurance (fuel and supply), and since the ship is already that big,, might as well slap on 200 VLS cells atleast.

[@pieterveenders9793]

@@thantzweaung9080 Zeven provinciën-class frigates literally have the best naval radar complex on earth, the Extended Range upgrade of SMART-L which the Zeven provinciën-class has gives it a 2.000 km detection range, literally 4-5x more than that of any other nation. Not only does the SMART-L ER provide the Zeven provinciën-class frigates (and any other ship to be equipped with it) a 2.000 km detection range of ballistic missiles and all kinds of other objects and (potential) threats, but it's even that good that it can be used for a fire solution at such extreme ranges as wel, as was proven during several joint naval exercises where a Zeven provinciën-class frigate detected a ballistic missile at well over a 1.000 km distance, but it then passed the radar track on to another ship of an allied navy which shot down the ballistic missile with SMART-L's radar data.

[@thantzweaung9080]

@@pieterveenders9793 Still, no. No L band radar can actually provide usable data for proper engagement. That's why L band radars are used together with S band & X band & even K band & Ku band radars. SMART-L is very good but APAR is average, making radar complex of the Zeven-Provinciën class frigates barely above average. Those ships have average overall sensor complex & combat management system, & rather weak weapon complex. (as mentioned before)

[@ph11p3540]

These sound like specialized arsenal ships not destroyers. An arsenal ship is a hull stuffed bow to stern with missile launchers and no other combat system. Such a boat will have at least 300 to 400 missile tubes.

[@brunovianna927]

Off course is for defense, they need to deal with a huge chinese military who wants their islasds for comunist bases

[@ycplum7062]

Can these ships intercept ballistic missiles? Yes. Can they do it reliably? That I am not sure, at least to what degree. lol The main issue is that the Japanese want BMD, but not on their backyard. It was just politically easier to put it on a ship and out of sight.

[@stanleymax4388]

Why does the title say "is buildihg" and then once the video starts playing it says "MAY be building" - you are intentionally misleading your subscribers. I'm unsubsribing.

[@EurasiaNaval]

I hope you will find a channel that will meet your demands

[@Tampin111]

I worried about Japanese militarism based on what she done during WW2 Definitely not a threat to China but more on the smaller countries in SE Asia

[@evirussasaki5915]

Back to battlecruiser classification again? 😂😂😂 But just like izumo (actually carrier) destroyer, Now, 20000 t destroyer (actually battlecruiser) 🤣🤣🤣

[@EurasiaNaval]

Honestly, I am just going off what the US Naval Institute called it... at least for now

[@Cellpeg]

Did Japan get permission to build this from their master, the US?

[@erickgumba6745]

Software of destroyer, remove program of fail safe to navigate and protect Japan ocean territory.