Does Patching Meltdown/Spectre CPU Vulnerabilities Slow Down Your PC?

[@AnalogFoundry]

I think it's time to drop AC: Unity and replace it with AC: Origins. Origins in particular is the most CPU demanding title I've personally came across in recent times. So it would be good to include this when testing CPUs.

[@rekoj08]

AnalogFoundry The game itself is not that demanding on the CPU, what really hogs it, is the DRM, codes and processes against pirating. If that was left out of perspective Unity would be a lot more CPU intensity than Origins.

[@MGsubbie]

Guga ZD I think it's a mix of both, really. Every single AI in the game world is doing something while not on screen. You can go to eagle view and immediately see a much larger environment. All this AI processing and asset streaming is incredibly taxing.

[@magsec5]

It’s a new game they don’t want to show it yet no doubt.

[@TheBabbage78]

Yeah I think people are underplaying just how much is going on in the Assassin's Creed Origins world. My 6700K stays around 50-70% utilized and it seems justified considering how many npcs and animals are around you at all times.

[@maezun]

The high CPU usage is nothing to do with DRM. Go to an open area in Origins (ie. the desert) and the CPU usage will drop to like 10%. If the DRM was causing high CPU usage then this wouldn’t happen.

[@Laimean]

But Intel said that modern CPUs will not be affected much. U need to test sandy, ivy, haswell.

[@MrCaerbannog]

Uh, he DID test a Haswell chip (the 4790K), and there was even less slowdown than there was with the Coffee Lake chip he tested, albeit the Haswell board he used doesn't have a BIOS patch available.

[@mercurio822]

Not to mention AMD FX and Phenom.

[@Tailslol]

yep gen 4 are still beasts.

[@killertruth186]

And no one is talking about Arrandale.

[@mikek92]

How about the Core 2 series ? I still have a Q9550 o/c to 3.4 on my old 3D monitor system . Still runs great too ! Also running an i7 4790k o/c to 4.6 on my 4k PC and a i7 920 on my Surround setup . 😆

[@SaturnMemories]

Try some CPU-intensive tasks like emulation and virtualization.

[@emanueleborghini3186]

Saturn Memories I tested CemU wii u emulator pre and post patch results show a loss of 5-8% performance during heavy tasks, tested on i5 7600k stock, 4.8ghz and 5.0ghz (the test at 4.8ghz actually performed better than pre patch :/) i can't afford a 1080ti tho and i tested with a 1070

[@logirex]

Nothing to be concerned over as a gamer but very problematic for servers. Some servers lost 20-35% performance.

[@archivey-h8e]

Emanuele Borghini - i doubt it, emulation doesn't make syscalls, this doesn't affect gaming

[@emanueleborghini3186]

Ultizer maybe it's the new Nvidia drivers then

[@archivey-h8e]

Possibly, Nvidia did release a patch on their end, CPU's could be a red herring, might be GPU's hit the hardest lmao

[@jacobsmith1173]

I was desperate for this video! Thank you Team!

[@sakitoshi]

Can you add emulators to benchmark tests? Regular games are usually GPU limited but emulators are always way more CPU intensive.

[@douglazricardo]

THIS GUY!

[@ExtremalMetal]

agree, been playing botw on CEMU and wonder what the impact is (my laptop still holds 30fps on 7700hq).

[@josh223]

douglazricardo he makes a very valid point.. emulation takes a lot of brute force from the cpu. Especuially because it usually only uses one core

[@jamiesmith4411]

Why is everyone testing current gen intel cpus, test haswell or older! Still running an i3 530 on my old pc

[@Eriiaa]

an i3 530 it's an 8 year old CPU, it's not supported anymore, testing on it is pointless. You think Asrock will even bother to update the BIOS for an H55 board from 2010?

[@killertruth186]

Chiriac Puiu And that's going to retire a most of their CPUs.

[@VelvetSky1102]

Jamie Smith yeah, I'm curious of sandy and ivy bridge gen

[@killertruth186]

Eriiaa So much for my HP Elitebook 8440p.

[@HappyBeezerStudios]

How far back will they provide patches? Can I expect some for my Pentium 3, and how will it impact performance.

[@alphaxion]

These patches introduce latency when dealing with system calls, you should run tests with network play as that will be making many calls to the network adaptor over running the game in single player after it has loaded. Also, you should do tests with load times and reduced memory so the system is performing more page file calls, as it's these which will see performance hits.

[@ufanisoneetze]

good comment

[@samcoolply]

Are there plans to test older CPU's? According to microsoft older cpu's (haswell for example) will get a bigger performance impact than current cpu's like coffee lake. Not everyone has the latest tech like me so i believe testing older hardware will still be relevant for a decent size of the audience.

[@Jonlyjo]

He tested a i7 4790k in the vid The result was less of an impact in the Witcher then on the 8000 cpu

[@killertruth186]

samcoolply Arriandale CPUs?

[@randocrypto1678]

I'm still rocking a i5 4690k. Looking to get the new ryzen plus chip when it comes out.

[@samcoolply]

True, but i suggested it because if they are going to do more tests i don't want them to stick to just new stuff because these tests make it seem like the performance impact on newer cpu's is basically the same as older cpu's. I want them to check if the claims made by microsoft about the performance impact are correct or not because right now it seems like microsoft isn't correct.

[@awesomeferret]

samcoolply how about even older? Many 1st generation Core i7 CPUs are still worth using for a gaming PC, for example.

[@Snowman312]

But what about those nasty random frametime spikes on bios patched version?

[@razvandavid1510]

I noticed them, too. Not only in a reduction in fps affects gamers, but also such random frametimes that break the immersion of the game.

[@mungojerrie86]

Just pretend they're not there

[@therealpizzagirl]

Really enjoying the PC focused content, DF. Keep it up.

[@JPG126]

He did the meme! Look everyone, this guy did the meme!

[@Psydrre]

The real pizza boy The spirit of Prince Dizzy must be carried on. Right, The real pizza boy? 😆

[@therealpizzagirl]

Psydrre Are you talking about the guy who I gave an intellectual beating?

[@elohimfuentes]

The real pizza boy "intellectual beating" on the topic of weib

[@Psydrre]

I'm talking about the guy you are copying lol At least try to be original but maybe that is too much to ask for?

[@HedgehogStudios1]

How did I not find this channel sooner? Subscribed.

[@h1tzzYT]

I absolutely love your content Richard, i have seen your hardware benchmark videos multiple times. Keep them going please!

[@Archivist42]

Glad you guys tested an RTS game with Ashes. My biggest fear was that Total War Warhammer might be crippled by this as it’s very CPU intensive, but maybe the damage will only be minimal. I was playing SW BF2 post patch yesterday, and thankfully it didn’t appear to be suffering in any meaningful way in terms of FPS

[@rekoj08]

Please keep up the PC coverage. It's so nice to have some insight from you, guys. Also, if possible, more budget PC vs consoles. I really miss that kind of videos. Thanks for bringing back more PC related content to life.

[@exactly9099]

Not my frames!!! I need them

[@Vriess123]

Yeah, kind of a bummer we just lost like 5 percent performance

[@yellowblanka6058]

Would you rather lose your social security number, credit card number, etc etc etc.? Personally I'll take a minimal performance hit to patch a giant gaping security hole.

[@ProteusX2]

@Yellowblanka Agreed, obviously. But it still sucks.

[@pcgameboy8407]

Turrican4D Stop spreading that bs around, no it doesnt.

[@irshaadhashim8847]

Will you be testing older generations such as Sandy Bridge and Haswell?

[@Georgeirfx]

Irshaad Hashim Haswell was tested in this very video

[@chomper720]

It is also even worse if you have Windows 7 + Haswell or older... :(

[@mr.c.3760]

what a high quality informational video...great job DF team!

[@wile123456]

Also this is the worst for low end CPU's already struggling as well as high end gamers. People with an i5 8400 can no longer run the game at 144 Hz locked on the highest settings

[@RileySkye100]

Can you create a video analysis of the game Sphinx and the Cursed Mummy and a comparison between the different versions? Such a great game.

[@LucaFiltroMan]

I still haven't seen the video, but on my Ivy Bridge system I noticed huge slowdowns in games: going from a mid-high 40 FPS to low 50s pre-patch to kind of 30 FPS with quite a lot of stutter, plus video rendering times extended by a good 20%...

[@Real_Sgt_Tom]

You guys should do testing on performance versus slow down on anti virus suites. Keep doing these great videos!

[@baccattack]

Great work as always. Thanks DF.

[@kurtp2003]

It's good to know Coffee lake is hardly affected, but I'd like to see some older CPUs tested as well. I'm running a 6700K, which ought to be fine as well, but lots of people have older CPUs than that.

[@armoxie]

What about weaker CPUs with four cores or less? After patching, my i5-6500 went from rock solid 75 fps to constantly fluctuating 55-75 in Rainbow Six Siege. :(

[@TechnicalCakeMix]

It'll be interesting to see how this pans out in the long run

[@mingzhezhang2992]

The patch will NOT affect computation intensive usage. It will affect syscall intensive usage, for example, network I/O, disk I/O, multithread synchronization, etc. For games, this will largely depend on the design of game engines.

[@GhostBOT55]

I want to have a look at CPU usage as well. Specially in games where FPS drop wasnt Significant. I think in these game the CPU utilisation before the patch wasnt too high anyway.

[@frozenfar7231]

Thanks for the video, from the moment i have heard about this issue i was thinking about your analyzing video and i am very happy with the effort here. thanks so much and keep up the good work.

[@DeilGrist]

Would like to see how this affects game streaming. It's not per-core performance we're worried about, but the overall hit to something that approaches full system load. Streaming setups that have worked for months or years may have to adapt to these patches. I know I already run on the ragged edge with my 4790k in some games to get a good 1080p 60fps output.

[@arditm2178]

I have a good idea for a video : Please support my question ! Windowed Mode(+borderless?) - Test Performance loss and input lag - Windows 10 vs windows 7 - Nvidia vs AMD Bonus Question , does it affect NVidia Optimus users any differently ?

[@awesomeferret]

Any plans to test older CPUs? For example, even a first generation Core i7 is still worth using in a gaming PC in 2018, and there are still many people using CPUs that old or even older.

[@TheJohdu]

the first decent analysis on this matter concerning gaming. good work chaps!

[@pcgameboy8407]

I haven't noticed any major slowdown for my games at all. Was blown out of proportion for sure.

[@pcgameboy8407]

I mean gaming performance being bad was blown out of proportion.

[@pcgameboy8407]

Turrican4D Errr maybe for you, that has not been my experience. lol Still get well over 10pfps on PUBG, and Witcher 3 is smooth. Just tested them out.

[@Szczurek15]

I've already heard, that games won't be affected much by this Patches, but certain apps, mostly those focused on intense tasks, will slow down significantly. So I'm wondering how are your PCs performance while rendering?

[@frankynakamoto2308]

Patches doNOT provide any additional protection, is just an additional feature believed to increment the security gap, but is as minimal as the performance drop.

[@mrratchet]

Any chance of testing Sandy and Ivy bridge? Keep hearing about the performance hits to those and the 2600k is still a good processor.

[@MaddJakd]

4930K user here (Ivy Bridge E) definitely a slowdown in video editing and rendering here. While the system is on the way to being an auxiliary system, it is still a bit painful to see.

[@dieseldiesel9292]

Seems my i7 2600 severely bottlenecks my GTX 970 with meltdown patch enabled. Running Far Cry 5 I get constant frame drops and stutter. When I disable the meltdown patch, everything runs great at a smooth and steady 60 FPS. I will make a video showing this if I get enough request. Nobody seems to care about Sandy-Bridge era CPU's anymore even though a lot of people still use them.

[@SolidSnake4Ever2003]

yup it's sad, I have an old 2600k sitting around with good z68 mobo and 16gb ram I wanted to make into a spare guest/backup pc but feel like it'd just be a stuttering mess now

[@fociz]

Honestly, we need benches with 6700k and Sandy Bridge family procs. I literally know not one person who has an 8th gen proc yet. Cmon, DF! ;)

[@S0uldat]

Great video, but you guys should test with old CPUs. It's a fact and even confirmed by Microsoft that the old cpus are more affected since the Skylake+ CPUs have better instructions that mitigate the issue.

[@Aidan.17]

Thanks for the update Richard you should do some tests on video encoding for example.

[@Gamez4eveR]

*Check the temps and you'll see why, before the patch my PC had around 40° idle (7700HQ) now it rarely gets below 60°*

[@utubeThesugi]

i was waiting for this one !

[@frostburn311]

Thanks for benching this, as more BIOS updates become available (Asus hasn't patched the i170 Gaming series yet for instance) it would be nice to see the impact on older mainstream CPUs like the i5 2500k or even something between that and the 8x00 series.

[@michaelweiss2186]

Christopher Lilly last I looked they have not patched the z97 boards either, I'm not going to install it when it comes out, I suggest most people shouldn't, hacker gets in your computer to try and run this exploit owns you regardless, if a hacker is in he has access regardless if this exploit.

[@chriswilliams5133]

Nvidia has just released drivers to help negate the insecurities even though they say gpus are not affected. I wonder if you used the those drivers. Anyway thanks for the quick update. It seems most pc tech youtubers are to stuck up their sponsors asses this week to care about this subject.

[@chriswilliams5133]

Have you noticed how these self proclaimed unbiased youtube tech reviewers have switched to advertising mode for sponsors at CES?

[@jorelplay8738]

DigitalFoundry If there is a difference of 2 FPS, and you can see it every time, it's „minimal”, please don't say it's „within margin of error” because it looks consistent.

[@EposVox]

Thank you.

[@leonbishop7404]

haha, a comment from a 300k subs channel with 1 like

[@r3tr4d]

2500k rocking at 4.6GHz. After Meltdown update The Witcher 3 has become a choppy mess due to micro stuttering. As framerates stay almost the same, frametimes are all over the place.

[@AdaaDK]

Microsoft has anounced that older Intel cpus will suffer from spectra patch 2 + bios implimentations and such, in their testing. So i think it will be 1st gen core -> upto Skylake, that will se the worst hit in preformance.

[@knofi7052]

Thank you very much for testing. However, your results are totally different from what Microsoft and Intel are trying to tell us. They have officially said that older CPUs (and older Windows Versions) will be affected more by the slowing down than newer versions. But we all know, we should always buy the latest and greatest from those companies...

[@Nusma]

Looks like it's about time to leave my 2500k for a next generation ryzen. It served me well but Intel destroyed that trust for now.

[@alexatkin]

Even though Intel are STILL faster than Ryzen for most normal usage scenarios even AFTER the patch?

[@Nusma]

Alex Atkin "normal" usage scenarios don't run at >90 fps. And even for someone who games at 120 fps it makes no difference if the game runs at 150 on intel or "only" 130 fps on amd. Also you have to concider that games will get way more multithreaded in the future wich makes processors with many lower performing cores more future proof than processors with few high performance cores. And even with that tradeoff in mind the actual single core difference between intel and amd is only around 10-15% as seen in the video.

[@Nusma]

Neiva It's happening though. I'm sure you haven't missed the fact that console processors all use low clocked octa cores. And Devs are adjusting. It's not happening over night of course since many newer games use rather old engines but as new engines are developed and devs learn how to multithread properly it's only a matter of time. You are right, it's a slow process that has been dragging on for years now but the changes can already be seen. Games like Far Cry Primal who count on single core performance will decline for sure. At least that's my bet as someone who won't upgrade his cpu for another 5 years or so.

[@awesomeferret]

Nusm4 trust, but not frames. Intel is still the choice for gaming. But there is an argument to be had for trust (although I personally disagree, Intel thought it couldn't be hacked after all, it's not like they asked anyone to figure it out).

[@Nusma]

awesomeferret They knew since summer 2017 and still released an entire new line of processors without working out these issues. That's why they are facing a class action lawsuit right now in the US.

[@DJ_Dopamine]

A new bios/microcode update just landed for my motherboard (ASRock Z170). Not sure if it's linked to the latest security issues, but seems too much of a coincidence!

[@BrianFrichette]

These initial patches may be "first-gen", as you say, but subsequent patches are almost certainly going to *improve* performance over the initial patches. It's pretty unlikely that performance will continue to get worse beyond these initial patches.

[@adamsaint2890]

Most board manufacturers are pretty bad when it comes to updating their consumer level stuff once it's no longer the latest and greatest. If you have a look on the WinRAID forum, they've got a program called UBU BIOS updater that will slipstream the latest microcode and option ROMs into your BIOS. For me, as someone who uses my PC only for gaming (and has a few laptops for work use, including the macbook I'm on now), I won't be updating the microcode and will be rolling back any windows updates. The worst that could happen is that someone gets to watch me play STALKER or GTA V...

[@cyphaborg6598]

It seems like the problem starts to arise when the CPU is going 120+fps after those two patches in Witcher 3,would appreciate testing a 4K system,i'm not connecting my system to the net until a lot of these patches are out and tested

[@OutOfRangeDE]

Its so easy: Start cinebench and compare numbers. My r5 1600x at 3.9ghz dropped from 1295 pts avg im multi core test to 1280 avg. I did 20 test b4 and after the patch. So: There is a minor difference, but it may not be experiencable in gaming

[@argoniantuncboyacyan1780]

Why do you keep testing old games? Performance impact is more noticable on new games like AC: Origins.

[@halistinejenkins5289]

good stuff Richard!! more testing please

[@PhantomHarlock78]

Can you have a patch to unpatch, if you dont care about the security?

[@MaddJakd]

Just remove the update (that's what I've been told anyway, and we know how win 10 can be with the updates behind your back😑)

[@mulsimin__]

Thanks for this video..Now I know what my next CPU is gonna be.

[@Globespy]

Thanks for this video, much appreciated. Those hands man! What's this horizontal karate chop, 'slide' move? Are you trying to hypnotize us? lol. On a serious note, have you ever taken a look at the same results now there have been numerous patches, especially the recent Win 10 update that specifically slowed some games dramatically?

[@iREVOLTER]

i7 4790k @4.5Ghz paired with Titan X Pascal and 2400Mhz DDR3 is something amazing for 1080p/Ultra Gaming. Over 100FPS. Nice.

[@carlkitchen]

Thanks for this. But I'll mention that eventhough AMD is immune to meltdown, it didn't stop Microsoft from doing a non discriminate patch. I'm not sure how it affects gaming on Ryzen (I'll try Rise of the Tomb Raider later), but we did get a hit on SSD performance.

[@carlkitchen]

Ok so I went from 86.5 FPS on average to about 84 FPS on average with the baked in ROTTR benchmark at 1080p and highest preset. This may be within variance but it was repeatable and consistent. This was on a Ryzen 1700 @ 3800Mhz and a moderate to heavy overclock on a RX 580. There is a way to disable the meltdown fix for AMD chips supposedly. Will have to try this as well as it would be nice to get my SSD perf back.

[@JocPro]

Considering that I/O is one of the most affected scenario (specially with fast M.2 NVMe drives), wouldn't be good to measure load times as a secondary variable and not just measure FPS's alone?

[@miguelbarajas9892]

Great video DF! Thanks on behalf of the PC community

[@goncalodourado3631]

Hi Richard. Great work as usual! Are you planning on testing more chips? It would be interesting to see the 8700k vs the 7700k or 6700k. And also the 4790k and 3770k. Both the Haswell and Ivy cpus are still good gaming cpus, but according to some info’s they are going to be hit hard in performance by the fixes! Either way, let’s see what the future brings... Cheers

[@maker7901]

so pretty much if we want are performance back we would need to download inspectre from gibson to disable inspectre and meltdown updates to get the full performance out of it.

[@suiton20]

What about live streaming or recording your gameplay on the same pc? I’m pretty sure that is going to take a bigger hit on some content creators

[@Kannamoris]

The update hit my i5 4590 like a truck. In combination with my GTX 1060 I'm unable to play Battlefield 1 at any setting higher than medium.

[@PedroLucas-hk3vo]

Missing a benchmark with i5 2500k / i7 2600k, CPUs widely in use, the best for gaming and overclockers without newer mobos/DDR4.

[@Dysphoricsmile]

Well, I've got the 8700k, so 3 MB more cache, 6 more threads - And I have her running 5 GHZ all core, Uncore, and Cache - with my RAM at DDR4-3100 speed. So I take it that I will see, at worst, MAYBE 1-3 FPS lost in Witcher 3.. I bought G.Skill Ripjaws V DDR4-3200, but for SOME reason, even when I load in ALL the sub-timings it is rated for, it ALWAYS fails AIDA64 (whenever Cache and/or RAM were being tested) within less than a minute! I suppose that is what I get for buying mid-tier, Dual Rank RAM - that does NOT use Samsung B-die ICs. I suppose I COULD try 3200 again, and lower the main timings from the recommended 16-16-16-36 to 16-18-18-38 as those are the timings for the next step down from the Kit I bought. I accidentally ordered 1 stick of 16 GB G.Skill Ripjaws V DDR4-3200 - and that stick's timings were rated at 16-18-18-38, but I then returned that to Newegg for the 2x 8 GB 16-16-16-36 3200 kit I have now... But I am happy with the ~46 GB/sec I get according to AIDA64 Cache and RAM Benchmark, as well as the low latencies (just 9.6ns to L3$ and ~48.9 to RAM!) I don't think it is worthwhile to loosen my timings so much just to gain 100-200 MHZ effective RAM speed. In fact, I was quite happy to see at 3100 effective, AIDA64 shows my RAM latency at just 48.9ns!

[@MatthewDuplissis]

Can we get a whole range of CPUs tested here? Both Intel and Microsoft are on the record stating that Haswell and older are hit harder than any of the *lake cpus. Its really neat the lake cpus aren't hurt as much, BUT a lot of people have haswell or older. I my self still have a i7 5820K.

[@Doc_Valparaiso]

It looks like the i5 8400 is dropping in price. It's $202 on Newegg. The 8600k is $260. It's probably still gonna be a few months before I can purchase the parts for a new pc. In the meantime, I hope everything gets fixed for Intel owners. Selfish me still hopes the cpu prices stay low. If things get really bad for Intel I just hope that Ryzen cpu's don't suddenly skyrocket. The mid-range gpu market is brutal right now. I was hoping I could get an RX 580 8gb for a reasonable price. But, anything above a GTX 1060 3gb is getting to be outrageous.

[@xXCrazyGamer21xX]

I'm glad you showed a few tests of the 4790k, as that's what i still have, and as always, thanks for the video, and keep up the good work!

[@johnward3807]

Guys I have a PC but don't know much about Cpu, would it be worth upgrading an i5 6400 for an i7 7700k for playing games like Fallout 4 and Skyrim. I have a gtx 970 and I feel like my cpu is bottling when it comes too try to hit a locked 60fps on 60hz

[@supermx507]

Finally I was witting for this video . Good job

[@Taorakis]

The Press sais older CPU's are more heavy influenced, even more is Windows 7 and 8.

[@_Thred_]

I really wish Digital Foundry would change their benchmarking suite for PC's. Several of those games came out before Ryzen even existed so optimization on those games are not very comparable to Intel.

[@tonygledhill3654]

test windows 7 or vista because they are older systems

[@nO_d3N1AL]

Serious question: if you want to stress-test CPUs in games, why not run at the lowest possible resolution (e.g. 800x600)? To be honest I'm surprised that such an exploit took so long to find. Intuitively one would expect what is essentially a caching + eager evaluation issue to have been discovered within the first couple of years.

[@RahFah]

Great video. Thanks for the benchmark of i7 4th gen

[@spitfire219]

Can you test with 2600K/3770K ?

[@DJBV]

I did my own testing with my i7 3770k at 4.2ghz with 2400mhz ddr3 ram and a 980ti i did not lose performances whatsoever the only game i noticed i lost 3-4 fps i shadow of war from 85 average to 82... Of course thats only the windows update i dont even think gigabyte will release a firmware update for my good old cpu

[@Musyaaaa]

i gained a lot of fps after disabling spectre and meltdown, i went from unstable 60-70 fps to stable 90-100 fps in cyberpunk, i hve i7 5960x

[@flixlion9109]

If you want the CPU to be the limiting factor, why don't just go with medium settings?

[@odellus]

WHY DO YOU TEST CPU PERFORMANCE IN GAMES WITH SETTINGS THAT CLEARLY PRODUCE MASSIVE GPU BOTTLENECKS HOLY FUCK

[@randomdudewalkingdownthest8158]

I'm not sure but some games show signs of GPU bottleneck, like AOS

[@blackwidow7804]

The big money is in the server CPUs and there the performance lost for Intel is quite significant.

[@BluePixelGaming]

So everyone bought one of these Intel CPUs based on them having X performance. A security bug has resulted in them losing X performance which the buyer is essentially being forced to accept. Does this mean that those who bought these CPUs are in fact entitled to a partial refund now that their CPUs are less powerful than when they bought them?

[@AxeLea3]

Very interesting, awesome that you guys will put out videos for stuff like this as well. I speculated this could shift the power dynamic between intel and AMD but it seems to this point, it will not do that

[@MrCaerbannog]

The only way it's likely to do that is if AMD takes the opportunity to really destroy Intel's public image. Unfortunately, even if the Ryzen is almost totally immune to these exploits, marketing and PR have never really been AMD's strong suit (or at least, haven't been since the Athlon 64 era).

[@AxeLea3]

True that man

[@MajDroid]

I was playing Gears of War Ultimate Edition and decided to install the latest bios update which contains the fix, I noticed a drop by approximately 15fps in the game :(

[@PickeringSamuel]

I had a i5 6500 and it used to run bf1 at about 70fps consistently, since these patches it won't go over 50fps. Really annoying and bf1 is the only game I really care about so I bought an r7 1800x

[@dreammfyre]

PC? It's actually the exact same issues for consoles and mobile phones. Pretty much all modern CPUs have these vulnerabilities.

[@dolbyprologicii]

re hash nope only intel has meltdown vulnerability that is a hardware bug.. spectre can be patched without performance impact

[@Psydrre]

Consoles are on AMD cpus though.

[@DJ_Dopamine]

It's less serious for consoles as they generally don't use Intel. But AMD CPUs are not 100% invulnerable to all of the issues recently disclosed... just Meltdown (albeit the most serious). The OG Xbox has an Intel CPU, it's too old to be affected ofc.

[@DatGrunt]

Not like it matters on consoles. Their CPUs are already pretty weak.

[@mcdorrcom2088]

Richard Xbox one cpu is Amd and the intel bug affects all cpus for the past 10 years dumbass. And patches against meltdown does not fully get rid of the vulnerabilities

[@AuthorityCat]

Will you guys be doing frame tests for Monster Hunter World? Specifically PS4/Pro. I already have a pro due to performance increases in past games (thanks guys). Just wondering how stable the game is gunna be. A new beta should be coming out soon btw if you want to test.

[@paulunga]

Apparently there's a much bigger problem on older AMD CPUs that makes them unbootable after they've been patched. Great job not including the most important in your video. Not even in a short post editing scene at the end.

[@halcyondaystunes]

I had a critical update the other day which i assumed was one of these patches and all of my Asus utilities disappeared. They were on the system but couldn't open them. i rolled back.

[@brafmetoo7560]

halcyondaystunes Exactly the same for me

[@bigbuckoramma]

Why is NO ONE doing ANY testing on Z68/Z77 parts?! The 2500k to the 3770k are still VERY much used by many, and that data would be invaluable. It is disgusting that nearly EVERYONE seems to be ONLY going back to the 4000 series CPU's, which happen to have PCID, which mitigates the performances loses from the Windows Update. Please test older silicon! You do it every other time, why are you only dropping down to the 4790k here? Fishy as hell.

[@underflip2]

Good to see the impact is pretty small

[@underflip2]

Turrican4D strange that DF dident say anything about that in the video then.

[@darkerm76]

Do you guys understand how bad this is. Let me explain. suppose 8th Gen i5 get 100fps without patch. then it get 90 fps with patch or 80 with future patch. so we lose 20% but the 9gen will be slight better and perform as always like 20-25%. so with the 9th gen cpu we might get 110 or 115 fps. it may looks like we got huge bump from 90 fps to 115 fps but we are not. this is actually good for intel in a way and we gamers are screwed unless we get a good AMD cpu or a decent 9th gen.

[@DamedaZenZenDameda]

I'm worried if older pc's will get bios updates...