How to keep your CPU from melting!

[@garyalexander2967]

To the commenters asking for AMD: Benchmark your CPU at stock. Write down the results. Go to PBO, pick the max negative offset you can get that's stable. Benchmark again and write down the results (they should be higher). Then go back into the BIOS and lower the target temperature in PBO until your benchmark results drop to around the first number. There you go!

[@musicalintelligence]

ASUS mobos have a hard time with PBO. My Creator is absolutely allergic to any automatic tweaking and I am tired of pulling my GPU out to reset the bios.

[@bushi1147]

​​@@musicalintelligenceIf you have armory crate on it will screw with specs but you can technically overclock using Amory crate

[@Deadwillpower1001]

What is PBO. I cant remember for the life of me.

[@thejamiestarbuck]

@@Deadwillpower1001 Precision Boost Overdrive

[@IT10T]

@@musicalintelligence Yeah, I find that the offset potential is somewhat relational to the overclocking spec on the DIMM. I seem to be able to do better if I do not max out the XMP, I think DOCP is whack, also if you overclock CPU and not the RAM, the VCC and VOC will be all cracked out and jumpy like its on drugs. I hear Gigabyte had the same issue until their BIOS update in May.

[@dukett2430]

Perfect timing Jay! I was literally stumped on the XTU, blocked by windows defender. This is classic Jay, on point tutorial. I heard about undervolting, was interested, now I'm using it.

[@anaveragehuman2937]

I did undervolting on my 5900x and dropped 15-20C off of load temps and gained some performance. Totally worth the effort.

[@bassplayer3974]

Same here now ramps up to just under point you need hardcore oc

[@SenpaiDaT]

do you have any tutorial to do it?

[@distorteduzi]

​@@SenpaiDaTsearch optimum tech undervolt pbo2

[@portman8909]

Undervolting is way more useful than overclocking parts imo. I've done the same for my CPU and GPU. Much lower temps barely any noticeable performance drop.

[@anaveragehuman2937]

@@portman8909 Yes, exactly. What gpu did you undervolt? I just finished undervolting my RX6600 and get a 5-15% boost with lower temps.

[@deadzeye9007]

One of the biggest factor I noticed in high temps is the ambient room temp. I live in a tropical country and i tend to turn off my AC 14 hours of the day. And while turned off, my gpu tends to reach 90+ C.

[@bradarmstrong6919]

I'm curious why you turn off the A/C for 14 hours? I'm in the trades and most HVAC workers say it's better to keep it always on, otherwise it has to work longer and it is harder on the compressor.

[@narwhal9852]

can't fix the sun

[@Tatusiek_1]

just undervolt the sun

[@MarkHallG]

Undervolt and point an external fan to the intake of the PC

[@Tatusiek_1]

@@MarkHallG And cpu contact frames are good for lowering temps

[@killer01ws6]

I appreciate you taking the time to do this, I would like if you might revisit it again with a 13900K or KS to see what you can get out of it and still lower the voltage and temps.

[@RJWca]

I too would like to see Jay do this with i9-13900k. I have Asus ROG Strix z790-E Gaming. I really hope he can revisit with this

[@stephenvp]

​@RJWca i dont think xtu will save your settings on a z790. Youll have to undervolt in the bios. Im having the same issue. This video is for the 12900k and a different motherboard. Its irrelevant for us. Temps are still ASTRONOMICAL for the 139000k even witha .05 undervolt and stock clocks.

[@RJWca]

@stephenvp I'm not undervolting anymore with an external software letting AI do it and so far it's been months with no problems at all!

[@ArtFiendz]

@@RJWca AI was doing a great job with my 14900k on an Asus ROG Strix z690-e gaming, but with my new Asus ROG Maximus z790 hero it's way too hot and can't figure it out for some reason. I knew how to overlock pretty decently when i had a 9900k but with the E-cores and P-cores I can't seem to grasp it properly. I definitely need to undervolt or something because my 14900k is throttling in cinebench r23 on stock.

[@RJWca]

@ArtFiendz Update All my system z790-E with Asus ROG 4090 OC and 7800mt 32GB ddr5 have been working great since keeping it updated to the newest bios with armory crate taking care with AI fan control.

[@catpsyche]

Jay, I really like how your brain works! You're articulate, you talk things through, not afraid walk your way backwards out of something that you said too quickly and explain your reasoning, and overall an excellent communicator. I maybe late to the game and to subscribing but totally enjoying catching up on all your most recent vids. Thanks so much! Helps me greatly in planning out my first build... And the thing is I'm sure MOST don't just watch vids like this - one and done! But rewatch, II, , into infinity til we totally get it.

[@netiturtle]

Seems like a good way to find the limits of your system and mirror them to BIOS. And ditch XTU, I'm allergic to applets running in backround. But I don't know how granual control Intel allows, they have a habit of taking away control from users, even settings that are harmless or even beneficial to longevity of CPU. Like undervolting with non-K models or cheaper chipsets

[@daymanwhoa4893]

You are the best Jay. I was wondering how to keep my I7-14700k from reaching 100° at 100% utilization and not only did you teach me a very valuable skill, but did it in a way that was enjoyable and easy to understand... I'm forever grateful for your channel, it's brought my passion for computers to an all time high. You're literally an inspiration and I hope one day I can be on the same level of understanding as you

[@VGShrine]

21:23 This hits hard after Jay's latest update about his health and I really hope everything goes well for Jay and we can continue seeing you in great shape for your next videos.

[@DuyKhanh94]

But on most of the Asus board, XTU won't be able to apply the setting on boot because of the watchdog timer, XTU said watchdog timer is not present, lots of people are facing the same and still not able to find the solution :(

[@BNR_248]

@4:00 i disagree Jay, I ran cinebench non stop on my 10900k to test the overclock and it ran fine, however, I launched battlefield and it crashed with Whea_uncorrectable_error loading into the game. As a result i started using Linpack extreme instead, 3 runs of the stress test it crashed immediately, altered my voltage, ran linpack again for 3 more rounds, it was perfect. Launched battlefield with the same OC but better voltage curve and its ran perfect ever since. Cinebench only tests the core clock itself, core clock OC can affect memory and cache, which cinebench does not test..Linpack does AVX and nonavx instructions, also loads up cache and ram. Covers all possibilities.

[@bradclapp4022]

I feel like Jay was trying to say it's a good test to max out the temps. This definitely needs clarification. You definitely need to run multiple types of stress test to ensure stability.

[@BNR_248]

@@bradclapp4022 ahh if he meant temps then my mistake. Assumed he was trying to test the stability.

[@zackzeed]

I knew some of this already but It's very much appreciated to get a nice refresh from someone who knows! Thanks Jay!

[@michaelgerik8730]

I’m so confused

[@Bocchi_the_Kok]

Same bro. Same. Im scared to fuck with this 3500 prebuilt pc. I got a 14900kf so i know its only a matter of time til it shits out. I just underclocked in xtu and updated the bios. Hoping that is enough to keep it from frying. It does throttle during cinebench even with the downclock. Shits so confusing😊

[@DECIMATOR69]

What kind of cooler do you have? ​@@Bocchi_the_Kok

[@Bocchi_the_Kok]

@@DECIMATOR69 360mm aio

[@Chicken-o5e]

I have 9950x with 360mm aio and i accidentally overvolted to constant 1.35 volts and underclocked to 5.1ghz bcuz im just testing things learning on my own tuning. I benchmarked in cinebench 23 and hit 103c with average 96c. The max safe temp advertised for this cpu was 95c. Now im panicking over my cpu already having degradation by the first week using it. I undid everything and now my cpu doesnt go above 75c stress test with auto everything with pbo on and curve optimizer and shape manually tuned. Is my cpu damaged and how can i tell if it is? I want to prevent further degradation if so. Ive tried searching many forums but nobody has clear answers.

[@sahxe]

​@@Chicken-o5e nah bro it's alright Just make sure, the temperatures and voltage are managed ☺️

[@robertg6019]

I would love a full tutorial on buiding a pc with a full water loop. Step by step guide if someone was starting from scratch. I've done many builds now but full water cooling seems daunting to me and would love a follow along. That way we can copy what we want or use the instructions to do different cases etc. Anyway love the content, thanks for all the hard work my ADHD brother :)

[@JasonMoon111]

Optimum tech has few very good build guides. He even lists all products he use including fittings etc.

[@laurenceb5516]

He has one

[@JasonMoon111]

@@laurenceb5516 He doesn't name those complete builds well. There are more than one complete tutorials.

[@DickCheneyXX]

What is daunting about water cooling? While it is mostly an exercise in futility, it is fairly straightforward. You install the water block the same way you would any air cooler.

[@dragonman910]

I personally have used throttlestop for over a year. With it, I cut my 45-50C idle temps down to around 30-32C!

[@john1182]

are you limiting the cpu's spped too tho? i use it on my torrent box and limit the machine to 20w total, but thats from 2.5ghz to 1.6 ghz all cores

[@dragonman910]

All I did was limit the voltage. I'm using a i9 10850k. 10 core 20 thread 3.6 base 5.2 turbo. I oc between 4.2-4.5 all core.

[@danielwhite1670]

It's definitely a good piece of software. My 10900k would be hitting 90+ on Cinebench until I adjusted my voltages. Motherboards do tend to send way too much power to the CPU on even default settings at times.

[@zike4032]

Could you help me do the same, I got 11-400f like 50-60 at desktop idle and 90+ on games, driving me crazy. Cooler check, reapplying thermal paste nothing will make it lower.

[@Karn0010]

Knew a lot of this myself. A very good explanation of XTU and what it provides.

[@patrickryan3067]

Thanks for the video. Recently upgraded to 13900k and temps are outrageous. Will give this a try. I’d like to see more on load line calibration settings. That would be a good topic to do a deeper dive on. Also, currently having some issues running 64gb of ddr5 with xmp enabled at 6400Mhz. Heard others complain about Intel 12/13gen running full dimms with OCs. Maybe you could touch on that at some point. Appreciate all your content, Cheers!

[@mrufo2297]

Are you running ram rated at 6400 stock or OC to 6400? All 4 slots at 16 each from what you said, right? What motherboard?

[@NicoGylis]

what does you mb doc says about supported frequencies for 4 1R dimm ? usually with ddr5 2 1R > 2 2R > 4 1R > 4 2R in term of supported frequencies and 16Go is most of the time 1R

[@wiseanime2875]

also curios if you are trying 2x32 or 4x16? I've read that the 4x configs dont play well with any oc over 5600. also which moba you running?

[@Frozoken]

​@NicoGylis yeah and ironically enough if you have a 2 dimm board which is almost always itx or an overclocking board, dual rank x2 goes from like a +200mhz advantage over 4x1 rank to like + 800mhz so if you're a creator needing fast high capacity ram the "creator" boards will leave you much worse off 😂.Msi is the best example of this seeing they say their supported speeds for all mem configs and their $300 itx board supports 600mhz higher mem clocks in dual rank than their like $1500 z790 godlike.

[@TheCmdCousteau]

Thanks Jay for the video. I would be interested by the Load Line Calibration settings and other advanced OC stuff. Would you consider a follow-up video about that, please ?

[@iikatinggangsengii2471]

thing is each cpu has different voltage values, different board also add randomness factor it relates with the stress/ stability test program used, and apps afterwards so yeah, just try i guess is the best advice

[@mickeyriola9087]

That’s true ^ and he does have another video messing with that at least as of rn idk the name of the video but it’s not very old

[@dyson9422]

I have been building computers for an AI developer who works from home in an area with slow internet service. While coding can be done on a laptop, testing is done on a PC that I assembled with a 13900k CPU held down by a Thermal Grizzly Contact Frame and cooled by a Noctua NH-U12a and a 4090 GPU. With FurMark running on the GPU, the CPU was under 90 C while running Cinebench R23 doing a 30 minute stress test in a 25 C ambient. The multi thread score was just over 38000. Intel XTU makes getting the most out of CPU lottery and cooling solution a lot more time efficient. Cooling solutions also need to be efficient over time. Dust decreases the cooling efficiency and dust increases with fan speed (air flow). Dust will accumulate exponentially with time. This means that an initial temperature margin, e.g. 90C, will be needed to compensate for the inevitable accumulation of dust. CPU temperature will increase exponentially with frequency. The CPU and its bios will use a higher frequency and voltage (turbo boost) on a core if the temperature and voltage and maximum frequency will allow. This seems like a good idea but it depends on the cooling solution. This turbo boost can use more of the thermal budget than the ideal heat/work ratio. This will cause less work for a targeted temperature margin. A quick indication that the maximum frequency is too high is that the Windows Task Manager reports a CPU speed much lower than the maximum frequency. The best indicator is the Cinebench score at your target CPU temperature. The best PC motherboard fan curves will remove the heat with the minimum air flow. This will make less dust and noise. By adjusting the fan curves and maximum frequency the curve should look similar to the table below. CPU C 40 50 60 70 80 90 94 Fan % 0 10 15 40 70 90 100 The number, size of the fans, and fan speed of the fans that help remove air (exhaust) should be sized to maintain positive pressure in the PC case from filtered air.

[@bh0llar702]

There are still not enough oc guides out there. Thanks jay

[@chincemagnet]

My z790 Aorus Master had my 13900K set to 1.5v out of the box!! It immediately thermal throttled, even though I have a high end liquid cooling system. Not surprising. When I saw the voltage I was like 😳 anyway, I dropped the voltage a lot, around 1.2v and it still clocks to 5.7 on all the p cores, and a bios update which helped immensely, so that’s also a high priority. I can’t remember when or if I ever had to undervolt a cpu before in 20 years.

[@sxzoR11]

Hey mate, did you undervolt in BIOS or with XTU? We have the same mb and cpu. My temps are perma 100c when on full load.

[@chincemagnet]

@@sxzoR11 I would also recommend turning off MCE (multi core enhancement) and other over clocking setting until you get it to stop thermal throttling, run it at stock, set it to fixed voltage, turn off XTU for the RAM, just until you can get it to stop thermal throttling, also set load line to a mediumish setting, then once you know everything is going to work correctly, then start tweaking.

[@chincemagnet]

@@sxzoR11 another thing that just occurred to me is I’m using the Thermalright contact frame for 13th gen, that’s supposed to help quite a bit with temps and it’s cheap by comparison if you paid for this board and cpu combo, it’s on Amazon and some other stores. I never tested without it, so I don’t have numbers, but there are videos that show a comparison of stock vs the contract frame

[@thegooseisloose03]

This video is so hilariously perfectly timed. I caught a deal on a 13900k. Amazon had it priced at 409$ this morning so i bought it, and was planning to undervolt it haha. Thanks so much for informative content like this!

[@trueNahobino]

Has the cpu arrived yet? It looked like a scam to me.

[@rujularora6505]

Good luck with your phone screen guard!

[@thegooseisloose03]

@@trueNahobino shipped and sold by Amazon, and the product has several reviews, and zero description changes. Seems to be legit, they keep manually changing the price back, so I think it’s a pricing error that myself and several others took advantage of!

[@Neviils]

Wow lucky. Im a Best Buy employee and our cost is still like 580. Also got a 39626 in Cinebench R23

[@thegooseisloose03]

@@rujularora6505 shipped and sold by Amazon, and the product has several reviews, and zero description changes. Seems to be legit, they keep manually changing the price back, so I think it’s a pricing error that myself and several others took advantage of!

[@Need4FPS]

If you wanna play it safe, just leave everything stock / auto when it comes to frequency .. just apply small offset to voltage and change LLC to something like normal behaviour. The boost that you will get in regards to FPS with newer gen of CPUs especially if you re playing on higher resolution is completely irrelevant. Did some testing with bit older hardware, and with MID OC of CPU and GPU in majority of the games was like between 2-4 FPS difference on 4k resolution. Would say, waste of time. (But small offset gets you lower temps, and just leave the frequency be)

[@Bandana_Assault]

XTU does not work for B660 chipsets as it pertains to undervolting within XTU due to plundervolt. Intel has yet to update to allow us to undervolt under these chipsets. You can make any changes within Throttlestop and it will ignore any of the changes due to the same reason. I had to underclock to get my thermals under control (a previous video Jay did :) until something changes)

[@johngregorio1209]

I also would like some help undervolting the 9750 in my Alienware m15 r1 since plundervolt. Jay, please help. My laptop isn't that old and deserves to run cooler!

[@Bandana_Assault]

@@johngregorio1209 you probably need to do what I did and underclock it.

[@_khayjeet_]

As i don't want exhausted hot air from a 95°C hot 7700X, i simply set the max temperarure to 60°C in the BIOS. That might cost me around 15% performance, but i *gladly* take that drop if that means an insane 35 degrees drop in temperature.

[@davidg5898]

Great advice. I've got my intel 13700k undervolted by 0.150V and it runs great (no OC applied). Temps very much under control, power draw fairly reasonable, and rock stable. Now I need to work on undervolting my video card.

[@jessekillsu6083]

Using this video I was able to undervolt my i7-13700KF with a -.65v offset, and pl1 125w pl2 253w and get great temps in my mini itx fractal terra build. I had no idea these ran so hot when building this PC, and if I did I may have went another route, but now I'm seeing about 45°C at idle and 75°C while under load. Not bad for a Noctua NH-L12 Ghost!

[@deepak_nigwal]

i use 14700K, with all default settings, no overclock and undervolt yet, no xmp profile, my idle temps hover around 35-37°C... but with load, the max tdp goes 248-255watts. during test, it obviously throttles at 100% load, but cooler manages to keep it under 98°C. I wonder, should i put power limit to 190watts or not. In my use case, i use all cores to the limit, without overclocking (although ai autotuner mix match settings for max performance itself). my point is, if cooler manages temperatures at 248watts tdp, is it going to keep it under 80°C if i lower it down to 190watts from bios??? in your case, can you tell me if cpu consumes more power than this new limited wattage? or it still overshoots?

[@Vik00300]

Just a few days ago I found one setting that fixes everything. So I have a z390 board from Msi with an i9 9900k. So basically my cpu always hits 100c on all core in cinebench r23 with about 220-260 watts (score ≈10k). Voltage was at 1,46. Now I found out that there is a setting wich was called CPU lite load standard was mode 11, tested the modes and found out that mode 4 runs perfectly stable now with voltage at 1,25 and temps are around high 70s and low 80s in cinebench at 170 watts which results in a score of about 13k.

[@vMaxHeadroom]

Totally agree as I found that setting recently as well. On my MSI Z790 and 13700K overclocked, I was hitting a 100 degrees in Cinebench R23 multicore test, with the lite load setting dropped to mode 5 the temps are great now and in the mid 80's especially for a nice all core 5.4GHz overclock on a 13700K with a max under load voltage at 1.264v and pullling 239w in CBr23....had to search the OC forums but what a great setting to have...

[@Vik00300]

@@vMaxHeadroom nice improvements. I’m glade that this function still remains in the newer board definitely makes upgrade and optimization easier. I still don’t think it’s the right way to fix the stability problem, either intel or the motherboard manufacturer should implement a fix. Why doesn’t intel calibrate all the chips in the testing phase so that they work how they intended, I think they should be able to save some kind of personalized voltage curve on to the cpu. And the other solution would be, some kind of first boot/configuration setup in the bios where the first thing should be optimizing the voltage, for the user

[@haies09]

Mine was defaulted to mode 9, on the Z690.

[@jirakj]

I have been waiting for this video since you first talked about studying this!

[@TechnessCorner]

YIKES! ) 0:34 I would have taught the viewer the benefit of BIOS overclocking versus invasive software that either has a profile initiated upon OS boot or can actually have permission to alter anything further in on the BIOS level. I mean I'm not trying to hate on Intel here, it's a great application to perhaps initial vet and bin a chip in a user-friendly environment BUT once done so go for and learn the ins and out of your own BIOSes where these overlocks should really be altered and applied, especially for a "real" all day and reliable overclock regardless of an under-volt or reaching for the stars... Peace!

[@OCONTECH]

I agree, well-placed and rounded comment.

[@booniversegaming]

Now I just need to learn every single term you just used. Nice

[@GySgt_USMC_Ret.]

Thanks for this video, Jay! I received my i9-13900k today and look forward to optimizing. Fair winds and following seas to all.

[@DarkP1]

non K CPUs are easy to cool and perform in gaming as good as K version, it's not worth the extra power and heat for those extra FPS

[@GySgt_USMC_Ret.]

​@DarkP1 Thanks! My bad. I failed to add the "k". It's an i9-13900k. My goal is to find the best stable undervolt for both the CPU and my 4090. Best to all.

[@RngmonsterX]

@@DarkP1 And you are who to tell anyone what is worth and whats not?!

[@blackmetalchemist]

I agree with those below asking about AMD 5000 series. Ive tried to look for info on it elsewhere (other videos/forums) and hardly any of it is straightforward and layed out in a simple to follow format the average person could understand (not to knock down any IQ points i may have, but everything ive read seems like its written by OC enthusiasts who dont take lamens into consideration)

[@Sam-hj8hy]

Thanks Jay. Your timing was perfect for this video. My step dad was been wanting to build and computer and has been wanting to build in a small form factor case. I was just mentioning to him the importance of undervolting the 13th gen since he wants to go intel.

[@jsebturcotte]

He's spying on us 😱

[@STAG162]

This vid was so perfectly timed!! Oh wait, I'm running an AMD Ryzen 7... Carry on.

[@s1gne]

Phil was having fun when he editted the last part 🤣

[@TheRHIM]

You know something?… I realized a Jays Two Cents video about something I don’t use is better then no Jays Two Cents video at all. Always something to learn!

[@georgewhite5794]

would you be able to do a full bios version of this video? would be really helpful for me and probably many others

[@workinprogress8978]

I love how lots of people say "80 degrees celcius is fine" and "Your CPU/GPU is designed to run that hot", as if constantly gaming at those temps won't have any negative effect on the longevity of your components at all. As much as it depends on me, I want to have my gaming temps no higher than 65-70 degrees, preferably even lower at 60 degrees max. That should ensure that your most expensive components last as long as they can. To be fair, I get that that isn't always possible, especially with compact builds, or when gaming at higher resolutions/framerates than 1080p/60Hz. That's also the reason I choose not to game higher than that. That's just personal preference though.

[@VeggyZ]

I am going to have to try this once I'm feeling a little more motivated. I just completed my i9 13900K build and I freaking love it - and surprisingly, my Corsair H170i AIO seems to be keeping it pretty damn cool during normal gaming - I have not run something like cinebench though, at least not yet - I would rather have my ...planned cooling setups complete before I even let a program like that touch my chip and fry some eggs on it, haha... it scares the piss out of me... to be completely honest. I get it - this stuff is designed to run hot. I've understood that about certain brands and products for years and years, but it does not alleviate my uh... trepidation? Yeah, not really. I don't even TEST with benchmarks until I've got overkill solutions or just plain perfect airflow through the case in addition.

[@scottyc3215]

The thermal throttle should save you from damage in most cases. That being said, I'm currently trying to get the 13900k to run at any sort of reasonable temperature and losing. Even with a good AIO, and a steep undervolt, it's still hitting the 100C thermal throttle after a few rounds of Cinebench.

[@scottyc3215]

Alright, I think I'm done for now. P-core and E-Core ratios left the same, at 55x and 43x, respectively. I got the Core Voltage Offset down to -0.085V without any crashes, and just stopped there. That brought the peak temps down to max 90C, which is good enough. I might've been able to bring it down farther, but didn't see the point. Additionally, it should be noted that one of the biggest factors here was actually removing the front and top panels from the case for better airflow. If you haven't tried it, do so. Especially if your AIO is set to exhaust out the top, the heat can just sit on the outside of the rad, heating things up more than you'd think.

[@catpsyche]

@@scottyc3215 With so many variables it's important to note and remember, IF you're a freeze baby and like your home warm and cozy your PC will fry along with you! The cooler you keep your ambient home or PC area overall the cooler and lower your PC temps will be in general.

[@scottyc3215]

@@catpsyche This is true. I generally like it cooler in my game room, but the ambient temps do tend to climb the longer I play. Having air conditioning certainly helps if that's available.

[@ChrisDaytrader]

Did you change voltage in xtu or in bios, i would like to do it in bios myself, as i heard alot that xtu dont always save the settings after a reboot.@@scottyc3215

[@g.waits4gainz205]

cheeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeers!!!!! this is DEFFINITLY what i need to know as i decide if im gonna go am4 or am5 cause ive nenver done any adjustments outside of oem boost clocks so i know for sure even the 3xd series will want a nice little undervolt so im super excited to have a second rig for the first time ever to REALLY dig into it and try to be fancy

[@RohanVBB]

Already 3 people are “first” I would just like to ask fellow comment section readers what is the addiction to being first in the comments

[@huzaifavawda8383]

All those Firsts are the First ones not to watch a video

[@stephenkelly8312]

Monkey brain like being first.

[@ralphmcmahan2139]

First

[@srirachasauce8430]

They have nothing better to do.

[@3LBane1974]

Up to 5 first now lol. No idea why they do it.

[@mrfilipelaureanoaguiar]

I like when fans are tuned to sound like a racing car, with ramp between 600-800rpm to 1850-2200 at different levels of temps is nice while playing.

[@shyamlok]

I used to be a static voltage guy, but I prefer undervolting just like you do, for the same reasons you stated. the problem with a static voltage is evident in instability while rendering a video footage on h.265 or exporting high ASIO time workloads.

[@iikatinggangsengii2471]

it only work for my case, think anything else will suffer from perf decrease, undervolt is fine, underclock not recommended

[@xitywampas]

The end almost made me choke. Your actually almost killed me. Keep it up.

[@laxbum321]

Would love to see Jay tackle this same sort of thing with Zen Master for AMD

[@mrufo2297]

I just literally installed XTU 3 days ago and started messing around. Great timing Jay.

[@FearInSilence.]

Hey everyone , I have watched 50+ videos re arranging bios settings and tried many softwares but nothing worked for the past 3 weeks as i person who has received a new pc i was worried but after wasting my time on all of these videos , I went to my guy who build my pc and he changed the orientation of my cpu cooler fan. My cpu on idle ( 60°C ) and under load ( 100°C ) went to 25°C on idle and 60°C under load . Hope this helped ❤❤❤❤

[@michubern1444]

lol haha

[@cool_cat007smoove3]

Great video segment. Turn off the turbo boost OC and set the cores to Auto in the bios. Then you are done.

[@alyluvsdinos]

@JayzTwoCents How did you get around the 'Watchdog' error that intel XTU has been having, I noticed in the video you also werent able to enable the feature to load changes on reboot in the settings menu, its greyed out. When this happened to me I did some research and apparently alot of others (as in everyone with a 12th and 13th gen) are having this issue, were you able to find a way around??

[@robertcras8151]

did you have a solution for this? You have a yellow lighting ass well next to core voltage offset?

[@alyluvsdinos]

@@robertcras8151 regrettably still no work around tbh I stopped trying because nothing is tried worked. Ended up doing the research and modding from the BIOS 🤙

[@Hako_exe]

when you see the PFP change - Looks great btw!

[@Trifeln1]

Impeccable timing for this video, as if sent from the internet gods themselves. Thank you Jay!

[@maximusmedia76]

That ending, Phil! Love it!

[@HexerPsy]

I thought XTU also allowed you to set max speed limits for individual cores to keep the weaker cores from going too fast... There is probably a whole other space to search if you go down to the individual level.

[@Spiralem]

Yeah, you can perform per core ratio tuning in XTU.

[@HexerPsy]

@@Spiralem I am currently on a Ryzen CPU - and my most recent intel CPU doesnt allow that feature. How do you determine which core has crashed on the intel platform?

[@Spiralem]

@@HexerPsy Sorry, not familiar with AMD side of things.

[@HexerPsy]

@@Spiralem I am not asking about AMD's side --- How do you determine on the intel platform which of your CPU cores crashed, if you want to do per core tuning?

[@trueNahobino]

Your new logo looks pretty nice!

[@darknessblades]

I undervolted my powercolor red devil RX7900XT. with around 15% it uses 150-200W less power total. and has barely a decrease of 5% in performance

[@adridell]

That sounds like some major b*llsh*t, 200 watts reduction not even in your dreams unless comparing to an overclocking where the processor is highly inefficient, even then I'd be skeptical of a 200 watts gain, but compared to stock power settings no way.

[@levigoldson4242]

Yes, I get very similar results in the undervolting the 13900k. Both companies seem to be making dumb performance decisions out of the box to win the benchmarks.

[@RetroPlays1]

I have a 12700kf with a 240mm AIO when it was in a case that had horrible air flow my cpu running cyberpunk went up to 91c or higher. Had to take of the side panel and it immediately dropped to 70c. So I just got the O11 Mini Airflow with all new case fans and Liquid Metal on the Cpu and water block. My cpu temps are now 50c or lower and I’m blown away how much the Liquid Metal has helped the temps and the better case and fans as well

[@DragonBane299]

Hey Jay Back In January, I was able to undervolt my 13900k, but apparently an update somewhere between then and now lead to XTU showing an "Undervolt Protection is enabled and will prevent voltage from being set below the boot-time voltage" I tried disabling the undervolt protection in the BIOS, but that leads to XTU refusing to launch at all. The application still works fine, I am able to apply an overclock and add voltages, just not undervolt.

[@bradleypearson3078]

Mine has also done this I am using a Asus prime a board and no matter what I do I can't apply an undervolt in xtu

[@jgo7870]

me too, can't run xtu without enabling undervolt protection, but then can't undervolt in xtu, dum

[@H4xooR]

I saw a tip under a different video,that you may can go around this,with using older version of XTU,to "bypass" this undervolt protection. However,i only got 10700k,so it is working for me,since it is older gen.

[@bradleypearson3078]

@@H4xooR I will definitely give this a try

[@bradleypearson3078]

So I just redownloaded xtu and havent changed anything since I last used it and it works fine now, it just doesn't seem to work correctly for some reason so I still have to use my bios

[@thevoid7332]

"Restore tuning after reboot" is greyed out for me and it says watchdog is missing. This was working fine for me 9 months or so ago, but now that option is greyed out. All I could find was a thread that's been active for the last 7 months of people with asus boards having the same problem. But Jay uses an Asus board in this video, so wtf? Did Asus disable it somehow? Anyone else having this problem?

[@robholt8333]

There seems to be an issue with XTU watchdog feature on ASUS boards. Cannot find a fix for it anywhere.

[@Jcas93]

Is there a solution yet? I'm running into the same issue

[@6Gears4u]

@@Jcas93 hey me aswell. My vbs is now disabled but the manipulation through performance core ratio is grayed out. I only can manipulate the E-cores ? Could u give an adivse. I have a i7-14700k, windows 10 pro and a g.skill flare 6000mhz ram. My Motherboard is an asus b760-f...

[@robinvnz]

@@6Gears4u same mate, same

[@6Gears4u]

@@robinvnz it is not functioning for some types of motherboards. The Z-Series are comprible to overclocknor undervolt but not the b760-f. Only thing u could do is to jndervolt in bios…

[@wile-e-coyote7257]

Thanks Jay and crew!

[@PatTheBaker855]

I'm not sure why there's so much trouble cooling this chip. I have one paired with the ASUS rog strix 360mm aio, the chip is overclocked and I haven't seen the chip go over 65C playing modern titles max settings with a 4090. Starting certain games it reaches into the 70s but thats it.

[@ledoynier3694]

When you play it never goes to temperatures like Cinebench generates. If you go that route my 13900k caps around 80°C running cinebench, but never reaches 60 in game. Comparing apples and oranges.

[@PatTheBaker855]

@@ledoynier3694 Very true, I will have to try Cinebench for sure. I'm curious if mine will be around the same temps as yours!

[@1lubo1]

Haha, loved that outro! Thanks for this vid, I might make use of it one day, when I decide to tune my 12th gen i5.

[@omegakiller1495]

Can you do a video for AMD as well?

[@_sekr]

the end with only breathings is VERY funny i liked it, waiting for a 3 hours version

[@Ram21s]

I really appreciate this guide for Intel, could you do a similar for AMD? Since summer hit I've been wanting to update my overclock and I noticed that my AMD rig is pulling a ton of voltage when it doesn't need to be. You guys rock!

[@Njazmo]

No, you don't overclock AMD. Just undervolt it, and let it do the boost thing on its own. The cooler you get, you'll see better results.

[@dmagulado]

Can you do a video about DDR5? Why there's no 4 kits, why it's not recommended, and why it throttles down based on CPU specs.

[@wiseanime2875]

no 4 kits because its not officially supported out of the box, its not guarenteed, most people are unable to run 4xddr5 with oc ram

[@tylertincher]

Can you do this video on AMD? I have a 5900X, I tried using the AMD Ryzen Master curve optimizer and its causing crashes in game, but helps bring score up and temps down in cinebench.

[@PyromancerRift]

I have a ryzen 7600. I have it boosting as good as a 7600x and using less power. Secret sauce is to make ryzen master calibrate the per core curve optimizer with pbo and +150 or +200 mhz offset (+150 will use way less power and less heat for single core boost). Write down each curve optimized results. Go to the bios, enter the curve optimized in PBO and enter the stock watt usage in PPT. Go cinebech and see if score is better than stock. Go to the bios and lower PPT by 10. Go benchmark etc untill temps and score are satisfying. My 7600 is stuck at 70w with -30 to the curve. It score 15 000 in CBR23. I'm at peak summer and temp in the room are at 30c. The CPU go up to 80c. In winter i think it will be at 60 to 65. I have done it to my GPU too. It is an AIB 7900xtx. But it runs at 320w without performance penalty instead of 375. I lowered the power target by 8%, capped max frequency to 2600, put voltage to 1010mv, OC vram to 2700 and activate fast timings. Most if the time i also use radeon chill with a 60fps cap. Freesync keep it smooth. If i play an FPS, i cap at 90 or 120. The hotspot stays around 80c at low RPM when uncapped. I have benchmarked on the cyberpunk benchmark at 4k to make sure performance is around the same. I think the Vram OC is a big deal and it compensate the loss of frequency at a lower power cost. It may not work as well under 4k.

[@timmycraft4332]

Unrelated to bios overclock, anyone notice XTU options just doesn't work anymore? :) Both on my new PC and legion laptop, where it was working a while ago, no bios updates at all, just greyed out now. Even older XTU versions.

[@ipann6693]

Working fine for me

[@dianaalyssa8726]

OMG, TY for this. Wanted to get more into undervolting my Intel CPU(s).

[@-offline]

Hey Jay, I just got a 5800X and it just shoots to 85C under any load and stays there. It would be extremely helpful if you make one of these videos for AMD as well as I'm dealing with an AMD processor for the very first time in my life. :)

[@whit3.mk6]

What are your specs? Usually mine lands around 60 to 65c underload so there might be a problem with cooling or not enough cooling also might be worth it to check fans and tune your cpu fan

[@bafon]

Download Ryzen Master, hit curve optimizer, take a coffee while the computah does its thingy, when its done you can enable PBO, then offset the hz by +200Mhz.That's pretty much it for AMD, it's just a toggle and the rest is automatic. You may want to go into BIOS and tick off "let motherboard limit power" if you have that option, but it is not a big deal in my opinion performance wise. But for your temps under any load, I would have done a remounting of the cooler, make sure that you have not left any plastic between the cooler and cpu, is the amount of thermal paste enough, does it make proper contact with the cooler and cpu? Are you using the correct mounts for the cooler? Did you screw down the cooler following a star pattern and only just a few turns on each screw repeated until the cooler had enough pressure? Too much pressure may also cause high temps.

[@-offline]

@@bafon damn bud i really need a friend like you in my life The last PC i had was a i7-3770 with a Rx 570, and i lost in it house fire in 2021. Ive been saving every penny since then and I finally got a R7-5800X. Still using the good ol Rx570 that i got from a friend as a gift. So yes very new to these modern components and i do overwhelmed by like a bajillion options in the BIOS that i do not understand. ill do exactly what you told me and see if that helps it

[@Jiltix]

@@-offlinedid his suggestions work?

[@-offline]

it did help a lot, i have stable and reasonsable temps most of the times, it still goes really high sometimes bcs i live in a warm country, play with no ac, and my computer is in the corner of the room so theres that@@Jiltix

[@Alberos]

I just build the new system with 13700K two weeks ago..... and this thing run HOT. It went straight up to 97C after a couple sec of Cinebench R23 with a 360 AIO, not the EK AIO, would like to get it but they don't have stock :(. I plan to do undervolting from the start so perfect timing video that you updating this topic. Now to see if I win the lottery or not.

[@antonstanchev]

Hey man, i have a 13700K paired with a Galahad 360 AIO and I would like to know what stable settings did you manage to get with XTU, thx

[@Alberos]

@@antonstanchev I'm running -0.015v offset, couldn't go lower, stability issue on non-cinebench task. I have it hard set in the BIOS since XTU keep resetting itself. Didn't change any multiplier. Now running at 90-94C on the hottest (Cinebench) at 1.25v ish , 235W. All the BIOS optimize still on. Keep in mind I'm in a place where 30C ambient temp is "cool early morning" and can get up to 35C.

[@adensenpai8547]

Please do one with the i9 13900k

[@ChrisDaytrader]

Want this as well.

[@T.Lspitz]

For those of you interested in this type of pc build, this is essentially just a workstation version of an x299 platform pc. I believe Intels last generation of HEDT's. Or the last noteworthy intel platform imo. For an ultra budget but still capable build you can go back a generation to the x99 platform for a cheap price if you're willing to use a refurbished workstation as your starting platform like done in this video. I have an x99 build and just recently bought a 12 core 24 thread cpu that runs at 3.0-3.5ghz for less than $60, which originally cost over $2,000 about 6 years ago lol. And yes, they can game very well still just no pcie gen4 though. Only gen3 but not to big of a deal for a budget gaming build imo.

[@thefridge007]

Great a video JayZ. Unfortunately when I was trying to undervolt, XTU didn't let me because there wasn't a watchdog feature enabled. Does this mean I can't undervolt? Or is there any other software that I can use then? I'm running an ASUS M Hero Z790 with i9-13900k. Can someone help? Thanks.

[@PughsReview]

Just built my PC this is exactly what I was looking for appreciate it

[@seannyandme]

There is also a 90 degrees cap in the latest BIOS update. It's working wonders for my 13900k, very rarely going over 90 while AAA gaming...

[@wiseanime2875]

for which mobas?

[@seannyandme]

@@wiseanime2875 In my case, the Z790. But I think other models also have this feature.

[@Liq38]

damn, is 13900k really that hot just in gaming? I'm barely kissing 70 on a 13700k, z790 and NZXT 280mm AIO. I did play around with XTU with just a -.050 offset and temps went low 60s. All this in AAA gaming.

[@seannyandme]

@@Liq38 Yes - I am hitting 90, AAA gaming at 4k, with ultra settings. And before I set the 90 limit, I saw way over 100 while gaming. I haven't done any BIOS voltage offset because when I tried this it wouldn't boot and had to reset everything.

[@DomsYouTube]

I’m procrastinating my sleep long enough watching your videos that you have time to upload another one to watch

[@VICGamingg]

Jay can you do one for AMD ryzen 5000 series

[@griffinstirts]

LOL that ending was pure gold xD... *_↓ Give Phil a raise by this much ;)_*

[@BalberithThePenguin]

1 : Don't turn on the power. 2 : CPU is undervolted.

[@ticy0001]

loved the TLDR at the end ❤

[@Flakwell]

the best way to undervolt any intel cpu is simple. go amd. :) team red ftw

[@ABaumstumpf]

Sure - blown up AMD CPUs consume less power :P

[@MyNameIsTimIThink]

Ive been undervolting for years thanks to jays old videos

[@Immortalbob]

super sweet guide, building a rig with a 13900k right now, this will be useful!!

[@parkersgarage4216]

try to voltage lock it also. thats how i run mine w highly oc'd ram. set vcore to 1.25 or 1.26. youll get a steady 5.5ghz all day and icy cool temps. i might try this way as well to see if theres a difference but im pretty happy w mine the way it is now so. i game at 240hz + as well.

[@CeceliPS3]

I'm gonna wait for you to finally make a Ultimate Guide on this because everytime you make a video about this, it just confuses us noobs further.

[@Jamrocks2899]

glad to see jay get some good breathing techniques in at the end of the episode

[@portman8909]

This is the benefit of living in a colder climate, even during the summer my computer never overheats.

[@jeeroylenkins3081]

Either that or have air conditioning lol

[@ShadowDoggie]

i was a bit surprised you didn't change hwmonitor to dark mode aswell by going to view -> Dark Theme :D nevertheless tyvm for the video!

[@erictayet]

Here listening to you explaining about Intel XTU and remembering my Per-core Curve optimiser for my Ryzen 5900X in the Ryzen Master app. That process took hours. Yup, it's an iterative process!

[@Dtr146]

I honestly think that these motherboards are not helping much either. My AMD CPU runs a little too hot. But I noticed my board is running a higher voltage than what AMD calls at stock. If anybody wants their computer to function as long and prosperous as possible. I believe everybody should undervolt. And I'm only talking to the people who watch channels like this. Because you would at least have an inkling of knowledge on how to undervolt

[@XaRcaNecKX]

hi, how i can make my changes default everytime I restar my pc, because the xtu doesnt let me, it says that I dont have watchdog

[@p_sn00ter]

Thank you for changing the thumbnail and title of this video after I commented. I removed my previous comment as well as made another change you'll see.

[@RavTokomi]

I dropped my 12900K to a curve between 1.31v single core 5.5Ghz and 1.24V all core 5.2Ghz and it cut down full load 75+W on top of getting an OC. Gaming wattage is usually only in the 30-60W range. The defaults voltages are too high to begin with, but then it is absolutely insane to see mobo makers pushing 1.4V+ through auto settings.

[@club4ghz]

13600K 5.5 x 4.3 x 4.9 ghz all core and cache at 1.25v 50-60 c gaming with 240 AIO RTX 4080 pushing 200+ Fps at 1440p here.

[@MotorsportMonkey]

Thankyou jay, my 13900k still hits 100 degrees but I can hold higher clock speeds for much longer now. Schweeeee

[@simonbelmont0993]

So I bought a prebuilt from Best Buy. It's got an i7-13700kf, 32gb ram, and Nvidia 4070 ti on an ASROCK z690. It came with an AIO (not sure of the brand Cyberpower uses). Anyway, this thing runs _damn_ hot. According to HWMonitor I'm peaking at 99c during most high end gaming sessions (Baldur's Gate 3 and Diablo 4 recently) with an idle temp of around 55-60c. I'm going to try the methods in this video and see if they help.

[@lordsofgaming2930]

much appreciated vid. My 13900k was hitting Mid 90s temps and I was going to invest in a WaterCool Loop to see if that would help. Now I know I just need to undervolt

[@johnscaramis2515]

First simple way to avoid unnecessary high temps: don't trust the mainboard manufacturer. Since more than 10 years, many manufacturers don't even give you stock parameters in standard settings, but the "stock" settings already include "improvements". And as soon as you change certain settings to automatic, things really go down the drain. In German there's a nice word for it that has no direct substitute in English "verschlimmbessern", trying to improve things and making them worse in the process. That's exactly what MB manufacturers are doing since many years. And that culminated lately in burnt Ryzen 7x003D CPUs.