Does the Bible Actually Describe the Earth as FLAT?

The flat-earth theory has been growing quite a bit in recent years, but what does the Bible have to say about it? In this presentation, Dr. Danny Faulkner reveals the truth about the shape of the earth according to science and God’s Word.
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[@trasenagleeson5422]

Once you go flat you never go back

[@someone-ke4qj]

Id prefer a couple big globes 🌎🌍

[@RaptureReadyMamaBear]

To keep you in slumber with the tic tok of the marbles …

[@WildberryAB]

You never, ever go back. Check it out, people.

[@ShuwshanEmeq-xb3mk]

Once you see too far, the illusion is over! I live on the Grand Strand! All it took was binoculars!

[@paulcurran4786]

Yeah, u go forward in the knowledge that it's not a globe but it's also not a FE, both have more holes than a bums cardigan! Luckily FE isn't the only alternative to the globe ✌

[@Claire-.-]

The heavens declare the glory of God; and the firmament sheweth his handywork. Psalm 19:1

[@Farmer4Truth]

Amen!

[@mickjames7962]

Exactly and handiwork means construction which is distinct and unique from his creation of nature. It’s not the ozone folks it’s the ceiling they can’t beak or get through. Evil is under quarantine.

[@paulcurran4786]

And only a FE with a dome over it can include a firmament, right?

[@cryptojihadi265]

Which is the HEAVENS. Genesis literally says, God called the "firmament" HEAVEN! So, NO, it's not a HARD dome. Firmament is a word created specifically for that verse. Since it has ZERO definition outside of scripture, we are forced to rely on God's WORD to define it; and right in the VERY first chapter of the Bible, He does define it as HEAVEN. What's interesting is that heavens are almost infinitely vast, with Galaxies Sextillions of miles apart from each other. Nebula TRILLIONS of miles across and Quintillions of miles away from us, yet you FLERFS want to reduce that incomprehensible glorious creation into nothing more than a snow globe with a 24000-mile base. Now WHO do you think would be the one behind stealing Glory from God and trying to make Christians look like delusional fools?

[@Farmer4Truth]

@@paulcurran4786 Right, like a snow globe with a foundation 🙃

[@TheMdames]

Once you see, you can not unsee the truth.

[@mumbles215]

When Dorothy looked behind the curtain, she too could Never unsee.

[@TheMdames]

@mumbles215 And she saw was a fraud he was!

[@paulcurran4786]

But u can be led to believe yet another lie.....and be blind to its overwhelming faults!

[@TheMdames]

@@paulcurran4786 to much is given much is expected.

[@paulcurran4786]

@@TheMdames ok....

[@kennethhiggins5508]

Heliocentrisism is not biblical cosmology.

[@PanhandleFrank]

The word “cosmology” isn’t in the Bible.

[@CanaldoFakeflip]

Exactly. Heliocentrism is a distraction

[@msquiggle3590]

Almost like the Bible gets a lot of stuff wrong

[@JesusSaves86AB]

​@@msquiggle3590Not thr KJV

[@msquiggle3590]

@@JesusSaves86AB Oh you mean how it says that dinosaurs lived with people or that people lived to be 900 years old or that death didn't exist before someone ate a fruit or that there was a global flood that wiped out everything on earth sans a boat full of animals?

[@Homesteader1776]

What kind of king makes Himself nothing for His people? The Mighty One. What kind of king allows Himself to be humiliated and beaten for His people until He is unrecognizable and is still able to hold His head high? The Merciful One. What kind of king allows Himself to be hung on a cross for His people? The Righteous One. And because He has done this for us, I will make my life a living sacrifice unto Him. His name is above all other names His name is Jesus.

[@John-kj5wh]

Thats what matters. Even when i disagree with Flatters we usually can come to terms on that there

[@HellNoMoreBiden]

​@@John-kj5whDo flatters believe in God? I ran into a guy in his late forties that was convinced the Earth is flat and he was trying to explain that to me, but he had no time lol

[@mehallica666]

@@HellNoMoreBiden 95% of flat Earthers are deeply religious creationists!

[@johnqpublic7608]

@@mehallica666 _"95% of flat Earthers are deeply religious creationists!"_ the fist time i read that i read "cretins". i guess it still fits.

[@donaldrodriguez8134]

@@HellNoMoreBiden so all the Cathedrals around the world 🗺️ were built with Horses and Wagons To ? 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

[@lequanshockley3585]

What people don’t understand is that it’s not a floating disc in space. Space only exists in the globe theory.

[@Farmer4Truth]

Yes, they are arguing against something most people don’t believe.

[@greenblood6186]

"Theory". Lol.

[@djcraigg69]

Yet there's literally people on the ISS right now. 🤦‍♂️

[@mumbles215]

Everything is “theory” that’s what the scientific method is. Question all

[@revelari5250]

@@mumbles215no there’s theories and there’s theories that’s been proven over time and turn into as facts. if theory didn’t turn into facts you wouldn’t have a cell phone, computer, or a laptop.

[@stevekelton2937]

The word ball is in the Bible. I believe God knows the difference between a ball and a circle. He also says the earth is immovable, and i believe God's Word over man.

[@paulcurran4786]

Craic Jack 😄✌

[@JosiahK555]

It says we can't move the earth. Doesn't say the earth doesn't move. Even if it did. We know it moves. It's measurable. Observable. And no fe theory actually holds up under scrutiny.

[@Cienciasbiblicas9536]

Esfera en hebreo es Kadur כדור

[@logicianbones]

And it says David was immoveable, and that an army surrounded a camp in the shape of a "ball" (duwr/dur). I like to believe the entirety of God's Word, not cherrypicked reinterpretations.

[@SamuelQuaye-zs4uc]

Thank you

[@carolinedelia1096]

Circle is not a ball or sphere. The plate that I eat off is a circle but isn’t a sphere

[@ednja]

I thank God that I never had to be a member of the Flat Earth Cult.

[@peterdeans4635]

Look at a full moon, it is a circle against the darkness of the night sky, it is also a sphere. I always ask flat earthers why did they only consider this new think five or six years ago after knowing it was a globe all your life before that.✌️😊

[@carolinedelia1096]

No I considered this my whole life. I ask my mother when I was young if it was ok not to agree with my teachers theories. I prayed to Jesus and I gave him the problem of getting me into a good college. I didn’t know how he’d do it. I went out for track with a friend not my idea. Even though it never really liked running I hardly lost a race. Jesus not only got me into many prestigious colleges but he got me a full ride. God is great.. Trust me we have been lied to and I’m not hurt if you think I’m dumb I’m used to it. Jesus is coming soon and I can’t wait to know the truth. God Bless you Brother

[@jimthomas1989]

​@@carolinedelia1096 , Proverbs 8 : 27 When ( HE) Created/Prepared/Established the Heavens , I WAS THERE ! When ( HE) set a Compass/ Circle upon the Face of the depth/ deep Jesus just said that he was there when his Father who is God Almighty created the Heavens and that the Face or Top of water has a Circle or Compass of the depth or deep Jesus just said that water bends around the EARTH ! And Jesus should know because he was there when God Almighty Created the Heavens and the Earth !

[@jimthomas1989]

​@@carolinedelia1096 , God's name is YHWH and it's pronounced Yahweh in Hebrew and translated into English language is at Exodus 6 :3 and Psalms 83 :18 God's Son's name is Yeshua and translated into English language is Jesus Jesus is the SON of God Almighty Mark 1 : 1 Again Jesus is the SON of God Almighty Colossians 1 : 3

[@stevenundzid4765]

What amazes me is that someone says they are christian and will believe NASA before the man that walked with God

[@flight2k5]

Who walked with God and claims it’s flat?

[@stevenundzid4765]

@@flight2k5 Enoch walked with God and his teachings don't line up with NASA. NASA says we went to the moon do you believe that?

[@CalebPaulk]

​@stevenundzid4765 Given that there are photos and videos (one of which can not be faked) of people on the moon.

[@stevenundzid4765]

@@CalebPaulk Well if you believe we went that's what you believe. But don't you find it odd we cant go back and they lost all the technology

[@someone-ke4qj]

That being said we don't even know if the book of Enoch is the same one, it could've been made in Alexandria or who knows. It's not in the bible for a reason and all the apocrypha is highly dubious to me as well. Does not feel the same.

[@TAHbKA1980]

How about this? “can you, with him, spread out the sky, hard as a cast metal mirror?” ‭‭Iyov (Job)‬ ‭37‬:‭18‬ How about the waters above the firmament? Where are they and what’s holding them ? Where did the flood waters go? The firmament is a firm construction. Why do we need explanations for things? Just like Greeks did in the times of Christ and apostles. How about you just believe the Bible 🤷‍♀️

[@farfiman]

"Cast metal mirror" just mean clear skies. The were no mirrors like we have today. Most were polished metal.

[@lalaboards]

If Wikipedia has to put up their declaimer ,tells you all you need to know .

[@tjjones621]

or, it could be so stoopid it's deadly...

[@lalaboards]

@@tjjones621 Yeah and believing men can get pregnant in the medical industry is perfectly safe .

[@tjjones621]

@@lalaboards even that is less silly than believing Earth is flat...

[@tjjones621]

@@lalaboards "believing men can get pregnant in the medical industry" no legit doctor believes a man can get pregnant.. not sure what you are trying to say tho..

[@lalaboards]

@@tjjones621 Maybe you should learn the Difference between Alchemy and the scientific method .

[@IAMhassentyou]

“Your word, LORD, is eternal; it stands firm in the heavens” (Psalm 119:89). “The grass withers and the flowers fall, but the word of our God endures forever” (Isaiah 40:8). “I the Lord do not change” (Malachi 3:6). “Heaven and earth will pass away, but my words will never pass away” (Matthew 24:35).

[@christiroseify]

And not one single one of those scriptures addresses the shape of the earth... But good try

[@lulamiledumisa432]

​@@christiroseify Over 100 verses describe the shape of the Earth, Genesis 1 and Revelation 20 make it explicitly clear that the Earth is a stationary plain enclosed by a dome that holds water above.

[@christiroseify]

@@lulamiledumisa432 You apparently lost track of who is saying what in this thread if you thought you needed to tell me this. Maybe go back through and re-read. I am the one arguing that the Bible says nothing about the earth being a sphere.

[@phantom96aggie00]

​@@lulamiledumisa432 no, it does not. But good try.

[@fakechecknumber1198]

Personally, taking the way you are. God is awesome and his son died for us. So that we will not have to die. I mean, it's really awesome that we are here in this time. Because when the sacrifice is being held in Israel. The third temple will be built and then yeah.

[@whompittoya]

So what I watched is a “preacher” explaining Gods creation using everything BUT the Word of God. Interesting.

[@logicianbones]

Where did he call himself a preacher? He's a scientist.

[@vld7850]

EXACTLY!

[@keeptrying2understand62]

Exactly. I thought that was very weird too.

[@annep.1905]

@@keeptrying2understand62 That's because this is taken from a much longer video in which he does quote the Bible as well. It's also to draw viewers, which is not the best policy, but then Christians are not always using the best policy when it comes to attempting to draw viewers.

[@jasonnordin]

He’s using science to support the *proper* comprehension of God’s Word to *primarily* address “professing Christians” who have taken God’s Word *out of context* to have a *false* comprehension of God’s Word

[@johnelder9875]

Everyone is so busy arguing about flat earth that they aren't even focusing on their relationship with Jesus and spreading the gospel to the lost

[@blueskyfanclub]

Why do you think atheists exist? Because they’ve brought in evolution, big bang, infinite universe science fiction…all brought in on the Trojan Horse called the Heliocentric Solar System. A godless system, and you refuse to acknowledge God’s true creation. Psalms 19:1

[@BillAccardi]

First of all there is No argument. 2nd... you can't multitask?

[@1GODISNOWHERE1]

Precisely! That's why I believe most of the people pushing flat earth are doing it to sell content and merchandise via UTube. Grifters, making a living off of gullible people that want to be a part of something like a conspiracy. The Body of Christ needs to get busy spreading the Gospel through loving their neighbors as themselves.

[@macmac9371]

First of all the gospels of Jesus places righteous people on top of the firmament (sea of glass) rev 15:2. You have to know where to go and who calls you up during the time of revelation.

[@JoseGarcia-rt3fy]

The Globe has made atheist. The Flat Earth has led former atheist into believers in Christ.

[@lynettesmith6635]

So you are going to keep trying to debunk the Bible with human agendas? Not a good idea.

[@grant6173]

Agendas? Does the Bible mention McDonald's or Walmart. Do they exist? What about microwave ovens? What about you?

[@libertyresearch-iu4fy]

You believe your own human agenda, which is pretty stupid if you ask me.

[@itscommonsense3128]

DOESNT GOD SAY WE CANNOT MEASURE THE ENDS OF THE EARTH OR KNOW ITS DEPTH THEREOF ECT?

[@johnqpublic7608]

clearly the bible is not correct about everything.

[@Starbuckin]

@@johnqpublic7608 You're gonna find out one day that you don't have a clue and never did.

[@logicianbones]

Where? And who, Job, or all people in the future?

[@johnqpublic7608]

@@Starbuckin sorry child, but it's trivially easy to verify the spherical size and shape of the earth with nothing more than high school math. smart people figured it out more than two millennia ago. today it's kids level stuff. the only people that you can fool about the shape of the earth are the deluded dunces that fall for the flattardia hoax in the first place.

[@onlyupdoots7157]

Yes: Proverbs 25:3 KJV - The heaven for height, and the earth for depth, and the heart of kings is unsearchable.

[@Qriusme]

Just read Genesis 1 with a clean slate wanting to trust in Gods word as truth.

[@johnqpublic7608]

we can easily verify that the earth is a sphere. so reading any scripture is irrelevant.

[@logicianbones]

When we do, we see that it doesn't comment on the shape of the planet. And forbids some of the arguments Flat-Earthers use. (Example, requiring birds to be of the expanse in the same way fish are of the sea, so the expanse includes the atmosphere and can't be a depthless solid-surface sky.)

[@mustaffa1611]

Yes the earth is flat with a dome over it like Genesis says but also in Genesis the snake tells the truth and 'God' is the liar. 'God' said Adam and Eve would die is they ate from the tree and they didn't.

[@annep.1905]

@@mustaffa1611 Genesis does not say that the earth is flat with a dome.

[@mustaffa1611]

@@annep.1905 it mentions the dome that separates the waters from above and the waters from below.

[@firmbeliever3847]

Sun moon stars IN the firmament! How do you not understand that. Joshua told sun & moon to stand still NOT earth. Does God's footstool move? To believe the earth is a moving sphere is elementary.

[@logicianbones]

Firmament is a mistranslation. In the expanse wouldn't be a problem for us if space is included in expanse (I think it is, but "in" also might be like our modern "in the sky"). And in Einsteinian physics, which AiG accepts, everything is at rest in its own reference frame in a sense.

[@logicianbones]

For Joshua, would God need to demand that he speak in literal modern terms and from the sun's reference frame? Why? He's on the Earth. God didn't need to teach him cosmology to do what he prayed for, however he did. Also Glenn Miller has shown that more likely doesn't mean the length of daylight was longer than normal, but not shorter, which they thought it would be due to the storm (remember the hail?). Even if wrong, phenomenal language is normal in the Bible, so to argue based on that is circular reasoning. Like if we say it's raining cats and dogs, you run to the window and scream "WHERE?! I DON'T SEE NO CATS OR DOGS FALLING FROM THE SKY! I JUST SEE RAIN!"

[@johnqpublic7608]

probably because there is no such thing as the "firmament".

[@johnqpublic7608]

_"To believe the earth is a moving sphere is elementary."_ it is elementary, precisely because it is so easy to verify.

[@firmbeliever3847]

@@johnqpublic7608 How? Its never been verified. NASA's "pictures", LOL. Look into it youll see just like i did. Keep in mind they taught both of us the same thing in school, i know what you know.

[@KittyClark4433]

Lets not get caught up in distractions. I have seen info on both sides. Its interesting to think about different things. BUT make no mistake, our salvation is in Jesus alone. Lets keep our eyes on Him.

[@tjjones621]

When it comes to the map of Earth both sides use, they are identical... Yes, salvation is in our Savior, but flatearth is satanic deception that separates believers from Him.

[@qwerty-so6ml]

@@tjjones621 Only one Gospel: The Gospel of Reconciliation. Jesus Christ came into THEIR kingdom to reconcile fallen angels unto Himself. We are the fallen angels (ELOHIM) kept in DNA chains of darkness. If you do not confess being a fallen angel in Lucifer's kingdom, then you are an unbeliever. Unbeliever = those that claim to be made in the image of ELOHIM(gods). REPENT FALLEN ANGELS.

[@tjjones621]

@@qwerty-so6ml I've made no such claims either way. The best advice I can give you is to consider it's possible you are being misled...

[@qwerty-so6ml]

@@tjjones621 Titus 3:10 A man that is an heretick after the first and second admonition reject; Shalom.

[@tjjones621]

@@qwerty-so6ml Anyone who claims the globe Earth is Satan's lie is complicit in that lie every time they use a map for turn by turn directions. Prove me a heretic...

[@pam2viph]

I don't understand the purpose of the music in the background. it's distracting

[@razark9]

The music is generally a very important part of creationist and evangelical brainwashing.

[@jtjjbannie]

@@razark9 If you are trying for stupidest comment of the year award, you are off to a great start.

[@razark9]

@@jtjjbannie Every frame of AiG's propaganda videos and every note of every tune is placed there for a specific and very deliberate reason. Music is an important tool for evoking emotions and influencing perceptions by the propagandists. Don't have to take my word for it. Just look it up yourself. 😊

[@ElizabethRussell144]

I like it : )

[@icouldbewrongbutithink5279]

@@razark9I watch videos in 2x speed and the music has no affect. You have an axe to grind clearly, but I would remind you all forms of information is a form of brainwashing.

[@ShopharTemple]

All i know is, God's creation is absolutely amazing. I will never be in a position where i will be able to see it for myself. But, when the Lord calls us into the clouds to ever be with Him, i will try to remember to look back and finally know for sure. The only important thing anyone needs to know, is that the Lord Jesus Christ died for our sin, and rose again the third day to give us eternal life with Him.

[@Procopius464]

The shape of the earth is not a mystery. You don't have to wait for God to fly up into the clouds, there are airplanes you can get in. Only toddlers and idiots don't understand that the Earth is round. They knew it in the medieval period, and earlier.

[@2besavedcom-7]

What do you mean by "look back"? If you're saved and get taken up to "meet Yahshua in the air," you'll be coming straight back to the new earth and new heavens.

[@sheilacape4794]

Your not gonna want to look back!!!

[@annep.1905]

You can know for sure now. The earth is a sphere.

[@RAS556]

All you know? It's not that hard. In fact, globism is a 1000% easier to deal with than any other modern deception grounded in the realm of emperical debate. Every common sense emperical experice you personally have had has only shown you a flat and level horizon. The onus is on globers to give me one good and emperical invincible reason to think I live on a ball, a ball where objects that disappear over a "curve" can be brought back into focus with a zoom lenz, a ball but where all observable water is level, a ball that no-one has ever circumnavigated north to south, a ball where no one is allowed to get close to or travel past the ice wall that encircles us, a ball of which we have no actual, real, authentic, unmanipulated picture, a ball that is now quickly becoming "oblong" and a "closed system" and where we have never gone back to the moon because "we lost the data". You can figure this out. You can know. Be courageous today when you are still outnumbered in the nose count, but tomorrow (10 to 15 years) flat earth will be as mainstream as creation.

[@tjammer21]

I like how KZbin slaps the ol' "Context, Flat Earth, Wikipedia" thing on this just based on the title. Obviously if they'd watched the video, they'd know it wasn't needed. In fact, it's never needed, never heeded.

[@kristinp4711]

YT slapping a “correction” on this video should be proof it’s flat just with that lol.

[@johnqpublic7608]

@@kristinp4711 yes, because all the dullards want to pretend that they are "skeptical" of authority.

[@wapper7777]

@@kristinp4711honestly you have a point…

[@GhostScout42]

@@kristinp4711 so now be base our worldview on what youtube believes?

[@ronaldraygun3591]

@@GhostScout42base it on what they don’t want you to believe, break free.

[@ig00g1e]

Evolution, materialism, and NASA is one cohesive system and message. It must be frustrating keeping your feet in both systems and trying to put them together. Come out of them my people.

[@katamas832]

Those have *literally* nothing to do with each other, and can be held without one another. But okay

[@libertyresearch-iu4fy]

Why don't you quit worshiping your pancake?

[@kangjames2492]

The lights being round in your house doesn't make your house round. This will fool a lot of people who haven't done there research and are new to this. He is being deceptive and is a gate keeper from truth.

[@libertyresearch-iu4fy]

What are you babbling about?

[@kangjames2492]

@libertyresearch-iu4fy Educate yourself and don't regurgitate what a lifetime of indoctrination has poisoned you with.

[@kangjames2492]

@libertyresearch-iu4fy The is flat, and God's true creation is being hidden from us in plane sight. We see that the stars are fixed and close. We see the sun and moon travel in a circuit above us. We see that water finds its own level and is flat. With 70 % of this place, we call earth, being water, makes the nature of earth the same "flat and level" with on the land being above sea "level." All the seas/oceans are connected, making them all level and exact to each other.

[@Yipper64]

The devil twists scripture, what you see with your eyes will always be true. And scripture will match what you see, because it is true. You are the one being deceived.

[@kangjames2492]

@Yipper64 The scriptures support the earth being flat. The earth is circular and not a sphere. The bible says the earth is fixed and unmoveble and on pillars. The bible says there is water above and below. The bible says that the sky is solid and hard like a molton looking glass and that there is water above it. The bible says that there is water beneath and everywhere you go on earth, If you dig deep enough, you get water. The bible says that the stars are fixed in the firmament. The bible says that the sun and moon travel in a circuit above us. There are tons more if you are looking for the actual truth..... Look up " 200 proofs the earth is not a spinning ball" by Eric Dubay on KZbin. There is a lot of junk info designed to mislead. Start with this Doc if you wanna be awakened.

[@markksargent]

Long Live Flat Earth, truly. Do your own research, ask questions, open your mind to the truth. All the world is a stage, built by God.

[@christopheespic]

"open your mind".... Try and open your eyes instead 🙄.

[@jonnycake30]

All the world is a stage is quote from a Shakespearean play. You're the uneducated one.

[@matthewmcdevitt6792]

@@christopheespic I did -- I see no evidence with my eyes for Globe Earth. With a Nikon P90 one can see WAY too far according to the official figures for drop off. And no, "refraction" is not a magical fairy that erases the curve like a Photoshop tool.

[@sliglusamelius8578]

@@christopheespic He's trolling. Nobody believes in a flat earth, not even so-called flat earthers, who are faking it. Seriously, they have to be trolls.

[@vld7850]

@@matthewmcdevitt6792 TRUE!

[@kennethhiggins5508]

Look, most flat earthers must appreciate the fact that they were where this guy is at one time. If he continues to pursue this he may eventually come around and then again he may not. You must admit at first it is a shock to your world veiw. Especially if you been indoctrinated in it

[@Derkbot37]

Even some pilots are coming out now saying they don’t adjust their flight for the curvature of the earth. The devil is a liar.

[@Zodiac4711]

No, they simply remain at the same altitude and it automatically follows the curvature of the earth.

[@Derkbot37]

@@Zodiac4711 there is no adjustment downward. To stay at the same altitude you would have to always be slightly adjusting downward so to maintain the altitude. Pilots don’t do this.

[@nikorn24]

​@@Derkbot37 That's not how planes work 😂

[@CalebPaulk]

​@Derkbot37 No you wouldn't. Gravity makes the adjustment for you.

[@Zodiac4711]

@@Derkbot37 "there is no adjustment downward." A pilot constantly adjusts speed, direction and altitude. Do you really think they don't touch the control stick for hours? Ask a pilot or watch the videos by Wolfie6020.

[@blueskyfanclub]

What does Faulkner say about water always finding it’s level when undisturbed? You cannot get water to curve over any curved surface…no experiment has ever shown that it’s possible.

[@logicianbones]

Begs the question of whether gravity is attraction to mass. Basically your argument circularly assumes Flat-Eartherism to argue for Flat-Eartherism. If gravity attracts mass, just as we see it doing everywhere we can look (like wrapping Jupiter into a sphere with moons spinning around it, like Earth sphere with its moon), then water finding a level HAS to be "curved" around the spherical planet.

[@blueskyfanclub]

@@logicianbones gravity is a theory and not a very good one either. Gravity is responsible for holding trillions of tons of water against a centrifugal force of a spinning ball, and yet allows bugs, birds and seeds to float in the air. Density and buoyancy and the electrostatic energy answers the questions of up and down, not the science fiction of gravity. As far as Jupiter and moons, those are lights in the firmament. No one has been or can go there to view them.

[@2besavedcom-7]

You're confusing the term "level" with "flat." Read the comment above and then google some pictures Lake Pontchartrain Bridge which was built to the Earth's curve (most are too short to take curvature into account) and is clearly visible.

[@blueskyfanclub]

@@2besavedcom-7 no it wasn’t built to the curve of the earth. That is a lie. I’ve seen the debate, I’ve seen the pictures. Evidently, you’ve seen only one side of this debate and you choose to believe it without investigating. Go bring up the bridge in China…the longest bridge, and look at those pictures…no curve at all. Btw, take a drive on any of those long bridges…you will not detect an 8” per mile squared curve, which is the calculation for the curve of the earth.

[@blueskyfanclub]

@@logicianbones I’m being censored here…I commented to you, and my comment is not here. Why the censoring??

[@ff144k]

sorry. the earth is measurably flat.

[@daddy4934]

"The Earth is measurably flat" Awesome. So now please pick two distant coordinates anywhere on Earth and show me how you'd calculate the distance between them. I need to see your maths.

[@libertyresearch-iu4fy]

Do you have a 25 mile tape measure?

[@Madcow7777]

If it were flat every single plane time table we currently have would be wrong. Every plane time table you see says it’s an oblate sphere. It’s hard to get passed the mountains of evidence. All those time tables are very precicicely measured

[@ff144k]

@Madcow7777 what is plane time table? time zone? time zones are locally decided. ever been to China?

[@daddy4934]

@@ff144k So you meant to say there is no accurate FE map and you couldn't calculate the shortest flight path between two distant coordinates anywhere on Earth. Problem solved, you lied, Earth isn't measurably flat.

[@joetomgizzledancer]

Isaiah used the word "circle" in ch. 40:22, but used the word "ball" in ch. 22:18. Why do people always skip over that fact. He knew the difference between the two words but wrote them as he did. So the point @11:00 mark is not a very good disproof.

[@tjjones621]

Because the word circle in 40:22 is used in a phrase "circle OF Earth" which can mean a flat disk or anything circular including a ball shape. A sphere is a three dimensional circle. In 22:18 it reads "..and toss thee like a ball .." "Ball" here is a direct simile. Yes, He knows the difference, but man doesn't always get grammar correct.

[@onlyupdoots7157]

You are correct. Strong's H2329 circle, circuit, compass. Clear as day.

[@joeythebushkangaroo1]

Moses was inspired by Holy Spirit to use the word CIRCLE for the Sun at Job 26:10, yet we know the Sun is a sphere...

[@tjjones621]

@@onlyupdoots7157 Yes, no doubt about it, the word is circle... but the phrase is "circle of Earth." He is reading it as "the circle earth."

[@tjjones621]

@@joeythebushkangaroo1 They just can't understand that a circle doesn't exist in reality and is only a 2D geometric concept. There are no circles because they only have 2 dimensions. There are only circular 3D objects... like balls and hoola hoops and pizzas. smh

[@IAMhassentyou]

Titus 3:5 he saved us, not because of righteous things we had done, but because of his mercy. He saved us through the washing of rebirth and renewal by the Holy Spirit, Ephesians 2:8,9 For it is by grace you have been saved, through faith- and this is not from yourselves, it is the gift of God - 9 not by works, so that no one can boast. John 3:6-18 For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life. 17 For God did not send his Son into the world to condemn the world, but to save the world through him. 18 Whoever believes in him is not condemned, but whoever does not believe stands condemned already because they have not believed in the name of God’s one and only Son.

[@joshbenton4080]

Amen!

[@jahk603]

@MilTec.b "There is no such thing as gravitation pull, we lied to you." - Michio Kaku. I wouldn't be trusting the words of lying godless men who hate Jesus when it comes to what they have to say about anything; let alone where you live and what God does.

[@zybyz]

@MilTec.b”He commanded, and it STOOD FAST” - psalm 33:9. That means “stood still”. According to the Bible, the earth does not move. God made the sun stop moving in the sky. It doesn’t say he stopped the earth from moving. It says the sun stopped. Stop calling God a liar.

[@logicianbones]

​@@zybyz It also said it "did not hasten". Which is literal? Did it stop from left to right, or merely not speed up? See other threads. It has nothing to do with lies. Nonliteral language isn't a "lie". Is Jesus a loaf of bread?

[@JoseGarcia-rt3fy]

The whole point of the rainbow is to let us know that the firmament is up there holding back the waters from flooding the earth again

[@paulcurran4786]

Which also tells us the firmament is between us and the sun....

[@travisbicklepopsicle]

That's the purpose of rainbows? Do you know what causes rainbows to form?

[@paulcurran4786]

@@travisbicklepopsicle It's not the purpose of rainbows, it's how they come to be and how we know they weren't there before. If they were there before, the promise God made to Noah wouldn't have any weight to it, it'd be like if he said "this tree is my promise", wouldn't give any solace to Noah. The suns light passing through the firmament causes the light to slow down and separate into its elemental colours, that spectrum is then displayed on the rain that acts like a canvas....works much like a projector & screen. This doesn't work in FE with the sun being inside the dome.

[@JoseGarcia-rt3fy]

@@paulcurran4786 actually it only works on the FE model .Light has to pass through water then hit a reflection .you can do the experiment indoors all you need is a bowl of water, a mirror at the bottom and a light shining through the water hiting the mirror. If you want the color spectrum like a rainbow you will need a curved mirror. Outdoors we have the curved FIRMAMENT for that.

[@JoseGarcia-rt3fy]

@paulcurran4786 actually it only works on the FE model .Light has to pass through water then hit a reflection .you can do the experiment indoors all you need is a bowl of water, a mirror at the bottom and a light shining through the water hiting the mirror. If you want the color spectrum like a rainbow you will need a curved mirror. Outdoors we have the curved FIRMAMENT for that.

[@JoseGarcia-rt3fy]

Actually the earh is compared to a foot stool (flat). Not once is earth compared to a ball yet it is mentioned in Isaiah 22:18 to describe something else.

[@libertyresearch-iu4fy]

Yeah, and Heaven is a throne then reality sets it that this is poetic language. DERP

[@Yipper64]

So like a literal foot stool? Where is the throne? LIke is that a physical thing as well? We have good enough telescopes we should be able to see the throne for witch the earth is a foot stool. Why hasnt God used the earth as a foot stool yet by the way? Why havnt we seen God's giant feet?

[@JoseGarcia-rt3fy]

@Yipper64 stars and wandering stars are within the firmament. I don't think anyone has seen above the firmament. A throne is a symbol of a king's or queen's authority, power, and claim to rule, and can also represent both divine and secular rule. A foot stool is a physical object. Earth is a physical place those who do believe in the FE it would make sense for it to be discibed as God's foot stool and not a ball.

[@libertyresearch-iu4fy]

@@JoseGarcia-rt3fy The expanse is billions of light years across. The firmament is the Universe, skippy.

[@Yipper64]

@@JoseGarcia-rt3fy So a throne is not a physical object, but a foot stool is. I guess seats dont exist. Makes sense to me.

[@vjench1836]

Explain that to me now pastor and please don't tell me Joshua didn't know how the universe was - He spoke to the Lord in the presence of Israel Joshua 10:12 On the day that the LORD gave the Amorites over to the Israelites, Joshua spoke to the LORD in the presence of Israel: “O sun, stand still over Gibeon, O moon, over the Valley of Aijalon.” 13So the sun stood still and the moon stopped until the nation took vengeance upon its enemies. Is this not written in the Book of Jashar? “So the sun stopped in the middle of the sky and delayed going down about a full day.” 14There has been no day like it before or since, when the LORD listened to the voice of a man, because the LORD fought for Israel.…

[@libertyresearch-iu4fy]

God did it, and Earth is spherical. Just go back to worshiping your pancake, flattard.

[@JoseGarcia-rt3fy]

Some how nasa is the only government agency that doesn't lie

[@cryptojihadi265]

CLASSIC Flerf idiocracy. The Globe model is 2500 YEARS OLD. LONNNNNNG before NASA was created. The Heliocentric model is over 500 YEARS OLD, ALSO well before NASA. The fact that you can't see such an OBVIOUS flaw in your argument, lets us know EXACTLY why you fell for the demonic flat earth hoax.

[@cryptojihadi265]

@@RidgewayMountainhauser Not too mention completely irrelevant as both models were established HUNDREDS of years before NASA.

[@JoseGarcia-rt3fy]

@@cryptojihadi265 yes ,but pilots flight manuals even today say they are based a stationary plain

[@charlespoe5155]

Or their own document 1207 that states in the summary of its 100 pages about how aircraft flies over a flat, non rotating earth. For over 50 years they say we are on a ball earth. Which is it?

[@libertyresearch-iu4fy]

@@cryptojihadi265 Flat earth has only been around for less that 200 years. Hardly hundreds before NASA.

[@peterwiebewall5608]

Greetings dearly beloved in the name of Jesus Christ our Saviour and Lord, from Pastor Peter Wiebe Wall, Alberta Canada 🇨🇦.

[@johnqpublic7608]

do you have a lot of flat earth dunces in canada?

[@CanaldoFakeflip]

Earth takes shape like clay under a seal. Sounds pretty flat to me

[@nikorn24]

But it's not flat though. I guess that means the bible is just wrong 🤔

[@CanaldoFakeflip]

@@nikorn24 You are free to believe whoever you like. I stick with God's words.

[@nikorn24]

​@@CanaldoFakeflipStick with god's words all you like, they're still wrong 🤷

[@Farmer4Truth]

@@nikorn24The Word of God is never wrong, but it’s up to you to either believe what it says or dismiss it as not literal.

[@nikorn24]

@@Farmer4Truth Well if that word is "the earth is flat" then it quite literally is wrong 😂 Sorry

[@miscamisca6775]

I find it hilarious that AiG have to debunk flat earth >< It is funny on so many levels

[@RudyKelmendi]

4 corners are North South East West

[@kathyweckerle6880]

Isaiah 40:22 refers to the “circle of the earth”. CIRCLE - a round PLANE figure whose boundary (the circumference) consists of points equidistant from a fixed point (the center). PLANE - a flat surface on which a straight line joining any two points on it would wholly lie. FACE - In solid geometry, a face is a flat surface (a planar region) that forms part of the boundary of a solid object The Bible, God’s written word, uses these terms of geometry (Circle and Face) in context of earth, dry land. Romans 3:4 KJV [4] God forbid: yea, let God be true, but every man a liar; as it is written, That thou mightest be justified in thy sayings, and mightest overcome when thou art judged.

[@ceedee873]

Amen!

[@PanhandleFrank]

Circles don’t have corners. Try again.

[@kehindeakiode2865]

Your point was addressed in the video.

[@burnttoast2790]

@@PanhandleFrank If I recall correctly that verse could just as easily by described as quadrants. But then again, the biblical authors were the sort of people to think pi was equal to 3, so maybe they _did_ think circles could have corners.

[@PanhandleFrank]

@@burnttoast2790 Pi IS equal to 3. 3.1. 3.14 3.142 3.1416 3.14159 You smell what I’m cookin’?

[@brianchristopher8843]

This was poorly researched and an over all failure. Yes the Bible says the earth is fixed, immovable, and a circle. Doesn't say flat or sphere but they did have a word for circle and sphere and the word circle was used.

[@Farmer4Truth]

Also says it has foundations

[@PanhandleFrank]

Circles don’t have corners.

[@logicianbones]

Sorry but your comment is what is poorly researched. See other comment threads. All of those arguments have been debunked long ago.

[@aservantinbabylon]

@@logicianbones None have been debunked. Zero.

[@logicianbones]

@@aservantinbabylon Then show why. Engage the reasoning I and others have shown. And I know what a sound debunking looks like... it is.

[@mindsetmatters370]

Actually, I have a book which is based on Flat Earth theory proposed by leading Scientists as far back as 1800s. One of these scientists was the British Astronomer Royal [the Head Man so to speak]. So your contention that this is a very recent "phenomenon" is incorrect. In addition the arguments put forth in this book are very compelling. Just saying that perhaps a more objective approach would be more helpful if we are to get the the truth?

[@dorvinion]

It is a recent phenomenon. I've been a heavy internet user for 30 years now. I didn't see flat earth nonsense anywhere until after 2016. Its emergence cannot be organic. Some malevolent entity (government intelligence services most likely) has to be behind it

[@alflat885]

True and keep researching, it is flat, as the bible describes many times. Watch Bob Skiba , The Potter's Clay, Taboo Conspiracy iii, DITRH, Paul on the Plane, Eric Dubay.

[@razark9]

@@alflat885 All uneducated conspiracy theorists on KZbin who deletes comments contradicting them. You *BELIEVE* the Earth is flat first because you think the bible says so, so you're all to eager to accept what conmen on KZbin are feeding you with. Ask more questions instead of just nodding your head to whatever you're fed by KZbinr conmen.

[@logicianbones]

He's talking about the uptick in its popularity. This is a short summary vid. He and others talk about Flat-Earthers existing in older times, including two Medieval. Maybe his wording here could have been clearer, but you're misunderstanding what he's trying to say clearly based on that past context.

[@johnqpublic7608]

@@alflat885 stop spamming flattard conmen.

[@romandaigle455]

NASA means beguiled in Hebrew.

[@tjjones621]

nasa means "he travels" or "to lift up" nasha means "to deceive" or, as you put it, "beguiled" You are spreading the poison that was fed to you...

[@charlespoe5155]

Also planet in Greek planos means deceive

[@tjjones621]

No it doesn't. You lie.

[@campparsonssundayschool7844]

@@charlespoe5155planets (πλανητες) in Greek means wanderers.

[@adamyusuf1805]

Job 26:10 He hath compassed the waters with bounds, until the day and night come to an end To compass something means to go around it in a circular course. For example, Ferdinand Magellan compassed the globe. What Job 26:10 is saying here, is God created a border for the world not in the sense of a great wall or a cutting point where earth just ends, but in the idea of horizons. The horizon is where the earth ends. Earth is a sphere and therefore the only direction for it to end is the third direction; up and down. The bounds of the earth are day and night themselves. The sky. This one verse confirms the Earth is round.

[@libertyresearch-iu4fy]

The bounds of the water are the shorelines. It does not have to be a circle.

[@adamyusuf1805]

@@libertyresearch-iu4fy I literally just explained what the word “compass” means and how it confirms earth must be round/spherical

[@JaniceCrowell]

Charlie Duke’s testimony is amazing. I had the privilege to meet him on 1986.

[@fanbutton]

The man is a 33rd degree free mason...sworn to secrecy...a professional liar.

[@ShopharTemple]

They say the earth is rotating around the sun in an oval shape path. But then the sun is 400 times bigger than the moon, and 400 times further away than the moon and that's how we get an eclipse because they're both the perfect size. But if the path is an oval, the size of the sun in our sky would change throughout the year. Also, how could the sun be 400 times bigger than the moon, but millions of times the size of the earth at the same time? Isn't the moon smaller than the earth? That math ain't mathing

[@katamas832]

The distance throughout the orbit doesn't change to matter significantly. It's still enough to roughly cover the Sun. No, the Earth can *fit* inside the Sun millions of times, that's a different measure to size. The size we are talking about in one case is 2 dimensions, and 3 dimensions in the other.

[@galileog8945]

Google has what you want to know. It is amazing. You will find out in 5 minutes.

[@seanvogel8067]

The eccentricity of the earth's orbit around the sun is 0.0167, so it is almost circular. Earth is 93 million miles from the sun and the sun is 864,000 miles in diameter.

[@JosiahK555]

The variation in distance is not significant. It's close to a circle but certainly not a circle... sometimes the moon might not cover the whole sun. This is called an anular eclipse. The moon is slightly further from the earth and appears slightly smaller.

[@Yipper64]

how often do you look directly at the sun to judge its size?

[@Juliang61]

I don't think he talks fast enough WOW. Good stuff tho

[@ismaellopezlara]

What was Earth orbiting around during days 1, 2, and 3 of Creation Week? Because the sun was not created until day 4. That right there in Genesis 1, who you claim to believe, debunks heliocentrism.

[@kevinskinner4986]

Of course it does. Assuming that that actually happened. Actually wait..... if God's all-powerful, couldn't he just..... make the Earth revolve around nothing?

[@annep.1905]

Might just as well ask where the light came from on days 1, 2, and 3. The absence of the Sun on those days does not disprove a heliocentric solar system. It merely proves that God did not need the Sun to set the earth in motion.

[@hesavedawretchlikeme6902]

We don't know exactly how the earth stood there, God is sovereign and hangs the earth on nothing according to His word He has told us. He asked Job many of the same questions here in the later chapters of that book. Why are all the other heavenly bodies (planets) spheres? Why do all the other countries see the earth as a globe with their telescopes, or photos from their satellites? Is anything impossible with Our Lord God? ....no

[@ajforms4818]

supremely lame , and easily one of the most ignorant things I have ever read.

[@markduell2468]

It's 2024 and we are still having discussions about this topic. Unbelievable.

[@Necrodudeman]

I can't believe it too. This discussion is pointless.

[@cs5250]

It’s because the ark museum is in the Bible Belt where people believe flat earth

[@davidh5429]

​@@Necrodudeman The lies of the government are so great, literally nobody trusts anything or anyone anymore. So they look for opposites.

[@KennethIligan-wo4pg]

The fact that they're still having a discussion on what a woman is and what a man is, and they believe in everything that is okay to have sex with a lot of people. And they believe that a man can become a woman and a man can be pregnant, do you even realize how ridiculous that is.😂

[@williambillycraig1057]

@@cs5250 Flat Earth proponents can be found across the United States and worldwide. However, it is worth noting that the Flat Earth Society, one of the most prominent organizations for flat earthers, is based in California.

[@nigelrobinson5991]

saiah 40:22 It is he that sitteth upon the circle of the earth, and the inhabitants thereof are as grasshoppers; that stretcheth out the heavens as a curtain, and spreadeth them out as a tent to dwell in

[@moogle_k]

H1754 Dure: a circle or ball. H2329 khoog: a circle, circuit, compass Isaiah 40:22 "It is he that sitteth upon the circle[H2329] of the earth" Isaiah 40:22 uses form H2329 khoog, which means a circle, circuit, compass. The ancient Hebrews DID have a word, "Dure", to describe a spherical ball shape of the earth when the Bible was recorded. Here's the biblical example of a round ball being used; Isiah 22:18. "He will surely turn and toss thee like a ball" [H1754 Dure:]

[@tjjones621]

circle of earth means a ball shape. Also, earth is not capitalized...

[@farfiman]

In hebrew it doesn't say circle. The meaning is "around ( the land)"

[@campparsonssundayschool7844]

“..stretches out the heavens as a curtain” = expanding universe.

[@cathygray4454]

And I think this is one of these divisive tactics the enemy uses to further separate the church from itself, one another

[@moogle_k]

The truth is divisive. luke 12:51 "Suppose ye that I am come to give peace on earth? I tell you, Nay; but rather division:” If someone is offended by the truth, then they are more comfortable with lies. Who's the father of lies again?

[@libertyresearch-iu4fy]

@@moogle_k You wouldn't know truth if it broke your nose.

[@tjjones621]

Exactly. Flatearthers turn unbelievers off to the possibility of being converted.

[@tjjones621]

@@moogle_k How would you know? You use the globe map to drive around and tell people Earth is flat. We know you by your fruits.

[@shinnstoneer7]

Why so angry?

[@saulespino2510]

One thing that the flat earth proponents have that scientists can/t seem to answer is this- how can you zoom in on a ship with binoculars after you see with your eyes go under the horizon.

[@SuperDavidEF]

You can't. They lied. Flat Earthers always lie, because the truth is incompatible with a "flat earth" belief.

[@ronaldraygun3591]

The curvature formula doesn’t add up

[@msquiggle3590]

Zoom in on a ship going over the horizon. Oh look, the ship disappears bottom first. Almost like it's going over a curve

[@msquiggle3590]

@@ronaldraygun3591 That's because you're using the wrong formula. 8" per mile would yield a parabola. The correct curvature formula is h = r * (1 - cos a) h: drop in curvature over a distance r: radius of the Earth a: angle formed between your observation point, the center of the Earth, and the point you are looking to do the calculation on

[@logicianbones]

Faulkner has much about this in his book. You're talking about atmospheric refraction (from temperature inversion) which is fully explained. But you seem to maybe imply that binoculars change it, no they don't. But even if it wasn't fully explained, that wouldn't prove a flat Earth, which is already disproven many other ways. Also FEers would have the same problem in reverse times a gajilion since this is RARE (and happens precisely when temperature inversions would happen).

[@user-mu2oj3rt1x]

These people don't have enough or any evidence to support a flat earth. Their argument is really stupid.

[@trasenagleeson5422]

These people worship science

[@jahk603]

scientism

[@nikorn24]

Understanding science isn't worshipping science. That's like saying accountants worship maths because they use it 😂

[@libertyresearch-iu4fy]

Do you worship pancakes?

[@nikorn24]

@@libertyresearch-iu4fy I do. Fluffy, light, delicious. What's not to worship?

[@thetruthstrangerthanfictio954]

@@nikorn24 I agree with you. Some people do worship science but not these people. If they did they would believe in Darwinism.

[@friendofgod9413]

Isaiah 49:22

[@libertyresearch-iu4fy]

Thus saith the Lord GOD, Behold, I will lift up mine hand to the Gentiles, and set up my standard to the people: and they shall bring thy sons in their arms, and thy daughters shall be carried upon their shoulders.

[@gregcarlson8660]

A circle does not have corners. Therefore, the argument of the circle of the earth (Isa 40:22) and the argument of the four corners of the earth (Isa 11:12) contradict each other.

[@mephi654]

Then why does ‘science’ use the expression “From the four corners of the earth” when speaking of a sphere? Because it’s an expression!

[@jahk603]

What happens when you quarter a circle? You get four corners in the middle; that's the point.

[@jimthomas1989]

4 corners refer to the 4 directions North , South, East , and West From no matter where you are which would make a Sphere Then there is Longitude and Latitude Then there is why don't YOU send up your own camera and your own balloon while recording video of EVERYTHING and then show your findings to the entire WORLD !

[@AUTOSAD777]

You win dumbest comment of this video.

[@RudyKelmendi]

Why are bubbles round and not square or triangular. Everything in the universe or round, it’s the law!

[@sunshinehoward9649]

sorry Rudy, you can make different shape bubbles. even squared ones. just have to have the tools and know how. but I do hear you.

[@donaldrodriguez8134]

SO we are TRAVELING at millions of miles per hour into OUTER space and the stars ✨ are all still in the same position after millions of years ? 🤣🤣🤣

[@TheSwordandPearl]

Make it make sense

[@PanhandleFrank]

Straw man much? Dr. Faulkner said nothing about *“traveling into* outer space.” Earth orbits the sun.

[@burnttoast2790]

They aren't, actually. In fact, if you check written accounts of ancient cultures doing their own stargazing, you'd learn that one of the stars in the Little Dipper's bowl, Kochab, was closer to the northern pole. But as our solar system drifts, so do the constellations from our perspective. Thus, the Little Dipper moved such that the tip of the handle, Polaris, was the new pole star.

[@welcometoWWW]

God tossed you out of Heaven. You have _fallen_ into time. Given this, I'd say it's fairly reasonable to imagine God chucked you with such an incredible speed and force out of Heaven so as to literally create space-time. Welcome to life buddy. Bible never says the Earth is flat.

[@PanhandleFrank]

@@welcometoWWW "God tossed you out of Heaven." Umm, SCRIPTURE(S) please?! 🤔

[@SoniaJbrt]

Hi from South Africa. I have never been further than Southern Africa countries my whole life. I have never seen the north star, and unless I get enough money to take a vacation in Europe, for example, I will never see the north star. It is Autumn now and in the evening we can see the constilation of Virgo. In September, when it is Spring here, we see the constilation of Orion. How is that possible? It is the exact opposite for people in the northern hemisphere regarding when they see these constilations. It is because the earth is a sphere.

[@LV4EVR]

Don't hold your breath for an answer from the FE crowd, of course. Hard to believe this even needs to be addressed. And yet...

[@bigbenpbr]

You should save money to go to America. We are really nice, and we have fried chicken.

[@YochananMat]

There is a good explanation.

[@aservantinbabylon]

No, it is simply because the north star is too far from you to see. It is just behind the horizon, just like street poles will be behind the horizon a couple of miles down the road due to perspective. Just like If you lie on a football field with your head on the ground and watch someone walk away from you, they will start to disappear from the ground up at only about 50 ft from you. This cannot possibly be due to them walking over the curve of the earth at that distance. It is simply perspective. Furthermore, the north star has been seen consistently from 30 degrees south latitude when conditions are right. This would be impossible on a globe earth.

[@libertyresearch-iu4fy]

@@aservantinbabylon And sunlight only travels about 5000 miles right, skippy?

[@erickedmondromanharris1549]

Job 37:33 That is why my heart also trembles, And jumps from its place. 2 Listen carefully to the loud noise of his voice, and to the sound that comes out of his mouth. 3 Under all the heavens he directs it, And the light from it to the ends of the earth. Deuteronomy 4:18-19 15 “On the day the Lord spoke to you in Horeb, in the midst of the fire, you did not see any figure. Therefore, be very careful 16 not to corrupt yourselves by making idols or figures that have the form or image of a man or a woman, 17 or of animals that walk on the earth, or of birds that fly in the air, 18 or of reptiles that They crawl on the ground, or from fish that live in the waters beneath the ground. 19 Otherwise, when you look up and see the whole host of heaven-that is, the sun, the moon, and the stars-you may be tempted to bow down before them and worship them. The Lord, your God, has given these stars to all the nations under heaven. Ezekiel 1:22 and 26 22 And above the heads of the living creatures appeared a dome like a marvelous crystal, stretched over their heads. 23 And under the expanse their wings were straight, reaching out one toward another; and each one had two wings that covered his body. Ezekiel 1:26 26 And above the expanse that was over their heads, like the appearance of a sapphire stone, was the likeness of a throne, and on the likeness of the throne, was a likeness like the appearance of a man upon it above. כווּמִמַּ֗עַל לָֽרָקִ֙יעַ֙ אֲשֶׁ֣ר עַל־רֹאשָׁ֔ם כְּמַרְאֵ֥ה אֶֽבֶן־סַפִּ֖יר דְּמ֣וּת כִּסֵּ֑א וְעַל֙ דְּמ֣וּת הַכִּסֵּ֔א דְּמ֞וּת כְּמַרְאֵ֥ה אָדָ֛ם עָלָ֖יו מִלְמָֽעְלָה: Psalm 93:1 יהוה queen; she dressed herself in magnificence; יהוה clothed herself, she girded herself with power. She also established the world, and it will not move. Psalm 104:5 You established the earth on its foundations and it will never move from there; Isaiah 45:18 For thus says the LORD who created the heavens (He is the God who formed the earth and made it, He established it and did not make it a desolate place, but formed it to be inhabited): I am the LORD and there is no other. אֲנִ֥י יְהֹוָ֖ה וְאֵ֥ין עֽוֹד Psalm 75:3 The earth and all its inhabitants tremble, but I support its columns. Psalms 96:10 Say among the nations: יהוה queen. She also affirmed the world, it will not be moved; She will judge the people in justice. 1 chronicles 16:30 Tremble at his presence, all the earth; Certainly the world is well established, it will be immovable. Isaiah 14:13-14 13 You who said in your heart: I will ascend to heaven; I will set up my throne on high above the stars of God, and I will sit on the mountain of the testimony on the sides of the north; 14 I will ascend above the heights of the clouds, and I will be like the Most High. Proverbs 30:4 Who ascended to heaven and descended? Who collected the winds in his fists? Who wrapped the waters in his mantle? Who established all the ends of the earth? What is his name or the name of his son? Certainly you know it. Isaiah 2:22 Stop considering the man, whose breath of life is in his nostrils; for what is he to be esteemed for? Genesis 1:14-19 14 Then God said: Let there be lights in the expanse of the heavens to separate the day from the night; and let them serve as signs for the seasons, for days and years, 15 and let them be lights in the expanse of the heavens to give light on the earth. And it was like that. 16 And God made the two great lights; the greater light to rule the day, and the lesser light to rule the night; he also made the stars. 17 And God placed them in the firmament of heaven to give light on the earth, 18 and to govern the day and the night, and to separate the light from the darkness. And God saw that he was good. 19And there was evening and morning on the fourth day. Ecclesiastes 1:1-7 1 Words of the Preacher, son of David, king in Jerusalem. 2 Vanity of vanities, said the Preacher; vanity of vanities, everything is vanity. 3 What profit does a man have from all his labor under the sun? 4 Generation goes, and generation comes; but the earth always remains. 5 The sun rises, and the sun sets, and hurries back to the place from which it rises. 6 The wind pulls towards the south, and circles around to the north; It spins continuously, and the wind returns to its spins again. 7 The rivers all flow into the sea, and the sea is not filled; to the place where the rivers came from, there they return to flow again. Joshua 10:12-13 12 On that day when the Lord delivered the Amorites into the hands of the Israelites, Joshua said to the Lord in the presence of all the people: "Sun, stand on Gibeon, moon, stand on Aijalon." 13 The sun stood still and the moon stood still, until Israel took revenge on her adversaries. Isaiah 43:6 6 I will say to the north: Go this way; and to the south: Do not stop; bring my sons from afar, and my daughters from the ends of the earth, 7 all who are called by my name; For my glory I have created them, formed them and made them. Psalm 136:7-9 To him who made the great luminaries; His great love endures forever. 8 The sun, to illuminate the day; His great love endures forever. 9 The moon and the stars, to illuminate the night; His great love endures forever. Isaiah 38:7 I will defend this city. 7 And this is the sign that I will give you to confirm what I have promised you: 8 I will cause the shadow of the sun to retreat on the ladder of Ahaz the ten steps it has already descended.” »And the sunlight went back the ten steps it had already descended! Isaiah 13:9-10 Look! The day of the Lord is coming-a cruel day, of fury and burning wrath-; He will turn the earth into desolation and exterminate sinners from it! 10 The stars and constellations of heaven will cease to radiate light from it; The sun will be darkened as it rises and the moon will no longer shine.

[@tjjones621]

Ok, but Earth isn't flat tho..

[@erickedmondromanharris1549]

@@tjjones621 it is NOT a sphere.

[@tjjones621]

@@erickedmondromanharris1549 Ok. What is the name of the map you use to navigate Earth?

[@erickedmondromanharris1549]

@@tjjones621 I have a set of better questions: How does atmosphere stay around without a container from space? How do oceans curve around a spherical Earth? How is it that the constellations are still together and with the same paterns year after year? Why is there a star like Polaris that stays fixed above the magnetic North everyday all year-round every year since the beginning of history? Why is space fake, movie filmed and totaly sci-fi?

[@IAMhassentyou]

Acts 4:12 Salvation is found in no one else, for there is no other name under heaven given to mankind by which we must be saved.” John 14:6 Jesus answered, “I am the way and the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me. Matthew 8:18-22 18 When Jesus saw the crowd around him, he gave orders to cross to the other side of the lake. 19 Then a teacher of the law came to him and said, “Teacher, I will follow you wherever you go.” 20 Jesus replied, “Foxes have dens and birds have nests, but the Son of Man has no place to lay his head.” 21 Another disciple said to him, “Lord, first let me go and bury my father.” 22 But Jesus told him, “Follow me, and let the dead bury their own dead.”

[@iriemon1796]

How do you know the Bible is accurate? You just believe it. Belief =/= fact.

[@IAMhassentyou]

@@iriemon1796 why would you ask a question then answer it yourself? You seem to be so well-informed you shouldn't be asking any questions. 😆

[@iriemon1796]

@@IAMhassentyou Thanks for confirming my point. Why would you make a statement of fact that is simply what you choose to believe?

[@logicianbones]

​@@iriemon1796 Strawman. We "test everything" as it orders, and see that it's proven.

[@iriemon1796]

@@logicianbones What is the "strawman", who is "we", what do you test, and what does that have to do with the accuracy of the Bible?

[@savedbygrace2397]

How do flat-earthers explain the paths of the recent eclipses?

[@libertyresearch-iu4fy]

They usually say eclipses are not caused by the moon or the Earth.

[@savedbygrace2397]

@libertyresearch-iu4fy , that's bizarre, especially because Nasa publishes the data years in advance, so how could they do that if the earth were flat? Makes no sense.

[@ajforms4818]

why do you care? did you see the moon coming to the show?

[@savedbygrace2397]

@@ajforms4818 , I care about the truth, and I care that false teachers make Christianity look bad by teaching nonsense like flat earth.

[@nathanmyers8122]

The whole world will see christ return ..kinda hard on a round earth...

[@tjjones621]

Supernatural events don't rely on Earthly substances.

[@MrFinius]

I have never seen a satisfactory explanation for eclipses or correolus phenomena in any of the numerous flat-earth models.

[@tjjones621]

I challenge any and all fe'rs to debate the map they use for turn by turn directions....

[@moogle_k]

I have corrected you many times on your failed understandings of maps, projection distortions, coordinate system equivalence, and the fact that google maps GPS still uses a version of the Mercator projection map for its data. Since all officially authorized projection maps use the same data, the Mercator projection map is mathematically and scientifically equivalent to the Azimuthal Equidistant "flat earth" map. They literally contain the EXACT same data, just with different points of projection. Despite all the lessons and corrections I have given you, you continue to repeat the same script you have been running for a few years now. It's this DAILY repeated behavior of your comment spam in every comment section regarding this topic that exposes you as nothing but a troll at best. Again, your map is mathematically and scientifically the same as Gleason's polar projection longitude time calculator map, that you refer to as the "flat earth" map and like to pretend isn't an authorized map. It is 100% an authentic published map with all coordinate locations being the equal. Trying to discredit one, discredits them all as they are the same map with different projection points of reference based off of an assumed spherical image of the earth. At this point you typically try to shift the goal posts and claim that map projections aren't actually maps. You claim they don't matter because no one uses them for turn by turn directions. That is of course wrong as I have corrected your error and shown you many times now how Google Maps still uses a version of the Mercator projection map to pull its data from to this day. "Google Maps use a Spherical Normal (equatorial) variant of the Mercator projection for its map images." -setcompass The map in your phone is locally accurate in part thanks to Google maps using a version of the Mercator projection for its data. The flat earth map IS your map. They are the same as they use the same exact authorized and published map data. Your obsession with maps makes you a flat earth polar projection map disciple. Thank you for constantly bringing attention to the fact the flat earth projection map is a true map with the same coordinate system as the map you use. Gleason's map successfully retains the overall truthful layout of the earth while still being related to the assumed shape of the earth, just as all officially authorized published projection maps are.

[@user-hp5qw3fv6m]

@@moogle_k GPS doesn't use mercator projections for its data. The GPS system are equatorial orbiting satellites emitting radio time signals that GPS receivers convert to a geographical position that can only be plotted on a accurate chart such a large scale Mercator chart. One has to look the Gleeson map that the Australia land mass exceeds that of India/China/SE Asia with totally distorted Africa/South America including the oceans including Antarctica being the Earth's circumference that the flat earth and GPS isn't compatible.

[@tjjones621]

​@@moogle_k So, how come your GPS device doesn't match the Mercator or AE projection? Mine matches the physical globe map. I checked and mine matches yours. This is how I know you are a really bad liar and your insistence is pure comedy gold. :) Without a legend showing single scale and distance conversion on the Mercator or the AE, you simply don't have a map of your Flatearth. I keep telling you... You are the globe proof, not me. This is how indoctr1nation works. Surely, you know that when one is indoctr1nated, everything they were taught turns out to be a lie... I saved this for you, just in case it disappears... @moogle_k 20 hours ago I have corrected you many times on your failed understandings of maps, projection distortions, coordinate system equivalence, and the fact that google maps GPS still uses a version of the Mercator projection map for its data. Since all officially authorized projection maps use the same data, the Mercator projection map is mathematically and scientifically equivalent to the Azimuthal Equidistant "flat earth" map. They literally contain the EXACT same data, just with different points of projection. Despite all the lessons and corrections I have given you, you continue to repeat the same script you have been running for a few years now. It's this DAILY repeated behavior of your comment spam in every comment section regarding this topic that exposes you as nothing but a troll at best. Again, your map is mathematically and scientifically the same as Gleason's polar projection longitude time calculator map, that you refer to as the "flat earth" map and like to pretend isn't an authorized map. It is 100% an authentic published map with all coordinate locations being the equal. Trying to discredit one, discredits them all as they are the same map with different projection points of reference based off of an assumed spherical image of the earth. At this point you typically try to shift the goal posts and claim that map projections aren't actually maps. You claim they don't matter because no one uses them for turn by turn directions. That is of course wrong as I have corrected your error and shown you many times now how Google Maps still uses a version of the Mercator projection map to pull its data from to this day. "Google Maps use a Spherical Normal (equatorial) variant of the Mercator projection for its map images." -setcompass The map in your phone is locally accurate in part thanks to Google maps using a version of the Mercator projection for its data. The flat earth map IS your map. They are the same as they use the same exact authorized and published map data. Your obsession with maps makes you a flat earth polar projection map disciple. Thank you for constantly bringing attention to the fact the flat earth projection map is a true map with the same coordinate system as the map you use. Gleason's map successfully retains the overall truthful layout of the earth while still being related to the assumed shape of the earth, just as all officially authorized published projection maps are.

[@moogle_k]

​@@user-hp5qw3fv6mI literally quoted the people that created Google maps for you and yet you struggle to comprehend the words they use when describing the sytem they created. Read these words again slowly so you can comprehend them; "Google Maps use a Spherical Normal (equatorial) variant of the Mercator projection for its map images. The Mercator map was developed in 1569 by Gerardus Mercator as a navigation tool based on a rectangular grid with parallel lines of latitude and longitude. The Mercator map was designed as an aid to navigators since straight lines on the Mercator projection are loxodromes or rhumb lines - representing lines of constant compass bearing - perfect for 'true' direction." -setcompass "Set Compass is a Google Maps tool that enables users to plot and record compass bearings, distances and magnetic declination or variation for single or multiple routes. " I'm also entertained how you disinfo trolls are so afraid and confused by projection maps. Australia is they same length on the AE map as it is on any other projection map. Visual distortions aside, when you pay attention to the coordinate degrees and convert them to nautical miles and then to imperial miles, they are all the same. All authorized projection maps are mathematically and scientifically equivalent. They have to be or they won't be published.

[@moogle_k]

​@@tjjones621Thank you for saving my corrections to your many errors. Please feel free to paste it in after every time you make your maps, map, maps comment.

[@josephhung5267]

AiG is a fantastic resource for so many topics, except Biblical cosmology. We really need to stand on the word of God to explain our earth. I am surprised since AiG is correct about so many things that this huge error would not be plainly obvious to them. You have to use the scriptures as the basis for Biblical cosmology, but AiG tries to piecemeal the parts of secular astronomy they are comfortable with into their worldview. God's word says the opposite of the heliocentric model. the sun moves. earth does not move. don't be afraid of those scriptures go back and read them again because they are there for a purpose. God didn't accidentally let them slip into the Bible. they are intentional. The reason this movement is growing is because the blinders are being lifted by the will of God. It is encouraging to see so many believers in the comment section who have had their eyes opened to Biblical cosmology. In fact from what I can see there are more for Biblical Cosmology than against it in the comments. Praise God!!! I pray the AiG team will have their eyes opened to the truth as well so they will stand boldly on God's word rather than trying to fit secular ideas into a Christian worldview. I also pray that Danny Faulkner would be humble to receive correction from The Almighty even though his entire career has been unintentionally chasing after a deception. I am sure that would be very difficult to reconcile but all things are possible!

[@answersingenesis]

answersingenesis.org/astronomy/earth/does-bible-teach-earth-flat/

[@PanhandleFrank]

@@karent743 “tHeY aRe WoLvEs iN sHeeP’s cLoTHiNg!!!!” I’ve been grappling with flat-earthism for 2-3 weeks now (thanks alot, Peggy Hall … 🙄), and something occurs to me: Re. baptism, I know of numerous Christians on each side of the credo vs paedo debate who hold their own positions while graciously (agreeably) disagreeing with those on the other side. I KNOW OF NO PAEDOBAPTISTS WHO CALL CREDOBAPTISTS “WOLVES IN SHEEP’S CLOTHING. Same thing re. eschatology - there are lots and lots of convinced pre-, post-, and a-millennials who don’t accuse those in the other camps of being “WOLVES IN SHEEP’S CLOTHING.” Bug for some reason, almost every flat-earthist I’ve encountered holds spherists in contempt. Jesus taught that Adam and Eve were real, historical people! WHERE DID HE EVER TEACH FLAT-EARTHISM, OR THAT SPHERISTS ARE EITHER DECEIVED OR DECEIVERS??

[@Farmer4Truth]

@@PanhandleFrankI agree with your point but it goes two ways, why do I see so many comments BOTH DIRECTIONS calling each other silly names and not treating each other with love as Messiah commanded.

[@PanhandleFrank]

@@Farmer4Truth Silly names are one thing, and I getcha. But I'm not just talking about silly names here. I'm talking about flat-earthists making SERIOUS accusations re. spherists: "Deceived!! Deceivers!! WOLVES IN SHEEP"S CLOTHING!!!" "“Beware of false prophets, who come to you in sheep’s clothing, but inwardly they are ravenous wolves." ~ Jesus Christ, Mattew 7 He says nothing there about people with differing cosmology.

[@Farmer4Truth]

@@PanhandleFrank I hear ya but the other side does the same thing

[@Yashael341]

I've seen the end of a selenelion. It was partial by the time I got to witness it. I was surprised how bright the moon seemed to be when I got to see it.

[@supersilverhazeroker]

the firmament is outer space is it not? as the stars are placed in it?

[@logicianbones]

Sort of. First, "firmament" is a mistranslation. It's expanse, and the stars could be in it in that sense. However, the Genesis language may mean "in" in the same sense as our modern word "sky" as in, we see them if we look up in that direction, while the "expanse" might refer only to the atmosphere. I've looked into this in-depth and it's a bit ambiguous, but I think it includes space.

[@lifeontheroad_]

The Bible also describes it in Job and in Ezekiel as hard. What does firm mean?

[@supersilverhazeroker]

@@lifeontheroad_ i don't really know what the firmament is, but in ezekiel it's not talking about "the" firmament, but a likeness of it, presumably it's then not referring to outer space, unless it's just talking about a starry expanse or something, but he could see above it etc. i don't (at a quick glance) see anything there about it being hard though. modern translations say expanse, the dutch SV(1637) also says something to that tune. job doesn't pull up when i search for firmament in KJV pure bible search.

[@lifeontheroad_]

@@supersilverhazeroker Ezekiel 1:22. Job 37:18

[@logicianbones]

@@lifeontheroad_ Job is explicitly talking about clouds, man. Read it.

[@normahepburn1643]

If the earth was flat shouldnt the whole earth experience daytime at the same time and night time at the same time? Obviously its round.

[@joedaley1878]

Not if the sun isn't as big as thought. it shines a spotlight down on the day lit areas it is passing over.

[@ajforms4818]

Did you work that out all by yourself? Your logic is profound- ly ignorant

[@libertyresearch-iu4fy]

@@ajforms4818 No your logic is flattardian, and your words are profoundly ignorant.

[@balala4641]

@@joedaley1878 Spotlights work by blocking light from going in certain directions. From a distance, a big spotlight like that would look squished.

[@bricksandbuilds11]

No nesscicerily, there is another side to a flat earth

[@ShuwshanEmeq-xb3mk]

Lexicon :: Strong's H5377 - nāšā' Transliteration nāšā' Pronunciation naw-shaw' nâshâʼ, naw-shaw'; a primitive root; to lead astray, i.e. (mentally) to delude, or (morally) to seduce:-beguile, deceive, greatly, utterly.

[@ShuwshanEmeq-xb3mk]

@RidgewayMountainhauser They hide flat earth because it's a clock. The sun and moon move exactly a quarter turn with each phase of the moon.

[@libertyresearch-iu4fy]

Strong's H5375 nasa means to lift. The one you quoted is 'nasha'. I despise liars like you.

[@John-kj5wh]

The eclipses are a very good point as well i have not yet considered that

[@mustaffa1611]

we just had a couple selenelion eclipses this past decade where both the sun and moon are visible above the horizon during the lunar eclipse so we know for a 100% fact that the earths shadow does not cause a lunar eclipse.

[@imkingofmymind1]

I think this is part of a longer presentation by this gentleman. I have no idea how to deal with this though. It’s obviously a distraction, because there are so many much more important things to be talking about. So the question is basically, how do we keep the flat earthers from being a huge distraction, whilst not spinning our wheels trying to deal with it.

[@DivergentDroid]

Danny's Heresy is Not less important than other things, It's Way important especially for Christians because it teaches others to commit that same heresy.

[@libertyresearch-iu4fy]

@@DivergentDroid Says the cultist.

[@dustinrollings9440]

"We've always beleived that the Earth was made before the sun. Several days before the sun. That's not a problem." - Dr. Danny Faulkner

[@zerosteel0123]

That's what the Bible teaches. What's the problem?

[@IAMhassentyou]

The Bible is pretty clear on that. We are Christians who stand on the Bible. The problem is what, exactly? 🤔

[@IAMhassentyou]

On the fourth day, God created the sun, the moon and the stars. He created the earth on days 2 and 3. Genesis 1:6-13 Then God said, "Let there be a firmament in the midst of the waters, and let it divide the waters from the waters." 7 Thus God made the firmament, and divided the waters which were under the firmament from the waters which were above the firmament; and it was so. 8 And God called the firmament Heaven. So the evening and the morning were the second day. 9 Then God said, "Let the waters under the heavens be gathered together into one place, and let the dry land appear"; and it was so. 10 And God called the dry land Earth, and the gathering together of the waters He called Seas. And God saw that it was good. 11 Then God said, "Let the earth bring forth grass, the herb that yields seed, and the fruit tree that yields fruit according to its kind, whose seed is in itself, on the earth"; and it was so. 12 And the earth brought forth grass, the herb that yields seed according to its kind, and the tree that yields fruit, whose seed is in itself according to its kind. And God saw that it was good. 13 So the evening and the morning were the third day.

[@abelincoln.2064]

And it isn't. God created the Universe over 4 days ... starting day 1 with an empty Universe & Earth .. and then a bright Light .. that completely surrounding the Earth. Over four days the bright light darkened and forced the stars in the space of the Universe ... and then God created the Sun, moon and rest of the Solar System ... and put Earth into its orbit ... producing a 24 hour day and a year. The Light at Day 1 .. was all the energy & matter .... of the Universe in hollow sphere surrounding tiny Earth at the center. And over 4 days ... at greater than the speed of light ... this energy "expanded" away from the Earth forming the stars, galaxies, planets etc ... and filling the empty space of the Universe. This is why we have the redshift data and Cosmic Mircrowave background Radiate ... the flatness of the Universe ... and the same background temperature in all directions. The expansion and formation of the the objects in the Universe ... was over 4 days ... energy sphere surrounding Earth. And the Universe is not still expanding ... due death, decay & the speed of light started at the fall of Man, but Gravity that influences the the velocity of light ... was still present during the 4 day expansion. So we are seeing the remnants of 4 day expansion .. which appears to show the Universe still expanding. It is not..

[@dustinrollings9440]

@@IAMhassentyou There is ample evidence that demonstrates the sun existed first, and the earth formed millions of years later. We know how solar systems form, and it’s not planets first in the course of a few literal 24 hour periods. You have a book of spells, curses, and blood magic that tells a story.

[@SK-bw2cv]

Visibility of the Stars (AIG) Another argument involves the stars that are visible in the northern and southern parts of the sky. The North Star lies within a degree of the north celestial pole, the direction in space that the earth’s rotation points at. As the earth rotates each day, the stars, the sun, and the moon appear to spin around the north celestial pole, so the north celestial pole remains fixed in the sky. In the ancient world, many people thought that the celestial sphere rotated each day around a non-spinning earth. For our purposes here, it doesn’t matter which is the case. The north celestial pole makes an angle with the northern horizon. We call this angle the altitude of the north celestial pole. Since the North Star is so close to the north celestial pole, we can approximate the altitude of the north celestial pole with the North Star’s altitude.

[@MrFinius]

It's not about shape but it is about earth-speed and locality. I believe the third little mentioned option that fits Scripture and science ie. A geocentric universe with earth a sphere at the centre stationary with the heavenly bodies moving about the sun while the sun goes around the sun.

[@libertyresearch-iu4fy]

What?

[@user-tt8lf3fv1y]

What did esrth travel around before the sun according to genesis?

[@IAMhassentyou]

There was only one day between the two. What would it need to orbit at that point?

[@logicianbones]

You don't need the Earth going around anything before the sun. The only reason the orbit of the Earth around the sun matters is so the Earth doesn't fall INTO the sun! No sun yet, no problem. (And in case you need this clarified, that year-spin is unrelated to night and day, which just needs Earth spinning on its own axis.)

[@davidgardner863]

A planet not orbiting any star is what is called a rogue planet and it would be a frozen block of ice.

[@logicianbones]

@@davidgardner863 If the star was the only possible source of heat as opposed to an omnipotent God.

[@davidgardner863]

@@logicianbones , It sounds like you’re falling back on the “God can do anything” excuse that explains everything no matter how absurd it sounds.

[@Godblessed2]

If the earth was flat, all of the house cats would have shoved everything off by now

[@neatnateable]

Love it.

[@kimdawcatgirl]

Except the waters are held in by bounds, and cats generally don't like water.

[@libertyresearch-iu4fy]

The Earth is made of catnip, which distracts them.

[@peterjarvio8335]

On the flat earth, where everyone lives, the edge is Antarctica. Cats don't like cold weather, they would never get that close to the edge.

[@JesusSaves86AB]

When out Lord returns as the archangel Micheal, "every eye will see him"... on a ball? 🤔

[@kevinskinner4986]

Okay, but he'll be too small to see from the other side of the ocean anyways not to mention... you know.... mountains. He's going to need Miracles to be seen anyways. Is God so powerless that even a Miracle cannot let him be seen from everywhere? So.... uh...... what if he never comes back? Not much of a proof, then is it?

[@djcraigg69]

No, Jesus is NOT Michael the archangel who is a created being.

[@logicianbones]

Will TV be uninvented first?

[@roman6111]

Do your research about Flat Earth before you make a video!

[@daddy4934]

I've researched FE extensively and found out it's the dumbest hoax ever as it cannot even begin to explain anything and not even night and day cycle or a simple sunset. Try and provide the accurate FE map. If you can't then problem solved.

[@libertyresearch-iu4fy]

What an ignorant thing to say. Do your own research, skippy.

[@tjjones621]

Flatearth map reward now over $91M. I wonder what's taking so long...

[@markj2305]

Here's an easy way to solve all this, give me the dimensions of Australia. They are vastly different on the spherical vs flat models.

[@moogle_k]

They are actually identical. The "flat earth" map is just an azimuthal equidistant polar projection map. You are just distracted by the landmass distortions as the maps change from map to map to globe. It is mathematically and scientifically equivalent in regards to the coordinate sytem of longitude and latitude to the maps you use on your GPS. They are literally the exact same map, just with a different reference point and projection.

[@libertyresearch-iu4fy]

@@moogle_k Ok, give the guy the dimensions instead of spitting out more nonsense. Alternately, you could give the distances between South America, South Africa, and Australia, but you won't because you are a disingenuous liar with ZERO evidence.

[@moogle_k]

​@@libertyresearch-iu4fyYou can do his work for him or for yourself Skippy. It's not that difficult if you know how to actually read a map and mark it out. Wait a min. maybe I've giving you too much credit and this is too hard for you to verify for yourself? Here let me give you a few pointers on how you can check this for yourself. Use a string to go from the center of the Gleason map, mark it on one's side of the continent, then repeat the process on the other side. Make sure to pay attention to the coordinate data at each spot spot. Then just use the scale and conversion factor given at the bottom of the map to get your total distance between the two points. I can't do all the thinking for you trolls. At some point you have to think and do the work for yourselves or you'll just keep repeating the same old sponsored narratives. Who am I kidding, you'll continue to do that even when your corrected and then carry on as if the correction never happened.

[@kevinskinner4986]

@@moogle_k "Use a string to go from the center of the Gleason map, mark it on one's side of the continent, then repeat the process on the other side. Make sure to pay attention to the coordinate data at each spot spot. Then just use the scale and conversion factor given at the bottom of the map to get your total distance between the two points." ............ and get distances that are thousands of miles off from real-world distances, because the Gleason map increases the distance between the longitude lines as you go south, and the globe decreases as they converge. Your map is not usable for navigation, despite the fact that a Flat Earth map of a real flat Earth would have ZERO distortion because the distortion comes form trying to map it to the wrong shape. I suggest not playing soccer. I hear the fans kill players that score own goals.

[@moogle_k]

​@@kevinskinner4986Oh my... You missed the spot where you are supposed to use the conversation factor at the bottom of the map... Following the directions properly gives you the exact same data output. The only difference is the visual landmass distortion. Are you new to this topic, or just not very good at trying to ridicule while goal tending for the sponsored narratives? Either way your just sloppy misinformed and wrong.

[@zerosteel0123]

Oh boy. Here we go.

[@sliglusamelius8578]

The video is saying that the earth is a sphere, something known by all cultures since way before Christ.

[@donaldrodriguez8134]

@@sliglusamelius8578 Yeh they used what Science to prove that ? 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣 they used Horses and wagons and Feather 🪶 pens to calculate the earths shape ?

[@LindseyDisney]

The story of Noah's ark proves the earth is a sphere. The earth was flooded till every mountain was covered with water. Given that the highest points of the earth were covered with water, the ark would have floated off the edge of the earth if it were flat. But the ark did not go off of any edge, therefore the earth has no edge. Therefore the earth is not flat.

[@msquiggle3590]

​@@donaldrodriguez8134 Their eyes and their brains. "Oh look, the stars change throughout the year." "Oh look the earth casts a round shadow on the moon." "Oh look, ships disappear bottom first over the horizon." "Oh look, the constellations change depending on where on Earth you are." "Oh look, stars move counter clockwise in the northern hemisphere and clockwise in the southern." "Oh look, when it's summer in the northern hemisphere, it's winter in the southern." And on and on and on. That's without any math or measuring instruments or anything. We calculated the circumference of the Earth over 2000 years ago with 2 sticks and some shadows. We've known it's a sphere for such a long time.

[@zerosteel0123]

@@sliglusamelius8578 yes, I know 🙂

[@originaltoons]

I went to the Ark encounter last week and loved it, extremely well done and thought out! I have always been amazed with Ken Hamm always using the Bible to support his work. But I was very disappointed in 3 references to belittle the idea of what the GODs earth is. the displays just simply stated that the idea of flat earth was conjured up to make Christians look foolish and that the bible supports a sphere view, but sadly ( unlike ALL the other exhibit descriptions) the Biblical reference's were not sited. I have no idea what the true shape is, just a Christian asking questions and following Gods word. But the gentleman in the video sure seems to have a nasty attitude about people that don't fall in line. Trust GOD and HIS word no matter where it leads you!

[@lbudt29]

God is not limited. It's a sphere. JCITWTL, follow Him everyone.

[@fanbutton]

Where does God say it's a sphere?

[@ajforms4818]

@lbudt29 You're making it up, read you Bible He told us all about the the thing he built, just not all in the same place.

[@ajforms4818]

@lbudt29 what the heck is that alphabet soup? Are you trying to be the "least" in the Kingdom of Heaven? Not much gain in that, brother. If you were half as smart as you think you are, you would go back to the Bible and assemble the clues for yourself, and not say things that will cause you to be the least, in the New Kingdom.

[@fanbutton]

@@ajforms4818 My Bible tells me to beware of the ones casting the stones...hint, hint?

[@fanbutton]

@@ajforms4818 This "place he built" is nothing more than the proving grounds on which our faith in God and love for one another is tested each and every day.

[@IAMhassentyou]

"the movement is growing" I mean, how fast can it really be growing, though?

[@razark9]

It's not really growing. It had its peak around 2015 or something and has been declining, or at best plateauing in some small fringe internet circles ever since. As an oddity it had a couple minutes of mainstream attention, but was very quickly forgotten.

[@alflat885]

Enormously. Once you go flat, you never come back to the Ridiculous ball unproven theory.

[@73reneer]

​@@razark9flat earth is growing like wildfire 2024...

[@razark9]

@@alflat885 It's not growing at all. By what metric do you say it's growing? Search interest, views and subs have fallen way, way down. And I can name MULTIPLE people who left the flat earth cult.

[@razark9]

@@73reneer According to what, exactly? I haven't seen ANY indication of considerable growth since like 2015 or 2016 lol. It's been a downward trend ever since. So by what metric is it growing?

[@SK-bw2cv]

Ancient Sources (AIG) Ancient sources, such as Aristotle, also mentioned that the hulls of ships disappeared before their masts did as ships sailed away. This would happen only if the earth is spherical. Without optical aid, this is difficult to see. However, one easily can see a related effect. If one is perched atop the mast of the ship, one can spot land or other ships before people on the deck can. This is why spotters often were placed in a crow’s nest high above a ship’s deck. If the earth were flat, there would be no advantage to being above the deck. A similar thing can be observed on land. The Door Peninsula in Wisconsin forms the eastern shore of Green Bay. The distance across Green Bay from the northern portion of the Door Peninsula to Northern Michigan is more than twenty miles. Looking across Green Bay from the beach on the west side of the Door Peninsula, one cannot see Northern Michigan. However, if one ascends the bluffs above the beach, one can see the shoreline of Northern Michigan. This is possible only if the earth is spherical.

[@Nemesistyx]

Put a hot wheels on a flat desk about 4 ft long. Bring your eye down to level... The wheels start to appear hidden... So no.

[@Maxim.Teleguz]

@@Nemesistyxso many people just want to be ignorant and ignore facts it’s crazy.

[@Maxim.Teleguz]

Are you going to conduct the research 🔬 on perception or will you keep your comment up with the ignorance you are displaying.

[@Nemesistyx]

@@Maxim.Teleguz This is the world we live in... People rather feel good about their beliefs rather than actually be aligned to reality rather than copes. People dont want to really see what the world really is. They are cowards and rather Live feeling good than actually being good or doing good.

[@johnqpublic7608]

@@Nemesistyx _"The wheels start to appear hidden..."_ stop lying. why are all flattards such deceitful pieces of excrement?

[@tdublove9558]

Don't trust man seek God's word 😊( Knowledge ) know ledge is the Antarctica circle we learned about in school before it became a continent

[@johnqpublic7608]

before it became a continent? it's always been a continent.

[@tjjones621]

Flatearth map reward now over $90M. Antarctica is optional. The bible is a globe Earth book.

[@tjjones621]

@@johnqpublic7608 satanic deception runs very deep for them...

[@jonathonearl482]

I think many of us would like to see a live debate or discussion about this Flat Earth Theory between Dr. Danny Faulkner and PhD. Vincent Rhodes!

[@user-io4gk1kc4o]

The earth is flat get over it

[@bigd-ui6zs]

Its says in the Bible the earth is round! Read the Bible.

[@againsteveryoneswill1923]

Citation please.

[@lindsayball5080]

Round like a table. Not as a ball

[@bigd-ui6zs]

@@againsteveryoneswill1923 I sent it's next under your highlighted comment.

[@bigd-ui6zs]

Lol it says not implies a table Bible clearly says it's round and hung in the heavens. Reading Bible every day God gives Wisdom and understanding he opens the mind to see what was once unseen. It says this in the Bible you must study and read to be giving wisdom and knowledge this must be done first with complete willingness to receive.

[@lindsayball5080]

@bigd-ui6zs a ball is mentioned in isaiah too, the israelites were tossed like a ball into another country. How anyone can read genesis and see the kabballah globe big bang described there is beyond me. I was an atheist as I'd read the first page in genesis and it clearly doesn't describe what "science" claims .

[@SewGrannySew]

Bless his heart for preaching Gods word, but, this seriously is a pretty week debate on this subject.

[@melocruz2226]

I appreciate his conversation regarding this topic. I just find it humorous that individuals are so bent out of shape in this comment section . Whether the earth is a globe 🌎 (which I believe) or flat , our priority isn’t to sow strife against each other but to see God’s creation and declare His glory, power, and dominion over all. At the end of the day, the shape of the earth isn’t what will save you.

[@libertyresearch-iu4fy]

Flat earthers would contradict you.

[@johnqpublic7608]

mixing flattardia with christianity will only bring mockery and drive intelligent people away.

[@realno5702]

At this point, you really need to try hard to believe in a spinning ball

[@user-jh6ik1qd7p]

More like the flat earth.

[@nikorn24]

It's actually really easy when you understand that every observation we make of the earth supports the theory that it's a globe

[@realno5702]

@@user-jh6ik1qd7p Im sorry my guy, its that obv at this point botting wont change it, peoole are finding out the truth

[@realno5702]

@@nikorn24 I understand you my friend, but that is such a laughable statement, dont get me wrong but if youre being serious thinking that watching the sun rotate upon us from earth make earth a globe..they watched the sun and stars and they said their movement is a proof that they arent moving, what observation will prove you a globe? That argument is so silly it has the same power like looking at the river and saying that 'river is going in this direction because sleepy joe is farting on the other side pushing it in one direction' and then you look at the river and see it really goes in one direction and you say 'water moving in river and going in one direction is a proof of a sleepy joe farting making the water move', I hope you can see how false that way of argumentation is because you could prove literally anything you ever wanted if your way of thinking would be correct. Dont believe me just look into it, god bless

[@realno5702]

@@nikorn24 My first reply to you got deleted for some reason but let me say it again shortly, if you see a river, waters moving in one direction and you say 'water is going in this direction because ⚫ travis scott is farting on the other side of the river pushing it in this one direction' and then you watch the river and you see it really is going in the same direction you 'predicted' and you say 'yea, that makes sense, Im right, all of my predictions are true', will that make it true? Youre literally doing the same, they made a globe model looking at the sky so of course its gonna be able to make predictions as those predictions are what globe model is based and made on, of course you can predict same things with level plane model like all of the people before us did, start looking into things and challenge and question some of those lies man, god bless

[@John-kj5wh]

I respect their positions but it doesnt say it in the Bible anywhere period. Also makes no sense. Why is it daytime in australia while night in nyc? Why couldnt you see the sun over polynesia from the sears tower in chicago? Seasonal offsets as well. Different constellations between hemispheres. The shadow of the eclipse being elongated in a way only a sphere could do.

[@johnqpublic7608]

why would you respect willful ignorance?

[@logicianbones]

And even worse, their 'spotlight sun' would be reaching the whole south pole half the year, yet missing places even closer on the popular new flat circle model. So basically they need magical light-bending that happens to make everything look exactly like a sphere. Untestable ad hoc... I guess it's all an evil Spherical Earth holodeck on a flat Earth we just conveniently can't see except when temperature inversions happen LOL.

[@davidgardner863]

@@logicianbones, Do any flat earthers have an IQ above 60? I don’t think so.

[@philliprude5997]

Stars forms when material and gases come together due to gravity, it is only when conditions are right that they ignite, and voila... Let there be light. Therefore the sun could have been... long before the Earth.

[@clightning300mi]

Sirius the star

[@gggpersonal]

Yo nice to see the flat earth support guys keep it up!

[@tjjones621]

Yo, I can see your map showing...

[@gggpersonal]

I'm a bit confused...

[@gggpersonal]

Anyways, Once you go flat you never go back

[@tjjones621]

@@gggpersonal Yes. you are.

[@tjjones621]

@@gggpersonal All those guys you are cheering on... they all use the map of the globe Earth for turn by turn directions. You too... Still confused?

[@firmamentalist6167]

I soooo much expected to look in these comments and find anti-FE comments but my heart is warmed to see how many disagree with AIG on this. I supported AIG for many years, until I became FE. Now I realize that AIG is a wolf in sheep's clothing. When you preach half truths you preach no truths at all.

[@tjjones621]

You have made a grave error. You are still using the map of the globe Earth to navigate. If you think the globe is Satan's lie, you are complicit in that lie every time you need turn by turn directions...

[@johnqpublic7608]

_"my heart is warmed to see how many disagree with AIG on this."_ it warms your heart to see flattard ignorance in the comments? _"Now I realize that AIG is a wolf in sheep's clothing"_ unfortunately, you're just an ignorant dolt.

[@charlespoe5155]

Why is the compass still used today without technology. It was invented in the 12th century to navigate. I don’t have to calculate for that curve when using that.

[@firmamentalist6167]

@@tjjones621 You made an assumption of gigantic proportions that flat maps are based on a spherical earth.

[@tjjones621]

@@firmamentalist6167 It's not an assumption. You use the map of the globe Earth to drive around too... Which map do you use for turn by turn directions?

[@billbill7899]

So we are on the dark side of the moon during an eclipse I thought they would show some pic's from the bright side of the moon with the earth also in the back ground should be the easiest space Pic to achieve with out C G I just saying

[@kevinskinner4986]

Head's up, "dark side of the moon" isn't which side isn't receiving light. It's "dark" in the meaning of "unknown" because the same side always faces us. Most of the ohter moons in the solar system do the same thing. Also, it would cost them tens or hundreds of millions of dollars to send a probe up to do that and total solar eclipses aren't that rare. They happen about every year and a half.

[@tjjones621]

@@kevinskinner4986 I prefer the "far" side of the Moon. :)