Does the Bible Identify Jesus as “God the Son”?

[@nairbvel]

"Reject that, reject scripture." OK, done. :-)

[@minaguta4147]

If the "Data over Dogma" tagline doesn't work out, I recommend "Stop Retrojecting the Hypostatic Union!"

[@annaclarafenyo8185]

According to Richard Carrier, and I agree with him, "the hypostatic union" predated the gospels. The idea that this is retrojection is predicated on the assumption that Jesus was a historical figure. This assumption is not valid and distorts the interpretation of the text.

[@benjaminsaiken4851]

Isn’t the idea that the hypostatic union was before all of time an idea of the hypostatic union?

[@brentryan2047]

Data over Dogma sounds clever but what a misuse of the term data. It's being used to project a sense of authority and truth regarding Dan's videos, however very little of this is "data," as data is objective. Nearly all of his videos are theory being called data. And I would argue in fact, biased theory. For example, he selectively addresses only part of the verse in Philipians saying it's a NIV translation error to say "very nature God" but doesn't discuss the rest of the verse or the numerous occurrences in the new testament that support calling Jesus, God. For example Colossians 2:9. Or the first paragraph of Colossians.

[@vermontmike9800]

If Dr. Dan was data over dogma, he wouldn’t be Mormon.

[@MinionofNobody]

I prefer the term “hyperstatic union”. It nicely sums up the Greek philosophical concept of the unmoving mover.

[@oldcountryboy]

You would think an All-powerful God would get his message out more clearly

[@Slippery_Si]

That’s such a cope dude

[@oldcountryboy]

@@Slippery_Si That is such a cope I don't understand what you're saying

[@unknownx7252]

​@slipperysimon what?

[@jaredhutchinson4629]

I believe an all powerful god wants to see us grasp for truth and life which allows for a deeper self and more substance to our character. That’s why I believe much of human life is a struggle between good and evil, knowledge and ignorance, faith and unbelief.

[@oldcountryboy]

@@jaredhutchinson4629 Well you are allowed your opinion And you know what else another Christian will have a different opinion My opinion is God should have made it more clear so we wouldn't need your opinion You would just be able to read it Opinions Are like a******* everybody has one

[@davidanderson7389]

The new pastor of my church is a literalist, univocal, infallible, and inerrant teacher. I’m an old earth creationist and regard many passages in the Bible as mythological, allegorical, or symbolic. I’m really struggling with the sermons right now. Thanks for the teaching.

[@sweetaznspice1]

Then your pastor must necessarily condone and support slavery, hold women as subservient and not consume certain foods among a host of other social prohibitions not compatible with contemporary society, right?

[@themightycaolf6549]

Stay strong there friend. Wishing you the strength through those sermons.

[@caroldanz4279]

Love love love your site. Uber instructive! Thank you so much! ❤️😇

[@dinocollins720]

Another fantastic video! Thank you!!! This was my favorite video you've ever made so far!

[@raifkolbjornson]

So I checked my two Turkish versions and they go with Tattoo Man's reading (New Intl). Interestingly, one of my Persian versions goes against that reading, very clearly in fact, agreeing with Dan. But while I teach from that version, yet it has often struck me as a bit ... different. So I dug out my Peshitta and bingo, it is the strikingly identical to the Farsi version. Now I know why it seemed weird, it's drawing from the Peshitta. Now to go check my other 3 persian versions. Thanks Dan for this fun exercise!

[@julieelliott6309]

Thanks for generously sharing your scholarly understanding of these major biblical issues,

[@VulcanLogic]

Very interesting. I thought they had only manipulated Exodus 21:22 (between the 1978 and 1984 editions, because they'd had time to get mad about Roe). I'm shocked that people who supposedly believe in inerrancy had to make such "corrections".

[@Nudnik1]

There are hundreds of changes errors compared to original Hebrew Scripture Tanakh. Isaiah 7:14 "virgin in future tense"Just one modification church made to endorse their theology.

[@Jake-zc3fk]

Oh yea baby! Keep ‘‘em coming Dan!!

[@michaellong5714]

I am more and more enjoying your videos as I continue to follow them. I've always wondered about something, and that's change in and of languages over time, and the issue of taking a word in one language from one particular time of having it put down in writing - whether old or current - and finding a pretty much exact word in the translated into language. I somehow don't think that there is always a one to one translation where in both languages the word means EXACTLY the same to both the writer and eventual reader. Not only that, but different cultures have different inferences applied to words, and over time, even those ideas of what a word actually means can change. New words are created and old words disappear, and the meanings change with them. I'm not sure how today we can truly know an ancient language (and this is not to put Dan's work down, just to suggest that people with hardly any linguistic background seem to think they are scholars at understanding ancient words) with the subtleties that exist in any one word, that often change meanings depending on the context, location, and knowledge of both the user and listener. And yet in all hubris, we, today, feel WE are the ultimate result of all of humanity before us, and therefore WE have the ultimate knowledge and understanding of all things. No...we don't . (because the next generation will be even smarter...well, no, they won't either.) Context, education, culture, influences, all affect word meanings, and 'time' tends to affect words the most.

[@thetruthseeker9733]

Hi. You are right about how language changes over time may skew our understanding of what is written. Fortunately for us this problem is not what we have to deal with to truly understand God from scripture. However we do have to look beyond translational bias based on accepted dogma at the time of the reformation. And we do have to join some dots around what we already know. For example the Jews would not call God YHWH because that name was too holy to use. So what did they call Him? Well they just referred to Him as - the divine one. Yes The Divine One. Let me justify two things here from this statement. Look at Strongs look at Vines you will see the word god/theos means divine. Divine is not a name. Divine is a category just like feline canine equine and bovine are. So to not use His name the Jews just referred to YHWH as the divine or the divine one. Now to the next point. Look at John 1 1 in the original Greek you will see that the translators fail to translate and include the greek word THE in front of the word god/theos/divine. Why did they not translate the THE, well because to say "THE God" sounds strange to our western language rules. Why because we incorrectly and inaccurately use and think of the word god/theos/diviine as a name when it isn't. So lets look at John 1 1 again. Lets look again at the verse that is the holy grail of trinity justification. What we are actually going to find is that John 1 1 is the holy grail of trinity destruction when translated correctly. Now lets look at it. In the beginning was the word and the word was with The Divine One and the word was divine . The same was in the beginning with The Divine One. So we see when we understand the word theos and we include all the greek words that should be included in John 1 1 that it reads quite fifferently to what we are used to. If these comments have whet your appetite to learn more about accurately looking at scripture go to lampandlightpathways on YT for more. Regards.

[@MrWorldchamp1]

GREAT VIDEO SIR KEEP THE TRUTH COMING

[@albertadlg]

Hi Dan, what a phenomenal commentary on this subject! My blinders came off when I started to study the Bible for myself in 2017. I was a trinitarian all my life 😮. Nowhere in Scripture was Jesus ever identified as God the Father, contrary to the popular believe He said : 'The Father is greater than I...No-one is good except the Father...The head of the house is the man, the head of man is Christ and the head of Christ is the Father. The law says two witnesses must testify. I testify of myself and the Father testifies of me.' When He was crucified , they asked what He was accused of and He said : I am the Son of the Father. When he asked Simon Peter in Matthew 16 : 'Who do you say I am. Peter answered , you are the Son of the Living God. Jesus answered , you did not receive it by blood and flesh, but the Father revealed it to you." John 1:1 does not reveal that Jesus is the Father. It reveals that He has authority over a certain group of people. The words used is John is theos and theon, the Greek equivalent of Elohim. So in the New Testament Satan is also called theos. We are called by Jesus Theoi in Matthew. In Exodus 7:1 Moses is called Elohim and the council in heaven is called Elohim in Psalm 82:6. So are these subjects God the Father too? No, off coarse not. They just had authority over a group of people (hiarchy). Like Satan is the God of this world for instance. Then we go back to the Tanack, to see what Scripture (text ) reveal about the Son. It says in Psalm 2 that He is different from the Father. They are 2 beings. The Father and His annointed one. Then you look at Proverbs, once again it alutes to 2 different beings. Who made the heavens and who is His Son. Then you look at Daniel 7, once again 2 different beings. The Son of Man on the clouds goes to The Ancient of Days and receives dominion from Ancient of Days over the Earth. Then you look at Ezekiel 34:24 and 37:24. Once again, you see two different beings. The king (Father) and one Shepard (David). And so it goes on and on and on... If we look at history, pre Jesus...most of the Ancient regions believed in 3 God's, Babylonia, India, Egypt and even Greece. In the 4th century BC Aristotle wrote, we must worship our Gods in 3, for as the Pythagoreans say, everything and all things are bounded by threes. God says in Deutronomy 6:4 He is one and there in NONE beside him. This was an invention of the Council of Nicaea in 325 AD. The thought that Jesus was not God, pre-exsisted prior to Arian. The term was only labeled then and then every one else that challenged that thought , was now a heretic. So by 381AD Arianism died out. We have inherited lies by our fathers and only the true remnant will come out of this lies, and search for the TRUTH!!! Cognitive disonance is a big problem in today's Church Age.

[@justdavelewis]

So while i have a completely different experience to you, I love the wording you chose. "My blinders came off" I was raised JW and the term used in the Ex-JW community for those who have left is "waking up" and i think it's evoking the same kind of feeling that you are:) My deconversion was when I learned about Evolution in school and i realised that it was real and the church was really misrepresenting it. When you're in these religions you sincerely believe you;re looking at them objectively, but in fact we are not. If you can't read old hebrew/greek, the only real way to do that is to get a good translation (NRSV or CEV or something along those lines) and read all of it without trying to harmonise it with books from all over the place. As for cognitive dissonance, the term actually came about as a result of research into failed apocalyptic and alien cults! There was a known phenomenon where believers would rally harder when a prophecy didn't come true, rather than being discouraged, and a failed prediction is where I believe the JWs and 7th day adventists came from. JWs kept making apocalyptic predictions, with a notable one being 1975. That of course never happened but they tried to cover it up to new members now which is WILD. Even though you can read publications from them explicitly saying the end will come in 1975, people sold all their possessions and everything only to be left with nothing.

[@sunshowerpainting1]

Dan........You are so much smarter than the other youtubers. It's just not fair!

[@musikinspace]

That's great, but don't tell that man because he definitely needs to be going to church

[@20quid]

What makes you say that?

[@bobsmith-hd2zr]

@@20quid looks and sounds like a junkie

[@guxt65]

I thought exactly the same!!!lol

[@GoldenEmperor5Manifest]

In truth, I'd recommend something like Pure Land Buddhism to a guy like that. If he feels like he needs a Dogma then let's simplify it to an almost exact 1 to 1 scenario of a savior figure who will fix everything (Amitabha) and someone compassionate to make his life easy (Guan Yin). Then with a little mindfulness, he'd probably be good,. Yeah, he clearly did drugs, ran with gangs, probably had a rough past and needs a forgiveness doctrine. Now that I think about it, this is just the lazy way of overcoming deep seeded guilt. Instead of becoming a public servant, he'd rather preach but still get in people's faces about it if they don't agree.

[@robithesir]

@@GoldenEmperor5Manifest Why r u so bitter, let the man live

[@challstrom2331]

Much appreciated work 🙌🏼

[@calanm7880]

I appreciate the passion of the original poster as I once loved this kind of doctrine. I really love the dude’s camera work going from him face on to his POV bible & Sharpie - that’s shooting & editing done really well and v engaging along with the energy. That said, thanks again Dan

[@DRayL_]

Ugh, I really have a problem with the "tough guy, alpha male, hyper arrogant" type, such as this guy Dan is answering.

[@reap1984]

Thanks for complicating this further for me

[@archivist17]

An interesting analysis. Thanks.

[@aspectsreflections9420]

I’m Greek, and I’ve read the Greek bible. When I hear mono/genesis/theos. I break it down as I just did. Mono= only, single, one. Genesis= born, is born, birthed by… Theos= God, and everything that is identified, not of a man made deity, but life itself (pneuma) spirit. To bring it into context…one born of God, or…born of God, or only God born. Pretty much the 2nd psalm.

[@aspectsreflections9420]

@gekksvide0 typo, monogenis. Apologies. Really respect your views. My comment I guess is more dumb down and not from an educational point. I have no background or study. I’m just looking at what the words mean to me. Obviously it’s not from an academic point of view, just an opinion. I wouldn’t dare claim it from an educational point, I don’t have the credentials. My apologies. I really do value your opinion.

[@aspectsreflections9420]

@gekksvide0 I see a paradox here. that I don’t see the difference of what is meant by one of a kind reproduction of God, and only begotten son of God it’s just words being rearranged the grand paradox of all things. I really don’t see a difference. And I’m not saying this to be ignorant and rude, or trying to sound as though I know something more than someone else. I just don’t see the difference between one of a kind and only begotten I think they mean the same thing.

[@aspectsreflections9420]

@gekksvide0 that’s why I appreciate it as a work of fiction with truth hidden in it like a parable or fable, to be seen when it’s seen and heard when it’s heard. But we do the same thing with comic books. Anyways, there are whole departments of scientist working on trying to figure out exactly how strong mathematically Superman is, or exactly how smart mathematically Batman is. So you see we’ve involved ourselves with fiction and made it a part of our reality and in all honesty it’s all just fiction and it’s open for interpretation there’s no logic behind trying to figure out the reality of a fictional character in a comic book, and the reality of a fictional character to this day that cannot be proven in a Bible that has been shoved down our throats, and we can’t appreciate it from the perspective of art imagination, and pure fiction.

[@narminagasimova1952]

@gekksvide0 Unique son translation is much better than the only begotten. Unique is matchless, there is noboby like him.

[@truthbebold4009]

​@@narminagasimova1952 Jesus being the only begotten Son of God makes Him unique.

[@jeffreyluciana8711]

Matthew 3:16-17 16 As soon as Jesus was baptized, he went up out of the water. At that moment heaven was opened, and he saw the Spirit of God descending like a dove and alighting on him. 17 And a voice from heaven said, “This is my Son, whom I love; with him I am well pleased."

[@karekarenohay4432]

Quite funny that after such display of miraculous power on God's part, the baptizer didn't know who the hell was that guy, as in Matthew 11:2, "When John, who was in prison, heard about the deeds of the Messiah, he sent his disciples to ask him, “Are you the one who is to come, or should we expect someone else?”. The same John that supposedly said to his disciples in John 1:29: "The next day John saw Jesus coming toward him and said, “Look, the Lamb of God, who takes away the sin of the world!" With the Bible in your hand, you can prove Jesus is God and he's not God, that there is Heaven and Hell in the afterlife and that there is not, that there is resurrection of the body and that there is not, and so on...

[@randallwittman2720]

Matthew 28:18 English Standard Version 18 And Jesus came and said to them, “All authority in heaven and on earth has been given to me. If Jesus is higher than Jehovah why did He have to be “given” any authority? Who gives Jesus that authority?? Philippians 2:9-11 ESV 9 Therefore God has highly exalted him and bestowed on him the name that is above every name, 10 so that at the name of Jesus every knee should bow, in heaven and on earth and under the earth, 11 and every tongue confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father.

[@randykrus9562]

God's guidebook for humanity.....clear as mud. No confusion whatsoever.....

[@royalcreations3970]

Love your Data over Dogma approach. It would be even simpler if people took the time to understand simple Aramaic idioms and metaphors, let alone the Semitic culture the Bible comes from.

[@LionelCartwright]

Thank you, Dan, for continually putting yourself out there, along with your hard earned knowledge. Much appreciated.

[@christasimon9716]

So... God/Jesus was praying to Himself? Does God/Jesus answer His own prayers? And why would God/Jesus even need to pray to begin with? Wouldn't He just be able to _do_ whatever, without resorting to prayer? And why would God/Jesus forsake God/Jesus? [Mark 15: 34, Matthew 27: 46] How would that even work?

[@STAYDIVINE1111]

“But each in his own order: Christ the first fruits, then those who are Christ’s [own will be resurrected with incorruptible, immortal bodies] at His coming. After that comes the end (completion), when He hands over the kingdom to God the Father, after He has made inoperative and abolished every ruler and every authority and power. For Christ must reign [as King] until He has put all His enemies under His feet. The last enemy to be abolished and put to an end is death. For He (the Father) has put all things in subjection under His (Christ’s) feet. But when He says, “All things have been put in subjection [under Christ],” it is clear that He (the Father) who put all things in subjection to Him (Christ) is excepted [since the Father is not in subjection to His own Son]. However, when all things are subjected to Him (Christ), then the Son Himself will also be subjected to the One (the Father) who put all things under Him, so that God may be all in all [manifesting His glory without any opposition, the supreme indwelling and controlling factor of life].” ‭‭1 Corinthians‬ ‭15‬:‭23‬-‭28‬ ‭AMP‬‬

[@SalimShaikh-vt3it]

Jesus is not a son of god god create adam as also without father or mother there is no other god except one allah allah have no partner Mohammad esha as prophet messenger of allah so pray to allah not jesus beleive in akhirat after the dead judgement day ok

A bishop in my area who fiercely claims that Jesus is God was unable to answer my question of where was the presence of the other God (Jesus) during the old testament period. Jesus himself said that he does everything through the one who sent him. God is only one and we cannot weaken him by saying that he came down to our level on earth.

[@PreshR-P]

Somehow this video increased my faith just a little bit more. I actually enjoyed this content, education from a different point of view without. disrespect. 👏🏾👏🏾

[@GoldenEmperor5Manifest]

You know, it's funny and I say this because my brother is just like this guy and I've met with/worked with so many others. It's always these dudes who went to jail, had terrible drug habits, ran with gangs, didn't finish grade school and who lost hope in legitimately every other part of their life who push Christianity in the most overconfident, ignorant and belligerent of ways. These guys, who barely read mind you, will overconfidently and even arrogantly say to a Ph.D. in disciplines like Dan's or others like Richard Carrier or anybody else that doesn't agree with them, that those doctors have no clue what they're talking about. These guys will legit talk like the most street smart, smooth dudes no doubt while they tell you emphatically what the Bible says and how the scholar with the doctorate has no clue what they're talking about. It's that emphasis when they just get some verse that they like and they say it so unbelievably arrogantly. Sorry Dan, it's just legit, my brother has been in and out of jails and running with gangs, drugging it up for decades and he's just like this. I had an ex co-worker with a "ministry" (they all have ministries) who also did the same stuff as my brother. They all found Jesus and Jesus was the only thing that saved them from that life. I just wish these guys were strong enough to realize, they saved themselves from that life. All they had to do was find something positive to imagine. It shouldn't be their mission to try to pin everybody else down and force feed their mythology. We need way more addiction recovery houses ran by skeptics, atheists or even buddhists seriously. Get these guys on a different track than proselytizing and becoming the most arrogant, clearly illiterate apologists out there. Well, I say that, but then there's Ray Comfort so... I guess these guys are pretty smart by comparison.

[@emptyhand777]

It seems these people use religion as a replacement addiction. They are addicts, their new drug is Jesus love.

[@truthbebold4009]

Carrier doesn't have a clue.

[@robithesir]

I've never seen a more rude comment on youtube. U take first place

[@emptyhand777]

@@robithesir - you must be new to KZbin.

[@robithesir]

@@emptyhand777 funny thing is that I've been here for like 10 years. I guess it's coz I'm a Christian and I understand God's saving grace and to see a man who most likely had a horrible past now follow Christ get slandered is genuinely heartbreaking

[@seankasabuske1986]

Just a thought: MONOGENES means "only, unique, one-of-a-kind," so another possibility is to go with the rendering, "the unique god," which wouldn't be attended by any obvious difficulties in an ancient Jewish context, a context within which the "two powers" theology likely emerged. The idea of two powers was deemed heretical later, probably in the second century, but John was probably written in the first century.

[@sugarfrosted2005]

I've tried reading that version before. It really clearly adds unintended meeting even if you're a lay person.

[@kennethchmiel8817]

The question about the meaning of " form" in phil. Is how would the Jewish Paul be using the word. Dan references possible usages from the Greco/Roman world and a commentary but that hardly settles the issue. In fact it reveals how he is interpreting Paul, there is a school of thought that reads paul through the lens of hellenistic thought, but this isn't the consensus, there are many options in trying to situate Paul. It would be more honest for Dan to nuance his responses.

[@bzfgt1]

I don't know biblical Greek at all (or any Greek, really) but "morphe" in Aristotle could be reasonably translated "very nature" (usually translated "form" not as something's shape, but its essence or "what"). Any chance it's used in the same way here?

[@jollyrancher521]

The Greek word for "form" is _morphe._ It basically means “nature; appearance; shape; likeness.” Philippians 2:6 says that Jesus is “in the form of God”, meaning that Jesus is a spirit just as God is a spirit. It does not mean that Jesus is “in very nature God” as the NIV translates it. _Morphe_ is also used in Philippians 2:7, where it says that Jesus “took the form of a servant, being born in the likeness of men.” (ESV)

[@yiyidatar4489]

Thanks you !

[@randallwittman2720]

Matthew 13:24-30 King James Version 24 Another parable put he forth unto them, saying, The kingdom of heaven is likened unto a man which sowed good seed in his field: 25 But while men slept, his enemy came and sowed tares among the wheat, and went his way. 26 But when the blade was sprung up, and brought forth fruit, then appeared the tares also. 27 So the servants of the householder came and said unto him, Sir, didst not thou sow good seed in thy field? from whence then hath it tares? 28 He said unto them, An enemy hath done this. The servants said unto him, Wilt thou then that we go and gather them up? 29 But he said, Nay; lest while ye gather up the tares, ye root up also the wheat with them. 30 Let both grow together until the harvest: and in the time of harvest I will say to the reapers, Gather ye together first the tares, and bind them in bundles to burn them: but gather the wheat into my barn.

[@letsomethingshine]

Also, the author of the pseudo epigraphic al book “letter to Timothy” could mean that, glory aside, Jesus means GodSaves same as Joshua means YahSaves and Hosea means Savior. So then “Joshua/Yeshua” means literally GodSavior which was a common Jewish name.

[@letsomethingshine]

Of course the implication in joining the names was Yah(weh)=Savior

[@thomashewlett3166]

I know this isn't as simple a question as it sounds, but what do you consider the most accurately translated Bible?

[@jpizzleforizzle]

I came here to ask this. In years past my go to translation was the New Oxford for the plethora of footnotes. But now Im thinking there's probably a better option for study.

[@reaurt]

@@jpizzleforizzle In other videos, Dan recommends the NRSV Updated Edition or the New Oxford Annotated (5th Ed). Those translations, for English, are the most up-to-date and accurate according to the academic perspective. The New Oxford is best for critical study.

[@jpizzleforizzle]

@@reaurt noice. thanks!

[@benjamintrevino325]

Per Wikipedia (take that for what it's worth): Modern critical editions incorporate ongoing scholarly research, including discoveries of Greek papyrus fragments from near Alexandria, Egypt, that date in some cases within a few decades of the original New Testament writings.[28] Today, most critical editions of the Greek New Testament, such as UBS4 and NA27, consider the Alexandrian text-type corrected by papyri, to be the Greek text that is closest to the original autographs. Their apparatus includes the result of votes among scholars, ranging from certain {A} to doubtful {E}, on which variants best preserve the original Greek text of the New Testament. Critical editions that rely primarily on the Alexandrian text-type inform nearly all modern translations (and revisions of older translations). For reasons of tradition, however, some translators prefer to use the Textus Receptus for the Greek text, or use the Majority Text which is similar to it but is a critical edition that relies on earlier manuscripts of the Byzantine text-type. Among these, some argue that the Byzantine tradition contains scribal additions, but these later interpolations preserve the orthodox interpretations of the biblical text-as part of the ongoing Christian experience-and in this sense are authoritative. Distrust of the textual basis of modern translations has contributed to the King-James-Only Movement. * The bottom line is that no matter which version one is reading, it is a publication that has been filtered through someone somewhere. Because of that, they're all babble if you ask me, and we all know who is responsible for babble.

[@Solom0n2]

I have the NRSV 1980 And it says "It is God the only Son," And has the bracket at the bottom

[@STROND]

NOWHERE does the Bible call Jesus "God the holy son" the NRSV is a corrupt translation

[@faruqueshaikh6631]

God had no son god create Adam as also without father or mother there is no other god except one allah allah have no partner Mohammad esha as prophet messenger of allah so pray to allah not jesus beleive in akhirat after the dead judgement day ok

[@davidallison9499]

In the Bible, there are verses that explicitly state that Jesus is God. One of the clearest declarations is in John 1:1, "In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God." This verse refers to Jesus as the Word who is God. Another verse is in Colossians 2:9, "For in Christ all the fullness of the Deity lives in bodily form." These verses affirm the divinity of Jesus as God incarnate. Many bright scholars believe Jesus was God and part of the Trinity. Dan needs to debate William Craig Wallace or Greg Koukl (or numerous others) on these topics. Let’s see where the evidence leads us. I enjoy Dan, follow Dan and appreciate his criticisms of the Christian faith. He makes me think and read counter arguments to his views. So far my research supports the views of Classic Christianity.

[@nedcassley5169]

Only in "John" is it suggested that Jesus is God or even eternal. Nowhere is Jesus alleged to have said, "I am God." but he is supposed to have clearly distinguished himself from God on multiple occasions. God is omniscient, but Jesus says he doesn't know when the Son of Man will appear [it could have been that very day, week, month, year, or decade, -- but soon], and says that he shouldn't be called "good" because only God is good.

[@jollyrancher521]

In John 1:1 there are two occurrences of the Greek noun "theos" (god). The first theos is preceded by the definite article "ho". When the noun has a definite article, it points to a distinct identity, in this case Almighty God. However, the second "theos", referring to the Word, does not have the definite article. Many scholars agree that the fact that the second theos does not have a definite article points not to the identity of the Word but to a characteristic or quality of the Word, that the Word is "divine", "a god", “god-like”, but not Almighty God ("ho theos"). Note also that John 1:1 says that "the Word was with God". Someone who is with another person is not the same as that other person. The Greek word “theotetos” in Colossians 2:9 is translated “fullness of the Godhead” in the King James Version. However, according to Liddell and Scott’s Greek-English Lexicon, “theotetos” means “divinity” or “divine nature.” The fact that Christ possesses “divine nature” or the quality of “divinity” does not mean that Christ is God himself. It means that all of the excelling qualities that God the Father possesses also dwell in Christ. If Jesus is God, why does Colossians 3:1 say that Christ is “seated at the right hand of God”?

[@nedcassley5169]

Where in Scripture do bright scholars find Yahweh saying that He is part of a Trinity? There's no evidence that Jesus or anyone else in his world believed in a triune God.

[@letstalkbiblewithshun.s]

Why did person one of the trinity, say that person 2 of the trinity is the only true God. 👇 John 17:3 King James Version 3 And this is life eternal, that they might know thee the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom thou hast sent.

[@davidallison9499]

@@letstalkbiblewithshun.s In the Bible, Jesus, who is the second person of the Trinity, affirmed the oneness of God with the Father, who is the first person of the Trinity. In John 17:3, Jesus prayed to the Father, saying, "And this is eternal life, that they know you, the only true God, and Jesus Christ whom you have sent." This statement emphasizes the unity of the Father and the Son in the Godhead while also highlighting the unique relationship between them. Jesus, as the Son, acknowledges the Father as the only true God, affirming the monotheistic nature of God.

[@toniacollinske2518]

Ooo Dan stirring up the radical trinitarian pot.

[@gdevelek]

9:00 I'm all in favor of "data over dogma", but the probability that "Jesus Christ" is referring to the "glory" of the L and S and not THE "L and S" is so remote it's non existent.

[@Dreamcaster06]

Why?

[@annakimborahpa]

Hebrews 1:1-8 (KJV): "God, who at sundry times and in divers manners spake in time past unto the fathers by the prophets, Hath in these last days spoken unto us by his Son, whom he hath appointed heir of all things, by whom also he made the worlds; Who being the brightness of his glory, and the express image of his person, and upholding all things by the word of his power, when he had by himself purged our sins, sat down on the right hand of the Majesty on high; Being made so much better than the angels, as he hath by inheritance obtained a more excellent name than they. For unto which of the angels said he at any time, Thou art my Son, this day have I begotten thee? And again, I will be to him a Father, and he shall be to me a Son? And again, when he bringeth in the firstbegotten into the world, he saith, And let all the angels of God worship him. And of the angels he saith, Who maketh his angels spirits, and his ministers a flame of fire. But unto the Son he saith, Thy throne, O God, is for ever and ever: a sceptre of righteousness is the sceptre of thy kingdom." And if the King James Bible was good enough for Joseph Smith, then that's good enough for me.

[@jstenuf]

I just have to say that some of these intros where I must listen to such triggering explosions . . . I just can't stay

[@jarenfromvenus]

I think it hurts for people to unlearn without taking it personally or learn without being arrogant. We can’t have these necessary dialogues because of peoples lack of ability to say “I could be wrong” or “I’m still learning”.

[@anitareasontobelieve378]

I don't think that man knows what ,"fully" means. Bible also says Moses saw God btw. Lies upon lies.

[@WTL]

1 Corinthians 1:18-20 For the message about the cross is foolishness to those who are perishing, but to us who are being saved it is the power of God. For it is written, “I will destroy the wisdom of the wise, and the intelligence of the intelligent I will confound.” Where is the wise person? Where is the scribe? Where is the debater of this age? Has not God made foolish the wisdom of the world?

[@JosephBurke-d6l]

what do people not get about Yeshua being the Son of God in the literal sense born in the flesh not of the will of it but the will of God who is a spirit....

[@Lindaeditz8]

Because it don't make sense,frankly if want to copy Greco-Roman mythology than that's your perogative,ust don't expect all others to follow suit

[@HeywoodJablowme222]

We don’t get it because it’s not true. He never credibly claimed to be God, to his credit. The decision to firmly decide he’s the ACTUAL God was made hundreds of years later.

[@nathanparrott247]

It irritates me that the bible has been disseminated as this perfect, unblemished work of god. Smh 😢

[@nathanparrott247]

@@DBPCINC I cant deny that there are lessons to be learned... I think most of those lessons can be more safely learned on saturday mornings from the looney tunes

[@greglogan7706]

@Dan I don't get any sense that Paul is envisioning some sort of divine intermediary and suggest that such a notion stretches paul's use of the term morphe vastly too far.

[@kpbear13]

God I love your channel

[@Haywood2]

The way the man said it sounds like Buddhism. From the buddhist point of view God is not the creator of the world but the human being who leads in that state. So God is human concept which is the idea of perfection which human being struggle to achieve.

[@theoutspokenhumanist]

An excellent video and clear explanation, as always. However, my answer to this 'colourful' gentleman would simply be, yes, I reject scripture, along with everything else written by various men.

[@DasWortwurdeFleisch]

I object that Ph 2 is an incarnation hymn. It speaks of Christ’s death (emptied himself). I disagree that heauton ekenosen is qualified by labon morphe duolu and genomenos en homoiomati anthropos genomenon. Rather, those are actions anterior to ekenosen, so they describe what happened before this emptying took place. Similar grammar is found in Gal 4:4 (God sent forth his son - aorist indicative - having come out of a woman - aorist participle - God sent his Son who came out of Mary - sent at roughly 30 years of age, not from heaven to earth. John B Lounibos also finds this to be the case in Ph 2 in his book Kenosis and the self emptying of Christ. Incarnation is being read into the text.

[@matthewparsons9407]

Hey Dan, like your work. What does this text mean? Is this Jesus calling himself God or just another renegotiation of the text? John 8:58 Jesus said to them, “Truly, truly, I say to you, before Abraham was, I am.”

[@TacticusPrime]

It's an assertion of Jesus' divine pre-existence, who has transformed himself into a man. You see this at the very beginning of John where "The Word" exists from the very beginning of Creation. The author of John positions "The Word" as a sort of demiurge, the actor and force of Creation, as a response to Neoplatonists and Gnostics. That is, God the Father can remain transcendent and ineffable while "The Word" carries out Creation. Contra the Gnostics, the author argues that this Creation was good and according to the wishes of God the Father. Note that this is specific to John. The other gospels do not take this divine pre-existence stance.

[@Nathanielofficials]

The Bible calls Jesus an angel repeatedly (Malachi 3, LXX Isaiah 9:6, and many think he was the angel of the Lord) So.. the word 'am' was translated from a Greek word that also means 'exist' ... so it means that he existed before Abraham.

[@davidjanbaz7728]

@@Nathanielofficials Genesis 19:24 here the pre- incarnate Jesus is the visible YHWH of 2 YHWH's in that verse in the context of just having talked to Abraham and Sarah in the preceding chapters. He was called a man just like the other 2 angels in their physical manifestation to Abraham and Sarah. He is also called the Man of God in Judges ch.13.

[@sharonmarie5468]

I AM was what the lord the creator said he was called. So my understanding is he didn’t say before Abraham was I but rather he said was Am I and who in scripture refers to AM I ? But only the creator one true god himself? I understand all the confusion but I guess that why reading the entirety of it and relating past scripture text with other parts makes it a bit less confusing

[@jollyrancher521]

Jesus' words in John 8:58 have been misinterpreted to mean that Jesus is claiming to be Jehovah of the Old Testament. Jesus is talking about his prehuman existence, not claiming to be God. The Greek expression in this verse (ego eimi) is very different from the Hebrew expression found in Exodus 3:14 where Jehovah says, “I am who I am” or, according to some versions, "I will be what I will be." Some Bibles correctly translate Jesus' words in John 8:58 to proper English as "Before Abraham existed, I have been" or "I existed before Abraham was born." In fact, in John 17:3, Jesus referred to his Father in prayer as the “only true God.”

[@AlexLee-tk3is]

I see The Main Dan is wearing a Lobo shirt.

[@pshayes]

I really wish you tagged these people in your responses. None of these people are educated in scripture, and just take a text that was translated and retranslated a hundred times over the centuries, at face value, and trust the translators to not have agendas. Your channel is the reason I'm not religious. If God created all these books with so many flaws in interpretation, then he must not be as powerful as his books say, or the Bible is just a fairy tale.

[@trevorprice2490]

IMO scripture doesn't need to be perfect, univocal, or even unambiguously authoritative and articulate in order to help us seek the divine or find meaning in life. I find it sad that some people argue so incessantly that scripture is or must be infallible, because it so obviously isn't, and it was never meant to be.

[@emptyhand777]

​@@trevorprice2490- people need to take a deep breath and realize there were Christians running around practicing Christianity decades before the New Testament was written. Maybe there is more to Christianity than was is in the NT.

[@dorothysay8327]

This is an absurdist jump in logic. Please see the podcast ‘The Bible for Normal People”. One doesn’t have to be an inerrantist (treating the biblical text as an idol, tbh) to see Scripture as the Word of God.

[@dorothysay8327]

I do wish you’d turn that high-power critical lense? On bogus Mormon texts. That should keep you real busy.

[@__Ben777__]

He can never debunk that the charlatan Joseph Smith's 'translations' are a proven hoax, and the mormon religion is as made up as scientology

[@jtm_h]

*You call me ‘Teacher’ and ‘Lord,’ and rightly so, for that is what I am. John 13.13*

[@rimmersbryggeri]

Shouldnt Bar-Abbas be god the son really? Since the "name" Jesus is some times attached to that epithet? Is this not just a continuation of the polemics between El believers and JHWHists. The Jews chose the son of the father over The Anointed is there not some symbolism in that story? I kind of prefer if "jesus" is not attatched to Barabbas since the conflict is much clearer that way assuming that Jesus mean Yah delivers and not just an Nondescript god delivers. A video of yours I saw yesterday concerning the "True name of god" made me somewhat doubtful about that.

[@sharonmarie5468]

When Jesus said I am in the Farther and he in me and if you send me you see the father Men were made in the image of god as in his character/emotions and such not look like him but rather we feel like he does So to know Jesus was to know god Also when a man leaves his family and becomes one with his wife Does that make them the same person as well? No But rather they became one in unity As that Jesus and anyone who follows god becomes one with him in unity People should read all of Isaiah’s chapters than go back to read the New Testament This is one big deceptive mess But once you learn the truth it will set you free

[@gilgamesh7652]

You mean Isaiah 53? The same Isaiah 53 that if it's read it in the context of the whole book of Isaiah you understand that is about the nation of Israel and not a person

[@HeywoodJablowme222]

A lot of the case for Yeshua being God himself hinges on whether you even give credibility (vis-a-vis its fidelity to the words of Yeshua himself) to the Gospel of John, or any of the Johannine literature - Inc. the Book of Revelation. The various Johannine communities collated their stories much later, in (IMO) a blatant attempt to promote the divinity of Yeshua as a competitive measure to heighten his profile over time. The case for any reference to Yeshua as God in any of the earlier Synoptic Gospels - or in particular Mark, which was the basic source material for the others - is much, much weaker.

[@Apologia14]

So what does he think “morphe” means then? Jesus did not have a human nature either? What was he?

[@brandoncloud300]

I’m confused about the nuance of “glory”. What’s the meaning of Jesus being the “glory”?

[@Dreamcaster06]

He is a demonstration of God´s might and goodness etc. He manifests God´s power to perform miracles which shows the greatness/glory of God.

[@randallwittman2720]

DUNNIN - KRUGER EFFECT 😢😢

[@MindyerOwnbidness]

If God does not exist in 3 separate persons as you state how would you mitigate 1 John 5:7 - For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one. Thank you God bless

[@mooshei8165]

That verse was inserted later and was never in the original manuscript. Even prostitute story as inserted.

[@MindyerOwnbidness]

ai you sure are busy attempting to cast doubt on scripture. I can give you something to keep u busy.

[@mooshei8165]

@@MindyerOwnbidness what?

[@mooshei8165]

@@MindyerOwnbidness go look it up. It was inserted later🤦🏽‍♂️

[@letstalkbiblewithshun.s]

Husband and wife are one.

[@PeterInya]

Eight days later, his disciples were inside again, and Thomas was with them. Although the doors were locked, Jesus came and stood among them and said, “Peace be with you.” Then he said to Thomas, “Put your finger here, and see my hands; and put out your hand, and place it in my side. Do not disbelieve, but believe.” Thomas answered him, “My Lord and my God!” Jesus said to him, “Have you believed because you have seen me? Blessed are those who have not seen and yet have believed.” Yep, no mention of Christ being God in the New Testament. Good catch.

[@atwaterkent911]

So confusing. God is One. Period. Man (or any created thing) cannot be God. But the C's continue to head down the rabbit hole of the Trinity...

[@glennsolis9852]

this is a great video and response but kindly fix your audio... my volume is already in full and it's hard to understand you when you speak in that low tone of yours.

[@barnaclelevi]

The aramaic; son of god = disciple of God. the word used is mar'a or in hebrew , maran. The translator should have wrote the correct translation Disciple instead of Son. this same case where they got wine mixed up with fine pure grape juice, and were too tipsy to do their translation accurately..

[@faruqueshaikh6631]

God had no son god create Adam as also without father or mother there is no other god except one allah allah have no partner Mohammad esha as prophet messenger of allah so pray to allah not jesus beleive in akhirat after the dead judgement day

[@toney5173]

I love this channel

[@kevantorrance4342]

To Dan,, do you believe that Jesus is God????

[@Meshalleez]

You have no idea what you are talking about. Your problem is that you are always trying to understand God intellectually.

[@Nirvanalove1]

I really LOVE how these type of people only know how to use John and some of Paul. Astounding.

[@sharonmarie5468]

The book of Isaiah if read and studied will reveal the mystery of this confusion All of the chapters must be read and underline words of who god says he is and reading about there righteous man the servant who knew he was predestined to save gods people This is why not just the New Testament but also the old must be read and studied

[@tonyschumacher-jones1540]

I’m shocked. Is the whole Christian belief a con? I know con is inflammatory, but where does this leave people like me who want to find God?

[@ErraticFaith]

What do you want to believe.

[@zombine555]

Put bluntly, there is no solid evidence for the claims of christianity, as of yet. Could change, tho.

[@mr.zafner8295]

Hey, I'm not going to ask you to do this for me as a favor, but I would really appreciate it if genuine scholars like yourself would stop referring to the author of the book of John as "John" and say instead "the author of the book of John." This custom is a very convenient verbal shortcut for people who understand what you're saying already, but the confusion that you're trying to dispel here is actually fed by the convention you're using and I for one would appreciate it if you academics would cut it out. Thanks, and I'm sorry to be overstepping my bows here; I get that I'm just a layman. I just think it's adding to the confusion. Really enjoy your videos. Please keep up the good work

[@KaijuOfTheOpera]

The only person confused is you.

[@mr.zafner8295]

@@KaijuOfTheOpera Have you ever actually talked to a Christian person?

[@KaijuOfTheOpera]

@@mr.zafner8295 I use to be one for 20 years.

[@barnaclelevi]

Exact translation from aramaic: ܘܡܸܠܬ݂ܵܐ ܒܸ݁ܣܪܵܐ ܗܘܵܐ ܘܲܐܓܸ݁ܢ ܒ݁ܲܢ ܘܲܚܙܲܝܢ ܫܘܿܒ݂ܚܹܗ ܫܘܿܒ݂ܚܵܐ ܐܲܝܟ݂ ܕ݁ܝܼܚܝܼܕ݂ܵܝܵܐ ܕ݁ܡܸܢ ܐܲܒ݂ܵܐ ܕ݁ܲܡܠܹܐ ܛܲܝܒ݁ܘܿܬ݂ܵܐ ܘܩܘܿܫܬ݁ܵܐ( John 1:14 - And on the *Word, flesh was made, and tabernacled with us; and we saw his glory, the glory as of the only-begotten who (was) from the Father (Lord), full of grace and truth

[@barnaclelevi]

so God created somebody glorious for mankind at that time..... a messiah ! (to have a messiah arrive in your life on earth is a blessing for humans..it was also gloriois for them that had a spiritual leader to worship God)

[@Dreamcaster06]

@@barnaclelevi Why appeal to the aramaic text when John was written in greek

[@Kimberly-lx4qy]

How do you interpret Daniel 7:9 with Revelation 1:12-18 & Isaiah 41:4, 44:6, 48:12

[@defenestratefalsehoods]

So what do you say and would make Jesus a lunatic who just talks to himself. Also how many people can be at their own side? if jesus sits at the right hand of the ruler he cant be the ruler.

[@nito2137]

But what's the conclusion ? Cause you're saying he's wrong but what's your position on who Jesus is ?

[@Dreamcaster06]

He thinks there not one view on who Jesus is in the new testament but most of them go towards Jesus being an exalted human or divine figure that is bestoed the divine name and thus has God´s authority and power.

[@nito2137]

@@Dreamcaster06 Hummmm, confused.

[@Dreamcaster06]

@@nito2137 You might do well reading his book on the topic where he explains it in a lot more detail, but to summarise there was an idea in 2. temple judaism which allowed God to let people use his titles or authority and manifest his presence by giving them his name

[@nito2137]

@@Dreamcaster06 I've read the scripture about Jesus, His name and authority, it's pretty self explanatory.

[@DasWortwurdeFleisch]

7:15 the only begotten Son the being into the bosom εἰς τὸν κόλπον of the Father Compare to Lk 6,38 δίδοτε καὶ δοθήσεται ὑμῖν μέτρον καλὸν πεπιεσμένον σεσαλευμένον ὑπερεκχυννόμενον δώσουσιν εἰς τὸν κόλπον ὑμῶν ᾧ γὰρ μέτρῳ μετρεῖτε ἀντιμετρηθήσεται ὑμῖν „Give, and it will be given to you. A good measure, pressed down, shaken together, and running over will be poured ❗️into your lap. For with the measure you use, it will be measured back to you.”“ ‭‭Luke‬ ‭6‬:‭38‬ John 1:18 seems to say that the Son is the inheritance of God.

[@SalimShaikh-vt3it]

God had no son god create adam as also without father or mother there is no other god except one allah allah have no partner Mohammad esha as prophet messenger of allah so pray to allah not jesus beleive in akhirat after the dead judgement day ok

[@stevedv629]

Mr McClellan …. I’m really wondering what your opinion on the question is broadly… yes or no? The question being of course does the Bible say that Jesus is god I hope you see this hehe, i find the stuff your sharing from your studies fascinating, thanks for the scholarly content

[@getrippt]

Thank You!! I feel like he doesn’t answer the question definitively lol. Give me a yes or no lol

[@MacD559]

This man gives me some dark vibes since the 1st vid I saw of his something ain’t right with his intentions you can hear it in the voice like he’s almost holding laughter

[@brentmathie7345]

Yes i agree he is no Christian .

[@ErraticFaith]

Why would anyone be Christian. It's as he says, 'bunk'. If however you're interested in facts and actually well presented and informative material - you should treat him like...'the gospel' lol.

[@brentmathie7345]

​@@ErraticFaith 🔥💫🎵🎶📯😇💍

[@__Ben777__]

Dan is a covert atheist posing as a mormon to gain political office in Utah, 2024 will be the 3rd time running as a woke democrat

[@dustinrichburg8638]

@@ErraticFaith He worked for the LDS. He is heavily biased towards the true Christianity practiced close to the time after Christ's ressurection. He's likely an atheist and/or anti-christian & a grifter.

[@joshuasmith-libertyunivers4953]

If Jesus is equal with God, does that not make Jesus God? He’s divine/deity because if he wasn’t, then how is he equal

[@mahkaimaldonado4471]

right, theres countless verses pointing to Jesus as God!! this guy should debate dr michael brown, bc he’s misleading many but maybe he’s not saying Jesus isnt God i haven’t figured this guy out yet

[@20quid]

@@mahkaimaldonado4471 Which verses?

[@osazeeoni7001]

Jesus is not equal to God Almighty. God sent Jesus to die for humanity. God answered Jesus when he prayed to Him. God raised Jesus from the dead. God exalted Jesus to a position above every other name. 1 Corinthians 15:27,28 showed that God Almighty is greater than Jesus.

[@toniacollinske2518]

I'm no expert! But having watched a lot of his videos, I'd say being equal to is not being the same. There other instances of divine beings given the authority of God in order to accomplish or deliver something. So, in other words, they are equal to, in those instances, but not the same.

[@mahkaimaldonado4471]

@@20quid are not the old testament prophecies pointing to Jesus ? “For unto us a Child is born, Unto us a Son is given; And the government will be upon His shoulder. And His name will be called Wonderful, Counselor, Mighty God, Everlasting Father, Prince of Peace.” ‭‭Isaiah‬ ‭9‬:‭6‬ . is not john 1:1 also not pointing to Jesus as God ? or is that a reach? what about john 10:30 that says “I and My Father are one.” doesnt hebrews 1:6-8 also point to Jesus as God and isnt this also a old testament passage in psalms ? does not isaiah 43:11 proclaim that only God is our savior “I, even I, am the Lord, And besides Me there is no savior.” but maybe this is a reach too.. also Jesus is given titles that only God is like our Shepard and judge, also doesnt revelations call Jesus Alpha and Omega ?? maybe not but i thought it did, but Jesus also received worship and forgave sins and did all sorts of blasphemous things (indeed blasphemous if He wasnt God) why did He die if not he proclaimed to be God? but lastly does not Jesus claim to be Yahweh in john 8:58?

[@dustinrichburg8638]

With Dan being associated (or formerly associated) with the Latter-day Saints, is there a reason that he rarely (if ever) critiques their beliefs & writings?

[@SynThenergy]

He easily talks about the scholarship that contradicts LDS doctrine. For example, Mormons believe that Elohim is God the father and Jehovah is Jesus. However, Dan readily explains that Jesus prays to Jehovah (Adonai). This biblical scholarship tears the fundamentalism within the LDS Church. I think it's possible he might get in trouble with the church

[@dustinrichburg8638]

@@SynThenergy Thank you for your reply.

[@SweetOdinsRavens]

1. The LDS church is very antagonistic of people who critique their writings and beliefs. It's entirely possible that he would be shunned and ghosted by literally everyone in his personal life if he pissed off the church enough to become excommunicated. 2. Mormon faith is very niche and there's simply not that many people who believe in it to make his content worthwhile. Most of the world has some interaction with overall Christianity, but not with mormon specific theology, so his audience would be minimized for any content involved with that. 3. There's already been a massive amount of literature and dedication to the critique of mormon theology, with not much more to say for the most part.

[@dustinrichburg8638]

@@SweetOdinsRavens Thank you for this reply. Although I do understand all that you've written, wouldn't most of that go against Dan's "Data Over Dogma" credo?

[@SweetOdinsRavens]

@Dustin Richburg possibly, but it doesn't really apply in this scenario. Dan isn't out here preaching mormon theology, nor is he doing what he's doing in order to convert or assert superiority, he's merely trying to give free educational awareness to people on the academics of wider Christianity, and this can and has been done, so far, unconstrained by his personal beliefs. Until he either shifts his focus to mormon theology or starts adding it into his academic evaluations, it stays removed from his overall body of work, which remains Data>Dogma.

[@jondiamond759]

Is the Bible the oldest sci fi book translated into reality but still biblical science fiction?

[@tonycook7679]

I see the whole thing as the earliest conspiracy theory, it has all the hallmarks and its adherents are very susceptible to all the current conspiracy theories too

[@cinnamondan4984]

Interesting pronunciation of the word “minority.”

[@heberfrank8664]

The very phrase "Son of God" identifies the resurrected Jesus as God unless Jesus is not an actual Son. The KJV says 30 times that the man Jesus is the "Son of God". Can it be proven from the text that the word Son is not talking about an ACTUAL Son in these 30 places? Because an actual son will progress and become fully like and equal to his father as Phil 2:6 predicted. Only by denying that the man Jesus was an ACTUAL "Son of God" can the Trinity speculation be protected. How could an immaterial body-less Spirit “Person” outside of time and space have an ACTUAL “Son”?

[@deviouskris3012]

Son’s of god vs daughters of man was used in genesis and the mention of the offspring of Adam and Eve. So are you saying Cain is god? The term is also commonly used to to identify followed as Son’s of God. So even the more common herder for this description?

[@UniDocs_Mahapushpa_Cyavana]

In what universe 🌌 is "actual son will progress and become fully like and equal to his father" an inherently true statement for all actual sons?

[@J_a_s_o_n]

​@@deviouskris3012 one was in capital S - SON Other in small s - son Look through your bible

[@deviouskris3012]

@@J_a_s_o_n awww. You are claiming English text was used in Hebrew and Greek? Maybe you think Phoenicia Hebrew also used capitals? That is a later adaptation made many centuries after the fact. The debate about the trinity didn’t even begin until around the 4th and 5th century. Before being added to the canon in the 6th. I really hope your comment was a failed attempt at sarcasm. If not, you’ve really shown how uninformed you are about the history of the texts.

[@soldiernomore3843]

The J.W’s have removed the brackets from their 2013 edition of the NWT and left them where it supports their theology. I guess no one noticed them anyway? Scribes are going to do what scribes are going to do.

[@Elohim-and-Marcel]

Elohim means Gods. Jehovah Elohim (Gods) are one like Jesus described. He is the Son of God & God. They are distinct persons that are one.

[@rockmantru]

Thomas said: "My Lord and my God"! Jesus didn't correct him.

[@johnheaton5058]

Interesting commentary but probably too scholarly for most Christians. Tattoo man is not exactly an erudite commentator. However, most Christians, by definition, think that Jesus was divine rather than some kind of manifestation or image. You may think they're misinformed but that's your reading - not one that other scholars such as Brant Pitre, Scott Hahn etc would hold.

[@fnjesusfreak]

The NIV is too paraphrastic to use for prooftexting - the NASB or NKJV or even the KJV is a better choice.

[@Nudnik1]

Trinity is idolatory .. Calvary human sacrifice is paganism. Why are there hundred s of variant versions of the Christian bibles none used match the original koine Greek new testament or Hebrew Scripture sources? Very odd.

[@Dreamcaster06]

TZrinity isn´t idolatry

[@Nudnik1]

@@Dreamcaster06 indeed it is the worst type according to Torah laws.

[@Dreamcaster06]

@@Nudnik1 No lol no law in the Torah prohibits the Trinity

[@Nudnik1]

@@Dreamcaster06 The entire Torah clearly states "I am not man "," There is no other besides Me".. 100% idolatry paganism Christian theology. No man God idol trinity human sacrifice calvary allowed paganism.. תודה רבה שלום

[@Dreamcaster06]

@@Nudnik1 Neither the statement God is not man or there is only one God are a problem for the Trinity

[@danielpaulson8838]

Jesus, a local construct for three primary purposes. 1. It evolved the Jewish religion the Romans were going to be in charge of. Christianity. 2. It roped the masses into coming to church for worshiping Jesus as if he was an idol. Easy to keep fearful masses on board. (Christianity is based in fear. Hell if you don't play) 3. It maintains the mono-myth template in yet another lineage from pre-technology culture. They nested secrets in stories that today, practitioners think are literal.

[@danielpaulson8838]

Jesus - Chosen? - Gods son - Seeks - Kingdom of Heaven Within - Uses miracles with Gods help Arthur - Chosen? - Only one who can extract Excalibur - Seeks - The Holy Grail - Uses magic with Merlin's help Etc, etc, etc Seems a tad spot on when read conceptually.

[@benroberts2222]

Mythicism, a local construct for two primary purposes. 1. It makes atheists look silly. 2. It ropes the masses into coming to church on the principle that if an evangelist can show Jesus existed, then mythicism is false and people will throw the baby (atheism) out with the bath water. Maybe your beliefs are the real conspiracy???

[@Sportliveonline]

Hi Dan ~#Do you think there is life after death

[@thetruthseeker9733]

Yes absolutely. This day you will be with me in paradise. To be absent from the body is to be present with the Lord. To depart and be with Christ is far better. Do you not trust the bible?

[@STROND]

No, the Bible does not , in fact the term "God the son" is a complete twist of words as it calls Jesus "SON OF GOD".....If Jesus is God then why did he say "I am going back to MY GOD and MY FATHER ? So WHO is the God of Jesus, and what is his name, when you find the answer to that question then you will see the TRUTH behind WHO God is ! Jesus backed up that belief when in prayer to his heavenly father said,...”"This is eternal life, that they should know you, the only true God, and him whom you sent, Jesus Christ. John 17: 3. Notice how he calls his father the ONLY TRUE GOD! The first century Christians taught the same when they preached for example 1 Cor 15: 24-28 where we see in Vs 24 that Jesus has a GOD AND FATHER and that in Vs 28 he SUBJECTS himself to his God & Father! SOME do say however, that Jesus does address God as his God and his father because he was A MAN however one of the clearest scripture which shows that Jesus is NOT God is Rev 3:12 where we see Jesus as NOT a man but back in heaven: "The one who is victorious I will make a pillar in the temple of my God. Never again will they leave it. I will write on them the name of my God and the name of the city of my God, the new Jerusalem, which is coming down out of heaven from my God; and I will also write on them my new name. New International Version So, please read Rev 1:1 which says: "a revelation from Jesus which GOD GAVE HIM" So WHO is the God Of Jesus, and what is his name ?

[@kmj4nsen]

Hi Dan, what bible would you recommend which provides a literal translation of the original texts

[@jayfriday4729]

I think the only "accurate translation" is done yourself with a concordance. Here you will see the original Greek, Hebrew and Aramaic definitions. I studied this mass of manuscripts for 30 years. There are no "accurate" translations.

[@VeridicusMaximus]

Even if monogenes theos was original it would only be so with these extant mss - it tells us nothing about the autograph of 'John.' And John being a late comer anyway this would only tell us that this was a development of how Jesus BECAME God - not that this was from the first disciples or anything Jesus taught. There is a lot more work that these Triny guys need to do. Amazing that such an important doctrine is so hard to come by in these problematic texts. Thanks YHWH, as an omni being you could have done better bro.

[@TheMesomovie]

I love the lesson on unreliability of the NIV. Can't stand that translation.