Does the Xpeng P7 leave the Tesla Model 3 in the rearview?

[@Justjefe]

ive seen the p7 once in shanghai and I gotta say the car is a beaut is a tad larger than the model 3 and looks real sleek

[@justinmiller7398]

Facial recognition. Required by the Chinese government.

[@adastra8218]

yeah that is a no from me.

[@thetrogdor4635]

This point right here is all you need to kill this comparison. A Chinese smart car will never compete globally. They may take a big portion of the market in China, but internationally the trust for Chinese tech is gone. Tesla has a gigafactory in China, which says a lot for how much trust they have in American goods, but it doesn't go the other way anymore.

[@Mosern1977]

Automatically looks up your Social Credit Score and decides if you get 500 HP or 15 HP out of the engine.

[@pumpuppthevolume]

what phone do u have

[@pumpuppthevolume]

@@thetrogdor4635 everything is sooner or later made in China

[@iftikharahmad4365]

P7 looks beautiful

[@pranavnigam11]

Well, this is all part of Elon's plan because his goal is to promote electric cars and get more people to use them!

[@1993eML]

the plan for Elon Musk is to "save the world" and have someone to compete with. Thats the true story quote from Elon himself.

[@hc8714]

do we need to stick out nose into elon's ass every time someone do good in EV field?

[@pranavnigam11]

@@hc8714 NO, we aren't giving credit to Elon, we are just saying that his plan to have more EV manufacturers is successful so far!

[@silverdime6278]

Nope his plan is for everyone in the world to use a tesla

[@pranavnigam11]

@@silverdime6278 Nah, he just wants everyone to drive an electric vehicle, he doesn't really care if it's a Tesla or not.

[@sambira]

Wow, Xpeng has copied Tesla, right down to the web site. Not saying this is a bad thing. Just sayin'.

[@dickmartino9933]

Tesla released a lot of patents to increase uptake of EVs from other makers. What was included, I don't know.

[@eewheezard]

Considering that XPENG Stole Tesla’s Crown Jewels - is it appropriate to patronize thievery?

[@miguellopez3392]

@@dickmartino9933 those patents have limitations.

[@MistPassiert]

China reverse engineers everything from around the world. No surprise this thing screams "Tesla". Lol

[@j.pgoodwin9020]

Sandy Munro's reports expose all of Tesla's secrets

[@mcscotty325]

I like the Xpeng P7 more than the Tesla Model 3.

[@M20B25-User]

Comparing an 80kWh battery pack (P7) with a 50kWh battery pack (M3SR+) and calling it "even" range wise??? Sorry, but you are kidding? Why didn´t you pick the "super-long range" version of the P7 with 706km of NEDC-range?

[@scottysize]

Super Charging Network bro. Until someone comes up with Super Chargers all over the country, Tesla will always win IMO.

[@roodick85]

Lol

[@TheDailyMemesShow]

Doable in China

[@Arag0n]

China has a public super charging network built by state grid with charging speeds above 150kw. That's a 30~40m charge time to 80% for almost all electric cars.

[@youngz13o]

@@TheDailyMemesShow China already started on pilot programs by turning cities fully electric. Shenzehn is one example. Once they verify the results/fine tune it, the pilot program in the city, they will roll it out across nationwide

[@robinholmes785]

Love your work as usual but I think you avoided the Huge bear in the room. This is the company that has been caught stealing from Tesla and nearly every feature of this car is a DIRECT COPY of Tesla!!! This car and car company are set up to test if copyright holds up in China! If Tesla doesn't throw everything they have at this company to CLOSE THEM DOWN, it will be a very bad day for ANY company that wants to do business in China. Please Please do a follow on this. If you have any connections to get some feedback from Tesla you will be doing the community a great service

[@DavidHRyall]

Robin Holmes The only thing they stole was AutoPilot and Tesla has already been pursuing this legally. The rest they could have copied from the open source side of things. Tesla expects to be copied, else it wouldn’t have gone ahead with its China plans. Being copied helps their mission in the end, and they have plenty of moats that still can’t be easily replicated

[@tedbaxter5234]

Thriving is what they do - get used to it.

[@ChristianRodriguez-xv5qg]

It's not wrong since Musk made Tesla's patient open but can only use it "with good faith" but the company doesn't credit Tesla which is find but Ben claims they did everything on their own which is truly incorrect.

[@nilsfrederking62]

@@DavidHRyall Yes, but stealing source code which did cost Tesla millions is a criminal act and very unfair behavior. If you allow such then the one who invents and develops will always be the one with the disadvantage as he has to pay for it while the one who steals it gets it for free and can offer his product for lower cost.

[@MaxDebt]

Sadly the case had to be dropped because they didn’t have enough evidence. He claimed he had deleted all the code he downloaded🙄 which is obviously a lie .All of the dudes computers were wiped so there was nothing that proved he still had the code. F 😭😭

[@silvrsurfer]

Short answer: no. Long answer: no. *Also* Xpeng stole / copied their autopilot system from Tesla's autopilot.

[@haider9874]

Killed the monopoly, yeah

[@hc8714]

lol copied. really fascinating to see elon sheeps behaviour

[@silvrsurfer]

@@hc8714 I mean instead of being blindsided, you can look it up. Have nothing against nio motors or rivian. But Xpeng stealing Tesla's code base to "build" their own ap system is still theft lmao. Singing the same old song every anti tesla guy sais doesn't save you from the sheep mentality.

[@mangkanor165]

LOL auto pilot is already exist b4 tesla, have u heard plane in autopilot the concept are just the same. Even buses and taxis in China is better than tesla.

[@silvrsurfer]

@@mangkanor165 In this case I'm specifically about Tesla's self driving software that they chose to call "autopilot" Xpeng really just copy paced their source code & put it in vs code. I'm aware the term autopilot isn't new and has been in aviation and transportation for some time now. Never said anything about that. Also aware that other car companies have their own self driving technologies but they didn't steal & copy Tesla's code for it. I'm talking facts, don't get upset

[@dayneodendaal4772]

It really is awesome to see Tesla inspiring innovation like this in the auto industry. I think all to often we forget that this was Tesla’s mission all along: Accelerating the world’s transition to sustainable transportation.

[@johnpublicprofile6261]

Re: Why NFC instead of Bluetooth Answer is better security. Using Bluetooth to unlock your car means that someone several car rows away from you can be secretly listening in on the electronic car key transmissions trying to hack in. With NFC ("Near" Field Communication) there would have to be a listening device so 'near' that you would have to move it out of the way to open the door. To those who might say 'well it is all encrypted anyway' as a cyber security threat researcher I will point out that you should never rely on a single element to protect you as you never know when a flaw in it will be found. Combing completely different types of security is definitely best and here you will hopefully still have encrypted electronic transmission with ideally key codes changing everytime plus the effectively physical aspect of almost direct contact being needed.

[@Canaca1]

don't you need to turn on the NFC and have to tap to activate ... then its a no for me, I like to unlock the door without touching my phone.

[@yaobin1]

NFC is more secure. But I don't need to worry about your car get stolen, because I can track it's location. Bluetooth is more convenient. I can just walk up to the car and open it with my phone in my packet.

[@bobjones1885]

Waaait. ITS NOT ON THE ROAD. As Elon said, powerpoint presentations do not work. Bring it to market profitably, then we'll talk.

[@markfitzpatrick6692]

bob jones Bjorn just test drove it in Norway for 4 days

[@bobjones1885]

@@markfitzpatrick6692the gauges and display was in a foreign language. So not really production ready.

[@tylersanders6703]

@@bobjones1885 The car had been sold for over a year in China.

[@DavidHRyall]

Tyler Sanders was it the 7 though? They do have other models

[@markfitzpatrick6692]

David Ryall yes don’t waist time commenting when you can search bjorn Nyland on you tube . He is the place to go for electric car testing. Others talk about them while he drives the taycan and xpang 2 weeks in arow

[@RandomCommentDue]

I would take any car from China with a major grain of salt. People who have lived there have said that the the actual quality of cars can vary tremendously, but tend towards bad due to horrendous quality control endemic to basically all Chinese industries.

[@Larckening]

Plus, no idea about the safety in crash.... China car manufacturers usually don't give a ****** about safety.

[@32BitLink]

EVolution In order to sell a car in Europe, Asia, NA it needs to be crash tested, whennit comes out, check the NCAP crash test videos. The car will be safe

[@hitman6265]

And you will get spied on by the Chinese government. No thanks.

[@carminedauria-gupta2561]

Sounds a lot like Tesla

[@tribalypredisposed]

Xpeng is a startup, so It is basically certain that they will have quality issues to start even if they do their best. Tesla has been improving for years on quality, I certainly would expect them to have the edge over any startup in any country on quality.

[@brian.z6592]

Video forgot to mention that Xpeng's hardwares for auto driving assistance system is so far the most advanced.

[@alwayspeace898]

And they r more affordable than Tesla n nio. Come on not everyone is rich.

[@Activation1111]

There is room for them both. The more great EV's the better for us ALL!!

[@emiliendurand640]

Almost the same price and no supercharging network. That’s an easy one.

[@_WorldWorks]

very true

[@annon-ski7985]

How will you feel when you are proved wrong, bold statement you are making not having much information. Tesla will soon disable pretty much everyone's supercharging feature they like to control their cars too much after they are bought.

[@mikebond6698]

@@annon-ski7985 You're faulting him for not having much information? Where do you get the information that "Tesla will soon disable pretty much everyone's supercharging feature"?

[@jeffersonteng988]

LMAO how do you know they don't have a supercharging network? They are the only company in China that has built the super charging network

[@ronnieronson4390]

Percy Teng because they don’t ?

[@peterstringa3350]

Ben, Did you see the last 2 Vids of Bjorn Nyland /TeslaBjorn? He is testing the Xpeng ( pronouciation Xoaupang) P7 this week (week of 29th of july).

[@ShivaSapkota]

Thanks Ben for another great video. The Xpeng P7 looks good and sounds like a great car that would be a very close competition to Tesla, but it doesn't exist yet....It would be wonderful if they can demonstrate the level 3 autonomy. With over half a million Teslas on the road constantly learning and contributing to the data, Tesla will probably be far ahead of the competition at least in the near future.

[@David-bl1bt]

This car is awesome. It makes the Tesla model 3 now look sooo like a toy from yester-year. Better build quality, better tech without 'fart' gimmicks. A grown-up car for grown-ups who want comfort, quality and value for money. If there is a Tesla-beater the p7 is without doubt the number 1 contender.

[@thomaspeng6805]

I’d be wary of any App Store at this time. Imagine a 3rd party writes an app that crashes the computer and bricks the car. It could also leave an open door to hackers without thorough vetting.

[@fredmensah5594]

Exactly my thoughts. I think any attempt by Tesla to follow up on that should be taken cautiously.

[@futurethinking]

There are two computers in the car, the apps run on a separate system than the car controller

[@nachocollantes7602]

Xpeng P7 is bigger than the M3 and has a very good sound system. In my opinion the P7 has better interior close to a premium finishing. If Ben Sullins doesn't mind I would recommend the little norwegian ninja Bjørn Nyland here in YT. He did a very good job with a "Chinese version in Europe" of the P7. ¡Good one Ben!

[@youngz13o]

I like the direction X peng is going. Pretty impressive for a company that just started and with 5G and massive amount of data collection, I’m sure autonomous driving will soon reach Tesla level and possibly surpass it with 5G

[@DeepGamingAI]

I'm hearing the name Xpeng more and more often now a days. Hopefully they can bring their tech to markets outside China, we need more competition for Tesla.

[@Mr.Relaxed]

Well, the performance of P7 is slightly 1s or 0.8/9 seconds slower than Model3 Performance. The ride is superiour, and Im mainly comparing to the Model S. It even is on same drivecomfort,suspension level as Model X( lke P7 better). It is an insanely good car to drive, very fun, with lots and lots of tech inside. The interior is much better than Tesla, so is general buildquality. Autodriving or the level we are allowed to have in Norway is same level, maybe I like it slightliy better, but the autoparkingsystem is second to none, Tesla is not even close. P7 keep getting better and better and car improves all the time via OTA, that affect all the components in the car. The car is simply Stunning. Some downsides for some people there is: ( no car is perfect:)-No automatic tailgate, no autonmatic high beam assist ( which will be fixed in an update), no heat in steering wheel and no draghook (and other minor stuff, which updates will fix). One of the very best and most comfortable cars ive ever driven..oh, I almost forgot, one of the most silent cars ever, same class as Taycan

[@TheCreamRisesToTheTop]

Made in China is a big no from me, especially these days.

[@wangmars9183]

everything made in China.including ur phone.drop it

[@TheCreamRisesToTheTop]

Wang Mars yeah ok WANG, go snitch on your neighbors for some extra social credit points

[@robertdownie9218]

Soyou wouldn't buy a TESLA oh mmmm

[@TheCreamRisesToTheTop]

robert downie not if I lived in China. Teslas sold in the USA are made in Freemont, California.

[@j.pgoodwin9020]

Apparently the Model 3 made in China is a far better vehicle that includes Model Y aspects and has better fit and finish, all around a better car built better with better quality control

[@johnmqueripel2367]

Dead easy to say you can do anything, until it's proven, well just wishful thinking.

[@Jay_GT]

NICE review, please could you re-review these two, The P7 is out I've seen quite a few of them in Guangzhou, China. I have the G3 and the ability to get out of the car and it parks itself is nice (Not leaving it to drive off on its own and park, just the sequence of selecting the parking - Putting it in park - Getting out - Using the key to activate the auto-park - and watching it do its thing)

[@MistPassiert]

My issue is this: China likes to produce "high quality" rechargeable batteries that boast 9000+ mAh but actually only have capacities of less than 2000. I wouldn't trust range specifications of the Chinese vehicle. That and if history has proven anything, China will exaggerate every aspect of this product. Let's not overhype something that, like you pointed out, doesn't exist yet. It looks awesome, but I'll believe their hype when it comes out. That said, I hope it's awesome, deep down because it'll help fuel more competition in the EV market. Which we all can agree is sorely needed!

[@MistPassiert]

@@foodo806 I couldn't imagine being trapped in a society like China, having everything to include what you see online so strictly controlled. If the X7 really is a decent vehicle and creates competition in the EV market, that's at least some good to come from CCP.

[@scottmohrman]

Agreed. Actual car is needed.

[@Rejuvem]

I agree that competition is good for everyone... it forces Tesla to keep moving forward even faster than they have been to maintain their edge and that's good for all of us

[@lukemcadie9951]

the top spec p7 has over 700 km of range

[@0neBadMonkey]

Agreed. I'm very excited about this Car, and they have a good track record with what they have done, albeit on a much smaller scale... but it needs to be seen before a fair comparison can be made. That all said, this, and other videos about Xpeng are needed so that message and the hope grows that ICE vehicles are no longer needed for the avg person/family.

[@fullyelectric]

Ben, I don’t know about this P7 and when it will be in the US if ever .. however I am a bit concerned or more confused about your statement on Tesla EPA rating.... I own Model 3 I use for my DD and I have never ever gotten close to the EPA rating.. also my wife drives our Model X and again never getting close to EPA racing it’s always a good 40-60 miles off .. so I would say Tesla EPA rating is well below what they state .. and yes with all the B S about different conditions and driving speed etc.. does not matter fact should be unless you are hyper mile driving or something to get close that the EPA numbers.. the way you make it sounds as if we actually get the EPA rating for our Tesla .. you got the data so why even make that statement.. should be it’s proven we don’t get our EPA rating from Tesla ..and this P7 may be better .. anyways.. as a EV Guy I am just happy something else is coming out so in a year I have more better options to choose from.

[@carminedauria-gupta2561]

That’s because Tesla does not choose to downplay the range like most other automakers. For marketing purpose, they display the highest range

[@pumpuppthevolume]

the other xpeng car seems to be pretty good

[@PierreSimonsson]

Björn Nyland has tested the Xpeng 3 and i guess he will be first to test the Xpeng 7 later.

[@h-cim155]

He just posted a first test of it 😀

[@PierreSimonsson]

@@h-cim155 I know alreaddy seen it. :D

[@PierreSimonsson]

And the Xpeng will Not leave the Tesla in the rear Mirror in Aceleration 0-62 Mph / 100Km/h

[@h-cim155]

Soundproofing is better tough

[@PierreSimonsson]

@@h-cim155 as expected Soundprrofing in Model 3 is shieeeet :D

[@simoc24]

Tesla will improve much in every 6 months :) we shall see

[@Batman2StaticShock]

Exactly

[@Sam-tx1tn]

Hmm. The improvements over the years is great but an accumulation of small things for the most part.

[@DavidHRyall]

Tyran Mathurin have you been in one? Cause one you have, I doubt you will care

[@stephengevers5894]

Tyran Mathurin he didn’t say you need to be in one to know. I haven’t been in one, nor have I witnessed those gaps personally. What I have witnessed is owners acknowledging the fit and finish issues, while saying the advantages outweigh those issues. Non owners seem way more hung up on those issues for some reason.

[@stephengevers5894]

Tyran Mathurin no you didn’t. But your comment didn’t address his point either

[@martinder3199]

You overlooked a point: Ecosystem/Charging

[@youngz13o]

Dont forget, when the Chinese govt puts their minds to it, they just do it, Tesla is dominating now because they are the pioneers but just look at rail development in China compared to the US

[@builderphill1361]

@@youngz13o well the CCP can do whatever they want without any regulations so it's not really a fair competition lmfao

[@youngz13o]

@@builderphill1361 if it was so easy, any country with loose/poor regulations could do what China does. Your oversimplifying it and ultimately incorrect

[@builderphill1361]

@@youngz13o I don't just mean that I mean they have complete and utter control over their entire country so they don't have to worry about their peoples opinions as much as a free thinking nation

[@youngz13o]

@@builderphill1361 yea... like the California High Speed Rail is being stopped by all you free peoples opinions lol

[@passby8070]

When it comes to cars, the look is very important. To me, the P7 is miles ahead in the look department. I like Tesla and its technology, but it's look and presence really doesn't do it for me.

[@alanpreston1822]

I think you compared it to the wrong car. The P7 is being marketed against the model S where the cost wins hands down.

[@MrGonzonator]

5:27 "... their version of Autopilot." is it though?

[@StormyDog]

Reputedly it's an old version of Autopilot that was stolen from Tesla by an ex-employee. Good luck updating it.

[@futurethinking]

I know that most in the forum won't really listen but It is 100% in house. I am a former googler that was paid a lot to develop this system in house. Our platform is not even compatible with Tesla their code wouldn't even compile in our platform.

[@MrGonzonator]

@@futurethinking I'm sure that's true now that there are legal proceedings in place.

[@futurethinking]

@@MrGonzonator keep believing in your conspiracy theories if you wish. FYI, Tesla has not filed any lawsuit against our company, only against the employee we hired from them but somehow they think that makes them entitled to our entire code base. I am wondering whom is trying to steal from whom.

[@MrGonzonator]

@@futurethinking it's not a conspiracy theory. Thete are two versions of events and the courts will decide the truth. All I did was ask the question, which is yet to have an answer determined. Good luck to you in all your endeavours. I hope you succeed in bringing affordable, high quality cars to the masses and that nobody gets hurt in the process.

[@richardstone512]

If the Xpeng P7 was available in the USA I would buy it tomorrow... I ordered and cancelled a Model S order... something about Teslas seem unfinished... Coming from a line of Mercedes... I just couldn't accept the quality or build of Teslas...

[@frankvanson781]

I really dislike XPeng business ethics around potential use of stolen Autopilot software, and potentially Apple IP. For me that is a major reason not to consider XPeng for a long time, how cheap and awesome their car might be. These are very concerning business practices.

[@ptodd1306]

The P7 is available. See the owner review by China Driver on You Tube.

[@Rcm23195]

I'm surprised that he didn't being up electric infrastructure at all...

[@Cars-N-Jets]

Changstachio Well there’s no competition there. Tesla would obviously win that.

[@Rcm23195]

@@Cars-N-Jets I know, that's the point. He didn't bring it up as a winning point for Tesla's, that might sway someone to purchase a Tesla over the xpeng

[@paulalbertson5485]

Please add the max charging rate that it supports and is generally compatible/commonly available in that region, as part of the range calculation. Maybe 1/3 of the point. If not known, that should be a slight demerit for that brand.

[@hahtos]

Nice vaporware.....by the time this might come out Teslas are going to have evolved.

[@richardstone512]

It's in production.. they got production permits... Interesting to see how it fairs in China vs Teslas in China

[@unclezeppy]

According to the Xpeng salesman, the Xpeng autopilot is OK, and it kind of works. According to the engineer who is working on self-driving technologies (for busses) the Xpeng system is mostly vaporware and needs a lot of work. It will be extremely interesting to see how the autopilot works in real life, the car itself is stunning, I have seen it life-size on 8k video screen. Now I'm just hoping that somebody in this apartment complex gets one. There are seven model 3s on the way according to the local Tesla group post.

[@cadhlaohanlon4443]

The very first few p7s are already delivered to their customers. We will see how they perform.

[@kiteboarderx]

Let me get you up to speed Sammy, they have delivered nearly 2,000 P7's as of July 31.2020.

[@johnnyfootball7658]

How much is it gonna cost the company to crank these out? I suspect their margins will be pretty darn thin.

[@j.pgoodwin9020]

Plus shipping costs and import duties on anything manufactured in China

[@azspotfree]

There is a huge difference between the Tesla and any other carmaker who talks about the specs of their reasonably priced electric car. It's a huge distinction and it is this. You can actually buy and drive a tesla. I'm no marketing genius, but that strikes me as a huge advantage

[@misterlhaynes3836]

First time hearing of this car, good video, love the MKB HD also, good work

[@perryleong3349]

No leather seats no AI no luxury on tasla , xp7 got loaded fururelistic.

[@dogphlap6749]

An interesting video but the most interesting part to me was when Ben says if you didn't like the video you should click on the thumbs up button twice, why not just not click on it. What am I missing here ?

[@ideasasopiates3129]

It's incomparable. One is proven. The other makes claims on paper.

[@slavko321]

TeslaBjorn has driven one and just released a video about it.

[@ideasasopiates3129]

@@slavko321 Thanks for alerting me. I just finished watching the video and it seems the XPeng could be a solid car. The company needs just to find a quicker charge capability and it can complete with Tesla.

[@rigisteryang1802]

I like Xpeng’s idea in driving range. Normal driver don’t care how fast their car can be, but how far, I think Tesla should copy their idea.

[@MM-zh4jb]

Whoever said it was copying that means you are not educated well with this informative video, or your limit is not able to.

[@adammerza5745]

Tesla knew that setting up in China meant all their R&D was going to get thieved. It's in Line with their mission to accelerate the global transition to electric vehicles, like making their IP public

[@Rokalno]

Actually, the thief was a former Tesla emplyee at Freemont who copied early designs of ModelS and AP

[@olyalphy]

They already open source all their patents, so no surprise other companies are copying. But yeah, stealing actual software code is a bit disappointing. Hopefully this competition will get Tesla to lift its game even higher.

[@adammerza5745]

Wow I wasn't aware there were confirmed examples of this. The autopilot is particularly troubling, as that seemed to be Tesla's future business plan to become basically the worlds UBER driver. Hope they can keep innovating

[@casperhansen826]

@@adammerza5745 the full self driving is not impressive, they will need lots of data to improve it but they don't get that, Tesla is so fare ahead that no one really seems to have started yet. It will take years before Xpeng has the amount of data needed to do a good job. Highway driving is not that hard the tough part is to drive through small cities with pedestrians, dogs, cyclists everywhere and cars parked everywhere, and traffic lights, signs, shops, commercials, posters.

[@adammerza5745]

@@casperhansen826 True, I don't know how Peng can claim level 3 autonomy, as for self driving algorithms to improve as others like Alpha Go it would seem to require vast amounts of data and swarm learning. Perhaps they plan to do some industrial espionage on that too

[@hchchc22]

Xpeng uses NVIDIA Xavier chip that runs at 30 tera ops per second, which is what Tesla used in its old HW2. Tesla's latest HW3 uses its own proprietary chip that can run up to 144 tera ops per second. Can't wait for Tesla to release its next gen HW4 FSD system. Everyone is still trying to catch up to Tesla by copying what Tesla was doing a few years ago.

[@tooslownotfast]

P7 is on the road. Look for teslabjorn's videos

[@bizmagnetic]

As an early tesla shareholder from the ipo days, in my opinion this is the first real potential competition that I have seen. Straight up copying Tesla, but this is what they have to do to survive and vertical integration is critical to compete on pricing. Tesla is years ahead of them and anyone else, but for the price point I think the P7 is the most compelling electric car I have seen from anyone else. Value to price being the important metric.

[@MHyun-ze5jg]

i like nio more than xpeng. cars aside i like the founder william li very similar to elon musk imo.

[@elcarmi]

They’re actually using Tesla patents for the power train... and doing some ctrl c, ctrl v in every other aspect

[@lukasli8408]

GB standard is short for "GuoBiao" which means national standard. And the Chinese national standard is based on the current NEDC test standard. So you are correct to assume that's NEDC mileage for model 3

[@haveaseatplease]

XPENG has possibly a winner with the P7. This car has, design and spec wise, everything needed to succeed on the EU market (and of course their local market). They should avoid the biggest pitfalls which apparently plagues every Tesla model: an utterly flawed reliability topped with a high maintenance cost and poor fit and finish.

[@CybertruckNick]

Tesla competition? What competition? I've been waiting for a Tesla killer for a looong time.

[@runeversveen9598]

Teslabjorn tested the Xpeng G3, and the tech seems to be really god. It parked by itself! Of course Tesla has an advantage in having a lot of cars on the road. But this is not just a competition among electric cars, but also involving gas powered cars. We really need more good electric cars, and Xpeng really looks promising.

[@jeffberwick]

Charger infrastructure is one more huge category where Tesla wins by a long shot. Even if Tesla lost by many points I would still choose the supercharger network over anything out there as of 2020.

[@thechamp3376]

I love Xpeng 🥰👍

[@Baekstrom]

It's pretty safe to assume that the Chinese government will want to suck all the personal information they can possibly get out of the car owners and have no qualms about it as long as they get away with it.

[@AhmedYehias]

I'm happy whenever we hear about new competitors of Tesla. It only pushes Tesla to be better and vice versa. Excited for Lucid, Rivian, Nikola and many other OEMS with their new EV offerings!

[@matthewboyd8689]

I still read articles that say, Dyson couldn't make £150,000 SUV and Tesla thinks it can sell a Cybertruck (they thought it was an SUV not a truck) for $70,000 as it's top of the line car. Called it snake oil and praised the BMW i3 (not the i4) and the Nissan Leaf. Saying Tesla is selling at a loss. When I know that Tesla is approaching the highest profit margins per car of any car at 20% profit while others are between 5% and 10% I plan on never buying a car made from a company that ever made internal combustion engines. So any Tesla, electric meccanica solo, Sondors, or Aptera. Whichever one I can afford first.

[@kane6106]

I wonder what wonderful things the Chinese government will do with your data. And does it come with the censor filters in place or do you have to pay extra not to be able to use the internet how you want?

[@badimpulses17]

Competition is good for us the consumers. The Chinese will eventually catch up just like they caught up in the phone game.

[@naieuc]

They never caught....... a copycats will always lag behind.... . What hey only do is improve what is existing.....

[@randycox798]

I notice that there are alot of EV coming out in China but will you be able to get them here and not just in California? Since I ordered a single engine rear wheel drivw truck I am hoping it will come with the million mile battery since it still probably 2 years out befor they will be delivered.

[@luisfernandes4145]

Tie break: Tesla Supercharger Network! 😁

[@futurethinking]

Which in China is much smaller than Nio/Xpeng network. This car b.t.w. is not coming to US or Europe any time soon.

[@luisfernandes4145]

@@futurethinking I'm talking about the world network.

[@roodick85]

Lol you do know the SuperCharger network isn’t the only fast charger right?

[@luisfernandes4145]

@@roodick85 name a Supercharger Network that covers half of Tesla's.

[@Catani84]

For the US market maybe. The supercharger network in Europe is laughable. I've got maybe 3 or 4 chargers in a 300 mile radius in the centre of Italy

[@jimchoi2719]

Enjoyed the debate. Only ust found out about XPeng after someone sent a pic of a P7 in Suzhou China. Exciting times, but here in UK there Tesla v everyone else. No matter how good and the P7 is a car that would convince me to go full EV rather then PHEV currently. Because our charging infrastructure is woeful for all the other EVs. 4 years when I change hopefully plenty you cheaper EV and infrastructure.

[@apkungen89]

It's always hard to compare range figures over different range cycles. You're correct that a conversation number is about 1,4 but that's on average. Every car is unique. With a boxy small EV the conversion number is higher since they are very inefficient on the highway but a low sleek car like the xpeng surely has a lower conversion number. The xpeng long range has a battery of about 66 kWh. The sr+ has about 52 kWh. The sr+ is problems slightly more efficient. Maybe 10 percent. So I would say that the xpeng EPA race m range is probably around 460 km or 283 miles.

[@ramblerandy2397]

That Xpeng P7 is super cute looking and impressive. But how I wish Sony would make that engineering concept. More of an everyday look with almost perfect electric car proportions. We need more great looking EVs. Tesla can't do all by themselves, even though they're giving it their very best effort.

[@phoeij]

Autopilot price will go up $1,000 as of July 1st 😕 I wanted to buy after summer when hopefully the economic situation would give a bit more sense of stability and I dared to let go of some money... I just don’t see this pricing strategy work for regular car owners that have no interest in using their Tesla as a taxi. Other manufacturers are getting up to pace fast.

[@nicholasn.2883]

How the hell did they get the price estimation so low? Is it with incentives or something? This clone sounds too good to be true

[@Keoponloeu]

What clone

[@mr88cet]

I guess I don’t see the Xpeng dash as “minimalist,” like the Model 3, and I’m glad! The main thing stopping us from buying a Model 3 or Y is the single screen. I’m like ... “Weird, but fine, whatever; I’ll take it,” but my wife says, “it looks like a PC sitting on a temp-employee desk!” I agree with her that it looks like they designed a gorgeous, sleek, dashboard, and then realized at the last minute that they need displays and controls. Whoops! So they tacked on a screen dangling off a stiletto heel, rather than being designed into the dashboard from the start. If it were just me though, I’d buy a Model Y, but the Xpeng looks a lot more ... intentional ... in its dashboard design.

[@aminsohan5826]

Xpeng beat tesla in a big way!! I have no doubt !

[@RickyDownhillRDH]

Yeah I'm tried of all this "TeSla Killer" hype. Put up or shut up.

[@carholic-sz3qv]

tesla killer or not wtf gives a shit?!?!? people need more affordable and better EVS end od story

[@kerbodynamicx472]

Tesla was ahead of the competition, their job is to electrify transportations, and they have give up lots of their patents. So even more competitors are joining, it’s actually something Elon Musk hoped for... Btw I found out the light bars on the P7 looks similar to what used on Cybertruck

[@edwyncorteen1527]

Hi Ben, NEDC is the OLD European standard, WLTP is the latest version, both are not as accurate as the EPA version, sadly China still insists on using the very out of date NEDC data.

[@pinkelephants1421]

One point you didn't raise Ben, is that Tesla & Xpeng are in a legal argy bargy & have been for some time. A Tesla employee downloaded some proprietary information and aledgedly took it with him upon moving to work for Xpeng. I'm not completely sure but I think it had something to do with Autopilot/FSD software; can't remember the exact details. This has been going on for @ least 18 months if not longer.

[@bloodluster7086]

Chinese EV's caught up real quick to Tesla. Xpeng P7 is more stylish (screens more integrated, don't look like large IPads, interior and exterior of car very nice), affordable, with better software than Tesla's sedans. If Nio can do the same (create a better quality more affordable Sedan than Tesla) they will easily dominate the Chinese EV market. The first EV company that can create a long-range, stylish/artistic, EV with good software for under $30,000 wins my money. XPeng P7 comes closest atm.

[@youtubeaccount9808]

I really wish the P7 was available for purchase in the US. I prefer it to the Model 3 with a much nicer interior.

[@bafattvahetere]

Tesla interior sucks.

[@drjaye1962]

hey brah Andy Slye is lookin 4 a car for his wiffie, heard u were sellin the 2018 LR RWD, its not everything they want but i think it covers most of the bases... peace...love the SD area..."California Dreamin"..."make it so #1, Picard out...peace

[@flipperbear9]

Every electric vehicle, unless it's used as a local commuter car, is left in the dust by all of the Tesla vehicles due to one single fact: the Tesla supercharger network. It's what makes Tesla vehicles the best EVs to own and a direct replacement for a gasoline vehicle.

[@douglaswatt1582]

1) The Chinese product is vaporware; 2) the Chinese product doesn't perform as well, and probably doesn't handle or brake as well as either; 3) the Chinese product has no supercharging network; 4) it's an open question how much of the Chinese product is actually stolen intellectual property. And if you add all those things up, it's not even close. Come on Ben!

[@tanvirahmedsiddiquee127]

Your video is biased. Tesla is not a winner here at all. You only measure performance in a way Tesla is a second ahead. Rest of the measurements is infavour of xpeng p7. Overall performance is P7 is ahead than Tesla.

[@willpcs3453]

Hey Ben, enjoyed the educational and informative vBlog, would you invest in the upcoming Xpeng IPO?

[@kinlee823]

I wonder how many stocks of Tesla you have.

[@raymondwong2521]

Interesting that you say @ "tesla has a lot of data to back up their claims [of mileage]" I have a Model 3 and it always under-delivers by 20-25 miles for real-world driving. Not just my experience, but several long-term tests by car magazines have proven the over-promises of Tesla's range too.

[@conceptrat]

I want to install that car sharing app. Then I take someone else car for a drive. Or better yet steal it remotely and get it to park at my place 😬

[@nusenyaw]

looking forward to an update on the production model.

[@AgmonTheDigimon]

I’m excited to see how this car turns out! I think it looks great

[@troywalt4834]

I tend to not cheer for companies built inside a communist dictatorship, I would rather keep my liberty and not buy from these copy cats

[@trapsarentgay4195]

Troy Walt lmao shut up

[@DavidHRyall]

Troy Walt your phone? Your TV? Your air conditioner? All the chips in all your devices, including in your car? You are inundated in Chinese goods that you use every day

[@troywalt4834]

@@DavidHRyall i know that but with more and more people opening their eyes to the danger communism china poses to our liberties we are starting to take measures to limit that. TSMC will soon produce apple chips in the USA, Huawei is banned from using American technology, countries decided to not use Huawei as a 5g provider, a wise move for their security. Their products are now heavily taxed before coming to the US. So yes companies are now thinking twice before relocating production to China.

[@j.pgoodwin9020]

@@troywalt4834 Huawei's problem is they are too innovative and have too many brilliant innovative scientists and engineers and now produce best in class. They have the major patents in advanced 5G which is the next big thing and what the US alphabet soup needs for full surveillance of everyone around the world including the US, Trump is changing the laws so his people can surveill his detractors and opponents and anyone that poses a threat to his or his associates and backers financial interests.

[@jwickerszh]

Well now that the Han is out as well you could do a 3 way comparison .. it's getting tough for the M3 unless they plan on getting the price down, now for the same price you could get a longer range P7 or a better performance Han and both have better interiors than the Tesla, more useable tech for the local market, better back seat space, etc ...

[@onederment]

Interesting for sure.... the P7 however will only be made for the Chinese markets. Not sure why not as I think they could do quite well.

[@peterzerfass4609]

The cars would be about equal...except for: superchargers. The supercharger network is currently the "killer app" when it comes to electric cars. Until public charging infrastructure gets up to speed with Tesla's SCs there's always going to be that. (Except for the low-range EVs that are aimed towards commuting/shopping exclusively and have no need of SCs...but the P7 is clearly also aimed at people who do longer drives).

[@chinese366]

America is the best country in the world! No shit can surpass it!