Does WuWa Community Have Entitlement Issues? | Wuthering Waves

[@cassandra2646]

That's one thing that has been robbed of me in game. The darker story. That's where you want Kuro not to listen lol.

[@aLonelyAndLameOtaku]

Nah fr tho- The CBT story might’ve been too edgy, but at least it kept the dark post-apocalyptic atmosphere. Idgaf about Rover’s harem, but I wish everyone didn’t have that happy-go-lucky vibe. Edit: Literally, I got surprised by the seriousness of Xiangli Yao’s resonator trailer. Because he never explicitly showed that side of himself in-game.

[@Gheniel_]

What about the Mobius loop?

[@jayle3440]

I agree, but I also think this is a valuable lesson. Being fair and generous will inevitably attract entitled people and it's important for Kuro to find the right balance between being kind/generous and knowing where to draw the line. I do think Kuro is still experimenting for that purpose. Besides, there are also people like you who raise valid concerns, so they'll be fine.

[@scarletHerbst]

Recently I saw from a CC that said we should get info on Camellya already so that he is not starved of content. The first half of the patch is not yet finished and he wants content on Camellya. I am glad that comments were against his opinion and hopefully he reflected on that. I still hate that they removed the dark plotline and the dark scene of Dreamless's intro. Just because the Chinese playerbase did not want to see the female characters being hurt, they were loud and got removed. That's such a HUGE BS. I honestly do not like how every new character is just a new guy/girl to add to Rover's harem. That's literally an isekai plotline and I hate how they are keeping intune to that. I don't mind a couple of characters fawning but every single character fawning is getting out of hand. I hope this reduces after 2.0, I really want the dark storyline back. I hope they pave their way back or atleast stiches some darker plots back.

[@digglebick]

Wuthering waves has a toxic level of "content creator's have nothing to talk about" problem

[@eherden2169]

I think this is something that happens to any content creator in the gatcha space.

[@demontekdigital]

The sad thing is we really do have plenty to talk about, it's just that the CCs would rather focus on negativity to create drama clicks for their channels. I'm so sick of the bullshit, clickbait titles that I'm running out of channels to watch. There's precious few (this channel included) that actually have non-drama related topics.

[@afternoontea02]

Cough... Cough santoslop

[@MYWanCh]

😂😂😂😂 ffs i cant disagree more to this

[@GenshinKnight1]

people are just now realizing how terrible the wuwa community is?😂

[@Dovahkiin3759]

The recent comment that you left on a Saintontas video was so funny, you pissed off so many goobers 🤣

[@ephraimabad2275]

I show my appreciation by buying the monthly pass because that's all i can afford

[@eherden2169]

My rule is if in the current patch I am enjoying myself a good amount and see myself playing in the future then (if I can) I might get the $5 daily login bonus or the BP.

[@amari7782]

Slight correction it’s not that the og story was too dark It’s more that the characters were way too hostile to the rover to a point where sanhua was attacking them on sight despite the rover showing up with jiyan and apparently even NPCs were that great to the rover either. Overall from a story standpoint the story suffered from the rover having no reason to actually help cuz everyone was ass holes in the beginning

[@Squashua2727]

I agree that many of the changes made based on feedback were not good, like the story changes. I want Kuro to do what's in line with their own vision and what makes them money, so they can keep making this and other great games better. I'll get the characters and weapons I want even if I have to save for reruns or spend more.

[@EtherealRune]

YT getting filled with "Kuro keeps listening!"-videos. "WuWa community seems getting less appreciative." Ok. I disagree. Seems to me like you're getting 'one-guy'd' here. We had those "selfish"-people already at launch of WuWa and you will have them in every game (or idiots in general). From my perspective people are still being very much in unison with Kuro and how they are doing things and they keep being surprised when they notice that a company actually listens to what the playerbase has to say. Will this fall off? Yes. Both situations will becocome less frequent over time. Kuro listening and players will start normalize things. That's just the natural order of how things come to be at some point. The recent situation also isn't the way you described. The fact that the new 4* character is on a re-run banner simply is an odd choice. Nobody is "entitled" just because they don't want to invest and waste their resources (they spend time in to gather and collect) in order to pull for a 4* unit on a banner where they don't even want to 5*, either because they already got him or don't need him. That is, ultimately, not respecting the players time and forcing them into a bad situation. Now Kuro listened. Added Youhou buyable to the shop and gave a proper solution. Perfect scenario of how to handle things if you make a bad choice. Did they overwork themselves for this? No. Stop. You're being ridculous. They added something to the shop. Relax. You need to judge situations in a self-contained environment, not trying to connect dots where they don't belong. Has Kuro being generous and amazing company so far? Yes. Does that exclude them from making mistakes? No. So people were pointing out bad decisions, that's all there is to it. You claiming that people are entitled because they should be happy they got a free 5* already etc is such a weird take. And the previous story-part/situation. Can't say much, I don't know the details, but chances are when the people were not satisfied with how the story was presented then it probably was for a good reason. And I doubt it was because the story was "dark"; people love drama and dark stories and I'm pretty confident WuWa will get there, too. And nobody is working against Kuro; quite the opposite. People are investing money simply because they feel like Kuro deserves it, not because they need a copy of a 5* amongst other things. The game is generous as it is and that's the reason why people actually 'are' appreciative and Kuro knows and sees that and that's exactly why they keep doing what they doing. I think you simply got a completely wrong look on things. Gotta stop giving so much attention to the loud minority that is complaining; they do not represent reality. Gotta be a bit reasonable with those "I am concered about situation XYZ"-takes, though. WuWa has an insane amount of doomposters as it is, because nobody was expecting the game to do as good as it does and now every little detriment will be seen as a reason the game is "dying" (again, the 10th time now) and you see doomposts all over the internet of different varieties. People need to chill, really.

[@sheizanskyline]

I've had 80 doompost screenshot from even before wuwa launched and that's not even 5% of all lmao. From my 10 years experience of weathering gacha games, I know wuwa will be just fine. Kuro did questionable experiments at times but overall they are doing very fine. I believe in their vision. PGR didnt get to Survival Lucem in just a few months. I'd wait until half-anni to see more.

[@Gheniel_]

Cbt1 story had alot of problems, way more problems than the current story.

[@Gheniel_]

​@@sheizanskylinethats why thet call wuwa an "spontaneous project"

[@badussywar8938]

Honestly I think it’s annoying that people spam “devs listened!!!” Videos over the stupidest things. “We asked for attractive female characters and kuro listened!” LMAO, they were gonna add hot female characters even if you didn’t ask for them “omg devs listened they’re adding new events to the game!”… ??? EVERY gacha game does this 😭 the wuwa community needs to learn that not every little thing that kuro does is a “devs listened” moment

[@AAAAnca]

apparently the CBT1 story also has pacing and plot issues, just differently. but there were definitely some stuff that was cut out that would make the game quite a bit more interesting. unfortunately a good amount of people didn't like it and were loud about it, and apparently the majority of which were the Chinese playerbase. you're right though, people being shallow, shortsighted, and entitled as well as Kuro's generosity and goodwill being taken for granted is really shitty and i hope it doesn't get out of hand. also hope Kuro has the wisdom to ignore those kinds of feedback.

[@anormalguy8407]

Literally today had an argument with someone when they were complaining about tacet fields not giving enough, and I explained to them you don't even need them to have many great echo sets in only a few months of time. Then they proceed to call me toxic and how I'm the problem and that the game will literally turn into genshin 2.0 because of it

[@TechyCatz]

Don't forget the fact you can share echoes in the tower making building people significantly easier. Also crit values are easier to get as well

[@anormalguy8407]

@@TechyCatz exactly, i use the same echos for my chixia from Encore. Pretty sure they are also working on loadouts

[@Richkero1995]

This is why listening too much isn't good for the game, if you are the creator, you should direct your player not vice versa. Player's greed will not be satisfied so what you can do is to make a game so good they will tolerate whatever business practice you would do because they feel the game is worth it. Handing out free rewards isn't the answer and sometimes can make your products look cheap, just like typical 2d gacha games. The quality od the content is why games like FGO while being so stingy keep making so much money.

[@TalkingGenprey]

Ultimately, the interaction between gacha devs and consumers is transactional (not quite mutual)--rather than make key changes or provide enticing freebies out of goodwill, Kuro's aim is rooted in player retention. The nature of this relationship entails a tug-o-war sort of interaction, as devs will introduce new/different aspects of a game that directly benefit them, and players give criticism (to which devs then respond). Ideally, this leads to a 'happy medium', where a small portion of players may still be unsatisfied, but the general is at least accepting of the end result. WuWa has a positive history so far in its 5 months of life, yet those who are unhappy with, say, Youhu being limited to a rerun banner were rational based on the fact that it was placed between 2 high-damand banners and includes a split rateup between 2 other SRs. The impact of such a design is known based on knowledge from other gacha with similar banner formats (Hoyo series), so we already understand such a move to be that 'pull' mentioned in the above interaction. On the contrary, changing the script of a story so suddenly has known repercussions. Players demanding parts of a story to be suddenly replaced can be considered to be irrational, as doing so puts strain on the writing team that is already occupied with future chapters and events (resulting in poorer quality due to rushed work). The WuWa community can look to be 'entitled' with how they seemingly demand everything--yet what we're actually seeing are just different players criticizing different parts of the game. Someone who complains about the story, for example, may not have actually cared about Youhu being exclusive to Jiyan's banner. With that being said, it's important to give constant and constructive criticism (when one feels it's needed) to maintain a healthy relationship (as far as gacha dev to players go, at least). Yes, Kuro is doing a great job with WuWa, but that only goes as far as giving us players an understanding that they are receptive to feedback and we should be patient and understanding (while still providing feedback). Not every request will be answered, which is at the point where the individual needs to decide to roll with the punches or simply consider a new game (rather than actually acting entitled and making irrational demands). I wouldn't be concerned with the devs getting burned out--they have separate teams of people handling different matters, so any fatigue is the result of internal issues that we do not have an effect on.

[@OZNIH]

This is my first gacha game and Kuro has set my standards for future gachas I play

[@Squashua2727]

@IronRuffnek How does one who has never played a gacha game hear about Wutherinf Waves? The first time I heard of Wuthering Waves years ago, I was chatting with a Genshin friend.

[@OZNIH]

@Squashua2727 honestly random on KZbin during cbt testing and I was like that looks cool and my son plays genshin but doesn't care for wuthering waves

[@MrGoodra17]

For me the biggest mistake they made has been rewriting the entire story instead of improving on what was done just because players didn't like it. When it comes to story, devs must not change their vision because it's THEIR story and changing it just shows a lack of confidence in what they're doing

[@tiz8916]

Can you tell me please how they change the story? Because i'm reading this every time but nobody say in which way it was different, and i'm pretty curious about it.

[@MrGoodra17]

@@tiz8916 I only know that before the characters had more personality instead of existing just to glaze the rover. But my point is that devs should not rewrite the entire story just because player wanted to

[@MrBentalton777]

@@MrGoodra17 if you think they exist just to glaze the rover then you have not been paying attention to the story.

[@MrGoodra17]

@@MrBentalton777 whatever makes you happy

[@MrBentalton777]

@@MrGoodra17 ? im just stating fact cause i unlike some people know what glazing someone or something means.

[@veedizzy]

I'll be honest, I am guilty of this expecting a free 5-star. Maybe time for me to tone down. But it's fun to speculate. Not to expect but to just talk about the possibilities.

[@kouly85vang77]

I have a issue why can't we funnel unwanted echo into other echo to level them

[@johnathongreen6227]

Dude, regardless, free stuff or not. It's one hell of a solid game. That's free haahhaa ❤ great video

[@Gacha_Drax]

Maaaaan….. Kuro is amazing and they are doing a great job, let the people try out nebula joy, then they might have more appreciation to Kuro games cause scamula joy FUCKING SUCKS

[@sheizanskyline]

@@Gacha_Drax I think for people with less amount of reference and experience they might not have enough knowledge of other gacha games and how they deal with their players hahah. I've been in one that powercreeps every 2 week, truly a nightmare.

[@Gacha_Drax]

@@sheizanskyline ohh man so true!!!

[@zycane]

They should never have listened to early CBT players whining about the darker story, death of yangyang. They changed story from a bit darker and brutal (which was interesting), into some genshin disney kids storyline, which was hard to get through initially. Made you able to predict almost anything, because you saw everything was just padded with kids gloves, where as had they kept the early death, no one would have felt safe, and that would have, made it all more exciting. And I completely disagree with the whole, "players shouldn't demand more" sentiment. Because that's what drives a game into letting them off with bad changes, and lack of improvements/big fixes. Love the game, play it every day, but it has a lot of potential, which is still left at their table.

[@demontekdigital]

I couldn't agree more with you, Fox. I've been worried about this since I started playing WuWa. You can see in comments when new events drop, and people piss, and moan about there being not enough astrites in the rewards. Um, it's SUPPOSED to not be enough. If they give people enough to pull characters without spending money, the company goes under, and we lose a damn good game! How the hell can we expect them to keep the lights on if they're giving it all away for free? Kuro has the least expensive pity out of any of them, there's no 50/50 on 5-star weapons, and they give us a ton of pulls per patch. It's not their fault people want to blow all their resources to try to get every single character in the game. Maybe hold back a little, and save! If we're going to continue to expect kuro to grease our palms they might as well pull the Gacha system out, put a full pricetag on the game, and sell it on steam ffs. Rant over, lol.

[@Sekiro_Ookami]

Content Creator and their Toxic Positivity to Wuthering Waves community may have entitlement issue 🤡. Didn't know even WuWa content creator likes to farm drama

[@omidiartgaming]

where is this? reddit or twitter?

[@Heyyo-u8u]

I agree with Youhu and people complaining about it being unfair but Really if you think in a way why people complained is because of iiyan lol nobody wants to risk not getting camellya and accidentally pulling on jiyan.lets say in 1.4 the first banner gonna be Camellya and just like this patch Lumi the 4 star unit will not be in her banner but in a rerun and that rerun will be Yinlin and i can bet u nobodys gonna complain Lumi being on Yinlins banner because everyone wants yinlin so the only one to blame is Jiyan xd

[@markleebatiquin9179]

Guys, don't be greedy to kuro games. thier are the best devs they listen to every feedback to their playerbase if this keeps going our greedyness to our minds towards of kuro games to ask a lot of generosity One day, kuro games will had enough and turn like hoyoverse sunk all your money I mean, like we don't let Solon Lee turn like Dawei 😰

[@thomaskennedy5728]

That's only genshin. ZZZ and HSR are very generous.

[@markleebatiquin9179]

@thomaskennedy5728 I agree

[@FutayuriShironeko]

Kuro are listening and thats good, but when cry babies yell about youhu being on Jiyan banner thats where you ignore them. Yes they are generous, but they need to make money somehow.

[@glebscheglov9291]

Actually, they dealt with yuohu problem already. You can buy her in shop next patch with 80 premium corals

[@FutayuriShironeko]

@@glebscheglov9291 I'm aware, I was talking about people who cried about it.

[@MrBentalton777]

4 stars don't make them money so saying they need to make money somehow dosent make sense. 5 stars make them money not 4 stars

[@FutayuriShironeko]

@@MrBentalton777 The amount of Kaeya, Lisa, Kaveh, etc mains shows otherwise. Same with Sanhua, Yangyang, Chixia, Danjin and upcoming Lumi and Youhu mains in Wuwa. Also spending pulls on banner with your desired 4* will make people more willing to spend of 5* banner they DO want, since it cuts into your astrite reserves.

[@MrBentalton777]

@@FutayuriShironeko you can have a 4 star main without rolling for said 4 star lol. also literally no one rolls for lisa or kaeya know why? they are only on the standard bnanner and not anywhere else. having a main does not ever mean you rolled specifically for them. and no one with a brain will waste money on the standard banner. literally no one ever rolls on a 5 stars banner if all they want is the 4 star. as the 4 star you may want is never guarantied so it would be illogical rolling solely for them and a waste of money

[@averagemobileplayergfs7383]

Wait…Wait…WAIT! Who’s saying this? I’m sorry but no, from my experience talking to other people playing WuWa. All of them *ARE* grateful for what KURO done to for us 🤷‍♂️ None and I mean NONE of them were ever saying “KURO should give us more freebies and we expect each mistake they make to give us free gems”. Like, what? You’re talking about a small and I mean *SMALL* % of the player base that have this mindset. The majority of player base don’t have that mindset and don’t expect anything from KURO. KURO doesn’t have to give us anything for free and they still do even after the fact. Yes, the beginning of the game *WAS* too dark(world wise) and most players agreed it deserved a somewhat brighten color palette. Thats why it’s called a “beta” test, so they can take feedback from everyone and make changes, if needed before the official release of the game. Even the story wasn’t that good in the “beta” stages and the story indeed was better upon it’s official launch 🤷‍♂️ All the QoL changes till this day are *ALL* amazing QoL changes that actually made the game overall better for everyone…

[@TheHitsukia]

Kuro is just proving why other gaming companies are evil. It’s because they know nice guys finish last. Humans like it rough. It can’t be helped.

[@189snake]

Absolutely agreed. One such example is the world puzzles, its so dumbed down because people actually struggled with launch versions, they actually added a useless shooting tool because people didnt wanted to switch to chixia or aalto to shoot. I mean come on who are these people.