Italian According to Wuthering Waves - A Tragicomedy

[@ShadowXImpact]

I am NOT complaining about the game or the update, I'm stating the objective truth about Italian words being mispronounced, same thing I did for Genshin Impact. I don't understand why I even need to specify this...

[@WastedTalent83]

Lol there are a couple VA from npc you can totally say they are italian , but everybody else can't get italian words even if they try ahhahaha

[@codei-b1263]

Oh they wouldn't know unless they watched the video, even me, at first I thought you are going to talk about the architecture of Ragunna 😂.

[@ShadowXImpact]

@@WastedTalent83 yeah, the gondolier is definitely Italian just like Andreas, so the Studio had Italian people there, but no one cared to ask them what the right pronunciation of those words was... And curiously, those same Italian NPCs don't have a single Italian word in their scripts......

[@ShadowXImpact]

@@codei-b1263 yeah, it's all about the exotic vibe that Italian words bring to the table, but unless you speak Italian, you wouldn't even notice that those are pronounced completely wrong. I guess the vibe was more important than accuracy, plus Italian words are almost alwaya butchered in games, movies, TV shows, nor does it matter if we Italians complain about it, so... Also, I don't have enough expertise to talk about architecture. I did study it, but that's not my field of studies, it's actually cultural mediation

[@WastedTalent83]

@@ShadowXImpact i can assure you, asians don't give a shit. I was in korea working 6 months, in an italian restaurant run by koreans. they went on an wrote a luminous sign "lorenzo di Cucina" didn't even bother to ask me the ONLY italian there.. if the sentence was correct.

[@darmansbar7900]

As Italian myself as well I realize that not everything HAS to be 100% accurate especially when talking about names (It is VERY funny to hear F1 commentators talking about Daniel Ricciardo) or surnames (My surname is Cristofaro and they pronounced it in the same way they do in Northern Italy, especially in Milan and Venice which I find very funny) What I cared about was if the culture of Rinascita was faithful to the inspiration unlike what another company did with their representation of Germany, Japan, ME and the SEA/LA/CA and Kuro Games has heavily used Italian, alongside German, culture in PGR and they were in the expectations, even the usage of the "Mafia" is just a coat of paint, the struggle is political and very reminiscent of the background between the Montecchi e Capuleti That the case of Roccia's voice lines, while badly pronounced, get a pass from me because they fit her role as an improv artists it helps the actor to take a breather between prompts being words that are of common usage especially in Improv where more often than not the sketches involve sudden twits or random characters approaching so those lines are used very often The F in Fenrico is there is basically a hint of the true nature of the situation in Ragunna since he is the Resonator of the being that we can see from the Bank, IYKYK But the real fun are the three Fratelli Brothers (Fratellino, Fratello and Fratellone) I had a real laughing attack when I read that Small nitpick: localization teams are not the ones telling the voice actors how to pronounce things but Voice Actor Director, and more often than not is because they are all the time on a crunch so they do a couple of takes and move on But I am glad that I was not the only one of thinking about a nice slice of Provola during the bossfghit

[@ShadowXImpact]

@@darmansbar7900 the problem with Roccia's voice lines is that they don't really make sense... Especially "figurati", i have no idea what they thought it even meant when they picked that word. I don't really know about Fenrico. Unless they wanted to make his name sound like Fenrir, but I haven't gone down the lore that much to figure it out, to be honest. I must have missed the three brothers, because I would have immediately added them into the video. Where are they even??? I mean, okay, it's the voice actor director, but still, how long does it take to double check those few words? I guess we were all hungry back then, Provola really took over us!

[@MysticLuka]

@@ShadowXImpact The three brothers are the NPC's you talk to for various exploration challenges/puzzles like the fly to destination challenge and the walk along a path as a lil fluffy echo to pick up pages challenge

[@JustsomeguyXII]

Honestly for me as an italian overall the only thing i had to mentally make a deal to be at peace and try to ignore is the pineapple on pizza from margherita

[@ShadowXImpact]

@@JustsomeguyXII was there a pineapple pizza somewhere? I didn't even see it. The one on the table had pepperoni on top. But then again, we put everything on our pizzas, like pistachio, tuna, onions, even kebab, whatever you can think of, you can find it, so why is pineapple such a big deal, when we normally have agrodolce food without any problem?

[@JustsomeguyXII]

@@ShadowXImpact cuz there is huge difference between ingredients and the result , pineapple just does not make sense both taste wise and by itself since is tropical fruit at that , ew anyways that aside yea , its called pizza tropicale it was mentioned and shown on the ads for the mergherita pizzeria and then it is in the game

[@sushimuncher282]

They have their own pineapple counterpart, which is frowned upon in-game, forgot what's it called. where as Tropicale is fine.

[@MysticLuka]

@@JustsomeguyXII You say all this and what's really funny is there's literally a few NPC's in the city that comment about how gross pineapple on pizza is LMAO

[@lonemarkkingoftypos3722]

@@MysticLuka i was going to say this lol. Anyways, that NPC is only there at night on a table and chair with someone.

[@rexevan6714]

Be sure to put all this in the FEEDBACK menu in the game. Cuz we know they listen

[@ShadowXImpact]

@@rexevan6714 I'll do it, many people told me they actually care about feedback

[@isaiahhaley4816]

Watching this was lokey funny lol like I can sense the frustration in your voice

[@ShadowXImpact]

@@isaiahhaley4816 frustration.... We need to create a new word for this feeling, because frustration isn't cutting it anymore! I mean, you saw the last chapter.... How hard is that? But then, they would have to care, while all they needed was exotic-sounding words to make the game cooler...

[@isaiahhaley4816]

@ I haven’t played in a while and non of them look interesting to me other then the girl with the red flower that was like the main villain or antagonist but it’s weird how so many people will praise this game and shit on genshin when genshin dies a better job with naming their characters

[@ShadowXImpact]

@isaiahhaley4816 I've read so many things on wuwa reddits against genshin impact... Which, on its own, it's very immature, because they need to make other games look bad so that wuwa looks better... I mean, they said that Klee's Childe voice is creepy, while Encore or Roccia's adult voices, despite them being kids, are way better. I guess they live in a different world, because here in Italy, kids normally have kids voices... But it's not like genshin never made mistakes. There's a reason why I call every single Harbinger with the name the Tsaritsa gave them, except for Childe. I NEVER say Tartaglia, he's always Childe... We all know why, I talked about it in this video, too, when I mentioned Modigliani....

[@isaiahhaley4816]

@ ye genshin does put effort into their nations culture but not enough compared to how they do with Liyue not gonna lie im tired of going to that nation every year for a fucking new years even like why couldn’t they do that for every other nation where we go back to the previous nation that we were before to celebrate New Year’s with them like I get it its their culture but holy do they glaze it a lot

[@ryoidfurong905]

It's confirmed that the Wuwa 2.0 is flopping then, they can't even do the whole region right. The incompetence aside, don't blame Kuro, blame the VA studio. This game is a live service game that have synchronized update in four different language voice, and there is no absolute background of culture in any of them. If you notice it, it's almost as if the mispronunciation is by design, because it is. The same with anything related to Jinzhou, and the pronunciation of Huang Long. This is not done because of laziness, but for consistency amongst many VAs and the continuity of voice direction even until the future region and culture. Imagine you go to Russia-themed culture region and when an NPC callsback the region of Rinascita, they performed a perfect pronunciation. The monotonous constant of all accent-filled words are intended to ease all sort of VAs because words like Rinascita or character name like Roccia will need a lot of takes and practiced attempts, and now imagine maintaining the consistency of the pronunciation of other 30 different VAs from different background and their supposed Accents. Time will be consumed, and it can be fatal in term of management, especially since a VA studio doesn't only work for a single company or game. The studio that Wuwa used for example, have contract with Reverse 1999, and now the newly signed contract of Genshin Impact. In gacha game where they need a stream of update every 6 weeks, maintaining accented pronunciation for a commonly used and important words is not worth it.

[@lleonidasion]

As a Greek, I knew that Zanni's accent seemed familiar but wasn't sure why. Great vid by the way. I suggest you use a de-esser for the s to stand out that much on the recording.

[@ShadowXImpact]

@@lleonidasion it's been years since I played Assassin's Creed Odyssey, or I would have recognized that accent in a second. Sadly, I've only ever met one Greek person in my life, so I don't really hear that accent in my daily life. Still, thank you, I'm happy you liked it!!! As for the S, the problem is actually the opposite. I need to say them strong, or my microphone will remove them entirely, that's why sometimes they're a little too strong, it's because I pronounce them extra hard to make sure they won't get cut, especially at the beginning of a sentence. What I need is not a de-esser, it's a better microphone entirely....

[@lleonidasion]

@ShadowXImpact Oh I see lol

[@Deca777-g3o]

Remember that the world of sol 3 is warped Beyond recognition for an apocalipsis in the making since 14000 years, is a miracle in itself that a culture is a thing in the world

[@ShadowXImpact]

@@Deca777-g3o yeah, but when it comes to the languages used in the game, sadly, we can't justify them with lore. I mean, if our world was on the verge of an apocalypse, would you forget how to pronounce words in your own language? Would an entire country forget how to? So yeah, the problem lies in how little effort was put into researching the words they had to use in the game, and that's because, let's be honest, devs don't care about it, what they care about is the exotic feeling those words give... It's disrespectful, but what can we even do about it? I'm so used about Italian being misused at this point...

[@jjb93]

​​​​​@@ShadowXImpact actually it can happen historically, like the english people who moved to australia developed their own accent or americans who still speak english have their own and have their own culture.

[@naya4050]

@@jjb93 this. You will be surprised by how things will be easily forgotten by people.

[@ShadowXImpact]

@@jjb93 yeah, but I mean, these people in Rinascita forgot only how to pronounce their own Italian words, whole everything else is normally pronounced. It's weird, if we want to use the lore to explain it. Even the people who went to Australia, yes they created a new accent and new words, but they still put the stress on the right syllables when they speak English...

[@jjb93]

@@ShadowXImpact what about americans then? They no longer sound british. And if uve noticed, people in rinascita have different accents, so its all a mix. Its heavily inspired by italian culture or european but rinascita is not italy, all types of people live there hence the diff accents.

[@TheBilayer]

I get your feeling haha. When people pronoun chinese incorrectly. Thank you for the teaching! I don't think Rinacista is only inspire from Italy. Ragunna do look like Venice I will say is Europe instead. The boss Hecate is from Greece Lorelei is Germany. Gargoyle is from France

[@ShadowXImpact]

@@TheBilayer yeah, I never said it's only based on Italy, I said it's heavily inspired on Italy, but as a nation built by multiple groups of people coming from different parts of the world, it's evident that there are different cultures mixed together, represented by different nations of mainly Europe

[@WastedTalent83]

"most" of it its inspired from italy but yea they mixed lots of other stuff here and there. but the video is solid. i don't say i would have changed much about the pronunciation, but they could have at least TRIED to get close to the correct one.

[@darmansbar7900]

Italy had a lot of cultural influences in her history, the South was for a long time in Ancient Times called "Magna Grecia" (Greater Greece) due to the presence of powerful colonies, German culture was for a long time in Italy, the name of the region Lombardia, comes from the Germanic people of the Longobardi, and Gargoyle actually comes from the latin word "gurgulio", from there it derived to "gargouille"

[@TheBilayer]

@darmansbar7900 Woah! Thanks for the information 👍 I will go read up more. The Gargoyle "la gargouille" is interesting to know it is a dragon that ward off evil.

[@AratakiBullPowerSiddo1]

​@@WastedTalent83They're the only ones in the gacha space making an attempt to do so. They'll get there with time.

[@Kekko_8195]

Fun thing is that the Japanese dub has better pronunciations in many cases. This just means there was a lack of research in the English voice direction.

[@ShadowXImpact]

@@Kekko_8195 well, I just checked actually. They said gocce di divino and nuvola pasta perfectly, but other words that are pronounced correctly in English, were mispronounced in Japanese. I haven't checked every word though, but I will out of curiosity

[@tearstone8231]

Have you sent this feedback to the devs using the feedback option in the game? I hope they continue to improve on this point just as they did for other parts of the game.

[@ShadowXImpact]

@@tearstone8231 I haven't, I only learned in the comment section that they actually listen to the people. Some viewers already sent a feedback to them about this, so I can finish what I'm doing before sending them a feedback myself. They won't change what's done, but who knows, maybe if those words come up again in 2.1 and later, they might be fixed

[@karst1559]

I did during the request for feedback about the 2.0 version. But I'm not expecting anything.

[@rudeimouto3034]

That's kind of how media works, unfortunately they would need to hire an entire native Italian English speaking VA cast for it to not sound out of place when someone with a british accent randomly pronounces Italian word the Italian way. You also pronounced "phrolova" incorrectly, but oh well.

[@AratakiBullPowerSiddo1]

I swear to God people be too stuck up on the accents. It'll rarely be perfect, so atleast enjoy the effort they made. Alot of companies won't even bother going that extra mile. You didn't see me complaining in Sumeru for the characters not having thick Indian, Middle-eastern or Egyptian accents.

[@ShadowXImpact]

@@rudeimouto3034 I mean, they did have at least two Italian voice actors there, Andreas and the gondolier, so it would have been too hard to ask them. Was it Phrolòva?

[@ShadowXImpact]

@@AratakiBullPowerSiddo1 so, I'm Italian, I play a game in which the devs decided to use my language and culture as inspiration, and I'm too stuck up because they got 95% of the words wrong? What effort are we actually talking about? Also, I don't think you really understand the difference between an accent and pronunciation. An accent is how I pronounce Carlotta, rolling the R and pronouncing the double T. Pronunciation is saying Carlòtta instead of Càrlotta or Carlottà. Saying that they got the pronunciations wrong is only natural. I clearly stated in the disclaimer that I wasn't expecting the voice actors to give up on their own language to pronounce the words with the right accent, but saying Divìno instead of Dìvino is a completely different thing (especially since in English the word sounds just the same, so it makes no sense to change the stress). This is not going the extra mile, it's giving the bare minimum of respect toward a language they decided to use. No one asked them to use Italian, it was their choice, so they could have at least spent 5 minutes to avoid mispronouncing those few words. If instead paying respect means going the extra mile, then we're really in a bad and sad situation here.... Edit. Even in Japanese they managed to say "gocce di divino" and "nuvola pasta" perfectly.... Did they go the extra mile then?

[@rudeimouto3034]

I don't know how to spell Phrolova for you phonetically, but its Russian so google translate should do the job. Andreas and the goldolier are side characters after all. I have no idea how many native Italian english speakers are out there in professional voice acting industry on the level of Jennifer English if they were to look for them to fill an entire cast. Especially contracted by the VA studio they're working with.

[@Doro-bashi]

Italy is so peak, that even if they mispronounced some words, people really loved their effort in Italian vibes Saludos from Mexico, buen video ❤

[@ShadowXImpact]

@@Doro-bashi yeah, for non Italian players, it must sound exotic and cool just because there are Italian words. I'm happy you liked the video though!!!

[@KyoSenna]

Andreas’ VA was confirmed to be Salvatore Scarpa! He uses a similar voice in Arknights for Vigil, an operator from Siracusa which is their equivalent of Italy.

[@ShadowXImpact]

@@KyoSenna wait, where did you find it??? I've been looking for it for so long! So he is Italian!!!!! Well, Siracusa is an actual city in Sicily by the way

[@KyoSenna]

@@ShadowXImpact It's a credit under his IMDB page!

[@amorimjt]

I've been hoping to find a good lore content creator for Wuwa since the beginning of the game... when I saw a video from you about it, I was so happy... sadly you won't be making Wuwa Lore videos (for now, at least)... but i still enjoyed the video a lot. Just like i watched videos teaching how to say the names of Leyue characters... it was nice to see the same for Rinascita. I'm Brazilian with deep love for learning new languages... so like you... i really try my best to pronounce everything correctly... even French... i'm glad to have learned some Italian words thanks to you. And if you ever decide to make any Wuwa video... i'll watch. See you soon for the discussion of the new information we'll get from Lantern Rite.

[@ShadowXImpact]

@@amorimjt the idea behind this video is based on Ying's video on Liyue names. Every time I make a video about Liyue, I always watch her video to pronounce those words correctly, and it was also the reason why a guy felt the urge to "announce" the fact that he was unsubscribing because "I can't even say Liyue right", because I said it the way she, a Chinese person, says it.... I'm happy I was able to help and that you learned something about Italian though!!! But yeah, who knows, maybe the story will become even more interesting and I'll decide to make theory videos. The future is unknown, so it would be stupid of me to say "no, I will never make theory videos about wuwa". I didn't even want to play it, and here we are, so... I haven't started Lantern Rite yet..... I'll do it today, like in a little bit actually!!!

[@R0x0r]

Great vid! Was nice to see an actual Italian talk about the different Italian words with proper pronunciation and give some context around these words. Pepe one made be laugh. XD Hope them butchering your language wont distract too badly from enjoying the game as I found 2.0 absolutely phenomenal. As to why they potentially intentionally mispronounced some words my guess would be cuz they went for more of a stereotypical Englishified Italian accent as it sounds better in middle of an English sentence. Like for example all their pronunciations sound like they fit in an English sentence while majority of your correct pronunciations sound wrong as if they were mispronounced cuz of the huge pronunciation differences in these 2 languages, so hearing an English accent and then all of a sudden properly pronounced Italian word and then English again would sound super out of place. But if all characters talked the English parts with an Italian accent like Zani then those properly pronounced words would fit right into the sentence, that's also why they felt natural coming from Zani. Not saying that's good or excuses it tho, as we would probably get used to it fairly quickly, while giving proper representation. I suggest writing this in their surveys as kuro is very responsive to feedback and improved voce over dramatically already since release with player feedback. I will mention it for sure. As someone that loves both genshin and wuwa and has been enjoying your genshin content for a while, I would love to see some occasional wuwa content on the channel too =D

[@ShadowXImpact]

@@R0x0r thank you!!! I'm happy you liked it!!! It's not too distracting, but it hurt every time I heard one of those words. Though, version 2.0 was definitely better than 1.0, the dialogues sounded more natural, and characters didn't fall madly in love with Rover, well, except for Carlotta, but I loved how they both looked at Brant with disgust when he hinted at them falling in love with just one glance! Yes, it sounds like they made words fit with English pronunciation, which probably for an English speaker would make complete sense, but then again why use Italian if you're not going to really use Italian? By the way, Zani is Greek, Andreas is the Italian one. But I have to say, "divino" for example, makes more sense as we say it in Italian, because the way they said it, makes it so hard to pronounce both in Italian and in English.... I can try sending them a feedback, but I don't think they would call the voice actors back to record those lines all over again to fix the pronunciation. If they cared about it, they wouldn't have made those mistakes in the first place... When 2.1 comes out, I'll probably make another video, even though this one isn't going to perform at all, as you can see from the views. I'm even getting people saying that I'm complaining about everything just like a true Italian would, which is so stupid...

[@R0x0r]

@ Nice to hear you still enjoyed it. Yeah I love Brants vibe, he's hilarious! But yeah the wuwa community can be a overly defensive cuz of all the constant harassment from genshin community. Wish the tribalism constant shift flinging back and forth wasn't a thing. I love both. As for rerecording yeah probably not but maybe they would see that people prefer authentic pronunciation instead of Englishified so they would change their approach for future regions. But maybe they would rerecord later as they did do that for a branch of lines in the 1.0 act due to player feedback. We can only hope

[@gyannunez]

12:17 Don’t tell him how Canadians say “pasta”.

[@ShadowXImpact]

@@gyannunez wait.... H-how do Canadian say pasta? It's just two syllables, how can it be pronounced wrong???

[@gyannunez]

@ They pronounce the first ‘A’ with the vowel sound in “cat”.

[@ShadowXImpact]

@@gyannunez I just watched some Canadian people being mocked because of how they say pasta. Most of them says it pretty correctly, except for one who had this "Ae" sound, like an American with a very strong accent saying "cat". I thought it was going to be worse, like Pastà to be honest🤣

[@gyannunez]

@@ShadowXImpact /ˈpæstə/ is how I usually hear them say it. It just sounds so wrong. That /æ/ sound is really distinct to Americans and using it in the wrong place (especially approximating words from other languages that don’t have that sound) is pretty painful to hear. We make fun of British people for pronouncing “taco” with that sound, too. Not that we get it 100% correct either, it just sounds less… jarring. I might have to rewatch the video to confirm this, but I think part of what’s going on with WuWa is mixture of native English speakers’ usual difficulty with other languages, partially because of our broken spelling system, and the American tendency to treat foreign languages as if they are Spanish. Putting the stress on the penultimate syllable and really emphasizing the ‘i’ sound are what give me that impression. Even though most Americans don’t speak another language, because of a large Hispanic population and proximity with Mexico we do hear and see it a lot. Incorporating seemingly random Americanized Spanish into the middle of sentences is common, too. In Genshin Itto does it in the English dub a lot. Americans tend to approach other languages as if they are Spanish partially because of familiarity, but also because the sounds of Spanish SEEM more universal, especially things like the rolled R, the 5 vowels, more consistent spelling, and the stress pattern.

[@marcelloestemiele]

Ahahah bellissimo, pieno di informazioni culturali (alcune non le sapevo nemmeno 🤯) comunque ho pullato Roccia solo per quel "figuràtti" hahah

[@kyoukisatori4988]

This video is the 2nd I've ever found that talking about pronunciations. I love this for WuWa. I hope to see, hear and learn from any follow-up videos.

[@ShadowXImpact]

@@kyoukisatori4988 we'll see when 2.1 comes out, what's going to happen to the game. If they fixed the pronunciations (I kinda doubt it, but hope is the last one to die), then I'll make a video to say that they did a great job!

[@regissofi7138]

I'm Brazilian but my entire family is Italian, so I grew up listening to my nonno saying things in Italian and... yeah even I can notice that those are wrong, why and how that went into the game? xD

[@ShadowXImpact]

@@regissofi7138 I have no idea, honestly... I hope it's just because they wanted words to sound different from English, so they changed the stresses indiscriminately, because if they did that on purpose, it would be very weird....

[@WastedTalent83]

thing is this. Italian will know, the rest of the world wont, and don't care. They will think its italian and its correct, cause they don't know better, so why would the company care? When literally 100% of the content creator went on the glaze of "Zani italian accent" LOL , i was there is ALL comment.. saying Zani accent is 100% NOT italian.. you think anybody cared?

[@ricecola9609]

I they should try getting some Arknights voice actor's, a majority if not all of them are perfectly picked with proper accent and pronunciation depending on the regions they're from.

[@ShadowXImpact]

@@ricecola9609 As I said in the disclaimer, it's not the voice actors, and the same goes for arknights (never played it though), it's the voice actor director that gives instructions. Probably in arknights they have one that simply cares more about it

[@ShadowXImpact]

@@ricecola9609 wait, that name did feel familiar! I watched the anime, I didn't know it was a videogame!

[@ricecola9609]

@ShadowXImpact Oh yeah ofc no disrespect to the va's they did an amazing job. I'm just saying getting some va's from Arknights would definitely help flesh out future characters in the current regions and whatever else they decide to release. Also yeah really reccomend giving the Arknights a chance if you liked the anime, especially with Endfield coming out sometime this year.

[@asteriskonline3494]

This is very fair🤣. I finally saw someone whose language is always butchered by foreigner. As a Filipino, whenever someone mispronounces as Filipino word, I don't care anymore, since everyone does it🤣. Edit: The timestamps are wrong. But the vid is amazing! Please do more Wuwa vids. I want see how many Italian cultures they got right or wrong.

[@ShadowXImpact]

@@asteriskonline3494 oh my God!!!! I forgot to change the timestamps!!!! I'M SO SUPID!!!!! But yeah, Italian, like Filippino it seems (isn't it called Tagalog?), is always butchered, like if you see Italian as an inspiration, you have a 99% certainty words are going to be completely wrong.... I'm also pretty much used at this point...

[@ShadowXImpact]

@@asteriskonline3494 i just removed the timestamps, I'll fix them as soon as I get to the computer. Thank you for making me notice it!!!

[@rxceed]

@@ShadowXImpact It's actually spelled FILIPINO, and Tagalog is just one the many languages in the Philippines... And don't spell it PHILIPPINO, either... Filipino is the major language which is based on Tagalog...

[@eririnsideacc]

Finally someone speaking up about this lol

[@ShadowXImpact]

@@eririnsideacc not that it's going to change much, but at least I tried! 😁

[@ben-taobeneton3945]

HAHAH! This _Commedia dell'arte!_ Loved it! 😂 I finally found someone who is Italian and spoke about this. I used to work and live in _Riccione_ , Italy, for some time, and I was corrected many times when I spoke Italian. 😂 But thank you and sorry that you suffered this ear-skreeking and educated us - the Western world about this. _Grazie mille!_🙏

[@ArniQQ10]

This was surprisingly interesting. Good job.

[@ShadowXImpact]

@@ArniQQ10 thank you!!! I'm happy you liked it!

[@Schnubi]

I started to laugh so much at "Pepe, which is kinda a dog name, not for a person" 😭 I did find Zanis vibes to be similar to a certain father, but more harem-ified for this game. And then you kinda confirmed it 😅 but this video is So funny, I can hear your frustration.

[@ShadowXImpact]

@@Schnubi when I saw Pepe, I was like "for real?"! Zani.... White and red hair with black horns, black and red eyes, tight pants, and her name comes from Zanni.... Yeah.... As soon as I saw her for the first time, a specific person came to mind for "some" reason... Still, I think she's actually one of the best characters in 2.0, and her voice reminds me of one of my favorite games of all time, so I'm really happy! The frustration... It's over 9000!

[@equinox2909]

I learned a lot! Thanks for this delightful video. And maybe they inteltionally made those pronunciations like that to indicate that there's still a fine line between real life and fantasy since if they really made it 100% based in real life, if they butchered some of the words, it might cause some issues with other people (just like what happened to Natlan characters of Genshin).

[@ShadowXImpact]

@@equinox2909 if that were the case, I would have expected English words to be butchered as well... I'm of the idea that, if you're going to use foreign words, it's completely fine not to switch accent, but the right pronunciation should be a must, or it will sound like they're mocking the people who speak that language. Even in my genshin videos, I always research the right pronunciation of words whenever I had to say something that's not English or any other language I know, it's the bare minimum of respect we should all have toward other cultures

[@MaskErMito]

Grandissimo video man, perfino io che vivo in Italia ho imparato qualcosa in più (tipo nella parte dei nomi in cui evidenzi quelli di persone importanti) ahahah. Btw la parte della provola mi ha spezzato in due xD

[@ShadowXImpact]

@@MaskErMito sono felice che ti sia piaciuto e che sia stato anche utile!!! Credimi, faccio una fatica immane a pronunciare il suo nome nella maniera giusta, ormai è Provola, e per sempre lo sarà 😂😂

[@Drejkol]

Zani proposed us Pizza Tropicale, so definitely she's not Italian :D But with all seriousness, this isn't Italy. Buildings like the ones from Rinascita can be seen all over Europe, from Poland to Spain. Also, remember the very beginning - Strangers from different places founded Rinascita, that's why you have Italian/Greek accent's, Scottish/Ireland, GB, etc. And since they all live together for who know how long exactly, languages mixed a little so it's not perfect Italian, perfect Scottish, but something in between. Kuro is cooking with the lore pretty hard but you don't need to go deep to understand basics. If you want to, you can go to Gallery > Archives > Rinascita for some more information, or just speak with people around the map.

[@ShadowXImpact]

@@Drejkol yes, we could come up with an explanation through the lore, but this is still a game and the localization team decided how the actors has to pronounce those words, and they got 90% of them wrong. If you want to use other people's cultures and languages, you should also put in the effort not to misuse them, at least that's what I think. For an English speaker, it would be completely fine, because they're foreign words and they wouldn't even notice the mistakes, but for a mother tongue, it's pretty annoying to know that, whenever a word is coming up, there's only a slight chance it will be correctly pronounced. I mean, would it be okay for you if they pronounces "frequèncy" or "càthedral"? Would you be able to justify it with the lore, when everything else in other languages is correctly pronounced but the words in your own one?

[@diazpramudita5165]

@@Drejkol Yeah, but she's Greek which consistent with Pizza Tropicale was made by Greek chef.

[@karst1559]

I mean, if I remember correctly at some point they say "fiesta" which is a spanish word, slightly different from the Italian "festa". I'm still not sure that was intentional though... They mention Fleurdalyse at some point, which sounds french to me. In italian would have been Fiordaliso. Anyways sounds kinda weak as an excuse to freely butcher almost any italian word no one asked them to use. Sure, some ignorant American kids would enjoy their content as long as it kinda sounds Italian to them. But to my bleeding ears it sounds more like an insult.

[@ShadowXImpact]

@@diazpramudita5165 well, even if it was originally made by a Greek chef, it's not like Zani is making the pizza, it's Margherita, and the trattoria is clearly Italy inspired

[@ShadowXImpact]

@@karst1559 I don't remember them saying fiesta, but Rinascita is composed of different people from different parts of the world, so you'll find the entirety of Europe in that place, it's normal to hear Italian, Spanish, Greek, German words. Still, I do agree with one thing. While I was researching Zani, I stumbled on some reddits where they were praising how "Italian" the region sounds like. They care about the sound of these exotic words, they're not really interested in whether they're pronounced correctly or not. To them, this is perfect Italian just because those are not English words...

[@i1s9m9r5]

They do put effort in pronouncing the chinese names in the eng dub, so it's fair to expect the same for italian names and pronunciation. I like the video and think it was very informative

[@ShadowXImpact]

@@i1s9m9r5 I dream of a world where people put the minimum amount of effort to pay respect whenever they decide to use other people's cultures and languages.... But I'm happy you like the video and that you find it informative!!!

[@RansaMPratyaya]

It's funny watching people try to defend the mispronounced words with world building, as if that makes it any less wrong xD Great video! And thank you for your insights 😌 I hope people watch this and put "better localization" or "better cultural mediation" in the 2.0 survey feedback 🙏

[@WastedTalent83]

By the way other than Andrea, the first guy who speak with , that gives you a Gondola just at the Rinascita's dock is 100% italian too.

[@ShadowXImpact]

@@WastedTalent83 yeah, the gondolier is also extremely Italian, but since we spoke with him for like a second, I didn't include him in the video

[@MrGoodra17]

Thank god I use jp where they get most of the names right Btw, there's a game called Arknights where the characters coming from the "Italy" of that world are actually dubbed in Italian by Italian VAs and one of the characters is a tribute to Falcone.

[@ShadowXImpact]

@@MrGoodra17 I heard about it, I acurally watched the anime without even knowing it was a game! But that's a perfect level of care toward different cultures!

[@nottyseel949]

I felt like I was watching Sesame Street again, I was saying all the words after you. Very fun video. I'll add "Please use Google Translate to determine how to say words from other languages correctly" to my feedback. To be fair, I'm pretty sure they do not pronounce the Chinese words correctly consistently either. Sometimes even the same actor says it differently from one instance to another. I surely can't really see the active decision to represent another culture in detail and intentionally misrepresent the language, though. It's falling through the crack somewhere.

[@ShadowXImpact]

@@nottyseel949 it would be more like "pick an agency that double checks the right pronunciation with either a cultural mediator or Google Translate, since it's free". I remember the outrider from Version 1 saying Huanglong in a very weird way, it's like they had her say it once as correctly and edited it every time she had to say it again... I honestly went to see if she had a real voice actress, because it saounded like AI for a second. Then, suddenly, she stopped doing it, I guess when they switched agency, so she sounded more natural. I hope they didn't intentionally get them wrong, but some of them like Cristoforo of Divino, are just too sus... It's literally impossible to get them wrong, even if you follow the English pronunciation pattern, since divino and divine have the same stress...

[@nattons]

Heyy does anyone know the track starting at 10:45? I can’t find it anywhere in game 😭

[@ShadowXImpact]

@@nattons The Nimbus Chorale, that's the name of the track

[@AmProg711]

14:57 - The Phrolova one got me laughing ngl😂

[@ShadowXImpact]

@@AmProg711 you can't imagine how hard it was not to say Provola... The moment I read it wrong, it got stuck in my head, so she will forever be Provola! I'm going to laugh on my own like a maniac next time I buy one though....

[@codei-b1263]

This is nice, I actually searching for Italian reaction to Rinascita 😂. I hope the dev watched this, I mean they even accept harsh and/or even negative critics (as long as there's a clear reason for it).

[@ShadowXImpact]

@@codei-b1263 I highly doubt the devs would be watching a small channel as mine 😂 But still, this was meant to be a funny video, I'm in no means asking them to call back the voice actors and pay them again to change those pronunciations. If they did it, I would be happy, of course, but I'm not trying to make it such a big deal. Kuro is not the first nor will be the last company to butcher Italian, so I'm slowly resigning myself to the idea that Italian will always be treated like this...

[@codei-b1263]

@ShadowXImpact they may not going to redo the voice but they could improve for the future patch or maybe in the next region that took reference from real life nation/culture. Also, if you think they won't see this, you could just send them som feedbacks. 😅

[@Rosemary_Fisalia]

How about me? How do is my name pronounced in italian?

[@ShadowXImpact]

@@Rosemary_Fisalia if it's Rosemary, you'd probably pronounce your name just the way it is, there are a lot of Rosemary here (even though in English it can also be the name of a spice), unless you were named Rosa Maria, which is the two names in Rosemary but split and in Italian

[@vyexe]

Zani actually may not be a native, and being Greek makes sense. Pizza Tropicale is actually pineapple pizza. The model they used just didn't have pineapple during the cutscene. There is a small quest that says that a true native doesn't order it, and it's even an item you can make. The exact item description: "A non-traditional dish from Rinascita, topped with gemberry jam, cheese, and crownapple. When it comes out of the oven, it elicits gasps and cries. 1. NEVER mention Pizza Tropicale to a Ragunnesi. 2. NEVER mention crownapple to a Ragunnesi. 3. NEVER mention apple or crown.."

[@ShadowXImpact]

@@vyexe ahahahhaha the hidden rules behind that pizza are actually fun! I didn't see them, I didn't even know we could make it. Though, technically, no one in Rinascita is actually native of the place, they all came from somewhere because of the Lament, so they all have different cultures, Greek being just one of them

[@kasuha]

I've seen people determining pronunciation of foreign words by putting them in google translate just like you propose, but leaving the language of the source window english. Because of course, why change it to the foreign language we're trying to imitate if the voice actors speak english. It sure did not sound any worse than how any foreign names were butchered in Genshin. It's not foreign names, it's how they would be used after english speaking people adopted them from written source. And I think it's not fault of whatever game producer is ordering such voiceovers, more like general ignorance of english recording studios. Thanks for the video!

[@ShadowXImpact]

@@kasuha yeah, I kinda suspected that, although it still wouldn't explain "divino" since the stress would be on the same syllable as in English... But as I've been saying in the comments, I think they only cared about the exotic feeling of Italian words without caring about correctly representing the language. It's not like they would care if an Italian person said anything about it anyway, while English speakers probably wouldn't even notice the mistake, because they don't know the language

[@ragster22]

Re-release this video again while speaking Italian lol

[@ShadowXImpact]

@@ragster22 oh god, please no. I'm still cringing at how I said "cosa" with my southern Italian accent! 🤣

[@ragster22]

@@ShadowXImpact imma send this youtube link into WuWa's survey and see if the devs listen and start changing how they pronounce the names heh

[@romulus_rex]

FINALLY QUALCUNO CHE NE PARLA❤ also, the funny thing is in the JAPANESE dub they are pronounced correctly! Even Zani is pronounced Zanni and Capollo... is freaking COPPOLA good god

[@ShadowXImpact]

@@romulus_rex well, in Japanese I heard some big mistakes though, like Roccia is for whatever reason Rococò, but even Montelli is pronounced wrong. Cristoforo seems like it was pronounced correctly, but it sounds kinda weird, like as if it had two different stresses. Fulmine became Furumìne even... But for real, what happened to Capollo??? Why is he Coppola????

[@romulus_rex]

@ShadowXImpact tbh i kinda like rococò more, as in the style of architecture and decoration i think, very flamboyant ecc, as per Capollo, same, i mean, the reference to Coppola the film maker is really good i think. As per the other errors, i played the story half in jp and half in english. At first in english, hoping for some good accents... but getting tired of the constant butchering i switched to jp, returning to en when a new character appeared... just to promptly get hitted by the most posh english accsnt in history... the fact that the mask seller has a perfect frenc accent and pronunciation only makes it worse... HELLO??? WE ARE IN ITALY! PIZZA PASTA MANDOLINO! NON BAGUETTE OUI OUI C'EST BON!

[@Nyarurin]

Wasn't google banned in china though? That includes google translate. VPN is an option, but it is also illegal to use one. So, it all creates additional obstacles.

[@ShadowXImpact]

@@Nyarurin yeah, in China, but this is an English voice acting studio located in either the US or in the UK, where Google translate is not banned. Besides, Andreas's voice actor is Italian, so it's not like they had no one to ask to if they wanted...

[@hirods9889]

is Phoebe italian? was it prononced correctly ?

[@ShadowXImpact]

@@hirods9889 no, Phoebe is not Italian, but it's how you say that name. We don't have "ph" in Italian, we use a simple "F" instead, and we pronounce every letter with the same pronunciation, so "oe" would never change to "ee" in Italian, it would be "o" and "e". This is how you recognize that a name is definitely not Italian. That being, said, of course, if there's someone called Phoebe in Italy, we would say it like in the game

[@crackd9592]

@@ShadowXImpact Phoebe is greek name. It means bright or shining

[@WastedTalent83]

how in the hell were you able to find Zani Va name?!!? i was looking for it like a madman, because i was 100% sure she wasn't italian, i thought spanish from the accent, but greek also make sense.

[@ShadowXImpact]

@@WastedTalent83 I made A LOT of research and I finally found her. It wasn't easy, let me tell you... I got obsessed because it was an accent I've already heard somewhere and her voice specifically was somewhat familiar, so when I found she was Kyra in Assassin's Creed Odyssey, it all made sense

[@WastedTalent83]

@@ShadowXImpact By the way man.. if you go around rinascita you find diffeent other npc with italian names of famous people not only in the city, AND also in the troupe of fools, there are literally 2 NPC facing each others a guy and a woman and they have switched names hahaha the girl has a man name and the man has a girl name , its kinda hilarious after you totally forget you're italian.

[@ShadowXImpact]

@WastedTalent83 yeah, I stayed in Ragunna for than chapter, mainly because exploring the whole map looking for Italian names would have been pretty tiring. I mean, there was an Umberto and a Niccolo (which should have been Niccolò) in Ragunna and I couldn't even find them again anymore, so I had to cut them out. I looked for them for 2 hours, and they were nowhere to be found.... But, I have no idea why they gave male names to women and viceversa. It doesn't really make sense, but whatever... This is basically the only attitude I can realistically have when it's clear they didn't really care

[@WastedTalent83]

@@ShadowXImpact ahhahaha yea. its already a miracle they put so much italian content in the game i suppose..

[@MarcoCarlini-yi4yb]

As another italian myself i agree with most points in the video, my biggest problem is how rinascita is said.

[@ShadowXImpact]

@MarcoCarlini-yi4yb yeah, because it starts off with the wrong foot. We didn't even get to the region, and they've already got one name wrong, and the most important too... But oh well, I think you're as used to it as I am

[@MarcoCarlini-yi4yb]

@ShadowXImpact also apart from theese errors the game is peak

[@edgewalker00]

WuWa players who watched and disliked this video because of fair criticism are a a huge disappointment. If you left Genshin when you played WuWa, you should've also left that toxicity. 🙄

[@ShadowXImpact]

@@edgewalker00 I mean, who cares. I never even made any kind of comparison aside for Zani being Arlecchino, and if anyone watches my videos, they would see that I even complained about Tartaglia and Spina di Rosula being pronounced completely wrong. If they disliked the video, it doesn't even matter, it's actually a good thing to be honest, because there's no difference between a like and a dislike for the algorithm, it's the same kind of interaction, so again, who cares

[@Avaratras2]

I was waiting for this video. Just like I was for the Fontain video from French youtubers =)). It is not that bad but these billion dollars companies may need to do better with pronunciation of these words. It is a small thing but it can be better

[@ShadowXImpact]

@@Avaratras2 yeah, I mean, it's simple respect toward a culture and language they decided to use. It's jot like they were forced or asked to use Italian, so at the very least, they could have spent those 5 minutes to check where the stress goes on those words. It shows how much or little care they out into it, it's a small detail that goes a long way

[@AratakiBullPowerSiddo1]

I swear to God people be too stuck up on the accents. It'll rarely be perfect, so atleast enjoy the effort they made. Alot of companies won't even bother going that extra mile. You didn't see me complaining in Sumeru for the characters not having thick Indian, Middle-eastern or Egyptian accents.

[@ShadowXImpact]

@@AratakiBullPowerSiddo1 so you even posted this as an individual comment, not just a reply? Just in case anyone reads this but not the other reply, accents are one thing (the way they say Carlotta in English basically), pronunciations are another one (Carlòtta, which is correct, instead of Càrlotta, which is ridiculous and wrong). British, Greek, French, whatever language's accent, they're all okay, I don't care if the Ts in Carlotta aren't as strong as in Italian, but saying the word with the right stress, that should be the minimum level of respect toward a language that never asked to be used. "it'll rarely be perfect" is not an excuse. Just because most don't care (especially since it's Italian and not English being butchered), doesn't mean that it's okay to misuse other languages. So the "effort" you're talking about, is nowhere to be found. It takes 5 minutes, even less, to find out what the right pronunciation of a word is

[@randomorc9493]

Well, I guess Kuro has some home to do work. LMAO!

[@ShadowXImpact]

@@randomorc9493 I highly doubt they'll change those pronunciations though, but I'm basically used to it at this point, I'm not even expecting anyone to even try to pronounce Italian words correctly...

[@WastedTalent83]

"some" its an understatement.

[@mayumitmarikit]

english is never a part of daily laguage in italy thus english with italian accent quite varies. now finding a voice actor who will sound exactly like standard italian accent is hard enough, devs also has to find a VA that sounds like the character's age, gender and personality. it will make it almost impossible to find the perfect VA. anyways, you cannot review how SHOREKEEPER pronounces Rinascita because she is not a rinascita resident/resonator/character. i like Zani as character, but not the accent, maybe i just don't like italian accent, it just sounds weird to me. it's like a combination of different asian accent with rolling R. i personally like spanish and british accents

[@Apollyon-OES]

Oh shit, looks like WuWa got its own SUPAH too now 😂

[@ShadowXImpact]

@Apollyon-OES I don't know what a supah is, but I hope it's nothing bad!

[@Apollyon-OES]

@ShadowXImpact He's a fellow Italian Arknights content creator, a peculiar one at that, but without his quircks

[@ShadowXImpact]

@Apollyon-OES oh, I didn't know. I didn't even know arknights was a game to be honest, I only watched the anime, I just found out in the comment section...

[@Apollyon-OES]

​@@ShadowXImpact It's alright, we like to see new people get into this larger comunity of games. It's filled with all sorts of small thriving content creators centered around one or more of these games. They give lots of opportunities to start out content creation but just try to avoid drama as much as humanly possible. Tectone is a living testament to what happens if you don't. As for the video, I noticed there was a weird french tone to the accents in the story and yeah I get how it feels to hear things mispronounced. I'm romanian and every time I get on a stream of Resident Evil Village they always mispronounce Dimitrescu's name as well as saying ciorbă de legume and mamaligă in a funny way

[@ShadowXImpact]

@Apollyon-OES the problem with drama is that sometimes what seems to be a normal, funny video like this, can be turned into a huge problem by the viewers through a series of misunderstandings. I mean, I have been insulted because I'm talking about my own language, so you get the gist... But yeah, I'm mainly a theorist, so usually there's little that can be turned into drama, I just talk about game lore

[@mavty2202]

As an Italian myself, I LOVE Rinascita, I loved the first quest and the characters. I love the whole Carnevale aesthetic but omg if I hate how they pronounce EVERYTHING. I hate how well they pronounced the Chinese names back in the first patches but now they have literally 0 respect for another language other than their own. They should give their dubbers the right instructions for every languages, not just their precious chinese. Also THANK YOU for the whole thing about Pizza Tropicale 😂 you’re so right! Noi ci mettiamo pere e mele e la gente si arrabbia per dell’ananas?😂 E si, anche io riesco solo a pensare a “Provola” quando c’è Phrolova😂

[@WastedTalent83]

ma infatti anche pere e mele fanno cagare sulla pizza , cazzo stai a fa' ? na macedonia? non ho mai capito chi cazzo se n'e' uscito con il mettere la frutta nella pizza, e' una malattia mentale. E' tipo mettere la nutella dentro un hamburger con Ketchup e maionese. Certo troverai qualcuno a cui piace, ma fa cmq cagare al cazzo xD Cmq rinascita assurdamente bella, ma mi viene ancora la pelle d'oca quando penso che usciranno ancora.. tanti personaggi e parti di rinascita che ammazzeranno ancora di piu' l'italiano ahahah

[@ShadowXImpact]

@@mavty2202 yeah, the story was actually nice, I've seen a massive improvement since Version 1, probably because I basically played them back to back, but those words.... I hope no one is blaming the actors, that would be really sad, that's why I made that big disclaimer at the beginning. Onestamente, se penso ad una pera o una mela sulla pizza, mi da allo stomaco, mentre non mi crea problemi, per chissà quale motivo, l'idea dell'ananas. A dire il vero, l'ho mangiata due volte e non fa schifo per niente... Provola the conductor... Spero non esca mai con un effetto fumo, sennò sarà una provola affumicata!

[@alexeylitvinov6799]

6:05 I think in jp dub they said it closer to what you said

[@ShadowXImpact]

@@alexeylitvinov6799 isn't she Rococò in Japanese?

[@alexeylitvinov6799]

@ yeah, just remembered that it was absolutely different than checked

[@alexeylitvinov6799]

@ still very interesting video, it’s always interesting to hear native speakers explain what’s wrong Good job!

[@WayneZvidza-qh2dp]

The vouce actors of wuwa arr mainly British so them pronouncing thr words would be more difficult . My Italian friend was correcting me about how the words were pronounced since im British as well. i was practically butchering the words .

[@ShadowXImpact]

@WayneZvidza-qh2dp yeah, but the difference is that you had someone correcting you, and you were pronouncing them wrong because you tried on your own. The voice actors here have been given instructions on how to say those words, so they were told to pronounce them wrong, and of course, the actors don't know the language, so they wouldn't know better, and even if they did, they are paid to say what they're told to say....

[@Neil29011]

Send this to Kuro Games, they might actually do some changes

[@ShadowXImpact]

@@Neil29011 I mean, I didn't want this video to become a way to force them to change things, they would have to spend money to do that because they would have to call the voice actors back and have them record those lines again. This was supposed to be a funny video, I didn't think it would have become so serious. Of course, if they corrected the pronunciations, I would be happy, but again, I'm aware of the cost they would have to pay for that to happen...

[@Neil29011]

​@@ShadowXImpact we won't know, maybe some Kuro's dev team might stumble on this video so let's hope for some changes

[@itsathay]

So Marguerita is not Irish but Scottish 😅. Since we are talking about accents and pronunciation I thought I would point that out. Great vid tho.

[@ShadowXImpact]

@@itsathay wait, that's Scottish? I guess it has been quite a few years since I talked to that teacher... But still, it's a unique accent and I like it. This is something people didn't really understand. Accents and pronunciations are two completely different concepts. I'm okay with accents, like the way they say Carlotta, I don't have a problem with that, but pronunciation is where you put that stress. Imagine if she was Càrlotta how ridiculous the name would have sounded!

[@minamo4012]

As a foreigner, I knew pizza will not get a pass.🤣

[@ShadowXImpact]

@@minamo4012 I mean, as an Italian, I'm not really against pineapple pizza to be honest, but if you call it tropicale, I'm expecting to see some tropical aspects on it, not pepperoni. I guess they didn't want to enrage Italian people too much, so they abstained from doing it, although apparently we can make pineapple pizza in the game

[@minamo4012]

@@ShadowXImpact I think kuro wants to build a setting like rinascita is a place that people come from different places? I don't know but I like your video, it's really nice to see local people share their opinions. I might visit Italy one day, to try some traditional food there. And I like the style of the building as well.

[@lSeKToRl]

Gonna be honest here, I'm pretty glad they didn't pronunce words authentically. In 1.0 and throughout genshin whenever the VO would pronounce Chinese words accurately it was very jarring and took me out of the immersion. Like how YangYang pounces all the chinese names in 1.0.

[@ShadowXImpact]

@@lSeKToRl so, it's more important for the immersion when a foreign word sounds English, rather than the fact that Rinascita is supposed to represent a mix of cultures, each with their own accents? So it's okay to butcher a whole language, because what's important is to give the exotic vibe, but who cares about the people who actually speak that language... Why is Neuvillette okay then? That's a French word, it's so different from English. I think there's a huge misunderstanding between what an accent and a pronunciation is. Take Carlotta. The name has the right pronunciation (the stress is on the O, that's basically all there is to the pronunciation), but it's said as if it were an English word (the double T is what you would expect from English). Now, how would it ruin your immersion to hear "nùvola" "divìno" "Cristòforo"? No one asked nor forced them to use Italian in their game, they decided to, so at the very least, they should have paid the minimum amount of respect toward it

[@lSeKToRl]

@@ShadowXImpactI get what you're trying to say as an Italian. I speak 6 different languages, none of which are Italian, but to be fair the benefit of English being the lingua franca is you can mostly do what you want, and it will be generally accepted. Cultural considerations be damned. At a base level, I think the Wuwa pronunciation of Renacita sounds cooler than the Italian authentic pronunciation. Remember it's not Italy it's just Italy inspired it doesn't have to be correct.

[@ShadowXImpact]

@@lSeKToRl I disagree with the "it doesn't have to be correct" just becuas it's inspired, it is disrespectful to the cultures they're getting inspiration from. It's like saying "I'm going to use your language because it feels cool, but it sounds bad, so I'll fix it according to my tastes". You don't "fix" a language, nor does a language sound worse than English because it has different pronunciations (I mean, it's a different language that developed from a completely different root, of course it's different), you either use a language as it is, or you just don't use it at all. And of course, I'm only talking about the correct stresses, not the actors' native accents. And to be fair, I also get extremely angry when Italian people use English words (one too many and for no reason at all) but they pronounce it wrong, especially on TV. They say "ìnclusive" or "pèrformance", and it just makes my blood boil

[@lSeKToRl]

@ No need to be a language fundamentalist. Renecita doesn't exist to teach about a culture or language, it's just a new region in a theme park open world game. "just because it's inspired, it is disrespectful to the cultures they're getting inspiration from. It's like saying "I'm going to use your language because it feels cool, but it sounds bad, so I'll fix it according to my tastes." People do this all the time with, especially with English all the time. Do you pronounce English words perfectly when you are speaking with a friend/neighbor in Italian then have to interject with an English word as one does not exist in Italian? No? Then do you see the moot point you are making. Adding Italian flavor to region doesn't mean it has to be accurate. Wuwa is a work of fiction, it is a game and this is the interpretation of the art as told by their team. Don't you think you are being unreasonably critical here?

[@ShadowXImpact]

@lSeKToRl no, I don't think I'm unreasonably critical. They decided to use a foreign language, it's not such an absurdly impossible request to at least put the stress where it's supposed to go. I'm sure the voice actors wouldn't have had any problem saying Divìno instead of Dìvino, or Nùvola instead of Nuvòla. I mean, the Japanese voice actors say those words correctly, I don't think they felt tortured because they had to say them correctly. On the other hand, could it be that you're just too okay with this, simply because it doesn't affect you one bit? I mean, it doesn't change a thing for you whether a stress is on the right syllable or not, it's so easy to talk when you don't feel mocked by that same exact justification you used "everybody does it all the time", so I should be okay with it because butchering a language is, apparently, the norm. Also, yes, I use my Italian accent when I'm speaking in Italian, but I pronounce English words correctly. Most Italian people do the same. Those who make mistakes, are those who probably don't even know what the words they're using even mean, and they're using them just to sound cool, which is extremely annoying. Again, no one told Kuro to use Italian words, they decided it on their own, so it would only make sense to respect the language they decided to use. They're not teaching or spreading culture or language, but pronouncing them correctly (again, I'm talking about where the stress goes, not the accent of the actors) takes literally 2 minutes.

[@tyrfree1]

Ragunna can be Laguna (of venice)

[@ShadowXImpact]

@@tyrfree1 you know, I though about laguna, or better yet, I feared they mixed laguna with Ragù to be honest...

[@tyrfree1]

@@ShadowXImpact ahahah right didnt think about that that would be hilarious

[@karst1559]

Let's be frank: pronouncing "Carneval" instead of "Carnevale" is ok, because the first way is how venetians actually call it. Venetian dialect often just removes the final vocals. Gocce Divino is grammatically incorrect as well, to be correct it should be "gocce di vino" or "gocce divine". Capollo = capo + pollo "Chicken boss" Considered how he behaves, it kinda has sense... Anyways, underrated video. Thank you, really.

[@WastedTalent83]

man you're kinda wrong about one thing. The correct way would have been, Gocce di Divino, because i really think they meant to use the word Divino, and not "di vino".

[@karst1559]

@WastedTalent83 gocce divinE, then Or "gocce del divino"

[@WastedTalent83]

@@karst1559 yea, those would also be correct.

[@ShadowXImpact]

@@karst1559 I think "gocce di divino" was what they actually wanted to say, like they're drops of a divinity, drops of a divine something, maybe it's meant to represent Imperator, something like that. Of course, gocce divine is easier to make sense of, but as long as it can make sense and it's not grammatically incorrect (like commedia improvviso), I wouldn't change the actual name, just the pronunciation. Capo+pollo is kinda funny. I don't think that's what they went for, who knows what they found that sounded similar... Carnevale doesn't really bother me honestly. But I'm happy you liked the video!

[@aRYaN-jl2qp]

17:10 I feel u man , with my indian accent witch infact in hard for me now

[@ShadowXImpact]

@@aRYaN-jl2qp yeah, I had to redo that three times because I just didn't even know how to speak with my accent🤣

[@YoichiMutou]

i laugh when some CC pronounce Roccia as Roshia haha

[@ShadowXImpact]

@@YoichiMutou what, who pronounced it like that??? You didn't hear what her name is in Japanese, I suppose... She's Rococò for some reason...

[@loli_h1933]

wait I like the roccia that you suggested better then in game.. if I use EN Voice.. but I use JP

[@ShadowXImpact]

@@loli_h1933 well, it's not like I suggested it, it's actually how it should have been pronounced, which is even easier to say. But you play in jp, and she's Rococò, right?

[@KuroBot69]

How dare you criticise wuwa? 2.0 is a masterpiece.

[@ShadowXImpact]

@@KuroBot69 I never said 2.0 sucked, I actually enjoyed it, but my own language was butchered, and there's no way around it, it's an objective truth

[@KuroBot69]

@@ShadowXImpact No, you can never criticise kuro games, Saintontas taught me that.

[@ShadowXImpact]

@KuroBot69 I'm not familiar with wuwa content creators honestly, but oh well, this person will have to deal with it anyway!

[@mr.edelweiss]

@@ShadowXImpact I think it's a joke because of how gacha communities somehow can't perceive critiques xD

[@tyriqueadams4326]

@@KuroBot69 saintontas criticise wuwa tho not all the time but he does

[@-SassO-]

7:45 magari con avanti intendevano "forward"

[@ShadowXImpact]

@-SassO- il problema è che comunque non avrebbe senso, sembrano tre frasi buttate la senza motivo, giusto per farla sembrare italiana

[@aayanchiron9770]

10:59 she even looks like her 🤣

[@ShadowXImpact]

@@aayanchiron9770 yeah, that's the only subliminal comparison I made in the video, just for fun🤣

[@thatonerobotfromstarwars4102]

Tbh kuro is pretty bad with their localization, we have grammar errors and a bunch of typo at places that imo is physically impossible to have an error Look back at their 2.0 live stream end card, how tf did they got "thanks for your watching" When they literally could have wrote "thanks for watching". It's simple yet they still able to get it wrong😂 thus why we get the funny "It's not kuro if there's no typo" meme So if they can't even do English well- I doubt they can do other languages, the korean dub is horrendous too to the point that the kr fans are mad about it. At this point i think kuro need to hire better localization team, for both of their games.

[@ShadowXImpact]

@@thatonerobotfromstarwars4102 I'm really not that familiar with content around Wuthering Waves, even the official one, so I had no idea that mistakes are a regular occasion, but yeah, I do think they need a better localization team if they want their game to be appreciated across the world and not just in China. Still, it's not like other games have done such a great job with Italian... It seems they all like the exotic feeling that Italy gives, but don't want to spend energy into representing it correctly...

[@Beep000-x3]

Honestly The voice acting wasn't bad but they butchered some of the Italian pronunciation 😅 *KURO ruined Italy* Saintontas probably

[@ShadowXImpact]

@@Beep000-x3 I never said the voice acting was bad, quite the opposite actually, but they didn't butcher "some" Italian words, it would be more accurate to say they pronounce correctly only some of them...

[@Beep000-x3]

@@ShadowXImpact wait , no I didn't mean you said it's bad , my take on the situation 😅

[@kuvrut7747]

Bro you don't pronounce every letter. Letter H nowhere to be heard

[@ShadowXImpact]

@@kuvrut7747 Well, I wasn't trying to make an Italian lesson in this video. The H is mute by default in Italian, but you still hear it's presence in a word because it changes certain sounds, so you could technically say it's not completely mute. Still, apart for those what, 5 exceptions with different pronunciations, you do hear every single letter in italian and they sound always the same, which is why Italian is one of the easiest languages to read, but it's one of the hardest ones to speak...

[@kuvrut7747]

@ShadowXImpact that was a joke.

[@ShadowXImpact]

@@kuvrut7747 yeah, I know, I was just talking about it. Now that I think about it, my reply does sound serious....

[@enelbc04]

An Italian complaining about... Just everything... What a surprise...

[@mr.edelweiss]

@@enelbc04 a True Italian indeed

[@ShadowXImpact]

@@enelbc04 yeah, an Italian complaining how his own language has been brutally massacred... How unsightly... So, not only are we constantly associated with mafia, pasta, mamma mia, and whatever goes around, we're also the ones who complain about everything? Huh...

[@Kaizan971]

Mamma mia !

[@mavty2202]

Oh wow, try to say this about Chinese people complaining when their language is being mocked an let’s see how many people call you racist. America ass comment

[@Gateoogaming]

Genshin account complaining about wuwa Not a surprise

[@ShadowXImpact]

@@Gateoogaming maybe I wasn't clear enough, especially when I avoided any kind of comparison with Genshin impact just to avoid these specific comments. I never complained about the game nor the story, I enjoyed playing 2.0, but Italian words being butchered are an objective truth. As a "genshin account", I also complained about how hoyo pronounced Tartaglia and Spina di Rosula, which are completely wrong, so again, objective truth, regardless of the game I'm playing.

[@Gateoogaming]

@@ShadowXImpactok my bad then Tbh I also agree that these words being wrongly pronounced even as a Chinese person myself was very frustrating and immersion breaking

[@gragraboomicespice]

Fontaine music in Rinascita???? Hypocrite!!!!

[@ShadowXImpact]

@@gragraboomicespice I only used wuwa music in the video though...

[@gragraboomicespice]

@@ShadowXImpact Oh the notes in the disclaimer part sounds like the theme you hear when you go into the city

[@vitrumtars]

AKA 2.0 isnt even worth going into got it

[@ShadowXImpact]

@@vitrumtars no, never said that. The update was nice, I enjoyed playing it. It's the Italian words that have been butchered, but the game took a big step forward, especially compared to Version 1

[@Sacration]

IM EARLY

[@ShadowXImpact]

@@Sacration yeah!!! 😂

[@RR-rw5lx]

Just to remind you, they took inspired italy but it doesn't mean that they will coppy pronunciation and spelling it. It's fictional. Dont compare it as if that they really took everything in italy. just like G.i, they took inspiration but did not adopt the languages. So you should not post this garbage video just because you live or born in italy. Lol

[@ShadowXImpact]

@@RR-rw5lx so your garbage comment literally means that it's okay to misuse other languages, that is unless they touch yours of course. I mean, who cared about Italy and Italian, right? It's not your language, so it can be butchered as much as they want, it's not going to change anything for you. Maybe step down from your pedestal... Also, you're not in the position to tell me what I should or shouldn't do, so if this is garbage, you can always click on the KZbin logo and go watch something else. Also, just saying, although I'm wasting my time with someone like you, genshin impact has only got 2 Italian words wrong. Beside those, every word so far has been pronounced as Italian grammar says, so they respected my language. Not that you know what respect even is, clearly

[@greedfreed6970]

too nitpick. you need to know that based on the lore, Rinascita is not 100% based on Italy, some part actually mixed with Greek, French, and Britain.

[@Kekko_8195]

Sure, but when you have Italian names, terms and words in general, it's jarring. If they were Italian-sounding terms I'd accept the butchering with no problem since they're not real words from a real language

[@ShadowXImpact]

@@greedfreed6970 yeah, but what does that even mean? The percentage of Rinascita that is Italian should pronounce those Italian words correctly, even if with a British or Greek or whatever language's accent, just like Andreas, who is clearly Italian, spoke a perfectly correct English with an Italian accent. Rinascita is also not 100% English, so would it have been okay if Andreas butchered English words, according to your logic? You think it's okay just because it not your language that has been butchered, and you wouldn't even have noticed the mistakes anyway

[@greedfreed6970]

@ you talked as if you pronounced every English words you ever said correctly. stop being a nitpick bug.

[@over440]

I bet your hands were making the 🤌🏻 gesture the entire time during ur gameplay. Mamma Mia 🤌🏻

[@ShadowXImpact]

@@over440 honestly, no... We don't really do that gesture as often as the rest of the world thinks we do, I don't think I've done it not even once today for example. It's actually not a gesture we do most of the time, it comes up only if we're saying something like "what?", and we might not even do that. I saw some shorts of Italian people abroad doing that gesture every two seconds. Trust me, it's fake, they do it intentionally because that's what people want to see from us

[@over440]

@ShadowXImpact I know man, I'm just meme-ing around. I honestly don't think it's a bad thing, I actually like when they do that coz it looks authentic. Great video btw, I can see how much u love ur language and want them to put some research for the next update. I believe kuro will take ur suggestion in if enough people send their feedback regarding this matter.