Does your iPhone give you headaches?

[@DB-vl9ob]

Everytime i mention this in some forum ppl set me off as crazy. But its totally true and i feel like more and more ppl will experience this. For me i didnt get those headaches right from the start, but rather over time. This was particularly bad cause i didnt knew what was the cause of my ill feeling. I really hope manufactures start to take this problem serious and build displays and are TRUELY eye caring or should i say brain caring.

[@RetroHorrorFan]

Sometimes I wish some phones TVs/projectors and laptops/pcs were specially made for ledstrain sufferers..but manufacturers are greedy just like junk foo and processed food companies..they only warn you of of photosensitivty/epilepsy etc...like Sony's ps4 but will refuse to remove PWM and flickering and other harmful types of backlight from newer devices..

[@vee5694]

I have the 13 pro max and been getting headaches and migraines everyday i can tell its coming from looking at the phone. Apple needs to fix this. This is causing health issues and we should start a lawsuit fr

[@samsameer2181]

Me too

[@ultiversed]

Me too

[@mohamedrefaat390]

me 2

[@usersha-orlova]

Me too

[@enrichexperience903]

Me too

[@PirateKing1256]

I am more resistant to PWN. I can withstand few hours of use but afterwards I have splitting head and when I close my eyes. I can see the flickers in my eyes when I’m sleeping. Also…it affects my Color vision. My vision became very dull lacking in colour in Real Life and almost muted. The Color receptor in my eyes became dull. It’s almost as if they’re strained by the OLED. Overstimulated and now they’re burnt out. This is very dangerous. Even people that is not sensitive to this are doing unknowning damage to their vision overtime. Stick to LCD. They’re safest

[@RonakRaja]

is your vision fine now?

[@PirateKing1256]

@@RonakRaja My vision is fine now but I feel like they did some degree of damage. Because now I had more floaters. I am worried about what these tech will do to YOUNG children eyes now.

[@jayjay378378]

@@PirateKing1256 so can own cause eye floaters?

[@adamshriver2500]

Thank you for making this video! I’m using an iPhone XR, and I am nervous about getting a new iPhone with an OLED screen and getting headaches again. It is comforting knowing there are other people with this same problem. I hope you can continue to enjoy using your new phone! The camera looks amazing.

[@ismaelsteezy28]

Dont buy the new iphone 13 series , i bought it last week and got crazy eye strain and headaches , now i got back to the 11 and wasted over 200usd but im happy even tho i still have headaches cause its been only a day

[@mentorsinparadero9032]

@@ismaelsteezy28 wich one did u buy? De normal iphone 13?

[@naman_live]

I am also PWM sensitive.

[@reallyfamous217]

I recently upgraded from an iPhone 7 to a iPhone 13 mini. The 13 mini is huge upgrade from the 7; battery life, cameras, full screen, phone speed, etc. are wonderful. I had the 13 mini for roughly a week in a half and then bam, I started to notice eye strain. I didn’t get nausea or headaches as some have reported, but just dry eye and noticeable eye discomfort accompanied by occasional vision blurriness. I was aware of PWM prior to upgrading, but after going to different stores and looking at the phone, it didn’t have an noticeable affect on me at all. Like I previously stated, I didn’t notice the affects until after upgrading and having the phone for roughly a week in a half. Unfortunately, this PWM issue really takes the joy out of using this phone. On a helpful note, using white point (@ 80% or higher), adjusting brightness (to 100%) and using dark mode have somewhat helped w/ my eye strain (they say it decreases PWM). I also have significantly reduced my screen time from like 5 hours a day to like a hour and a half a day (if that). I also try to hold my phone at a half arms length distance. After researching, if someone is looking to get a newer phone, it may be best to go w/ a LCD display like a iPhone 11 or SE 2022; I’ve read these phones have no PWM. Or, if you’re going to stick it out (like I may have to), hopefully Apple releases a software update that helps resolve this PWM issue since it appears to be a software problem. This sucks man lol. Thanks for your video. It appears not to many are talking about this.

[@ekaterinaantimonova8056]

Unfortunately, 11 with ips screen also gives me a lot of eye strain, burning, discomfort. I was 100% sure that it would be ok after iphone 12 with oled, which I had sold, but unfortunetely no. Btw settings you mentioned helped me with 12.. so, eventually 12 worked better for me..And I don't have eye problems, I've seen a doctor recently. My eyes react so badly only to iphones (11 and 12).. very strange

[@ekaterinaantimonova8056]

@@reallyfamous217 I'm still using my old phone huawei nova 2016. And I'm in search of the phone with comfortable screen, probably on android now, but I can't find anything decent, they are too big, overpriced and a lot of other compromises. I'd like to have an ability to use apple phones. Macbook air m1 2020 is comfortable for my eyes. As for a doctor, nothing special. She couldn't do anything with my intolerance to iphone screens, says it can be some kind of sensitivity, mb too much blue light. So she doesn't know for sure. But it's a general clinic, not an eye center, maybe It's worth visiting eye clinic for a more detailed examination. But I doubt that it can be smth with my eyes that can cause such selective reaction. She also prescribed mousturizing eye drops (already use them sometimes) and antiinflammatory drops 'cause I had that bad reaction after iphone, some anti blue-light glasses, rest when working with screens - so some basic recommendations. Now eyes are fine and they stay fine until I look at the iphone screen. I still wonder what the problem is, can't believe that it exists, because I found quite few people who have problems with iphone 11 ips screen.

[@proradus]

@@ekaterinaantimonova8056 Try going to accessibility settings and then FaceID and turn off attention awareness feature (the second in the list). The thing is the phone literally bombards your eyes with infrared lights to know if you look at the screen. This can be quite uncomfortable for some people.

[@XDMIIIIIIIII]

@@ekaterinaantimonova8056 how are you doing now?

[@Esso7]

It can not be fixed, all oled screen have this.. Samsung another company for years,, and also TV with led and oled they flicker also .. and that can hurt your eyes and gives you headache also,, so you for double dosis😂

[@legochicano]

I am so hesitant to try the 13 Pro after learning about this issue. For years I didn't take it seriously and until I did research, I stumbled on your video and others. I had no idea this has been an issue with many since the iPhone X days. I gave up on the newer high end phones (including Android) after years of using them and suffering from migraines, dry eyes, eye strain and tearing up in the evenings. I am using an iPhone 8 Plus now and feel I have to stick with LCD screens until flicker free screens show up and test them out.

[@Esso7]

⁠you can use iPhone 7,8 iPhone plus sizes , and iPhone XR iPhone 11 , iPhone SE 1e gen up to 3rd gen .. they are better then iPhone 5s , from speed to battery life and 100% PWM FREE ..

[@aboutthat9930]

I used S10 for almost two years before switching to an iPhone 14 Pro Max, which has more PWM frequency than the S10, at least according to papers (S10 has 240HZ whereas iPhone 14 Pro Max has 250HZ

[@yesitsme8943]

It's mindblowing to me that not more people are complaining about this. But then again I read reports of how 26% of people have mental health problems in the US, so I wonder if people are just accepting it. I've been having problems since the X. And if it wasn't for your initial video I never would have realised it was the phone. Now I can't even drive most modern cars. They all use this crap cheap "energy efficient light" that's based on PWM. Same for most LED's in restaurants. It's not hypochondriac, there is a small chance that u get used to it. I got used to my car after 3 months but I think it's more that my eyes learned not to engage with the nav screen and look at it directly. Mostly just glare. But you can't do that with a phone. Overall, as somebody else on here pointed out. I think the whole technology is just bad risk reward. I'm still on my 4yr old iPhone 8 because of it and see no other options at the moment. There was a thread somewhere where people tried to replace the OLED screen for an LCD, but techs decided against it. I would love to try that.

[@theavengers5559]

That's what I thought about replacing OLED to LCD screen but the OEM LCD is very expressive.

[@yesitsme8943]

@@theavengers5559 It's a hundred bucks I believe - haven't done it yet cause it's out of stock

[@Esso7]

It can not be fixed, all oled screen have this.. Samsung another company for years,, and also TV with led and oled they flicker also .. and that can hurt your eyes and gives you headache also,, so you for double dosis😂

[@Healingfromtheroot]

iphone 14 pro gives me a huge headache. But reducing white point in the settings has helped a lot

[@theavengers5559]

Same.

[@HecatombRecordings]

Sadly the 13 Series is a no go for me still. The standard 13 felt most comfortable out of all the new phones as it didn't give me eye strain like every OLED iPhone since the X, but it did make me feel queasy - like seasickness. Burping and a general uncomfortable gut feeling. Eventually, my body had enough and my brain gave me a migraine so the phone was returned. 5 years with no iPhone upgrade for me! Glad you found your unicorn phone.

[@KarinNelson]

I’m sorry. This sucks.

[@Kreutzer77]

Hey, I have had the same for a long time. I still use iPhone 5s. Which phone/phones have you found work for you?

[@Esso7]

@@Kreutzer77you can use iPhone 7,8 iPhone plus sizes , and iPhone XR iPhone 11 , iPhone SE 1e gen up to 3rd gen .. they are better then iPhone 5s , from speed to battery life and 100% PWM FREE ..

[@fspeshalxo69]

i couldn't stand the iphone 12 for more then 10mins not sure if i will really be fine with the 13

[@doriswhyte1931]

Thanks for the update Karin. Dee

[@savagelouie4498]

I just bought the iphone 15 pro max and ive been having bad headaches/migraines for like 2 weeks idk if its the phone but man this sucks =

[@tammypopova5804]

Love ❤ your humor 🤣. Also thank you for the update, much relieved to know.

[@vannamarie8430]

I have been having bad migraines after getting the iphone 13, i am returning it. It’s not worth my health.

[@KarinNelson]

It is not. I wouldn’t keep it either if it was making me sick.

[@chronoris6249]

@@Dr904 wb 13 mini?

[@SaboorK]

@@Dr904 So if you were coming from a 6 year old LCD iPhone 6 then is iPhone 11 good or 13 pro? I dont want to suffer from any symptoms even though I never used OLED before. Advice?

[@Anoynomous47]

@@SaboorK buy iphone 11 or wait for next SE lcd series

[@SaboorK]

@@Anoynomous47 How? It is not here anymore. Only preowned great white 11 for my carrier here. So?

[@bwb1180]

I got my 14 pro max yesterday . It seems that PWM was present at 100% brightness level as well. Unfortunately after 15-20 mins with the device, same things repeated - terrible eye fatigue & nausea like 12+13 pro (I returned both within a week of buying) . But that is my case with 14 PM so maybe different for others… of course will return 14 PM this week…stuck with iphone 8 plus + SE 3 .. no way out… great LCD devices I must add, no issues whatsoever……don’t understand why bring in new Tech OLED when it is apparently now giving serious heath problems …. Some know for sure but most can’t link back their problems to the phone usage.…. waiting for a flicker free OLED phones from manufacturers, until then have to stretch out 8 plus / SE3 as far as possibe 😢😢😢

[@dadekrobert]

I'm happy for you..but the onboard DC dimming isn't going well with Apple..I guess you've gotten used to it..it can be a method of ignoring and eventually repressing the slight headache and dry eyes.. but low frequency flicker can't be good.. even if people don't notice it.. keep it up..

[@speshalgaming1296]

Exactly

[@BrownSugarGal]

I’m new to iPhone had it 10 months I have the iPhone 11 & I’ve been noticing headaches which I didn’t have befor

[@renstar8085]

I know the feeling, I’ve been dealing with this problem for years.I can use the iPhone 6 everybody looks at me like what are you doing with that old phone but is the only one that I can see because of a headache and uncomfortable feeling of anxiety,nausea and headache that I feel when I see other phones recently got the 13 max and I’m on my 14 day trial I’m hoping I can see this phone.

[@sbali92]

How is your experience with iPhone 13 Max?

[@lifegoeson1007]

Did you keep the 13 Max?

[@Majormatterss]

Holy shit the sides of my head feel super tight, this is from my iPhone XR. This is what happens when your looking at the phone non stop everyday.

[@lakehouse9268]

Bought the iPhone 13 (not pro) which was also my first OLED phone. Got eye strain and headaches just after using it for a brief period. Tried it for a week until I gave up and returned it and now back to my iPhone XR. Since the pro models have a higher refresh rate I’m thinking of buying one instead… I really hope I don’t react as bad to them as the standard 13 model.

[@daughterofsekhmet81]

I had the same thought and bought a 13 pro, sadly it's not any better :(

[@sueskiing]

I’m over 50 and I know what you mean re water and loo’s! I have the iPhone 11 and I love it, may get the 14 later in the year 😀

[@fspeshalxo69]

I'm 27 and i have this issue

[@nnn-ug4tj]

i'm 40 and issue with the iphone 13 pro

[@RetroHorrorFan]

I use an android phone, it's a redmi note 8 it doesn't really have an oled screen so it's bearable with dark mode and for 2/3 hours of usage, my ledstrain started from the Asus gaming laptop, apparently I didn't realise that it was straining my eyes because I was pulling all nighters while staring at the screen and barely taking any breaks..it started form dizziness while doing anything that involved focus, apparently my eyes had went out of focus and I had devoloped dry eye, doctor said I had mild astigmatism, he changed my prescription which only partly helped..but most tasks make me dizzy..even if they don't involve screen use

[@ismaelsteezy28]

Iphone 13 gave me bad headaches and eye strain

[@steqhanos826]

i love your takes!! your channel is pretty underrated lol

[@steveb1972]

Here in Birmingham UK I went to the Apple Store as my iPhone 8 Plus can’t get iOS 17. I’ve had it from launch, but am now aware I’m one of the 10% of people who can’t use OLED due to PWM. NO ONE in the store knew of this, so I educated them and have them online literature to read. I guess the SE 3 or 11 are really my only choice, but I’ll keep my 8 Plus till next year.

[@KarinNelson]

It really truly sucks. Nobody in any Apple Store every heard of it. I wonder if that is policy...

[@daughterofsekhmet81]

I'm a big Apple fan too, I have the new watch, new ipad, airpods, new macbook pro... and a 4 year old iPhone b/c of PWM 😂 I've been getting PWM headaches since 2011 but didn't realize that was the cause of them until a couple years ago. I remember having a 3 week long headache when I got my first OLED phone(Galaxy S2), but I had been diagnosed with migraines about a year prior though so I didn't really make the connection at the time. The headache finally went away but I still had nausea and eyestrain, which I also didn't think too much of since I've been nearsighted since 2nd grade. I figured maybe my eyes were just getting worse. But over the years I started noticing that whenever I upgraded my phone(all Samsung OLED phones) I'd get that 3 week headache again. I think my eyes would somewhat get used to the screens after a few weeks, but the different screen size & PWM rates on the new phones triggered that adjustment period each time. Nausea & eyestrain never went away. I finally put 2 and 2 together in 2020 when I realized I hadn't felt nauseous, had eyestrain, or had a single headache since fall of 2018- when I switched to an iPhone 8+ with an LCD screen. I bought a 13 pro last year hoping that maybe the 120hz screen would make a difference. I tried for months to get used to it but it was just headache after headache, honestly I think the refresh rate makes it even worse for me :( I tried using it again for the past 3 days and I'm sitting here nursing a splitting headache right now. I guess it's back to my trusty old 8+ for good. It's still a great phone and I'm happy with it(and touch ID is sooo much better than face ID lol), it just hurts that I spent so much money on the 13 pro and can't even use it. I wonder if Apple knows how many people have this problem, I really don't know what I'll do if they ever fully switch over to OLED. I have no interest in switching back to android but even android phones are all OLED now. I plan to stick with my 8+ till it dies then move on to an SE, and just hope they don't discontinue it.

[@taesang5664]

oh my god i am honestly so scared of what happens when they stop producing lcd phones. i’m using a xr right now but it only has 64gb and it is just not enough so i’m still contemplating what to get among the 11, se 3, or jump the gun and get a 13. my mom had a xs before and that’s when i found out i also suffered from pwm. really sucks because i cannot even get the phone that i want.

[@daughterofsekhmet81]

@@taesang5664 I ended up with an SE 3 and I absolutely love it, I would recommend getting it! It'll be supported for longer than the 11 and you won't have to chance the headaches on a 13.

[@jayjay378378]

I’m ok with Samsung oleds so I’m thinking maybe it’s the Face ID as it’s always flashing that giving me headaches

[@electrolinks]

I had to return my iphone 13 mini. I was getting headaches dizziness and vertigo. i have an old iphone x with a replaced screen that doest do this.

[@TheGossman]

I've got the same symptoms as you. Did the dizziness and vertigo go away when you switched to a different phone? I went back to my old phone 3 days ago and still get dizzy a few times a day.

[@SaboorK]

Hello. I am having a big problem in deciding on what iPhone to upgrade to after 6 years. I currently have the iPhone 6. Regular iPhone 13 which has PWM and OLED screen, I have never used before but I am on sensitive side. Scared of effects or symptoms. Or normal iPhone 11. I don't really need the latest and greatest. Please advise? Thanks.

[@KarinNelson]

Hi there!! If you are scared of side effects, you may experience them (like me). The brain can do that sometime. If you are upgrading from a 6, you will be more than happy with an 11. It’s cheaper, it’s a great phone, great camera, and it won’t give you headaches. I recommend it.

[@SaboorK]

@@KarinNelson So I will see a difference in display quality and battery life, right? Only issue stopping me from regular 13 is the PWM matter, I am already sensitive in terms of eyes

[@SaboorK]

@@KarinNelson Does it take time to get USED to the 13 display or no?

[@KarinNelson]

@@SaboorK everyone is different. You may be able to adjust to it. But it’s a very personal thing.

[@SaboorK]

@@KarinNelson So what do you recommend me to do here? Go for regular 11 since you said more than enough or try normal 13? I just want a difference in display quality and battery life. 5G can wait

[@chronoris6249]

What's up with I phone 13 mini? Is it pleasing to your eyes too ?

[@d.aldonza3315]

For PWM the solution is go to Accessability >> Display and Text Size >> Scroll down and turn on Reduce white point 85%.

[@proradus]

Sadly, this doesn't solve the problem. The intended solution is to get brightness to maximum and dim the screen with reducing white point. Since PWM is mostly used to lower brightness it should't be present when the brightness is at its maximum. Not the case with OLED iPhones. PWM is still present at 100% brightness and it's bad enough to give some people eye strain and headaches. It's a shame Apple doesn't want to implement DC dimming feature that some android phones have.

[@RetroHorrorFan]

have you tried using projectors? Do you get symptoms with them if so?

[@wstudiolive]

Iphone 14pro has the flicker at all brightness no way of getting rid of it have to return

[@Hannikost]

Any updates?

[@davidd4447]

So far only oled iPhone I can use is the XS Max on light appearance w 50% white point. Cannot use dark appearance ever or the headache starts. Was able to use the 13 pro max but my wife kept it lol

[@Beamber]

Wait, hold up. You are saying the issue for you wasn’t the phone but not being hydrated enough? I just returned the iPhone 14 due to headaches. They started pretty much within a half hour of using the screen. Adjusting the White Point helped a little but still something was off. I have the same problem with OLED TVs.

[@KarinNelson]

Not quite. I had issues with the previous OLED phones from Apple, but the iPhone 13 wasn't part of those. THAT was something else (probably anxiety or nerves or worrying about it being the same as the others). That said, the 14 would probably give me issues again as the PWM rate of that new phone is LOWER than the 13's. Which makes no sense, but it's a fact.

[@وايتيبولجر-خ9ش]

@@KarinNelson what is best choice now for someone want to buy new phone? i have pwm problem headache and nausea

[@KarinNelson]

@@وايتيبولجر-خ9ش For me the 13 works. But the XR was the best. Or SE.

[@وايتيبولجر-خ9ش]

@@KarinNelson 13 or 13 pro you mean? And did you tried 11 ?

[@KarinNelson]

@@وايتيبولجر-خ9ش sorry, Pro. Had the 11 LED phone, not the Pro.

[@carensan3777]

got the iphone 13 mini cause 1. camera is amazing 2. i wanted to give iphones a try but let me tell u i got the worse headache ever today too bad i cannot return it might sell it at game stop in the future

[@nobeerlion3991]

Yes, it does. All Apple devices do. The reason is Temporal Dithering. Apple is destroying our eyes.

[@BrownSugarGal]

This is so true I use to have PERFECT VISION until I got iPhone

[@doriswhyte1931]

Hi Karen how’s the 13 pro working out? Dee

[@KarinNelson]

Still working great. Haven’t had any issues at all.

[@phil377]

I got the same headache when I got iphone 11 (not the pro) which was, I believe, LCD.... It was very bad and I had to return it and got samsung S21 ultra, which worked well with my brain. I am afraid to try the 13..... Do you think there is still any hope to get it to work without this unbearable headache?

[@KarinNelson]

It's working for me. If you had issues with the 11, then maybe the attention aware feature is to blame. Have you tried turning that off before?

[@phil377]

@@KarinNelson @Karin Nelson I never knew about this headache from iphone screens before it happened to me.... I thought my device was defective until I tried my wife's iPhone 11 (we got them both at the same time ) and hers also gave me headache... So I searched and found information about that.... Including your video (which was about the iPhone X as I remember) which was a great informative one.....so I wasn't aware of this issue to start.

[@franksh007]

Bro, I know why you had eye strain. I also have sensitivity to flickering. The main reason for your headache is the , Face id. Face Id also blinks continuously after you unlock your iPhone. Put a black tape on Face ID , i am 100% sure your problem will be solved. I am also using iPhone 11 while covering face ID with a black tape .

[@phil377]

@@franksh007 I will try this.... Can't believe it may will but I will try it

[@franksh007]

@@phil377 you must . That’s how i am using now.

[@gamadman2003]

Finally Iphone 13 pro :)

[@gamadman2003]

Stuck on Xr for years..ray of hope !!

[@Nitinkumar-ek8yk]

use matte tempered glass on iphone 12 13 and all the oled displays, It should be matte... Thank me later

[@LMT4Y10R]

i have migrains with samsung products, new phones from s21, earbuds, watches. Ive been using my s10 cuz i had to send everything back and stick with what i was ok with. Well ive just had my S10 updated and BANG, migrains back WTH. I'm now gonna try an iPhone 14 and hope its a problem with Samsung. It arrives tomorrow so fingers crossed.

[@BarrieMcKokiner7229]

iPhone 12 Pro max addict here my heads fried lmao , does this happen with Samsung as well ?