Does Your Liquid Cooler Size Matter ???

[@StefanEtienneTheVerrgeRep]

You know what matters? The size of your Swiss Army Knife.

[@9axxh]

Lmao 😂

[@9axxh]

U should also make sure to screw in

[@williamblythe4291]

@@9axxh with confidence

[@angrysocialjusticewarrior]

When's your next PC build guide bro? Your first one was revolutionary.

[@XxDrEvilxX]

These guys make a 10 min KZbin clip with more relevant/informative information than other KZbinr videos lasting 20+ mins.

[@samuelm5140]

Loving these clips from the livestreams! So helpful!

[@ByteSizeTech]

Glad you like them!

[@ssgtblackmamba7991]

I know it's the exception to the rule, but hear me out: Lian li Uni fans...3 fans, 1 power cable.

[@BrentTravelz]

I don’t know how much people understand how important it is to work so well together with your wife/husband .. y’all are low key goals 🤷🏽‍♂️

[@The_Chad_]

280mm aio's are my favorite. I feel like they're generally quieter than 240 and 360mm's and they perform about as well as 360mm aio's. It would be cool if 140mm was more common. I'm not sure I've ever even seen one, but there are instances they make sense. The top and rear of some cases come to mind. I'm sure they would perform better than a 120.

[@ApexLodestar]

I know this is 3 weeks old but I really enjoy being able to watch these back and educating myself thanks to Tech and Rogue. I'm always learning something new from them.

[@raawesome3851]

Short answer: *Well, yes, but actually no.*

[@jeantechnoir7702]

It does* matter Yet not to me, I'm an air cooling fan.

[@Mizra-dq3lj]

same here, a single piece of metal will last as long as the socket you are using is supported, if the fan fails, that´s the easiest thing to change

[@jackthegardensnack7931]

Air cooling is awesome. I use the wraith prism with my AMD chip and it works very well. Water cooling is a bit over hyped in my opinion.

[@callidusvulpes5556]

Yeah, I love Noctua coolers. I hear your an air cooling "fan"?

[@jeantechnoir7702]

@@callidusvulpes5556 Yup, Pun intended.

[@kristofderop1653]

@@jackthegardensnack7931 Esthetics has its price, which im willing to pay.

[@alexgottmituns7049]

My 3090 Kingpin came with a 360 AIO. At idle, it's at 16C, at 100% load 46C. Nothing like the Phanteks Eclipse 600s case... Highly recommended! All air except for the Kingpin

[@rpospeedwagon]

😂😂😂 That's insanely good. 3090 Suprim X in a Phanteks P500A. I'm so happy with 74 degrees. Previously was hitting 80c in an NZXT H510 Elite. Yikes...

[@rpospeedwagon]

Tech was saying one time that it's interesting that as AMD CPUs are becoming cooler than historical Intel CPUs, AIOs are still being used for most CPUs and air cooling for 99% of increasingly hot GPUs.

[@vampahh1171]

I'm watching all these videos after choosing all my parts and ordering them. Every single one you've talked about recently. I'm on a roll lol

[@gingerbilly1396]

Love these clips even if I have watched all of the stream really helpful for remembering it

[@bluemojos]

It's all about striking the right balance between noise and cooling performance. Good info here. 👍

[@ByteSizeTech]

Very true!

[@oliviamoore3426]

I really like these clips. It’s so good seeing how happy you are

[@Piketom1]

I had a 240MM cooler on my 7700K. I ended up having the CPU delidded and binned by Silicon lottery. After, on the same cooler, it ran at 5.1ghz all day long. I still eventually upgraded to a 9900k which actually ran quite well at 5.0 on a 240mm cooler. I also found that replacing the fans that came with the x62 with be quiet fans made it much, much quieter at the same RPM.

[@SE77ENGaming]

I was in the market for a new AIO to upgrade from my Corsair H55 120mm. I was going to go for the NZXT X63 240mm, but there was only £10 difference between that and the 280mm version, so I went for the bigger one (Cooler Master h500 case) and I'm glad I did, especially with what you said about the 36% difference. I now run my R5 3600 at 4.4GHz at 1.3v and temps when gaming are around 50c with the pump running at full under load. When not under load the pump is at around 65% and around 30c and I cannot hear it pumping away.

[@onofriopiccolino5166]

Would I get better performance if I put a good aftermarket color on a i7 10700f ?

[@nmbar7386]

So I should get a 280 instead of 360 for my new 5900x?

[@dazeen9591]

well technically 280mm isn't necessarily quieter. since on 360mm you can run your fans at lower rpm

[@mohamedsallak8999]

What about ryzen 9? Or they run cooler than intel because of their lower TDP?

[@maddymuhat8079]

Does 120 AIO dont work on r7 3700x?

[@FIVESTRZ]

Word problems ain't my thing either momma Tech lol. "if a train leaves Dallas at the same time one leave New York, how long until the reach Chicken quesadillas?"

[@mynameis8211]

"Cheap, expensive. Small, big" She's not wrong.

[@kalef1234]

I have an odd one: Corsair H105. It's a 240mm, but it's like 9mm thicker than most 240s. In terms of radiator volume it's about the same as a 280mm. Not sure it the performance is similar

[@voraciousblackstn]

The only stat that matters is heat transfer capability. Generally a larger aio will have a bigger surface area which lets it shed heat faster. Larger also have a bigger thermal mass because there is more liquid which allows it to absorb heat faster from the cooling block.

[@ChildOfTheWilderness]

What about Air Coolers like the Noctua DH-15? What would you suggest for a 5900x?

[@rpospeedwagon]

That's why I'm here. 5900x and Fuma Sycthe 2. What did you end up doing?

[@weltsiebenhundert]

Numbers: 120mm = 14'400mm² 140mm = 19'600mm² 240mm = 28'800mm² 280mm = 39'200mm² 360mm = 43'200mm²

[@anthonysmith6413]

Got a 280mm on my 2080ti and it barely goes over 40°C even at 366Watt. Awesome cooling performance.

[@andreilaurentiunuca8473]

What about a 420mm ( 3 140mm ) ?

[@deletevil]

420mm RAD with 6x 140mm fans in push-pull configuration = ❤️

[@LucasDaRonco]

This actually confirmed a lot of stuff I experienced before, like my 240mm radiatior not coping with my i7 8700k overclocked above 4.7ghz

[@marcomongke3116]

How noisy would 240 fans be on something like 3900x or 3700x? I am sensitive to noise.

[@alexsiniov]

I usually go with simple math, 150W per 120mm radiator. My cooled components power consumption is around 400W CPU 170W in OC, GPU 240W full load, Chipset ~5W, VRM efficiency losses ~5% of CPU power, so max possible thermal load is 450W, gaming load ~ 350-400W, browsing 150W. So 360mm Xflow rad with 3x arctic freezer keeps loop temp pretty efficiently with total silence and good waterflow. 240mm EKWB 60mm thick radiator I had before handled it ok, but was getting hot after saturating the coolant volume. 40mm thick 360mm does much better with less load on pump due to no restriction because of X flow design. I love my cooling system, have it for 8 years already, did 2 platform changes and 2 GPU changes over this time, just drop in and not caring about cooling capacity. So I don't get builds with 3x 360mm radiators 🤦‍♂️

[@Denso481]

The fans in the 360mm are louder at the same level of air pressure produced compared to an 280mm alright, but since the cooler is overall more efficient, they need not spin as fast,meaning: 3 120mm fans at lower speed have the same cooling capacities as two faster 140mm fans while operating at the same volume. In short:When you make a noise normalized comparison, they have the same cooling at the same temperature.

[@jcbparsons2]

Watching those makes me feel bad buying the aurora r11 lol. It has a 120mm aio I’m pretty sure, but I made it into a push and pull type and put on thermal paste myself and my temps are 70-80. Is this good? Also I have been loving you two and the channel since I found it!

[@Admajors]

Check case and ram clearance too! My Be Quiet 500dx has a ram conflict with a 280mm on the roof, but 240mm is fine.

[@joshnlevinson]

Perhaps all things being equal a 280 would be quieter than a 360, but that won't necessarily be the case in the real world (with different models having different types of fans, etc.). For instance, I had a Corsair H110i 280mm cooler that sounded like a jet engine taking off under load. I now have an Arctic Liquid Freezer II 360 that is WAY quieter at max fan speed (night and day difference). I haven't compared the two on the same CPU, but I'm pretty sure the Arctic also cools better than the Corsair. So I don't think one can generalize and say a 280mm cooler will necessarily be quieter than a 360mm cooler.

[@lukas125]

I have an 8700k with a Corsair 240mm aio and I run at 4.9GHz with 35-40c idle and 75c on 100% load. You must have had a bad chip or a really bad aio

[@its_seezz8844]

5:30 You are correct on saying 3x 120mm fans are louder than 2x 140mm fans but the 3x fans make up for their noise using a larger radiator meaning the circulating water is more cooler on a 360mm radiator than a 280mm radiator and 2 the 360mm liquid cooler has a 14% larger surface area covering the CPU meaning its more efficient in cooling the CPU. with all that, I think you are incorrect sir.

[@lystic9392]

Wouldn't you advice to go for air cooling instead of AIO? Every time I dig into alternative cooling systems I find the same arguments that air cooling can be quieter, less maintenance and just as effective as liquid cooling solutions. The only downside I can find is that they are BIG but in terms of aesthetics I think it's kinda cool to have these huge heat-sinks and fans in there.

[@sonicwingnut]

For some stupid reason my case hasn't enough room at the top to fit a 240mm rad even though the vent is there, so running a 120mm but in push-pull config. It works well enough. Decent thermal paste plus offset undervolting my 3800X performs nicely.

[@mihapeterca7940]

So Mr Tech ... what coolers would you recomend for AMD 5 series CPUs? Maybe 240 wouldnt be enough and should go with 280 then? At least for R9 rank you dont get one in the box and the R7 ones. I think R5 gets you one

[@maxstueven1965]

My 2700x runs fast and quiet in my small form factor build on a 120mm H60 AIO with a Noctua A12x25 fan. But the again it was either a 120mm AIO or a very small air cooler.

[@cjsawinski]

I have an Arctic freezer 280 on my 3600x... game temps are 48c... stress test temps are 60c... fans are always at 20% rpm unless temps go over 50c they ramp to 50% (with a delay so temp spikes don’t kick it in). Never hear the fans

[@sam_9228]

Well, I just bought a 240mm aio for a ryzen 7 5800x (because of space constraints), will it be able to cool it?

[@grlmgor]

Yes but undervolt it.

[@L330HH]

A 280mm radiator with dual Noctua NF-A12x25 fans (best fans imo) with 140mm to 120mm Noctua Fan Adapters is the ultimate combo. They’re quieter and perform better than all stock 140mm fans that come with AIOs when noise normalized.

[@Shobu]

I went all the way to an 420mm, I don't regret a single thing.

[@anonymouscommentator]

Your math doesnt work out. 1. A 140 fan has a bigger diameter than a 120 fan thus the outer rotor blades on the 140 spin faster at the same rpm thus 140s are louder at the same rpm. Keep that in mind for my second point: 2. 360*120*1000rpm > 280*140*1000rpm. You neet to run the 140s at a higher rpm than the 120s to match the volume of air moved. Even tho point 1 shows that at the same rpm they already are louder. 3. Decibel and "loudness" is not a linear scale. So 3*medium sound level is way less than 2*higher sound level. 4. If you dont have a need for a 360 you dont have to spend the money, 280 do have some advantages like mounting or fitting in smaller cases sometimes. But a 360 does cool better.

[@camcat305]

Overclock is kinna weird for Fps...10 more frames if a system is already running above 60fps is very hard to notice 🤔

[@Tylercombs-w8f]

Depends if you have a higher refresh rate monitor

[@pleasureduma9693]

After 60 FPS it’s hard to notice anything. Too bad humans can’t upgrade their eyes

[@camcat305]

@@Tylercombs-w8f but human eyesight is like 75 hertz equivalent hmmm

[@Macho_Man_Randy_Savage]

Amen, 280mm all the way. Best all round size/performance if you can get one in, used them on CPU's and GPU's...I did have to compromise and stick 2x240mm in my DA2 mini ITX 😂

[@jessefisher1809]

Well damn I just ordered a 14700k hoping to cool it with my artic liquid freezer II 240. Hoping the thick radiator will save me.

[@FlaviaFelix]

I got a raid shadow legends ad. Is this still a thing? Nice info btw. Keep it up.

[@W3irdS33D]

Raid shadow legends!

[@ivo3598]

I have 360 AIO for my I7 9700k and i am very happy with my temps and very silent! Have Silentium 360 with RGB its awesome!:) I never go over 60 degrees while gaming

[@chrispieee]

Now you made me happy that i went with a 280. You are a legend!

[@lachyak]

There should be a 420mm one ( 3 140mm fans)

[@ezioauditore9364]

There is, the Alphacool Eisbaer 420, it goes for $180 on Amazon atm. Thats what i'm planning to put in my wifes pc.

[@lachyak]

@@ezioauditore9364 thanks for letting me know

[@AzraelIgnis]

My 360mm maintains my 5950x at 71c temp at full load when mining. Fans set to 80% and I have 10 of them. 7 setup for exhaust 3 intake in my 5000x case. GPU maintains around 55-61c. House temp is 75f.

[@samarnold2893]

Shouldn’t you get better results if you used 7 fans for intake and 3 for exhaust?

[@rangersmith4652]

A 10-core i9 can certainly benefit from a 360mm or 280mm, but for everything else a 240mm or smaller is okey dokey. In addition to generally being louder, the extra length of the 360mm is quite the bugger to fit even in cases that should accommodate it. My favorite AIO is the old Corsair H105, an extra thick 240mm with no RGB or USB dongles, just basic good cooling. I don't they're making it anymore.

[@weltsiebenhundert]

There is no Be quit here, there is me!

[@OlettaLiano]

Yo, Tech. I have two 65mm x 360mm radiators in my case with 12 120mm fans in push/pull in my system and from 2 feet away you can't hear them. I have the fan speed fixed to 800 rpm.

[@captainfatbat9557]

2 360mm radiators ? what the hell, you trying to freeze that cpu

[@OlettaLiano]

@@captainfatbat9557 No. The CPU and GPU have their own separate loops.

[@captainfatbat9557]

​@@OlettaLiano Sounds like a cool rig

[@OlettaLiano]

@@captainfatbat9557 It is. I put about $4500 into it. Early next year I'm planning to upgrade to a Ryzen 9 5900X and a 6800XT an some new waterblocks from EK.

[@CHICKENmcNUGGIESMydude]

I used to only buy 120 mm single fan aio then i started to buy 140mm liquid aio for the same price i do not like 2 or 3 fan Aios i stick with single fan aio .. I think it makes the build look so nice having a single fan aio in the reer all cases only have one reer exoust and a single fab aio is the sexiest thing u can put there

[@uncle4318]

See this a lot in the discord! Glad to have a reference clip now ;)

[@dahacksterkent8169]

I say 280 is the sweet spot! just add more fans! lol

[@silmupelaa6349]

Custom water loop FTW!

[@joost1183]

As per GN testing the 360 for EK and Arctic Freezer 2, 360 is more quiet.

[@christianhell7860]

With Lian Li Unifan coming Cable clutter will not be an Issue on the 360

[@661gamer9]

I wanna see that build you guys talked about at the end of the video!

[@michaelthompson9798]

Rogue got it in one talking about “size”, and might be a difficult topic for a Tech to admit too 😂🤣😅👍🥳👌🇦🇺😁

[@schubidubap]

It's not just the size that matters but also how much you can pump through it and how long it will last. I'm sorry.

[@allanboba143]

My wife said size doesn't matter

[@subrezon]

The 8700k story is not the 240mm rad's fault, it's the shitty TIM under the heat spreader. A guy I know runs a delidded 5GHz 8700k on a 240mm CLC sub @ 84 degrees, no problem. AMD and later Intel CPUs won't have any problems with overclocking under a 240mm CLC, except for maybe the i9s and the Ryzen 9s.

[@BenL0nd0n]

I'm planning to put a Corsair H150i RGB Pro XT (360mm) onto a Ryzen 5 5600x. Am I being bloody stupid? :D

[@Red_PlaysYT]

Can’t wait for my nhd15s, my h80iv2 120mm aio is not enough for my 5950x

[@Mikediszel]

Size always matters! 🤜🏾 Noctua nh-d15 chromax black

[@LogiForce86]

Why should I go for a AIO when my Noctua NH-D14 rivals them all and has been working fine for a decade. Fans still feel like new and no annoying waterpump whine and it's proven quiet to me. Only when I start to overclock a water setup will be beneficial because of how heatpipes work, but then you wouldn't be looking at an AIO but rather a custom water loop instead. So to me AIO solutions seem more like a computer nerd hipster thing than anything else, and yes I tried a Corsair H100i before I returned it for the Noctua above.

[@RedSunFX]

I run a Dark Rock Pro 4 and I am also very happy with it. But here some other reasons I can think of, for using an AIO: If you want to use RGB RAM, you will be limited by the clearance of high end air coolers. If you travel with your PC alot, an AIO will be better for transportation. The heavier part is mounted with more screws to the case, while the air cooler puts all that weight on the mother board. If you travel on shaky road, you have a higher risk with an air cooler.

[@joost1183]

Nhd14 is around the older 240mm perf. Nh d15 ws a bit better, but under 280. EK anc Arctic are more efficient now. Hot chips, oc and looks for aio . Pump whine is mostly of the past, a non issue

[@LogiForce86]

@@kenshinhimura9387 Yeah, but you are forgetting about air cooled Porsche engines. So air cooling isn't that bad but water cooling is a little higher performance in a more compact package. The thing is though, if my car leaks coolant it won't destroy it. If my computer does... different story. Higher risk and higher reward, but with more than enough performance air will do fine when not doing crazy overclocking. 2600k was running overclocked for decade.

[@LogiForce86]

@@RedSunFX True but my rig hasn't moved in a decade and I am old enough now that I won't be attending lan parties anymore because my school days are 15 years in the past. As for RGB. My computer is on my left hand side against a wall. So I will never look at the insides anyway. So no reason for a light show either. So those two things are good reasons but don't always fit all circumstances.

[@LogiForce86]

@@joost1183 Are you saying that you do not hear the pump anymore at all or is it still an added audible factor over an air cooler? Cause I like to build for worry free silence rather than extreme performance of looks. So I need that AIO to last a decade without having me to worry about it all the time, and it needs to be dead silent. Yet every moving component makes noise from my experience, so minimizing that is key.

[@ulaganath]

ML fans can run silently with lower rpm . Cm280 pro can’t keep 8700k cooler at even 4.7 hitting 88 and more

[@mikeramos91]

240 is the sweet spot. 360 is slightly better but not as big difference going from 120 to 240.

[@riddif]

LOL to that Intel Avenger bundle

[@murti-tube]

Im running 8700k with a H110 at 5ghz, no problems. Your problem there isnt the radiator, just dlid it. I never go over 65C

[@ByteSizeTech]

You have a 280mm AIO, I was referring to the H100, a 240mm AIO

[@suhdud4646]

Me having just bought the Phanteks Glacier One 280mm and sitting here thinking the video is going to say 360mm is the better option AND boom 280mm is recommend - Chuffed.

[@johnphamlore8073]

A technical question -- I see lots of "cowboys" on KZbin videos who are happy as long as the AIO and the video card fit in whatever case, even if the case is the size of large shoebox. Almost zero room inside the case other than for the parts. Is this viable in the long-run or is this just a stunt for some views?

[@RedSunFX]

I've seen some of these videos. What I often see is that they don't do overclocking, but undervolt for better temperatures. Also, they show how it's not throttling in a gaming workload but don't recommend it for render machines. If I recall correctly, some small form factor cases have well thought out designs, so that every component can circulate their own air. Also, by by ramping up the fans, you can brute force better temperatures :P

[@Vaxtin]

"Help me chat kenobi you're my only hoe" - [CC]

[@Cartoonman154]

I've seen some videos of H55 on Ryzens

[@isaactrujillo5396]

I needed a 360 for my 9900k lol that chip is one toasty boy lol

[@ItzJBenZ]

Size... lol and then she says price lol.... Shes not lying.. lol.

[@1967KID]

I got a cosair h100v2 getting dust i change it for the new noctua new $99.00 cooler push and pull, the other 3 computers in my house got noctua nh-u9se2 push and pull and work way better than aio h100v2 any day .air is 15c cooler.

[@webster27]

i3 or R3=120mm i5 or R5=240mm i7 or R7=280mm i9 or R9=360mm

[@theonleeone6291]

280 mil --> 360 mil 👎 280 mil --> 420 mil 👍

[@killercon2735]

Don't wanna be rude, but can you please add some parts that you pride and true recommend? 🥺

[@ByteSizeTech]

You mean like we do every Tuesday on the Newegg Now Deal streams over on Tech Deals!! Go Check them out!!

[@LITSClassicGaming]

when they leak, i dont think size will matter

[@bakagamingcommentary]

360 over 280 m aio in certain case 360 will use all the space in the case and look better. bascliy better ascetic to go 360 over 280 m aio

[@tacklefatkids]

Eh it depends what CPU you have in your build regardless.

[@jonashediger182]

so 480 it is.

[@mrchillgreen]

my brain cannot follow what youre talking about. at first it was ok where u actualy showed pictures after that it was impossible.

[@jeremy4ags]

No, but RGB does

[@weltsiebenhundert]

Chat kenobi

[@RobBCactive]

Disappointing, discussion of cooling radiator sizes without mentioning TDP .. just Intel hot, Ryzen run cool

[@nivinraphael]

Yesss

[@francischabot1412]

Size always matter ;)

[@Haddley333]

In the oddball that prefers air coolers. Dark rock pro 4 ftw

[@fiece4767]

Have that one, gonna replace it with kraken x63. Should perform the same but better estetics and reachability.

[@stevin47]

go rogue

[@thebossroleplay4105]

Ryzen runs cooler then inel lol lol 2023 7000 series that did not age well pol

[@zedhok7534]

size facepalm