DOF Reality H3 or P3?

This is a video I wish someone had made when I was going through the process of deciding whether or not to go with the H3 or the P3.

[@tobytoxd]

Thank you very much!

[@ebradley82]

Thanks for this summary. Had been going back and forth a lot and as someone who races only in VR it seemed overkill to get the P3 if nothing else was being mounted to the rig. Pulling the trigger this week!

[@Redmist370Z]

Honestly, I love my H3. I know some guys turn their motion off in races but I hate driving without it.

[@ebradley82]

@@Redmist370Z seems counter productive t9 turn off in a race. Ive had buttkickers for a couple years and I know if I forget to turn them on it feels like the sim is broken lol

[@Redmist370Z]

@@ebradley82 I usually run at least three bass shakers as well (Dayton's) but they don't affect your senses like motion. The reality is that most people will be slower with motion because of the added feedback you are dealing with. It puts strains on your body and equilibrium that add another variable for your brain to process. I would compare it to using a h-pattern shifter. I am definitely faster on my sequential, but I want the added level of emersion.

[@ebradley82]

@@Redmist370Z I can see that. I also love rowing gears if its appropriate to the car. And having fun with added immersion is the goal. A lot of 7k+ irating aliens are doing it from a desk mounted g27 in a college dorm. So my end goal isn't shaving time but having a good time.

[@MtnXfreeride]

@Redmist370Z Fasano old comment but.. i could care less about comparing my times to others. I play for immersion .. vr, shifting my gears, and someday motion.

[@brolaire8851]

That stutter that occurs when you reach an incline could be software related. The system could be trying to adjust that backwards roll to match both the g-forces AND the incline movements at the same time.

[@demdirtyboyz247]

It's been address and it's a known issue now, it's cogging, DOF is testing a new Gearbox at the flightsim tradeshow this week attempting to showcase an elimination of the cogging issue.

[@Redmist370Z]

As a baseline. Driver weight is 200 lbs and balance is 8% Front 10% Right. I also run the dampers.

[@dofreality]

Good summary. Try to shift the weight a bit to the front so motors are always loaded a bit without a dead zone

[@Redmist370Z]

Thanks. I will give that a try tonight.

[@Redmist370Z]

Ok. I did a little experimentation last night. Small weight increases up front really did not change anything. Just to see what would happen I hung a 10 lbs weight off the front pedal tray and that did smooth out the pitch up movement. Although, in all fairness, the slight stepping motion seemed to move to pitch down. I will keep playing with it to find that balance.

[@dofreality]

@@Redmist370Z so it is coming from the game or SRS. Try changing SRS profile settings

[@Redmist370Z]

@@dofreality Its coming from the SRS and is noticeable in test mode as well. What settings do you suggest I change?

[@FernandoCicarelli]

Good video, thanks. So overall you don’t wake up at night wishing you had gone with the P3? It’s a considerable saving going for the H3 and that’s the way I intend to go so far. Thanks :)

[@Redmist370Z]

No. Especially after the gearbox upgrades.

[@theuniverse8416]

So let me summarize this for you as I have done the research in depth and got the info from DOF themself. The bottom line is that the p3 has a 12 % stronger engine , thats it thats all, no difference in motion & response time. I have run my H3 sins 2020, I have over 20k racing km on it and the engine didn't overheat once. I had days I had friends over and did 20 Iracing races in a roll , no issues, as long ;1. You assemble it correctly 2. you calibrate it every year 3. You turn it OFF when you not using it

[@Redmist370Z]

Not very topical. This video was made 2 years ago when the DOF reality rig was new and a billion had not already been sold. But thanks...

[@theuniverse8416]

@@Redmist370Z Dof reality exist for 7 years now , I love my rig and have nothing negative to say about DOF, if you can't swallow the candy don't get mad buddy.

[@Redmist370Z]

@@theuniverse8416 can’t swallow the candy… Wow. You got me good. Where do come up with such witty responses?

[@letsgobrandon6545]

I wonder if there's a way to differentiate between H3 and P3, assuming both are with new SFU. Like motor serial#s or model#s

[@Redmist370Z]

The P3 definitely use different (more powerful) motors. I suspect, with 0% actual knowledge, that the H3 motors with SFU are closer to the P3 without. I can say the H3 with SFU and some secret (but easily available) demon tweaking to the software I can almost make my rig topple over if I so desired.

[@Username_Invalid]

You mean by looks can you tell the difference of the motors? If so yes, the h motors are about 2 inches shorter and don’t have a big grey aluminum piece on the end of the motor where the wires go in.

[@letsgobrandon6545]

@@Username_Invalid yea I figured they have extra inch section that is not present on H. Thanks

[@Redmist370Z]

ibb.co/R2prkWW here is the motor on the P3

[@Moore_Power]

I'm actually just now purchasing a H3, and I'm little concerned about this "delay" you're talking about. Is this something that can be adjusted via software, or is this just tolerance on the motors and cams? When racing, in general, reaction time is everything, right? When I race now, I'm dependent on the change or shift on my monitor. I was really hoping this would be worth more than just immersion...

[@Redmist370Z]

I was not experiencing a "delay". It was more of a stutter in the motors (or gearbox) limited to the transistion onto the banking of super speedways (that is the only time I get the stutter).

[@SosaKinkos]

@@Redmist370Zhey bubba just checking, do you have the sfu gearboxes? As I understand these are a fairly new product but I’m unsure how recent

[@hunterlogan2913]

owned 3 Sim Rigs two of them 3 dof. DOF Reality is great rig for the price, any of them! This not a cheap hobby or profession. SFU gearbox a must IMO to remove gear lash. Most Sim Rigs with motion are considered carnival rides which add fun/immersion. You learn/familiarize yourself with the track just little applicable race car handling feedback to a real race car for driver Check SimCraft for an excellent rig but $$$, though sim rig most closly parrallels an actual RACE Car when on an iRacing track which has most accurate track & race car telemetry. Your rig is as strong as its weakest link including the driver. Spend $$ accordingly

[@stevebobowski3507]

Could you please give the total length of the rig from front pedal plate to the back?

[@Redmist370Z]

Will do after I get home.

[@stevebobowski3507]

@@Redmist370Z wicked, thanks

[@Redmist370Z]

45 inches from end of pedal tray to the seat frame/base. But of course The back of my seat extends out probably another foot.

[@stevebobowski3507]

@@Redmist370Z thanks alot for taking the time out your day for this. Really helps me get a picture of how it's going to fit into the area I have for it. Another question......seat recommendations? I'll be mainly playing dirt 2.0

[@Dronetothetop]

Neither. They just upped the price that's already high about $700 two days ago. Completely out of consideration now. $6800 for H6 shipped to US and I also have to buy $300 chair. $9000 total if you want P6. Absolutely INSANE.

[@Redmist370Z]

There is an active war going on...

[@toreon1978]

@@Redmist370Z War? Tell us more.

[@Redmist370Z]

@@toreon1978 do you prefer special operation?

[@AchOwed]

To the OP: What is the alternative, then?

[@Dronetothetop]

@@AchOwed None for now. DIY if you want a little bit cheaper but it will be almost as same high price as this one. The P6 rig used be around $5500 shipped before pandemic but not anymore. Time to wait for better deal.