LIVE Japanese Pronunciation & Pitch-accent Lecture!

[@nickm3694]

0:04:25 う (u) sound 0:07:58 かきくけこ (k-) sounds 0:14:03 nasalized G sound 0:17:20 し sound 0:19:25 たちつてと (t-) sounds 0:23:02 "Are Japanese sounds more aspirated?" 0:28:51 "I feel like I can't remember words and grammar points" 0:32:15 なにぬねの (n-) sounds 0:34:47 "I feel like I'm practicing a lot but not making a lot of practice" 0:37:42 ふ sound 0:41:30 まみむめも (m-) sounds 0:42:08 やゆよ sounds 0:45:06 らりるれろ (r-) sounds 0:53:03 を (wo) sound 0:56:06 ん (n) sound 1:03:13 pitch accent start - why study it? 1:05:00 beginner pitch accent test 1:10:33 "why is there a slight pitch drop at end of heiban words" 1:13:26 "why is pitch missing for 日本 in the apple dictionary?" 1:13:47 'I have to look up every words pitch accent!?' - pitch accent patterns start 1:14:44 The -3 rule / typical noun loan word pitch 1:17:55 "How do I train my 'r' sounds" 1:19:00 The -3 rule continued 1:22:53 "Do ん and っ count as Mora?" - Mora that break the rule 1:25:35 The 2 types of verbs 1:30:36 verbs that don't fit this rule 1:33:58 'How can I tell which type of verb it is?' - common verb pitch patterns 1:34:31 pitch accent of verbs ending in つ 1:36:38 pitch accent of verbs ending in ぶ 1:39:02 exceptions to the ぶ rule 1:42:22 As you can see, you don't have to look up the pitch accent of every word 1:43:54 "How do I internalize these pitch accent rules?" 1:44:45 "Are there any recommended books to learn these rules?" and other resources for learning pitch rules 1:52:13 "What is the best way to look up the pitch accent of a word?" 1:54:04 "How do I prevent burnout when learning Japanese?" 2:00:00 "Why learn pitch accent if different dialects have different pitch accents?" 2:03:15 じ vs ぢ and ず vs づ 2:06:00 "Are どう, ドー and どお all pronounced the same?" 2:09:12 "How do I pronounce はんらん?" 2:10:05 "Is えい always pronounced as ええ" 2:12:23 "How early should I study pitch accent?" 2:14:34 Japanese "R" vs English D 2:16:26 "Does the Patreon include comparisons between English and Japanese sounds?" 2:17:40 "What tips do you have for improving my Japanese quickly?" 2:18:25 How much of pitch accent is arbitrary vs how much of pitch accent follows rules 2:21:10 "Is speaking Japanese with correct pitch accent important to Japanese people?" 2:26:53 "Do I need to know much grammar to follow along with the Patreon?" 2:28:30 Some info about Patreon 2:29:40 end of stream

[@Dogen]

Thank you very much Nick!

[@OrangeC7]

It's always great when someone volunteers to be timestamp guy, ありがとうございます

[@joemetzengerstein8519]

Thank you so much for the time stamps, it really helps a lot Unfortunately I'm not too keen on stamping but it's a bit delayed by a minute or so, just pointing it out ^^ Thanks for the video, Dogen!!!! I'll take a lifetime to digest it

[@MacTaipan]

I‘m surprised to see so few Japanese learning resources even highlight pitch accents. I understand that it’s advanced stuff, but I still think it would be good to have the option to learn it correctly right from the beginning. To me it makes much more sense then trying to correct a bad pronunciation afterwards.

[@goldthunderx]

This was such a great stream! I loved how interactive it was! Finally got some of my questions answered as well. Would love to see more of these in the future!

[@nagiii159]

pitch accent stuff is always great but i think there's also a massive lack of content comprising the proper pronunciation of japanese vowels and consonants so this was a facinating watch to me

[@Vic-yj7sm]

Thank you Dōgen ! I'm french and I learned how to seem more native in Japanese AND in English because you explain so well particularities of both x)

[@ヒマ人浪人生]

I came to see it after being introduced to it by an Australian friend who speaks good Japanese. I've only watched it for about 5 minutes so far, but I've made a lot of interesting discoveries and it's fun! (translated from Japanese！)

[@retrohipster1060]

Good your new home is so beautiful Dogen. The audio in the new studio is perfect.

[@GoldenSuperKamichu]

素晴らしい。

[@Trynottoblink]

You’re a lifesaver for this, thank you.

[@nyatto]

Great stream, thanks Dogen! It helped me become aware of some phonology and pitch accent rules I was applying unconsciously, and also helped me correct mistakes I didn't realize I was making :)

[@gandalf1783]

Yeah, free learning advice! Thank you!

[@Iscream4j0y]

Lately I've been using IPtv on VLC to watch an hour or so of Japanese television a night to try and practice listening and recognition, and trying to understand and pick up sayings / new words, it's been pretty fun, and allows me to work on my active listening in a more random environment, it's been very fun to actually recognize a full sentence and get to actually appreciate the wording of a phrase

[@wingwaabuddha]

I took a 13 year break from learning Japanese... My wife started learning Japanese because we are moving there. Somehow I remembered nearly all the vocal, grammar not so much, but its crazy how I remember it all

[@nemuitanuki]

This was a game changer to me. Thank you for all the information.

[@atakoranodonbrachiosaurus1209]

37:20 to that part in my personal experience, I'd say take a break from active studying. Although not JP (applied knowledge is similar enough) I studied and practiced intensely yet didn't improve, but after interrupting my studies (vacation and then sickness) I noticed like you that the issue was suddenly solved, as if I had properly digested and could now rearrange the puzzle pieces correctly with no problem

[@KramRemin]

EI don't merge in : Uke-ireru, (take in) rei (flounder) mei (neice) Tangorin gives: 受け入れる うけ-いれる to accept; to receive; to agree 鰈 チョウ・トウ・かれい sole; flatfish; flounder 姪 めい niece ➜ 姪御・姪子

[@KramRemin]

For T, tongue is on teeth; NR (e.g., benri) is a blend, the tongue being in the same place at the end of ben & beginning of ri.

[@herwigegghart927]

Thanks a bunch for your great work and contagious passion, Dogen! Your example has inspired me to teach a pitch-accent mini-course within the B-level Japanese course I'm currently attending. As for "ei" and "ou" functioning as long vowels, I think this is primarily an on-yomi issue (plus some obvious cases like そう、どうぞ、ありがとう). Take スペイン and 小売 for example, which are both nouns but (like 姪, by the way) are NOT pronounced with a long vowel - presumably because their respective "ei" or "ou" doesn't stem from the on-yomi of a kanji.

[@KramRemin]

Getting a feeling like the thing to keep your eye on is not so much the pitch-accent, (as in Ancient Greek prosody, a YANG phenomenon) but rather (shifting to an IN perspective) the PITCH-COLLAPSE.

[@WatashiWannabe]

Been listening to/watching this while at work...getting back into learning Japanese after perhaps too long of a break. This is a lot of great info here. And thank you for reinforcing the concept of taking regular breaks at about the 1:55:00 mark...I try to force myself to work through burnout phases, knowing that it's often counterproductive, but I have this problem where I feel like resting is wasting time...and then it ends up in a long break because I lose focus.

[@herwigegghart927]

According to my resources, 考える can have the downstep either before or after the え - and generally speaking, it seems that the standard position (before る) is always OK for ichidan verbs. Godan verbs are a different story, of course, and here I have observed that the exact vowel combination determines whether a shift to the left is due: Yes for "ae", "ai", "oo", but not for "ao" (e.g. 治る).

[@michellenoirstudios]

39:00 フグ🐡 reminds me of the Japanese blog Tofugu Thanks for the video Dogen!

[@dethswurl117]

This was extremely helpful for me, thank you so much for posting this for all of us broke boys on KZbin

[@xydez]

Missed the stream but really enjoyable to watch, would love to see more of the longer content

[@clicky5494]

I watched it the whole thing and it went way quicker than my of my other classes. Maybe i can become jozu one day

[@Eternal-Security]

Lol, the "これはペンです" meme got a shout out. I clapped.

[@bobbyslickton4742]

26:34 good example of this is たっかっ！！ as in ‘so expensive’ or ‘so high/tall’

[@khelian613]

I finally took the time to listen to all that while working, I really loved it, very glad to see you spontaneously explore all that interesting stuff. I was wondering though, have you ever tried learning more languages than Japanese? I feel like you could benefit from adding to your frame of reference when comparing sounds between languages - (welp, you kinda often show that English is particularly different to it when it comes to phonetics, I'd say, compared to even many european languages, so you coming from a farther point might actually be beneficial to everybody by encompassing more possible "corrections".) Anyway, thanks for the great content!

[@EvgenyUskov]

that's so metaphysical. you may as well spend this much time on learning some kanji

[@matzekatze7500]

Spend time on both at the same time

[@risa8834]

Thank you so much

[@KramRemin]

抜剣 ばっけん drawing one's sword Hence: 剣を抜剣する

[@KramRemin]

ROKU-JUU NO SHITA-NARAI! (Tonguemanship at 60!)

[@piousmuffin5285]

I've never really studied pitch accent, so when I found out about it's existence like 6 years into learning Japanese I was kinda scared that I'd picked up some really bad habits. Well turns out the advantage of doing 90% of your learning through listening means you don't really need to study pitch accent, or pronounciation for that matter.

[@oyoo3323]

1:21:10 I get what you mean, but it really isn't just for English-origin words. This itself is an example. ヨーグルト is not from English, it's from the German "Joghurt". I could tell right away. English, Dutch and German are close relatives, and often have similar words for things. And Japanese has LOADS of words from Dutch, and a decent number from German too. People often confuse these words for English ones, but they really aren't. In the particular case of ヨーグルト I could immediately tell it wasn't English even because of one important detail, the ル in it. If the Japanese had taken the English word "yoghurt", it would have become ヨーガート, not ヨーグルト. There are even cases when Japanese has taken the same word from both Dutch and English, and gave each one a different meaning. For example: ガラス (glass material) from Dutch "glas", but グラス (glass cup) from English "glass". コップ (a cup of any kind) from Dutch "kop", but カップ (a mug specifically) from English "cup". And many others.

[@napallday9334]

Does someone by any chance have time stamps for the tips?

[@Dogen]

Coming soon!

[@ailais8281]

Ahh yes! The infamous this is a pen experiment

[@pseudotatsuya]

英語のphonics難しいけど、日本語もこうやってみると難しく見えるな

[@cool0collin]

Thank you thank you

[@KramRemin]

2:06 waiting for the Uke-Ireru of OU. (Cited by Dogen, uhr, Thomas, as a counter-example that EI is always pronounced E----.

[@KramRemin]

There it is! 追う お-う to chase; to run after; to pursue; to follow after

[@tb4u646]

It is true that English /u/ is rounded, while Japanese /ɯ/ is not. But English /u/ is both in most accents! /u/ is pronounced like [ʉu̯], a diphthong, in most of the US. Have you considered teaching students to take the first part of the diphthong while ignoring the glide and use that for Japanese?

[@GryphonIndustrial]

So many light bulbs have come on I look like a Christmas tree.

[@t_aikutsu]

23:08 KILL KILL KILL

[@allenyu3749]

hey dogen, are you the same dogen that made that ankle conditioning video a billion years ago?

[@ApteraEV2024]

Stopin in, 🎉

[@troyfarms104]

23:07 me being activated by my CIA handlers

[@KramRemin]

What's the proportion of KIMERU (heiban) vs. TABERU (nakadaka) verbs?

[@Deckbark]

what a gigachad

[@Zaph_Kiel]

aww I missed it oh yeah 23:30 kawari pen desu or something, I saw that on one of abroads vids

[@joshuaradloff1070]

u mean kore wa pen desu😹

[@VarsavaBo-Hibf]

「便利」I CAN'T! it's so hard. You kind of end up saying BENDI or BENNI if you don't do that additional flick with your tongue, feels very unnatural for a Ukrainian native speaker but GANBARIMASHO!

[@matzekatze7500]

GAMBARIMASHOU😜😂

[@Mathias-bz2kr]

I think Pitch accent is as important as stød(glutteral stops) in danish. I agree not really important for communication. When someone talks danish with an accent, IE using non-native vowels, that is something I personally find annoying as it is harder to decode the meaning "ind med engelsk" (english is good enough/in) or "end med engelsk" (rather than with english) . I would personally strive for a native vowel pronunciation, plus some general pitch accent, like hashi(chopsticks) vs hashi(bridge)

[@aarondouault5406]

How does the pitch accent evolve when the verb is conjugated ?

[@ITZJORGEN]

For if u need it: Hirigana: A I U E O あ い う え お KA KI KU KE KO か き く け こ SA SHI SU SE SO さ し す せ そ TA CHI TSU TE TO た ち つ て と NA NI NU NE NO な に ぬ ね の HA HI FU HE HO は ひ ふ へ ほ MA MI MU ME MO ま み む め も YA YU YO や ゆ よ RA RI RU RE RO ら り る れ ろ WA WO わ を N ん Katakana: A I U E O ア イ ウ エ オ KA KI KU KE KO カ キ ク ケ コ SA SHI SU SE SO サ シ ス セ ソ TA CHI TSU TE TO タ チ ツ テ ト NA NI NU NE NO ナ ニ ヌ ネ ノ HA HI FU HE HO ハ ヒ フ ヘ ホ MA MI MU ME MO マ ミ ム メ モ YA YU YO ヤ ユ ヨ RA RI RU RE RO ラ リ ル レ ロ WA WO ワ ヲ N ン

[@matzekatze7500]

And now Kanji😂

[@ITZJORGEN]

@@matzekatze7500 BRO WANTS ME DYING

[@matzekatze7500]

@@ITZJORGEN 😂😂

[@ody1212]

2:21:56 wait, isn't the 十年 here correct (well, ignoring the unnecessary stress/loudness)? or am i tripping?

[@JiNArena]

2:29:29 this timing whyyyy

[@sebastianradlmeier8922]

Where has your hair gone?

[@oksanafujiwara4429]

Where have your manners gone?

[@noxiousdow]

あ、「マドガサキ」じゃなくて、「マドガサキ」です。🤣

[@lunalui]

English tea and Japanese tea... sorry.

[@soweli3033]

Yes Mr white

[@torreym]

um... uncomfortable. Dude, just relax.

[@matzekatze7500]

? What's your problem again?

[@KramRemin]

"Voiced Velar Fricative" is just the name for the process discussed under KA-GHHHHA-MI. (mirror) en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Voiced_velar_fricative ɣ

[@kevin-7091]

Thanks!

[@kellyl564]

Thanks!

[@Dogen]

Thank you!