Dogfighting With WINGLESS PLANES!

[@DanyF02]

How to make a competitive wingless plane by scrap... Step 1: Make a really well armored heavy flying brick. Step 2: Put huge exposed critical parts on the outside.

[@tarevamarvin]

Not a brick, instead a wedge

[@Sylverbound]

WEDGEEE

[@Actually_Fizzdo]

WEDGEEE

[@BlehVR._.]

WEDGEEE:pronounced wed-guh

[@moroblizniak4457]

16:05 Notice that every time you shot Yuzi, he is constantly changing his direction and speed. In this situation, you stayed on the same path and there was not enough speed for rocket to miss.

[@cheesyboy007]

Must say, scrap man did well going for the strongest shape.

[@smiley165]

Real civil engineer approved

[@somedud3169]

Man i was just about to say this lmfao

[@BenskiBoi]

@@smiley165what do we think of architects

[@akaeron6472]

​@@BenskiBoino

[@cheesyboy007]

@@BenskiBoi We do not accept their exsistence as a concept.

[@djollands]

With how powerful the new blaster is, I think a tank battle would be kinda crazy with all the new blocks. Shield and armor, and use of all weapons could lead to some interesting tactics.

[@alexcannon-microdot]

I feel like Real Civil Engineer would be proud of Scrap's design 😋

[@altpanic6794]

It's a very strong design

[@Ilikepizza114]

So true lmfao

[@Kasra-n7x]

Youzi's design is pretty archetectrul

[@Kasra-n7x]

We're Engineers

[@DolgoonTamir-s1h]

Very strong shape

[@nicklausdavis]

I think yuzi’s gyro set up made his craft very ‘slippery’ making your missiles have a lot of trouble predicting him.

[@robertjansen6019]

Excited for next weeks video: Dogfighting With PLANELESS WINGS.

[@ShadowMajick]

Your comment about forgetting shields gave me an idea - One of you has shields and lower tier weapons while the other has better weapons and no shields. Both crafts could be built with shields, and then alternate who gets to turn theirs on. Sort of an interesting test to see what weapons it would take to balance out the advantage of shields vs. no shields. It could be done in atmosphere or space. Your choice.

[@johnbauduin1563]

Reminds me of the old gladiator battles where one would wear a sleek helmet with a shield and dagger, and the other would have a trident and net

[@WhitzWolf92]

I wonder if mount orientation has any impact of the weapons' tracking. Scrapman's guns were mounted sideways but Yzuie's were fully upside down. If they have less up-down range of motion than left-right, that might be why Scrapman's lock-on didn't seem as effective. Time for science! I'll report back shortly. EDIT: Science! Tests were conducted using a 2x2 block dropped 1 block onto a single anchor pin using detachable blocks at a range of 20 studs (to borrow the LEGO term). A 2x2 stack of pistons then moved the target block until the lock disengaged. The guns were rotated in place, always occupying the same 2x2 space regardless of orientation. Smart Cannon: Left/Right 21 (42 total). Up 17/Down 18 (35 total). Mini Gun: Left/Right 15 (30 total). Up 11/Down 12 (23 total). Blaster: Left/Right 14 (28 total). Up 10/Down 11 (21 total). Large Cannon & EMP Launcher: Left/Right 18 (36 total). Up 14/Down 15 (29 total). Rocket Launcher: Left/Right 18 (36 total). Up 15/Down 14 (29 total). Note: The Rocket Launcher uniquely defaults to mounting underslung, however "Up" and "Down" here still refer to having the attachment points on the bottom and top, respectively.

[@MynxSheep]

To be fair... Dogs don't have wings!

[@Ghost_face_gangsta2]

Haha "Dog"fight isn't it 😅

[@justinpatterson5291]

That's what I was always confused about. I've never seen the co-relation to planes and dogs. All the dogs I know, can't fly.

[@tonydwietwarze]

​@@justinpatterson5291 you just don't know the right dogs ;)

[@PumpkinHeadKing]

Cause it looks like a dog is trying to fight his tail so in jets looks like trying to to chase it’s tail

[@beaclaster]

​@@PumpkinHeadKinggoes from props ainnit

[@benrboss]

You should do dogfights with jess’ custom missile and seeker mod once it gets more features. It currently works but is in a sort of open beta.

[@joshua35619]

Yuzi is really getting very good at Trailmakers. Soon the The student will get better than the teacher lol

[@MrLucky5001]

Scrapman built a very efficient-looking wingless plane

[@littlebittygames2395]

I would love to see RCE join for a build challenge! We have to storm the comments of both channels.

[@CameronHarris-bi6lf]

I think you should do a dogfight with only ONE wing 🙂

[@tvh4260]

That’s not that difficult tho, just make a catamaran looking plane

[@pcenero]

Literally only one wing piece.

[@pyrodacasual]

I mean just build PBY catalina

[@RoxyGotMoxy.]

I think you should do a 'superweapon' dogfight. - multiple players work in teams of 2, 700 blocks, any weapons, cores, items etc you want, an hour to design. The catch? They must all fly. Someone might go for a slow, heavily armored gunship bristling with forward firing guns or turrets, someone might make something SUPER fast and evasive with a rocket alpha strike at close range, someone else might make something that fires in all directions and spins like the death blossom from The Last Starfighter.. I reckon you guys could come up with something *NUTS*, and I know you'd get the interaction/clicks, cuz everyone loves seeing people push a game and their creativity to crazy limits.

[@ShadowDrakken]

Since the wedges can create downforce and upforce, I'd love to see a dogfight where all your lift comes from wedges :)

[@Wiwerest]

I wonder if it is possible to build using wedges to achieve a 'real' wing profile which would generate lift similarly to real life physics.

[@ThatGamerPilot]

​@@Wiweresti dont think the physics are advanced enough for that

[@cappyantonio1367]

Tank battle in SsPpAaCcEe!🎉 Ins:200 blocks 30PC 2Sb ONE TURRET with bombs

[@Crazyclay78YT]

16:34 ill make the joke he wanted to make, "e-rocket-ile dysfunction"

[@siepkotack2864]

Hey @Scrapman! Do you know that there is a new DLC for Teardown? If so, PLEASE PLAY IT, YOUR AMAZING!!

[@dustinsouza7917]

A cool Idea would be to fight with "space" ships flying around and using cannon balls for some cool fights.

[@Spring-lock]

Try planless wings

[@foxboy8837]

I would love to see a boss fight mode or something where one person has a bunch of shields and a turret and everyone else is trying to destroy them with high power vehicles

[@kevingiesbrecht9088]

You should do a challenge where the dispensers are the only weapon. So you could have a vehicle that shoots snowballs all the way to a missile that drops a line of walls. The only limitation being it has to be a land vehicle. This would be super cool cause of the all the flexibility in the weapons.

[@Kimtroverted]

I wanna see a 2v2 race where one person drives the build, the other is mounted on a turret that only has EMPs equipped on it. Bonus rules, if your vehicle sustains damage you cannot repair (to make EMP'd tumbles more impactful) and no shields are allowed.

[@Robonoob_per]

Pls make a video where u attempt to make the same vehicle in every game u play and see how different games behave

[@roccov3614]

I think Yzuei managed to make it more functional for once. Nice work. Scrapman, I think your rocket were bugged.

[@NortherrorZaGod]

Been a while since I watched this channel, I got trailmakers myself a long while ago, one of the best purchases I’ve made!

[@Qewqred2]

You need to do a dog fight with planes that drift

[@supersmiley5587]

Idea: you fight on the "planet" inside the asteroid field and play in first person. Your view will be blocked off so you can only use the weapon aiming radicals to navigate. You are out when your weapons got taken out Basicly spray,pray, and be blind

[@SirPhoenixTheDon]

I dont know if you know but, the always upright gyro (I forget the name atm) works with a rotating device in it. So to keep you rocking from back and forth, or nose pitching down, turn the gyro sideways just like you would if you used a heli engine with angle sensor.

[@roelieboy204]

Idea: Vehicle battle. Just build anything that will hopefully get you the win. Let's see Howmush destruction we can see when you're only limited to your imagination (and the 700 block limit). Maybe build a plane with 5 of every weapon? Maybe build a truck with 20 miniguns on the back. Or maybe build a submarine that can fly so you can hide under the water. I think it's will be fun too see what everyone comes up with.

[@tagbopple]

A challenge where you build your vehicles, and don't show them to the other person before you battle them would be cool I think.

[@spoonmantsp]

Definitely could tell you enjoyed doing that video and enjoyed being yourself. So glad to see it.

[@ScottySR]

A TNT plane fight with 1-3 layers of shields to protect you might be interesting to see.

[@Hadeks_Marow]

hapter bawl baddles!!!

[@cosmicsnailjuice]

Great video! Also I wonder what the next major Trailmakers update is going to be.

[@reininappy]

Next challenge should be a dog fight with no aerodynamic blocks

[@catguy2971]

Next challenge = planeless wing

[@rarnaldo5534]

Realistic space battleship with 200 power core

[@deadmeme23]

His builds are evolving just backwards

[@justsomejerseydevilwithint4606]

Technically, all you need is rotary controls and thrust.

[@mercy9375]

The passifist Achievement. Win a battle without dealing a single bit of damage.

[@WoodrosWorld]

Wingless planes aka flying submarines

[@Jake_Gotthard]

4:28 my idea (im at that time rn so dont blame me if he does this later on) is adding 1 more gun at the top of the plane so you Can shoot a little above you to account for upwards evasive manuevers

[@lanerobey5800]

How about Snake Planes? Your thrust and main lift on the first, larger section with smaller sections attached behind it by 0 power hinges and just enough lift to support themselves.

[@tarevamarvin]

it doesn't clarify as an airplane because it doesn't have wings. Great video!

[@theblockingone]

Ooooh no wings! I have started to remove ailerons and go for compact plane designs using the gyro thingy, you should make a challenge off that.

[@GardenOfSilver]

We've seen wingless planes. Is it time to whip out planeless wings?

[@Chris-ok4zo]

I remember Scraps made a vid where he made a wingless plane, but since it was before most of the DLC was released, it looked a lot more like those experimental NASA lifting body aircraft. Now they basically made piloted missiles with guns. Kinda feels cheated using the gyros.

[@townpoem]

Nice, looks a bit like the puddle jumper from Stargate Atlantis.

[@ukker267]

scrapman you can turn on the old rotation things on in the settings

[@jamesbondini2477]

that thing was even more dysfunctional than the glider

[@TotallyNotAFox]

Space battle but the only propulsion being quantum rudders working like a paddle steamer

[@endo5464]

"so im just gonna start packing some thrust into this thing" -scrapman

[@colmdonnelly9511]

A fight using the same craft in air and space would be cool For extra challenge you could be forced to use wings in atmosphere

[@GameExplorersX]

16:17 lmao i see red and shoot, my rockets are like "he used to be there"

[@Duke00x]

Planes without wings are called rockets.

[@cobaltwoof]

I feel that that pitch down you were dealing with is due to your center of thrust being behind your center of mass, normally this would be fine if you had wings, but since you didn't, the optimal placing of your center of thrust should have been as close to the center of mass as it could have been.

[@GamerBravo7]

I like that they are not mentally ready for shielded planes

[@niceman_ak7940]

Do a juggernaut fight where 1 player can use 700 blocks, unlimited shield generators, and unlimited weapons, while everyone else is restricted to 1 shield generator, a reasonable number of power cores for weapons (say about 8), and 100 blocks

[@mistyLmistake]

I think a good and interesting idea would be making space crafts in the space map, with a 150 block limit, and then without telling the others beforehand going to the floating island map and then fighting eachother

[@limbomask4745]

A windy air battle in the ocean map would be cool

[@smitethecanlord]

you see scrap what you were dealing with in the rocket round is what we like to call projectile dysfunction

[@daemonicone4098]

I love your vids man, thanks for all the hard work. Small note for today's, sounds like you've got some extra reverb on your vocal audio channel.

[@starburstalpha7523]

This was really interesting! I hope we continue seeing more great content from you! What would you think about doing something in Storm Works: Build and Rescue? It might be a little out of your comfort zone, though.

[@sksofficial5908]

yzuei clearely been playing star citizen and taking inspiration from the MSC Razor

[@lizdenisthemenace1719]

6:03 looks like it used to have wings wings but lost them lol

[@Youraveragecommenter45]

dog fight idea: have an underwater fight but using space weapons if the weapons work underwater it should be fun second idea: space ships vs military basicly one team fight the air kinda like a ground vs air fight but with new weapons

[@TheWormOfJakes]

You need to do a plane-sub battle. It would be cool to see you chase each other into the water

[@therandomtransformersanima6236]

They didn’t really have enough block choices to just wing it during the build period, I’m surprised their builds worked so well with so little plane-ing

[@60NineK]

I think the reason your rockets were missing and Yzuei were not was the shape of the paths you were taking, his was always curving and the rockets would shoot where he could have been had he gone straight, and you were keeping straight mostly. Either way GG

[@thanasisrallis7473]

What if you have a dog fight but with planes that look like dogs ( please make it so that the tail is the vertical stabilizer)

[@okamiexe1501]

Looks like Star citizen the way you guys are fighting and maneuvering lol

[@Mazapine]

Redo the EMP fight higher up so you actually have a chance for recovery, it would take 2-3 successful hits in a row to make them crash. Or you could fly near some of the mountains on the Airborne map or use the High Seas map for an extra challenge. I do really want to see some challenges on the high seas, it's almost never seen

[@steeljawX]

The High Seas map is a bit tricky since wind is added into the equation. It's not a factor in every other map, but suddenly it's basically the thing that makes or breaks an entire round. And the fact that the wind isn't as consistent in every part of the map makes it a bit difficult to have a fair contest in the High Seas. I totally agree that more challenges on the High Seas would be cool, but it's just that forced weather factor that makes it difficult to have a relatively fair contest.

[@Skolkostoitsamolet]

That's one way to say "a rocket". From the authors of "hairless monkey".

[@wendybrockman127]

i like how they had the same ideas but one looks cooler

[@dylanmccullough8153]

Your ship reminds me of little Einstein that old kids show

[@Xmar4]

I still love that Yzui calls him Scrap

[@ziiziiilyxc3158]

perhaps it's because you are at a slower enough speed after a maneuver that make you a easier target for both predicting flightpath and landing a shot.

[@My_cat_is_so_cute]

Since y’all are so used to having a maximum of blocks y’all should have a minimum of blocks (Ex: build a plane with a minimum of 500 blocks and 30 power cores

[@minigunth]

(1 hour after this video is published) " WHO NEEDS WINGS" -captain ming lee 🥶🥶🥶

[@RobertJackson-vc9rk]

I have an idea for you guys, a dogfight with flying wings, basically a plane without a fuselage and is nothing but wings.

[@presidentmichael3349]

Here's a thought. Are the force fields tangible? Could you see if they could be shaped as holographic wings maybe? I figure if you could build a wingless plane that barely doesn't fly and then with force field enabled and shaped to act as wings will the plane have more lift?

[@TheWormOfJakes]

You should do something where you only make a 50 block creation and then add 5-10 extra blocks

[@IsaacSavard-pv2yk]

Do a dogfight with rockets only but you have 10 minutes to add more every round

[@miniaturepainterAl]

2 people hover tanks with 3 teams on doon in the space map would be awesome

[@blackoak4978]

So Scrapman doesn't do well piloting a shuttle craft, good to know

[@gjs9871]

As tower vs planes, but the Ada tower has shields and blasters. Could even be 2v2

[@Big_B1020]

part two? i think if they had an "improvement round" in between rounds where they add more stuff to make the dogfights more interesting.

[@limbomask4745]

The Plutonian would be a good fit

[@Vaprol.]

Remember the evolution series SM did a while ago? What if they did that with the new ideas and blocks we have to use now?

[@fiandrimjg3304]

Yzuei is always create a coolest design. keep up the good work bro

[@JoshuaGanoTyraxLightning]

It's a shame LittleCornDogs missed out on this one... I bet he'd love to try out making a Wingless Flying Corndog. :P The Chirpo Info keeps claiming Quantum Rudders never wanna be oriented sideways... are they really unable to do anything except add Drag in that orientation...? Curiosity: Do Quantum Rudders work underwater...? Hard not to wonder if Subs could do anything with'em...

[@I-like-pasta]

I think battlebots with bugs might be fun

[@lordshaitan]

Revisit Hovertanks with the new gyros, engines, and shields. However no hover block allowed.

[@magnaveradaboi]

Finally. I've been suggesting this for ages.

[@SzymonSocha-d4u]

yzuei's "plane" looks like the spacefighters from the Orvile tbh

[@Maximusthemax6]

Planeless wings please

[@B.A.N.Z.F]

*JUST WINGS*

[@menphisjulien7256]

idk why you didnt use the space thrusters they are way smaller then dragon jets and you can fit 500 power in the same space as a dragon jet

[@menphisjulien7256]

i guess the block limit bur other then that they are just way more cost effective