Can an Aircraft Lift the HEAVIEST WEIGHT In Trailmakers?

[@ShadowWolf2508plays]

Imagine if trailmakers had the same impact shockwave physics as instruments of destruction

[@Vroome942]

Lol earthquake generator

[@typowynieogar]

@@Vroome942 1:39 - scrapman flying at mach 5

[@ChaosSammakko]

Ooooh

[@Echo_the_half_glitch]

The moment the giant weight left build mode the whole world would shake

[@Crazyclay78YT]

that would be horrible unless you set a specific threshold

[@Dhaiwon]

On thought that struck me at the end was that the number of engines was for vertical lift. I wonder how many fewer engines you could have gotten away with by having more wings at the end :)

[@kacperkonieczny7333]

Also making the vehicle more aerodynamic. More speed = more lift

[@quakxy_dukx]

@@kacperkonieczny7333since the weight is a separate creation, it’s aerodynamics would be calculated separately so there’s not much point in making the carrier aerodynamic when it’s lugging around such a thing

[@edopronk1303]

I was thinking the same.

[@garymerfdudegui9452]

Alright time to go the speed of sound with the heaviest block in trailmakers

[@sohaib_t]

Honestly I miss the historically accurate builds thing , when he used to build things that got built before irl I hope he does more of that

[@booogagaming5223]

He probably got bored of it, it restricted creativity a lot.

[@sohaib_t]

​​@@booogagaming5223i guess so but it was really cool and quite enjoyable, I get how it can be boring / irritating tho With the space update tho it could be quite amazing too , it would be really cool if he built real spaceships and stuff

[@matejnentwich1376]

He does it from time to time.... Its fine to do... But Its really hard to find interesting vehicles.

[@Agostonhal]

No.

[@TankWish-gx6xy]

It restricts creativity

[@fuery.]

If I saw that flying around in a server, I would be terrified - before being humored by its pure function and ENTIRE lack of form

[@j.s.2744]

Multiplayer idea: Who can lift the most crates at once using a cargo build that looks realistic but also functional without breaking ONE block.

[@Goat_gamering]

If I break 2 blocks within the same impact I never broke a single block.

[@j.s.2744]

@feketenorbert9421 clever, but you broke two one blocks :)

[@19future91]

I think if u use more anchor blocks to secure the cargo it will be way more sturdy

[@stevepittman3770]

I thought the same thing, but I haven't tested it myself.

[@Omgbbqhaxlolol]

@@stevepittman3770 i've done ~similar~ testing for anchors, they each have their own individual attachment force, i used em to balance vehicles, and noticed that if it was too heavy one of the anchors would pull away from the ground, and when i added another, it made that weight threshold much higher. Of course this was long ago, before even the high seas update, so the physics may have changed since then.

[@FlyingNoodle554]

I think the different anchor blocks would actually clash with each other and not allow for movement due to trailmakers not having 100% static connections as well as a bit of glitchyness and it would end up self destructing

[@Loop_Kat]

@@Omgbbqhaxlolol That's actually something of a general rule with Trailmakers, the more attachment points a block has, the more stable/sturdy it becomes. Standard blocks become harder to break off (it doesn't increase their health, it just makes the joint strength stronger) and mechanical blocks can bear more weight and more extreme forces For example, if you have a bunch of weight on one steering hinge, it'll probably wobble all over the place, but adding more hinges to the same flex point will make it stronger. Or, if you have a wheel that's only supported by one suspension block, it'll be much more prone to bottoming out or snapping off compared to a wheel that's supported by two or more suspension blocks. And, so on and so forth

[@mihalydozsa2254]

Now that you have this weight you could try to build a tractor pulling competition with the guys :-D

[@bbittercoffee]

Probably reduce it a bit so the game doesn't instantly break, it's barely holding on with a single block on singleplayer, pair that with multiplayer and things will definitely get weird quick

[@manuelredgrave8348]

Build a walker mech that has to carry it up the mountain The Sisyphus challenge

[@silksongoutyet]

@@manuelredgrave8348 a visitor?

[@CAN-025]

you'll need more than a tractor to pull that thing.

[@CAN-025]

​@@bbittercoffeeidk traimakers physics but can the block stay the same but they can take turns in pulling it to see who has the faster time

[@Circle9ru]

ok, the problem here is that ScrapMan tested how much engines give enough lift if they oriented verticaly, then he put them horizontaly and add wings. but for that new concept the source of lift are not thrusters, its wings. to make it work properly you could either leave it be vertical with additional thrusters to move side to side, or cut off some engines and add more wings if you want it be horizontal. tbh, you just lucky it evenr worked.

[@adriansrealm]

He said it before, he's not an engineer.

[@Circle9ru]

@@adriansrealm, well, im not an enginer too

[@Joe-d2c9f]

@@Circle9ru , well, I’m not an engineer either*

[@truetabbycat123]

There's an interesting effect that you experienced here; with really complex creations, you can interact with them in build mode. Shooting and damaging parts, for example. You can't destroy anything until the creation spawns in though. It's a really strange effect, as the creation will be mostly untouchable, but sometimes a bullet or rocket or other creation will collide.

[@zeck7775]

This might not be in the spirit of the challenge, but - tons of gimble jets - electromagnet - a couple dragon jets for steering I think that could work.

[@The_Soul_King]

I just woke up, it's 1PM, and you release a video, what an amazing timing

[@Poldovico]

I was thinking a plane should be able to lift it with many fewer engines, because you get lift from the wings. Stalling is a thing after all, you can't just fly a plane straight upwards.

[@MrToastyBuns]

Technically you can with VTOL. What if he revisits this and makes a tilt rotor (tilt jet I guess) 🤔

[@Poldovico]

@@MrToastyBuns But don't VTOL planes require severely oversized engines compared to horizontal takeoff?

[@SirPhoenixTheDon]

Also another idea. A vehicle that can pick up barrels and use them as a projectile for a railgun in a multi-player battle.

[@Skycaptain124]

random idea i had when i clicked on the video: 2v2 air battles, each person builds half a plane and they get linked with anchor blocks, or however it needs to be done. Whether it's left v right or front v back would be up to you guys, but each person has to control their half the plane.

[@TheRealHoltzy]

If you're going to put flaps at the leading edges, you'll need to flip them around as you'll want to create a pringle shape in the wing's profile, causing the air to push the front of the wings upwards as the trailing edge flaps push the back of the wing down. Many of my builds take advantage of these reverse flap physics to create lift in wings with inadequate lift

[@beaclaster]

i call it: the flying shovel effect if something is v shaped moving at --> direction aerodynamics will rotate it into >

[@EpsilonRosePersonal]

When you started this video and mentioned mathing it out, I decided to try mathing the entire thing out, based on just the weights and the power of the engines. This ran into some interesting hurdles and produced some interesting results. The biggest hurdle was the fact that we have units for the weight of parts, but not the power, and it's not entirely clear what that stat actually measures (at least not to me). I ended up assuming that it's really measuring force and that it's doing so in Newtons, which seemed to be mostly supported by my own testing. The thing is, if the force is rated in Newtons, then the strength gravity in Trail Makers is NOWHERE near what it is on Earth. After some more testing, I got a value of ~2.8011m/sec^2. If that value is correct, then you would have need between 143 and 144 engines to exactly lift the weight (the balance point falls between those two numbers). With all of that said, I'd be kind-of curious to see you revisit this challenge, but with a horizontal takeoff in mind from the beginning. With a plane, most of your upwards force should be coming from the wings, while the engines should mostly provide horizontal force, meaning you should need far fewer of them and with fewer engines you'd have more room to add aerodynamic components that might let you reduce the engine count even further. So, that raises the question: How small can you make a plane that lifts the heaviest object in Trail Makers?

[@ttplays2483]

( a joke )

[@ApotheosisStone]

Not a crazy idea but I would love to see more stuff with balloons. Even retrying this challenge with them or that biggest explosiv one. If you need something silly as inspiration there is the rockoon (a balloon rocket combo) or that cargo airship thing from the recent veritasium video. Maybe even a challenge to lift and transport different objects like the heaviest weight, the heaviest explosive, and some other objects like a plane, a rocket, and bombs.

[@HenningWeitz]

I would like to see a battle of maximum complexity aircrafts

[@ewancoppens3193]

ngl Trailmakers is my favorite format

[@ajhflatline2011]

You should try to make a "Weeble" from the old commercials. "Weebles wobble but they don't fall down"

[@clayre839]

Given the redundancy I'd love to see it in a 2 v 1 dogfight survival

[@Dak498]

When the aircraft was attached to the ground with the anchor block, it was trying to lift the aircraft carrier. That's a lot more heavy than the weight-block weight, so heavy you can't move it at all!

[@Chargerburn]

7:34 trail makers physics at their finest

[@papichulo9684]

It would be awesome to see a timer in the corner just so we know how long it actually takes to build these creations.

[@MyCoolStrawSir]

Dude the amount of hours you must have Put into this. CONGRATS Edit: This should be the premise for multiplayer Monday

[@gloriouslumi]

It seems to me like the anchors are just the same code as the magnets, but with the force dialed up and made to register with all collision objects, not just ones magnets affect. They either didn't think someone would try using anchors one the most massive weight, or the physics system breaks when too much attraction force is applied to non-movable objects (like the ground or other map structures).

[@rccookie6202]

The problem is not infinitely heavy objects (like the ground), but very light objects. If the force is too high, it can start overcorrecting (particularly because other forces are involved) and cause oscillating and ultimately an explosion

[@calelsun]

I wish it had a similar campaign survival mode as scrap mechanic. Can make some really impressive trap mechanisms in this game. Would be cool if we were able to somehow make it so we can convert groups into one collective piece to lighten the load on the game and their complexity limit. Like if I could take 20 4×8s to make a huge brick and save it as one large brick that breaks as one collective piece if it does. That way I could potentially make a true to scale helicarrier from Avengers

[@ZTRCTGuy]

The reason why sideways taking off didn't work is because you're now dependant on the wings for creating lift which you didnt calculate instead of the jet engines which you did calculate. During flight you had to keep it's ''nose'' up all the time so the jet engines would push (partially) upward instead of sideways. The only way it would work.

[@TastyMcCookies]

I'm kinda stunned by the fact that he was able to fly with a 20° aoa and not stall out. (He needed that angle of attack to stay in the air but still, the drag must be crazy.)

[@thibault_4705]

"It tried so hard and it didn't get far at all" at 12:06 I see what you did there ;) *linkin park intensifies*

[@thehourglasswithaman]

For multiplayer Monday you should build/race planes but flip the thrust so you’re flying the plane backwards

[@rltt379]

I feel like making the object longer and slimmer would help with aerodynamics and using more lift and less thrust might work better. and of course multiple ancors. Since this was just proof of concept, it works, but improving on it could be enough for a multiplayer challenge (at like half the block limit and weight) for performance

[@DaveMS_]

Dude that was awsome but you could have just built a lifter. Like, not an elevator, a vehicle that uses the jover pad glitch like when you make a tower of them facing down on each other and gravity just stops existing in that axis

[@stevenandres9824]

You should consider using more than one anchor block / magnet / tractor beam in your creations. It might add stability.

[@Delilah_the_dragon]

Honestly that's exactly what I was thinking.

[@musdred]

i think that for your thrust testing rig you should've put a spaceship cockpit as a placeholder for both the seat(it's also symmetrical), and the weight because it is 50kg

[@Jakubboss99]

it would take around 500 gimbal jets (at full power) to make 35000 kg have zero gravity, (one gimbal jet can lift itself and 70 extra kg just enough to make it have zero gravity) (to find out how many gimbal jets you need to make something zero gravity, you divide the weight by 70)

[@zombcrusher666]

Hey Scrapman, how about another 2v2 planes vs car, but attached to the car is a trailer with an anti air gun on top of it? (This was the first thing that came to my mind when i saw the trailer hinge being a thing, but i've never seen it beeing used before) It could be another time based battle (which team survives longer as the car) and it's only over when both are destroyed. Could be fun when the trailer is disconnected.

[@Goat_gamering]

I have had a kinda similar idea recently: Weapons can only be on a trailer/smaller, attached vehicle

[@Dracosaur07]

Need to try this one again with the new space thruster

[@kivosyk9504]

I highly reccomend you to play astroneer. also, why did you forgot about this gme for years? you've already played it, but it updated a lot

[@nanodude05]

If you want a creation to not crush something when you spawn it in, drag another block out into build mode and click OK to spawn in with detached blocks. If there is only one structure, it will try to snap to ground when spawned in

[@That0neGuy747]

I would like to see if it's possible to lift that massive weight with either a blimp using the balloon blocks.

[@CubeFilmy31]

6:49 I LAUGHED SO HARD

[@Unheeding]

15:50 , the silence from scrapman says it all

[@ScubaMiner25]

!! MM Spin-off Idea !! To max you’re Multiplayer Monday brainstorming with da lads. Right to the good stuff: Multiple round of picking up a weight block, the block getting increasingly more heavy, see who is the stronger one to pick it up. (Evolution of your own craft to make it better, MUST BE A VEHICLE aka, nothing that just attaches to the block. Magnets and anchor blocks are not allowed) (Power core limit and whatever else you need, but each round of evolution it increases) Or if you can think of a way to flip that into scrap mechanic, would be neat. Love da video Scrap!

[@arnelilleseter4755]

You don't need that many engines for the plane. You only need to build up enough speed for the wings to carry the weight. In theory you could do it with one engine if you had enough wings.

[@Jakubboss99]

you do need that many engines, try make a very heavy plane, slap a lot of wings on it and one engine, will it fly? no. the engine doesnt have enough power to get the plane going fast enough to generate the lift it needs (you also need the engines to get the speed)

[@arnelilleseter4755]

@@Jakubboss99 You don't need the same amount of engines on a plane as you would if you tried to lift the same weight straight up. True you need enough power to overcome the inertia. But with enough wings you will generate lift at very low speed.

[@jonathanpowell9979]

@@Jakubboss99 If you started in the air it might fly if the amount of thrust is more than the amount of aerodynamic drag. One engine and a lot of wings more than likely be a just a glider

[@donte10111]

You need to at least meet the speed required to move the mass of the plane before you even think of generating lift. Then you need to be able to hit the minimum speed required to activate your lift. Although adding wings will reduce the amount of speed needed to gain lift its also both weight and drag for your engines to fight which reduces overall preformance. Speed is your friend, drag is your enemy. It's more effective if you tackle whats there, than to add to an already heavy aircraft. For instance he used the lowest thrust to weight engine, has abysmal aero and is still flying. He only needs to swap them out for high thrust to weight engines like the new propellers and he would instantly improve both thrust to weight and give him 3x or 4x more room to reduce the aerodynamic drag on the airframe meeting the speed required for the wings instead of hindering performance with extra wings He honestly made it pretty God damn hard on himself, it's impressive seeing it even fly

[@Luziferne]

If you look closely... you can see that the bottom most layer of weights are pressed below ground by the combined weight

[@buckduane1991]

I’ve had a bug lately looking back at “Crimson Skies”. Air Pirates. They would drop fighters from a zeppelin and recover them by catching a hook. My favorite plane was the Hughes P21-J Devastator, a twin counter-rotating propeller pusher plane (engine in back) with “X-Wings” semi-based on the real life P-55 Ascender. Could you and Yuzzei (sorry if autoINcorrect butchers his name) use that style of hook recovery from “Crimson Skies” as a challenge, like your recent “land on a flying plane” and similar challenges, in some way? The way the “Pandora” recovered the Devastators? Or use the P-55 concept in a “push propeller plane” dogfight challenge? Or even a push-pull concept like the Dornier Do 335 just to see what kind of unique aircraft y’all might come up with?

[@kholdanstaalstorm6881]

Please repeat with a dedicated cargo plane, so many unnecessary blocks used for structural support that could be used for aerodynamic lift. With an aerodynamic wedge in the front that can reduce the drag of the weight block, engines placed on the aerodynamic structure and a more plane like layout hopefully will change the outcome. Maybe a better landing gear setup could handle a landing under better control? Another suggestion is the heaviest guided missile, an outside line of sight bunker buster?

[@gamerking0993]

Tbh i feel like helicopter forces and a few jets strapped to a build that's based off the skylift could hace lifted it with ease

[@DanielMether]

It may not literally be the heaviest, but it certainly is the densest

[@OnyxBMW]

So, what if you took the heaviest weight in the game and made it supersonic by any means?

[@SirPhoenixTheDon]

Hey I have an idea. A video where you revisit your fails and try the suggestions from the comments. Like for this one, turn some of the turbine engines upwards for more lift. If possible, lower the wings 1 row, and have some or all of those thrusters above the wings facing upwards. Lift was the problem. You don't need much for forward momentum.

[@snugg1escat676]

i would love to have seen you drop it on something

[@rarnaldo5534]

I want to see a race with the heaviest object. This race will be a pair, one build the stirring or trust, the other build a support(for flight and defense) and has a one small smart gun

[@_HRIVA_]

the music rly adds to the atmosphere

[@stevepittman3770]

Wow, that's pretty impressive. I think the only way to improve it is to make the weight out of dynamite instead and then drop it as a bomb.

[@Goat_gamering]

This is a joke right?

[@cattraccoon]

Space Engineers is game very much community focused so if any scrapfans post anything you are able to use it, such as planets, ships, mods, rovers, and even entire gameplay features are with mods since you're on PC. Elite Dangerous has a lot of good space features that are very easily added to Space Engineers. Even without additions or even all the DLC; The game is really fun.

[@ex13sgames25]

It might’ve made the aerodynamics worse, but better complexity if you moved some of the thrusters into the middle. Could’ve maybe also moved the anchor further into the build

[@alphaskullcralwer5261]

thats the real flying barrel lol

[@thesleepingone]

Idea. Make a third creation that’s a nose cone. lower the weight into the thrusters in the vertical position. Then attach the third creation. Artificial rocket. I liked that it aligned it. Might be able to use that to make multiple creation vehicles you snap together.

[@animalmango6499]

SPOILERS: If the music is dramatic he's about to do it. Props to the editor.

[@OmipleMiles]

Concept, Making a plane with a big hole in the middle and let a plane fly through it.

[@peluwuca7119]

What if you make a fight with a vehicle that has thrusters on the bottom that makes the vehicle go upwards but the vehicles are covered by shiels or heavy blocks so they cannot fly unless they're taking out. The first to start flying loses.

[@doomkat3282]

If you used raw jets for the weights, the complexity would be an issue

[@Hyper_Fox06]

"I pick things up and I put them down" design motto Surprisingly not that heavy once i converted it to Tons 38.58 tons so just under what the Type VIII WWI tank weighted (tank from India Jones and tbe last crusade*) *"Tank" in movie was a replica mock-up made from an excavator)

[@sksofficial5908]

i wouldve been here sooner but i was watching a biker escort an abulance through traffic.... good man he was

[@beamngdrifting9994]

What about a huge heli, like the Sikorsky skylifter?

[@vladimirputin3426]

hey scrapman! the airliner engines were good in terms of power per item, but I think they had bad power:weight and power:size ratios. perhaps using space thrusters would've turned out better results? also, instead of building super tall and leaving the craft hollow, filling the internals with an engine would've possibly given better results as less support material would've been needed.

[@notthatbad42]

Idea! Aircraft carrier battle: 2V2 or 3V3 Everyone builds a vehicle, 1carrier and 1-2planes per team, the goal is to destroy the enemy carrier, the planes can respawn infinitely and have to take off from the carrier. The planes should have guns/rockets to fight enemy planes, but can only use torpedoes and guns against the carriers,(rockets and bombs would be too easy) so the carrier also has to dodge the torpedoes while letting the planes take off. I hope you like my idea! P.S. ideally with scrapman. I think there would only be time for 1maybe 2 rounds in a video, but there would be so much action!

[@jensonburrell7493]

Incredibly early does the goat repsond?

[@hargunsinghartist]

He will and he will have to

[@jonathanfields283]

The “in the end” lyrics at 12:08 are great

[@GrumpyToast8424]

You and Yzuei should do another race island video but with planes, and you can only use one small propeller.

[@trueNahobino]

Now time to do a multiplayer battle with this where one person is flying the 35000kg plane and the others are shooting it? KInda like the cargo plane video but the plane is way heavier!

[@akaraven66]

When you said you wanted to land all I could think was "Nah those trolley wheels can't hold a 40 tonne object".

[@mearesnygg9136]

Another multiplayer idea, instead of having a max block limit, you have a minimum block limit, so you have to make a bigger car

[@wyvide]

Crain with offset weight and a pistons to drive it. Think of a lever, it has one short side with 2 kilos and a longer side with 4, it would stay level. I used a magnet and anchored it to the ground when I lifted the max weight.

[@SoniaDiaz-e5p]

I honestly really wanna see a mech battle on multiplayer monday just 1 person walks around and 1 person controls the guns. It would be amazing to see that

[@zaxseer]

Looks like a kite lol 14:20

[@MoldyBread_YT]

Fr looks like box kite

[@Luminneer]

For multi-player Monday you should play trailmakers but you all make historical failure vehicals and then battle them just an idea

[@TheBSprince]

Video idea: do a multiplayer air battle but everyone must make a plane that Carries the heaviest weight during combat. If that’s too hard. You could have one freight plane and the rest be fighters.

[@Thobeka-lv8jb]

You and yuzei should do a challenge trying to make the most functional plane with max complexity

[@beardbird8]

I just had i great idea: make a muli creation, make two massive creations that combine together

[@Zane12ai]

Trailmakers challenge Plane wreck. Pick a highly complex plane -take 5 chunks of 10-20 parts off -build a smaller plane from those chunks with a 100 block limit -you have 10 blocks of your own for functionality -dogfight.

[@SirNobleIZH]

Scrapman, have a heli lift challenge where each round adds more and more weight and the winner is determined by who can fly the heaviest load from the carrier to the center spawnpoint

[@anthonyplacek9703]

Can you not just make a plane, but a trebuchet or something? Imagine this being used as a wrecking ball.

[@Khan-pr7rt]

I got an idea for multiplayer, How about a plane or helicopter fight, but every non-fonctional blocks (wings, guns, seat, etc) is a heavy weight block, it would probably be fun or at least not easy to fly

[@WilliamTheNerdyweds]

You should focus more on the amount of thrust needed to move the object to a given speed and use the massive amount of wasted complexity on lift and aerodynamics.

[@das_tommy]

Haha thanks for the video also funny that a couple of pistons are able to lift 35 tons of weight but you need a ton of thrusters moving it xD

[@troyyates9308]

What if you did a race with a plane in a plane in a plane and at certain spots in the race you have to lose a layer of plane and fly with a smaller plane

[@QuazarCG_Studio]

Hey this is neat! I like like maxed out challenges

[@mikevillasenor8429]

It’s nice that they added CaseOh to Trailmakers

[@JoshuaGanoTyraxLightning]

Managing to actually Plane with all that weight was epic... but I can't help but to wonder if it woulda been both more practical and usable to have punted the Wings off, use more of the inner space to hold Jet Engines (Ya only needed enough Inner Space to hold the Super Weight then remaining space coulda been spent on usage for the Lifter.) then the Creation didn't need to be so tall so CoM woulda been more finanglable, and keep the Weight on the bottom while ya used VTOL for control. As an added bonus this coulda theoretically enabled adding Detachable Blocks between the Anchor Pins and Body so ya coulda weaponized the Super Weight... >:D Also, the way the Super Weight was wobbling around on the Anchor Pin... makes one wonder if the way the Anchor Pin actually worked all this time was a lie... could it be, they have been cheaters all this time and actually used Magnet/Tractor Beam Code and perhaps simply had their 'attraction power' set stupid high so they'd never be movable with even heavy weight and it took insane weight to expose their true colors...? This could become quite the Scandal... :O ... if we ever even bothered to deign to care about the Anchor Pin coding shenanigans. :P

[@travt3975]

Do this same video but as glider with a proper aerodynamics! 😊

[@ChaoSJino]

Great success! Now's the time to release a cover of Gojira's "The Heaviest Matter Of The Universe". :D

[@postscript1561]

I am surprised Scrap didn't try re-shaping the weight at all.

[@TinaGloria2012]

I think you would like cross out. They just got new flying items in. You can make helicopters and such.

[@Countrydumpkin]

A dogfight with trains sounds really fun

[@doubledecker1113]

multiplayer monday challenge idea, 2v2 person builds a cargo plane that actually has a payload (could be something like a bunch of blocks or a mini plane, whatever you want) the other person builds an attack plane, and you have to deliver it by dropping it onto a set target without letting it take to much damage in the process

[@m.h.6470]

The 154 was already a miscalculation. If you need 2 for 9, you need 155.5 meaning 156 just for the weights (so already 2 more). And on top of that, you need lift for the structure, that the engines are attached to... So 160 is already cutting in close.

[@Obaker30]

in experimenting in this you managed to make quantum-entangled pistons in trailmakers