DEAD ON ARRIVAL - Why This INCREDIBLE WARGAME Died On Release

[@Cavatore]

This video is awesome! Thank you so much for this... We must find a way to resurrect this game in some shape or form... maybe I'll send an agent back in time to change the licensing deal! 😉

[@MSPaints]

You know where to find me when you secure the full license, my man!

[@BarryStentiford]

I actually bought the game this week off the back of this video - Also got the rulebook too. I've never played a Wargame before, but my son and I love the Terminator concept and this looks like fun. Also @ms_paints - thanks for all the vids - only just found the channel but love the content :-)

[@j453]

They turned John Connor into a Terminator... AND THEY REVEALED IT IN THE TRAILER. That made it fail, right there.

[@Dale_Groves]

You have a skill of making really engaging content even around topics of no interest to me 😂 keep up the amazing work Dave.

[@thomasgrable1746]

Leading Edge had the rights to Terminator minis back in the Nineties. Also Dracula, based on the Gary Oldman film.

[@MSPaints]

Oh wow. Gary Oldman Dracula minis. This I have to see.

[@duppyman9025]

"I need your cloths, your boots, your motorcycle and your miniature game"

[@youareivan]

alessio cavatore also designed kings of war by mantic games. he is a genius in many ways, but especially at distilling down complexity into straight forward rules so his games are quick and easy to play without sacrificing strategy. i also really enjoyed your video.

[@leon12897]

You should then check Conquest the Last Argument of Kings ;)

[@minimalbard6498]

Someone else said it here already, but you’re great at dragging me out of my narrow youtube video types, slapping me across the face and saying “you’re interested in all this other stuff too!”. Cheers

[@heckinmemes6430]

"All of your temporal missions involve smashing legs with that bat." "Hey, I do as the bat commands."

[@vee_tinymoose]

Loved the video. You’re also the only channel that I ever actually watch the ads instead skipping through. Well done on making them worth watching!

[@ad-mc]

"What's up my movers and shakers" brings a smile to my face every single time.

[@Verdigris04]

As both a movie trivia nerd and a GW games history nerd, I appreciated the bits of history about both Roger Corman and Alessio Cavatore.

[@MSPaints]

I enjoyed reading and talking about them! Thanks

[@kerel995]

You are a star. Editing, script, narration, humor, precision of thought and words, storytelling of this video are on very high level.

[@redcoat259]

Way to go Dave! Another brilliant vid with HUGE production value 👍

[@MSPaints]

Shot on a friends camera! Meant everything took twice as long but it does look pretty! Cheers hun!

[@MasterShake9000]

“Come with me if you want to subscribe” 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

[@Disc147]

Those first two movies handful of minutes on the future battlefields is cooler than the entire combined runtime of terminator salvation, genesys and dark fate. If the society collapse ever befalls us (I hope it doesn't but you never know) I hope it has an 80's aesthetic. Thanks for sharing this game big man.

[@scannerbarkly]

I love when tie in games like that turn out to be really good fun.

[@philipjackson1589]

Love this vid Dave. Really nice review of a none G.W game. Please do more of these. It gives everyone an insight into whether to invest into one of these games or not.

[@sachiel4736]

Great video mate. I bought two copies of the base game when Warlord Games were having their warehouse clearance after the license to produce was stopped for River Horse. I think the original RRP was £80 a box or something and I picked them up for £10 each. Never saw Rise of the Resistance though...

[@holdthedoor8130]

You've got me burnin' you've got me burnin'

[@MSPaints]

INNA THAAAAAAARD DAAAAAAAARGREEEEEE HEEEEEEE!

[@Piemasteratron]

Love me some Tryanglz

[@hooliganblack832]

This is a great game that's easily overlooked. You can supplement your Resistance from all sorts of sources, but I'd suggest that the Project Z miniatures from Warlord and the Mars Attacks minis from Mantic scale quite well with the slightly smaller scale. I managed to pick up a dirt cheap Abrams tank model from eBay and any number of 1/56 models are available. In addition to the boardgame miniatures to supplement Skynet, there are slightly more pricey die-cast models out there. However, a T-800 infiltrator is an easy conversion to do by combining a resistance fighter and an endoskeleton, and a T-1000 can be made by putting silver bullet holes in pretty much any model.

[@Piemasteratron]

yeah I got all the project z minis to supplement my resistance. Since the resistance frame is so small you really need plenty of head swaps, different bodies and weapons to make them look any good

[@RoseKindred]

Wow, I never knew about this game. After watching the rules I wanna play it.

[@ThatThereWesty]

“Get off your Lilly pad and go do a fucking risk assessment or something”… heroic.

[@waynesolo]

I have watched this video so many times. I absolutely love it. You talked me into it. I bought it recently and I've been playing it with my son. So much fun!! Thanks Dave. I'm going to have a friend make me a Hunter Killer to beef up the Machine side.

[@iceniwargames6347]

Great video, great game. Only downside is you probably just caused the ebay prices to go up!

[@MSPaints]

Also noticed there’s about 3 times as many listings on there compared to before the video went up haha. At least we can actually SEE how expensive the expansions are now.

[@Piemasteratron]

I've been building & painting this game for about 2.5 years now. I got deep into Project Z (also defunct but now re-printed) survivor minis to bulk up my human forces. And yeah, the rules are pretty rad. I like this game. Hope to play a proper campaign some day

[@patrickstuart3497]

One side just not taking cover is fucking brilliant

[@johnfarscape]

My favourite thing to do with the game was the time travel element, it's fun playing in the future with pulse rifles etc but I was trying to stop a T800 in the 1980s with shotguns and uzis that made me love it, the vehicle rules were also great, honestly can't fault it.

[@desslaven7935]

I love this game! So great to see someone covering it. Pro tip for you and anyone else wanting to recreate the future war scenes from the first 2 movies - NECA released a line of cinemachines Hunter Killers (both the tank and aerial variant) that are almost perfectly scaled for this game. They can be pricey sadly (about £50 or so) but I love using mine as they add so much to the feel of the T1/T2 era battles I like to recreate!

[@chrishughes1376]

I remember falling in love with the rules to this game and then being unable to get any of my regular gaming crew interested. Still have a load of it in my cupboard. You may have inspired me to paint up Pops with Teddy Bear finally! :P

[@Nigelius]

5/10 on the intro, Dave wasn’t naked when he teleported. Great video as usual.

[@MiniatureMasterClass]

Jim Cameron told me you can only time travel if you are naked.

[@MSPaints]

Jim Cameron also told me he’d make 6 avatar movies before he died.

[@GoldenRogueMinis]

Great vid dude, awesome cinematography as always. Was great to meet you today to!!

[@MSPaints]

You too mate! Hopefully bump into you again down the line!

[@症不眠]

I am really digging those intros ad of late. Not mentioning the production and the hours and work that got into this video

[@MSPaints]

Tooooo many hours! Decision to use a new camera for the first time was a bad choice haha

[@rosspalmer5171]

Totally sold! I'll be looking out for this, and I can already see necron and Imperial guard bits for proxies for additional Big T's and Human Fodder in my bitzbox. Cheers Dave, another great vid. 👍

[@nubbetudde8922]

The miniature designers of this game is also legendary. This will either make the models fabulous or fabulously weird.

[@ΙωάννηςΜπουντούρης]

Absolutely stunning video. I was taken by surprise that you will present the wargame. Of course, I own both games that you present here. Side note rise of the machines board game is actually pretty good dungeon crawl game, maybe a future presentation of this game also? Anyway, I feel a bit let down by the lack of support for this game as vehicles and game boards could make a solid future alternative wargame to 40k. Also, I personally find it difficult to discover stls for 3d printing except the spider tank on thingiverse. If anyone has any suggestions for 3d printing models I would be more than happy to expand this gem with new figures. Congratulations for this video, although I have watched many videos from you this particular one put a smile on my face, thank you for your content keep creating them.

[@1337r0yj3nk1nz]

This immediately reminded me of the fact there was a starship troopers war game. I've seen a few of the arachnid pieces up close and they're real detailed for being like early 00s. Big shocker though, they're out of print and just as expensive as you'd think, mostly due to the fact that everyone wants them for nid proxies.

[@evanlindsey1100]

There's some 3d printable minis available based on the movie. They aren't that hard to find.

[@1337r0yj3nk1nz]

@@evanlindsey1100 Yeah, but they're not quite the same y'know?

[@evanlindsey1100]

@@1337r0yj3nk1nz I missed out on that game, so those 3d printed files work for me.

[@Mikey__R]

The first Squarespace add I DIDN'T ffwd through! Tony, you're a legend.

[@MSPaints]

Ay tanks buddy yer not so bad yerself

[@bopaintsminis]

Ciminally underrated content. The production values are pro. Ten out of ten.

[@MSPaints]

Thank you!

[@bopaintsminis]

@@MSPaints You should have ten times the sunscribers you have. That's not simping.

[@MSPaints]

@@bopaintsminis it’s all good! I do niche things, I don’t pretend to know everything, I look like a hippy and I’m semi crippled. I’m doing well considering haha!

[@gsmith1135]

Glad you mentioned this. Its one of our fun games to get all Terminator-ie!

[@leonleese4919]

You are right! Also with simple modification it would work with almost any period where there is a vast disparity between armies. Brilliant!

[@philgee486]

Bought an ebay mixed lot years ago to get the lotr orc army in it. There were two original box sets of this, some wild west exodus models and a bolt action starter in there too. Recently painted a bunch of resistance for my son to use to play fallout wasteland warfare as one of the military surviving factions, and used the terminators as the evil android faction - for which they looked way more badass than the official models. Got a few of the metal models too, including some cops, a couple of arnies and a T-1000 Starting to look like a lucky haul, I'll dig the rules out!

[@Piemasteratron]

Using them for Fallout is a great idea!

[@filamentio]

Great video! The effects are awesome! As for the game, that sounds really interesting. Above all, I think the aspect that both factions play differently is great!

[@oldschoolfrp2326]

Fantastic production, lighting, atmosphere, special effects

[@jaytee3893]

Great vid! It's great to watch something like this that just sincerely shares how cool a not-commonly known thing is without being sponsored or 'gifted'. Keep up the good work 💪😎

[@MSPaints]

Only honest plugs are for dead products!

[@CampaignTerrain]

Welp, now there are 8,530 people looking for this game 😆 Great vid, Dave

[@MSPaints]

Hahaha, I just ruined the eBay economy around this game. Warlord will want to get a sequel made.

[@Pengi_SMILES]

You are spot on about this game. The rules are much better than it has any right to be. I was lucky to buy it when they were dumping them (I think it was a tenner). And always meant to add to it with other minis (iirc it has rules for A1 Abrams tanks etc) I should do something with it really!

[@SomeDudeOnYouTube]

"He's dead Jim" - "But at least he was great. Two to beam up Scotty"

[@asowle]

Always wanted a spider tank.....but i have the game all painted, maybe one day i play it...giggles, had it years...

[@oldex6564]

Great vid as usual Dave, thank you. Much as I want the Terminator franchise to succeed, it is quite satisfying that it now contains a trilogy of failed trilogies. That dice mechanic reminds me of Space Weirdos, in which buffs and debuffs are reflected by moving up and down dice types.

[@oakfoot3043]

Dave, I’m so glad the “time displacement mechanic” worked for you in real life, I’m guessing you used it somehow to arrive in your “time sphere” without being caught out in the buff? If so, we’ll played! Great video editing and content as always :D

[@thomasrobertson4213]

Probably more carefully crafted storytelling in this vid than the damn movie, great work!

[@MSPaints]

Haha, that’s a fair assessment. Not a hard bar to reach.

[@classicalcomp]

Dave. I had forgotten all about this game. I had the fall of skynet and a bunch of extra sprues for the soldiers and terminators when they were on clearance from warlord 10 sprues each of terminators and soldiers for like under a dollar each if I remember. . You convinced me to buy the actual game and expansion. Can’t wait to get some friends to play this with me. Thanks for putting this back out there.

[@myzri3557]

Sucks that it never got the following that it clearly deserved. Thanks for bringing it to my attension

[@mattpreston1298]

I picked this up on clearance at my local shop, intending to use the Termniators as Yuuzhan Vong hunter droids in my Legends Star Wars RPG. Gonna have to go back and paint up the resistance models and play a game now...

[@stretch3281]

Ouhhh... so nice to have Hector back. And what a great mechanic, one number to achieve a result, different dice to very the chance of achieve that number. Quick, someone phone GW before they release 10th!

[@gingerpaintbrush]

Looks pretty bloody sweet makes might look at the tule set for some homegrown games....

[@WeeblokesBlogspot]

Great Vid. I have this sitting on the shelf still waiting for some attention. Maybe should give it another proper look this weekend and try to decide whether to glue the Resistance weapons on or respect the innovative way they are designed to swap out!

[@LangJones]

Excellent video. Funny, informative and clear. Thanks!

[@RogalDorn01]

I LoL'd as soon as you checked your clock to say 30 second had passed

[@tamsinm]

Okay, I don't recognise Alessio Cavatore's name, but I do recognise Bob Naismith and Michael Perry as long-running former GW sculptors. (Michael Perry's the one who lost his right hand loading a cannon and had to learn to sculpt left-handed.)

[@stefanklossek7857]

Great game and cooool terrain. A building and painting tutorial for this awesome board would be great.

[@Ragsta]

Very nicely done video, I loved the nods to the first two films too! I remember all the stories going on clearance sale at Warlord…

[@jpee300]

Thanks for the great vid again. Especially since this might not get the deserved amount of views. Purely because it's not about 40k. Production quality was also top notch again. Keep it up

[@carminethewolf]

You have NO idea how glad I was to see you had clothes on when the visual effect disappeared at the start of this video.

[@MSPaints]

You the only one who was glad, hun

[@carminethewolf]

@@MSPaints happy to be in the 1%

[@jherazob]

I am *SO GLAD* i got the big starter box when Warlord put it in "Last Chance to Buy" some years ago, along with raw sprues of the Endos. Need to find a local copy of the boardgame and i'll be set, just need somebody else here that actually wants to give it a go, which is much harder to find i'd say... Had to edit the comment to add something a reviewer mentioned: The playstyles of the faction utterly reflect canon: The Skynet forces are ponderous war machines, utterly unconcerned about damage and can wipe out any squishy humans they come across, each one a one-machine platoon. On the contrary, the humans squirrel around, getting all the cover they can get, and when a chance appears they gang up on the machines, stunning them in groups long enough to be able to kill them, because humans always fight in groups and that's their strength, that and their leaders. Few wargames capture their canon so well.

[@thewarriorsworkbench8223]

I wrote some articles on this game for Warlord back then. It is such a great little game, just a shame the film didn't do well, absolutely its major downfall. This coupled with some issues with the metal Terminators proved to be its undoing. Definitely worth a look though.

[@Piemasteratron]

Yeah some of the metals have weak ankles, but I still love all my terminator minis😀

[@RetoKelsen]

Hello there! When you made your video about how it's hardly worth the effort doing non-gw content, i really felt for you. I have a few non-GW games here too and like to work on them from time to time. Even on my Insta-Posts i can see how attention drops when i'm not doing a fancy SpaceMarine or similar. So i'm REALLY celebrating that you did this video. FANTASTIC!!! And on top, it's extremely entertaining, holds a lot of interesting information and awakens my desire to grab a copy of that game for my personal collection. All boxes ticked :D Thank you for your effort and i hope the attention-drop isn't as hard as expected and that it gives you enough motivation, to do small non-gw videos again in the future :)

[@MSPaints]

Hilariously it’s my best performing video after the video you mentioned hahaha! Had to hide what it was and blag it, but here we are. Happy to see a lot of people are now looking for this game!

[@calumforrington5738]

Man watching your videos takes me back to franklin college making movies in the woods.. great content and good times

[@MSPaints]

I should dig that old flip screen golden digicam out of the draw and put that 16mb memory card to use! Mum found some of our old dvds the other day. I’ll run em through a disk cleaner and see if I can get them uploaded mate!

[@calumforrington5738]

@@MSPaints omg i feel like i need to dig out an old sword and fake hair and do a training montage!

[@johnfarscape]

One of the best thing about this game for me, was the ability to send terminators back in time, and play against them with present weapons and models, we used modern SWAT models and scenery, which were pretty effective with SMGS and Sniper Rifles, but it was even more fun playing in a wild west time, trying to take a Terminator out with Shotguns, we even tried a medieval game, trying to kill a Terminator with swords was nearly impossible, and the rules worked perfectly, its just an amazingly good ruleset.

[@jamesfirth-haydon7381]

Another cracking video. I got some of the sprues when Warlord did their spruce sales ages ago. Good minis.

[@euansmith3699]

The intro is so awesome that I was laughing like a drain. The colour-grading on Tony's ad-read worked really well to link him into the film footage. "The future's not set. Pop it back in the fridge for an hour, and we can have it for supper."

[@MSPaints]

Cheers! New camera got me doing all kinds of fun colour stuff.

[@GoobertownHobbies]

Whoa, this DOES seem pretty cool! thanks for honoring it 🙂

[@MSPaints]

And thanks for dropping by bud!

[@AshtroKnome]

I'm pleased your commitment to the cause didn't mean that cybernet influenced you to go full commando for the beginning of the video. As others have said excellent production value and such great content.

[@MSPaints]

My clothes are all made of living fungus. They can teleport!

[@miniaturestash]

It's cool you were able to figure out the clothing issue with time travel, good job.

[@MSPaints]

Thanks! Me and Hector have been hitting the time machine with a wrench all week and it seems to have fixed it!

[@julianwarren7770]

Love this Dave! Can’t help but spot Battle Masters in your back drop… any chance of an episode about this? It was my first wargame/miniatures game as a kid! Used to love it! Come to think of it… might still be in my parents loft… 🤔

[@MSPaints]

Aye bud, that’s coming. Everything on that wall is getting covered at some point.

[@graysaltine6035]

Same here! had the poster that came in the box on my bedroom wall for years :p

[@GhostGuitars]

@@MSPaints YESSSS!! LOVE that game

[@davidbarry5512]

Still have this game and love playing it

[@rodmaia2099]

Hey Dave, just passing by to let you know this format it cool! Good to hear about other games and move away from the 40k area for a while. I know the algorithm wants you to keep hammering GW stuff (if you catch my drift 😜) but we are here for you if you want to take us on a different tour. Love the channel, love your work. Cheers from Brazil!

[@MSPaints]

Thank you Rodrigo! My maaaaaaa!

[@Fallen013]

Love this as a concept for videos, loved the video. Now I want to play the game! Darn it.

[@kapitihobbies9360]

Nice vid... and I agree 95% with what you say... only problem I had with it was the cover save mechanic... so youve got a termie walking along behind a tall wall and all that is visible is its head, yet it still gets no cover bonus... I just couldnt get past that...

[@MikeD-hn9hf]

I watched this with zero audio and it still made me powerful.

[@nevermorebouquet3681]

Holy fuck, the unrelated warhammer backdrop in the thumbnail fucking kills me lmao.

[@Flamethrower1942]

I brought the miniatures on sale from warlord games diet cheap ,I did buy the miniatures to use for a different set of rules but it was a project that I never got round to do. Shame this game was overlooked dose sound a good fun game.

[@elstonation]

I remember talking to Allesio about this game when we did chilling wargamers. If you ever get a chance to talk to him, he's a good laugh

[@MSPaints]

I will one day get him in a video!

[@johnnycooper7019]

Dear Dave, Bloody good intro! I've had this in my stash for ages, but never played it! Any chance of a painting tutorial or ideas for game board? Keep well & safe. Best Wishes Johnny

[@SledGod84]

Black dragon minis has a few base sets still in stock (UK), as does Frontline Games. Pegasus Hobbies does awesome HK units (that's aerial and tank). Rise of the resistance and fall of skynet add some good content too (fall of skynet is not an easy find). Finally, Dystopic on My Mini Factory provides 28mm T800s with the retro plasma rifles and RSB-80 heavy plasma. Etsy has T600 models if you know anything about STI/scaling for 28mm (if you get that to work let me know!!). As far as resistance goes FL games has a few boxes left, and Empress Minis has a slew of vehicles (including techncials) to build your forces up. Hope that helps out.

[@MSPaints]

Thank you! I’m heading to Pegasus as we speak!

[@adamjackson260]

Nice video. Thanks for sharing.

[@orric77]

Nice video mate. Good to see other game systems getting some lime light.

[@TheRendar]

still have mine. very cool game. you should look into the old Starship Troopers miniatures game. that was a ton of fun back in the day. love this video, keep the great content coming.

[@MSPaints]

Ooooh hooo sadly my KZbin dollarinos don’t make up enough to buy that game! Looked recently and naaaaah. Sadly not.

[@notsoandy]

Nice to see you in Sheff this morning.

[@MSPaints]

You too bud!

[@Grendelnz]

i got lucky and got this on clearance from a lfgs for the equiavelent of 10 pounds down here in nz, still shrinkwrapped. models mix well with the models from AVP and the soldiers from Mantics Mars attacks (another almost unknown game). now there is a crazy cross over :)

[@robandrews4813]

You bottled it!! Cloths don’t come though the time travel thingy!! Stay true to the universe GET NAKED!!!

[@MSPaints]

100% cotton goes through fine! We tested it multiple times!

[@benwallace3075]

Don’t think I don’t notice the missile command, T2 reference

[@MSPaints]

Well I’m glad someone noticed it! Haha

[@MattPerrin]

I read Roger Corman 's autobiography earlier this year and it was great! Highly recommend if you want to read the crazy history of Hollywood's underground cinema

[@MSPaints]

I’m gonna have to get myself a copy. Thanks for the tip!

[@jaeledwards1367]

@@MSPaints It's great, read it last year. Anyone could learn a lot about "how the sausage is made" from reading that.

[@peterwragg6453]

What can I say,apart from this man is a f#@king legend always puts a smile on my face 😀 absolutely love this video.

[@davidlankester]

This is excellent, now I have to play bloody terminator.

[@whinegummi6329]

First time in 12 months the algorithm gave me gold. Hello I am new here and about to stay.

[@RvnKnight]

Great video, my only qualm is the Square Space ad. I was US Army IT and while I thought it was humorous and on-topic, end-to-end SSL is basically nothing compared to what we used. Just wanted to toss that out. Again, great video, and I'm definitely going to be looking for whatever I can of this game as it looks like it may be a great time.

[@nerdstuffandreviews7578]

Excellent video. I count myself lucky to have picked up almost everything produced for this game as well as the boardgame and expansion. I’ve played the board game much more than the miniatures game, but they’re both excellent. This really is just ‘Terminator’ but getting saddled with Genisys on the boxes due to licensing likely put them both in an early grave. Even if you can only find the digital rule book, there are tons of 3D models out there that you could make an entire hobby out of with this!

[@Piemasteratron]

7:38 um actually the t-800s in the box aren't cybernetic organisms as since they aren't infiltrator units they aren't covered in human tissue. But it's still a good joke Also, LOVE that frog