Domane vs Roubaix vs Synapse vs Endurace vs Defy

[@ycpoh6678]

I came across this 2 months late! But I bought the Defy at a lower price compared to the Endurace. Really happy with it!

[@melbournecyclingsegments7510]

Some of you have commented that you would have liked me to give a solid opinion on which bike, well the reality is none of these bikes really gets me that excited and ticks all the boxes. Or perhaps it's just that deep down I would probably prefer a traditional sort of road bike. So I've given this more thought and this is my recommendation: If you want a full blown endurance bike, get the Trek Domane. If you want a simple light bike with some endurance concessions, get the Canyon Endurace. If you enjoyed the video and found it helpful, please hit the like button, subscribe to the channel and please share the video on all your social media.

[@philweezer4763]

Melbourne Cycling Segments you mentioned none of these 105’s excites you. Which ones did: BMC, Cervelo, Bianchi, etc.?

[@melbournecyclingsegments7510]

@@philweezer4763 I think maybe it's endurance bikes in general. I know I'm getting older and I will probably get one soon enough, but until then I'll stick to a traditional road bike

Melbourne Cycling Segments had my eyes on the roubaix. It will be my first road bike. Now, because of you (lol) i’m between roubaix and domane sl5. Help please. The price is the same...

[@melbournecyclingsegments7510]

@ I'd get the Domane... But they are both excellent bikes and you should get the one you like most.

Melbourne Cycling Segments thank you. It will be my first and i want to play safe. Had thought roubaix because its ligther and seems more confortable. But the domane has a better groupset overall. Dificult...Will see witch is more beautiful :)

[@sherwin3williams]

Can you do crit races on a endurance road bike?

[@melbournecyclingsegments7510]

Sure why not. Might not be the best choice, but watts can make up for any minor equipment disadvantage. Get out and race and have fun would be my recommendation

[@jcadvanced]

Wow! Did the Domane really jump up $900 in the past 2 years? Looks like the prices of every model in this video increased by almost $1000.

[@philipmarsden6132]

This video seemed really comprehensive compared to many others. I am buying the base model carbon Roubaix and this video made me feel confident in my purchase.

[@markgeeves7939]

Final review, you left out the Roubaix.

[@alrasheedmarwan]

Great video, thanks for making it. I'm looking to upgrade a 9 year old Decathlon bike and was struggling with the amount choices available. This video made that selection process a lot easier! Will be going for the Domane.

[@pgee70utube]

do you actually ride any of these bikes?

[@blizzbee]

lol

[@scj350]

Great video JP. I own a 2017 Trek Domane SL 6 and it allows me to ride all day without getting beat up. If you prefer comfort over speed, I can’t think of a better bike. I also switched out the saddle to a Montrose Pro and could not be happier. Keep up the great work! 👍

[@melbournecyclingsegments7510]

Thanks for your insights on the Domane. My Emonda has the standard Montrose saddle and I'm really liking it too.

[@79devo]

Fuji all the way 👌🏻

[@tbear4291]

I am switching from Synapse to Defy.

[@LeoInterHyenaem]

My favourites of the lot would be the Synapse and the Domane, followed by the Defy Advanced. 1. Trek Domane & Cannondale Synapse 2. Giant Defy Advanced 3. Canyon EnduRace 4. Specialized Roubaix

[@Akkiben]

Where is the Scott Addict?

[@kennyhaydel3671]

Great review. It covered the exact 5 endurance bikes I am considering.

[@imjason75]

This video is fantastic! Thank you so much!!!

[@jennyh.1075]

I love my domane 😍

[@damiendenvir7953]

This is a great video, I was thinking of getting a canyon Endurace. What did you hear about there quality issues?

[@avip2u]

Thank you for another outstanding video. Also kudos to you for being willing to clearly state your bottom-line opinion in the pinned comment.

[@bigmikeshooter]

Great review. The Synapse is the best for me... Greetings from Greece 🌞...

[@einundsiebenziger5488]

Right. The Synapse looks the best of all of these and even better in the flesh. It's also free from all those silly, complicated, heavy features like storage compartments and suspension.

[@stevenbenjamin1013]

I’m enjoying the bike so far kzbin.infoUgkxMesz3KOGEmwmvyKQfLfrRSUXLFzfVHZA My only real complaints are the brakes and the pedals. I feel like a bike designed for bigger people should have much larger pedals and more heavy duty brakes. I’ve only gotten two really good rides out of it, minimal downhill action, and the brakes feel like they’re already going out. A larger person has more momentum, so I think this wasn’t thought through very well. Also, I wear size 13-14 wide shoes. My feet cramp up on these pedals that are clearly made for smaller feet. Since I’m not a pro rider (and I don’t think many are who purchase this bike) I don’t think that the straps on the pedal are necessary at all. None of this takes away from the enjoyment I get from riding, however. I’ll just head to a bike shop to improve on a few things.

[@mpereirawolf]

The defy is the more balanced bike of them all. Today in 2022 Roubaix Paintjob is boring, trek is still heavy, Cannondale and Canyon have no endurance features, and giant has cool colours now! Só i think today is Giant and second trek.

[@johnnylong2049]

Just what I was looking for except it wasn’t the 2021 variants. Hopefully not much differences. My choice would be the defy advanced 1 tho being that it comes with ultegra components at $3300. 0 interest lol.

[@melbournecyclingsegments7510]

Yeah.. Hard to beat giant on quality and value

[@minterno1]

I bought the Defy Advanced Pro 2 last October after riding a 15.5 lb race bike. Goal was to get more comfort in my sore back. Price was $4300USD and there were only two in the US in my size. Luckily drove one state over to purchase. It feels fast, definitely more comfortable, disc breaks are better when wet conditions, and what surprised me most was 32mm tubeless adds a lot of comfort. You also get 11-34 in back so you can practically ride up steps. Vanity wise, the color is awesome, rosewood. I get frequent compliments.

[@saudade369]

Damn , I tried not to blink but I couldnt help it and missed all the bikes . We’re you having to pay royalty fees by the half second to be able to show them ? Perhaps it would have been more interesting when discussing the ways bikes were different , to have shown them a bit more rather than a palm tree ? It’s a very nice plant but not nicer than seeing some bikes

[@84imreplica]

I have a 2018 Defy Advanced Pro 0 and love this bike.

[@dand2334]

Could you please do a video showing the comfort or compliance differences between the Trek ISO Speed and the Specialized future shock?

[@einundsiebenziger5488]

Both unnecessary. Complicated, heavy and expensive.

[@raymondherrick1942]

Great review!!!

[@ronitdebnath]

Very nice video. I wish the Roadmachine was thrown in too.

[@andrewdy5466]

Great vids man, just found your channel and read you bio. As a 40 odd year old tradie whose just given up the darts and running about 20kg over my playing weight you are a great inspiration. Keep up the good work

[@melbournecyclingsegments7510]

Thanks for the kind words Andrew. As blokes we need to take the time to look after our health, for the long term benefit to ourselves and perhaps those around us. Step 1, darts. Step 2...conquer the world! You can do it, just small steps everyday.

[@andrewdy5466]

Melbourne Cycling Segments , youve got that right, although i had forgotten how brutal these “little steps” can be.

[@oldsarge275]

Great video, Thank You for the info. Picked up my Domane yesterday and I totally enjoy it. Yes a bit pricy in comparison but in my subjective opinion, well worth it. Again Thank You for the video!

[@melbournecyclingsegments7510]

Congrats on the new bike mate. I'm sure you'll love the Domane. Enjoy!! 👍

[@sebaslap]

I agree! It's a little pricey but I tried all of them and like the Domane the most!

[@dand2334]

How much bump compliance does it have? I’m looking to move from a specialized Sirrus x with the future shock, will I miss the 20mm of travel in the stem?

[@daveandruthbrewer3311]

I have 3 of these bikes. Trek Domane, Cannondale Synapse, and the Giant Defy. I would rate them in the order listed, with the Domane at the top.

[@somewarnvictorysomed]

even with the weight? Making my own decision on these soon... Would like to hear more of your thoughts

[@Motorsportsgeek]

What exactly is the point of having 3 road bikes in similar class?

[@albertodavid7514]

Im choosing Trek Domane hope i wont regrer it.

[@brankog7]

I got the 2016 synapse, it's been awesome.

[@einundsiebenziger5488]

3:05 - When the Specialized Roubaix was introduced in 2004, it never had any wins at Robaix, so it does not get its name "from the 'impressive wins over' the cobbles of Roubaix", but simply for "the cobbles of Roubaix". And who at Trek came up with that silly in-frame storage compartment? It makes frame construction complicated and expensive, it provides many additional spots for frame failure, and wrapping up your stuff in that pouch so it sits inside the frame without rattling, is so much more inconvenient compared to just stuffing your things in your Jersey pockets. And, when almost every company uses its own BB measurement, how can you call it "standard"?

[@undulatus2]

Too many complaints. Try not to be sad and enjoy life.

[@daves9539]

Nice job! Thank you its help a loot. Regards

[@abrahamvarghese]

Nice review. However you haven’t mentioned a word about Roubaix in conclusion.

[@melbournecyclingsegments7510]

Somebody's awake! 😉 Yes it's not one in the list I would go for. Not much to say either positive or negative. It's really only competing with the Domane and I think the Trek is much better

[@abrahamvarghese]

Melbourne Cycling Segments I was planning to buy my first toad bike and pretty much liked Roubaix sport 2020 but your review changed me to get defy Advanced 2. Now the question is should I wait for the new tcr 2021? 🤔

[@melbournecyclingsegments7510]

@@abrahamvarghese tough decision

[@abrahamvarghese]

Melbourne Cycling Segments can you make a video on how to build bike for zwift on budget

[@melbournecyclingsegments7510]

@@abrahamvarghese ok I can do that. But for Zwift just look out for a second hand aluminium road bike with decent working groupset. Nothing fancy needed for Zwift

[@armortodd5162]

Defy comes in three colors on the website...

[@avagadroa4065]

Which do you recommend for a heavy rider (200lbs?). I worry about Trek’s iso speed with my weight long term.

[@einundsiebenziger5488]

Get any bike with just a solid frame. All features including moving parts or storage compartments add to being prone to failure. So, if it has to be one of the feaured bikes, get the Cannondale or the Giant. The Canyon admittedl does not look bad, but their customer support is not worthy of that name.

[@1911bg]

I am 240 lbs and have over 3500 miles on my Domane SL 5 no problems.

[@ethranton]

I was looking recently in this category. I wanted the Synapse but none were available anywhere in Sydney and the wait was ~3 months. I also thought about the Scott Addict which had good kit and was well priced. However went for the Domane in the end. Liking it so far. One thing to note is a lot of Trek bikes RRP has just gone up for the 2021s. Eg the Domane SL5 now RRP at $4,499

[@melbournecyclingsegments7510]

Interesting to hear how you get on with that Domane Joel. Enjoy! 👍

[@mybugmy64bug31]

First!!!!

[@carlosalmanzar2775]

Make a newer vs

[@sebastianmejia1198]

Thanks for the video. I’m looking at the Domane for my next upgrade

[@MichaelZajek]

I vote for canyon :)

[@jcadvanced]

I recently just bought a Trek FX4 Sport Carbon because I was hesitant on the aggressive posture of drop handle road bikes. I never owned a road bike before. Would the Domane be the most comfortable road bike?

[@Thomas-fy9yc]

Nice start, but I was disappointed in several things. Bike weights are great, but I think most people concerned about it want comparisons on frame weights, not the entire bike which usually is dragged down by the variety cheap or mediocre wheels these manufacturers saddle the bike down with from the LBS. the groupos weight the same, but it’s the seatpost and wheels ( which many people immediately upgrade) which shave off lots of weight. I just picked up a Salsa Cutthroat GRX for instance, and despite it being almost $4k, the wheels weighed almost 2200 grams.

[@MrEagan1975]

I have the 2019 DEFY I LOVE it especially after I integrated the wires but im loving the 2021 Domane

[@Ryan-1337]

If you had to pick between a defy advanced 2 - 2400$ and the domane sl4 - 2400$ which bike do you find more comfortable since you've rode both!

[@adrianc6534]

how did you integrate the cables? i just got a 2021 defy and the cabling is my only complaint.

[@justwhenithought]

Surprised to hear you don't like Defy's looks. To me, Defy and Synapse take the cake on looks. Oh well, to each his own. Cheers. Thanks for creating this video.

[@postalcollective7111]

Defy has poor level wheels with SOFT spokes that lose tension. MUSH wheelset imo, we swapped those out pretty quickly, so add a wheelset to the Defy purchase price. Canyon DT Swiss wheels are DT Swiss predictable. The others are over priced and porkers imo.

[@minem23]

Endurace AL 105 with threaded BB and rim brakes. Budget all-rounder, not comfortable but versatile, durable and cheap to own.

[@aaron___6014]

Used ultegra or force carbon endurance bike. All rounder, cheap, comfortable, etc

[@minem23]

@@aaron___6014 agreed, except for durability, maintenance costs

[@jksjksjks85]

I own the Canyon Endurace CF SL 7 featured in this video. I am very happy with it but I can also confirm the poor quality control during assembly. In my case the limiting screws of the front derailed weren't set at all and the chain dropped on the first shift (luckily in the bike stand). Also the bar tape was not wrapped very good. Canyon sent me a 80 € gift card after complaining about the issues. After 2 years and about 4500 km, I can say, that I am very happy with the bike. Everything works fine. I upgraded recently to a Zipp 303S tubeless whilst, which is a great addition to the bike.

[@Emjay1950]

He claims that the Giant Defy Advanced 2 is the best all around bike of the lot but suffers because it is not the nicest looking? I would opt for best all around as opposed to best looking. Actually, I will buy the Defy advanced 1 as soon as one is available from my local bike dealer and I can go in and be fitted properly for it.

[@ikadb3564]

Great video..thanks 👍🏾

[@RickinHKG]

Very good review. For your next equivalent video perhaps answer the question: "If I could have only one, it would be....."

[@adas525]

Researching a 2021 Domane SL5 vs ‘19 Roubaix Sport. Thanks for this video

[@adamlucienroy]

10+ minutes of a robot talking is great.

[@georocks_]

Can you please rank Which one is more upright when riding?

[@melbournecyclingsegments7510]

The one with the most stack. Pause the video at that point and voilà

[@parthmache4733]

Why don't you talk about Scott they provide great value

[@kerbodynamicx472]

Any suggestions for a $2000-$3000 range endurance/gravel bike that runs on 105 or GRX? As nice as those options are, such as Domane and Defy, they just don't have many options when it comes to aluminum frames. Canyon Endurace 7 seems like the best option, being a 9.20kg aluminum bike that costs a compelling $2500 AUD.

[@melbournecyclingsegments7510]

Maybe check out what Merida has?

[@jiminy2731]

unfortunately in the current market, most bikes are sold out or have taken a price hike (low supply,, higher demand and fall in AUD) :( I was gonna get either the Trek Domane, Merida Scultura, or Canyon Endurace

[@nicoleainsworth6603]

Can I get this bike w/o stickers?

[@thomastran]

anyone selling an endurance road bike for around 1000 in Melbourne?

[@jameslee-pevenhull5087]

Frame wall thickness will be thicker for durability and Joe Public's abuse. The race frames are thinner and lighter. It was 531 vs 753 in the seventies. The good 531 bikes of the seventies were about the same weight as these bikes, and had frame flex for comfort.

[@einundsiebenziger5488]

Any decently made carbon frame beats any steel frame in terms of comfort. Still love my 1996 Eddy Merckx Corsa Extra for short-distance commuting, but my Bianchi Infito carbon is a much stiffer (when going uphill) and smoother (when going over rough patches) ride.

[@jasonoconnor9446]

Bought the defy advanced 1 with ultegra groupset and grx rear derailer..yet to pick it up and ride it but very pumped...

[@peterscawn9529]

Have you got your bike yet?...my same bike ordered for june

[@krazyhomevideos]

fantastic review of exactly the bikes I am shopping for. Thank You!

[@riffmeisterkl]

Any thoughts about Merida Scultura Endurance 5000 / 6000 ? Just released last year.

[@melbournecyclingsegments7510]

No personal experiences with that bike, but from what I've seen Merida puts out a good product

[@immikemx]

That geometry table has 3 different sizes, you can't compare if they are not the same size

[@melbournecyclingsegments7510]

Different brands call different sizes different things. I compared equivalent sizes based on the same reach

[@mzhunter8691]

If I’m concerned about the height of the drop handle bars what geometric stat should I be concentrating on. Is it the stack?

[@melbournecyclingsegments7510]

Stack yes.

[@scotttravis86]

I'm making a shortlist for my next bike. I'm looking at: Domane, Defy, Endurace and Synapse. I keep flitting between them all..... My 'main' bike is a BMC Team Machine SLR02, so, I have my 'fast bike', however, I don't want a slow second bike.... I love the Domane, but reviews say it's at the sluggish end of the ride spectrum, and it appears to be crossing over onto gravel territory. The Canyon seems perfect, but it's not as smooth as the others. The Giant is edging it...but....it's a bit fugly around the head tube.The Synapse, seems fast and comfortable, but its just not appealing to me as much. The 'big brands' are so expensive compared to the likes of Canyon and Cube (I was also considering the Agree C2).

[@melbournecyclingsegments7510]

I'm hearing ya. The Defy is oh so close, maybe go the Canyon.

[@kushagrasingh7731]

what is the difference between an endurance bike and traditional road bike. Sorry for my ignorance but all of them look the same to me.

[@einundsiebenziger5488]

A so called endurance bike is supposed to have a more relaxed geometry than a traditional road bike. At the same frame size an EB has a taller head tube and shorter top tube to give you a slightly more upright seating position. Fun thing is that the riders with the greatest endurance, professional bike racers, ride traditional, aggressive-geometry road bikes. So the destinction "endurance" is pretty silly.

[@anju2606]

I’m having trouble finding a bike long legs small torso. Hard to find a bike that will put me in an relaxed endurance posture. Which bike will put me more upright on paper it seem like the Roubaix would? Having tested all these bikes which bike puts you at a more relaxed upright position? Thank you!

[@melbournecyclingsegments7510]

You want to find a bike with the largest stack measurement, this will mean the bars are higher for a more upright riding position. You can use geometrygeeks.com to compare stack of different bikes. I included this chart in the video so you can compare. Also consider a slightly larger frame size perhaps with maybe a shorter stem, maybe a 90mm or 100mm stem also with an upward angle

[@mzhunter8691]

Great informative review!

[@draustin09]

GIANT DFY WINS

[@guillaumehoffmann54]

Great video. Thanks a lot!

[@ghascar122]

how is Bianchi Infinito CV relax geometry compare to these bikes? I guess which one has the more relaxed geometry? thanks

[@melbournecyclingsegments7510]

Try geometrygeeks.com

[@einundsiebenziger5488]

The Bianchi Infinito beats any of these in terms of looks, geometry and weight. Easily!

[@cowboy2710]

Great video, thanks!

[@Detroit3Pistons]

Why do you personally like the Domane over the Roubaix?

[@melbournecyclingsegments7510]

I think that seat tube junction is ugly and I think the front steerer spring this overly complicated

[@einundsiebenziger5488]

@@melbournecyclingsegments7510 From afar the Trek is the best looking of all the bikes shown. But its features like that pseudo-suspension thingy and the silly storage compartment make it prone to failure and heavy - almost 10 kg/22 lbs for a +3000 $/€ bike is an insult.

[@zhiminglaw8695]

yo i am tore between getting Fuji SL 2.3 frame (lightweight) or going all out on Canyon Endurace CF SL??

[@melbournecyclingsegments7510]

I'm not really that familiar with the fuji, but the Canyon has lots of offerings for the Endurace

[@einundsiebenziger5488]

... I am torn* ... Get the Fuji and enjoy full dealer support. Having to deal with Canyon's customer "service" is a hell of a mess.

[@robholford1428]

Nice review hitting my sweet spot of carbon 105 disc. Personally I like the look of the Bianchi Sprint,(not included here) however am I missing something, is it style over substance as there are few reviews?

[@melbournecyclingsegments7510]

I've got an aluminium bianchi Nirone and I also found that there were very few reviews but it's actually a great bike. I guess the bianchi doesn't get much love. If you like the sprint take for a test ride and go for it. I've found with lots of testing the celeste colour is worth 5-10 watts

[@melbournecyclingsegments7510]

I was just doing some reading on that Bianchi Sprint, sounds pretty good however it is not really an endurance bike like those reviewed in this video. Maybe check out the Bianchi Infinito range as well

[@anwaralblooshi7959]

What about Scott Addict 10

[@cannonfodder691]

Anwar AlBlooshi what about it?

[@alfa_romeo0701]

Wonderful content, well packed...

[@melbournecyclingsegments7510]

Thanks. Next time I'll review my Alfa 😉

[@alfa_romeo0701]

@@melbournecyclingsegments7510 ha ha sure. On a serious note, I m planning to buy one from this segment. Will help me great deal pal

[@jedisdad2265]

Why no Orbea AVANT?

[@cwk1417]

Probably because these are all Carbon bikes

[@brendonnoble3296]

Shame you couldn't come out with an opinion.

[@melbournecyclingsegments7510]

I guess it was a polite way for me to say, none of them jump out at me say YES.

[@happydays8171]

He did. The Giant's ugly. I totally agree with him on that, what else do you need to know?

[@melbournecyclingsegments7510]

@Steve King 105 groupset is plenty unless you have the budget. I've got 105 and DA Di2 bikes and the current 105 is pretty good. Probably domane and defy would make a good gravel option. Maybe shop around and get a defy with ultegra for less than the Domane

[@scottgraham5151]

If none of these jump out, what are they lacking and what would you suggest at a similar price point in the endurance range?

[@einundsiebenziger5488]

@@happydays8171 The Giant could be good-looking if it wasn't for the totally failed cable routing from the bar to the frame. And it looks much better than the current Specialized Roubaix.

[@goranpadezanin9935]

great video. Why you did not include BMC Roadmachine?

[@miguelmeza8088]

Have the 2021 defy advanced 2 for almost 2months love it! Only once complaint it's much slower than my road bike . Guess you cant have it all

[@neilawuk]

Wow the domane is soooo heavy!

[@iwearflansuit]

yeah I got one last year and it's heavier than my 15 year old aluminium lightweight bike - but it's not a lightweight bike and it leaves the old one for dead, feels light to ride but heavy to pick up.

[@cannonfodder691]

neilawuk i have one and can’t lift it into the car

[@neilawuk]

@@cannonfodder691 LOL

[@sebaslap]

but SOOO comfy

[@rafaz28]

Thanks for the video. Been looking at the new Domane for a few months now, seems like the right option. 105 is the best value IMO too.

[@melbournecyclingsegments7510]

I think so. I've got durace Di2 and the new 105 r7000 as well. 105 is plenty. Better things to spend money on (food, heating etc) 😏

[@TheSendakite]

Tire clearance is king for me as a 215 pound rider but I don't trust the moving parts on the Domane and Roubaix. These will likely make annoying noises - maybe not in year one but down the road. Canyon does not ship to Canada so I am outta luck with them. I'm left with the Synapse and the Defy. Both have quality products, decent tire clearance and no gimmicks. I prefer the Defy for its look, reliability and durability.

[@cannonfodder691]

Ritchy B fatty

[@zimga]

Defy gets attention only because of Giants marketing strategies and paid rewievs. But in reality, its an average bike with frame made of cheap carbon.

[@jcadvanced]

Aren't all the bikes in this class made of "cheap carbon"?

[@regularMattMatt]

What is your thoughts about the 2021 trek domane Aluminum versions? Was looking at the AL 5, it has same groupset as SL 5. Going to be my first ;) Thanks

[@melbournecyclingsegments7510]

Should be very similar to the carbon one I imagine, perhaps a bit heavier and maybe not quite as comfortable. Maybe check out the aluminium Canyon as a comparison too.

[@mariconor242]

Got the domane and have done two 200km rides on it. Comfortable as you like and you don’t really notice the extra weight. It’s almost 2kg heavier than my other bike but it climbs just as fast.

[@mpereirawolf]

Everyone data the same. How is isospeed on the front? Is it odd?

[@mariconor242]

@@mpereirawolf The isospeed is the best bit of the bike, I cannot even tell its there. However since I posted this comment I've been trying to lower the weight as it is slower climbing due to the extra weight. So I've gone GRX 1x, added lightweight carbon wheels and Deda finishing kit. Lighter is definitely much better! However, it is still wonderfully comfortable, especially with the 700*30c tyres. I might go 28c to reduce weight further.

[@mpereirawolf]

@@mariconor242 Giant defy has some weird hookless wheels and Flex handlebar. Is Aldo very light

[@mpereirawolf]

I mean also very light. The way the tyres fiz to the wheels allows to use smaller sizes but creating a bigger volume