Don't Be Fooled! Crankshaft Sensor vs Oscilloscope

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Testing crankshaft sensor with an oscilloscope should be easy! However, don't let this catch you out when testing with the PicoScope 2204A or Hantek 1008C! In this video we look at how the low sample rate and memory of these oscilloscope can catch you out during automotive oscilloscope diagnostics!
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[@sollykhan2385]

An excellent tutorial once again, Thank you Darren 🙂

[@Diagnosedan]

Great video Darren, well explained. Keep up the good work!

[@MechanicMindset]

Cheers Danny! Catch you in Birmingham 👍

[@alickskid]

​@@MechanicMindset I hope you don't mind my interest, but what's happening in Birmingham? Is there an automotive event? Thank you for another great video as usual 👍🏻

[@MechanicMindset]

@@alickskid Yes, it’s the smaller Automechanika - UK Garage & Body event in few weeks. It’s free 👍

[@alickskid]

@@MechanicMindset That's great. Thanks for the reply!

[@remotaurog]

Yesterday I was able to see what's happening on my Can Bus ,thanks to the content.

[@MechanicMindset]

Great! What did you find?

[@remotaurog]

@@MechanicMindseti hooked the 2204a up to the obd port pin 14 and 6 with earth on a body ground,good signal just abit of tweaking,I could see those packets,Can would fall asleep till I opened the door as I'd key off ,now to figuring out what those IDs are 😁

[@anthonyheak3479]

Good information about sample rate and memory on the oscilloscopes!

[@M.Captain]

With an oscilloscope you should check the waveforms only. If they look all right, you should switch to a logic analyzer for this kind of job. Much much more powerful for cheap, as well as as being able to be programmed with multiple triggers, decoding serial/CAN/LIN messages, etc.

[@MechanicMindset]

Interesting. I’ve not really used a logic analyser; is this a tool like CANalyzer? I’ve used that before

[@M.Captain]

@@MechanicMindset yes, it’s like a CANalyzer, although that one is limited to CAN (as the name implies). Probably the best, simplest and fastest to use logic analyzer you can get is Saleae. There are cheaper options though, even open source ones, but that may take longer to setup. Recommend you try one regardless. I bet you’re gonna be mind-blown by what capabilities you’ll get with one :) (there will be little difference between you and the developers at that stage :P)

[@HelgiThorisson]

Great video as usual. I must try this with my Hantek 1008C and HSCOPE.

[@MechanicMindset]

Let us know how you get on!

[@Backalleydiagnostics]

Works much better with hscope but still best used as a paper weight, I'm not trying to be funny in the least bit. Coupled with a hs502 or 512 , Hscope will do anything that Pico will do on 2 channels. You only get 2 voltage selections even with hscope powering it, 2.4 and 19v and even though hscope will record your pattern for hours and days, it can only record in pages mode with the 1008. Data is there, but not in real time . For reference, you get 1 defined secondary pattern each page. The native 502 and 512 will record hours on a fast signal and days on a slower one in real time. Both cost less than the 1008

[@MechanicMindset]

@@Backalleydiagnostics Need to get myself some of Martins equipment!

[@Backalleydiagnostics]

@MechanicMindset try sone of his 3 meter leads. Absolutely love his and the price is so good I thought I bought 2 leads and was impressed for the cost . Turns out I bought 2/2 packs, so I got 4 . His new attenuators have em interference built in also. Good stuff !

[@HelgiThorisson]

@@Backalleydiagnostics Hantek 1008C is not great but HS502 is and I have both. I will eventually try both with HSCOPE software.

[@elmis123123]

The hantek 6074BE is a better choice than 1008 if you want a cheap scope. Got 4 chanels, 64k memory and if you use the H-scope app it is quite good.

[@MechanicMindset]

I’ve not tried it myself. 64k sounds better. I wonder if it’s still enough for some diagnostics. Thanks!

[@jondieter4903]

Excellent content on oscilloscopes. I really like the HS02 oscilloscope it has 12 bit capabilities and has 8000 samples per second and the software is so user friendly. It also works with Android tablets. This micro-oscilloscope comes in at $100. My favorite low cost.oscilliscope is the Analog Discovery 3 by Diligent. Its.a.small powerhouse at 125 MiSA per channel and 32000 samples per second at 14 bit resolution and the software called waveforms is the best software out there and competes with Pico Automotive. With Academic pricing you get for $200 and the software has automotive features. This is the best 2 channel scope for the price.

[@MechanicMindset]

Ah wow, I don’t think I’ve come across that. I’ll have to check it out!

[@Tinkerwizzah]

Yes sir the hscope software is awesome

[@reeldeelz2940]

Thanks for these recommendations .. I'ma DIYer and can't afford $1000+ for these name brand scopes..

[@NiteTrain89]

Is it the 410_415_C?

[@NEMOJA]

Hscope s/w is the best imo

[@ashercohen4739]

Thank you for the video, I would be happy if you have a video that explains how to detect improper timing, thank you

[@BigDogDiagnostics]

Great video! I had the same issue trying to get cam/crank patterns on my Hantek1008. Definitely challenging and frustrating at times. Upgraded to a Pico recently. But I would have loved to see this video a while back. I didn't realize why I was seeing all the triangles. And could never get a clear pattern of a complete 720 on one screen. Thanks for sharing and I am sure this video will help others as well!

[@MechanicMindset]

Ah no! It’s all part of the learning process. There’s sooo much to consider when using the scope. So many variables. Thanks!

[@jarodbowcott4353]

Another great video at usual. Want to thank you for helping me get into oscilloscopes!

[@MechanicMindset]

Great to hear! What scope you using?

[@manuelamaya826]

Very interesting for me, thanks for the contributions.

[@joelde3746]

got a PicoScope 2205A need to test this out if i get the same test

[@ChiefDLK]

The 2205A has twice the memory of the 2204A.

[@MechanicMindset]

It might still struggle. I have the 2405A 😬

[@joelde3746]

@@MechanicMindset OH 😭 2405A this is triple and more powerful than 2205A , would be really great if you featured 2405A in a future video 🤞

[@joelde3746]

@@MechanicMindset the only reason I bought a PicoScope 2205A after watching ''Hands On Auto Training @BrianMann216'' said 2205A close to it's very close to a flagship automotive PicoScope,but couldn't afford the real thing so opted for PicoScope 2205A £200 and yes I am a member of Mechanic Mindset scope course which help me a lot but observing this video maybe I was wrong and @BrianMann216, the real question is is there a budget version which can handle and do the job

[@MechanicMindset]

@@joelde3746 Will do one soon; you’d be surprised though 😳

[@wetleyrocks3092]

Appreciate the levels you go to to squeeze out the best info from entry level scopes. To be honest, I never knew how significant the benefits were when spending more on oscilloscopes! Now starting to save for upgrade 👍

[@MechanicMindset]

Great plan! The cheap scopes really help you u destined where the cash goes on the high end stuff. Thanks for watching!

[@toom1h-]

Scopes are a lot like cameras. Doesn't matter how much you spend if you haven't learned how to use it.

[@MechanicMindset]

@@toom1h- Great way to put it 👍

[@rsbharley4766]

Excellent video , thanks for taking the time to share. Cheers

[@MechanicMindset]

Hope it helps! Thanks

[@fredsalter1915]

I love MM!!! Thanks for making automotive scope vids!!! Love from California!! EDIT: it seems the 4425A is discontinued (not listed for sale on the pico web site). What scope has replaced it?

[@MechanicMindset]

Thanks! It should be there; it’s the flagship model for PicoAuto.com 4425A is the automotive scope I have in this video. Maybe out of stock? They have them here in UK 👍

[@tullgutten]

Have the 4425A at work the only thing is i wish it had a fift probe or seperate trigger input when probing all 4 injectors, i would also like to have one on the crank. I feel 4 is just not enough for a 4 cylinder engine, yes you can make it work with a small compromise by just not using one injector

[@MechanicMindset]

Couple options, use an amp clamp to get all 4 injectors in one channel. Or check out the Rotkee mixer probe- I did a video on Rotkee products recently. 👍

[@richardnilsen5]

Always learn A lot watching you work 🇺🇸👍💪 great thanks

[@d.d4184]

Brilliant video as always.

[@clublength724]

How would a Pico 2206B have fared in displaying these waveforms? The 2206B is a T&M 32 MS oscilloscope.

[@MechanicMindset]

Much better 👍

[@Ccorniit]

I'm looking for oscilloscope automotive use in mind, but as that Pico 2204A has so small memory, was thinking other alternatives. Hantek 6074BC, Pico 2206B or FNRSI DPOX180H. That 2206B is the most expensive of the three, but at least on paper it would be superior except to the FNRSI. However I'd like the pc interface as it's much more easier to handle cursors etc. Would the 6074BC be enough or is the 2206B worth the extra money? 4425 is way out of my budget. Thank you in advance.

[@tcdz01]

I happened to have a Hantek DS5102P Oscilloscope ( don't misinterpret that to mean that I know how to use it yet :) ). Can these types of scopes be used for automotive diagnosis or do the automotive ones read the packets and such also?

[@MechanicMindset]

@@tcdz01 Yeah, most oscilloscopes will be able to test most things 👍

[@arthurfricchione8119]

Darren why is an attenuator not needed when you clamp onto the ignition wire instead of going directly to the coil on plug. Just wondering does the signal change that much . Hope all well mate 👍

[@MechanicMindset]

Hey Artie! With the clamp or COP probe we’re only measuring the magnetic field, so the voltage is really low. Catch you soon mate 👍

[@DJ-tn7vj]

Appreciate the video D. Solid information

[@lanre3767]

My oscilloscope has a sample rate of 1 GSa/s,how bad is my oscilloscope?

[@MechanicMindset]

@@lanre3767 1GSa is great; but the memory is also a important for a clear waveform

[@leftyspinn]

I have a pico 2000 series like in this video. I find it so frustrating trying to capture a secondary ignition missfire when its under load. Theres not enough memory to make out whats actually happening as i need a few seconds on the screen but once I stop the scope and zoom in its very bad quality. Im looking at the new micsig sato series. Still 8 bits but way more memory

[@MechanicMindset]

It’s not the best for secondary ignition. MicSig are nice scopes 👍

[@joeandgod1]

Can you do a Relative Compression Test with a Pico 2204 and a Amp clamp? Without an attenuator?

[@MechanicMindset]

You can do that. Check out this video: kzbin.info/www/bejne/jF7PqaCgrp1jasUsi=SStHxMUChgE-sJ7G

[@joeandgod1]

@@MechanicMindset Thank you, I'll look at the video.

[@kepamurray1845]

9:00 I would bet it is the ECU varying the timing and not the slack in the timing chain. Ignition firing is not mechanical linked to pickup timing. It is calculated in the ECU remember. 😉

[@MechanicMindset]

Ah for sure, ignition timing may fluctuate. The test later in the video is locking the trigger to crank sensor and it’s still fluctuating 😳

[@khalidbadaoui1286]

شكرا على الفيديوهات والدروس انا احتاج الى اسيليسكوب مارايك في HS502

[@clems6989]

In the electronics world, Hantec is known as a low end "Sorta-Works" instrument...

[@MechanicMindset]

Yeah, it does the trick, but could be better. I just got the next level automotive scope to see what it can do. Few suggestions in the comments 😅

[@zabanfannikhodro]

I didn't get where you exactly connect the probs. Could you send me the film and how do you understand where it should be connected

[@MechanicMindset]

Black leads both the chassis/ground. Channel A to crankshaft sensor signal pin on ECU. Channel B to Camshaft signal on back of sensor 👍

[@zabanfannikhodro]

@@MechanicMindset tnx bro

[@-_Robert_-]

Are you afraid thet Ditex can be better than PICO?

[@MechanicMindset]

Haha! Actually I never get it out often. I should see how it performs! Good suggestion 👍 One thing I don’t like about that scope; the power supply and Ethernet connection 😅

[@-_Robert_-]

@@MechanicMindset Yep. I would like to see it compared to pico 4425. You know, Pico isn't cheapest one...

[@viisteist1363]

can u hook up the Hantek scope to picoscope software too?

[@MechanicMindset]

@@viisteist1363 It’s not possible

[@donfu2795]

Hey Darren, thanks for the Video - do you think the Ditext Carscope plus could read the signal properly?

[@MechanicMindset]

I’d have to have a play with it and try. I’d imagine it would 🤞

[@fitzyBarnett]

What would be nice is if you did a video wiring a e46 canbus that as in a 2jz swap

[@lanre3767]

Try out hantek 6254BE,it's the latest model,is it good?

[@MechanicMindset]

@@lanre3767 I just got the 6074 actually! Not tried it yet 👍

[@samfpv8403]

Can you also try it with the Micsig STO 1004

[@MechanicMindset]

I don’t have that right now ☹️

[@HenryBui-bu4sw]

you forgot to turn off channel 8 with the hantek.. 5:50 in the video

[@MechanicMindset]

Cheers, if you go on a little bit more, i notice and turn it off

[@HenryBui-bu4sw]

@@MechanicMindsetswitched to CH 7 before you turned it off if you watch closely.. the white waveform is proof.. not too important though. doesn’t take away main idea of video 😊

[@MechanicMindset]

@@HenryBui-bu4sw Cheers, the Hantek has such a cumbersome interface 😅

[@Saykes1994]

1 Msa/s how much MHz?

[@MechanicMindset]

They aren’t strictly related: Sample rate is relative data collection (1MS/sec, doesn’t mean it can collect 1000000 samples a second) MHz is about frequency; how quickly can the scope waveform change direction for fast switching signals

[@aranhaydar9195]

I Love these videos 🌷 Thanks for making them 🙃 I do own & use a 2205A 😁

[@MechanicMindset]

It’s a great tool, also slightly better than mine

[@aranhaydar9195]

@@MechanicMindset double the sample rate! Sometimes i really wish i had the 4425 or 4425a, for the library the12 bit resolution & the 200V capability. but for where i live & work it's way too expensive 🙃 so the 2205A was the second best thing i could get at the time. There are better scopes in terms of hardware, but the pico software is in a league of its own.

[@MechanicMindset]

@@aranhaydar9195 You’ll not regret a Pico Automotive purchase, and they hold their value to be fair. Maybe look out for a used unit.

[@LunchaSitlhouLetslearn]

Mechanic mindset always inspired me as a young and begginer mechanic. I will be very new to oscilloscope and l have one humble question. I want to do both electronics and automotive testings being a hobyist and l happens to know that automotive scope cannot be used as electronic bench scope. Can l get a regular scope so that l can use for both application? The scope that l look currently is a 100Mhz and 1Gsample/sec Please help me out🙏

[@MechanicMindset]

This is great to hear! Yes it should work ok. Just try to get something with a good amount of memory too. Sample rate isn’t very useful, if there isn’t enough memory to display those samples on the screen for the time base we select. Bandwidth isn’t so important for us. In fact, sometimes we want a lower bandwidth to reduce interference on the waveform. Hence why Automotive scope has low pass filters - that would be a good feature to have. And math channels 👍

[@christopherdwayne1110]

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[@MechanicMindset]

Hi, can you message us directly from the website (yellow icon at bottom) and the team will get you back up and running. Thanks

[@noahadim]

the 2204 works with pico7??

[@MechanicMindset]

Yes, download it from picotech.com 👍

[@rodvan-zeller6360]

Have you used the can bus decoder on the Pico scope for diagnostic purposes? Thank you in advance for your answer.

[@trublue2319]

Have you used ats escope

[@MechanicMindset]

@@trublue2319 not yet! Has some cool features right?!

[@mrblonde2013]

One can get a much better performance out of the 1008 by using the hscope software. As far as userfriendly and performance, it leaves the oe hantek software for dead.

[@MechanicMindset]

A lot of people have great things to say about HScope. I have it actually, but I keep coming across a problem where I can set the voltage scale high enough! I’ll need to try it again 😬

[@ferleycastillo7950]

Hola buenos dias? Quisiera saber si con el osciloscopio puedo tomar la señal de consumo de corriente de los 4 inyectores al tiempo, y la señal de kv de las bobinas al tiempo y el voltaje de los 4 inyectores al tiempo? No se si puedes ilustrarnos con un video, ya compre todas las sondas rotkee muchas gracias 😊

[@MechanicMindset]

Yes, it depends what cables you want to use. For current, just clamp around all ‘4’ injector wire. Maybe check out the Rotkee video we did

[@ferleycastillo7950]

quiero usar el mix-4 para mirar la señal de los inyectores, pero no se de donde tomar la señal de amperios de los 4 inyectores y poderlos ver al tiempo y para mirar la señal de las bobinas tengo las otras dos sondas, el carro en el que estoy tratando de tomar la señal es un spark gt modelo 2013, tu podrias ayudarme por favor😄

[@fir3w4lk3r]

TiePie have also some good usb automotive oscilloscopes. I think cheaper also.

[@MechanicMindset]

It’s a popular alternative here in Europe 👍 I never tried it though!

[@1crazypj]

If your not sure about V V T or cam chain tension when your getting 'drift' between cam position sensor and crank position sensor, shouldn't you check idle speed and oil pressure? I'm guessing they both use oil pressure to operate in conjunction with sensors? (opening or closing bypass valves or simple pressure relief?) Checking idle speed isn't too high is something that's been taught since well before electronic ignitions were used, (good old fashioned points and condensors) Mechanical advance mechanisms drop in and out from 'starting' position, your speculating about mechanical not electronic components.

[@MechanicMindset]

Great point. Not much to adjust on these. There’s no problem with this engine, it’s good as far as we know. I also reminded myself that chain slack is much more erratic than this slow phasing back and forth we see here. It’s more than likely VVT 👍 Although I’m used to seeing it locked in the idle position

[@1crazypj]

@@MechanicMindset Generally, if you have very erratic trace, tensioner is faulty more often than excessive chain wear (unless it's got 200,000 miles or more on it ) 🤯

[@MechanicMindset]

@@1crazypj Or if it’s a BMW 🤣

[@ebolti22]

@@MechanicMindset 14:50 ,How far can the timing pulley move? What does it look like in different cars?

[@MechanicMindset]

@@ebolti22 Usually, it’s locked and doesn’t move at all 🫣

[@careyautorepairs]

Cool Darren, worth knowing this.

[@MechanicMindset]

Thanks!

[@alexluz7023]

nice catch... in the cheaper picoscope because it has a very small memory, on the software sampling mode you should try to choose sample rate instead of buffer memory, that should help out also .

[@alexluz7023]

and thats also the proof once more that the hantek 1008C should be only one channel or two max ... 8chs is only to work as a digtal voltmeter lol

[@MechanicMindset]

@@alexluz7023 Great point! To be honest, I tried both functions and it didn’t really make much difference. The memory is so low 😅

[@RideBikes_Walkplaces]

I learned a bit of this on the pico at college 17 year's ago. It always intrigued me but the place i work is old school and isn't interested in proper diagnosis. Is there anywhere i can learn again these days? Id love to change where i work and learn off people as well! Thanks for the great video.

[@MechanicMindset]

Ah for sure, you should come and join us in Mechanic Mindset. We’ve got loads of learning, do regular live trainings and have a private community too 👍 Got plenty of scope training included www.mechanicmindset.com/diagnostic-coach

[@RideBikes_Walkplaces]

@MechanicMindset I signed up for the free look around earlier today! I think I'll subscribe it looks brilliant. You're an inspiration with your knowledge on vehicles 👌

[@MechanicMindset]

@@RideBikes_Walkplaces This is so nice to hear; thanks! Hope you enjoy what we’ve got in there, it will really help improve diag. We’ve built a community of friendly and supportive guys; you’ll be very welcome 👍

[@stephanevaucelles6378]

hello , thank for video

[@colinreid7305]

Great informative video. I have a Picoscope 2205a but have not performed that test you carried out. However, the 2205a has over twice the bandwidth, twice the maximum sampling rate (real-time) and twice the equivalent sampling rate Perhaps the 2205 will perform much better than in this test than the 2204a. what are your thoughts on that.

[@MechanicMindset]

I have the 2405A; it’s only marginally better. It’s the memory that lacks for this test 👍

[@paradiselost9946]

another possible cause for the cam sensor... its a true VR sensor. voltage output will be proportional to RPM. and theyre hooked up to a schmitt trigger type thing. at low rpm it can take a small difference in velocity to make a large change on the slope of the curve the sensor itself produces, and exactly when it hits the threshold. i know that my VR sensor on a project wont trigger below approximately 400RPM. it simply doesnt make the power at that speed to reach the threshold voltage. the small variation in idle speed may be enough to account for it. wouldnt expect VVT to engage at idle... is that a reading directly at the sensor inputs? no. its after filtering and feeding through the ECU. how? is it direct path? wouldnt seem so... use this effect on small engines, file notches or a ramp in the leading edge of ignition pickup tab, gives a bit more retard at idle, yet acts like normal at high RPM... so you can adjust the sensor position to get a bit more advance at high rpm without affecting the low rpm.

[@MechanicMindset]

I wouldn’t expect VVT either, I’m wondering if it’s faulty. I’ll check the exhaust cam too and this will help confirm if it is indeed moving or ‘not’ Thanks 👍

[@AutoDiag_]

Mtpro video any time soon?

[@MechanicMindset]

Soon yes. I think they are becoming available now, right? I have one already but held of due to no availability

[@nickayivor8432]

SHREWD, Mechanic Mindset Brilliant tutorials Enjoy your weekend, Thank you My mentor From Nick Ayivor from London England UK 🇬🇧 ⏰️ 22:20PM

[@MechanicMindset]

Thanks for watching Nick!

[@AtanasDimitrov954RR]

How do you know the. Setting on the scope. I'm new and want learn

[@MechanicMindset]

Great! Voltage (height) and time are the main 2 settings. Starting with 20ms/div and 20V are good base settings to get most waveforms. Adjust from there. We’ve got a few videos helping g with this 👍

[@martijn8337]

I bet the pulstime from the cranksensor is 45usec independent with rpm ? Try turning the crankshaft backwards and measure it again:)

[@MechanicMindset]

You thinking it’s an active sensor? I saw these a while back at Audi, and they give a signal with the ignition on/engine off (this one doesn’t). However, im gonna try this for sure! 👍

[@martijn8337]

I think it’s not active like an abs sensor but I think it’s bidirectional

[@MechanicMindset]

@@martijn8337 Will check it out 👍

[@andrewlace]

I'm curious, you've already addressed the 1008c for resolution kzbin.info/www/bejne/Z2Svi2iGlN91d68si=pKS7RxFxS67aJVrw so am I correct that this is not an issue for the 6022be? This is what I already have. I'm a shade tree guy, so I want to get as much use out of cheap stuff as possible. I'm not likely to be touching bmw at this stage, but if I want to do a timing chain they'd be high on my list.

[@MechanicMindset]

It will probably have similar results to the 2204A. I think the main point is, if you get a waveform like this, don’t assume the car is at fault. It could be scope specs. You may never see a sensor signal like this, but they are getting more common on later vehicles. Just one to be aware of 👍

[@andrewlace]

@@MechanicMindset no doubt as technology processes things are less likely to fail in one area but newer ideas transfer to another ie timing chains prone to stretching. Seems to be a modern feature of long service intervals, single row timing chains.

[@MechanicMindset]

@@andrewlace That’s it!

[@simonjones7785]

beware on eary 2000 berligos the crankshft sensor puts out a sig nal but it is reversed not my find but diagnose dan found it

[@MechanicMindset]

Thanks for sharing!

[@bencosturbz7755]

Good video ive got a mondeo 2.0 deisel that keeps cutting out and showing no fault code , im going to have a go with my recently purchased 4225a and the guided diagnostics on early access , will he my first attempt at using the scope properly , i could do with getting hold of some onown good waveforms to compare to , and i no i cheaped out and didnt buy the 4425a but will get that in time when im more indepth with it all , any info on down loading known good wave forms would he very much appreciated , im sure there is a way on my MM app but i just need more time to study it all

[@MechanicMindset]

When searching the waveform library, less info in the filter will give more results (ie multiple vehicles will likely share your engine) You can always jump in the MM community for support, and there are some great waveform sharing groups out there. 👍

[@bencosturbz7755]

Forgot to mention it was crank shaft and.cam shaft signal I was after

[@bdssltdprc]

Basic scope 101, sample rate, bandwith, memory depth, nyquist criteria. there's a reason an Agilent, Tektronix scope costs $$$

[@Foolish-diag]

check math in display of hantek

[@chrisi1909]

I would say the Hantek 6074BE is a better Choice - only 4 ch. but better Specs - and still really price good.

[@jessemackenzie6516]

HSCOPE has a way running in a pages record mode with the 1008c. There is a gap between the pages but it definitely makes the 1008c a little better. As a scope enthusiast I own way too many scopes ( high end and low end ) I still am amazed at my hs502 and my hs402 wifi with an internal battery. I would pay 10 times the price , I just think HSCOPE really has more features then some of the high end scopes. Here is a link to the gadgets playlist demonstrating the new capture mode. Hopefully it okay to leave. Please delete if not. kzbin.info/www/bejne/iKCamoJpZ8etiLc

[@MechanicMindset]

I have the HScope software (and I’m in the Telegram 😁). I need to get myself a HS502; they look great!

[@topcat5988]

So buy the cheap scopes and then buy accessories to enhance it’s capabilities? Makes no sense…

[@MechanicMindset]

Hi, which accessories do you refer to?

[@topcat5988]

@@MechanicMindset I’m a fool… I watched to the point of when you said how to make the Hantek better. And I made an assumption which I am a bit embarrassed of. I decided to finish the video and I’m glad I did! Thank you!

[@MechanicMindset]

@@topcat5988 No problem! It’s important to question things. Glad you enjoyed the video 😁