Don’t Be THAT Guy When Fast Charging Your Electric Car!

[@patrickwright1776]

That stadium seating analogy for +80% charging is awesome!

[@newscoulomb3705]

7:54 The LEAF owner should just park in the other stall because they can access the charger from behind. These stalls were designed for reach arounds. This is also why charging providers need to start focusing more on pull-through charging stalls. It really doesn't matter where the automaker places their sockets at that point.

[@KalleSWBeck]

Yeah he didn’t use much common sense there

[@ogdobber]

the leaf owner should just carry a chadmo to css adapter

[@prerunnerwannabe]

A CCS to CHAdeMO adapter doesn't exist though...

[@exploreoutthere6678]

@@KalleSWBeck Agree'd. But the Leaf owner is indirectly pointing out that the other guy could have parked in the other space.

[@lesterng5748]

Give a little slack to the Nissan driver look at how the Mercedes driver parked over the line

[@danoberste8146]

The addendum to #5 to prevent plugs from getting "mangled" is to hang the plug back up when you finish charging, don't just drop it on the ground where a heavy pickup truck might run over and crush it. If you see a cord lying on the ground, even if you're not charging, hang it up for the inconsiderate person who left it lying. The EV driver you help by doing this may be you!!!

[@MegaTechpc]

That won’t ever help me because I ain’t ever going to buy one of these idiotic EVs.

[@AdventuresWithBrian83]

@@MegaTechpc if never going to buy one, then why are you wasting your time watching EV related content KZbin? Crawl back under your rock Neanderthal.

[@atlerfix4240]

@@MegaTechpc 5:29 PM Found the guy who threw the charger port on the road. Just kidding mate. It doesn't take you anything to be humble.

[@lawdog516]

Even though I don’t own an EV yet, this video was extremely valuable, thanks Tommy for filming this video.

[@TFLEV]

Thanks for the thoughtful comment

[@toyyoda3710]

Same here ... But as a super car nerd i have to learn about cars i will never own

[@TheRealMerchyBautista]

All great points here! I've seen many EV newbies DC fast charge their cars to 100% all the freakin time! Kyle Conner is right too, most of those drivers are ID.4 owners. Know your ev charging curve..better yet, if you have an access to level 2 at your home, just charge overnight to 100%.

[@WheresHerb]

My daughter charges to 100% at a station near where she lives because it's the place around for many miles and her apartment building has no chargers.

[@laloajuria4678]

@@WheresHerb yes, we are saying she needs to stop that. tell her stop at 80-90, and just go back 1 day sooner.

[@ALMX5DP]

@@laloajuria4678 without knowing more it may not be correct to tell them to stop. Who knows what their daily routine, travel distances or battery capacity is.

[@laloajuria4678]

@@ALMX5DP if you have to 100% charge your ev everyday without home infrastructure, you bought the wrong car....

[@ALMX5DP]

@@laloajuria4678 not sure I necessarily agree with that sentiment. Just depends on if they like it and have a use or even future plan with it. We don’t even know if it was their choice to purchase it initially either.

[@swinglow33]

Oh no, he IS going to do a weird sketchy maneuver. 😂😂 This video has a lot of value. Great stuff, thanks.

[@ColeSpolaric]

The leaf owner could have pulled up on the other side of the charger and plugged in there. You don't have to be on the side with the screen.

[@timoliver8940]

Leaf driver should have pulled in beside the EQB, no need to do a weird parking maneuver ! I would add “know your car’s charging curve” eg my Mini S E will hold 50kW well beyond 80% before falling off a cliff. I’m also not averse to plugging it into a 22kW AC charger when the higher rate DC chargers (and where I am those max out at 50kW BUT are free to use …….) are all taken or blocked by Teslas that have reached the owners pre-set charge limit but they have walked away to the shops - couple of weeks ago 3 M3’s and a MY were all connected up but charging had completed and no driver in sight for over an hour………..

[@glennkverneland833]

Excellent analogy on the stadium fill rate & charging! Well done!

[@mikeg03054]

Great video as always !! Sorry for not reading all the comments but you did not mention the one thing that I come across most (and that drives me crazy) is an EV connected to a charger with the battery at 100% thus hogging up the charger needlessly.

[@lizburgess4398]

Thanks, Tommy! We just got our Bolt EUV last week. We have only level one at home, so we went to the Electrify America fast chargers. The Bolt uses 50, so we don't want to use the 350 stations. So, of course, we chose the 150 with CHAdeMO. Yikes! We've been watching videos for years on EVs, but I feel like we know nothing.

[@vtsean5840]

Thank you, Tommy! Especially for educating folks about not taking a Chademo charger if another CCS is free. Charging to only 80% is also important if someone else is waiting for the charger. May I add one more tip? Please don’t just leave a car parked and connected after it is done charging. That ties up a charger when someone else may really need it.

[@MegaTechpc]

Do you know how many craps I give about some other jerk who might need to use a particular charger? Uh, none at all. Screw them! Luckily I will never buy a Stupid EV so you don’t have to worry about my being so inconsiderate. I’ll just keep driving my Mazda 6 that I can fill up literally anywhere in like 3 minutes!

[@beanapprentice1687]

@@MegaTechpc can you fill up at your house while you're asleep?

[@MegaTechpc]

@@beanapprentice1687 Don’t need to. I can get 650 miles on a tank which lasts me a week, which is good considering my 100+ mile commute. Wouldn’t enjoy dealing with range anxiety every day. Besides it takes about 5 mins to fill up from empty so why do I need to fill up while I’m asleep? That’s the kinda thing that only matters when it takes 7 hours to fill up your car. No thanks.

[@beanapprentice1687]

@@MegaTechpc perhaps _you_ have no need to refill your vehicle at night, but some (actually, many) people have no need to travel 600+ miles straight before refilling. If you told one of those people about your car's ability to drive 650 miles before needing to refuel, they would give you the same response: "don't need to". Different people have different requirements from their car, and the majority of individuals rarely need to drive 100+ miles straight, let alone 600. You don't need to be rude to an entire group of car owners just because their car does not fit your needs. For people like those who own an EV, range anxiety isn't even a thing. They always have more than enough battery for around-city commutes. And when it comes to driving long distances, they use their brains a little and plan the trip ahead, so they know where to stop and charge quickly while they take bathroom breaks or eat lunch.

[@MegaTechpc]

@@beanapprentice1687 Lol, the irony of you lecturing me about being “rude”. Oh yeah I forgot, I don’t care about your opinions.

[@RangerMan2002]

There are plenty of parts of this country that don't have an overabundance of DC fast chargers and are, in fact, charging deserts. Sometimes you need to charge past 80% to get to your next charging station or your destination.

[@laloajuria4678]

yea, obvi. thats not what we are talking about.

[@mikekofMorrison]

This is true. Try driving your EV around central Nevada. A desert in every sense.

[@COSolar6419]

By all means charge to 100% if that’s what you need to make to the next charging opportunity on your route. Just don’t do it when you don’t need to and other drivers are waiting. It takes a long time to get that last 20%.

[@kenmcclow8963]

There is a place in Montana I have to charge to about 96% to get to the next charger. Newer cars with longer ranges don't have this problem, but watching the car charge from 80 to 96% is really like watching paint dry. What I have learned to to do is drive slower for part of the way to the next charger. That way I can leave at 90% so instead of going 85mph, I start out at 70mph and as I get closer the charge level at destination creeps up, so I can go faster and after a few miles, I am back at 85mph again.

[@flanigas]

Technically there is no level 3 charging. By the J1772 standards there are AC level 1 (120V up to 1.92kW) and AC Level 2 (240V up to 19.2kW) and and then DC Level 1(up to 80kW) and DC Level 2 (up to 400kW). What is generally referred to as level 3 is typically DC Level 2. DC Fast charging is probably a better way refer to DC Level 2 without causing confusion.

[@daves1646]

Like you said at the end. It’s all about courtesy and treating others they way you’d like them to treat you. Use what you need, not just what’s easiest when you drive up. Thanks Tommy!!!!!!!!

[@christiandiemond9595]

Unfortunately common courtesy is not so common these days.

[@beautyofgrace3915]

You were right about ev etiquette, lol, i hope to get an ev next month. Great video!

[@nicholasbegley645]

Excellent work. Needs to be shown at every dealership selling EV’s

[@slyguyaction]

Should be a mandatory video to watch for all new EV owners. Thank you for making it...

[@OddFortune]

This is so On! I’m a new EV driver, just a month. And I am amazed of the things people do at the charging stations. Please just be a good neighbor!

[@rp9674]

You are not alone

[@OddFortune]

@@rp9674 The station I’m charging at right now has a “Handicap Parking Only” charger, right next to me. I only have 10 min left to reach 80%. You think they will wait. Nope! They took the handicap charger.

[@rp9674]

@@OddFortune I think we've transitioned out of the era of EV owners being a special group, now it includes a-holes

[@anthonymrskipt9252]

When I was a kid, we were taught the golden rule - treat others as you have others treat you. Not so easy to live by, but it does make the world a more pleasant place. Tommy’s advice seems to fall within the golden rule and seems like good advice to me.

[@misaelramos83]

I found that the shell recharge app has theirs, charge point, ev connect and EVgo and you can activate them from the app it seems like. Just used a charge point with the shell app and it worked great

[@rhettthedog7757]

But why didn't he pull in the other spot on the other side of the charger? The cord would have reached...

[@tdub25]

So we will evs be able to wirelessly charge thru the road??

[@ouch1011]

It’s already possible, but incredibly inefficient because inductive charging is very inefficient. Same with wirelessly charging your phone. Maybe 50% of the power actually makes it to your battery.

[@chrishansel9324]

nice job Tommy, I glad to see someone explain charging etiquette

[@danielm9315]

My biggest charging gripe with EVs, yet no one talks about it, is FREE charging- Audi, BMW, Hyundai, Genesis, Mercedes, Porsche, Polestar, Toyota, and Volkswagen all offer free DC fast charging for 1-3 years. When infrastructure is currently limited, why incentivize people to tie up a charger? I'm not kidding you, my wife will go DC fast charge her 120k dollar EV to save a few bucks by not charging at home. Makes no sense, I blame the wife and the manufactures.

[@bostondan77]

I see a lot of Uber drivers now driving EVs, this must be part of the reason.

[@KalleSWBeck]

Because it’s a great selling point to sell a new car

[@NateSykesProducer]

@@bostondan77 interestingly when I was driving “full time” last year, I rarely ever had to DCFC unless I got a long haul from one side of Mass to the other. If I found myself at Logan I would charge, but even though I had EA charging I never used it for that - technically it’s against TOS.

[@kenmcclow8963]

Uber pays EV drivers a higher rate I think, but It costs less to drive an EV which is why they are switching. I spend $44 per month on electricity in my Tesla versus spending $264 to drive the same miles in a equivalent gas car

[@NateSykesProducer]

@@kenmcclow8963 Lol, they do - although only if they recognize the car as an EV and if the pax requests an EV. Even then it’s a tiny bump

[@captaintenfour]

Even though I don’t own an EV yet, this video was extremely valuable, thanks Tommy for filming this video i defenately dont want one thanks

[@monaezytwo6513]

Hey Tommy, if your Mercedes wasn't blocking a spot, you were not charging, maybe the Polestar would have charged in the space you were blocking thus giving the Leaf access to the Chademo spot?

[@manitobasky]

Yes the irony of judging someone who is actually charging well taking up one of the spots making a video.

[@incasejstn]

There is an additional stall available to Tommy’s right and he was the only car there until the Polestar pulled up. Furthermore, I would bet my own money Tommy would have moved to a regular parking space if all stalls were full and somebody needed to charge.

[@monaezytwo6513]

@@incasejstn Make all the excuses you want. Tommy was making a video, for money, and not actively charging while blocking a charging space. That is just plain wrong.

[@Geckogold]

Glad that Leaf owner came in and provided a real world example that you just literally talked about. Stuff like this is also why I bought a Tesla Model Y, since there are many more superchargers available, and almost every one of them usually has at least 8 stalls to give you more to choose from, and accommodate more Teslas as they show up.

[@NateSykesProducer]

That was fortuitous, although I wonder why he didn’t just pull into the empty stall and be on the back side of the unit

[@AustinFerguson]

@@NateSykesProducer exactly - the stall the polestar is using eliminates that empty spot as a usable stall on that cabinet. SO the available chademo could of been utilized for the leaf just pulling into that one. Done this several times in my Tesla owning it the few years I had it on road trips and a chademo adapter. Now I got CCS retrofit so it make no difference and I leave those open. This was painful to watch, but also hilarious because now that polestar owner will be in absolute WTF mode rofl.

[@greengrass89]

@@NateSykesProducer exactly! The polestar is using the cable pulled to the back side of the dispenser…so could the leaf!

[@KalleSWBeck]

The leaf owner didn’t think it through lol

[@ouch1011]

Most of what was mentioned in this video applies to Teslas as well. There are more superchargers, but there are also more Teslas on the road. The superchargers around me are routinely full with a wait to charge.

[@chuckm260]

Big fan of educating people on proper EV charging etiquette. HOWEVER, people (ahem, Tommy) need to keep in mind that if they were not present when the "alleged" vehicle not practicing good charging etiquette arrived, then they don't know the conditions when that driver arrived at the charging station. E.g. maybe all charging stalls were in use and the CHAdeMO stall was the only one available. Or maybe the other charging ports were offline, for whatever reason, and became online afterwards. Let's not make judgments based upon assumptions when we don't not have all the "facts."

[@srandyt2]

Nice stadium analogy.

[@NanoSchaap]

That also happens when you drive a diesel and there are only a couple of pumps with different fuel types. Gas car owners should have the courtesy to move to a gas only pump 😊

[@mondogomez5]

Why did the Leaf driver not park in the other stall?

[@lorddylanwolford3192]

I downloaded plug share just for giggles thinking there was no ev charging in eastern ky and to my surprise their actually is however it’s mostly wall outlets but their is charging points here

[@jasondesjarlais5507]

Great tips. And love the stadium analogy...going to use it! And why didn't the Leaf owner just drive into the stall beside you?

[@gregc9220]

It's going to be no different than the person in the gas car blocking the only diesel pump when there's four other gas pumps open.

[@fscottgray9784]

I have seen cars purposely park so no other cars can get into charge so they can charge quicker. The Public generally only looks out for itself sad to say. I see people getting into fights until many more stations are built. Every EV owner should have to take a class on charging.

[@wesshepard]

I don’t drive an EV but I might someday, and I know that these are important things for everyone to realize and know and get educated on. So great video guys!

[@kotter1792]

Ive had good luck with green lots app by shell. Worth a look

[@roderickhance2088]

Great video Tommy, this is a lot of good advice that I bet a lot of people do not know as 1st time electric car buyers, I know I learned stuff!

[@WW-wf8tu]

Tip 0: When your camera person shows up for a shoot don't drive the volvo with the gold side pipe and big sticker that stands out like a sore thumb. lol

[@toddh4491]

This should be required viewing for new EV owners. When I talk to people at charging stations, I'm shocked how many people buy their car without doing their research or understanding what's under the hood. Relying on the dealer to show you when information is so readily available is careless.

[@jminaya90]

Well I don’t have a charger place at my home because i live in a apartment complex and i do uber in a tesla… so I always charge to 95%… only when i use the ccs combo adapter in a evgo i charge to 80% they charged me 0.22c/minute but theres no too many around here

[@ouch1011]

You would waste a lot less time by charging it to 80%. Teslas charge so slowly after 80% and especially after 90%

[@jminaya90]

@@ouch1011 if i charge to 80% i will have to charge 2 times a day… 80% only give me 270 miles but when im at 20% or 60 miles im looking for a charger 200 miles for Uber is nothing

[@PL876]

Only two charging standards? It is also important to note that although each stall has two cables only one is able to be in use at a time.

[@Malc664]

Not everyone thinks about what they do, and considering others is just not on their radar. Hard to teach some people. I learn this fact living with others.

[@newscoulomb3705]

Unfortunately, selecting chargers based on speeds really needs its own video, and it's much more complicated than you can go into in an overview like this. A lot of 800 V electric vehicle owners are under the impression that the 350 kW chargers should be reserved for them, but most see very little benefit to using a 350 kW over a 150 kW (less than 5 minutes difference). Understanding the charging amps is more important because many 400 V cars with 500 A current see much bigger benefits by using 350 kW. Also, while you didn't get into it in this video, not all charger ratings are the same. Shell Recharge has been deploying "200 kW" chargers that -- for most EVs -- actually act as 100 kW chargers because the 200 kW rating is only available for higher voltage cars. And even then, those power ratings are often theoretical because they are calculating the peak amperage and peak voltage possible. In terms of matching your EV to the charger, if you're driving your Mini EV, a Bolt EV, etc. and a 350 kW charger is the last unit available, you shouldn't hesitate to use it. These are a pay-to-use public resource, and if you're paying to use it, you have as much right to access it as anyone else. Obviously, common courtesy goes a long way, and anyone who is not maxing out a charger or planning to be at the location for a long period of shouldn't be using the fastest chargers. And that's really the takeaway: Charging providers need to be matching the speed of the chargers with the typical customer use case for the host business. 50 kW chargers have no place at a gas station, and 350 kW chargers have no place at a sit-down restaurant. Likewise, EV owners should be selecting the charger speed based on the amount of time they expect to be there. In my ~50 kW charging Bolt EV, I've probably logged more 10 to 15 minute DC charging sessions than the average Hyundai, KIA, or Tesla owner. Just because a car charges slowly doesn't mean the owner needs or plans to be charging for a long time.

[@stephendyson1936]

Unfortunately vehicles with allowance for less than 50KW charging capability have no business charging above their weight. In my opinion charging DC software should deny charging to these lightweights allowing instead those vehicles with the ability to absorb the higher KW’s and of course take much less time to charge. Think about a vehicle doing 50 MPH in a 70-75 MPH passing lane. You don’t have the right to take up valuable charging space!

[@newscoulomb3705]

@@stephendyson1936 Charging speeds are relative to the battery size, and most 50 kW charging cars have batteries that well under 70 kWh. A Chevy Spark EV with a 55 kW peak will reach 80% faster than a Tesla Model 3 with 250 kW peak, and a Chevy Bolt EV with 55 kW peak will charge at the same effective rate as a Ford F-150 Lightning pulling 150+ peak. Consider applying your logic in reverse. Any car capable of charging faster than 100 kW shouldn't be allowed to use a

[@petercroxford5030]

Good advice but the Nissan leaf could have parked on the other side of the charger if you were not taking up 2 spots in the Mercedes lol. You literally were on the separating line for the other bay and had like 4 plus feet spare in the bay you should have been parked in.

[@kenmcclow8963]

Oh Tommy! Most new EV's do not use CCS in the US. Most new EV's are Tesla's and they use the Tesla plug at Tesla chargers that mostly always work flawlessly and You don't need 6 different apps to find a charging station or make it work, because Tesla software works and the screen in the car can find the charger and tell you how many plugs are available. I think Electrify America is doing the best job they can to make CCS EV ownership a big pain. I suspect when/if Tesla adds CCS plugs to it's chargers that EA might go bankrupt from not being able to get their machines to work reliably. I don't see those problems with European CCS charging, and I am not sure other brands in the US have the same level of problems

[@johnwog1]

I have been shopping a new EV and as far as I know only Tesla is using the NACS plug at this time. Tesla would like other car builder to use NACS Plug so Tesla can get even more tax breaks provided by the inflation reduction act of 2022. Tesla needs to open the superchargers in the US to other EV's

[@ouch1011]

I own a Model 3 and I can definitively say that superchargers do _not_ always work. I’ve come across many that either don’t work at all or put out significantly reduced power. The Tesla fanbois always try to push this narrative that Tesla is perfect in every way when it just isn’t. Most frustrating thing about owning a Tesla is that i automatically get lumped in with all the fanbois. The fact that Tesla builds their own charging connector, their own chargers, all designed to work only with their cars, and they still have issues is actually embarrassing.

[@theredmonkey]

Why didn't the leaf owner just park on the other side of the stall?

[@Glide1992]

Why can't the Leaf driver pull in on the back side of the charger really close?

[@TassieEV]

Thank you Tommy, I think all EV KZbinrs need to put out videos like this. The 80% rule is important but obviously smaller battery cars MAY need to charge more but also PHEV owners need to not plug in and walk away since they charge very quickly and I've actually had to unplug someone at the behest of the charging provider who I was talking to as the PHEV was fully charged and the owner nowhere to be seen. Odd the Leaf Owner didn't pull up next to you on the other side as the cables are long enough to reach both sides of the charging head/unit.

[@greengrass89]

The polestar actually did the correct thing. The guy in the leaf should have pulled into the adjacent space and just pulled the cable to back side of the dispenser. Just like the polestar did. Dumb and confusing configuration for a charging station.

[@NateSykesProducer]

The polestar is kind of in a weird place at that location, it’s port is in a crappy location. The other side would be a back in and drag the cable down the length of the car under the charge flap ( which I hate doing)

[@exploreoutthere6678]

Thank you! Thank you! Thank you! 80% and move on if peoples are waiting.

[@vxnova1]

Does level 3 chargers cause your battery to deteriorate faster? Would it be recommended to use level 3 all the time, say if you were in an apartment with no access to a home setup for chargers,

[@manuelias86]

The slower you charge, the better for the battery, the battery warms up with higher input currents. However, it's even worse for the battery longevity to charge it to 100% or deplete it to 0% often.

[@timoliver8940]

I would say it depends on your car! The owner’s hand book for my car says always go to 100% as there is a top buffer to protect the battery and also there is no way in the dash settings to even select it to stop at less.

[@manuelias86]

@Tim Oliver as fast as I know, all EVs have a buffer. However, the higher you charge a lithium battery, the higher the hit on it. Unless your vehicle is using a different chemistry, I wouldn't charge it to 100% all the time. If you really want to protect the battery, then stay ~40-60% range all the time and slow charge it.

[@tonys9413]

@@timoliver8940 What kind of a car that do not allow you to limit the maximum charging level?

[@unclej3910]

@@tonys9413 My 2023 Chevrolet Bolt EUV has a slider you can use to set the charge limit target. And it works! I can set it at 80% and the charger will stop at 80% charge.

[@joeyscleaninglady2877]

the "ac" charger is on the vehicle... The "ac charger" as referenced is a plug where as the "dc charger" is off board the vehicle.

[@dalejones4322]

It's surprising that there aren't more charging stations. Is there no money in building them?

[@NateSykesProducer]

It’s a slow process, unless you’re Tesla which kind of has a system down. It costs probably 250k per unit to install. Add on to that the myriad of local permit laws, landlords, etc - it’s a very slow process

[@dalejones4322]

@@NateSykesProducer I didn't realize it was so expensive for one unit. Thanks for that specific info. I've always wondered.

[@WillTheBassPlayer]

For anyone in the comments new to EVs, firstly, welcome. For the number 3 spot on this vid, if you're a bit confused at all still, you can almost think of it like regular vs. premium gas. For example, if you can only take up to or less than 150kW (the regular gas), then you wouldn't get any benefit from taking the 350kW (the premium)

[@JeffWinter1]

Out of Spec just did a video in Loveland, a gentleman had parked a ID.4 diagonally across 2 parking spaces and just left it to charge to 100% which was a waste in 2 ways. Charging etiquette people.

[@Digikidthevoiceofreason]

Etiquette*

[@rootbeerbelly408]

I would partly blame the layout of those chargers for the situation the polestar and the Leaf were in.

[@willpatton9529]

CCS to Chatdemo adapter would solve the the biggest issue with new ev user's and with the charging company's not put out more stalls with chatdemo, I love my Leaf and I don't want to get something else that cost so much more please help 😢

[@KalleSWBeck]

I’d love if such a device became available

[@ouch1011]

It’s not that easy because CCS and Chademo are so different and use a different communications protocol. There would literally have to be a small computer built into the adapter in order to translate the communications between the 2 different interfaces.

[@Prospector-xs2mz]

You provided a great video with great advice. Thank You. - However, the more I learn about Electric vehicles and the problems they have in both finding a charging station and their longer charging times (compared to 2 to 3 minute fill ups and I'm on my way again at fossil fuel gas stations), and also with their limited range (compared to a fossil fueled vehicle's range on a full tank of gas), in out-back country rural areas containing gravel roads, with hilly and mountain grades where there will probably never be any charging stations the less I want to ever own one. Not to mention their outrageous price range is way out of anything I could ever afford upon retirement pay. - Oh I'm quite sure they may be just fine for those of whom live in a large city where charging stations are abundant (including at the owners personal residence), and where there are only short distances to drive.

[@NateSykesProducer]

Of course, everyone’s use case is different; but as Tommy said in the video, you don’t routinely “fill up”. Charging stations aren’t as difficult to find as many people think, and that’s assuming you even NEED a charging station. Unless you are urban dweller (Brooklyn, Manhattan, etc) where home charging is more challenging the vast majority of your charging is done at home when you’re asleep. You plug it in when you get home in the evening, and when you wake up it’s ready to go. Everyday you have a “full tank” so there’s no need to hunt a charging station. I’ve had my EV for about. 18 months, I’ve fast charged maybe 200 times - and that’s because I road trip a lot. Most of the time I plug in at home a few times a week.

[@kenmcclow8963]

I live in a rural place and I think EV's are great for that. I charge in my driveway so my car is full every day. I don't go to the gas station so the oil company can make record profits and the Saudi's can be so rich they run out of things to buy. Can we buy Tiger Woods? Anyways I can drive around and do all my errands and go to work and get home in the 230 mile range of my car and I plug it in and when I wake up it is full again. You are right that in the US EV's cost too much. In Europe there are 5-6 around $20,000 and in the US only the Chevy Bolt is about $26,000, although starting in 2023 it will qualify for the tax credit of $3750 and in 2024 you can get the tax credit at the dealer instead of waiting to do your taxes. I bought my car used and it is now almost 8 years old and still works like it was new aside from some paint chips. I have driven it across the country four times so far

[@Prospector-xs2mz]

@@NateSykesProducer - OK - I see you love your expensive electric vehicle, and I highly commend you for that. But you still have not convinced me to ever own one. So I have the following questions? (1) What is the total price in dollars ($$$), to fully recharge it from an almost dead battery to a full charge at most public recharging stations across the nation cost compared to the total price in dollars ($$$), of say a 15 to 20 gallon gas tank on a standard fossil fuel vehicle from almost empty to a full tank? (2) What is the approximate time it takes to recharge it from an almost dead battery to a fully charged battery compared to the generally average time (2 to 3 minute fill up time), it takes to refill a 15 to 20 gallon gas tank from almost empty to a full tank on a standard fossil fueled vehicle? (3) What is the driving range (average distance), over most highways from a full battery to an almost dead battery compared to the driving range (average driving distance of 250 to 300 miles from a full gas tank (15 to 20 gallon gas tank), to almost empty ), on a fossil fueled vehicle? (4) Can an electric vehicle tow a tear drop camper out into rural back country areas on gravel roads of which have several steep up and down (6 percent grades), out to BLM land in order to go off-grid dispersed camping for a couple of days in the mountains where there are no recharging stations and still be able to make the same return trip back over the same roads and condtitions back to my house on a single charge in the battery pack and still have almost a half charge left in the battery pack as my fossil fueled vehicle does? (5) How hard is it to get replacement parts (everything from brake pads to engine and drive train overhaul parts tail light and headlight assemblies, as well as body and fender parts etc, ), from the usual run of the mill common after-market auto parts stores like Auto Zone, O'Reilly's or local salvage yards etc if it (an electric vehicle), breaks down ( I do my own vehicle repairs including engine overhaul to include body and fender repairs etc., as I cannot afford to pay a garage to do them for me on retirement pay), (6) Can I buy a "used" electric vehicle of which will last me for another 50,000 to 100,000 miles at most used car dealers (in any town across the nation), for the same amount of money it of what it costs me (generally around $1,000.00 to $3,000.00 on average), for a used fossil fuel vehicle if mine breaks down or I decide to get another one. (7) Or can I purchase a damaged electric vehicle from a local salvage yard of which might have been hit in the rear end for around $400.00 and then restore it myself for around $500.00 by doing all the body and fender repair labor myself and purchasing the nesessary repair parts from the salvage yard (like I am doing for my 2002 Pontiac Grand AM GT), of which I got from a salvage yard (the only damage was the plastic rear wrap-around bumper was destroyed, the rear quarter panels on each side were buckled in and the right taillight assembly was busted out, otherwise the car was in mint condition and purrs like a kitten with only 75,000 miles on it? Can you answer those questions? Maybe if you can convince me that an electric vehicle can meet those standards of what I can do with fossil fueled vehicles, then you might also convince me I need to own one.

[@NateSykesProducer]

@@Prospector-xs2mz ok, there’s a lot to unpack here. The first thing to remember is Gas/diesel is not 1:1 comparison in terms of quality of life and day to day living. In fact it’s like apples and cabbage. I’m just going to hit on a few high points that kind of encompass a lot of your questions. 1) with very few exceptions you will not ever run your car to zero, unless something happens or you decide to try and be a hotshot. Most owners roll into a DCFC (on road-trips , not day to day - see my previous comment) with between 5-30% State of Charge. That sounds weird but it’s the most efficient and fastest way to drive an EV. Every EV has its sweet spot where it recharges the fastest. You learn your car and soon it become second nature. 2) Cost: Again you don’t charge to 100% at a fast charger unless you absolutely NEED to. You charge enough to get you to your next stop - that may only be 65%. So in that scenario it could cost you $0 - maybe $15 depending on the provider. 3) Time is a big variable. When it comes to charging times it’s all based on your car. Some take longer than others. Some have much bigger batteries some just charge slower. In a typical road-trip you could spend anywhere from 18-45 minutes depending on the car. That sounds like a long time, but in reality trying to cannonball every road-trip is exhausting. Relax, I find that 600 mile trip takes maybe 90 minutes longer but it’s more relaxing 4) repairs: when it comes to fixing things there’s not much to fix unless it’s something really, really wrong. Brakes last much,much, much longer. You will probably have to add some washer fluid. Some cars want a special coolant flush around 40k. - that’s pretty much it. No belts, oil, plugs or pretty much any typical expendable - ok maybe the cabin filter

[@NateSykesProducer]

I’ll let some more experienced camper people answer those questions

[@mikethebeast1012]

People have been blocking diesel pumps for yrs and that's a situation that's far more obvious and less nuanced than different electric plugs/output capacity. I doubt these people are going to have any concerns regarding specifics of changing stalls.

[@LBrisk01]

did you take that stadium comparison from r/electricvehicles?

[@jamesmcconnell5279]

why is it that at 150 kw (my Audi that will take upto 150 kw) only gets around 80kw but on a 350kw I get 150kw?

[@ouch1011]

Because the ratings on the chargers suck and depend on the voltage of the vehicle’s battery (i.e. it’s complicated)

[@bleep86]

I am still learning all the rules for EV public charging. Nice video.

[@TheCoffeeField]

People are just clueless

[@darrendaine4914]

So what I got out of that is Nissan needs to change their plug in or don't buy a Nissan

[@KalleSWBeck]

All the new ones are changing to Ccs

[@Fraiyia]

Keep in mind that EVgo chargers by the minute. Pay-as you go is .30 cents per minute . EVgo wants to have you on a monthly plan . Blink will apply a $25 holding fee for charging as guest which will fall off after a week; you need to sign up and provide a card and then add funds to mitigate that fee,I also got a blink card so I can tap to pay . I would give one more tip : if you go to the Ev charger at night look the connector over good ;for reasons I can not fathom, why people sabotage the connectors but they do- look at the connector make sure that it is clear of debris and nothing out of sorts . Finally : this weekend two ice vehicles had the Ev chargers blocked at Nissan ; I had to make one move- Ice vehicles tend to block stations as they see it as we Ev people are entitled or something and I have seen big trucks parked in spots with the charging cord inside the window or a Prius which is a hybrid not an EV parked in our charging spots.

[@KuruCy]

Level 3 is not a correct term, it doesn’t exist. It’s AC Level 1, AC Level 2, and DC fast charging

[@rasch19785]

The guy in the leaf could e parked between the Mercedes and Route the cable around the charger...

[@elywalton1236]

That's what I like about standards... There are so many of them... 😎

[@ogdobber]

my lightning will charge at ~142 on a 150w charger and ~170 on a 350w charger even though its rated at 150

[@Glide1992]

Very informative. Thanks.

[@Buzzerd03]

To some up a lot of this, learn to share, remember you're not the only one who needs to use the charger.

[@killer2600]

There are driver's that can't honor the red light at traffic lights, I'm not going to put much faith in future EV'ers honoring charging etiquette. We already got people tampering with and vandalizing charging sessions/stations - that broken charger you show looks to be done intentionally.

[@oparayev348]

I see it has been mentioned in the comments. I have a Tesla. I would use a Tesla Supercharger for my car. With the appropriate adapter I could use these CCS1 DC Fast Chargers. I think there might be more Tesla EVs on the road than any other manufacturer in the US. I will agree that almost every other EV in the US uses CCS1. Note that Europe uses CCS2 and there are other standards around the world as well.

[@lanceres5spd]

I’m surprised thieves aren’t stealing those charging cords for scrap copper yet.

[@laloajuria4678]

they are. usually druggie areas.

[@arenjay3278]

For different charge speeds charge more or less per hour. Hummer at 150 kW can go for. A longer lunch.

[@markmonroe7330]

Folks have been parking their gas cars at limited pumps that have diesel for ages. There may only be 4 pumps out of 20 that have diesel and very often all 4 will have gas cars there while there are plenty of other pumps they could use. They will be just as clueless at the charging stations. The difference is that they only tie up a fuel pump for less than 10 minutes whereas they will tie up charging station potentially for hours.

[@Islandlazy99]

I haven’t seen David in TFL videos. Give us an update, please.

[@Visualhead_Spacer]

i rarely charge at public even if I own a very fast 800v car, but its good to know some common sense lol

[@ouch1011]

“Level 3 charging” isn’t a thing. It’s called DC fast charging or “fast charging.” Also, the “up to XXX kw” branding is complicated. My Tesla and Ioniq5 are both capable of charging at 200+ kw, but my Tesla will never be able to get 150kw from the EA “up to 150kw” chargers and my Ioniq5 will only get it on some. Typically, my Tesla will only get about 110kw from a 150kw charger and my Ioniq5 will only get about 130kw from most of the 150kw chargers. There are some cars that can only accept 150kw of power, but they’ll only get it from an “up to 350kw” charger. As others mentioned, the Leaf should have pulled into the other stall to the left of the Polestar. It could have connected to the front charger with the Chademo with no issue. I’ve noticed that Leaf owners tend to be quite passive aggressive about the Chademo connector, so I wouldn’t be surprised if that person did that just to make a scene. I don’t use that charger if I don’t have to, but if every other station is in use, sorry Leaf owners but I need to charge too lol. I don’t know why EA decided to put their chargers on the side of the parking space like that. I makes way more sense to have the chargers in front of the parking spot (like their older installs were) and that way you can pull head in or back in as needed. For the future, they’ll need to change it yet again to allow for vehicles that are towing to charge without having to unhitch.

[@DS-mz7dy]

Great information for people, especially those new to EVs. On that note, please stop referring to DC fast charging as Level 3, there is no such thing. I know it seem logical, level 1, level 2, etc. I get it, you're trying educate people about EVs so maybe i'm wrong, but it bugs me when incorrect information is given out. Great video though.

[@ManWander]

great info! (could do without annoying background music)

[@rp9674]

Pretty complicated, use the plug that fits

[@markokozaric]

Why didn't Nissan Leaf park next to your car? 🤣

[@sonofagun1037]

requiring an app to charge your car is the absolute worst part of EV ownership. Imagine if you needed a Circle K app, Quick Trip app, Kwik Trip app, Shell App, and a 7/11 app to just turn on a fuel pump. Just because Tesla uses phones for their crap doesn't mean that's the direction people want to go. If it was than everyone would have a tesla. Let me just swipe my card and walk away ffs

[@Jaxav8or]

I get it… but unfortunately people aren’t even courteous now to diesel drivers/pumps. Doubtful people are going to be observant or considerate enough to know plugs, rates etc etc. they just want their juice.

[@MatthewSerta1]

Am I the only one that feels like this video is made toward bolt and ID4 owners? lol. They are the worse about taking a 350 and charging to 100%

[@NateSykesProducer]

More hate towards ID4 owners - geez - don’t lump us all into one group. But I will say that I think VW figured out pretty quickly that unlimited charging was not a good thing for the infrastructure. Because of this you have a lot of ‘21 owners that use EA exclusively and don’t have home charging

[@MatthewSerta1]

@@NateSykesProducer we just want to inform the ones who still do it. Definitely annoying tho for those cars that can take higher than 150 tho. Hopefully this video can help!

[@NateSykesProducer]

@@MatthewSerta1 I think what a lot of people forget is that when it comes to charge speed, you often take what’s available you never know what the situation is prior to your arrival. Now that being said , there is a large install that I frequently use that often on Sundays there are a pair of deep charging Bolts. Often they were at the 350s which is annoying. But that location just upgraded to the new balanced chargers so it’s all good

[@petelattimer6808]

so in reality then what you are saying is that a vehicle with (for example) a 100kw battery, in reality only has 80kw, as you shouldnt charge past 80% on a public charger? rather defeats the point of having the battery capacity that the car has then doesnt it?

[@ouch1011]

The capacity is there if you need it. Most driving doesn’t even come close to using the full battery anyway.

[@lesterng5748]

The Mercedes park to far to the right so the Nissan couldn't fit in the stall and you forgot tesla standard

[@scottmcshannon6821]

i like how he says there is only three charging standards, totally ignoring the most popular one. TESLA.

[@enz6312]

Gas station at nearly every major intersection.....reg, super, premium unleaded (or diesel) ....my debit card accepted....no need for ANOTHER stupid app.....10-15 minutes to top off......MUCH EASIER........ You shouldn't need an etiquette manual and a PHD to fill up your vehicle...

[@ouch1011]

I plug in my EV when I get home and it charges while I sleep. MUCH easier.

[@wlr1589]

If you didn’t park off center in your spot the Pulsar could have parked next to your car.

[@westeed1]

The leaf could’ve parked next to you and pulled the cable behind the charging unit easier. I guess ev drivers think they’re smarter… but lack common sense. 😂

[@kylerobinson7572]

You should mention that the majority of level 3 charging stations are NACS (Tesla). Hopefully the Tesla stations will soon be available to all :-)

[@ouch1011]

Majority of new EVs are Teslas. Whether or not there are more superchargers than CCS fast chargers is debatable when considering all networks. There are a _ton_ of 50kw chargers out there.

[@seumasmackinlay]

It’s like meterless street parking -everyone SHOULD get close to the end of the row or the next car, but nooooo -knuckleheads gotta’ park in the middle somewhere and screw it up for everyone else. 😖

[@yellowboxster06]

Useful tips probably wasted on clueless drivers. People generally are not that considerate. Even at gas stations with lines of cars waiting, people will leave their cars parked at the pump while they go in to grab a snack rather than move their cars out of the way so others can refuel. If you have a service station that requires human consideration for it to operate efficiently you’ll wind up with problems. There needs to be one connector standard and each connection needs to be up to the task at hand.

[@dougwelch8890]

First off, charge stations need a roof. Almost every gas pump on the planet has a roof. Do you really want to get out in the rain to plug in a charger? Second, charge stations need to be pull through, just like gas stations. That simple change alone would end most for the issues people have with charging stations. Does it really need to be this difficult?

[@toyyoda3710]

If i owned an EV i would charge at 240 volts at home. Fast charging degrades battery life as does going beyond 15 and 85 percent charge

[@monaezytwo6513]

Tommy knocks the Polestar for taking a Chademo as he has his EV sitting in a spot blocking while not charging. Hypocrite anyone?