DON'T buy a HUNTER.. Everything you need to know - Ep 109 - Lady K Sailing

[@robertmazza3640]

I too was somewhat disturbed by the title of this video, but agree that it is a fair analysis of the brand for which I designed (as you were kind enough to mention) for about four years in the mid-90s. However, a couple of corrections. The driving force behind Hunter was the late Warren Luhrs whose best friend was Lars Bergstrom (also now deceased). Warren and Lars sailed many miles together offshore in a boat called Thursday's Child, and then in another called Hunter's Child in which Steve Pettingill was also involved. (The "HC"in HC 50, stands for Hunter's Child, and is in fact a production version of that boat with more cruising amenities). It was this close relationship between Warren and Lars that led to Warren's whole hearted adoption of the B&R (Bergstom & Ridder) rig in Hunters. Lars, by the way also invented and marketed the Windex wind indicator that every boat now has at their masthead. Warren knew that he was building Chevrolets not Cadillacs, but that was his brand concept. He, like many other builders, also knew that he could not compete in the market with the many used boats available, so had to offer something different that would appeal to people new to sailing as well as to the existing market. The fact that Hunter, along with Catalina and Beneteau, were the last higher volume production builders left in North America speaks well to his marketing concept. I didn't always agree with Warren's concepts, especially in his total commitment to the B&R rig, but it was his company and I have to say he didn't make many mistakes. However, your title was still a little deceiving. ;-)

[@roadboat9216]

So right you are Robert. I met Warren a few times at different events. Listened to him speak at a couple. Very impressive guy. Thanks for the extra info.

[@AMERICANPATRIOT1945]

Robert Mazza, You did some excellent work at Hunter. Your statements about Hunter's very successful line of boats dating back to the seventies up to today are bang on. Hunter never had any illusions about competing with Swan, Baltic, Hinckley, or even somewhat upscale manufacturers such as S2, CSY, Valiant, C&C, Tartan, and others. Many of these brands built for genuine blue water capability, safety, and seaworthiness, but that is not what most people want in a boat. The typical boater, even one who buys a large boat, never goes more than a few miles offshore, and most never leave sight of land. The owners of Hunter knew this and targeted the largest percentage of the market effectively. Hunter very rightly targeted the market for sailors who wanted to do mostly coastal family cruising, day sailing, club events such as raft-ups and club races, all in fair weather. Hunter targeted the market of sailors who want a low priced large boat that pleases their family and who have control over what weather the boat is likely to encounter due to the daysailing and coastal cruising emphasis. This market turned out to be the vast majority of general public sailors. There are far more people who can afford to pay two hundred thousand for a forty or so foot Hunter than a million or more for a Hinckley of the same length. As an added bonus, the Hunter has an interior which is better suited for the typical general public sailor. The fact that Hunter is still in business after the market crash of 2008 is testament to the marketing genius and commitment to building a reasonably well made, safe, roomy boat for a decent price. Most other manufacturers who built for this market are out of business, and not for lack of quality, or they are catering to the rich.

[@stephenbuckle6180]

"don't buy" as a come-on-in strapline is a bit naff and overused, time it was dumped by bloggers and vloggers. But very happy with this gentleman's reviews, and now trawling the internet for Hunters since I'm in the market. Sad that some people and journalists just have to have a kicking stool, Hunters might bounce back as a 'must have' one day🙃.

[@shaunosby5093]

@@mboyer68 Good question I would be very interested to know myself.

[@erickamekonapeper4007]

God Bless you for your contribution to the Sailing ⛵️ World and helping us smaller budget Families have a wonderful Vessel that’s forgiving and easy to Sail well even with low experience. I appreciate it even though I’m very experienced I now find value in an excellent design over sparkly nifty luxury items 😏❤️🖖🏼 Fair Winds Good Sir! 💨

[@robdaziel9750]

I’ve owned many sailboats over my 35 years of old adult sailing and now own a 2007 Hunter 49. Very pleased with the build quality, live aboard space, systems, and handling.

[@sailingperseverance2356]

I own a Hunter 49. Offshore cruiser, great boat. I’ve been in storms offshore with this boat and have never had any issues.

[@chrisd1521]

My family has owned a 2001 Hunter 410 for 10 years (we are the second owner) - we have sailed all over New England with our 3 children and our dog - we have sometimes lived on the boat for weeks and weeks during the summer going from anchorage to anchorage - never once have we regretted it or have we complained about how it sails - we have taken it into high winds with 12 foot seas (not by choice) and it has performed just fine. Everything is accessible and designed to be easily maintained compared to higher end vessels. We look at boats all the time, but we can never justify the higher prices, the lack of room/accommodations, and the difficult to access systems on other sailboats. It is interesting to also see the comments about Bavaria yachts - I sailed a Bavaria 50 for a week - we were 246 miles north of the Arctic Circle and went through a gale force storm with waves at 6 meters (18 ft) once again it did just fine.....trust me I would love to buy a Halberg-Rassy, Little Harbor, or the like - but for a Family of 5 and a dog who wants to sail, be comfortable, and not break the bank (money or time) fixing things - Hunters are great boats!

[@jackdamico7511]

I concur, my wife and I are in our fifty’s and sixty’s. We sail our Hunter 41 along the coasts of New England and most of Long Island. The boat is easy for two to handle. It’s never let us down even some crazy pop up squalls that seem to have become violent. I’ve been sailing since 1982 on all kinds of boats and I don’t know what the dig about Hunter is all about.

[@roadboat9216]

As a US Sailing instructor teaching for the school that certified more ocean sailors than any other (especially on the west coast). We had a fleet of Hunters ,Jenneaus, and Beneteau boats. Up to a 50 boat fleet. Almost all Cruising boats 30-50’. We did a lot of offshore sailing out the Golden Gate. This was often very challenging conditions. I remember bashing up the N. Cal coast into big steep waves trying to get to where I could tuck. We dropped off a big wave with a hole behind it so hard that we flung the radar off of the mast. Ripped it right off! No damage to anything else. In big following seas they seemed to have more control than the afore mentioned boats too. So no, Hunter is not the ideal boat but they absolutely do not deserve the reputation that they have. And while not crazy about the B &R rig, I did love the arch. Now many boats copied this as the did the “margarita seats astern”. Hunter was not afraid to try new things. We had very little problems with the B &R rigs but we also had very experienced riggers to set them up properly. Also don’t forget Mike Harker single handing a Hunter 446 around the world twice! And he had significant physical handicaps.

[@debbyhight8573]

Fred, what size hunter did you take out the gate. Would you take a 36 out?

[@roadboat9216]

@@debbyhight8573 Yes. That was our size range for going out with classes. Typically 36-38. And of course up into the forty plus length, but mostly 36-38. Additionally we had these boats insured for ocean a properly equipped. With all safety gear and beyond. But yes, Hunter 36 just fine properly maintained and equipped. A key factor is being equipped safely. If going more that just poking your nose out the Gate, epirb, mob strobe, life raft, good ground tackle and of course all the coat guard requirements, spare parts, tools vhf, proper navigational tools and know how to use them etc. N. Cal can have some challenging conditions and that includes cold water that you wouldn’t want to be in very long. So at least something that can get you out of the water and an EPIRB. I carry an EPIRB everywhere I sail. Even bay. But yes, have spent a lot of time and miles off shore N CA. In a hunter 36.

[@marshallbrowne5371]

Had a 1989 Hunter legend 40 that I really loved for 6 years. Aft cabin under the cockpit was excellent and 360 deg access to the engine compartment. Plenty of storage and reasonable speed. I checked all the hull tabbing and chainplates all were intact and done properly. The almost flush deck was a nice feature too. It is great for what it was designed for. My 2 cents. YMMV.

[@denisstanley7449]

I have a friend I have known and sailed on his 30 year old hunter for last 15 years. Its a 42 ft Hunter normally resident in the Yacht Club pen in Subic Bay next to My 44 ft Beneteau. His hunter has sailed all over Asia and to Australia from Philippines and is currently sailing around Borneo. For a 30 year old boat its still in extremely good condition with no deterioration in the exterior gel coat or fiberglass and no delaminations or cracks down below. I been sailing for 40 years and his hunter is a great sea boat and great interior lay out and has load of little extras that that are part of the boat. Its sturdy and has little flex in rough weather, I spent 3 days on her in Puerto Galera a few year ago in a typhoon on a mooring. we were swinging side to side in the wind about 160 deg. No I did not have a car tyre on board to throw in the water to slow the swing. The most frightening thing was the constant howl of the wind. Hardly stopped. The were no creaks of groans or strange noises that make you wonder if something is wrong. yes there was the occasional slap of ropes and halyards and deck fittings but most boats creak and groan in rough water. The Hunter did not and still does not. Its to my mind a very well designed and very well built boat probably more so then many newer designs that go more for looks and creature comforts than sea kindly features and peace of mind that something in not going to break.

[@jennifercheney5229]

My 1991 Hunter 30 has been a real joy. It has lived through many a storm here in Florida. It is easy to singlehanded, has a split backstay, spacious interior with much, much more storage and well thought out than similar Catalinas and Beneteaus. I am always amazed at how much more my 30 can store in her transom lockers , cockpit and interior compartments. Not silly open shelving that looks fine as long as you don't use it. Real cabinets with doors. I have had the boat 11 years and am only having to look for a new one now that an improperly moored boat broke free and hit mine during a tropical storm, while mine stayed firm on her mooring.

[@randsnyder]

You really ‘got me going’ with the title of this vid. I bought a Hunter Legend 375 (1993) three years ago in spite of all the negativity. It is a great boat. Sails well, great accommodation, the teak interior is gorgeous, reliable Yanmar power. Good job on the video. Keep up the good work.

[@andrewnims8175]

I like my Hunter 356. I have noticed that many of the worst Hunter bashers don't even own a boat.

[@Broke_Expat]

Thanks for your info and honest thoughts & reviews... Today I was accepted on my offer for a 1986 Hunter 34 in pristine condition. Immaculate inside & out. I'm blown away by how "new" she really is. She'll be my first boat and I am looking forward to the new adventure.. Love your vids, keep up the good work. I'll drop you a thank you via Paypal when I get home for your content & info.. Thanks again. P.S. - I was accepted at 26k in this market..

[@worldfesthouston1455]

We have enjoyed our Hunter 54 since 1984... she was still 'new' then as she had not been sold or titled. This is a superb ocean going sloop. We have had her in offshore storms over 60 knots, never a worry. She sleeps 6 very comfortably. Our "Valkyrie" looks and sails like new. Her hull is superb, light but strong. Lots of room in the cabin, 2 good heads. We added 100 gallon holding tanks for the heads, with power pumps for offshore. She has two big spinnakers, new main and 120 jib. Our daughter grew up on her, learned to walk on her. We will keep her until we go to the great sloop in the sky! (;-) The Kaboda (Universal Atomic - love the name!) has run smoothly since we got her, never a worry! We sail Galveston Bay almost every weekend, and do a few longer cruises each year. They are great values for such a big boat! Big and Safe!

[@matthewmanges7773]

I find it funny how well Catalina is regarded yet just about every 1970s to 1988 27 to 30 (10,000s) boats will need a new compression post, keel-sub and have keel bolt issues as well. The compression post you have rip out the floor and bulkheads. Hunter Cherubini and others you just replace a metal T for a compression post that is easy to get to and etc. The Hunter's are not having the major structural issues that the Catalina's in large numbers. Granted they fixed the issues in 1988 but 10,000 boats is still a lot with these major problems. Not to mention the B&R rig with internal structure is much stronger than stays connected to bulkheads...

[@charlespeckcom]

I love my 1983 hunter 31. Live aboard with very many upgrades. I am 73 with 40 years of sailing and 30 years of living aboard with seafarer and Pearson vanguard as the longest time spent aboard.

[@richardmilliman9231]

I too was curious about the video. I currently own a 1989 Hunter 28. I have no complaints. I have sailed it in heavy weather and light. from 25 knot winds to zero wind. motored it 80 miles. My only advice, if you don't like it, sell it, buy something you do, and sail on. Fair Winds and Following Seas, Richard.

[@davidalbright7335]

My wife and I are full-time cruisers on our '89 Legend 40. B&R rig with split backstays. She sails like a dream and is a very balanced boat. There is a tendency to porpoise a bit, sailing to wind, but she does it quite well. With the proper trim, we have pointed as high as 27 degrees, with new sails. Our first priority, in the selection of a boat was liveability. 3+ years later, we are happy with our choice. Extensive offshore sailing on this boat and no complaints about the interior layout not being conducive to a big seaway. She sails fast and steady and is as solid. I have many complaints about things like electrical and plumbing that are common to all production boats but seaworthiness and safety are not on that list. There is something special about the Legend series boats. You would do well to consider the boats from that series and around that era. No, we don't have the joinery of a Swan but we have more room in the salon on our 40' than on a 65' Swan!

[@gerrycooper56]

We owned a 1991 Hunter 433 (ex charter) which we lived aboard for 5 years. Our plan was to sail from Florida to Australia and when friends and dock mates heard this commented that Hunters weren’t ‘blue water’ boats. Well, we spent 12 months sailing to Australia and didn’t break anything. This doesn’t mean all Hunters are blue water boats, just that if you’re careful ( as you should be) then most trips are possible.

[@joeystiles6764]

There is a lot of confusion on these models. There is the 37, 37.5, and the 375. The 37 legend is the older model with back stay and centerline rear . no sugar scoop. The 37.5 legend is a newer model with back stay and sugar scoop like from 1990-1996. The 375 is the newest Model with no back stay. From 1996 to ? The 1990-1996 legend 37.5 is an awesome boat that is more than capable. Same goes for the 40 and 40.5 legends just more expensive. If you checked out one of the mid 90’s legend in person it should be high on the list compared to other production models.

[@glennmulhare9124]

I've had 3 Hunters a 28.5 a Legend 35 and now a Legend 40.5. Hunter built great boats and it was sad to see them go bankrupt as they were a great company under Warren. They were way ahead of the production industry with all the innovations. I remember the industry laughing at the arch designs, now it's almost standard on beneteaus. Hunter has a huge following of loyal sailors and I still find myself looking for my next. Thinking 456 passage for that huge aft cabin..

[@robertbrown374]

I have a 1988 Hunter Ledgend 35.5 and I love it. No issues.

[@peterstevens1344]

We had a hunter 36 for over 10 years and still think it is one of the best boats for the great lakes. It sails much better and faster than non hunter owners typically think. Lot’s of space and never had any significant issues with the build quality. Directly downwind wasn’t great, but altering course slightly off true downwind always worked. It could point very high into the wind with speed.

[@MrSeamaster1998]

I went from west to east twice, first in 1998 Hunter 450 cc and second in 2003 hunter 456 cc and both had no problem and I still use what I bought in 2003

[@svfreewill2714]

We went from a full keel cutter rigged Bayfield to a B&R rigged Hunter 410 and couldn't be happier. Our boat has the go fast options of a deep draft keel (6'6") made of lead not cast iron, and a slab reefed mainsail. We further improved the sailing performance when getting new sails by going with a square topped main (something you can do when there isn't a backstay) with full battens, and vertical battens in the 110 headsail. We can sail wing on wing but lose a bit of VMG over sailing at a deep broad reach. I prefer deep broad reaching as there are less accident gybe risks and less rolling. However there are times when sailing between two islands in a narrow area where we need to sail wing on wing and do just fine. The boat sails very well, is close winded for a comfortable boat, and is extremely easy to maneuver in close quarters. The only real negatives are the high side decks which can make stepping off a challenge, and I would have preferred a little more locker space in the cockpit. Otherwise I far prefer the boat to the Bene 423, and Bavaria 42 from the same era. We carry 600 litres of water and 180 litres of diesel., and have 750 a/hrs of house bank. They are not just great boats for the dollar, they are great boats period. kzbin.info/www/bejne/jZCvpGWqltmHaJI

[@wckoek]

Nice to see someone who owns a 410 with actual experience with other boats. Do you feel that the 410 tend to hobby horse a little? I have read reviews that mentioned they tended so at certain angles of wind. I have been eyeing one for sale at a good price.

[@workski2]

I own a Hunter Passage 450, one of the larger boats. It is a small 2 bedroom apartment on the water. But....I have taken it on the water a lot, and each time I take her out it is a blast. I am not the original owner. Upgrades that came with the boat has made it very capable. My only wish for my Hunter is that I am not yet retired and able to spend more time on her and more time on the water. I intend to keep my Passage 450 until my bitter end.

[@andybones1847]

I've been looking for a solid used sail boat for two years now and after stepping on several boat manufacturers I narrowed my search down to Hunter, so the title of this video got my attention. All I can say is you sneaky little devil, you got me. I basically came to the same conclusions and I've been impressed by the brand. Jealousy is so unbecoming.

[@billdonaldson2303]

We have a 450 passage CC our first yacht. I found this to be a great boat. I have a larger head sail and this boat travels downwind a a decent speed. She is a very forgiving boat and since we bought it, it’s amazing how many comments we get on how it looks beautiful. Being new sailors, I don’t regret buying a hunter for a moment. My only complaints so far is the high freeboard. Having strong wind broadside with no sail out, it does heel more than I,d like and because she is deemed to be at a dock most of the time, it has a 110v refrigerator which, I hope to change to 12volt in the near future so we can keep everything cold while out for prolonged periods. Lots of water and fuel storage, a huge master cabin with a tub and shower and tons of living space is a bonus because, this is our planned live aboard retirement home in a year or 2. We looked at other production boats and for sure, bang for the buck. We love our Hunter. 👍

[@vetercrew85]

We went for a 2004 Hunter 306 last year, something we never thought we'd buy. We were sold on the headroom down below (we're all over 6' tall) and the space in the cockpit for our whole family. To our surprise, she's fast, too! The one thing I don't like is that she only has 2 winches. I'd prefer 4.

[@corradoarmagni8977]

Ho avuto un hanter 29.5 e sono stato contentissimo....greetings from Italy

[@thomastaylor2019]

Amongst serious sailors, rightly or wrongly, they got a reputation for designing the boat interior to be as comfy as possible and then fitting a hull around it. This after they left racer cruisers behind. And, they got a reputation as poor sailing boats with the racer cruiser crowd. We looked at a Hunter Marlowe 33 at a boat show because a friend had just put down a deposit on one. The first thing I always do is to walk the deck and imagine myself doing same in a big sea. No issues, but I saw that the waste pump-out fitting was literally 1/2 inch from a water inlet. Hmmm. Then I looked in the anchor locker and saw that it was really shallow such that the chain was likely to bunch up and jam the windlass. The cabins were absolutely great. A sales person asked what I thought - I very politely told her of my two issues on the deck. She just turned around and walked away!

[@mytime1613]

I owned a 1975 Hunter Cherubini 27. I was a very good boat. All the boats the John Cherubini was involved with were good until 1981.

[@crustycobs2669]

Very articulate and sentimental look at boat designs. You're right about purpose-built vs. local cruiser capabilities. Hunters do have great interior design and other points, great for Bay-sailors.

[@robertklement5811]

I’ve had a Hunter legend 37 1988. for almost 30 years and it still a great boat .

[@bulaquenaicreatingmemories]

We just bought Hunter 320, we love everything about it....

[@alexlipzer4952]

you are so right about the Hunter HC50... im the proud owner of the #001 Hull ... went to see this boat at the Miami Boat Show with two friends and 13 years later I ended up with the boat.Steve Pettengil and Warren Luhrs were responsible of the design of this boat. Any place we go, everybody ask about our rigging,water ballast, etc... very fast boat. Other than the new racing boats on foils... no other boat get my attention ....

[@RedemptionReady]

I fly a Bene now but I've had and love the Hunters. Had an 88' 30-2 named her Exodus. B&R rig, raked mast but she was one with the backstay. Bacon sails in Annapolis had to come out and take 3D measurements of the rig as they never get calls to make sails on a bent mast setup. 30' with a 56' mast. Odd right. Huge inside and over 7kts speed in 15kt winds. Never lost a race. Btw, when you guys were anchored that year you were just off our shore dock... We passed you a few times. I showed my wife your videos while we were out daysailimg. The 50C is a rare bird!!! Very rare. Luhrs was a PA resident where i live. When his estate went up for sale we took a lot of his books out prior to sale. But Marlow Hunter didn't want them. Has his notes and hand written ideas in them. I'm holding onto them till they mean what i think they are worth to them, then they can have them.

[@clifflong1203]

My 85 Hunter 40 has everything we want.., including a back stay😎

[@budlake9361]

I just subscribed today. I was one of the ones that out on the water for the first time in a sailboat . I seen that all that had in it . I had a Blast on the water . One can live in a sailboat and go all over and have a wonderful time in one .I was looking at. A 27f put I seen what a 30f is like the Hunters is super nice.

[@markkrajnik]

So a Hunter 37.5 wouldn't be a good Caribbean cruiser im a little confused as the boat im looking at spent allot of time there??

[@6r4metroman]

My 375 (1994) has a backstay and I love it. Loads of room inside, it sails very well, out classes a lot of other boats I've sailed with...

[@jimgoodwin9904]

After owning a Hunter Vision 32, (which has a VERY strange rig) I wanted a larger liveaboard. After looking at a lot of boats, I ended up finding and purchasing a Hunter 466 this spring. It has been amazing! She is roomy and beautiful, an absolute dream to sail, and I couldn't be happier!

[@DVolvoguy777-x7o]

After looking at boats when I was younger I settled on a Hunter 42 Passage. Almost mine but a bike accident took that away.

[@denisstanley7449]

Your comment about the lack of a back stay is noted. If you have a close look at many late model boats there is no back stay, cats included, have no back stay. In mast main sails are crap. But they look good. , Are they for cruising boats,. probably not. I dislike furling my head sails but I can not lift them as they are too bloody big and heavy so changing my head sails and hanking on a smaller one is not an option when sailing short handed and most times we all sail shorthanded. You and your lady. I have twin back stays on my Beneteau and regardless of what out modern trends are or the experts design I would not go into the ocean on a long voyage without a back stay and preferably an inner fore stay and spreaders to the width of my deck. Why, simply because it just give the mast some more support to prevent it breaking or falling over, I have not done the math but I think too much emphasis has been placed on having cruising and day sailers with racing style riigs rather than strong well supported structures, I never found it necessary when I was cruising to have to point so hard to make a mark. I just ease off to keep the boat sailing fast and give it power to cut through the waves and tack if i really have to. Watch a video of a yacht sailing into ocean swell and watch the pitch back and forward. Look at the movement back and forward of the top of the mast and the sails. The mast pitches forward and stops dead as it ploughes into a wave and then pitches back as it climbs the swell and forward and back. And you dont have backstay. Maybe not necessary but I think a very cheap way of strengthening your rig.

[@gentleviking4429]

As a proud owner of British Hunter I would like to stress that this clip refer to the the American Hunter Legend, in UK trading as Legend boats. They are very different boats although the rigging is similar. The factional rig is used in many boat designs these days. The British Hunter boats started life as racing boats back in the 60 and first designed by Oliver Lee, and later David Tommas, bight designers highly respected designers in the industry. I don’t know enough about the American Hunter, but our Hunter are well respected and enjoyed sailing even in a strong breeze. So if you want a strong seaworthy Hunter boat that will look after you have a look at the British Hunter.

[@GulfCoastTim]

I love my Hunter 33. There's a reason Hunter and Catalina are still around all these years. Great boats.

[@joeblow2355]

Our hunter 34 saved our lives on numerous occasions, storms like many ppl couldn't believe. I own me life to that boat! Maybe you make some great points, but the yanmar engine and hull saved our lives LITERALLY. And maybe because it was a 90's boat. I haven't had a newer one. But I respect your opinion and haven't had a new one. Also I didn't hear a single negative comment about Hunter? Is the title wrong?

[@erwinmcqueen2618]

Before you bash Hunters you better take a look at some of the later models, especially Marlow Hunters. We have a Hunter 380 that we love and it is CE A rated, has top of the line equipment, Selden rig, Furlex furling, Lewmar winches, Harken traveler, Shafer blocks, interior has a Force 10 3 burner range, keel is lead with 1" stainless steel bolts, hull deck joint is through bolted every 6 - 8 inches with 3M 5200, all mounting points for stantions, wenches ect have aluminum backing plates molded into the fiberglass. We went through Marlow Hunters plant in 2017 as well as Catalina's plant, I am a automotive product design engineer as well as expert cabinet maker and overall I would place Hunter and Catalina about the same although I would give Hunter the edge for overall quality. We went to the 2017 Miami sailboat show and Marlow Hunter had there 47 there and as far as fit and finish and quality I would give it hands down the best sailboat in the show. I would say back when I first got into sailing in the early 80's Hunter did have some quality issues we had a 1976 8M S2 which at the time was one of the top line boats and we had seen some Hunters of this era had a bit to desire and at this time I would give Catalina the edge. Beneteau and Jeanneau used to have some very nice interiors, however, the new ones with the euro interiors look very cheap like I would expect to see in a travel trailer, if you compare the specs of the new Beneteau and Jeanneau's you will find across the board less tankage, smaller engines and less weight than a Hunter or Catalina. We looked at a couple used 40' Beneteau's mid late 90's one had servere cracking of the gellcoat all over the deck and another had carbon steel keel bolts that were only about 5/8 dia and so rusty I would not take the boat out for fear of the iron keel falling off. I asked at the boat show how the hull deck joint was done one the Beneteau's and I was told the used an adhesive sealer with a few sheet metal screws. No a Hunter is not a Island Packet, Amel, Hinkley or Swan but if these were the only boats on the market I would not be able to afford a sailboat.

[@LadyKSailing]

Watch the video chuck

[@erwinmcqueen2618]

@@LadyKSailing i did watch the video, it sounded like you were mostly bashing Hunters. I have not heard you bash the Beneteau's yet there construction is not any better and I can point out where the new ones are much cheaper looking.

[@michaellippmann4474]

Wow...yes a bit of click bait there. I have owned MANY sailboats in my lifetime...we have owned sailed our 1984 Hunter 31 and am very pleased with it. We know it's limitations and we completely rebuilt the boat in 2003 when we bought it. As far as a production sailboat it has typical problems that Catalina, C and C, Mirage, all pretty much have. All production boats have their own issues with quality, etc., Our boat cruises well for my wife and I, it all races very well in our local PHRF fleet and we have killed many boats that we shouldn't beat but we still do! My wife and I love this boat that we have sailed for 18+ years. So whatever pleases you I suppose and yes I also like the Legend 37.5 as well! Great video....Thanks Mike 🇨🇦 🍁 👍

[@brianmacadam4793]

I'm glad you're talking about the newer version, my brothers 33 is "bullet proof" has a proper backstay, a HUGE cabin and sails like a witch, particularly off the wind.

[@trevorlahey1956]

Mine will go damn near up wind

[@ylemoine1]

Great objective summary. I have a 2015 MH37, as you showed in your video, and love it. No quality issues at all. It is a coastal cruiser, as you’ve described all production boats, with tons of space. I find I can out perform most other cruisers of my size and slightly larger, but my sails are new in comparison and I’m a previous racer that knows how to trim a boat for speed. My only complaints are the chain locker which is undersized and minor gelcoat cracking that all newer production boats seem to suffer from. On the B&R rig, I love it in combination with the mainsheet arch. Opens up the cockpit and makes trimming the boom supper easy. My main is huge in comparison to other boats and although the sweptback spreaders limit the ability to let the main out, the extra main sail area more than compensates and propels the boat downwind admirably. Adding a genaker or code zero and a whisker pole solves downwind performance. Yes, the added cross stays add complexity to the rig, but once you learn how to tension the rig, you can get a much better static and absolutely rigid shape from the rig than you will ever get from a rig with a backstay. I have in-mast furling so knowing the rig will furl regardless of wind speed is priceless. When I see in-mast fullers that have jammed the rigs almost always have too much rake in them. And, if you want to add rake while sailing you can always add running back stays to better work the main. But then why did you buy in-mast furling? All my two cents worth. I know my boat could cross an ocean, and know a few hunters that have. I’m not likely to do it, but that’s not how I use the boat. Perfect coastal cruiser for my needs.

[@justinsteele5822]

We own a 2004 H41 for med cruising and we absolutely love it with it’s aforementioned volume and no back stay. It’s got the space of a 50 ⛵️👍

[@jacobrothschild42936]

We bought a hunter 40 legend last year and this is our first boat being new to sailing. We've taken it out in up to 25 knot winds so far and as we get used to it we see that boat continues to be ok. The boat has been around our marina well before we owned it and everyone there that had been on our boat says if they had to get stuck on lake michigan in bad weather, they'd rather be on our boat than theirs. Comforting to here as a newbie.

[@TheCornucopiaProject-bd5jk]

I used to own a 1979 Hunter 30’ with teak trim (not deck). It was a great boat, 6’ keel and heavy. So much space. Loved the boat. Now I own a 1963 Seawind 30. 4.5’ keel and so small on the inside. Probably a better cruiser though.

[@NeverBeenThereBefore]

I love mine.. the lack of a back stay makes the back area completely free to walk around in without whacking your head. The livabiltity is just excellent. I do agree that it affects it's downwind performance, but i have to say I'm not racing, so having the sail up against the shrouds doesn't bother me so much. To your point, this is a cruiser boat and I think it does that very well. I've seen people cross the Atlantic in 50 year old 24 foot tub, i would feel reasonably comfortable making the passage in mine (450 Passage).

[@swamperdog4558]

Thanks for the vid! I'm considering buying a trailerable hunter 23 for cruising along the Gulf Coast of Florida. I was concerned with all the bashing but your video helped with debunking some of the haters!

[@1462hobie]

Fair analysis. I had an '86 Legend 37 in Florida, and I agree with what you said: it was perfect for coastal cruising, the Gulf, and racing PHRF in Pensacola Bay. It sailed like a witch, but had all the creature comforts for a nice weekend on the hook or a night at the dock, which was an important selling feature for the wife. Furthermore, I'm 6'3'' and had standing headroom everywhere in the salon. I'm also not sure of any other 37-footers that have a centerline berth in the aft stateroom. The boat had its issues, but what 35 year old boat doesn't? Cheers!

[@pjmullin8309]

You summed it up well. Rumors of being cheaply made and the B&R rig make them a target for those that consider themselves the sailing elite.

[@falkpatt]

Lack of being able to go wing-on-wing would be my smallest concern with a Hunter. In my experience wing on wing is generally the same or slower VMG than broad reaching, less comfortable (especially with the rolling motion in large seas). You're also less maneuverable going wing on wing when using a pole. I can't think of a situation that wing-on-wing would be preferable, really, but that's just my experience. My biggest concern with a B&R rig would be upwind performance. Not having a backstay, or better yet an adjustable backstay, means you can't tension the forestay and flatten out he main, which would suck for sailing close-hauled. B&R's are probably best for beam or broad reaching, just a guess because i've never sailed on one and am no authority on them.

[@sailingin-tuitionwithchuck]

I have 2002 hunter 356 with B&R rig, no back stay. I appreciate your fair comments. I dont have any problems going up wind, but I am not racing... so maybe there maybe a little performance that I am missing out on. but my boat seems to do just fine compared to other boats I encounter on the bay.

[@michaelgeraghty3989]

I've owned two Hunters, including a 2004 41, which I owned for 15 years. Because of the rigging it is not a blue water boat. However, I sailed to Catalina from LA at least 50 times on those two boats and they always performed great, even when singlehanded in 30 knots of wind. The 41 was the ultimate "go to Catalina" sailboat - easy to handle singlehanded, very roomy, super comfortable. The lack of a traditional backstay is great for dinghy access when you're hauling groceries or have a beer in you hand. I've also owned 2 Norsemans and a Cal . I went through a Cat 1 hurricane in a Norseman 447...it's legit blue water boat. Wouldn't want to do that in a Hunter. I've day raced on a Hunter 2007 49 quite a bit and it was also a great boat.

[@1markvchs]

LOVE our Hunter380! Sails great with tons of room below and in the cockpit! Our liveaboard😎😁

[@krystalsmith137]

Have you ever done any open ocean passages on it? I keep being drawn to the Hunters as a live aboard, but keep hearing so many different opinions 😔

[@nelson6236]

Lived aboard my Hunter 375 for 6 years...loved it.

[@TAMBestBuild]

Every brand had its place. I have owned three Hunters (24, 36, 41) and love them all. People who bash them haven't owned them and generally regurgitate the same critiques they've heard from others. I get a ton of compliments on my current 41DS almost every time I go out. How many sailors are crossing oceans? Almost none. I can go anywhere on the East Coast US with no concerns at all. Growing up as a Hobie racer, I love the big main-small jib arrangement, it makes sense to me. It makes single handing a 41' boat a breeze. Love the arch, love the jib winches at the helm, love the main sheet at the end of the boom, love the space, tons of space, and the boat sails just great. We do well in club racing. Glenn Henderson did great things for Hunter. No, it's not a Tartan or J boat, but it's also half the price and twice the room. It's no worse or better than a Beneteau, Catalina or other mass produced boats. Also: there are a ton of Hunter owners on the forums that can answer any questions or problem you have. I can afford a much more expensive brand but I choose not to. Too bad they are no longer making boats in the US and French manufactures are taking the market.

[@TheWumps]

Love the new theme. I’ve been telling some of my sailing channel friends for awhile that somebody ought to do a Doug Demuro style “quirks and features” series for sailboats. Well done.

[@SailingChannels]

I agree with your points about the HC50 (beautiful design) and I also agree with that comment the owner made. It looked tiny inside - cavernous actually! Hull speed is 16.65 km/h btw. Great video!

[@timhardman4764]

Hull speed 9 knots. I was shocked when I saw a hull speed of 16.65. I did not notice it was Km/h as typically stated.

[@sgp9700]

Thanks for the historical rundown of Hunter boats, nicely done. I'm a first time stick boat owner, and opted for a 1985 28.5, which I picked up for dirt cheap, and am really liking the boat. The engine was rebuilt just before I picked it up, (YES, the previous owner did it right, and it runs), the hull is solid, no soft spots, as is the top deck. I picked it up just north of Annapolis, MD, and sailed it down to it's current location in Southern MD, about 130 NMs. I took 3 days to get acquainted with It's set up for single pilot running, and since I hadn't been on a boat for almost 25 years, the shake down cruise was more for me than for the boat. Am in the process of new bottom paint, attempting to 'restore' the above water gel coat.... will see how it goes. Any tips you might have as in upgrades, (I plan on throwing on an auto pilot in the future, and have a transom arch to install), I would be more than appreciative on your opinion. Again, thanks for the video, and wish you the best on future endeavors. -Scott

[@roypesta7713]

Have a Hunter 30. Sails wonderful and fairs well during storms. No complaints as of yet.. 3 yrs owning

[@svmagnolia]

Thought I was going to have to unsubscribe after seeing the title. Great video and excellent discussion about Hunters, though, and you were dead on with the problem of being able to let the main out all the way for wing on wing due to swept back spreaders of the B&R rig. All things considered, though, I'm pretty happy with my H410!

[@DVolvoguy777-x7o]

91-92 Hunter Passage 42 has everything one needs, beautiful interior and blue water capable. Almost had one too.

[@vial1sim]

I think I may have said this before but, it was on a 5000 mile delivery of a 2001 hunter 46 that completely changed my mind about production boats. As for the B&r rig it does give you a very large main with lots of roach or a square head. It would appear to mimic a catamaran rig. Hope you get to the Caribbean in 2021/2 season would love to catch up.

[@houssamhammoudi1982]

Hey Simon. Is there a way I could contact you? My wife and I love the hunters( also what we can affoard) we feel we can get a good boat for the money spent. However, we want a permanent loveaboard, travel the world, circumnavigate with two kids. I work from home so no problem at all. The only concern we have is the reputation of Hunter from what we can tell on forums as explained on this video. Since you made a delivery crossing oceans etc.. can you please let us know what hunter to buy , what boat to avoid etc... thanks Sammy

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[@erickamekonapeper4007]

In Washington State it helps a lot to have an adjustable Backstay for light wind 🌬 which is our primary conditions here. We really have to watch the Tides and Current here and use proper Seamanship. 😏❤️🖖🏼⛵️🇺🇸

[@Abc-kf4qx]

I’ve been sailing my hunter for years. Great lay out, huge cockpit, easy to sail, and all for a reasonable price. As to the quality, mine has been solid and is holding up well. I’d recommend one if I were asked. At the end of the day she’s your boat and you’re the one who’s gotta be happy. Fair winds

[@bobtoudouze85]

As a proud owner of a Hunter 50 center cockpit I take objection to your overview of Hunter boats. Few boats, production of not offer the amenities and high and dry comfort of this vessel. At 40,000 pounds, it is comparable to many none production center cockpits at half the cost. For a cruising family, this boat should not be overlooked.

[@kemron94]

I’m a relatively inexperienced sailor and have studied many many boats tours etc. trying to figure out the boat I would want and have arrived at the Hunter 50 centre cockpit. Great to hear you like yours so much.

[@SV-DEDICATED]

I was looking at some fairly high-end boats. Hunters weren't even on my list as an option. My broker talked me into looking at a Hunter. I immediately realized the bang for buck factor. My Hunter 41 Deck Salon interior has more solid wood than Beneteau or Jeanneau.

[@rbshedd]

Appreciate this breakdown on Hunter's. I own a '76 cherubini/ Hunter, 37' cutter rig. Chesapeake Bay. Been thinking about upsiziing in my retirement but, I think I'll just put my money into upgrading mine.

[@peterpan566]

I own two lake Hunter sailboats, a 1976 27’ and a 2006 31’ and both are great/wonderful family or single handed cruisers. Regarding the B&R rig downwind, I pull out the spinnaker all the time and she takes off - beautiful! I have sailed on many different brands in the Great Lake/ BC coast and Hunter makes high quality boats for the price point, the people that complain don’t own one, period.

[@stevenf927]

A couple of things: Not having a backstay means that you can have a large roached mainsail - but with in mast furling you can't have any roach. Even if you use vertical battens with in mast furling you can't have significant roach to the sail. An adjustable backstay and a fractional rig gives you the ability to depower the main and tighten the forestay - the net effect is reduced heeling and improved performance. When Hunter went under, it was actually the parent company that went under - Hunter was still profitable. The Hunter Legend series isn't exceptionally fast. A similar length Beneteau First or J Boat would smoke it. Badly. And it isn't my opinion - just look at the PHRF handicap values. On the other hand, the Legend series are nice boats and can be a very good value. Correct me if I'm wrong, but currently Marlow-Hunter isn't producing boats anywhere near the level of their traditional competitors (Beneteau, Catalina, etc). I haven't seen them at the Annapolis Boatshow in years, or seen ads for them in sailing publications.

[@sartorst3376]

Well done. Most of the Hunter owners that I met were first time no or low experienced boat owners that didn't know boat ownership is a PIA . And I think your jealousy thing is a good point I have heard the comment that the interior is so big you will fall around inside at sea ? The CAPTAIN of the boat will be the determining factor of the boats abilities

[@sailingin-tuitionwithchuck]

thx for the mostly fair review. I have a 2002 h356 shoal draft. i saw one comment that the rudders on boats like mine are deeper than the keel; mine is not. I rarely need or want to sail directly down wind. if I did, a boom preventer and gennaker would address that. it has a great cabin. nice v berth and and full size queen in the aft cabin. I think the build quality is atleast as good as catalina, benetea, etc of the same Era and size; maybe better is some cases. check sailboat data, most of the numbers are better for it than the closest catalina, a cat 350. I have the b&r rig with selden in-mast furling. the more I sail it the more I like it. one advantage to the big main and smaller jib is that I can furl in the main as wind picks up and leave the jib fully deployed. furling the main doesn't have much (if any) impact on the shape of the main. and my jib is still going strong. I am very happy with my H356. let me know if I should delete the link below: kzbin.info/www/bejne/oX2wiHaDdryioNk

[@foreverendeavors6210]

I worked at hunter for 10 years, last few years 03/04 doing engine stage on the 44, I always felt like they were a solid build seeing everything from the inside, I am really just now being drawn tawrds sailing and could see buying one should the right deal come along..

[@gdadamos2302]

1982 Hunter Cherubini 27 Tall Mast here, 2nd owner, total restore big time repairs $$$$,,2 year project,,, gunwale shrouds are a set back for footing the jib at close haul, but other than that she sailed very good, for the little time I had to sail,,

[@melonboi186]

Hunter is a great company I have a 2002 Hunter 240 and it is fast, stable, spacious and great quality,

[@elelegidosf9707]

I owned a 1986 Hunter 23, which was way better designed and more advanced than the Catalina 22 it replaced. The only issue with it was its 2 foot draft wing keel, which made it useless for going upwind as the boat would just be pushed sideways. So much so that whenever I wanted to go upwind I would just drop the sails and start the outboard. But, that aside, it was a good boat.

[@bbell37968]

Have had a Hunter 36 and a 50. Both great boats with zero issues. Agree there is a stigma and reputation that has never made sense to me. Class A at extreme value.

[@JohnRohanShield]

I love my Hunter 36. It's the most comfortable boat I have ever seen in that size that also has plentiful storage. Like the video says, the rig limits your options going downwind BUT that's what a spinnaker is for. Also, Hunter got a bad rep because it did have a couple years where quality suffered.

[@markevans1838]

I specifically searched for the down side of hunter I have been looking at several sailboat designs and finally ran across the hunter and yes the roomy and aft cabin won me hands down so before I dumped money in any boat I try and find out any structural problems and seeing your channel I had to view so thank you for you honest assessment with no drama I'm still stuck on hunter. I have been thinking that you had to have 50 ft or more to have room until I ran across the hunter wow 37 is more that enough and going fast really dissent appeal to me as of now but in time I'm sure I'll second guess that but for now as long as I'm just going to new destinations and cultures and getting to experience them I'm content again thank you for your vid

[@swimcat2333]

Took sailing lessons on 27ft Hunter, used to put all the sails up - over powered -- stall some reduce sail as needed, very forgiving little boat

[@CawffeeTyme]

My ex and I were looking at a legend 40.5 about 6 years ago, I keep kicking myself that we didn't get it, cause she wanted something newer like the 44ac. There was so much to love about the legend, and a small refit would have made that boat "amazeballs".

[@FamiliaGahPaz]

I'm selling my hunter legend 43 in North Carolina.

[@charlesm903]

Like other posts, this should be retitled. I had a Hunter 36 and wanted to size up. Looked at other production boats before zeroing on a Hunter 41. Very happy with my choice realizing everything is a trade off, including value/price.

[@pierremitham2964]

The "production" hunters also have externally turned hull deck flanges which is consisdered one of the weakest joints ( but easiest for production assembly) also every "shoal draft" hunter i have seen of this era tends to have rudders deeper than their shoal drat keels ( you cal usually tell if they've been aground but teh lack of antifouling on the bottom 6-8 inches of the rudder). that's really bad! though I do like the cockpit and interior layouts too! Hunter vision is a very interesting boat too!

[@lesrosester]

Excellent analysis……. as I Hunter 375 I concur with all observations and opinions. Very balanced.

[@SailingCoffeecup]

Definitely agree ... I have a 78 hunter 30. The build is definitely more soild than a newer hunter. It's a great coastal cruiser.

[@joytekb]

I don't know much about boats ,but i have seen one boat in Gdynia and it is the most beautiful boat, or even design structure I have ever seen .She is sailing around Antarctica. The crew were first to circumnavigate on sailboat south of 60 paralel , name is Katharsis 2 .It is British design Oyster 72.

[@ylemoine1]

Love these summaries from you. Well done. Can you add a little about what Marlow is doing with the brand? They no longer seem to have a dealer network and haven’t been to a boat show in four years. Google maps street view of the Florida factory show dinghy sailboats in the parking lot for sail and the rest of the yard seems shut down with a few moulds and boat stands stacked up. Maybe they’ve moved production? Are they selling direct to owner now?

[@gonefishing1939]

I was told to never buy a McGeger sailboat, it was my fist sailboat. i have so so many great memories on that old boat. No, i wasnt cruising the Bahamas so it was perfect for us. not everyone can ignore the price of a boat, count yourself as very lucky to even make a video like this. i dont own a Hunter but still it offends me. not sure if i like this vid. Never??? really?? says you! i know plenty of happy Hunter owners.

[@azmike1956]

No back stay means less interference when navigating the aft section of deck, transom & swim platform.

[@erickamekonapeper4007]

I always thought of Hunter like the Bayliner of Sailing ⛵️. It’s great use of space and decent accommodation with modern design but it’s a plastic mess sorta. Everything stacked on top of each other for maintaining it’s a nightmare and complicated with structural design. But…., it’s reliable for awhile after proper maintenance is observed so it’s up to the need of the people operating. I would love to have a Hunter for Cruising around Western Washington State and mostly the San Juan Islands 😏❤️🖖🏼🇺🇸

[@barrywiles9831]

been a member of a legend 29 built by luhrs in England 2001. great boat .bilge keel been in a force 10 .ish no worries. excellent comfortable accommodation

[@timstone3441]

Well this is from the H240, H260 and all the larger Hunters with the B & R rig no back stay. I agree the idea was a really large main and a smaller jib although most owners increase the jib 130 for example. No you don’t want to go with a 150 or larger jib because of the B & R rig an lack of a back stay puts tremendous pressure on the side shrouds and mast. But I wouldn’t say no likes a Hunter. For lake a costal sailing you can’t beat them..

[@jimmiller5600]

Thank you for reminding viewers, especially newbies, that different tools (boats) work best for different jobs (sailing objectives).

[@AndyKimbel]

Really like the Marlow Hunter 50. Pretty much the same hull as the popular 49, with greatly improved fit and finish along with a few other enhancement upgrades. Never sailed one, nor the 49, but it does seem like a very attractive boat. If the performance matches or comes close to the beauty of the interior, it probably is a buy compared to the Beneteau 49/50 and equivalent Jeanneau. I guess Catalina's entry in that range of boat would be the 470. Which do you like? Have you sailed the H-50 aft cockpit?

[@troyburton7187]

I'm currently fixing some topside and a massive hole in the side of a 1990 hunter 35.5 and iv been absolutely alarmed about the way the fiberglass layers and the foam insulation have been constructed. So the hole that's in the side of the haul is halfway between the water line and the free board. I the water line runs right through the middle of the repair. The best way for me to explain what I'm seeing is to call it 3 separate layers outer, foam, and inner. The outer layer is SO thin it's crazy like 3/16" if that and the perforated foam is like 1/8" I'm not sure how thick the inner haul is but the separation of the foam and outer layer freaks me out. The top side behind the mast is also notably thin. So thin it's hard to create a nice layered seam between the new glass work and the factory stuff. Any advice, guidance or suggestions might make me feel better about what I'm seeing. Thanks and have a wonderful day

[@jacobsmithjr]

I know NOTHING about sail boats but I found your video very interesting and informative. Well done sir!

[@lachielvaher9168]

funny last week I flew down to Florida to look at a Hunter Legend 37 only reason I am not makeing an offer is I want to wait until after my Bareboat certification course in January :D... love the 37 shoal draft so much

[@jeffdenomme8897]

The shoal draft is great for when they drop the level of the Great Lakes at the tail end of the season and youre still able to have access to almost every shallow harbour.

[@WickedMonkey3D]

Agree, also useful in the Bahamas. But like Erie is far closer to home

[@atrueearthling4326]

This made me want to get one, lol 😂