Don't Buy An RV! - Lehto's Law Ep. 45

[@gregblack3860]

I have heard this from a rv sales manager buddy. I told him my wife and I are thinking about traveling in a rv.He told me to buy a van size rv or nothing. You can still have trouble with things like stoves and such but the body and motor and chassis are made by ford or chevy or?. My wife suggested buying a new 911 Porsche and staying in nice hotels. Love her.

[@c18888]

Why would I read all the documents, I’m old and tell them I can’t read the fine print and I need them to read it all to me. Yes, they get very angry, but I just say it isn’t me who wrote the binder of fine print.

[@TinyHomeTours]

We live and travel full time in our RV and would not trade it for anything. There are highs and lows but the positives heavily outweigh the negatives. I have had problems on the road and was able to get into reputable shops a few days later with a manageable bill. I do agree everyone should be careful when purchasing their RV and you are correct about the salespeople treating you like a king during the purchase and be done with you after. If you are seriously considering purchasing an RV I highly suggest purchasing from someone who has been living full time in their RV and have it checked by a secondary party before purchase.

[@ACEJONES]

tell em Chris!

[@dennisflora6205]

+Chris & G Travels I love your video's. I follow you guys all the time.Glad to see you found this guys video. I got a real kick out of it. Im still buying my new motorhome. I can't wait to get out of this dam house. Dennis

[@lcclony9460]

+Chris & G Travels This applies to most anything you buy this day and age, in regards to purchasing new or even used. Its buyer beware.

[@timrover]

+Chris & G Travels I just ran across this channel, Thank God I did not buy new. When I upgrade again I will be buying used and hopefully locating the original owner. I've located the original owner of my current rig because of the record keeping as well as the documentation was outstanding. These dealership just pat you in the butt ;) and toasting it up until you drive off the lot.

[@SD-om1kg]

+Chris & G Travels I'm with Chris...there are some negatives but the positives truly outweigh the negatives. Spend time reading through the blogs and websites on the RV you are looking to purchase. Check warranties and engage other folks. You'll quickly be able to weed out the good from the bad. Also, if something looks to good to be true then it is! Take the time to call a few service centers to find out the service turn-around times. This may seem like alot of prep work but when you're stranded on the side of the highway in the middle of nowhere you'll wish you would have spent the time.

[@teamja1088]

This makes so much sense to me now. As a kid my family always spent summers in our RV that we bought from Sonny's RV in South Carolina. Our trips were mostly driving a day or three to somewhere we would setup shop at, then spend a week or so at that place without running the RV because it was hooked up to the campground utilities. When we were done with our trip, we would drive it back to my great grandmother's house where it sat until.... until it went back to Sonny's, which was usually because something broke during our 1-2 week long yearly trip. It spent most of the year at Sonny's RV getting "repaired" (really more like putting a bandaid on a broken arm) just so we could use it for a couple few weeks each year. Nope. I will never buy one based on the experience my family had with ours in the 80's and 90's (despite they bought four new RVs over the decades - ALL of them were junk - all were different manufacturers - all of them from Sonny's RV).

[@djf2918]

YOU Sir have changed my mind, don't need that kind of problem period.. GREAT VIDEO!

[@cll1out]

Honestly no matter how bad at it you are building your own out of a school bus or something would yield a better quality product. Some of these RVs I've seen are built to be so thin and lightweight it's a wonder they can handle the wind on the interstate.

[@jeg5438]

This should be mandatory for potential TV buyers to watch. The research I did, it was beyond belief. How many people know the tires that are on the RV you are looking at are not rated for long distance. They'll crap out before you get to your first destination. So your second purchase will be for a complete set of tires. And on it goes. So anyway I bought a 97 Ford Econoline van. Took the seats out. It's taken me from the Midwest to Seattle, down to LA, back up to ND and then down to Florida for the winter. Why a van? Because I don't like paying for a spot to sleep. Done this for a year and I've paid probably 7 times. Last one was at Sturgis SD last week. One nite, $15, shower and parking spot.

[@channingrhodes6756]

This is one of the best videos I've seen. My buddy purchased a new RV from a dealership and abrenounced to him they were using this RV for "Parting" . This dealership was using his RV to take TV's, AC units and any other items you can think of to sell other RV's. So when he took possession of his "new" RV he had a TV that didnt fit in his RV, no AC running and told to come back later and they would install a new one. The wire harness was cut when they took out the AC unit oh and the original RV he wanted and signed a contact on was sold to someone else who paid more for the RV (later learned of that). He was told be the dealer that they accidently fill the gas tank up with gasoline instead of diesel so the engine had been damaged (so they directed him towards the RV that they were using a a part vehicle). Needless to say this dealership was unscrupulous and had no intention of fixing their issues. When my buddy called the manufacture to get these problems resolved all he heard were crickets.

[@marthas8108]

What a tremendous public service you've provided here, Sir. Many thanks to you.

[@tribal240]

Thank you. Great info. I was seriously considering an RV but after watching this video and hearing about all the problems with RV’s I’m out. No chance.

[@audiophilephile]

In my experience having an RV inspected won't help much. I had 30+ problems and only a few could have been detected by an inspection. The rest became evident over several months of use.

[@MrDavesbox1]

Steve....love your show/channel.....retired detective here in Texas- can i make a polite police suggestion / modification to your caveat? DONT EVER BUY A "NEW" RV....there...i feel better...my fellow cops and soldiers love Rv-ing.....we always find RV's that are 10-15 years old, we buy them from elderly people who are done with road trips...first thing we do is run an oil sample, ( lab in waco texas) ...if it comes back clean we start at the bottom, new tires, brakes, belts, hoses, tuneup, batteries, roof A/C service, ...we take a few months to do this and often for less than 10 grand we have an awesome party mobile.....NEW? never....Used always....Happy Holidays to everyone!

[@RVFreeDa]

Thank you for the info. I might buy an RV soon and your info is very helpful. Some of the things you mention I never thought about before. Your free education is a service to all potential RV owners. Especially for those who don't read the fine print.

[@danielgrosscup5663]

Hello. I live full time in an RV. Your right, never buy a new one. The depreciation alone is around 30 percent the first year. Most systems don't work the first time anyway. The newest fad is buying an old one and fixing it to your standards. I'm currently rebuilding a 32 year old Class A. This is still cheaper than buying new by 100s of thousands of dollars and it will look and work better than some of the new ones of the same style.

[@kitcatmeeow571]

Looks like buying a full size cargo van, then installing some bedding, a few storage areas and minimal lighting, porta potty, and ice chest are much more reliable and freedom to park anywhere, go to a gym or YMCA, for showers, check in a hotel once a week (maybe) are the way to go. If I had $200K , I'd rather go on a few cruises, maybe buy a vacation cabin, then rent a full size RV. You really know all about the Dos and Don'ts for RVs. Many thanks!

[@l.clevelandmajor9931]

Nearly every RV and travel trailer I have had experience with was not built very well; especially the living quarters. The only exception to this was the manufacturing company I worked for back in the late 1980s. The name of the company was Metrotrans, and while our main product was buses, we also did a few RV's using our construction methods. First of all was the frame of the box we built for the passenger compartment, which was a welded 2 inch aluminum tubing frame built like a strong roll cage. This method was used in both of our main lines; the Classic, and the Eurotrans. The skin we used on those frames was 1/16 inch thick aluminum sheet metal, which was riveted to the frame. Our floors were 3/4 inch marine grade plywood on the bottom part of that framework, covered with a choice of floor covering. We had a electrical department that created the harnesses for all of the electrical devices and fixtures, and my part was in cabinetry for the various needs of the customers. I was the head designer and builder of wood cabinets and other wood construction. We built our cabinets with the best 3/4 inch cabinet grade plywood. Now here's the kicker: When we got a complaint from our customers, we would bring the Bus or RV we built back to our plant, and make the repairs on the premises. I rarely had to make any repairs to my work, but sometimes there would be some I did have to make. Usually it was some minor thing that was an easy fix, but a couple of times I built whole new cabinets to replace the defective one. We were a quality oriented company when we were in business, and we loved our work! Our motto was "Build it like you plan to buy it yourself!" And that's exactly what we did.

[@economyheating]

I own a 2020 Coachmen 215 RBK Travel Trailer and thus far has worked for me and family as it should, with only $50 worth of repairs since purchase and I repaired it myself. I love it

[@jfgreen1959]

I don’t get the whole RV thing, you spend incredible money for a poorly made product, I mean these things are built like crap compared to the average slap em up stick home. Then the fuel costs are incredible, the RV park fees are incredible, and you drive hours to be right on top of your neighbors. It makes no sense to me at all.

[@mikedee8876]

old greyhound busses and even old school busses are the best RVs...they dont leak, and by the time you get all the appliances and systems installed in one, you kno what it takes to fix everything....then you can enjoy yer vacation.

[@robertgoodale7204]

Travel trailers are a much better way to go. Cheaper to insure, no engine/drive train so there are less things to go wrong. It also makes more sense because it is likely to be parked more often then in actual use. The tow vehicle can always be used as an actual "vehicle" when unhitched and will obviously be covered under lemon law. If you are on vacation and want to travel within the region without dragging the trailer around it can be unhitch and left at the camp ground. They are also significantly less money. Overall it just makes a lot more sense. Trailers folks, not full-on RVs.

[@M83337]

I've been looking at an RV - a 2015 Leaiure Travel actually, as I thought if I went upstream I could avoid issues. I gratefully paid $545 to have it inspected by an independent inspector, and they couldn't get the shower to work or the refrigerator to work off propane. You've brought back my sanity and I'm keeping my money. Thank you very much. Don't knowingly inherit a nightmare. Save yourself the grief. I decided to after months of research.

[@CoolLikeYourMom]

M83337 Thank you for this! I was looking at LTV thinking they would be better than most. Now I’m thinking a bus or van build is the way to go.

[@debicaron6046]

The reason I bought a new van and built it out. I could afford a new RV, but didn't like the nightmare stories. I am happy with the van...for now.

[@tom_olofsson]

I sat next to a guy on a long flight who worked for an RV manufacturer. He told me the same thing you are saying. Your explanation is more detailed. Great job.

[@1978garfield]

Sadly the last 20 feet of the RV assembly line is the service department at the dealer.

[@dejonsmall9886]

Steve you really opened my eyes on RVs. I've contemplated making a purchase, but I have a lot of research to do. All the You Tube videos never go into things like this. Thanks.

[@slickwillie916]

I pay $200. dollars a month to live in a trailer park with my water, electricity paid for and I have a sewer connection I dump my tanks into and I tow my 20 foot camper with a $2,000. dollar Mazda minivan that has lasted me 12 years, so it can be done very easy and a lot cheaper than most people think

[@yaniraavilasantos8452]

David Huffstickler True thanks for this info.

[@ladyboywonder9139]

David Huffstickler you're not in a " main" state , are you ?

[@rondye9398]

One park here in Central Oregon charges $2700/month, but you get to use the pool! The rest are over 1000.00 if you can find a spot.

[@ladyboywonder9139]

slick willie can I ask where? At least what state

[@blahblahblah9376]

Lady boywonder - Do you know who is buried in Grant's tomb? In other words...what "state" would you guess you might find "Central Oregon" in? geeezzzz!

[@erichred2858]

Wife and I been talking about getting one. We have been leaning more on a camper lately. This seals it!

[@donellagallo7079]

Excellent advice! Everyone has tried to talk us into getting an RV but I could not imagine spending that kind of money. My gut told me no so I really appreciated this video.....good job and thank you!!!

[@patrickclark3337]

If it's a choice of being homeless or buying an RV to live in, I'll take the RV any day, as I've already done. Didn't have nearly enough to purchase a home and don't have a good enough income to pay a mortgage and survive so I opted for an RV and it's been going well so far.

[@breeze787]

I checked out a $350,000 Class A and it was P - R - E - T - T - Y with all of its beautiful cabinets and granite everywhere! But I can hear, "come into my parlor said the spider to the fly"". Alas you are responsible for me turning to RV rentals rather than buy. Awesome Steve thanks for sharing, great content.

[@lass-inangeles7564]

I have never rented an expensive RV rental. What a waste of money. I bought a used Class C for $12K with tax. Worked out marvelously. V10 engine is a power horse. Saved $30K on house rent in one year alone. Go get one, stop letting fear ride you.

[@keathpolyak6469]

Research is key when spending large sums on any purchase. Remember, society is built to take your money...you only have power when you have $ in hand!!! Education is always key! Never trust a salesperson...anything that is writing is is king. This video is excellent......

[@jeffshadow2407]

My 1976 GMC Motorhome does not fit this profile! Aerodynamic and powered by the Oldsmobile 455 and with front wheel drive.

[@nogrey]

Good advice for sure. I've had several and have been RV'ing for over 50 years. You need to know what you're getting into for sure. I buy used and do my own inspections. It's a lot like buying a house, you're going to have problems and you need to know what to look for. They're all made pretty poorly and have a lot more maintenance required than a car or a house. It's a love/hate thing. Caveat Emptor.

[@quantumleap359]

Gee, it's a wonder anyone listens to this guy. He makes too much sense!!! Thanks Steve!

[@vinnyg2605]

My best time of my life! Was in my 25 year old RV 30' and yep, spent the learning curve extra monies, but I am here to tell you, IT IS AMAZINGLY AWESOME TO OPEN YOUR FRONT DOOR And see /meet/people or wildlife or just weather what ever it maybe Sunrise or down pour... And I up to that point in my life had always worried about how TIME well in the RV I found myself just not mattering whatsoever what time it was where I was or even any of that, the stress was all but gone, and everyday was an exciting adventure and oh so peaceful, the absolutely worst day in an RV is by miles better than the best day at home, or work, and I have for me done the true comparison, I want to get my RV and adventure bike, and go till I can't, the country has boundless/ endless beauty/ criminals / but that's mostly in your control, where you go dictates what is on the other side of your locked door, and self protection is of course you just adopt in to your daily life, I really want my RV back, but that is beyond reality. But if you can, and you possibly the time of your life meet awesome people go read up decide what type fits your needs and wants and explore USA... before its so changed that it maybe only 99% as wonderful as it is now. My 200 bucks (2 cents just won't so it lol)

[@josephmcmillion882]

Buy a used 3yr old rv, meet the seller at a camp ground full hook up and test everything....not fool proof but a good practice to follow.

[@stewmeat9261]

I bought a used travel trailer for 10k. No need for a 200k class A. Serves me well. It's does take some work and Maintenence but it's quite easy for me. Yes it will depreciate but I have lots of memories using it and those are priceless.

[@markcollins457]

Been there, done that I have a background in hvac and a major car buff the only way to own an rv is buy it out of warranty(cheaper) and be a mechanic.

[@fredygump5578]

Rust...RV frames are not primed. They're just painted! And yeah, brand new campers commonly start rusting while on the lot! I briefly worked at an RV dealer as a detailer...I was expected to spray black paint over the rust spots, doing nothing to stop the rust from spreading. I knew that wasn't right, and I quit after 4 days.

[@waynep10]

Explained very well Steve. I, being a retired Heavy Mechanic could not agree more. ALWAYS DO THAT EXTRA HOMEWORK it could save a lot of grief down the road. Thanks again.

[@ArthurBrinkman-c5z]

I have a Gulfstream Hi Rise. The chassis was built by Frightliner, the engine by Ford, the body by Gulfstream. You also get individual warranties for the stove, fridge, ice maker and everything else. I only purchased the R.V is because I live in it full time. I'm on my 3rd one. And have beaten the high cost of housing in California. I love my RV. I tell my boss: Don't mess with me! I'll start up my house and drive away!

[@davidneilson3508]

Lol that’s awesome 👍👍😊

[@consciouscool]

Step 1 get licensed, 2 Pay big money buying, maintaining, registering, stocking, filling the tank. 3 Plan your dream family trip. 4 Park RV or make it yard art. 5 Add RV to list of bad investments.

[@brandtvickery2962]

Number 7 packing everything up on Sunday am and having to drive home with kids screaming and wife complaining. Number 8 taxes Number 9 they depreciate 95 percent

[@topper18x]

After watching your very informative video, I now equate buying an RV with buying a home and consider an RV salesman similar to a real estate agent. I 'd never buy a home without having a building inspection, nor would I buy an RV without having a vehicle inspection. Thank you for trying to educate us all-too-vulnerable consumers.

[@johnp139]

topper18x building inspectors are a big scam too, most have no qualifications and just go through the motions.

[@rss608]

As a mechanic I've worked on many different brands and chassis. I own 3 different brands and chassis. everything he says is truth. If you can't fix it yourself, you should not buy it. Not uncommmon for rv's to spend 6 months of the first year in the shop. Diesels no longer than gassers, they just cost more. Rubber rots on DP's as fast as it does on gassers. Rv's are just like houses, always something to fix......

[@dennisflora6205]

I just did some research, and in California, RV's are covered by the lemon law. The house part is considered consumer goods, and the chassis and drivetrain, steering colum etc are considered a new motor vehicle, so were safe here. Dennis

[@FastForwardRay]

Does that include 5th wheels too?

[@fourwheelin31]

Please provide the states law code and info related to their RV Lemon Law for All to obtain for future use. Thank You.

[@nhlibra]

Hi Steve Lehto, IMO, you're the best kind of attorney out there. People need to understand how important it is to know their rights as a consumer. Very few do. I've been part of a Pro Se Litigant group that studies consumer law, for over 5 years and I've exercised my rights as a consumer in regards to the FDCPA/TCPA/FCRA laws and statutes. So as far as the negatives commenters are concerned..."If you don't know what your rights are...you have no rights at all".

[@bobdevreeze4741]

Read about The Hitch House in Barrie Ontario. A 250,000.00 class A sitting on the showroom floor burst into flames burning the business to the ground. Made my mind up real fast.

[@brealistic1970]

I have several joyous friends with campers they pull behind an HD truck. They seem to be very happy with them. I also know a guy with an RV. He always seems angry. I never considered maybe it was the RV.

[@matthewprosser3392]

As an RV Tech I started on $200 dollar popups and currently work on multi million dollar units. I would say slightly used is the way to go if you must have any RV. Even after we make sure everything is working, on your first trip the road vibration will shake something loose. A unit a year or 2 old has already spent it's initial time in the shop and you will have had the depreciation taken off the price tag. I like RVs and own a travel trailer. From the d Fix it side I must agree with most of the comments made. At about 500k up you will find less and less issues with the average RV!

[@dennisflora6205]

Im back Steve. I've had my new Thor Freedom Elite 23H for over 4 months now.Im sorry to say that you were spot on. Good thing im a retired mechanic, otherwise I would have gone totally crazy. I think I have all the problems fixed now, but I still have a dinette window that requires all my strength to open and close, but it's getting better.I'd mention all the problems it had, but the list is amazingly long. Mainly just silly things like loose water hoses and filter bowl at the house waterpump, and loose clamps at the fuel filler neck which made gasoline drip on the ground when filling the tank. It's quite obvious that they slap these things together like cheap burgers. Dennis

I've seen videos from another brand where you _literally_ see staff running around the factory floor with walls or heavy tools to meet their daily quotas. My 2003 Thor Windsport was certainly built that fast, from what I discovered over the few months I owned it. It's all about the price tag to try to undercut the competition with those big brands. Meanwhile some smaller factories, a bit pricier at first glance, take months instead of hours to build what seems like the same product. So it seems that finding the right brand should be the number one concern for buyers. I'd definitely stay away from anything not at least 30 years old. (Although I have a soft spot for the younger Showhauler factory... Very impressive construction.)

[@madogblue]

Dennis Flora Dude, Thor is an ultra low cost RV. They are as cheaply made as they come. It is obvious as soon as you walk into one.

[@rbrADV]

Agreed. I used to deliver NEW RV's to dealers and every one had lots of problems that needed to be fixed. In addition to what was mentioned in the video, every component has its own warranty from the manufacturer - refrigerator, A/C, water pump, furnace, motorized blinds, and so on. Then add in the engine, tires, transmission, etc. Often the diesel engine must be serviced by a heavy truck dealer - not the RV dealer. An RV is WAY more complicated than your house! Even worse, YOU need to drive your "house" to a dealer to have them fix it at the rate of $150/hour!

[@pilgrimsnest592]

If they call it "Thor Freedon Elite", THEN IT HAS TO BE A PIECE OF SHIT! Typical sociopaths these CEO's of these big manufacturing company's. Check out my "Pilgrims Nest".

[@johnnylightning1491]

Just a heads up that most RV manufacturers will let you tour their plants - DO IT! I was at one very well regarded RV manufacturer and they had lousy welds, so lousy I even told the president of the company about it. They were running their welders so hot to get the arc started they were blowing holes in the 1" square tubing and then not filling them in. Not good. I went to another and looked at their cabinetry, I only saw 1 misplaced staple out of probably 1,000 that I looked at. Who do you think I was going to buy my RV from. Don't get all googeldy eyed by they pretty paint and ceramic tile floors, Go underneath the RV take out drawers and look at the construction, look under the hood and under the bed. DON'T BE PRESSURED it's your money until you part with it and the RV dealer's main objective it to part you from your money. If they don't let you do what you want another one will. Good luck.

[@Pamela-ro8vh]

Johnny Lightning can you share the name of the better rv manufacturer?

[@scdi12]

Hi. We connected because of you talked about Tesla. Just noted this is 3 years old.....so this might never be read.....but maybe someone else will see it. "Don't by an RV" caught my eye because I said the same to myself. I used a price of 75000 and added up all the costs...gas, depreciation, insurance etc.. Used 4 weeks as a base for travel time. I concluded for the same price I could spend over $400 a day for a hotel and meals and still be ahead. I like your videos so far. Thx

[@RightChange1]

This guy is so right. A friend of mine bought a brand new Tiffin Red, took a shower and the water flooded his whole Coach. This is now his third trip back the Redbay Alabama. Sad.

[@patrickreynolds9853]

There is an rev dealership in Utah that makes you take your fav to a nearby campground for a weekend before signing any paperwork. They sell only 1 brand of every and stand behind the product 100%.

[@michellereyelts3418]

Name of company ? I like that type of guarantee.

[@LuckyBaldwin777]

In my younger days, I was a heavy equipment mechanic. The shop I worked at did a lot of RV repair on diesel pushers. Basically they're 2 types. The first type is where the body is made by the RV manufacturer and is mounted on a bare chassis made by a bus manufacturer. The second type is where the body and chassis are made by the bus manufacturer. So basically the bus manufacturer delivers a complete bus with no interior to the RV manufacturer. In my experience, those are much more reliable than the RV body rigs. I can't comment on the living space plumbing, electrical or mechanical because we didn't do that work. If it was me I'd buy an RV that looks like the old rock band tour buses, just with a different paint job.

[@jstar1000]

An RV without a motor or tranney like a 5th wheel or Travel trailer is the way to go. No issues with those since there is none. You just have to be a handy person and do your own repairs and maintenance. They are like a boat or a pool, they cost you time and money but I use the crap out of mine and really enjoy having my own commode, bed, fridge full of food and all my stuff at hand, and I keep and use it at my home plugged in with full hook ups as a guest house for family and friend when they stop by. Also going to RV parks is fairly cheap, way more so than a nasty hotel with bed bugs and they have lots of amenities typically like a pool, laundry facilities, stores etc. I really love my RV, have had one since 2001 and will die with one. So I say Poo Poo to your advice except for maybe on the high dollar motorhomes which I know very little about.

[@BIGDAVE5352]

I totally agree with you Steve! RVs are a nightmare. I repair RVs for a living and it does not matter if it is a 25K unit or a 500k unit they all gave the same issues! Most of the components come from Lippert. The AC units and control boards for these multiplex systems are made in China and last 2 days. Not is there lack of quality control across the board, the customer Service is horrible too. I hear stories from customers who just purchased a new unit and have an immediate issue after delivery only to be told that they have a 3 week wait to get into service! My best advice is Fly first class and stay in a resort and you will come out further ahead!

[@Trailblazers323]

BIGDAVE5352 Farther 🙂

[@cmscms123456]

I rent.. why would anyone own... I get a BRAND NEW one EVERY TIME I rent. and I drop it off when Im done. No storage fees, no maintenance, no insurance, no license plates fees.. Same with boats or jet skis.. Rent then drop it off. RV's lose 80% of their value driving it off the lot.

[@MrXcrt]

Everything said here is soooo true ! Wish KZbin was around 14 yrs ago , I’m sure I’ll cross another bridge when it comes to things that can go wrong in an RV ! Always something with these vehicles, never knew about that no lemon law either. Informative video here

[@MrXcrt]

Well , I’m here to tell you the always something line I used , well I’m broke down here in El Paso with transmission issues , the adventure continues but at a price , maybe just maybe I’ve worked out the bugs in this rig , also an important point to make , make sure your insurance will tow your vehicle cost free and will give you a incidentals refund for a trip interruption, this will save you stress n worries as well as cost to your pocket book .

[@markloebig5632]

thanks for the great post. i recently retired and came across your video while doing research because i was going to go full time in an RV. after this and an article i read about the state of RV's and manufacturers today i wouldn't go near one. thanks for saving me from making a huge mistake.

[@ragles87]

Steve, you are so right on. I have an RV, one in a line we have owned, and I travel with a complete tool box. You would not believe how popular I have become in many campgrounds when someone has a problem and I repair it. And don't just think it happens to low end RVs. I have been in million dollar RVs that just don't work. In all fairness, going down the road in a house is almost like living in constant earthquakes, Try riding in your fifth wheel while traveling 70 mph. Pretty scary huh? If you want to travel in an RV, learn to work on it, because you will be, alot, and if you need someone else to do it, it will be expensive. This is the reality of RV living. It still is a great experience, but just know you better be tool handy, or have a lot of money.

[@ragles87]

PS, I am a big Forrest River fan.

[@paxwallacejazz]

American expatriate living in Europe I have only owned one older RV while living here and it met my expectations. While camping all over Europe I met and talked to owners of many European diesel Rvs and most were happy with them. Here they are smaller and it seems better constructed and regulated.

[@MrVegaslive]

I'm gonna get one anyhow. I'm mechanically incline and know how to fix stuff. 30-35ft TT TH is just about right for my needs. Considering new and used, leaning new for warranty and discounts over used overpriced one.

[@kraykray9585]

RV owner : My damn RV is always breaking down and needing shit replaced. Boat owner : Hold my beer...

[@passthetunaporfavor]

They depreciate so fast you need a shovel to move the money out the door of the RV.

[@merchyllynable]

But the fun is so worth it.

[@ImNotThatGuy]

I bought a RV 2 years ago. When I bought it I told my wife, “Do not expect this transaction to be like when we buy a car. If you do, you will be sorely disappointed.” And it wasn’t. It wasn’t a horrible experience, but we ran into the same thing most RV buyers run into. Long times to get an appointment. And once you get the appointment, they have to diagnose the problem, order the parts, then make the repair. That’s even if you know and have told them what the problem is. Oh, and once you get the appointment, you are still in a very long queue before they even look at it. If you buy an RV, it’s best to be handy. I’ve only had a few problems with the RV. All of which I have repaired myself. I got the parts from the manufacturer or the company that supplied the the component to the manufacturer, all free of charge. The one part I paid out of pocket for I got the dealer to reimburse me for. Bottom line, if you buy an RV buy a high end one over $250,000. You’ll get better after purchase customer service. With all that said, we still love our RV.

[@lovealllife748]

Just look at Slab City and all the defunct motorhomes and trailers left there!

[@billybeat]

You are absolutely correct. I've purchased three new RV's. I'm a "full timer", live in my RV and love the lifestyle. But expect when you buy one to have problems with it. You, the buyer, are doing the quality inspection. You identify the problems and the dealer says, yeah, bring it in and we'll fix that - when we have time. I brought my latest RV in for a water leak and broken air conditioner. (This after paying for a "pre-delivery inspection". The scam you have talked about.) I made the appointment a month in advance, at the dealer's convenience. I brought the RV in as scheduled and, after a week passed, I called and asked what's up. The maintenance former shot back at me "We just got it!'". The RV had sat there a week with no one even looking at it.

[@curtiskretzer8898]

"We just got it!"he said w/o looking @ any information,like something out of snl or Madtv.Because they were doing u a solid

[@gisellegonzalez2628]

This is why I built out my Van. No worries. Great information you’ve got a new subscriber!!!

[@helenholt1161]

I built out a Sprinter 170 4x4. Best thing I ever did. Yes, I had some work done by professionals (spray insulation, some electrical) but overall I did it myself or with the help of some friends. I know every inch of it and surprised myself with what I could be competent at. When I was done I felt like I had built a castle.

[@willieboy8798]

Sir! I like your style....you make sense... I live part of the year in an RV porto potty, no running water, only a drive train and motor purchase price factored in maintaince for ten years! saved me tons of cash on rent. I live in three states have one in each of five states. and single no kids! 10:39 talk to a RV mechanics and camp grounds the like... purchasers listen to this man he WILL SAVE YOU GRIEF!! I put myself through college as a mechanic and buy used! LEARN HOW YOUR SHYT WORKS end of story...

[@johnharris6655]

You might get a better deal and big nationwide dealership, but you might get better service and small local dealer. My dad worked for a local RV dealership, The Family also owned Ford Toyota and Dodge Dealerships in the same town. That Family name meant something to the owner of the company. They had been in that town for 80 years. If you bought an RV from them, they would fix it, either under warranty or at a reasonable cost. The owner did not want his family name associated with being a bad business.

[@slickwillie916]

if you have $250,000. to spend on a RV then I think you will have more than enough money to get something fixed, I have been living in a very nice camper I bought for $10,000 about 12 years ago and it is working fine for me!

[@Dovenpeis]

Some retirees are crazy enough to sell their home and buy an RV instead. So they might have $250,000 to spend on an RV, but they don't have or didn't expect the need of having money for significant repair cost on a brand new $250,000 RV. They simply dont' know what they are getting into, and believe they are protected as consumers just as they are when they buy other big items, like a car. As Steve is pointing out, though, they are not. Not unless they are Californian, it seems.

[@martineastman9855]

If you've never owned an RV and you're thinking of buying one; it's not a bad idea to buy something like a cheap popup camper and use that for a year or two (just to see if you like it). Believe me, they actually have a LOT of the same issues as the big, expensive trailers and fifth-wheels. And you can pull them with a wide variety of vehicles. So, before you drop 40-50k on a vehicle to pull a 40k+ RV (this is sometimes known as the RV debt spiral)-- get something cheap that you can tow right now just to determine if you actually enjoy RVing. And if they're well maintained, many popups can be sold for around 80% of what you paid for them (often, if you bought a well-maintained used popup, it can be sold for 100% of what you paid). Better to waste 5k-10k than to waste 25k-60k+, right?

[@m.f.richardson1602]

I wanted to buy an RV or caravan. Sounds romantic, just driving around the country. Going off grid and all that stuff. Your video talked me out of buying one. I thought about all the mechinal problems, nobody talks about that. Plus, I don't like driving that much. Thanks

[@RVROOFINSTALL]

Awesome video Steve. We do RV roofs and they are the most expensive needing to be replaced item on an RV and they are terrible. I got a 2017 $120k 5th wheel on my channel showing how bad these roofs are even brand new! He drove off the sales lot into our shop and said " put a new roof on it". He'd only had it for 120 miles! I'll share your video in my channel if you don't mind??

[@livelifelbw]

Whats the title of your video on the roof on You tube?

[@jeepcollector91]

I used to deliver Freightliner chassis to RV manufacturers. And the occasional Ford chassis. I must say the chassis were well built. The RV's, not so much. I would recommend a Class-C over a Class-A since at least you have the front end and driving area that was built by a good manufacturer. Plus if all else fails, you can demolish the motorhome structure and convert the Class-C into a flatbed truck, toy hauler, or box truck. As for new RV chassis having surface rust on the frame and suspension. Many of them sit outside exposed to the elements before being built into an RV. It will usually have some surface rust on it as a result. The dealers could touch that up before placing the RV on the lot for sale but if not, you can use that as a bargaining tool to get the RV cheaper. You can touch up the metal yourself which is a good thing to do yearly anyways. I bought a used Fleetwood Tioga 29Z Class-C motorhome a few years ago that had a minor roof leak around a roof vent. While it was repairable, I bought it for cheap as I just wanted the Ford E450 Cutaway Van Cab/Chassis. While demolishing the motorhome structure I was shocked to see that the manufacturer didn't coat the square metal tubing used in the walls with anything. Just bare metal. The structure seamed sound other than the roof leak but hidden within the walls and ceiling was lots of corrosion. Nowhere near the roof leak. Areas of the tubing were rusted thru. Most of the joints weren't even fastened with anything more than a single spot weld on one side. And many welds were cracked from being able to flex. I resold all salvageable RV related components like windows, doors, appliances, holding tanks, and more. The Ford E450 cab and chassis had no rust issues. I am currently installing a 72" aluminum double bunk sleeper cab on the chassis and a 16x8 flatbed. It will be my road trip toy hauler and will carry my Jeep on the flatbed while also towing my boat.

[@lifestationexpresslinda9425]

I think most people are doing the research and the love of full time rv living is much more important than the risks it may bring. Most folks really buy used anyway, and people are up for the challenge too! Those darn risk taking free thinking nomads. LOL They will survive and be the wiser and stronger for it. We can't wait to get on the road! And most don't buy the $100,000 rvs anyway. Good thoughts though, thanks for letting us know.

[@beam3819]

Spot on, check your RV out. We rented one and the first night the water stopped and the frigde and heat far into mountains. We called the sellers that said it was ours fault. Our first and last time in an RV

[@jdice6868]

Some dealerships leave the slides open even when they're getting snow building upon the top of the slides (very bad to do) because it saves time when you want to show the RV. Researching the RV dealership is absolutely crucial.

[@terryglenweaver]

RVs are built in a manner that allows easy assembly from the beginning. The problem occurs in that the method of assembly does not allow ease of access when replacing or reoairing. However, when you are modifying a fully assembled bus (for example) everything you add can be taken apart as easily as when installed when designed with even a little thought. Next, "Debri Field" just look at RV accidents, anything of any consequence causes a debri field (often massive), but a bus... No where near the same debri field because a bus is extremely stronger...they dent where an RV...shatters.

[@robertbuck2629]

Every word this man says is the truth. RVing is a great hobby, but only for the people with knowledge to do their own service. All RV's are poorly made. The trick is being able to sort out the better from the worst. If you don't have the skills to do that, buy a tent and a port-a-potty. Every slam you've heard about used car salesmen applies doubly to RV sales people. After you buy you'll pay $120-160 per hour to have your RV "fixed" by an idiot.

[@marciewarner9225]

+Robert Buck ABSOLUTELY TRUE! WOW! I thought I was the only person that felt this way.! Thank you!

[@marciewarner9225]

+Robert Buck ABSOLUTELY TRUE! WOW! I thought I was the only person that felt this way.! Thank you!

[@stephaniebooth6169]

Robert Buck I don't know were you. get your # s my 1993 Fleetwood pace arrow on a Ford chassis is made very well and everything works on it, and if it needs a repair my mechanic only charges 95.00 a hour and he dose very good work. I have lived in my class A motorhome for 4 yrs and would never go back to a traditional type of a house.

[@KoiPondPeppy]

Scary. We really lucked out. Bought used though. The first one, a 5th wheel, no problems not even a leaky roof or anything. Had to get rid of it because it was too hard for my husband to set up (back problems). Second one, a tag along, the only problem is the kitchen faucet was mounted backwards. Not a huge deal so we're happy with it. This video made me realize how lucky we were and are. After this video, I'm surprised everything in both our campers worked! Great advice for new buyers.

[@jimthehermit8113]

That's madness. Why don't people start class action law suits or petition congress to include them under the lemon law

[@ladyboywonder9139]

Jim the Hermit because USA is unfortunately dysfunctional

[@alanchow3375]

Jim the Hermit I

[@karen6187]

At last check the state of California is either working on a lemon law for RV's or it's already a law. I need to look into this more because I'm in the market to buy right NOW! But I'm patient LOL! Buyer beware!

[@thenaturalmidsouth9536]

Just rent an RV when you want to go "camping." Much cheaper and easier.

[@Kapnez]

My RV when heat the water up it would fire up but the water was still cold I woke up in the middle of the night and realized they had a bypass hose for testing I removed it and it worked great After sending it in twice for repairs

[@JerryEricsson]

Over the past 25 years we have purchased several RVs the last 2 were Class A Motor Homes. All of them have had problems and when discussing the problems at campgrounds with fellow campers I learned the first lesson of RV's, the last 25% of the build of an RV is done by the purchaser. The one new RV we had was a horror. We camped in it once before winter, come spring the lenolium in the main part of the RV was split down the middle. Warantee did replace it but they did a crappy job on the install. That spring we had a horrid hail storm, golf ball size and larger hail. All the top covers had to be replaced as well as the roof. That was done, in the late summer another storm, that took out all the sidding, the top covers as well as my pickup, wifes car and our home which got it's second new roof in that year as did my garage. The dealer took the insurance on the camper and put a new skin all around on her as well as some windows that were broken. The next spring, another major hail as a tornado slipped by town, just missing our home by a few blocks. This time I took the insurance check and pulled my rig up to the dealer and traded the check and the RV for a used Class A. That we took to Yellow Stone and around Wyoming, on the way home we blew out 2 tires on the same side, thankfully the RV had twin rear axels and I am a well weathered driver so I managed to get her pulled over. Had to replace the 2 tires, which blew my exhaust off the rig as the huge rubber parts damaged the underside, oh and before that, the front brakes locked up in the middle of Montana and had to be rebuilt for 14000 bucks. That trip over and the RV now looking so much better then she did, I drove back to where I had purchased it , and traded it for one 9 years newer with 3 slide outs. That one we drove to Arizona ever year for 3 years and back home when winter was over in the Dakotas. Every trip something major broke. First year the hydraulic pump for the slide out and leveler burned out abut 1/2 way there, we had to order parts which took 3 weeks to get in, during that time I could neither level or use the slide outs. Next year Water Heater burned out. The following year the electric steps burned out. That was the only one I played it smart and ordered a new electric step upgrade and had a local mechanic install it, saved over a thousand bucks if I would have had the RV repair outfit in Kingman Az do the fix. I did have a limited warrantee on the first breakdown, the fridge however ran me over a grand to fix Oh and the door fell off our oven but I managed to repair that myself. Other then that she has been a good RV Oh forgot had to buy new house batteries from a gas station near Bryce Canyon.

[@spycam56]

Lesson #1: DO NOT BUY AN RV!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Steve is RIGHT!!!! If the law protects the manufacturer OVER the consumer, who just dropped down $250,000, why in the hell would a manufacturer care about quality!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!? Ask yourself, would you buy anything for $100,000+ with NO GUARANTEE!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?

[@jimmyironz]

Steven... I'm so happy I found your video and watched it. I had no idea it was like that and was looking at purchasing an RV. Thank you so much for your advice!!!

[@freyazaldivar2604]

What about a converted school bus? Would that be a better choice?

[@12voltvids]

100% the truth. My parents fell into this money pit. Once bitten as they say....Of course theirs was a "used" RV so that must have been the reason it was constantly in the shop right... That is what the RV dealer said.

[@kathyfann]

That's why a 15 year used one is a better deal. They are pennies on the dollar. They usually have had a few bugs worked out and you can take it anywhere for basic maintenance and Camping World is a good source

[@rawmark]

I concur.

[@bradisley99]

Or buy a 3-4 year old one. Stay away from Camping World!

[@dielectricuniverse4076]

Could you be more specific about "Stay away from Camping World"? Thnx...

[@sykwookiee]

Derideo Te ...there are many videos about the nightmare that is Camping World...good luck

[@pilgrimsnest592]

I bought mine for about $2000 (CAN) and im rebuilding it. Take a look at my project please.

[@endlessadventure541]

Great points here. That is why during my touring years I was always a trailer man. No motor to deal with. If your SUV is busted, you have NO RV problem. After 20 years of trailering, aside from replacing tires, I never had one problem.

[@seairis616]

Bought a 2016 Lance Travel Trailer Model 1575 brand new. Did not want a lot of problems from buying a used RV. What a huge disappointment. We almost never get to use the unit because it have been in for repairs for so many different repairs. Now that the warranty is over, we have to pay for all the repairs out of pocket on top of the monthly payment. Never had any problems tent camping. Bought a trailer to make camping more comfortable during the hot summer and cold winters. Should have just stuck to tent camping. Even if the trailer was built to excellent standards, there would still be problems with the junk RV specific parts that go into it like the water pump, faucets, plumbing parts, water heater, etc. I want to start a company that makes RV parts that will work better than anything else on the market and without problems for at least 10 years and even provide a 10 year warranty.

[@jamesjoyce2528]

Great information. All potential RV buyers should watch this.

[@recycledteenager7483]

I own an RV and I didn't buy it it was given to me yes he's got a few engine problems but little bit of time I'll get that fixed I also own a camper trailer that I actually paid for couple couple bucks for that and also a conversion van which I pull but camper trailer now your information on this RV was very informative to me and I want to thank you for that keep up the good work and if you can do anything about that lemon law in Michigan that would be awesome

[@papat7663]

Oh God I'm almost in tears what you're saying is the absolute truth. I know from experience what you are saying is the God's gospel

[@SysterEuropa]

Excellent advice! Thank much Steve!

[@gocanada9749]

I WORKED as a certified RV tech for a couple years, every day I would say to myself " This thing is such a PIECE OF SHIT " , THEY ALL ARE POS AND most RV dealers are dishonest liars, they have to be to stay in business

[@daviddilny7271]

I operated a RV and boat storage facility in Florida for 10 years. I’ve seen hundreds of RV’s come and go and have spoken to many owners. Steve Lehto is absolutely right. In my opinion RV’s are nothing more than big pigs! Furthermore like boat ownership, it’s cheaper to rent than own.