Don't Buy The New BMW G87 M2 - Here's Why

[@VehicleVirals]

Chiming in here to address the various comments questioning why I purchased the car if I "hate" it so much. I dont hate the new M2, in fact I like it a lot. Like most of the cars I own or review, I try to be subjective by highlighting the positives, as well as the negatives. As a pontential buyer or viewer, wouldn't you like to hear thoughts from both sides? Go watch the other video and you'll see everything I love about it. That said, I can't wait to start modding the M2.

[@xpo186]

Serious question: should I get a new M2 or GR Supra in MT?

[@VehicleVirals]

​@@xpo186 Didn't get the chance to drive a manual Supra. I do own an auto one however, and I prefer driving the M2. The Supra is lighter, sounds better and you feel more. Technology and comfort wise, it's not great. It's also rather small inside and not very practical (two seats). Supra is also slightly cheaper than the M2.

[@xpo186]

@@VehicleVirals Thank you for your insight sir. I'm a huge fan of the channel and also have a similar setup on my E92/N54 build as you (main difference is it's a DR top mount). I'm in a situation where I'm shopping for either a GR Supra or G87 M2 (transmission is marginally important) and would like the most satisfying ownership experience for the next 5-10 years. If you could own only own one of these cars, which would you pick and why??

[@redjacket5715]

i understand , but the design of things cars and other things are going retro, so i understand the design consept , and i really like it , its diferent than bubble style car designs in the past .

[@MatouVideo]

Thanks for telling it like it is! It's about time someone doesn't ignore the very large elephant in the room![ Thanks again! And your right about that black should be its only color or something like that! lol😅 It really is the only color it looks good in!

[@WadeWilson-]

Ok I wont buy. (couldn't even if I wanted to)

[@lethalno1]

My guy has even like this comment 😂

[@Carterprobinson]

That’s the problem with new cars is there designed for people who can afford them 😂😭

[@DaemonRitus-co1ec]

Don’t worryyyy. After I turn in my lease you’ll be able to afford one after it’s been used and abused by the 3rd and 4th owner.

[@GF-mf7ml]

I'll buy og e36m

[@coachrandalljones]

Good, then it'll be awhole before you can possibly make this mistake like Vehicle Virals did recently. Finally made a similar mistake. Good luck :)

[@lcameeno1]

Thanks bro, i was close to buying this. Ill just stick to my 1993 honda civic

[@VehicleVirals]

💀

[@arymonem]

Yeah, me too. I’m going to stick to my 1979 civic. It’s just not worth it man!

[@Snorlax286]

Wait, you guys have a car?

[@MG-ot2yr]

lol best comment ever!

[@pcarroll8799]

Is she a diesel?

[@bryanmcghee1437]

I ordered mine in Sapphire Black Metallic and like everything about the design. It has a very GT2 Racing Car Look that gives a great platform for future customizing. I buy cars for their potential, and this G87 M2 has loads of that. ///M Power

[@sufficetosay]

That is a good color for this car! I bet the front actually works in that color.

[@jeremyrousselet6392]

Congratulations !!! Dream car

[@cwx8]

Don't buy it for functional design obviously then

[@BeanyB0b]

I’m constantly blown away at how often people don’t account for inflation when they compare old cars to new ones. The 2016 was $4k MORE than the G87 in today’s dollars. It’s not a hard concept.

[@tomislavplaysguitar]

And? The wages have barely even changed which is why to most people it seems that stuff has gotten way more expensive than ever before which is true once you take the perspective of wages almost never changing

[@TylersJourney17]

This dude is punching it in 4th gear doing 55 saying there’s turbo lag when he punches it LMAO

[@jonnnybfly]

I didn't realize this, but I thought that I was subscribed to you for the past several months, but I wasn't. I've watched your channel off and on for a couple of years, but I just started religiously watching the last few weeks. You honestly have one of the best KZbin channels out there. You have great commentary, an expansive knowledge base, and excellent taste in cars.

[@VehicleVirals]

Thanks dude. Glad you're enjoying the videos

[@robreeto]

Im ok with my Focus ST, i dont make alot of money so its a good budget fun car and i bought a basically new motor with 20k miles on it for $800, so im gonna stick to that, maybe get 500whp one day

[@zay2xf314]

Go make more money so u can get what u want

[@Saif0412]

Turbo lag isn't an issue with the ZF8 Speed.

[@lukeschobert]

uhh yeah it is. drove a g80 m3 comp for a couple days and my oh my was it laggy

[@sufficetosay]

@@lukeschobert You have to drive it in the sportiest setting with traction control off while using the paddles. You also can't be afraid to rev it. There is still a hint of lag but not much!

[@lukeschobert]

@@sufficetosay I sure did, M2 mode RWD and TC off in manual shift mode.

[@Saif0412]

​@@lukeschobert I've seen several reviews of the M3/M4 with ZF8 trans and not one reviewer complained about turbo lag. So either you don't know how to drive or you went Wide open throttle at too low rpm.

[@lukeschobert]

@@Saif0412 I've been driving one now for a while, laggy from about 3-4.5k rpm if you mash the gas. Reviews won't do it, you actually have to drive it and you'll understand.

[@tgshark1]

Good shit...been waiting for a negatives review....that lag is ridiculous

[@TheRustyCracker]

Greatly made video m8 A+

[@kungfuhustle6363]

Just like the e60 when it launched as a ugly duckling people will get used to it. Personally I think the car is stunning and refreshing to not see another generic car. Like it or hate it simple as

[@martyhalper8365]

100% agree. The car has presence and attitude.

[@azzanal-sinani3413]

I think it's a Unique design and it has the potential to be better such as the rear Diffuser and said fenders grille and maybe lower the suspension

[@IRaoulDuke]

The Gremlin and Aztec were unique also, lol, the design is a crime considering what's under the hood.

[@BigfootUnibrowMan]

I think it has a Cyberpunk look, especially in certain colors.

[@That_BmW_Dude]

This car is so sexy in person I didn’t really like it until I saw it in person, camera quality doesn’t do this car justice 😭

[@assetfacilitator]

I own a black-on-black one. The wheels are so hard to keep clean. I love it so far. Drove 1k miles in less than 2 weeks😂

[@jgway9980]

No offense but why did you buy the new M2 if you despise the looks so much?😅 Also, I had both a manual M2 Comp and an automatic M2 Comp. I get it manuals are fun but for whatever reason the M2 is a better car in automatic. You messed up buying it in manual. I’m a minimalist and I love the new look. I like it better than the M2 comp. The M2 comp was too busy in the front and the rims were ridiculously difficult to clean. I do agree that this car looks best in black. My order was previously for Brooklyn Grey metallic and I switched last minute to Black Sapphire Metallic with cognac interior. Anyway, good luck with the M2. Just sell it and get your money back if you don’t like it lol! One last thing. I’m shocked the end of your video you bring up price. I constantly switch back and forth from BMW to Porsche. I had an $84k G80 M3 xDrive and then a $72k Corvette C8 and the C8 is a good car for $72k but the M3 is definitely worth the extra $13k. It punches way harder. BMW’s are performance bargains. The M2 is an absolute bargain for $65k.

[@VehicleVirals]

I'm trying to be subjective here. Since I made a video on things I like, I wanted to also cover things I don't like as much. Overall I like the new M2.

[@jgway9980]

@@VehicleVirals got it, makes sense. Would love to see a comparison on the automatic if you can get your hands on one. One other thing I noticed, the automatic with the adaptive cruise looks a little better in the front to me. The middle sensor fills in the front grill a bit.

[@cwx8]

Who claims to be into cars and buys an auto when manual is available. You sound like a spreadsheet racer.

[@jgway9980]

@@cwx8 not sure what a spreadsheet racer is and really don’t care but I just like to go fast brother and for whatever reason there is a pronounced difference in speed between the manual M2 and the automatic. Also I owned both the manual M2 comp and the automatic and although I loved both cars, the manual wasn’t great in my opinion. There are some amazing transmissions out there. I’ve owned several Porsches and the PDK is amazing. If you’re too manly to drive anything non manual fine with me, leaves more great cars for the rest of us🤷🏻‍♂️

[@williamwade7059]

I started watching your channel to gain knowledge and help advise my son on his 335i project. It would be interesting to know what percentage of your viewers can even afford any type of new car, let alone an M2.

[@VehicleVirals]

Maybe I should do a poll and ask.

[@bimmer100timc]

Many of your complaints I don’t get/understand why they are any issue. The new idrive8 is superb and only a matter of getting used it it. Just because you likely came from idrive7 and are used to Id7 it will be a “learning curve” to get used to id8… we have two i4 m50’s and about to purchase the m2… but imo, don’t like the rear tail lights and front grille is sort of questionable. But the car drives nicer than the previous m2 imo. But I’ve not been on the track yet with the new m2. The carbon package seems great. And the use for this car would be primarily track use. We just did the 2day m school and going back soon for advanced, and gt4 lessons. This m2 is sort of affordable in comparison to some other new cars that are comparable.

[@ezekielalexander709]

Forgot to comment on the last video but i remember wat i was thinking, that dam bro your content is top notch the m5 the widebody 335i and now the new m2 cant wait to see wat u do to the m5 next

[@Beemerboii]

I completely agree. I don't understand how quick everyone started loving this car after all the initial hate. People are so quick to bandwagon instead of being objective. This car looks like ass but has everything we want on paper. Full body kit then the car is one of the best. It's just sad we have to compromise with bmw now. They are no longer on top.

[@assetfacilitator]

Facts this car is ugly. I wish I ordered an M240, which looks way better. But guess what? I don’t care I only care about performance. Lol

[@TimoCruz177]

whats up with car makers and this trend of not letting me drive my own car? I understand the safety of people that might sleep on the wheel and invade other lanes, but if I manually turned it off...I want that shit turned off I don't want to deal with it every time I start the car and go for a drive

[@BorisArtemyev]

Waiting for my Emira, and still procrastinating whether to sell my F87 or keep it. But whatever happens to the F87 it will be the last BMW that I bought new.

[@javierherrera9954]

I put an order for one of these and chose the carbon roof and interior trim . It's the two main carbon options that really mattered to me. I was glad that I could choose those options without paying 9k.

[@oddstuffyt8161]

you should do a nice tune on it and its perfect. personally I really love the design it grew on me like the g80 m3 and m4s

[@javierherrera9954]

@@oddstuffyt8161 that's definitely the plan.

[@oddstuffyt8161]

@@javierherrera9954 Sickk!

[@rembo183]

So you’re looking to trade it soon?

[@rembo183]

Disingenuous video, especially beginning when you say you did another positive video s owning your love for this car. Plus WHY did you buy it? Didn’t you research it? You made a very BIG MISTAKE and spent a lot of money for nothing ! Very bad judgment.

[@VioletClaw816]

I just bought one today replace my 2023 type r and I love it. Different people different options.

[@sandyvalentin3072]

And your absolutely right if you buy this car get it in black and what people need to realize is that , this car would be horrible for the winter time even if you put snow tires on it . Why.. I can’t imagine the snow and ice that will be built up in the front grill it would be a nightmare .

[@Ripperx121]

That is very strange with the lane assist settings. I just got a new Z4 M40i it has iDrive 7 and it saves its settings for all of that. So I have that turned off and it stays. I ran bimmercode on mine and I did see settings that you can change of what mode it starts up in. In fact I did not dig in to bimmercode at all with that but it's an idea. It does not save the auto start stop in comfort mode. Start stop drives me nuts I can't use it.

[@ifarcas123]

The guy just dont know how to set it up right, dont worry it saves it also on the new m2:)

[@jr1885]

He’s being misleading. The driver assist settings do save. However, when you restart the car it defaults in “road” mode, which is basically comfort mode.

[@alexstealth27]

Very helpfull. Still on my buy list but definitely going with Black color. 😬. Thanks!!!

[@joetoner8848]

Thanks for this. Going back and forth between M2 & M240I. Leaning towards the 240 & it’ll be interesting to see how many of your observations translate to that spec. Yes, I know the exterior is different.

[@mbag012]

Ooooooffff this is a hard sell. I never really looked at the M2 properly because I assumed it had the classical design of the BMW that we all know and love but looking at it now, it just looks really bad. The things you mentioned about how the settings go back to default everyone you restart the car is a deal breaker as well

[@omerkurt9406]

Any E46 or E30 content soon?😅

[@eggm0ney]

Thank you

[@VehicleVirals]

Here's an update for anyone interested. I've been thinking of getting rid of the M3. There's really nothing else I want to do with it, plus I need space. The E30 is here to stay and I have over $5K of parts waiting to be installed. But I might have changed my mind again on the engine swap. Something that's wild and not commonly seen. Hopefully I'll get an update video on it soon.

[@omerkurt9406]

@@VehicleVirals 👍

[@eggm0ney]

@@VehicleVirals I’ll buy it.

[@go4384]

Cars from 100 years ago look classier than today’s cars…says someone out there. Tastes evolve just like older people never get new music. The style will occupy its own place in history, people might learn to love it.

[@AchimKonegen-fr4wz]

Gerade,wegen seinem außergewöhnlichen Aussehen wird es ein erfolgreiches Auto werden, weil es sich von allen anderen Autos abheben wird, die nur runde Formen haben. Ich feier dieses Auto, das ich im September in Schwarz bekomme 😊

[@MG-ot2yr]

Thanks for the video. I just bought an M2 a few days ago. Black sapphire with manual transmission. The big empty space in the front is a big air intake, probably doesn't look that great but does serve a purpose. I'm still figuring out all the technology, but I believe you can preset car performance and store it into the M1 and M2 buttons on the steering wheel, so you just push that when you restart the car that has gone back to original defaults, and then you don't have to do them one by one on the screen. I haven't done this yet, so not sure the extent of what it stores.

[@VehicleVirals]

Congrats on the purchase 🙏🏼

[@jamiej6145]

I feel like this m2 gets a lot of hate in my opinion I think it looks great

[@altamashkhan3833]

Brother ! really appreciate your honest opinion . Please make a video which brand will be the best in competition.

[@DIEGOsooon]

Those iDrive buttons sound very satisfying😭 I actually like them. I got used to the iDrive in the Supra which has similar button placement to this. It’s pretty convenient. Not too hard to get used to either.🙌

[@N54_pedroo]

i swear the new m2 g87 look like a lego set 😂😂

[@6pasa488]

Bought mine in Brooklyn grey, best purchase ever made

[@Itsgiuliogiberti]

Then Why TF you bought a new M2? BMW simply change the design….like the first bmw 1 series M…

[@OtherPeoplesMoneyy]

None of these seem like a deal break to me. I think I want one of these next. Should I wait for prices to drop or is that not gonna happen?

[@BigBrotherMotown]

I hate not having climate control buttons. My workaround was to program climate control as a shortcut! That way, i can access it by pushing up on the idrive knob.

[@omitence]

i think the boost response thing in 4th is to prevent lugging, seen a few turbocharged cars do that

[@javi_335i]

Black would definitely be the color to go with 🔥🔥

[@abdul4422]

Dunno why but the blue makes it look like a lego car to me

[@sgt.grinch3299]

I can live with the styling, but I didn’t purchase one because I needed a full sized SUV and went with the Armada Platinum. I would like the back road burner, but I gotta have my family and dog with me. Especially my dog.

[@hydarail6477]

been watching your vids for pretty long time men but i always enjoy whenever you upload a new video makes my day

[@Neverworry21]

That shit looks like a Lego car 😂😂😂😂

[@spussego]

the guys at the throttle house KZbin channel....say that the problem is only with the manual... it is not there with the zf8... it's kinda sad that for this new generation of m's (the current m3, m4 and now m2)....the "BMW Design Language" as BMW calls it.... has been delivering diarrhea...... They made some epic leaps and bounds with the BMW Laser lights, and those increadibly sik OLED fully sequential tail lights.....I went out of my way to get my f30 fitted with aftermarket version of the OLED tail lights..... but they went with Audi horizontal front grills for pretty much all the M cars... what a f*** up.....on the f90 M5 the put Jaguar shaped headlights..... someone somewhere is really screwing the pooch...... BMW Angel Eyes were a signature thing.... you could pick out a BMW from the a half a mile away from those headlights.... but what did they do... sold it to got damn DODGE.... now the Demons and Hellcats have Angel Eyes....it makes me sad....

[@JohnKaBonk]

maybe i need to try the older generation models because man do i love mine 😭

[@cbaacworth2849]

90% to answer your "why did they do this" - is for the M Performance body Upgrades that fit right in and finish it off nicely!

[@cwx8]

But but but all the journalists (who get free stuff from BMW and want to keep getting review cars) say it's flawless.

[@kengi1600]

I like the black color best on this car but I saw this color in person its stunning!That blue pops!

[@RTR_RRoomes73]

I am not complaining as this is a track car. So BMW knows many of these things are irrelevant to what many drivers will want to do with it

[@BMWROYAL]

6:28 we don’t have to get use to it, there are many raw sports cars still being made and if you can’t afford those like a GT3, get used

[@wolf_among_sheep7875]

The black one was tits and tbh it’s not that bad looking, The kidney grills on the new M3 was a lot worst but funny thing is, they grew on me but on that note I rather spend a little extra and buy me a 2018 M3 CS! looking forward to getting one soon!

[@michaelkrautz935]

Little extra? M3cs is double lol

[@dquarks]

Totally agreed with most everything you said. However, if I can afford this I would do a bunch of mods. It will be much improved. 😊

[@bagofsunshine3916]

I really don't get BMW's new Lung/Piggy nose grill design. it's just horrible

[@v8_sami]

Honestly the Supra manual is a way better option than this. Most people that drove the car say the steering feel is not good at all, shifter is still rubbery and most importantly the car is just plain ugly…

[@user-rn4vw9tr3e]

Nice review with good points. True Black would fix much of exterior styling. It will grow on us

[@jldp24]

That front is just plain disgusting..looks like a lego car. You not getting status driving this car. Also the interior..my god..why did theyget rid of the dashboard amd place these screens inside it...its terrible.

[@ayougo]

I closed on a Supra over the M2 and don’t regret it. The M2 didn’t feel special to get into. To each his own.

[@SHWELL11]

I love everything about the car except the front end. Front just doesnt flow for me.. Otherwise I really like the car. I would like to see this with Polished wheels, Iam not into Black wheels.

[@TheRealCatof]

I was considering an M2, but I chose a Kia Stinger GT instead.

[@caraddict9345]

I just imagine having this car and everyone telling me how ugly or dissatisfied it is, I would feel really upset.

[@VehicleVirals]

Well everyone that has seen it in person seems to like it. Online folks (BMW enthusiasts) seem to dislike it

[@hunterbawlz]

Lol would you be buying the car for your own enjoyment or everyone else's?

[@VehicleVirals]

@@hunterbawlz I like the car. Just needs some mods.

[@martyhalper8365]

My attitude would be.. So fuckin what? The only opinion that counts when it comes to me is mine. Back in the day when I was a teenager, I worried what others thought, As I got into my 20s.. Who cares,only me..

[@haroldcasado1875]

Everyone talking bad about VW golf infotainment and this is the same or worse 😂😂😂. Lane keep assistant at lease do not turn on again after shot off.

[@MarkWee-q7u]

I think you can get around the steering wheel intervention coming back - by setting up a driver profile and just keeping it on that driver profile

[@bymohenski]

DODGE in BUFFED BRZ 86 with a signature of BMW

[@xchazz86]

They designed it this way specifically as junk collector to make the roads cleaner, but you pay the cleaning bills after.

[@deoren279]

and that's why i will buy only the M240i much better all around 👍 and bang for your back 🏆thank you B58 with stage one 💥🚀

[@BMWROYAL]

5:48 don’t you have to always line up the holes?

[@djsthemetereman]

BMW is the type of car that the manufacturers should've really considered should they change the front so dramatically, in my opinion they should've tweaked it a little & the back of this looks really weird

[@filipdvl6776]

As only minor non petrolhead details are mentioned, i will still be tempted to buy one. Doesn’t talk about feeling, brakes, chassis, balance, weight transfer, esp settings, transmission, drivetrain, noise, engine feel, rwd feeling etc.

[@js002003]

appreciate the honest and thoughtful analysis and agree about some of the design "flaws" being corrected by going with black saph. That's why I ordered mine in black but I will say the car does look really good overall in person even in other colors.... and the longer gearing/turbo lag def would be a bit frustrating but a quick ecu tune/flash will fix that. Flashed my 911 turbo and the boost comes in 500-1000 rpm sooner than stock which makes a world of difference.

[@SycaShow]

You have to go through these experiences to realize

[@roberto0612fcb]

What do you think about the 2022 m2 competition?

[@johnnyboy1586]

Saw one in a gloss black,and boy did it look good

[@eli7565]

Love the color and it is a nice car but i understand your issues with the exterior when I saw the new M2 reveal I noticed that stuff.

[@azmainabrar697]

the lag comes from the gearing on the 6 speed. the zf fixes that problem

[@CrazyOneToo]

I feel if that very bottom part of the front bumper was body color matched it would dramatically change the look of it.

[@failingup4907]

I love the interior and the screens. He's right about the newer sports cars not being as fun as the older cars. Why are they doing this? This is why I'm hanging onto my C7 Corvette Z51 M7 and not buying a C8. I know I'll be disappointed. I don't want a civilized sports car! I have an SUV for that.

[@Taino5.0]

Hate that these new cars have all these settings to make it yours or change for the situation but you can’t have a preset for every time you drive the car that doesn’t change unless you change it. Like a favorite mode.

[@ManuelFresh100]

The front end looks like it was designed by LEGO

[@InfoumusMOBB]

When I order mine it's going to be very basic. I don't care about any of the CF stuff....it's never going to see a track so I don't care about spending 9900 to save what....? Maybe 60lbs.

[@Tacoexplorer]

I will never sell my 2019 M2c that I did European Delivery on in oct 2018. I have a special bond with the car because of ED. Back then the M2 was step back to a Driver’s oriented car withojt many options. Looks like bmw is heading in the wrong direction for the platform.

[@chrisbmw30]

IND makes a few different options for the bumper I think

[@VehicleVirals]

I seen they color matched the bottom portion. Kind of looks better, but I'm not entirely convinced.

[@rob379lqz]

Yup. I gots a 1987 325 ic. Bought it in 2002. Some things are cool, and other things are riterded. I still like it.

[@joeyauvinen6064]

Two things. The interior and exterior of my 2019 430i Msport is nicer by far. Also mine has 19 and 20 inch wheels. Are people changing that on 3 series??

[@whatachola]

I disagree 1000% with everything you say in this video and this is going to be my graduation present. That being said we all have our opinions and I respect yours.

[@xFlared]

I don't agree with your analysis of the prices. You haven't taken into account the staggering inflation post covid and the fact that right now there are plenty F87s (non comp) models that are above 53k (brand new MSRP) with over 40k and sometimes over 50k miles. Even the new M240i MSRP with no options with the delivery charge will go close to 53k, that's that's a non M car, although arguably it performs better than the original M2 in some aspects. In my opinion you are being a bit too biased in this video. But again, this is just my opinion.

[@VehicleVirals]

I'm being a bit too biased? How does that even make any sense 😂😂

[@rembo183]

After market adjustment its$80k with taxes and fees.

[@3leafz]

Floor it at 4th gear is like lugging the engine, you Want to down shift to 2nd and then floor it

[@mogulme6190]

I really like this car, I think people hate anything they’re not used to.

[@Oplix]

I think you should get the corner of the headlights wrapped to color match the paint.

[@zygi22]

Why do car makers slap a tablet in front of you and call it a dashboard? Why not make a nicely integrated instrument cluster with a separate infotainment system. Both nicely embedded within the dash.

[@klaspeppar5619]

That thing has similar Turbo “lag” to my Volvo S60 when i Run it on 95 Ron and it reduces power (and lowers boost pressure low down). My S60 prefers 98 Ron, although it should be fine on 95 Ron, but won’t run at full power.

[@jacobchapman8501]

I don't think its turbo lag just a powerband. It isn't a v8.

[@dwight9807]

Wow so your telling me having two turbos on an engine that really relies on the turbos for power has turbo lag? No way

[@VehicleVirals]

You're missing the point. The purpose of a twin turbo charged system is to eliminate excessive lag. Something BMW has done very well on prior models.

[@34skyline]

Hope the competition model looks better, They always say never buy 1st Gen of new models

[@scottm6018]

Pretty sure it wouldn't be laggy with an auto, would like to know if you get to drive one to compare

[@VehicleVirals]

Definitely looking forward to giving an auto a shot.

[@scottm6018]

@VehicleVirals let us know always up for another vid 👍

[@ninjastriker0137]

Nice vid bro