Don’t Buy This! Intel Mobile Engineering Sample for Desktop is weird

[@joawesome2319]

These motherboards have hidden bios options. To enable them, I think you need to do shift+f2. This will then unlock the tdp options

[@greebj]

quite often they do nothing. toggling a display/hide flag for stock menus from a BIOS template doesn't do anything if the actual firmware functions aren't there, which is very common in these cobbled together products

[@hawk_7000]

The "mobile chip on desktop motherboard" concept can definitely make for interesting products in some cases, but engineering samples is probably not the way to go, at least unless the product is *really* cheap and you know and accept that you can't really know what to expect.

[@zues121510]

Bought a modt board for Plex and other tasks and it's been great. The iGPU can handle almost a dozen 4k->1080p HDR streams, the idle wattage is low and CPU is really good for intense modded Minecraft scenarios, all for under 200 bucks on black Friday, the ES doesn't seem to be affecting stability or performance. Only had some issues with linux (windows was perfect), I'd heard the newest version of Ubuntu/mint was unstable but I only found out after putting in the SSD from the previous build, a downgrade fixed it 😂 The CPU is an ES version of 1280p

[@jcgongavoe337]

It's just Der8auer decided to buy a ES version chip, while Erying offers official chip on board too.

[@K31TH3R]

Back in my XOC days, there was the ASUS CT-479 adapter that enabled you to slot in a mobile Pentium Dothan CPU. Along with an OCZ Booster, which allowed for sending 4V+ to your DRAM, you could assemble a real Frankenstein monster of a thing that gave you an early preview of the upcoming performance of the first Intel Core CPUs. I'd say it was still the weirdest hodgepodge platform I've ever messed around with, but the performance you could extract from it was absolutely no joke at the time.

[@Joseph_Soares]

here i buy qtj2, an ES mobile with interposer 1151 socket. works perfect but has poor compatibility with air cooler and has limit on memory controller about 2800-2900mhz with much voltage and only on Z motherboard. work with 5700xt and 32gb without bottleneck

[@practicaltoon6589]

i bought a BD790i from Minisforum rocking a Ryzen 7945HX 16c/32t, the only downside i had was designing and manufactoring a cooler that fit the non standard form factor

[@mattelder1971]

A one week burn-in test is more than most companies give components. Hell, when I used to work for a computer shop, our standard burn-in test for new builds was one day.

[@Choochinc]

On 2 separate occasions, I've bought new laptops that completely died from a burn-in test within a day. Worst was a Lenovo laptop that died from 1 hour of full load. Power adapter still worked, power was going in, but board was stone dead.

[@enlightendbel]

@@Choochinc I had that with an Archos Cesium laptop I got for my nephew. 1 day burn in test, died. Got it replaced. 1 day burn in test, didn't die completely, but crashed and reset its bios after every reboot. Got it replaced. Survived 1 day burn in test, died after a week. Got a refund after that and forked over 200€ more for a second hand Thinkpad, which survived his entire uni studies and still works fine.

[@alistermunro7090]

If it boots then it works.

[@zeroxception]

yeah but a build doesnt need more than a short burn in. Considering your simply connecting components that should have already had burn in tests at the factory.

[@user-ot7wb8sy1v]

One day huh. My company can't be bother with even 4 hours. all we (worker) can do is about 2~15 min. if it broke you have to pay it. The rules are so shitty.

[@will_eagle]

I still have my 11900H in a box here. It was fun times messing around those chips, trying liquid metal and direct die. As mentioned, the fact that the 11th gen mobile uses 10nm instead of the 14nm in desktop, made those a great efficiency products, and with nice integrated graphics.

[@Vili69420]

Usually those ES CPU's have bad DRR5 controller, I'am aware that they sell those boards with DDR4 which allows u to go up to 4000mhz with tight timings

[@BBWahoo]

Yeah, you can get a 13980HX for 200 on baobao, I plan on using it as a low latency emulation rig. Exciting

[@aaronscrewface]

I run one of these Erying MoDT boards in my machine right now, but it doesn't have an ES chip in it, it does have an i7 14650hx that looooooooooooves running at its full 157w and I have had absolutely zero issues or complaints with it at all. 100% happy with my purchase.

[@Brisk__]

I've been wondering about those boards, How are thermals for the cpu?

[@amiwho3577]

x8 pcie is a big no no .

[@Antmattroman]

@@amiwho3577why though? GPUs will have minimal performance penalty

[@kurtczp]

​@@amiwho3577 x8 lanes but pcie 4 right? Absolutely no problems for any card that's below an 7900 xtx or a 4080. Even then the average person buying this probably wouldn't shoot that high. Even if it is gen 3 who's stuffing anything bigger than a 4070 in this thing?

[@marcogenovesi8570]

@@amiwho3577 not at this price point, nobody buys this kind of board to put a 4090 or even a 4080, it will be CPU bottlenecked well before the PCIe is an issue

[@Novus_Ordo_Conditor]

the reason why the ram slots are upside down is probably because on atx type motherboards they tried to put the vrms of the cpu in the traditional place and then put the cpu upside down for the power input pins in the bga, so the direction of the crowded parallel data lines to the ram changed and since it is almost impossible to reverse all those parallel data lines on the motherboard, they took the easy way out and put the slots upside down.

[@paulpsomiadis5847]

I have two of these mainboards, and another one for a member of my family… 1) 11900HX (ES) 2) 14900HX (Retail) 3) XEON W-11855M (Retail) Another good replacement for the paste between the chip die and the vapour chamber is Thermal Grizzly Kryosheet. The obvious thing is that these boards are NOT meant for overclocking…and yeah - most of the BIOS options don’t work, as they use factory/dev BIOS for basic operation. The actual value they represent is in the form of recycling e-waste (as long as you don’t mind running them stock) 😊

[@mmmbrunommm3]

I'm using a 11th gen right now. They can be overclocked, there are even custom BIOS for them. I wouldn't recommend it for an average user because there are plenty of bugs.

[@JohnWilliams-gy5yc]

Is this kind of $300 HX ES at 12000 CB23 @stock freq worse or better than minipc form factor at the same price?

[@fujinshu]

The Xeon WM is not that great of a deal, since it doesn't have ECC support on the motherboard, even though the CPU itself does.

[@BBWahoo]

Should I not use paste?

[@paulpsomiadis5847]

@@BBWahoo you can use paste between the vapour chamber and the normal PC heatsink, but I found that you needed to use Kryosheet between the CPU die and vapour chamber, otherwise cooling performance was not very good.

[@bhume7535]

These engineering sample CPUs really shine when reviving older systems you don't want to replace. I've an 8 core mobile CPU in an ITX Z170 system and it's definitely buggy and strange, but it DOES work. I can't really complain too much when the CPU was under $70 and after applying the BIOS was literally as simple as just installing the CPU.

[@StayMadNobodycares]

engineering samples often burn out though, They were never designed to last, only for testing purposes, I've lost money on the gamble and I will never Do it again.

[@bhume7535]

@@StayMadNobodycares I've 4 of them. Had one of them for like 5 years and it's still kicking, but that one is an unmodified i7 6700 ES and not a funky mobile one. That one didn't even need a modified BIOS.

[@vadnegru]

ES is a very broad term. QS is very similar to retail units but with low price

[@timpeng4418]

There is an ITX board with this same CPU with a lot of community made custom BIOSs with proper core OC support and DDR OC. Would be cool to check it out though.

[@lechf]

What’s the name of the itx board boss ?

[@fazendohistoria_]

Could you share the linkcs for those custom BIOS?

[@ArdgalAlkeides]

The reason these things have been interesting to me is definitely the energy efficiency, both at idle - which most computers are on most of the time, and under load. I really don't need my computer eating up as many watts as most computers do. Would've been nice to see specific comparisons vs the 7600 and 7700 X/non-X on idle as well to represent most desktop use.

[@JusstyteN]

12100 eats 1w

[@BBWahoo]

40w stock 5600z ;

[@zeyuzhang2017]

They only idle-inefficient platform is the AMD desktop processors with chiplet design. Others like Intel MSDT and AMD APUs are monolithic chips and they're technically as efficient as mobile, in which case the NICs and USB/Thunderbolt controllers could consume more compared to the chipset and CPU.

[@PainterVierax]

@@zeyuzhang2017 True. Except the last generations of intel cpus and amd APUs both of which are also chiplet now.

[@vadnegru]

​@@JusstyteNwhat about whole pc measured from the wall? 11800H system uses 50W on idle. With 3 SSDs and a bunch of fans.

[@sephondranzer]

Somebody should really tell Pat Gelsinger about th- OH WAIT!

[@der8auer-en]

no more PG-Mode. Just as Socket 1851. Also no more PG-Mode (Power Gate)

[@drewnewby]

This, and PG-Mode disabled, too funny.

[@Elinzar]

Snitchers get the stichers

[@daghtus]

Thanks Steve

[@betag24cn]

even when he was the ceo, lol

[@mapscorp]

For people in brazil that don't have much money to spend on new or official used stuff... does with DDR4 11th gen intel ES ones (11800H or 11900H ES) by Eyring like, $200 at max back then, got a lot of poor people a enjoyment to have they first gaming pc. I helped a lot of people setting up this kits here, (ram timings and undervolt in particular) even build one for my sister, running rock solid at 4.7 all core, 1.2vcore still, Just put 2 tiny fans on each VRM heat-sink, and that's it.

[@vadnegru]

I could not let it run more than 4.4 all core because of overheating. Do you use liquid metal?

[@justbubba4373]

I got an erying 11th gen i9 ES board for my dad. $200 is a crazy deal for a chip of that class even when it is crippled by power limits. Plus it's just driving a 1080, so pretty good deal for what I got when I got it. They do struggle a bit with stability in my experience though, I had to bump up voltage just a bit to keep it stable under load.

[@fdgdfgdfgdfg3811]

if power is limited you should try undervolting, it you should get better boost.

[@박메롱-k9z]

There are also non-engineering sample CPUs for sale, so be sure to check them out before you buy.

[@G_de_Coligny]

What is the difference between those (pretty please) ?

[@fujinshu]

@@G_de_Coligny non-ES CPUs are MUCH more stable then ES CPUs, since ES CPUs are designed for internal use and are much more unstable because it isn't expected for anyone to buy them for general use.

[@G_de_Coligny]

@ thanks !

[@BBWahoo]

Where at?

[@dhmo__]

어디서 사나요?

[@VHFG24]

8:32 The BIOS looks a lot like the MSI NB BIOS when unlocked, the menus are almost identical. I know MSI doesn't make BIOS, it's AMI, but surely they can theme or rearrange the menus.

[@zues121510]

It's a generic bios, lots of cheaper laptops from bigger brands look the same. I think it's fine because simple bios means quicker boot times and it's more important the bios works, they seem to be a small company and from what I've gathered they seem to need to spend a lot of time on each motherboard and CPU combo to get the bios stable, apparently needing thousands of modifications and boots. I can see how theming isn't their top priority if they only have a few employees and this might cause even more issues with stability

[@TuxikCE]

6:12 A much simpler firmware means it boots faster. I use laptops and one thing that I hate about premium laptops is because of their advanced features, their firmware is also very heavy and takes a while to boot up, whereas my other laptop which is not as premium takes like under 2 seconds to post.

[@drewnewby]

Would have to dump the BIOS, most of the time they are not simpler, they just expose less to the user. I have systems that are 5 seconds to desktop with full featured EATX boards, so 2 seconds to post isn't particularly fast.

[@すどにむ]

no it's because the delay is artificial. Longer wait better charged capacitor that's all

[@drewnewby]

@ Some are timer, not remotely all...

[@DevilbyMoonlight]

Swings and roundabouts.. fast booting is desirable in a hurry but I would rather it go through the full boot cycle from scratch than load a cached copy of a preload system state that may or may not have a flaw because of a change before the last shutdown, ever been stuck in a windows boot loop after an update?

[@mmmbrunommm3]

I have one of these boards. The problem he's facing here is that everytime you change some configs the mobo will redo the memory training. If you find a good enough config you can save it and then turns on fast boot option to avoid it doing again. It's all a matter of config.

[@johnroberts2905]

I've been running an 11800H Erying board for about 18 months as a project machine. Only real issue was a habit of pumping the thermal paste out after a couple of months so CPU started throttling. Once replaced with PTM7950 it's been decent, and happily runs at 80W TDP.

[@molly_mallard]

You must have a warehouse full of items such as this. Thanks for sharing this info!

[@VHFG24]

10:22 After applying the power limit on throttlestop, some boards need one more step for it to apply, other don't aply at all. Try to suspend windows and after 5-10 seconds wake the PC, this could help change the values. If the BIOS allows it, I just use the BIOS

[@ezforsaken]

for context, some countries have very limited import restrictions, so most people (which are already very short on cash) can't buy from mainstream websites around the web; i'm from one of those countries and Aliexpress is both allowed and functional (although it takes average 60-80 days to get your product). It's way cheaper than anything local, so getting one of these combo motherboards (cheaper ones like 11th gen are under 200) fit the import restrictions and are decent enough to get us working and gaming,

[@WORLDtomsk]

Какой играть 😂 иди деньги зарабатывай!

[@ylandry0783]

i used a non-engineering sample version of a 12700HK to do a makeshift homelab/nas combo for a friend on a budget. While i didn't test for anything but stability, he's quite happy considering it sips almost nothing on idle and still has the grunt needed when running his containers/vm's. It's basically a gamble, but the odds aren't bad! It reminds me, i should check if there's any bios updates since it came out, i heard Erying isn't great on after sale support...

[@tacoin]

just try F1~F12 in bios menu. For Erying, it's F8. You can set the TDP for 13900HX to 330W and it will get nearly the same performance as 14700K. At half price and lower temperature.

[@krazybonnie5523]

I used to use the erying 11th gen ES motherboard It wasn't the best, the VRM was quite underpowered(needed a fan to not overheat), the memory controller was bad(like a B die 3200 cl14 could only run cl16) But performance was pretty ok once i ran it direct die, had to use an AIO(like original h100, the coolit ones) as my custom loop's block was too bulky It also seems to work with XTU, the best result i got was 4.8 on 4 cores and 4.6 on the other 4 (the cpu wasn't centered, so some cores were better cooled and could tolerate higher clock without tjmax) Managed to get it to score just below a 5700x on R23, so i was pretty happy considering it cost ard 120 USD(without shipping) from taobao But, I had to swap it out as i needed a X4 slot for a 10g NIC, so i sold it to my friend and it's still going strong with a rx 6800 & 32gb of ddr4 3200(i did put back the heatspreader thou)

[@cburgess7]

i like weird boards like this, and I wish they were more common from reputable name brands to have more power efficient, console-like gaming PCs.

[@robertlawrence9000]

It's always interesting to see what engineering samples can do. Thanks for the video!

[@mattlamb8084]

I've been using my Erying 11900h ES board for about 2 years and I've never had an issue. I did put a ptm7950 pad between the CPU die and the heat spreader and it helped with temps immensely

[@cleanycloth]

I have an Erying Polestar G613 motherboard in my server and it has been absolutely fantastic. Cheap as chips (ha), using an engineering sample based on the i9-11900H if I remember correctly. I chucked 64GB RAM at it (at full 3200MHz!), a 10gig Ethernet NIC, a 500GB boot NVMe, and 4 4TB hard drives, and it hasn't once complained.

[@Monomanco322]

So for the computer to turn on with the xmp configuration in the bios Save and exit The pc auto turn off Immediately remove the 24 pin cable Wait like 20 seconds Put back the 24 pin And thats all? Some question, it have the be the 24 pins and only that cable ? I cant just remove the power cable?

[@toni_capo]

The sellers of these motherboards use to have secondary bioses with better combatility for fine-tuning that they will send to you if you ask. I have two Erying 11th series and it took a few months with a small community of users to figure out how to get it to work (almost) everything. One thing must be said that the ES samples they sell use to be discarted chips and some things may not work or not as intended. pcie lanes are the major issue and ram compatibility the second.

[@mikeymaiku]

you know those "pcie 2.0" lanes got fixed into pcie gen 4 lanes. those "new" 13950h chips with x16 pcie lanes is pretty crazy.

[@toni_capo]

@@mikeymaiku I didn't know about those 12tth and 13th gen so much. it was enough mess for me with the 11th. The problem on the Tiger Lake ES was the pcie lanes managed by the System Agent. Not all the lanes are stable at full speed and it needs to be set to Gen.1 for stability, and that sucks. My other 11800H non ES works rock solid.

[@stefanpotirniche]

Roman, I also saw some motherboards with an integrated mobile cpu on aliexpress, but one of them has a ryzen 7000 series mobile cpu on it. The problem is that all the listings have 30 orders max and this itx motherboard is presented as a nas motherboard. The only good thing is the ryzen 9 7940hs soldered on it for about 300 euros. What do you think about making a video about this weirdly priced cpu and motherboard combo?

[@TOPC科技]

We have the Intel 12th and 13th and 14th generations as well as the HX series on the MODT platform. We are currently maintaining the R23 record of 14900HX on HWBOT, and we do not use liquid nitrogen. This is just one of the models we have. We also have the Interesting models in the AMD series of MODT platforms include R9 7945HX3D, R9 7940HS, R7 7840HS and R9 6900HX, our channel has not yet been fully established. We will release all the interesting content of the MODT platform in the channel in the future. It is not expensive, but has good performance compared to the desktop.

[@ZombieLurker]

Craft Computing did a few videos on using these boards in his server rack. So this will be a fun watch. He had some pretty great things to say about them for his use case at least.

[@Anomyzer24]

I have one of those with an i9 12900hk (engineering sample 0000) and it works great i had it for 5 months now and works really well i got the i9 running at 5ghz stable

[@gabest4]

For the intel extreme program to work, you can usually edit the bios and add an option to unlock it ("overclock lock" or similar). But I've only done this once for a notebook. You are expected to know how to save and restore the eeprom of course.

[@TechFreak94]

I got a similar model from the company, but it was not an engineering sample grade model and while the BIOS was not great, its been reliable, fast, and easy to keep cool

[@kainlamond]

I currently use a 11ths gen ES as my only computer for about a year now, even with an ARC 770 haven't had any issues. Can pump about 115w @ 4.8 though the CPU when going all out in Lightwave3D gaming at about 46w all on a basic air cooler. and i know i don't have a great sample. all in all whole system with 32Gb ram, 2TB SSD and 850w PSU cast me about 550 (with the ARC 770 16GB )

[@alancarr195]

I own a few the lga 1151 mutants like qtj0(8 core 16 thread) comparable to like 9900-10900hk in specs, intel xtu has been my best friend with these cpus, they need to be tuned from new and set power limits it would pull 225w by default while boosting turbo clocks unlimited time, after a slight undervolt and 165w power limiter and playing with my clocks I was able to get 12700k multi thread results on cinebench r23. So for 70$ with z370 motherboard can't rly beat the price to performance its delivering on that socket. Xeons could prob compete with that but for what I paid for the cpus with a tuned profile set they been beasts.

[@mikeymaiku]

there was the time the mutants were good. today it just makes more sense to get the newer stuff. dont get me wrong, i love my QQLS/ QTJ1/ Xeon e-2286m builds , but the price is not worth it anymore unless you happen to have a board sitting around...only recently those chips started to dip under 100 Cad and ive been using the mutants since they were "new" on the computer scene...

[@alancarr195]

@mikeymaiku I mean guess depends on the region? I paid 110$ usd for msi z370 matx and qtj1 recently. And guess depends on your sources, I've paid 70$ for qtj0, 60$ qtj1 and 38$ qtj2 and around 40-60$ for motherboards (all usd and after cashing out not before shipping or taxes but I used some promo coupons avaliable regularly)

[@alancarr195]

@mikeymaiku of course they still don't fit all use cases but for like 1080p/1440p budget gaming pc(using higher end cards couple gens old)or anything needing decent multi thread performance on a budget, not much rly compares on the Intel side rn for that price point, I mean like 3700x/3900x and b550 on amd side still cost you more and the good batches of qtj0 spank 3700x

[@cjhawk67]

I've been running the i9 11900h ES variant of these Eyring boards back when you could get them for $120 shipped 2 going on 3 years ago its been a great value

[@KN100]

I've had one of these running as a proxmox home server for around 2 years now (I got one with a 12800k "equivalent" ES cpu. Works fantastically and the price was right

[@milescarter7803]

11:00 A 14700 (non K) is at 32774 drawing 219w when I looked up some results. It is about the same money to purchase a motherboard and the 14700 as it is this Erying. I think almost twice the performance for same cost is OK. Even a $164 12700KF gets 22784 in R23 benchmark. With a $60 motherboard you are looking at $220. So better performance for even less money. (And if you are gaming on 8 P cores probably a better proposition). Personally I am trying an 8700F and B650. Also 8 cores, and x8 PCIe link, but can later upgrade the CPU, also was only $125 for CPU and $50-60 for a used B650. I can later move to 7700 or 7800x3d/9800x3d.

[@legomaniac601]

If I got something like this I would mostly use it for a mutlipurpse machine, run it as a combo Nas, gamer server, and router, where gaming performance doesnt really matter where having the extra core could be handing and it being pretty low power would be a nice little bonus

[@joshuaroefs9279]

I had one of these early on in their production of them. the engineering samples, from my understanding, are hit or miss, but they do make them with official chips sometimes and those tend to do well. the one I had was strange and the motherboard somehow shorted against the case through the standoffs? Using plastic standoffs fixed it and honestly, it was a great little system when I had it. the absolute perfect HTPC imo

[@shadowarez1337]

Was looking at these to be my new TrueNas server but decided I need to be able to give my VM some Juice so went with a delidded direct die cooled 7980Xe a Asus Sage WS x299 board and 256gb of G.Skill Trident Z 3600mhz Kit. 12x24tb Seagate Exos drives. Figure I can turn off cores when I really only need a seed box or just enough to run windows for grabbing my Media.

[@RMabudabi]

Get 13950HX Q1LP for LGA1700 motherboards, running mine 5.8/4.6 1.4v, bought for 160$

[@OneBiOzZ]

I made HMIs at my last job and intel would just toss dev/sample boards at us left and right and they looked pretty similar except for the heat spreader, black PCB and lack of aux connectors you never had on hand and had to order in and yeah you could configure almost every one of them to boot extremely fast, very useful for things like HMI and signage

[@kalark]

i bought one of these erying motherboards a couple years ago that have the 11800h (or something eng sample equiv) and have been using it in a home server build! I love that it's a mobile chip so it uses less power than a desktop cpu and runs way cooler. I mostly just use it for running a few vms and a jellyfin server, fantastic value @ around 170

[@cloro1619]

Hi, in this mobo bios can resizable bar and 4g decoding get enabled? i was watching these mobo but i have an rx6600

[@matejsojka6683]

I bought cheaper MB with 12700H and I was able in hidden menu change power limits... I didnt want to go over 150W but it scaled nicely with power. The best thing about that motherboard was that in windows I was able enable / disable on the fly the intel turbo... When I disabled that I had a super effecient internet / work pc with cpu not going over 30W, and when I enabled turbo I had nice boost for high load apps. The reason I bought that was for NAS and vritaulization. I lowered power limits in bios to 45W and it runs flawlessly... When you need a powerfull machine on low power it is a good choice. If you are going for maximum performance there are better choices for sure.

[@7w4Term3lon]

you should do the bd790i cuz the 7945hx looks a lot like the 7950x that your direct die waterblock works with *wink wink* would be pretty sweet to get that watercooled and no i'm not asking for a friend. i'm asking for myself. i mean its a pretty solid mobo from minisforum. anyways awesome video as usual

[@peteeberhardt3769]

What are and where do you get the plants that are on your desk?

[@icmann4296]

I ran into the ram speed issue. You have to go back to the Overclock Performance screen and enable that. Then and only then will the RAM speed be able to be changed. Mine is the 11th Gen, 11900HK, but I immediately recognized what you showed on the screen - it was the same for mine.

[@LiveType]

Beware of these engineering sample chips from china. You're gambling with what you get out of them. Theyre cheap enough where the risk is "acceptable" but if you buy enough you'll eventually get one that's ridiculously marginal. I got 4 of them before getting one where pcie barely worked. Took hours to figure out that's what the problem was. Sometimes you get lucky and get everything fully working. These are insane deals if that happens. Nothing else competes. Even used market has a hard time competing with these mobile chips.

[@drewnewby]

The dirty little not so secret is they are not really ES. They're dies that could not be binned to a specific SKU, and find their way out of the fab regardless.

[@MrFaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa]

@@drewnewby OH. that explains how SO MANY es make it into the wild

[@mojojomo6750]

If you're not a big gamer, or as in this instance, you're just interested in doing a liquid metal temperatures comparison, you should opt for the 'ES' boards, without the PCI connector - I got mine for just €142, half the price of what was forked out here! And so far, I'm happy with my purchase.

[@TBizzle102]

The 11th gen ES MoDT from Erying are an excellent bang for the buck. Non-ES 11th gen boards start to creep up in price & with a great sale/Aliexpress promo code it could be worth it but I will say they aren't perfect. The 12th & 13th gen ES "setups" are a bit too expensive & I've had a lot of issues with mine. So 11th gen ES on a great sale paired with a RTX 3050/3060 & solely remote desktop into that PC (via Parsec or Moonlight/Sunshine) makes for an excellent experience when your personal cloud gaming VMs are locked out of certain games due to anti-cheat and you just want to play "that one" game. For me its just Arma 3 bc BattleEye kicks me out of servers when playing Arma 3 but is perfectly fine to let me play DayZ...

[@asadhossain522]

In that situation (debugging method) you could try to just switch off your psu which is same as removing 24 pin from motherboard. The PSU switch off and on method works for me.

[@ChrisHalden007]

Cool concept. Will definitely buy one. Thanks

[@georgenovtekov4351]

Something is off here. I have minis forum with 13900HX with 90W and 150W boost limits. First run I got 29000pts and when processor declock to long term boost 25000 pts. Clocks that I observ in CB23 are 3800 first pass and than 3000mhz second.

[@DJdoppIer]

Box package: _"Game Motherboard"_ Me: _"Ah yes, much surprise. Very wow."_

[@paulpsomiadis5847]

@@DJdoppIer Can has cheeseburger performance, much speed 8-)

[@HaveYouTriedGuillotines]

The Chinese dual Xeon server motherboard I purchased, which has quad channel ECC RAM, is labeled "gaming" as well. I dunno for sure why Chinese companies do this, but I suspect it's to help them fly under the radar when undercutting overpriced, name brand hardware by companies that would probably get their crook friends in Washington to go after their Chinese competitors.

[@JoeRadiation]

have 11th gen mobo with eng sample cpu - works 3 years as nas with unraid - 0 problems

[@Igbf]

I tested an older version of a motherboard from this manufacturer (11800H) and my experience is similar: lots of problems with RAM (even 3200MT/s was a challenge on a good bide kit, sometimes it went fine, the next day did not go past memory training) In the past at least they were very cheap. Nowadays, not very interesting from what I see. If purchased “for fun” I would recommend to go for one with an unlocked processor so it can be overclocked at least, the thermal headroom is there.

[@FilippoCarrux]

For ram overclocking you have to unlock the bios and the overclocking menu. I have two of this with retail cpu, 11850h and 13700hx. With a lot of tuning I am able to reach 5.0p 4.0E. undervolt heavy on core and cache help a lot. I cool both with a peerless assassin 120. -125mv on core and -100 chache. I always avoid es CPUs because the majority of them are early samples and have a lot of problems. But with final products they work like a charm.

[@PlayingItWrong]

If you laptop efficiency in a server/nas these boards often have much less compatibility issues there.

[@Malumen]

In my experience with modding these motherboard BIOS, never try XMP. It never works. Instead there is another menu (might need to be unlocked) where you can raise the "maximum speed" of the memory clocks, and then the mobo will select its own maximum speed for the RAM. If IMON is available you could use -10 or -25 to trick more power to the CPU. Definitely feels like finding a similar mobile platform and finding the values to unlock more BIOS features is necessary (or, like you found, the BIOS settings don't seem to actually affect the platform). Harvesting these kinds of mobile-CPU soldered chips into motherboards is super niche-scenario. NAS, user terminal, etc.. For 290$ that is insane.

[@zefirshaman]

Such boards are very demanding to ram sticks. Previously such board manufacturers was listing ram sticks specs which will work and OC with no problems. You should also consider flashing custom bios to unlesh its full potential. Speaking about price, in Russia on Ozon marketplace we had 14900HX based board for like 110$ (performance similar to 13600k desktop) before dollar spike. It was obviously a nobrainer. These boards are rabbit hole, and i personally would like to watch some vids from you considering the amount of knowledge you have.

Dear Roman. When i look on your 14900KS R23 multicore score. I hit on my Amd setup with R9 5950X 30700 points on windows 11 24H2. Of course. For Cinebench R15, R20 and R23 works pretty well if you set in taskmanager realtime priority for program. Final score will be better. Doesnt work for Cinebench R24. R24 is a very different program.

[@r3drumg33k3]

Wouldn't you have been better off with some Hynix A die in 16gb instead of using the 24gb M die sticks? At least for compatibility reasons?

[@henriquehff]

What happens when you try to install windows 11 with this processor (even if it has tpm 2.0), does it install normally?

[@yakacm]

I've got a 2nd gen Intel system that I had added NVMe support to the BIOS, and that is by far the fastest booting machine I have.

[@DaemonForce]

This thing is like THE bare minimum that I expect from a MicroATX or SFF board. A mess of display options, good M.2 options and one full size PCI-E slot with 2xSATA and a USB3 header. Would be a great way to run an always on storage server. Does it have any virtualization features to run containers?

[@ChrisKoups]

At 9:52 you mentioned 4800 again but it is actually 5600, not sure if you run any benchmarks to confirm that...

[@DLTX1007]

Someone might have mentioned it but these are effectively Alder Lake H chips since the Raptor Lake H chips aren't architecturally different. And yeah, neither is Alder Lake H really anything like a Alder Lake S either cept for the cores

[@springtrap3578]

will you make review of the MTT-s80? i really wanna see your thoughts on the chinese gpu

[@kevinroosa1315]

Would love to see a re-ball with a retail chip.

[@Disgracefool]

There is 1 PCI-E Gen 5 Graphics card. The MTT S80 😂

[@mmmbrunommm3]

At 8:51 you need to use a custom profile to change frequency and timmings.

[@8lec_R]

This doesn't make sense for gaming. But for a homelab, it's perfect. Great power efficiency

[@sgottoboni]

That was a very fast boot. WOW! Memory training will take longer.

[@drewnewby]

$290, no way, I do 7500F combos with a good board and 32 GB 6000 CL30 for under $350, and 5700X3D with an even better board and 32 GB 3600 CL18 for under $300. I would like to see how the one at $120 will perform

[@mycosys]

Or Ryzen 5700 if you want that low power monolithic.

[@drewnewby]

@mycosys True, but I can't get the 5700 for less than either of the above anymore.

[@Al_Lergic]

The 7500 is ancient af and has only 4c/4t

[@drewnewby]

@Al_Lergic You seem to be confused, may want to double check your googling...

[@mattrogers6646]

​@Al_LergicHe is referring to AM5 Ryzen 7500F, not Intel 7th Gen. It is obvious because he references 6000MT/s RAM which can only be DDR5.

[@mcstando]

I do wonder what disassembly of bios code would reveal?

[@ghosthk]

I got this ES boardfew month ago, it seems working well in windows, but it fails the whole PVE enviroment, very unstable.

[@devl547]

You should definitely buy this! // Posted as a user of Erying 13850HX mobo)

[@DannyKaae-sd4is]

Some memory sticks need a bit higher voltage when you set it to XMP. Typically it runs at 1.20 volts but need 1.35 volts when setting it to run with XMP. This is normal.

[@RM-hn6ir]

I have one of the early ones 11th gen ES. Thing has made a great NAS.

[@tristankordek]

Save the question to motherboard manufacturers on a sticky note "Why does POST on motherboards take so long?" The main reason for switching to UEFI was supposed to be to reduce the time from turning on the computer to loading the operating system.

[@SiliconExarch]

If you think this boots quickly you should try one of ASRock's Ryzen-based Deskmini systems without a chipset.

[@TOPC科技]

Tenemos las generaciones Intel 12, 13 y 14, así como la serie HX en la plataforma MODT. Actualmente mantenemos el registro R23 de 14900HX en HWBOT y no utilizamos nitrógeno líquido. También tenemos modelos interesantes en la serie AMD de plataformas MODT que incluyen R9 7945HX3D, R9 7940HS, R7 7840HS y R9. 6900HX, nuestro canal aún no se ha establecido por completo. Lanzaremos todo el contenido interesante de la plataforma MODT en el canal en el futuro. No es caro, pero tiene un buen rendimiento en comparación con el escritorio.

[@simonb252]

i have the topc version of this board and it has a hidden bios mode. it scores 20000 in r23 with -170mv undervolt 150w powerlimit

[@Levent_Ergun]

I bought 3 mini pcs from aliexpress and all 3 have had issues with their bioses. I wish they would at least attempt to figure out software.

[@AsmodeusExx]

I want put one of this on my dual system phanteks enthoo pro II... And use for light gaming and light work with low power consumption with an rtx a2000 or a4000

[@mad_mario_]

I was just ordering 100 of these! Omg bauer now I have to cancel my order! 😝

[@cptcrogge]

I got a few of these with "normal" CPUs, not engineering ones and they run like a charm and deliver high speeds while using barely any power.

[@pavlins123]

At 9:52 you're saying that mem is running at 4800, but CPU-Z is showing 5600Mhz.

[@EspHack]

6:24 0 bloat? I remember my vista-7 system had like 10s boot time with a sata2 spinner, now I'm lucky to be under 40s on nvme w11

[@satibel]

Good ol' wirth's law.

[@Teksers]

I think that like most mobile CPU's it will run memory sticks that have JEDEC profile that means a max of 5600Mt/s. I also have and Erying motherboard with a 13500H on it and I could only use JEDEC memory to run it at 3200Mt/s(yes it is a DDR4 board). Any other memory modules used it will run at the defaul 2133, 2400 or 2666Mt/s.

[@kBitre]

Curious, do ppl make 3rd party bios' for these kinds of mbs?; It'd prob be better.

[@mikeymaiku]

ill stick to my 13900h(k) ES . i wont argue as i only paid 250 CAD for the whole thing. and yes unclocked bios for 5.7 all core at 1.2v :D

[@JordanSpinks-e6f]

How many you think broke right...micro just arced over on a box and stuff came on tho...

[@AlbertRavoir]

I did try this Cinebench R23 under linux with wine : multicore 22055, one core 1605 points

[@user-ji4ue4vs8y]

They sell it localy cheaper but for shipping they over charge