Don't buy this Tudor Black Bay Pro homage until you've watched this! | San Martin SN0054-G-B1 Review

[@paultollervey2635]

Hey Pip - glad to see you finally got round to making the video!! Cheers for the shout out - still loving the BB Pepsi GMT homage.

[@LumePip]

Nice one, Paul! Glad you’re still enjoying it - I’m thinking of getting another in white 🤷🏼‍♂️😅

[@lieutenantkettch]

A homage to the Tudor Black Bay Pro. Which is itself a homage to the Explorer II 1655. It's Homageception!

[@sir59]

I bought this exact watch in the white(cream) dial NH34 version about a month ago…it has yet to come off my wrist. Perfect watch 10/10 recommend. I bought it at ~$275

[@LumePip]

Would have to be the white version for me, too, and if I decide to pick one up again, it'll definitely be that one I go for!

[@sir59]

In regards to Sugess, I just bought their the Rolex Explorer 2 homage. Seestern Heritage S436 GMT for $239

[@ramy8700]

I just bought San martins for $185 today 😊

[@WristWatching]

Fantastic review mate! Completely agree regarding San Martin’s increasing prices. Other brands are creeping up in quality while maintaining their competitive prices. I have the Sugess GMT on the way, can’t wait to see how that turns out.

[@LumePip]

I'll keep my eyes peeled for your review!

[@WristWatching]

@@LumePip Thanks mate! The watch is stuck in Portugal customs hell 🙃

[@brockadcock2735]

This watch is far from over priced. Come on don't be silly. This watch is more affordable and more wearable.

[@nikc1313]

I got this watch under 200 with a voucher off Ali. Zero complaints, its an awesome watch. I actually prefer the printed markers and logo to the updated model with the applied ones. Think it works better with the overall design.

[@craggerrs]

100% agree on the printed logo - I have one with and without and the latter not only looks better but the watch itself was quite a bit cheaper

[@not-a-raccoon]

I just picked up the green dial variant for 223 dollars during the summer sale. I'm pretty happy with that price

[@turnbasedtoddy7664]

I still feel like san martins prices are justified. I can’t think of one watch with these specs I can get for the same price or lower as this. In fact the owner put out a pretty long blog on why the prices where going up a little.

[@MirrlyonTime]

Literally just added a San martin homey to my cart as I’m thinking of getting one to scratch the look itch. I did get a pagani that looks like the blue Pelagos and it’s well over half price if the sm, but it’s quite disappointing for a pagani. To me, the prices don’t justify choosing one of them over a pagani or another ali brand, and I’ve had two San gave one away, and had qc issues (not deal breaking) with both. But definitely you are going to get a much better watch with them, but my qc issues and follow up with the San martin store was disappointing to say the least…..great video….for now I have one in my cart and may pull the trigger instead of trying to save for one, and sugess I will definitely check out. Thanks for the video!

[@LumePip]

Nice one, mate! I think once you get stung once, it's hard to forgive (at least in my case), so wouldn't blame you for not giving them another go. But I also reviewed their other GMT Pepsi homage and thought that was great. I sometimes see them pop up for good prices on FB Marketplace and eBay and stuff, so sometimes I just buy there, too - that way at least I avoid going above the £200-£250 range for them. But with the Sugess being cheaper than this (I think about £195 in the Ali Discovery promo), I might have to get one, too!

[@gilbertoflores7397]

I only ever pick up San Martin watches during sales, they are definitely charging a little more and more for not that much better quality increase. So during the sales with coupons, coins and all the other codes they're usually well under 200 dollars, which is very reasonable. So its usually best to wait many months before buying one, especially best to wait for a V2 because most of the V1 have something that could be improved.

[@sdm107]

£225 is still very good value for money. Seiko movement, good finishing, screw down crown etc. Hard to find a better finished watch at this price

[@mixodorians12]

Bought the new one of these, with applied indices for 140 quid. Get over there and get the 38 quid discount.

[@LumePip]

Oh, nice! That's a great price and I'd definitely go with the applied indices. 👌

[@woozertoo]

I love how you just kept filming yourself sitting there in the background, looking around aimlessly, as the spec sheet flashed onto the screen

[@ianrusso8790]

I really like San Martin I can't wait to get them all...well the nice ones at least and I do agree with you

[@brianmurphy8154]

Good vid...I agree...some of the shine has come off of SM as their prices have gone up. If they could stay around The $200-$250 range, they would really be the diamond they use to be. Some of their models now go well about $350 or $400...They are well made but as the prices go up, there becomes more competition and original designs....still, Im a Fan Martin as well....

[@davemck1887]

Exactly Brian, my thinking too mate.

[@LumePip]

Nice one, Brian! I think the models they offer at that price should come with Swiss movements, and I think most do, but now they're selling watches with the YN55 movement for, like, £200-£250. Ditto with NH35s. I can remember their Water Ghost (Subby homage) models being about £135 at one point, still great SM finishing and the Seiko movement. Now those sort of prices are reserved for their clearance models. If I'm going above £200, I suppose a GMT movement is OK, but above £300 and I want Swiss, whcih isn't always a guarantee with SM now. Plus, I mean, some of the blemishes on the handset on this example would've been an anomaly with SM watches at one point. Will it stop me buying more? Nah, but I hope they see this and others making videos whinging and maybe do something about it! 😅

[@error4159]

@@LumePip I completely agree with you but I would have paid anything they asked for their SN012 Helm homage cause I fucking hate waiting list and insane ebay flipper prices, lol

[@ShutupNerd]

Try brands like proxima and heimdallr

[@karlsenula9495]

Got this exact San Martin (applied indices & hex logo) in the last sale for $233.87. At that price I think they are still worth it ... however at the $350-$400 price tag I too would begin to reconsider. San Martin stand out in the homage market for excellent finishing, good solid specs and few QC issues (I don't think any brand is totally QC issue free including Seiko and Rolex). For reference I have two San Martin's but am by no means an automatic fan boy - like every watch they have to catch my interest stylistically, have good specs and have multiple good reviews. Sugess wasn't available at the time ... so it is tough for me to compare.

[@LumePip]

Ditto, mate. I've had QC issues with SM's in the past myself - the Pepsi GMT bezel was misaligned, for example. I think we got used to near-flawless execution from them and now a combo of little things out of place and rising prices have led me to checking out the likes of Sugess and Seestern, and to a lesser extent other Ali brands, before SM.

[@karlsenula9495]

@@LumePip... so far good luck with my San Martin's ... the other brands you mentioned also have good reputations (Sugess and Seestern).

[@toddfleury7324]

SAN Martin is underrated and if you disagree I’ll fight you

[@AlexanderB.]

Oh no, aunts don't talk about lume formulas! 😂 Excellent stuff, mate, as always, but I disagree on the applied logo. The printed one is just right. Tudor also does printed logos, and this doesn't make their watches look any cheaper. I'm looking forward to your take on the Sugess! 👍

[@davemck1887]

👍

[@LumePip]

Nice one, Alex! 🙌 I think the printed logo on the Tudor is spot on. I used to think it almost looke dlike it was stitched into the dial - that's how beautiful it was. (Can you tell I'm a Tudor fan?) But I think SM's logo is always best applied. And as for the Sugess, part of me is worrying about reviewing it because I'll have to say the word 'Sugess' a lot 🤣

[@Oak432]

People who still deny the fact that all these aliexpress "watch brands" haven't roots in counterfeit watch mass production are delisionals. They have aquired, knowledges, equipments, funds, people by being pillars of the counterfeit watch industry.

[@daviddesrosiers1300]

I just bought an Addiesdive BBpro. It’s quartz but it was only $65 on Amazon and delivered in two days. I was skeptical about quartz because automatic is better. But for well under $100 it’s great!

[@NICKVST]

I have this watch and I’m happy with it saves me a lot of money over the alternative Tudor gmt

[@harrietboulding1459]

Fair comments as always. Great video!

[@marko8698]

Another great video. But Your Aunt wasn’t even there she was away seeing Magic Mike while your uncle was out selling Avon. Only Lume she seen was on the luminous condoms she had in her purse she had them in case she got lucky on her girls night out 😂

[@watchluster]

SM pricing is getting out of hand, there are brands doing equal work and providing just as much value but SM with it's reputation is trying to go big and well let them try, as consumers you can decide and tell them to F it up their behind cuz it's just crazy how much increase they've put on their watches in the past year. At one point it's just not a value conscious option and I'd at that point just save up for the real deal in more cases than not. I'd never buy a TUDOR nor a TUDOR homage so I'll pass on this specific watch. Cheers and way to keep it real.

[@LumePip]

Nicely put, mate

[@user-ji2hn5pe3n]

It is the best BB pro alternative! Much slimmer and the finishing is not much worse. The Seiko movemrnt is easy to replace and very reliable and well to regulate. The price has allredy come down to around 170€, extremrly good watch for the price and much better to wear than the BB pro, which is much to clumsy.

[@sivanstar]

Thank you for the review! I have the black pvd full lume seestern monster. That thing has a great finish and i love it. I have the Seestern GS diver and it had some issues which i fixed, clasp that wasnt as good as the bracelet and tue bezel was very light. Some alignment issues in the dial unfortunately. I have the sugess moonphaser master and that thing is implacable, the leather strap was ok and the clasp was flimsy, quickly replaced it with a strapcode mesh. What im saying here, sm is overpriced. I do think they have slightly better finishing but it doesn't justify the price. Some sugess ot seestern equivalent models cost 100 usd less! I would like to iwn one in the future but at thise prices i go for original designs fron silid microbrands.. Sorry abt the long comment have a good one buddy!

[@adk7962]

I basically agree with everything you say here. Well maybe not your uncle’s opinion of white hands. Ha! Sugess’ Sister Seestern. Say that ten times fast! Great and entertaining video as always mate!

[@LumePip]

Sugess’ Sister Seestern. Sugess’ Sister Seestern. Sugess’ Sister Seestern. Sugess’ Sister Seestern. Sugess’ Sister Seestern. Sugess’ Sister Seestern. Sugess’ Sister Seestern. Sugess’ Sister Seestern. Sugess’ Sister Seestern. Sugess’ Sister Seestern. There, I said it. You'll have to take my word for it that I also said it out loud and absolutely nailed it without covering my laptop in spittle. 😅

[@IRguyIR]

I will never understand why are people buying "homage" watches. It's a stolen design from a brand, and the owner tries to look like someone who can afford the original. It's just pathetic. I don't have watches which cost over 2K, have no need to look fake. But I appreciate the design and hard work of many companies, providing us with something original. But I like your videos. Well made, great humor.

[@chuckyfriends]

Every watch makers copied from other watch makers, it started started way back... Rolex started making dive watches in 1954, and the Blancpain 50 fathoms came out in 1953. However Squale were making dive watches in 1950 before them both, I dont know if anyone made dive watches before that, but what is sure is Rolex was in catch up and to some extent making a homage, so it what it is..

[@LumePip]

Thanks for the kind words, mate. I think people fall one side of the fence or the other on the homage thing and you're on the other side to those who like them, and that's completely fair enough! If we all agreed on these things, the world would be a pretty boring place. I think there's value to be had at every level and (possibly unfortunately) a lot of value at the budget end of things is from the homage brands, at least in terms of build quality and finishing.

[@robertmcnee682]

Very good as always

[@TheRudeboyrebel]

I picked up the new San Martin GMT, BB pro Homage, which has the black face and applied indices (E1). I paid £132 in the sales. I really think it's a beauty. The only thing I could wish for is an on the fly clasp, but at the price I paid, Can I really grumble? Nah!

[@james460xvryee]

The sugess bb pro homage is better. Applied indices and on the fly micro adjustment

[@johnmonachelli5256]

Sugess is always great you definitely need to try the daytona Homage

[@LumePip]

I do!

[@MAGR1994]

Just bought it at the 11:11 Ali sale for $160. The black with applied indices.

[@Michael-rp6lk]

I have been watching this one too. Looks great. Will you review san martin and Octopus pelagos ?

[@LumePip]

I’ve got my eye on them both, but need to move some stuff out to free up funds! The Octopus looks a bit more interesting given it looks like it’s actually going a bit more all-in for the Pelagos. Seems to have that shimmering bezel insert and it has the PT5000, which I’ve only had positive experiences with tbf. The SM one looks really nice, and will be really well finished, I’m sure, but wish they’d offered more movement options. I’d have probably just gone for it and bought an SW200 or ETA 2824 version! 🤷🏼‍♂️

[@drdesign6886]

Is a homage of a homage homaging the homage or homaging the original watch the homage is homaging? Whatever the answer is they are all homages.

[@LumePip]

My brain hurts

[@ragnarone5409]

I am a hommage to my parents.

[@raven_of_zoso455]

I have both a SM, a Sugess and a Seestern, and the build quality is pretty good on all of them considering the price, my Sugessis probably the least impressive of the three, but still a well made watch. The Seestern I bought in a covid fever haze, after watching your video and feeling absolutely terrible about myself, because Grand Tour were literally in my neighbourhood the same week I got that damn glorified flu, and I couldn't go see them because of that and the extreme fever. Then it got even worse because one of my favourite men, James May, smashed one of my favourite cars, the Evo VIII. But, I digress, what I was gonna say, was that this San Martin looks like it has some really insane finishing, those hands look super crisp, and those chamfered edges on the side of the case is also gorgeous. If it wasn't for the fact that I already have 4 watches on the list I want to buy, I think I might would look into either this or the Sugess. Thanks for another good video, Pip! I quite enjoy your content and witty comments. You're just like Chris Evans, if Chris Evans was entertaining and intelligent, and had vaguely more charisma than something just pulled from a drain.

[@LumePip]

I'm gonna assume you're referring to the Chris Evans of Captain America fame and say, yes, I'm definitely more charismatic than him... 😅 I love(d) the Seestern and am currently fighting the urge to buy one in the teal or navy colourway. As for The Grand Tour, I've actually got my own Clarkson nod in the next vid...but like you, James May would be my preference if going just shooting the shit over a pint. The hands are crisp, but some blemishes on there! I'm wondering if a blacked-out handset would eradicate that issue and mean a more legible dial (off-set against the white dial, of course).

[@raven_of_zoso455]

@Lume Pip May would be a great bloke to drink with, for sure. And he's also a bit of a watch-geek, which is cool. The Seestern looks really nice in teal, I got the navy blue one with the ceramic bezel, I tend to keep it on a brown leather strap, but it is really versatile no matter what you have it on. Personally, I am debating a Certina DS Action in 43mm now, and then I probably sell my San Martin Sub (SN0017-G v.2) and maybe the Seestern too. Edit: And yes, a black hand set would probably be a nice feature for that one with a white dial.

[@waynedennett]

San martin don't regerlate their watches as far as I know, the newer version does have the applied logo and indecese. The loom certainly won't be as good on the painted version. All prices are going up so that's not surprising. The great thing for us is that the other Chinese brands have had to up their game so we get more choices

[@commentjedi]

This hobby forces u 2 notice details. This SM with an all painted dial looks great! The later, cheaper version with the applied indices ...the dial is too deep now. Looks off to my eye. Same thing happened to SM's gmt-master, vintage, pepsi homage...when they made the cheaper version. SM changed from a Hangzhou gmt to an NH34 gmt. Dial looks too deep and now looks off.

[@shino8854]

Everyone complains about made in China, but at the same time they want to pay peanuts for their products. 😂😂 if you want decent quality you have to pay for it, not complain about it. If you think about it, pay 200 quid for a watch that costs 50 quid to produce, or pay 4K for a watch that costs 500 quid to produce, who is really taking advantage of the consumer.

[@LumePip]

I think people just want the brands to make small adjustments to improve the overall quality of the products. It works. With each iteration, they generally get better, and often for the same money

[@davidlaurenson5462]

I just ordered this San Martin from Ali Express with black dial and applied indices

[@MrPINKFL0YD]

Prices have gone up with inflation by at least 15% in the last two years so that needs to be taken into account. I'm not a SanMartin fan boy but I'm wearing a water ghost v3..

[@LumePip]

Yeah, I think it’d be good to see more new models at that sort of £150/$180 price mark OUTSIDE of the sales. I did review their Glashutte SeaQ homage and that was only £130 and was fantastic

[@doobeedoo2]

Very enjoyable video

[@chrisjohns2210]

Sugess is the way

[@LumePip]

I might have to just get one and see for myself if my hypothesis bears fruit

[@thegorn]

San Martin are the bomb.

[@timeintheuk]

Hour hands a fraction short just a hair

[@davemck1887]

I think they're over priced mate rather than over rated. There has to be a trade off in price if you're just photocopying, surely?

[@brianmurphy8154]

Exactly! Over priced, not over rated…

[@drdesign6886]

But then Tudor effectively use the photocopier too. And they charge thousands.

[@davemck1887]

@@drdesign6886 point taken Pip. You're right right mate.

[@sir59]

“Inflation” affecting everyone 😂. If they stay under $300 I’m happy

[@LumePip]

Nicely put, Dave. I think there might be cause and effect going on, too, though. They're now quite well-loved and maybe the finishing has stayed the same, or potentially even dropped off (in the case of the handset - I mentioned this to Brian, too) but the prices creeped up. Now we're getting not as high-quality watches but for more dough. I should also say I'm hypothesising and still think these are solid watches haha. I will continue to review them and enjoy them, but just wish they'd at least offer stuff like the on-the-fly clasp across sports models if they are gonna charge more. Wee things like that count for a lot!

[@jazzman5598]

Why in the world would I pay Steinhart money for a 100% Chinese watch??? I own an Ocean 39 Vintage GMT running the 90 series (chronometer base) ETA 2893-2. Very much one of my favorite watches in my modest collection. I’m an old pilot without Medical . Alas, we all age out. So, I have lots of chronographs, every kind of GMT, etc. Autos and Quartz make up my collection. I really love them all :-) Thanks again for a good vid! BTW: I will NEVER buy any chronograph with the Idiot Dial (worthless 24 hour sub dial) These homage nothing. Historically a proper chronograph has at least 2 sub dials: (bi-compax) Running seconds & the other is usually a 30 minute totalizer. On a Speedy of course is the addition of the supremely useful 12 hour totalizer. Same with the Daytona, Fortis Classic Cosmonaut etc. Generally the layout is like any VAL JOUX 7750 with or without Day (I do not think I’ve ever seen a VJ 7750 powered Chrono without the Date at least, at 3:00. What I will never (NEVER) need is some fake sub dial telling me if it’s daytime or nighttime…..do a whole bunch of spelunking I do….& those farm space walks…..these are the only 2 legitimate uses for this joke of a “fashion dial”….reviewer gushes…”Oh, it adds balance!” BS. So, rant over but say Seiko (I have several) and their new SpeedTimer…NOPE! Looks great but a full 1/3 of the entire dial space is wasted. Does no one but Baltany know the huge secret? Think Seiko Quartz: Think VK-67. Perfectly accurate historically. Great functionality (it’s a TOOL WATCH….not Barbie’s birthday gift to Ken. I have found Tri-Compax watches on Ali X for sub $60.00 USD powered by a VK-67 and sporting a 12 hour sub dial. I am curious if anyone knows: Does the VK-67 also run the 24 hour decorative sub dials??? Oh, if you say yes……..😭😭😭, lol 🤪😵‍💫😜 Thanks

[@LooptroopRocker]

Curious to see your review on the Seestern version. To me it seems as it is slightly worse finished than SM and I don’t like the horroble Times new roman “S” on the crown.

[@LumePip]

I've heard good stuff on Reddit!

[@Oak432]

It's not expensive but the real prices for chinese copycat watches with these specs/ components are 30$. Based on prices of counterfeit watches sold in asia's market. The copy of a black bay pro, with exact same specs, materials, can be found at 30$ without san martin logo but with fake Tudor logo instead.

[@mr.eswatchreviews]

I agree Sugess is the better buy

[@LumePip]

I haven't pulled the trigger yet. The one day I decide I might and SM bring out a Pelagos homage with on-the-fly adjustment... D'oh.

[@mr.eswatchreviews]

@@LumePip yeah I recently picked up the SN 0111 with the mill sub hands and on-the-fly adjustment it is actually pretty badass when I did the unboxing I jokingly called it a Ginault homage lol because since it has shortened the big indices ceramic bezel and on-the-fly none of which the original milsub had lol

[@stevelufc64]

Thorn do a version of this watch for under 200 would like a comparison

[@LumePip]

I haven’t tried any Thorn models, I must admit. I have a Seestern/San Martín comparison video coming but it’s on different models 👍🏻

[@3oHe1]

Did you see the quality of the sygess watch it's leaking water why you recommend it so much to people's

[@LumePip]

I point out that I HAVEN'T seen it, but based on other reviews, I'd buy it over this. I would still like to review it myself and obviously I'm not saying they're perfect, but I've had a Seestern (also made by Sugess) and it's great. I haven't heard anything about leaking watches. I've no doubt not all watches will be perfect in terms of QC, but that stands for many brands, Sugess and San Martin included.

[@SerialWheeler]

Have the white printed dial and it's extremely versatile. The applied version has very poor visibility, so black would probably be best version for applied logo/markers. Was actually planning to sell the white version, but after seeing your video, the black charcoal dial seems quite dull. Also, fun fact.. Won't buy Sugess simply because in Romanian that means Suck 😂. Awesome video!

[@LumePip]

Definitely keep the white version! And I absolutely did not know this 😂 maybe Sugess didn't have that market in mind when they came up with that name. Hopefully it means something else in the language in which it was devised!

[@pdmotors5027]

I must admit the one and only SM that I own was indeed a disappointment upon arrival. Looks great, but holding it in your hand brings up the issue of sharpe edges.

[@LumePip]

I've got another one in now and it's absolutely fantastic. The finishing on the head of the watch is just great, as is the bezel action, dial etc etc, but the bracelet still has some really sharp edges. Not sure why that hasn't been addressed yet.

[@richardlocke7264]

A Homage takes inspiration from a design, these are copies ( not homages) of the Tutor. Why would a company make copies? Because they also make outright forgeries in the same factory. The Chinese can make nice watches, they should compete by making their own designs. Don't support them making copies, they are capable of so much more.

[@Make_SPQR_Great_Again]

you need some evidence to back up your theory

[@martinharrison4245]

For £200 or so you cant go wrong with a san martin really. Buy one for everyday and save for a luxury watch , and buy preowned. For 2 to 2.5k you can buy a nice black bay , and the value will pretty much hold up. Dont buy 10 san martins or whatever , because eventually, you will realise you could have got the real deal for the money youve spent on those 10 homages !!! Its not easy parting with nearly 3k on a watch , but after you do it once , it becomes easier, lol. Watch addiction is hard , so i take my hat off to anyone, who just buys a san martin and wears it with pride !!!

[@martinharrison4245]

Just to add , got a white dial gmt today and I think its a fantastic value watch. It wears great on the wrist and it compares to my tudor for fit and finish really well. I actually prefer it to my tudor , its just more wearable !!!

[@jamegumm]

San Martin is to Tudor as Epiphone is to Gibson ;)

[@tendousj]

Nice that you can are more objective when others are promoter of San Martin. How good is seestern and sugess lume compared to San Martin?

[@LumePip]

I thought the Seestern lume was excellent, and the lumed date wheel was a really nice touch. Not as good as typical San Martin (I reviewed their Great Wave dial and the lume was insane!), but still really good!

[@charleshermetix3886]

Just me or does their logo never line up w the tip of the 12 lume pip?? Do apologize to all SM owners cus once u see that kind of thing,u really cant ever stop n itll get on ur nerves but...they do all give me that impression..that a thing?

[@LumePip]

The lume pip on the insert or on the dial? Cos now I want to check!!

[@charleshermetix3886]

@@LumePip on the dial..i always see the logo slightly to the left, basically avoiding the 12 hour bottom tip from lining up w the top tip of the SM logo

[@LumePip]

@@charleshermetix3886 I'll definitely have a close look when I get home!

[@charleshermetix3886]

@@LumePip some guy on aliexpress showcased the misalignments on some SM or anothers comments..its one of the older models (likely the subby or gmt) and he adds pics w grids that show how the indices dont align correctly,though for me id probably not mind that as much as the misalignment i mentioned..that one i cant ever unsee if its there. First SM i order im planning on begging the store tp check that 12 to logo tips. If off, ill go no logo, but its likely something w my eyes honestly..itd be fkin bizarre for them to have such a reputation w function and finishing and just not see that obvious error on most or all models. Just started a new job after many expenses and a dry spell of dough..and plan to continue the aliexpress journey w SM, i really do love many of their models despite having a fuggennnn expensive grail watch wishlist. Peace mane, imma subscribe🤙🤙💃

[@rickhammel9541]

I can afford the Tudor's, but the San Martins are so good that I just use the leftover money to keep buying stocks and mutual funds, much smarter.

[@kevinmccullough2616]

Hi If your selling this I would buy, I'm in Liverpool and could pick up this weekend...cash ...yes cash ...no Uganda prince not wanting your bank details 😂

[@LumePip]

Kevin, drop me an email! Address is on the channel banner photo. 🙃👌

[@paultollervey2635]

@@LumePip Looks like my watch will be moving on again😆

[@kevinmccullough2616]

Email sent

[@kevinmccullough2616]

@@paultollervey2635 you selling any 😁

[@paultollervey2635]

@@kevinmccullough2616 no, but it was me that provided @LumpPip with the watch in this video 😆

[@johnmoran7082]

Entertaining as ever, nice vid, watch is not for me, well done sir 👍

[@kyledriscollmusic]

my biggest problem with San Martin aside from the price creeping up, is the font they use in the hexagon logo, it just looks so childish

[@LumePip]

I think I saw a post on Reddit from them about the logo and maybe switching it up a bit... www.reddit.com/r/ChineseWatches/comments/12yerue/san_martins_new_logo_design_versus_the_old_logo/

[@kyledriscollmusic]

@@LumePip oh that looks a lot better

[@LumePip]

@@kyledriscollmusic A lot of people don't seem to be keen but I like it, personally!

[@kyledriscollmusic]

@@LumePip agreed

[@Kopite68]

I love the corny jokes. Great video.

[@LumePip]

Ah, thanks, mate - that means a lot!

[@renebense]

So where is the comparison review between the Seestern and the San Martin? Seestern/ Sugess is just 30% cheaper than San Martin and better specs.

[@LumePip]

I'd love to do one but I don't have anywhere near enough money to do so! 😅Hopefully if/when the channel gets bigger, the brands might let me have hefty discounts or just lend me some models for review. As it stands, I can't afford to, but I agree - in theory, the Sugess is a much better buy! I saw Escape Wheel's review of that model and thought it looked a better buy overall

[@renebense]

Escape wheel gets his watches for free, but still no comparison side by side. Anyway, I have 8 San Martin watches, and they are great and I have 4 Sugess / Seestern watches that look and feel the same build quality for 30 % less. Prices creep up though, so in a years time San Martin, Proxima, Chronos and Sugess will compete at the top of the Chinese homage watch trade and the Swiss really have to step up, to validate that made in Switzerland is worth 10x as much.

[@Zotrax1946]

In opinion they are. Overrated. If I’ll buy a watch at that price point-more or less- I prefer Steeldive, Heimdalr, Tactical Frog. Even one of the cheaper Islanders.. I don’t know if I have solid logical reasons.. just my taste.

[@LumePip]

I still need to try Steeldive! Ditto Heimdallr. But Tactical Frog doesn't do much for me as a brand, though that FXD homage did pique my interest...

[@Zotrax1946]

@@LumePip I have that FXD. It positively surprised me! Like for real. It is one of my favorites, most comfortable, legible, and it gets comments from others-more than most of my 40 watches 🤷🏼‍♂️

[@aldocaruso9153]

Actually the Sugess costs 60€ more!!!

[@brockadcock2735]

San martin doesn't make cheap watches. If you want cheap watch get a swatch

[@alexsavutube]

Game breaker for me At Suges watches is the obviously Chinese uninspired name. Are they so afraid that if they pay 100$ on fiver to someone to name their brand sugesfull people will avoid their watch?

[@anthonyhauser3063]

Nothing worse than a watch that stops running on your wrist, that’s the problem with these San martins . I wind the watch, move wrist through out the day and wear the watch for a few days and look down and the damn things aren’t running just stopped. I gave up on this brand . My tag watch and gevril watch never stop running on my wrist way better movements in them

[@LumePip]

That's sounds a nightmare, honestly! I think this is really bad luck, because I can honestly say those I've had have been great, most with the bog-standard Seiko movements. I've warmed a lot more to them as I'd just replace the movement outright if I ever had issues with one. But yeah, you'll probably get better QC and regulation etc from those big brands.

[@trusabaka9747]

One suggestion. When comparing homage to the "original", please do us a favor and get the original, at least for review purposes. Otherwise, your comparisons are worthless.

[@tianyiqin926]

Fake watch

[@timeintheuk]

Ding dong ding do sorry that the bells end