DON'T DESTROY YOUR SCOPE

[@edwardabrams4972]

They should put the torque spec. On every scope box and ring bag so people know exactly which is proper torque!

[@wsmc8275]

They want you to break them so you can buy more...

[@45-70Guy]

All the rings I’ve ever bought have all listed specs in the paperwork.

[@wsmc8275]

@45-70Guy Not talking about the rings, but the scopes. And then, some scopes say follow the rings specs 🥴

[@45-70Guy]

@@wsmc8275any of the scopes I own have lifetime warranties so I guess i don’t have that problem. Though I’ve never had to warranty my scopes I’m going to guess that if I had factory information with specs though and that’s what was followed and a scope was damaged, then you should be able to get a replacement. I’ve always used 18 in pounds regardless on rings. ( leupold recommended spec on my rings at least) On large magnums I’ve never had an issue to date.

[@timhalloran7910]

My favorite KZbin channel. Period.

[@NCWoodlandRoamer]

Hands down the best, no contest.

[@JamesM-l5g]

Wow, this is very eye opening! I had no Idea! Now I need to check my tubes. Thanks!

[@williamgoldston5803]

Scope manufacturers, please clearly mark and publish torque specifications I quit using tread lock and use alcohol and try to get all the oil off. I have found it can be tricky to mount the modern hunting scopes. I am a novice who has made mistakes mounting scopes but I have also had “gunsmiths” that have mounted scopes for me and brought them back to me in a matter of minutes making me wonder about the quality of the job. Thanks for the info. I am learning from your advice.

[@DrBreezeAir]

This is perfect timing. I'm pretty sure I've bought a used Swarovski with a wondering zero. Hence, I'm in the market for a new scope.

[@diggernash1]

This video is needed by many. Buy good rings and follow the scope manufacturer's recommendations. I prefer to use Leupold rings and Leupold scopes for my hunting rifles. On the other hand, my paper punchers have a variety of glass on them.

[@davideden9212]

Excellent video. I was momentarily scared about what I might've done to a new Leopold but then remembered that I used 18 in-lb, which I only knew from the Vortex podcast before. Your video explains why.

[@mackellyman5642]

Anybody who has ever run CNC parts knows the consequences of under-torque/over-torque when clamping material for machining. Great content, as usual.

[@buddy22801012]

Excellent information. I’ve always tightened my ring screws by feel. A few years ago I purchased a torque driver and started tightening screws as per to specs for the rings but didn’t really take into account the specs for the scope which is the more expensive item. I I didn’t realize loctite or oil increase torque by such a large margin. Thanks for the advice.

[@djhappybird1314]

This is actually a very good video. Nice work

[@chipsterb4946]

Thank you for the thread locker and oil warnings.

[@stevemiller6044]

Very good info as always DD, thank you. I did not know that all values are DRY. Cleaning the manufacturing oil off rings is a good point.

[@ronaldroehrick4872]

Thank you, I am sure you saved some poor souls lots of money.

[@darrenlowry7477]

I'm looking to buy my 1st rifle and this was great info. Thank you.

[@ThatAngryJho-td3xe]

Your comment on scope durability along with getting the initial mounting of rings to the base having them set forward is totally spot on. Between those two things I have seen more scope malfunctions/ failures due to stuff moving or getting straight up broke in the last 5 years than I have seen with optics in the rest of my life. A decent scope some people might want to check out if durability is a concern but they still want a more simple scope is the trijicon ascent 3-12x40

[@cornbreadburgess1950]

Thanks for sharing this and I have not killed a scope yet but it is great advice for all to chew on.again you lead everyone in a common sense direction,thanks and happy hunting 😁

[@jake9705]

Takes a lot of guts to publicly admit your mistakes. Way to be, DD 👍

[@desertdogoutdoors1113]

When a scope says "it can handle 28 in/lbs", and the rings say "torque to 25 in/lbs"; It's easy to assume you are safe.

[@jake9705]

​@@desertdogoutdoors1113 -- I would have done the same

[@Elkslaya1]

Wow that’s some great info! Especially for those of us who aren’t made of money! I have a VXlll on my 7 mag. I just torqued mine by feel because I didn’t know any better! Now I’m gonna worry about it……..

[@coreychilders4970]

Thank you for taking the time to make a great video on this issue!!

[@forward1165]

I have not yet run into problems by over torquing a scope yet but I do not have any real high end scopes. I am a big Leupold fan and run mostly VX3 models and some VX Freedoms on my truck guns. My biggest complaint with them is the companies lack of models. I’m not happy that you can no longer get any reticle on whatever scope you want and I really hate that they no longer install caps on all turrets. Some turrets don’t even have locking features. A very bad combination for a truck gun

[@UncleSam-bu9gz]

Thanks I have a scope on the way and this is great information.

[@efrencarrasquillo1077]

Hot diggity dawg, what a great video. Short and to the point. Thanks

[@paulsimmons5726]

I’m lucky, my Kahles scopes are all older and very durable. Great video, thanks for sharing your experience and thoughts!

[@edwardabrams4972]

I have a bunch of vx5 and VX6’s but they won’t take over torque. Leupold will cover that VX6 scope but you might have to pay shipping!

[@ClintonFD]

It's pretty easy to check your calibration on a wheeler fat wrench if you have a 1/4" Allen L-key and a known weight you can hang on it. You put the L-key in the wrench and hang the weight at a point along the L-key that corresponds to the torque value you want and adjust the torque setting until it just barely clicks over. 3 pounds on the end of a 5 inch L-key is 15 inch pounds. Just be careful because the weight can and will slide off the L-key when the torque wrench clicks over. I have a specific L-key with markings at different points along its length that correspond to different torque values with a weight that I made specifically for this purpose.

[@marcuspiera]

Good video. Thanks. Very interesting and informative! I almost bought one of those Warne torque wrenches.

[@davewinter2688]

I think I’ll just keep using my old “heavy” scopes. Maybe not the highest optical quality with no magic dials but reliable even though I don’t own an inch pound torque wrench. I sight in for maximum effective point blank range and try to keep my shots within that range for whatever cartridge I’m using. No stopping to check notes and turn dials while the target disappears into the underbrush or across a hill. I may have to hold a little above center sometimes but if it’s far enough that I would have to hold over the back of a deer or whatever I’m shooting at, it’s farther than I am willing to shoot, especially with my old eyes. Happy hunting boys and girls!😊

[@desertdogoutdoors1113]

Stay tuned for the next video, where I'll recommend some more durable modern scope options.

[@jamesmooney5348]

​@@desertdogoutdoors1113Right on Dble D (D D) (Dee Dee mowe)

[@sgharpsr]

Very good information. Thanks! I've always just gone with the torque specs from the rings. I guess I've been lucky. I didn't even know the scope manufacturers put out specs.

[@jimmybaits6744]

Thank you DD. Just watched this video before I mount my new scope on my new rifle.

[@liddell157]

Thank you !! Love optics, I’m excited

[@bcjdwbiernfjherwfbowfib]

I USE ROCKSETT AND AN IMPACT ON MY RINGS CENTERPOINT NEVER LOST ZERO ONLY MISSED 38 DEER THIS SEASON BUT STILL GOT A DOE

[@tripplebeards3427]

Gotta remember to think outside the box. I had a Ruger American 450BM that the scope kept coming loose on and wrecking optics. The factory Ruger supplied base was not machined correctly. It only contacted the action on the outer edges. I acraglass bedded it, used my Warne wrench to torque it down. I also used 3m adhesive spray inside my rings after the fix along with blue loc tite. Fixed the issue.

[@45-70Guy]

On all my leupolds I’ve done 18 in pounds. Never had a problem. The rings will say in the packaging what the spec is which is what I go by. Especially on my ultralight scopes. Great video, very much needed information.

[@desertdogoutdoors1113]

It's usually safer to use the scope manufacturer's specs. Many rings out there say "25 in/lbs", but you'll destroy many lightweight scopes with that.

[@45-70Guy]

@@desertdogoutdoors1113for sure, ive had some factory specked for 20-25 in pounds, but like you said some manufacturers have listed much higher which almost feels scary to even tighten them that much.

[@Ironhide18Z]

Desert Dog, excellent video. Like you, I've been using the ring manufacturer's recommendations, especially the Warne's, for torquing the rings. I'm reluctant now to remount all my scopes to the lower torque setting now that I have them all sighted in. Thanks again for passing along your knowledge.

[@mark______5101]

Down here in Oz we tend to go with the cheaper end of the market and put it to hard use e.g. Howa 1500s and VX3s and they work very well. An important area you missed is the trend in rifle versus scope weight - We used to shoot heavier sporter rifles and (relatively) light 1" tube 40mm glass scopes because that was what was available but now the trend is to lighter mountain rifles with carbon stocks and heavier 30mm tube and 50mm glass high power illuminated scopes. This has a big impact on the rings as now have to do a lot more work than in the old days. The modern light rifles are recoiling harder against a heavier inertial load. Now lets add in heavier projectiles, fast twist barrels with hot loads to keep velocity up and then recoil sleds or bipods to make bench shooting / zeroing more comfortable and things are going to happen. Also my experience has always been to torque by feel just snug and then tight about one sixth turn. I have a torque wrench but dont bother using it as it lacks feel. Note I have never had a scope slip or a scope marked but I have had one or two come slightly loose over time which needs checking. Not bragging just saying. Enjoy your channel very much.

[@brianfrando9731]

Sounded like a whole lot of bragging loo

[@brianmelton5723]

I exclusively use tally one piece rings and Swarovski scopes. Torque at 14 inch pounds. Always have my torque wrench at room temperature also.

[@douglashill4007]

This was time well spent. Thank you

[@REDNECKROOTS]

I wont be running cheap burris or bushnell scopes anymore. I used to be an advocate for cheap scopes. But i recently bought a leupold vx3 hd and omfg! This leupold is in a whole diff class. Wow

[@bobd8553]

This video is gold!!

[@paul-tf4xo]

thx for all the work you put in! lots of great info here.

[@zacktaylor3441]

Great video DD. Further proof our great prophet Jack Oconnor was right ! All you need is a steel tube 4x scope. Im gonna go bid up a couple ebay Leupold Mountaineers and Weaver K4s now !

[@heerkrupp64]

Another way around this problem, for some rifles is to use Conetrol mounts and rings, the screws are not in the ring like most mount and ring setup's, unfortunately it doesn't suit everyone or everything to mount them onto some rifles, If I can fit them to one of my rifles, I try to get them, first if I can.

[@wildweasel6898]

I didn't know that thread locker increased the torque on the screws. I will definitely be changing my process on my good rings. However I use 7 dollar ali express rings on my airguns paired with a 70 dollar scope. I can tell you that budget rings absolutely need thread locker. I will tighten them a few in lbs less than normal tho. Love your work buddy ty

[@robertmajors1737]

I've been using Warne rings and bases with my Leupold Vx-3 30mm tubes for years without any issue. I have one of their torque wrenches like the one from the video, and it's always been reliable for me. I have used them on a lot of 1" tubes as well, with no I'll effects. Everything from 300 win mag to 22lr has been great. I only have one rifle now that doesn't have Warne rings.

[@desertdogoutdoors1113]

Yet, this video shows you a Leupold scope ruined by Warne rings torqued with the Warne tool.

[@danielbridgewater3444]

Lots of valuable info. Thanks.

[@bearbait2221]

Thanks for the tips.

[@gabell727]

Magnum calibers require more ring torque. I like Nightforce scopes and $250 vortex rings, or better, and of course piccatinny rails.

[@bentaylor216]

As usual great advice DD

[@deifiedStag]

great video! after a week of hunting in the mountains, my scope is off zero hard core.

[@desertdogoutdoors1113]

This is more common than people realize.

[@TrevorHoeltzel-pf8nd]

Great advice!! Thank you!!

[@gunlover1955]

Lucky that most Scopes nowadays have lifetime send it back for a repair or replacement, but this is good info and remember make sure the rings are alined correctly or the same issue can happen.

[@desertdogoutdoors1113]

Most scopes DON'T have lifetime warranties any more. Luckily, Leupold does.

[@borkwoof696]

Which ones outside of Leupold and Vortex do? Most European manufacturers don’t.

[@thelittledetailscr7231]

I use factory specs and never had an issue on 7 scopes, but the rings and manufacturer were the same brand.

[@faksen13]

My Tengtool torque wrench also states 23 Celsius temperatures when in use.

[@erich44magnum]

I approve this message…

[@curtisp5696]

Hi thanks again for the great video! I have to wonder if I have wrecked a scope or two. You mentioned about wondering zeros, is there any good way to definitely know for sure your scope is moving?

[@desertdogoutdoors1113]

Watch the video I posted titled 'Troubleshooting scope issues".

[@briankopp1369]

Thank you, keep it up.

[@Queensryche1]

I watched your video the other day about $1000 scopes. You seemed to like the Trijicon. How that feel about the accupoint scopes as far as glass quality and ruggedness, if you have experience.

[@desertdogoutdoors1113]

I like the glass and function. I don't like the Tritium/fiber optic illumination. I much prefer battery-powered illumination.

[@markn.1473]

Outstanding video

[@silaspierre1377]

question for you , you mentioned the newer leupolds , ziess , swarovski have thinner scope walls , making them easier to bend / break , is it all models of Trijicon and Nightforce that have thicker walls that would make them good hunting scopes or only their high end ones ? like if someone wanted a rugged scope on a deer rifle for beginner hunters that would stand up to accidents ? or someone taking a tumble down the hill an banging up the scope ?

[@desertdogoutdoors1113]

The Nightforce SHV featured in this video IS their budget model, and it's really tough. Trijicon makes the budget priced "Huron Series" scopes (made in Japan), but I never purchased one because the glass is a significant downgrade over scopes in the $1000 price range. I can't give you any first-hand info on the Huron Scopes other than the glass. Stay away from the huge volume of scopes that come out of the same factory in the Philippines; those tend to have durability issues. The toughest budget scopes on the market are the SWFA scopes.

[@silaspierre1377]

@@desertdogoutdoors1113 thanks for the info , i like the look of nightforce SHV 3-10x42 , it has capped elevation and capped windage , perfect for hunting under 300 yards , ill look to see if there is sfwa scopes in canada

[@silaspierre1377]

@@desertdogoutdoors1113 which model trijicon do you have in the video? or which model lines of trijicon have you tested ?

[@desertdogoutdoors1113]

@@silaspierre1377 Trijicon Credo HX 2.5-15x42.

[@silaspierre1377]

@@desertdogoutdoors1113 thank yoy

[@MimeswithRhymes]

I’ll never demand a lighter scope, but I will demand smaller scopes.

[@cjr4497]

Durable and accurate trumps light any day.

[@desertdogoutdoors1113]

I agree.

[@NelsonAdvisors]

Who are a couple of the scope manufacturers that you think make the toughest “bombproof” scopes?

[@desertdogoutdoors1113]

Nightforce and Trijicon make factory drop-tested scopes with thicker tubes and epoxy-bedded lenses. It's no wonder that these scopes hold up to independent testing as well. Wait till this week's video, where I'll do scope comparisons.

[@NelsonAdvisors]

@@desertdogoutdoors1113 Thank you. Just curious. How do you feel about the Bushnell Elite 4500 2.5-10x40 or the Meopta Optika5 2-10x42? I hunt multiple states in the Southeast and Northeast and most shots are under 100 yards, but we don’t just sit up in stands, we do a lot of still hunting, tracking and deer drives so we aren’t easy on our equipment at times. I currently have a Bushnell Prime, Zeiss Conquest or Nikon Monarch scope at my disposal. All have worked great in the past but I have a CZ 600 Alpha in 308 on backorder, so I’m thinking of getting something new for it. Thank you

[@Bill-el3gk]

Will Leupold repair or replace a damaged scope from over torquing the rings? Shoot I just bought a VX6 2-12 to replace my old vx2 for my elk/plains game rifle, I did not realize it was so delicate. I wish they made one without the windage turret at least, as I don’t see me ever using it for hunting. Very helpful video!

[@HerrGesetz]

Thanks for the great info. I am in the durability over light weight camp. A bit of time at the gym helps alleviate the tendency to obsess over light weight gear :)

[@desertdogoutdoors1113]

With all the lightweight rifles on the market, going with a heavier more durable scope is a good option today. My next video discusses this.

[@michaelhennegan9637]

Good one.

[@jam5287]

I’ve always been too afraid of ruining the scopes I buy. I think highest I’ve gone is about 19 or 20 inch pounds.

[@PNWredneck]

Looking forward to your next video. Hopefully I haven’t ruined my scope- Leupold vx5hd mounted in Warne vertically split rings to 25 in/lbs. Been that way for 3 years and I haven’t noticed any issues so far.

[@desertdogoutdoors1113]

Shoot a controlled 10-round group with barrel cooling between shots. Then remove the scope, install and zero a known-accurate 2nd scope, and shoot the exact same ammo for another controlled 10-round group. Study the shot dispersion of both groups. This can be enlightening.

[@curtisp5696]

​@@desertdogoutdoors1113Hi thanks for the great video. I s this how you figure out if the scope has a wondering zero?

[@curtisp5696]

Also does the exterior tube show any signs of damage on your scope?

[@BCBtrucks64]

Great vid DD

[@mr.mr.3301]

I have struggled with this. I like the dnz one pics and they have a spec to 35in lbs. Freaks most of us out

[@jamesmooney5348]

Are you able to get that Leupold repaired or replaced?

[@desertdogoutdoors1113]

I have 2 to send back right now. Leupold always honors their warranty in my experience.

[@jamesmooney5348]

@@desertdogoutdoors1113 Very cool! This video help me understand or learn some things I didn't know. Thanks I just sent a vari x 3 back that I bought in 1998 for fogging, as well as a 11-33x50 vortex razor spotter back to vortex. Very disapointed with vortex. When the vortex comes back, it going to get sold! The Leupold will definitely get remounted. Properly remounted, now, of course!!! (Hahahaha)

[@TTT-du6oj]

Great talk Desert Dog,I have seen a lot of ring marks and worse.Conflicting torque specs between scope and ring manufacturers doesn’t help.It really hurts my feelings to make or see ring marks on expensive scopes,or any scope for that matter.Making sure the scope slides and turns freely in the rings is a must.Do you have any experience using the Burris signature rings with the plastic inserts?

[@roddecker1900]

Ive used tallys whith a 5hd. Very purpose rig.lupo has one piece rings too .dont know if lapping these is necessary. Bet not

[@desertdogoutdoors1113]

I've had to lap many sets of Talleys. The Talley rings you saw in this video had to be lapped.

[@josephmarciano4761]

Finding Top Ring Torque specs for my Vortex Crossfire II, 3-9 x 50 is proving difficult. I'm using Ruger 90406 5B/6B Rings. Can anyone help?

[@desertdogoutdoors1113]

Result of a 3-second Google search: vortexoptics.com/blog/how-to-torque-your-riflescope-rings.html

[@josephmarciano4761]

@@desertdogoutdoors1113 Many thanks! Feel like a fool. Was all over their site and didn't see it.

[@NCWoodlandRoamer]

Great video DD. I’m looking at getting a VX5HD 2-10x42, they actually still make one of those without the CDS on it which is good because I have no use for it and don’t want it on there. But then I got to thinking about getting one with the firedot reticle but that one has the CDS system so I’m torn between the two. Do you think having the firedot is worth having the CDS on there also?

[@desertdogoutdoors1113]

Wait till my video next week.

[@NCWoodlandRoamer]

@@desertdogoutdoors1113 Will do.

[@iancurrie8844]

I torque mine to 17” lb without issue. That said, both Leupold and talley rings come with a dry loc-tite on the threads of the screws. Shrug. All Leupold scopes.

[@desertdogoutdoors1113]

It is actually not dry Loctite use on Leupold screws. It is what is knows as "Nylok Patch screws". The Nylok patch actually causes more friction (rather than a lubricant) and the torque specs for the screws reflect that.

[@iancurrie8844]

@@desertdogoutdoors1113 Oh! Well, I've been using 17in lbs with success!

[@snapcrack55]

What about Burris scopes and Burris Signature Zee Rings?

[@NuManXplore]

Great video, really enjoying your content. I bought a used Vortex scope that the seller claimed only had a "scratched" tubes due to overtightened rings. As I feel it and look more closely, the tube is definitely deformed in one spot. I have shot multiple animals with it on my rifle, all at 200yds or less, and blamed the non-moa accuracy on my own shooting....I wonder if it is the scopes fault after all. :-) Also I have noticed the side focus seems to do absolutely nothing, but I am used to slightly blurry targets as I sometimes have to remove my glasses to get the right eye relief while in the field.

[@desertdogoutdoors1113]

Watch my video on troubleshooting scope issues: kzbin.info/www/bejne/ZnLLdahrYph6aqM

[@tomhumphreys6517]

Thanks dog!

[@bigdogdjango]

Looking at the grip on those torque wrenches no wonder people ruin there scopes using it. Never had a problem just using the supplied Allen Key and doing it by feel. None have come loose and no broken scopes. IMO just another way to overcomplicate and upsell.

[@desertdogoutdoors1113]

Why would the grips have anything to do with the accuracy of the torque wrench????? This makes no sense.

[@markfreshwaters]

On my new Leupold vx6 scope and using what I call old style Warne Maxima rings the ones with two screws on the top and two screws on the bottom, what would be the torque setting to use.

[@desertdogoutdoors1113]

Don't go over 18 in/lbs. Make sure the screws and holes are clean and degreased before torquing.

[@chub4141]

That was a.good video I've always held a self rule to keep rings at least 1in from the bell and power ring and turrets .I didn't know if it was really needed but you just answered that question

[@PhilipP.308]

Brilliant advice as usual!

[@whiskeykilmer1866]

Is Leupold going to repair/replace that scope you accidentally damaged, per their warranty?

[@desertdogoutdoors1113]

I'm sure they will. I have 2 scopes to send back right now. I've had great customer service from them in that past.

[@whiskeykilmer1866]

@@desertdogoutdoors1113 Thanks for the reply and the video.

[@richardkramer1094]

How long did we operate with Buhler/Redfield/Leupold 2 screw scope rings and they never caused a single problem? I’ve probably installed thousands of Buhler/Redfield/Leupold mounts and rings on half as many rifles…cause each rifle requires 2 rings. Ive installed so many I don’t need a torque wrench because I have a well calibrated elbow and wrist and j in never over tighten those screws, never had a scope come loose even in some of the heaviest recoiling rifles. Never crushed or ruined a scope either. It has been my experience that a scope will not come loose but you reticle will on the cheaper scopes…and some of the expensive ones. I have and still use a number of old Weaver steel tube scopes and j only have 1 target rifle with an objective lens larger than 44mm. You just don’t need an objective lens larger than 44mm for hunting. There is absolutely no advantage to larger diameter objective lenses. Nuff said!

[@desertdogoutdoors1113]

It's not necessarily the recoil that requires more clamping force on a scope; it's the weight of the scope itself (the inertia of the scope is what causes slippage in rings). As the mass of an object increases, so does its inertia. Most of those old featureless scopes were half the weight of modern scopes with 42-50mm objectives, multiple lens packs, parallax adjustment, and reticle illumination. When scopes started to get over 20oz, more clamping force was required and wider 4-screw rings were needed. The problem is that hunters started demanding lightweight scopes with all of these features, and manufacturers sacrificed durability to satisfy market demand.

[@richardkramer1094]

@@desertdogoutdoors1113 True, all of it. The problem is people think they need bigger scopes and so the manufacturers make them. Truth be told, the only reason for a powerful scope with an objective lens larger than 44mm is for shooting paper targets. The erector is what dictates the size of the exit pupil, not the size of the tube or the size of the objective lens. A larger objective lens may collect more light but it does not transfer through because of the erector…no matter the size of the tube. That is a myth that has been repeated over and over, kinda like the 6.5 Creedmoor is the magic long range cartridge or any of the PRC cartridges are the swinging dick of cartridges.

[@richardkramer1094]

@@desertdogoutdoors1113 As an aside, I also use Sightron, SwampFox, and Leupold optics and all have quality glass for hunting applications.

[@brandonhovda4290]

Do you choose any specific rings as you go up in recoil? For example, your 416 rem mag.

[@desertdogoutdoors1113]

Warn, Talley, Badger, and Seekins are my go-to rings.

[@jaybailleaux630]

The problem is that the younger generation like high magnification scopes and light weight. Young folks are wimpy and lazier than previous generations. I understand that . Im not as tough as the WW2 generation. I like ease and convenience. Rule of thumb for me is 3x magnification for every 100 yards for medium game hunting. The common 3x9 variable scope is good for 300 yards for deer size game and further for elk size game. About 16x is about the most one can use under average field conditions. I love the old steel tube Weaver scopes, but optics were poor by todays standards. Take note that the legendary huters of the past used low powered fix power scopes like 2x to 4x.

[@thickteo1]

Awsome

[@mr.mr.3301]

Just bought a vx5 and backcountry rings. Leopold still says 28inlbs.

[@desertdogoutdoors1113]

They are doing their product a huge disservice by recommending that.

[@mr.mr.3301]

@ yeah. I went with 18inlbs

[@REDNECKROOTS]

I just bought my first leupold scope. Vx 3. What should I mount that at?? Is this to be 18inch lbs also?

[@desertdogoutdoors1113]

18 in/lbs max.

[@REDNECKROOTS]

​@desertdogoutdoors1113 thanks dd. It's holding fine at 18ip. Ty

[@rabbitstabber8598]

What torque wrench are you using I have the wheeler fat wrench

[@critter777]

Just torqued a brand new VX5HD to 28 in lbs because that's what Google told me. Now I'm scared.

[@carolynndimmer7044]

😬

[@JamesM-l5g]

Can’t use the Leopold warranty to get a replacement?

[@desertdogoutdoors1113]

yes

[@williamfeldner9356]

I have started to place a very light coating of rosin to the inside of the ring, is this a problem?

[@desertdogoutdoors1113]

I would clean/degrease and leave it.

[@Paul-q3m7k]

I’ve mounted well over 50 scopes using 18 inch pounds . Never had an issue . No need to go over that

[@desertdogoutdoors1113]

You will need more than that on heavy tactical/target scopes. The more a scope weights, the more grip the system needs on a scope. You need clamping force to overcome the additional inertia. Most modern tactical scopes have tube walls that are almost twice as thick to handle this.

[@urokim]

What parameters / weights do you consider as modern tactical ? What do you classify a EO Tech 8-32x50 ? If ring specs can't be used and scope specs are suspect ? Aren't we back to "feel" ? @@desertdogoutdoors1113

[@desertdogoutdoors1113]

@@urokim I never said all scope manufacturer torque specs can't be trusted, only that Leupold's 28 in/lb spec can't be trusted (in the video I clearly recommended 18 in/lbs max on a Leupold VX-series scope). All other scope manufactures give realistic torque specs. Stay tuned for the next video, where I'll provide more durable hunting scope options.

[@Daywalkerbmz1188]

NEVER torque more than 20inlbs for any scope. Less if you have 4 or 6 screw scope rings. Never ruined a single scope this way. 15inlbs for 22.lr or varmint cartriges. Personally would stay away from leupold and swaro scopes as well.

[@davidderheimer279]

I use fix- it sticks am I wrong. They are small and portable with so many tips. Is the calibration on the torque settings adequate?

[@desertdogoutdoors1113]

I don't know? The Fat Wrench is half the cost of a full set of Fix It Sticks, slightly more accurate, and can be used at any "in between" torque setting.

[@altruisticscoundrel]

Thin metal scope tube? I need robut fixed power scope for field work, not some bench rest Betty who needs to stay stylish.

[@desertdogoutdoors1113]

As you'll find out in my next video, those benchrest scopes are twice as durable as any hunting scope.

[@surveillancedevicemedia]

👍

[@linkbond08]

15 to 18 inch pounds of ring torque should be able to hold a 1 pound scope handsomely to the most fierce recoil. Specially while using a quality mount.

[@desertdogoutdoors1113]

Most hunters these days use scopes WELL OVER a pound.

[@linkbond08]

@@desertdogoutdoors1113 well every vortex scope I've bought has got a label attached to the main tube with the torque spec for that scope, most say 15 to 18in-lbs including the Strike Eagle 5-25X56 and that's an almost 2lb scope. I hope other companies adopt the mentality of telling you right from the jump how not to brake your new toy, Some people just use a screw driver and gusto to install optics, if they got a label they'd probably entertain the idea of getting a torque wrench or driver.

[@desertdogoutdoors1113]

​@@linkbond08Vortex is known for using very thin tubes, even in the Razor series. Nightforce will easily handle 25-30. Vortex makes the most overpriced product in the industry.

[@linkbond08]

@@desertdogoutdoors1113 my next scope is gonna be a 1-10 in 1" tube ideally with a BDC reticle for AR hunting and Varminting. what brand would you recommend?

[@JD-kz1wg]

We have become a nation of wimps with all this push for light weight. I will prefer durability any day.