Don't ever buy this for your car.... | RPM S8 E59

On Today's Episode of the RPM Web Series, we have a few cars in for a dyno tune. We have some issues with a 6th gen Camaro and explain what the problem was. We also dyno tune a Chevy SS and show the differences between dyno pulls with the hood up and down.
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[@michigansoundwizard]

Their extra mile attitude is why I love the work from RaceProvenMotorsports. Amazing.

[@Sauerbrew777]

Thank you guys so much for continuing to put out content! My city just put out a shelter in place order and I'm so bored I'm about to lose my mind!

[@danpaegel7339]

You guys do great work love seeing the effort you put into your work.

[@jeffclayton9968]

You guys are killing it. Keep it up!

[@dcdave357]

Can't wait to see the dyno pulls on that Caprice!

[@tracewallace23]

Hey Matt, You, da MAN 👍 😎 Professionalism at its best is a good way to describe the personnel in this shop

[@TheSupermonkeymaster]

Well it looks like the Camaro was all Smokey and no Bandit.

[@choward874]

I'm going to be in the market for a ZO6 in a couple of years. I've been watching these guys for 2 years they really know their shit I would never send my car anywhere else.

[@jamesaustin4044]

Matt, going the extra mile for the customers. Angry Eric probably does that too, but he doesn't want to ruin his rep.

[@budd2018]

That Ebay gas pedal mod and an edelbrock supercharger are the way to go. RPM's favorite set up to tune.

[@jaydev4582]

🤘🏾💯. RPM has great content.

[@michaeln.7083]

Hell yeah the ARP grease is super messy... that cop car is a badass machine, keep up the great work!! Those controllers are junk!! PCM killer

[@darrellblunt]

Had the same throttle controller on my 5th gen SS. It was a bitch to tune and threw a TPS code a few times. Took me a few days to figure out the problem. Now instead of spending money to make my car “feel” fast, I spend money to actually be fast.

[@markwh668]

You guys have nothing cooler in the shop then the Caprice PPV. So cool...

[@alonsoarellanocarryoptics]

Fran anyway you can tell me how to do a ECU reset on my 17 ss? I disconnect the battery over night and take it for a drive in the morning but the car still feels laggy like no low end torque and the exhaust doesn't sound crisp so I know it's not fully reset.. maybe I need to do a throttle reset?

[@SubiSkank]

I usually don’t get your guy’s movie tags right..... not a movie buff. But damn, I was quick with the Joe Dirt 😂

[@ElectricBlueIX]

I had stainless TSP headers on my 5th gen 1LE and never noticed any extra heat in the bay when I would pop the hood. Only reason you might need manifold wrap is for turbo setups...big turbo.

[@YOSHI450R]

I've used header wrap a few times on titanium exhaust, if you're going to use it get the titanium wrap one heat cycle was all it took to stop the smoke, my KFX had it because it'd literally cook your leg in seconds even if you put your foot on the outside of the Nerf bars. I didn't want to run it after a month of burning my leg. Anyone who rode it has a matching burn on their calf. I know it helped keep the engine temp cooler but on a quad the exhaust wraps around the engine unlike a car

[@null2268]

Buddy bought a Vitesse controller for his Z06 and I just facepalmed when I heard him saying how much faster the car is.

[@RadDadisRad]

I have a pedal commander but it’s not for making it fast.

[@jonhitch6786]

People that say it make their car faster are ignorant. I have one, no HP increase but the drivability on the throttle is more linear at certain settings. Anyone who thinks it is going to make their car faster is fooling themselves. 100% throttle is the max either way.

[@davida8407]

@@jonhitch6786 why are people getting these over a tune?

[@jonhitch6786]

David A the warranty... it is a simple bolt on that doesn’t void the warranty. Once out of warranty most choose there own way of actually making the car faster.

[@davida8407]

@@jonhitch6786 Ah, makes sense. I've never owned a car still in factory warranty so I forget that's a concern sometimes.

[@mglaz100]

Great channel. Do you have any experience (is it the same B.S.) with the Diablo "Tuner"?

[@johnstarkey5366]

Happy Birthday Zeus!!! 🦴

[@InsideOfMyOwnMind]

Not referring to this shop specifically but in general how much does it cost to have a car dyno tuned? And what affects the price the most? The vehicle? How modded it already is? Location? Reputation of the tuner?

[@richgendron9999]

Great show guys😎👍

[@matthewbrown1760]

Nice work guys

[@davidconley3610]

Nice Job Matt!!!!

[@ChurchAutoTest]

+1 on issues with throttle controllers. Have had problems on late model M5s, ATS-Vs and many other cars. Maybe it doesn't cause problems for some cars, but why risk it.....

[@mikecrevier4686]

78 degrees says it all about the previous work done. Save your pennies and have it done properly. RPM can help with your issues.

[@ColoradoCarGuy]

Needs one of those electric turbos to go with all his other rice upgrades.

[@jus1975]

I always thought the debate with the roto Fab on the ss was with the lid on or off over the filter

[@rotor13]

I’ve never understood the argument of closed vs open hood on a dyno. Whatever ‘passive’ cooling effect people believe they’re going to get with the hood open, and then say ‘you don’t drive your with the hood open’ is stupid. This isn’t a PC like people used to do back in the day when overclocking required removing the cover of you case and putting a box fan right on it. Engines get stupid hot, and repeated dyno runs is just going to heat soak everything regardless if the hood is open or closed. Even when you’re testing something as simple as an intake mod. Just as this video perfectly shows. This is why time between runs to cool down the car is required on the dyno. Especially when you’re waiting however long it takes to flash the ECM/ECU I’m no tuner and have no experience at all with tuning and even I know that.

[@rotor13]

@@AV-cc5wl "a PC is completely different than an engine lol" I know that, it was an example of the kind of people who perpetrate myths when they have the equipment available to confirm a theory.

[@badassjeep1]

Any tests with a pedal commander?

[@seanreaves33]

Yes i have the 2.9 whipple as well, bigger cam 1100 cc injectors headers and full exhaust with ice box in trunk..

[@dannewton5363]

My old man calls it never- seize too lol, have a good one guys👍

[@Sandkei]

I am an old man & I have always called never-seize even when I was a young man :)

[@diverbob8]

FYI....Actually Never-Seez....

[@johnl8027]

Good job Matt

[@blue03r6]

I've seen shit like this on motorcycles too. Someone took one apart and it was just a few resistors they paid $150 for lol

[@fudgeman333]

Was about to watch paint dry so bored.. THANK YOU

[@TheSupermonkeymaster]

I want that whipple whine thoo

[@danielkinsler46]

Hahahaha I remember seeing these advertised when they first came out and said the same thing! Its just adjusting the throttle position and making you think its an improvement. Like keeping your foot in the throttle at all times!

[@snoopergnar3719]

Steve with the Ben Stein reference lol

[@cpolt1192]

Hahaha too funny.....My Grandpa always saud "Never Seize" as well.

[@RobertKohut]

Nice!!

[@vongdong10]

To anyone that's done work on a boosted LS, I've got an LS1 with a turbo kit and suitable cam pushing out 550whp. I want more power but not looking into doing forged pistons/rods or stroker. I've been thinking ported heads but not sure I want to spend so much for little gains as I only know the gains on an NA setup which is like 30-40whp. Heads worth doing on a boosted setup? Thought about aftermarket intake manifolds too.

[@doctorgap]

Just throw some gear in it if you dont wanna do the proper engine work, it'll help with the get up and go

[@mr88lx]

I believe the argument with the hood closed and hood open argument on the the dyno was more geared towards open element filters. Not boxed in ones like you guys tested.

[@RaceProvenMotorsports]

Does not make a difference

[@dominickirkwood]

I love it my guys rpm keep up the work and love video and I love ss lot more 💯💯💯💯

[@EllosaurusRex]

What wheels are on that Camaro??

[@2fast2nick]

Love this! I tried to tell people that about the throttle controllers and they didn't believe me.. you can't make the signal go faster! you are just making it give more throttle.. dumb

[@bobgreen9768]

What about the Pedal Commander? Have you any experience with it?

[@RaceProvenMotorsports]

They are all the same junk

[@MaxTune]

The Cameraman gets a lot of sarcasm from his constituents. lol

[@coltonwatson4907]

The Chevy caprice is an amazing sleeper besides the CHOP CHOP CHOP

[@leemast967]

What are the wheels on that camaro

[@Ricardooo513]

Anyone know what wheels these are?

[@breoll86]

Love the content! Not trying to add another step to filming the dyno process, but I feel like if you could show the DA for your runs it might shut up some of the haters. Maybe that's overkill. Just a thought. Keep up the good work.

[@RaceProvenMotorsports]

That's what the correction factor is for, if we were using (Uncorrected) then maybe I could see doing it. But that's completely unnecessary for a dyno using a correction. At the track we always show it though.

[@breoll86]

@@RaceProvenMotorsports Thanks for explaining your reasoning. That makes sense. And thanks for showing people what a good shop looks like.

[@jus1975]

I know you guys don't like those add-a fuse taps but what do you recommend

[@RaceProvenMotorsports]

Wiring it in the correct way. Fuse taps are NOT the correct way

[@jus1975]

@@RaceProvenMotorsports and what is considered the correct way

[@TurboTPI]

@ja st Splice, solder, heat shrink tubing over it.

[@RadDadisRad]

Sounds like the throttle controller interrupted the CAN signal. I’d be curious to see how it works with the throttle controller installed after the tune is flashed.

[@isaaclopez5363]

2nd 6 gen on the channel to have one of those😳🤯

[@jrms60r]

Good info on the electronic piece of crap!

[@PacMan790]

What wheels are on the Smokey Camaro? They look good!

[@doctorgap]

Those are variant wheels man, not the greatest wheels honestly but decent if you wanna ball on a budget

[@glockmodder]

Thats strange i have a v3 sprint booster and its great

[@tonyzr7]

Does anybody know. What type of wheels are on the red Camaro??

[@MrSalty-eg4zb]

Ugly ones

[@ojdajuiceman6139]

Wheels that need to be in the trash

[@tray6441]

Variant krypton wheels I think

[@seanreaves33]

My car does that, my rpms only go to 5500 rpms before reduced engine power light comes on and it runs like it's on 2 cylinders!! I have to let it reset bout 10min now then runs better then ever with the check engine light on, takes bout 6 starts of engine for the check engine light to go off

[@rjones2000r]

I would bet it was 4 cylinders because with reduced power it probably turned on the Active Fuel Management cylinder deactivation

[@kenrain404]

Is it safe for the stock 6gen to be supercharged?

[@RaceProvenMotorsports]

Depends on boost level, tune, etc

[@modernmusclecar1904]

What wheels are on that red Camaro?

[@richardmartin6533]

Variant Krypton's

[@richardtisdale3245]

Lol someone said that opening the hood makes a difference in power??? Naw the reason you keep the hood open is to help with heat soak amd the dyno wiring... so if people didn't know now you know

[@davep.1330]

That Camaros got that Burble Tune by Vitesse...lmao!!!!

[@PERFECTLS3]

The Chevy SS dyno hood open vs closed should make no difference as the Roto Fab setup on the SS is a closed lid design. The Camaro SS Roto Fab is an open design that seals against the hood, so while that may see a difference, it shouldn't be significant unless when closed the air intake exceeded the capacity of the inlet on the Roto Fab. The function of the throttle controller is to ramp up the signal to the throttle position sensor. Not make the signal faster, just show the throttle more open as he noted. Most also have an economy mode that does just the opposite. It looked like before he showed us the reflashed reduced power symptom that the controller was hooked up and the car was running fine. The throttle controllers will not make the car faster, they will not make the signal to open the throttle faster. They will make the pedal more touchy and/or require less pedal to do the same work under non full throttle conditions. In my case I have an N/A build with a fairly aggressive cam, with a throttle controller. It makes it much easier to come off of idle when engaging the clutch, without having to put so much pedal into a stop start traffic or traffic signal scenario. I enjoy your videos very much gentlemen, the shop comradery appears to be very good, and that makes for a productive crew that clearly puts out good work. Nice job guys.

[@alecmarshall215]

Haha I knew what it was going to be before even seeing the video. Can’t believe people still buy that trash

[@hortonj63]

Soon as you said you reset via battery. yea throttle controllers suck!

[@justinjones5288]

Ceramic coating does help however

[@rafatrill]

Does anyone know if all SS Camaros are supercharged?

[@RaceProvenMotorsports]

No they aren’t. None are factory

[@guadalupenunez5505]

2 things not to buy, throttle control and those ugly wicker bill spoilers!!

[@doofusgilmore7164]

Pedal commander, electric turbo, and one of the tornado intake inserts and you got a racecar.

[@RadDadisRad]

Pedal commander isn’t bad. It does exactly what it’s supposed to do and on the fly.

[@brembojoe]

Hahah +1

[@Does_it_come_in_black]

and cancer lol

[@tylerdavis6277]

@Paul Wilson my dad has one on his 2017 titan XD which has a slight dead peddle. The peddle commander makes it drive normal.

[@taylorgraybeal9801]

I have a 2016 Corvette Z06

[@drewdalesandro672]

I am super Happy for the Camaro guy that spend a lot of money for a stink ass car! Someone sold him some snake oil and Fran has inform him!

[@turbotysen]

well got damn those rims are gorgeous on that car...

[@kapss0832]

I thought the cars were impressive/nice but fuck that the rotti was fabulous looking nice frame/stance!

[@thegonz7833]

Why 7 lbs on this whipple camaro as max and the whipple Silverado was 10lbs?

[@ScabFarmer]

the Gonz because that’s the size pulley the guy had on it......probably what came on the supercharger, he could get a smaller pulley if he wanted more boost obviously.

[@Bmackins94]

Pulley size

[@ICYASIAN95]

What year did RPM starting growing

[@RaceProvenMotorsports]

We opened on 2005. Been growing ever since

[@kevinfitzpatrick5949]

@@RaceProvenMotorsports Not sure if you will see this, but know a comparable shop for coyotes? Love you guys but don't have a Chevy.

[@kevinfitzpatrick5949]

One day I'll have a C6 or C7

[@mr.s.7166]

Rottweiler dogs are the best dogs ever i miss mine they were awesome...

[@georgewilliams3740]

Mike Shred Yes they are!! Dogs are one of the most awesome blessings God has shared with us!!!

[@minibikemadman]

A new ecm musta cost some loot..

[@Boostlifelex]

I have a few friends with pedal commanders and Camaros and they have no issues with them . I'm guessing real tuners don't like them is the only thing

[@ahmedal-mawlani5284]

I like the wheels on the ss

[@Perkuleezful]

The Sedan or Camaro?

[@ahmedal-mawlani5284]

@@Perkuleezful Camaro

[@tlalexander3]

12:40 sounds like a 2 stroke outboard out of the water

[@magnummax78]

I think that device is used more to limit the throttle, not increase it.🤷🏾‍♂️

[@RaceProvenMotorsports]

No it’s not lol

[@magnummax78]

@@RaceProvenMotorsports, apparently, I misread, then.🤷🏾‍♂️ While I have your attention, I’m swapping an LS7 into my Datsun 240z (with the original carbureted L24 engine). I want to make sure that the fuel delivery system on my car will be equal to the task. Would you recommend that also swap out all of the original hard (metal) fuel lines with wider lines, and what type of fuel pump should I use (spec-wise)?🤔

[@jaredthisdelle5617]

Just dyno in reverse lmao 🤣😂🤣😂🤣

[@fergyfresh90]

sounded like a rotary tune XD

[@invertedpolarity6890]

Yup. Throttle controllers are such a scam.

[@greggfridline4260]

The guy buys the super charger and then wrap and what ever that throttle control thing was, looking for more power I am guessing. Why not just do the super charger and cam. That cam he would get a nice jump in power. I hate the gadgets, go with the for sure power.

[@That_Corvette_Guy]

Not a chance in hell I’d put one of those things on my car!

[@denalidriven1574]

If they made a LT1 6.2 455hp with 8speed zf for 35gs other options available mon soon 100watt sound system dual mode exhaust as well as mag ride while offering a SSX Package that added spoiler flared fenders manual or 8speed 6.2 LT4 650hp the car would of done better. going LS3 with shitty 6speed was a mistake in my book.

[@By_Any_Means_Necessary]

Lesson learned ask customer to fill out a form of any and all mods done so if they don't mention everything then they have to pay extra for waisted time

[@dmdltz843]

As far as the red Camaro I really don't understand... Owners got the bread to bring it to RPM but still fuckin with the BS exhaust wraps and pedal commanders???? Either you got the bread or not, seems like he do and maybe it's new money to this owner but if he sees this comment it's time to let RPM do their thing and leave the ghetto shyt behind bro... That Camaro is way to nice to put that shyt on it

[@jj_cruz]

Well said. 🤝

[@maxshaikhh99]

doesnt header wrap prevent your headers from melting your plug wires.

[@jammega9194]

That Camaro sure is purty

[@fast9434]

Dyno in reverse please.

[@wileecoyote5749]

"Don't ever this for your car". Don't worry,with the continued economic downturn you won't be buying anything.

[@fir3gun]

3:30 IS WHAT YOU CAME FOR

[@HVRDLVLZ]

I bought a throttle controller 😂 that bullshit is in my trunk now. IT'S JUNK

[@Build0001]

It’s really sad that people get away with selling junk like the throttle tricking device. Garbage,!

[@Swany86]

smells like steve befor summer's eve?

[@ScabFarmer]

And that was a knock off brand of the pedal commander brand the most popular brand of those and they charge like $250-$300 for that little gas pedal module they are making a killing off those things

[@RaceProvenMotorsports]

Still all junk