don't go to a coding bootcamp in 2024..

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So much has changed in the industry in the past two years. With all these changes I think a lot of us are second-guessing whether or not to attend a coding BootCamp in the first place. In this video I talk about why it might not be the best idea for everyone and what to do if you decide to go to one yourself.

[@simone8481]

for me tho: I had 0 self discipline and I couldn't study by myself with the resources you find online. I would just procrastinate. Right now I'm at halfway of a coding bootcamp, I'm one of the 2 best students in the class. Having someone that follows you has helped me so much. I couldn't have done it by myself

[@ColbyJaxCodes]

Agreed. It's much better to actually get it done if there's not that push.

[@davidsousley1502]

which bootcamp are you enrolled? And would you recommend it?

[@evolvingshan7970]

Hi what boot camp did you go to?

[@simone8481]

@@evolvingshan7970 I’m italian, and it’s called aulab :) there’s Aulab Spain too

[@ConernicusRex]

There's literally no one to look over your shoulder at a tech job. You do the work on your own or you're fired. That's it. You need to change your whole temperament.

[@Charlie_8rown]

I completely feel where you are coming from. I just finished bootcamp and my school has over 600 students that have graduated and that have been applying to jobs non stop. Mind you not everyone finished at the same time. Some of the students finished roughly 8 months ago and are still on the hunt. And every month that goes by that is an additional 100 people from just this bootcamp.

[@ColbyJaxCodes]

Stick in there man! It's tough but we can make this happen. I'm interested in connecting with more bootcamp grads. Hit me up on LinkedIn if you every want to chat.

[@kevincannon2269]

Really cool to hear your motivation - best of luck!

[@brittanycallen7974]

I really resonate with this! Thanks for the video.

[@ColbyJaxCodes]

:)

[@traezeeofor]

Thanks for this, I just subscribed. Loved your realness. I'm learning just like you though completely self taught. Slighlty ahead or at par with you in learning, and I love your takes. I also resonate with not wanting to do "blue collar jobs at 50". Want to build valuable skills and live out rest of my life easier. I'm 40 now. Like you said wish I had started couple year sback, but i'm dead determined to make it work now anyway. Regards man.

[@ColbyJaxCodes]

Best time to plant a tree was ten years ago, second best time is today! Good luck. Got an interview with a self taught engineer coming out soon!

[@thecasualpkm8534]

Great video. I'm also a blue coller worker. Have been my whole live. I joined a bootcamp of sorts to teach myself frontend web development. Right now the market is tough because of the lay off. But you have to remember most of those are higher end coders. The position I'm trying to get into is low level. Pay isn't great but it gets me in the door. Neworking is everything in the industry

[@ColbyJaxCodes]

That’s what I’ve found as well. Networking so far has been key. Just chipping away at things.

[@viewsbyblur]

Yo I work in the oil and gas field myself, I finished my Bootcamp in August 2022, and still haven’t had a lot of luck. Granted my projects on my portfolio aren’t too good but I’m finding time each day to work on code. I’m currently learning DSA’s and working on a MERN social media app.

[@thomaswhyte5107]

I can't wait to finish my bootcamp and learn by myself, i just feel like the pressure of submitting work and assignments each week, finding the time to study on top of a 40hr a week job and trying to be a parent has been brutal!! Been so many weeks i wanted to quit but i kept at it. 20 days to go to hopefully get my certificate. its all been hybrid so learning through zoom calls was hard for me, any problem you have, you need to book a 30min slot with your TA and that was only 2 days a week they were available. Don't get me wrong its paved a way for me to learn lots of different things. The thing with my bootcamp is each week your onto something new so barely enough time to practice, which is why i cant wait for it to be over.

[@florinambulanta8711]

are u in the uk? which bootcamp are u?

[@netzarim1277]

I completely understand you 100% as I feel exactly the same. Im completing mine on early Sept and can’t hardly wait to complete it so I can go back and relearn at a pace that I can absorb well the material. We haven’t been given any literature of any of the topics…all we have is the exercises and the zoom recordings which are useless when a teacher doesn’t know how to teach. I understand the purpose of the challenges, but I do not feel they are the best source of learning as each week rather than study I spend the majority of the time in solving it thru trial and error…to which I feel is not efficient. Once I finish I think I’ll try codeacademy or coding dojo or something like that. Also, the are free sites that have practically the whole curriculum.

[@ronbackal]

Thanks for all the perspective! I am not sure right now- I know I'd love data science, but 17,000 dollar now, that's heavy. U.S. education prices are ridiculous across the board

[@QuirkyAvik]

0:35 yep that's true. Back in the day I was getting accepted to places without a degree or experience and now they don't even look at you if they see just three things. Now you need real live projects that have done well and many other things. I regret leaving my tech job back in the day, I thought I would get another when the time comes and I need more money.

[@MapleJokerRofl]

Convinced me to attend one in 2023!! thank you

[@ColbyJaxCodes]

Get after it.

[@ron101346]

Excellent advice. I can't add anything of value to what you have already said!

[@karl4813]

Here in Scandinavia (Norway, Sweden, Finland, Denmark) you need both degree and personal side projects to get hired, especially right now. Without degree the biggest firms with the best pay (100k +/yr) simply wont hire you no matter what experience you have and the rest of the mid-size and start up companies only hire people without degree if they are extremely talented doing open source contribution (to even do this requires skill from many years experience), have created their own live webapp app and scaled it with thousands of users, or if they are lucky and know someone from within the company who takes them in. It's basically harder than just getting the degree itself. Now IF you have the degree, you only need a couple side projects to show some surface lvl knowledge of the relevant technology(React for front-end etc.) and it's much simpler than trying to become some wizard at it without the degree

[@ModrnDayMonk]

Solid advice! 👍😏

[@L.A.---]

Thank you for helpful video.

[@linknewborn88]

I graduated from the General Assembly 3 month immersive program this past April and I couldn’t agree more with what you are saying. The job search is more difficult it has ever been so it is even more important to be passionate about coding since you have to do a lot more to stand out in the market.

[@jceast2000]

How did you feel about that program ? I looking into general assembly as well

[@harambetidepod1451]

The future is bright for anyone willing to put in the work. Right now machine learning and AI are the latest gold rushes.

[@zaetonyreyes]

What do you mean by machine learning exactly?

[@ddmozz]

Yeah, I totally agree. I think most people approach this in the wrong way. Programming/coding shouldn't be your career. Business should be your "career," and coding is just a tool to create products, automate things, etc.

[@no3lcodes]

I'm self-taught. Did an online course on web dev, then one on advanced react. My first job was through Microsoft, they have a program called LEAP. And I now have been in the industry for over a year. I recently got laid off tho XD so I'm in the hunt as well. Response to your take: Completely agree. If you are doing it just for the money, if you think it's easy to break into tech you're crazy. Especially if you are paying for it (bootcamp or college). When I was looking into my options: College, Bootcamp, self-taught, one required 4 years, the other one around $16k, the other one discipline and so I picked the self-taught route and made myself study every day for hours and hours. Was I happy? sometimes, did I have to force myself? Absolutely. I always try to show people that is not just bootcamps and or college, self-taught is another route but a very special one I would say, not for everyone.

[@Meiaixin]

Thank you for this response. I am self taught learning on Google coursera, freecodecamp and Odin project. I have been studying everyday but I kept getting imposter syndrome. I feel like I'm not good enough and need a college degree or boot camp in order to get a job. But I feel like reading your comment has made me realize that I can do it without a boot camp or going back to college.

[@TCBarogba]

hey @@Meiaixin, Seems like it has been 5 months since u typed here hehe so how have u been doing so far? Anything new in your studying or career? Cheers :)

[@namelastname8393]

Do you have any update you're willing to share? How are you doing now?

[@no3lcodes]

@@namelastname8393 Hey there, yeah October 2023 I got hired at JPMC. This is my third job in the industry and I'm doing amazing :)

[@ealvinoq]

Thanks for creating this video. One Im checking is very costly, it is in person, what about to take it on live but remotely, do you recommend?

[@alexbalayants8490]

Currently doing due diligence on Fullstack Academy and Codesmith. CS charges a lot more and has no scholarships. FA has a smaller cost and scholrships. I have been learning Python by myself, and getting a job with just Python is a pipe dream unless you’re a math wiz and know AI. So I’m leaning towards full stack. Once I get the first gig I can continue learning Python, and maybe scoop up another language.

[@dzllz]

Great video.

[@ColbyJaxCodes]

Thanks a lot. Glad to see you back!

[@Anthonycast970]

Do you believe a coding bootcamp is worth adding onto if I have a college degree in information systems? Unfortunately two years post grad I haven’t been able to find anything.

[@tiffanydavis1028]

If not learning to code, then what is the new way to make $200,000 in 2 years?

[@richardly1543]

Im self taught html css JS react and python. Im starting the BrainStation bootcamp in a couple weeks to hopefully leverage their network. I have been applying to hundreds of jobs the past month and havent gotten any responses. Im hoping the bootcamp could be the thing that helps me stand out and get my foot in the door for interviews

[@MoreNizar]

hey man how is the bootcamp?

[@pratik2777]

How's your interviews going?

[@undertaker343]

ADVICE PLEASE >>>> I got a cool office job (medium income) no stress or extra work hours but it has 0 future career progress or $$ progress and if smth happens (god I hope not *wood knocks*) and i get fired it will be shity since i don't got experience on something unique . I am about to do my 3rd Deloitte interview and thinking of going there as a junior is it worth i t in 2024? I'm 30years old i don't like stress but I'm ok with it for a year or so but is it worth in the long run ? :(

[@Childofyahuwah12]

I’m trying to learn how to code and I don’t know how to do it at all so what’s the best options for me because I want to learn this to help the young guys in my neighborhood and teach them this and show them another way and lead them down the right path please let me know what’s a good option for a beginner.

[@CMXCIX-AD]

What are the best free resources you would suggest?

[@sixstanger00]

TBH, these libraries and frameworks are starting to get a bit out of hand. They're becoming as numbersome as streaming services, and there's simply no need for that. Most custom projects are going to require CSS & JS to be tailored specifically to that's project's needs. It's starting to feel like every week someone is coming out with a new library or framework. Expecting developers to know them all is preposterous. That's is asinine; the Angular library might work in certain situations, but not MOST. Neither are Bootstrap or Vue. The thing is, implementing these libraries might save _some_ time, but the time saved will be lost trying to interface them with the project's demands. Plus, any time saved during the coding phase by using these libraries is lost ten fold when the dev has to track down a bug originating from one of those libraries. They've now got to spend endless hours poring over code they didn't write. Personally, I'm a strong believer in Vanilla JS. All of my projects I do in Vanilla, because no two projects are the same. In fact, they are often so fundamentally different in what their functions are that it would be a complete waste of time to try and modify Vue or React to work within my desired specs. Writing the code from scratch ensures the JS is tailor-made for this specific application. I don't have to worry about trying to make a general-purpose tool fit into a hole designed for a specialty tool. Last September, I started working on an interactive t-shirt design lab application for my business website. It took me 2 days yelling at my computer with Bootstrap to realize that the library was simply not compatible with this project. Not enough control over how elements are styled. So I ditched 2-3 days worth of work and started over with a clean slate, this time writing my own custom CSS & JS for the project. Within a couple of weeks, I had the HTML & CSS framework set up and was ready to start implementing JS functionality. I've worked on it off and on over the past 8 months, and it's about 90% complete. What's left now primarily is monotonous busy work -- filling out the product database and assembling the clipart libraries. Bootstrap, Vue, Angular, etc are fine if you just want to pump out flashy websites for businesses that just need a web presence, but they're useless the minute the project requires any kind of customization beyond basic styling or functionality. No one is building an original interactive design lab from scratch using Bootstrap.

[@ColbyJaxCodes]

Fundamentals never betray like sexy new frameworks do.

[@vixxnmusicofficial]

I think it’s so important to have an idea of what you want to build before you enter a bootcamp. Not having a plan means you’ll not be able to ask the right questions.

[@MajorCoinzYB]

I’ve been putting off going to a bootcamp for two years now. I’ve spoken to three graduates of flatiron for their data science bootcamp and all 3 recommend and said they had a great experience. I was still on the fence because of how many ppl online shun getting into DS without a bachelors (I have an associate in business) but today I decided f it I’m gonna do it because it’s really pushing and busting butt on the side also..

[@Beny123]

How is it going for you ? If you haven’t started at Flatiron yet I strongly suggest getting really comfortable with Python and other coding tools . It will make your life a lot easier once you start the program .

[@MajorCoinzYB]

@@Beny123I actually took an 8 week course in Python and love it. I’m going to start the prework for the course this week and do some extra studying on the side. I’m pretty excited tho!

[@Tech_Publica]

Golden advice... if you go into programming just for the money or "to get a job" you will only accumulate frustration. Programming is not only a complex activity but a very "intellectually niche" one. It requires and effort and a way of thinking that is not what you are used to in everyday life. You have to have a strong interest in it , by itself. Then WHY you have an interest can vary wildly.. from wanting to build things, to wanting to solve problems, to wanting to develop videogames, to a pleasure in seeing your computer do what you want... but there has to be a reason there has to be a genuine passion. Most bootcamps executives DO NOT understand this, or pretend not to understand this when they promise that "everybody can become a programmer" Absolutely false, only a minority of people can master coding at the level required to work as a professional software developer.

[@BussinandDiscussin]

I wonder if its worth it to do Data Analysis doing Python+Tableau or if all tech is bad right now? I can definitely see web design or Java being saturated sadly.

[@0x007A]

If you have an interest in data analysis, learn SQL (DDL and DML components of SQL) and either Salesforce Tableau or Microsoft Power BI. Next learn basic Python - enough to automate data retrieval including merely downloading a data file as well as web scraping and data cleaning. Afterwards, you can learn Microsoft Excel and/or Python's data science libraries.

[@ChadAV69]

The tech industry is batshit insane right now. Companies don't just want a person that knows Html, CSS, JS, React and SQL. They also want you to either have a degree, years of experience, projects or all three. They don't want to hire a person, they want to hire a whole god dang startup. It's ridiculous.

[@kgal1298]

It’s been wild. I’m not surprised people are still trying to hit the salaries we had during Covid 😅not sure we will see those numbers again anytime soon

[@jaylazar]

The answer is making your portfolio websites very attractive

[@F.Castle]

If your wondering what to learn next after bootcamp, look at the job postings in your area. Look for what's in demand mixed with what you already learn at your bootcamp. The best bet is doing full-stack application project app using a MVC framework solving actual business problem. Practice basic technical interview questions also.

[@KodeWarrior]

Learners need to shift their paradigm. Getting started and employed within a year is not gonna happen anymore. Better have a job while you are moving to your new career, and build projects like mad. Freelancing is a great way to build the portfolio. In the last 5 years, the tech market has virtually turned upside down! Companies are moving away from taking on self-taught juniors, they have a much better pool after the layoffs. Just gonna take a serious grind now.

[@stephennelson4536]

nice runescape reference

[@romeop2345]

I love God and I love women, hot ones especially :) I hate bootcamps, I hate wasting money on it. I love private coding tutor. I love own pace. I love simple solutions. I simple guy.

[@codingprograms2078]

Bruh, is the mf truth 💯 👏

[@EagleArrow]

There is a book for High Schoolers called My Big Fat Notebook Coding. Start there to see if you are interested in the field. $15

[@mike-jg5vf]

any recommendations for bootcamps to enroll in?

[@chompiraz849]

Bro im at tripleten and its really top notch

[@YuTv1408]

There are people like the creator of Python, Guido.

[@FellTheSky]

you know you're getting desperate when you are thinking about learning java after learning python

[@jwoods9659]

If your not a creative buisness minded person dont even get into it.

[@DavidLarew]

Nucamp aka Nuscam, Beware 50% Cancellation fee

[@irustv7674]

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[@manuel.camelo]

They ARE a sca... € 3000 for NOTHING. What a waste.

[@squid7713]

Did you go to college?

[@ColbyJaxCodes]

No

[@YuTv1408]

Coding camps are a scam... you don't need math for computer science they say????? Wtfhell??

[@shaolin6150]

you don't need math for computer science. You need math for computer engineering.

[@marquisdesade3025]

AKA desperate for content

[@ConernicusRex]

The time for a coding bootcamp was 2018-2020. You missed the window and will now not be able to leverage that as a job. Period. It will hurt your chances, not help them. If you think i'm wrong and "just hating" do it, by all means. Go spend the thousands of dollars and come back here in a year when you're still not employed and let me laugh at you.

[@ColbyJaxCodes]

Can't say myself. My bootcamp fell apart and I got an entry level job without finishing it ¯\_(ツ)_/¯