EVERYTHING About Learning to Code is F**KED!

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[@dontdoit6986]

SWE here. (8 yrs exp + cs degree). There’s still a strong need for good experienced, senior level people in all tech jobs. Eventually, people age out. Few developers work more than 10 years before moving into management or leaving the field. I would start learning right now because all of these systems we have built aren’t going to suddenly go away. I’m optimistic because I work in consulting and have seen dozens of large systems with huge teams on them. If these systems failed, the companies would grind to a halt. To replace devs with AI requires tremendous expense and tremendous trust in the AI. I don’t see either happening anytime soon. There are banks currently running 40 year old legacy cobol code with teams of hundreds when their system could have been redesigned at any point. I just don’t see AI adoption happening to replace devs. Not until a cheap, easily integratabtle, and 100% secure AI option exists. As long as it takes a Microsoft or Google to train and host the AI, you’ll see hesitation from companies not willing to dump their sensitive data into the system to be churned and trained on. Anyway, learn javascript lol

[@lorelouz]

I agree with you!

[@JD-vj4go]

I agree last couple companies I worked for are in this position but they are moving dev to India.

[@escapegulag4317]

as much as I love your optimism I fear that AI will eventually (and probably rather soon) rip the IT job market apart. companies are willing to invest millions into ONE machine to replace maybe one or two full time workers. They think long term. but I could be wrong and you are a professional so take what I say with a grain of salt.

[@Kieranp96]

Problem is "experience" comes from people taking a chance on you and that never happens, like ever.

[@LeftoverSundriesMan]

The problem isn't that there aren't talented individuals willing to learn the skills required to keep these mammoth companies dependent on legacy systems in business, it's that those companies aren't willing to invest the necessary amounts into training that talent. Their obsession with maximizing short-term profits will end up being their downfall in the long term.

[@zelig1799]

I was doing quite well. Mastered html and JS, not a great eye for design so CSS wasn't fun, then I moved to react, struggled as it was class based when I first started, but got easier when they made the functional switch. Started working on full stack, all was working quite well. I still wasn't able to get a job, but I thought I was on the right path. Then I tried adding typescript. Completely threw me. I just couldn't get my head around it. Then the layoffs started. I think there are more people teaching people how to code and doing such a wonderful job of making it seem easy than there are actual people working in the industry. I get it, why do if you can teach, but it's very disingenuous. I'm sure a lot of these youtube people couldn't get a job themselves so decided to teach others, it's a bit of a pyramid scheme at time.

[@camiloalonso3709]

I feel like bootcamps today are the equivalent of a guy teaching people to day-trade back in 2008...

[@MinisterRedPill]

YEP! This is exactly my thoughts. I'm certain that most youtubers teaching code most likely never worked in the industry and are selling their knowledge to gain some ROI for the time they committed to learning

[@treyblack1997]

​@camiloalonso3709 only difference is day trading is fake and actually never produces results better than S&P 500 lol

[@david21289]

fr man, that be the truth.

[@natescode]

@@MinisterRedPill Unfortunately true. Many KZbinrs that have worked in the industry ande are competent devs push for profit more because they're used to large salaries.

[@AllanAffect]

As a self-taught programmer, knowing where the job market is going is scary, but I am happy that someone is laying it out like it is. Thank you, Dorian, for being true to yourself.

[@marvelex96]

how did you manage to learn by yourself? i find it very dificult... dont know where to aim and i get lost :/

[@ican-in2gz]

@@marvelex96 bro you just need to start nothing is dificult . once you start learning you will find the path . just start .just start

[@kennethpwebdevelopment5403]

1. The first thought that immediately crossed my mind was that it didn't matter if someone else could grasp a concept in just one hour while it took me a full 24 hours to achieve the same understanding; I was unwavering in my determination not to give up. The key is to persist, even when faced with repetition. 2. Discover your ideal learning approach; there's a multitude to choose from, including reading, watching videos, hands-on experience, or a combination of these methods. I personally explored resources catering to all these preferences, and they proved immensely beneficial. 3. Enthusiastic learners and coding aficionados often experience bursts of motivation; it's imperative not to let these moments go to waste. Harness and capitalize on this surge of energy to advance your skills.

[@steveoc64]

And where do you think the job market is going ? From my experience it hasn’t changed at all for at least 40 years now. Nothing has changed at all. Same skills are in demand as were in demand in the 80s, the 90s, and all the way through to 2024 I don’t see it changing anytime soon

[@ibrahimkuyumcu2649]

How is it scary? Would you please explain?

[@PatrikRasch]

2.5 years in on The Odin Project now. I've done it all very thoroughly, built additional projects on the side, and worked with a couple of dev friends on another project. Job search has just begun. This is what I love to do, and long-term I want to build software for others that I always wish I had. Unfortunate about the timing, but I believe that if I just keep hammering at this, I'll eventually have so much knowledge that I'll undoubtedly find something that I can build upon further.

[@cboyye]

Why on earth did you wait 2.5 years to start applying? You should have applied 2 months in.

[@nedaltrebor8553]

I'd never bet against anyone who is slow steady and relentlessly consistent.

[@lalithrockz]

Man thats a long time. Im guessing you were working on the side as well

[@AbedDan]

Keep it up

[@johanneswelsch]

You can reply to me comment if you want me to show you a good path forward.

[@georgetsintsadze8981]

This is the most demotivating yet realistic video about coding that I've seen in 3 years. More videos like this are needed. Many people waste time trying to code just because everyone makes it sound so great, despite high failure rates.

[@Seekingtruth-mx3ur]

Yeah all these channels just do it for views or to sell their stupid courses. They don't really give af about you. I spoke with Andrei the founder of Zero to Mastery about this the other day and he didn't give me enough reasons as to why should people pay for his program and he gave me a vague answer "there will always be a need for swe" lol that's what they all say.

[@lalithrockz]

​@@Seekingtruth-mx3uryou can just buy the udemy course when on sale, i was in a bootcamp that referred udemy material other than live doubt classes. They made us refer to what was necessary in the course. I did get a job with compensation that is normal in my location.

[@SandraWantsCoke]

Don't be demotivated, it's the BEST time to learn how to code. In 10 years it may no longer be the case.

[@Seekingtruth-mx3ur]

@@SandraWantsCoke What do you mean in 10 yrs?

[@SandraWantsCoke]

@@Seekingtruth-mx3ur The AI will be much better in 10 years. Right now it can't compete with average developers, you can't tell it to do the Tickets. It just can't. But it will be able to in 10 years.

[@Maikeru305]

Your honesty is always welcomed and appreciated my man. Thank you for staying true. There are others I used to follow thst you can see they are just regurgitating the same crap they've been trying to sell every year with no substance. Thank you for being genuine.

[@bdjnk]

I'm a senior software engineer. I was fired in a lay off a week ago. I have applied for over 50 jobs since then. So far two have moved me to the first interview, six have rejected my candidacy, and 40 some odd have not responded yet. It is rough out there.

[@flowerforsyte5671]

How could a senior developer not be able to get a job? I know it's rough BUT if your senior level you should have got something. Are you just applying to the big tech companies? Are you trying small tech companies also?

[@randomuser17184]

​@@flowerforsyte5671 good point. i had the same situation, only two or four companies let me move to the first interview, and the rest rejected me, but i thought it was because i was a fresh grad and had no experience yet. to think it also happens on senior level positions makes me a bit anxious.

[@bdjnk]

@@flowerforsyte5671 All sizes, except tiny (I need decent medical coverage). It's only been a week and a day. The number of rejections has nearly doubled since yesterday morning. Many companies are waiting until January to hire for accounting purposes.

[@takoflame4948]

To be fair its tough for any job at the moment

[@Ivcota]

Hard for seniors since there are lots of seniors / mid levels without work. I’m exiting my role next month and there have been over 200 interviews to fill the soon to be empty position

[@Alexdeor23]

I'm currently in a financially tough spot, and for the last couple of years, I've been trying to get a better job. My job company is currently paying for training programs, and it's between web-dev boot-camp and another program that is more in line with what I'm currently working as. After spending this year looking for a web-dev job, the requirements have been increasing, and the job market has become too competitive. The honesty of the video helped me to reflect and reinforce my decision. Truly, thank you.

[@DevlogBill]

Excellent video Dorian! Well, the best thing is to continue to learn how to code. Continue to send applications but with zero expectations. The value is you can make your own products and those products you make for yourself eventually you can make for others by freelancing. Thanks for sharing!

[@DesignedByTaz]

I love the realness in this. I’ve been a designer for almost 2 decades and I’m struggling to find work right now despite an experienced portfolio. This is so much more terrifying than 2008 was for me personally.

[@Great_YY2]

Thank you for your honesty mahn . I figured this truth for a while now about reality of coding and people need to realize that times have changed. People need to start self navigating and not taking advices from some KZbinrs that only confuse them more . And the KZbinrs at the end of the day only want what's beneficial to them ..

[@42095203578023]

Hey Dorian. Your no bs approach to all this is refreshing and seems genuine. Probably the selling point for me to sub and follow your content. As other have said, hope you manage to stay true so you can build a loyal following and keep providing awesome value

[@dylanthomas3140]

Thanks for being real. I been learning for almost 2 years now. Html, css, js, react, typescript. I’ve invested so much and it seems there is no end in sight. I am extremely worried as I don’t have the time and money to keep doing this. Dunno what to do anymore

[@lapidations]

Learn Bubble and start getting paid for it in two or three months. I did exactly this. Started with code, then I dipped in low-code and found out it made me much more powerful.

[@jimmygore8214]

There is truly no end but along the way you will become more competent

[@AnotherDayattheDock]

learn java or C++ and DS/algos. Gotta learn the CS fundamentals. Front end dev is a shit show rn. Download textbooks and read them and apply it building random shit you think is cool. C++ will make you a better programmer when you learn java. You also need to learn about dbs, so familiarize w mongo db or sql. Learning JS is way too one dimensional.

[@natescode]

learn GO and apply for a startup. You need to find a way to stick out from all the other React / TS devs. Learn Vue, Angular, React Native even etc.

[@PerfectorZY]

As a Software engineer at a FAANG company who studied computer science with over 7 years of work experience. I feel learning more frameworks won't help much. The ability to pick up new tech, solve problems, and prevent problems from arising in the first place are way more valuable than knowing the hot new framework. I work with people who have PhDs and those who have no degree at all. Start building things and learn what you need to accomplish your task. I wish you all success!

[@sebastianpayancristancho5027]

One the the realest point of view out there. Many of us have started learning data analyst and cybersecurity too. That's true is easier to learn but it is still uncertain how much will people be able to make remotely. Thanks for that review

[@the_dude_playing_the_guy]

You are the most realistic person on the tubes. Thank you man!! I have done literally every single path to learn, and honestly I almost gave up so many times due to the tech stack, peoples opinions, biased information and crap. I wish I would have gone back, followed what I was most interested in, reading the documentation on said subjects and just keep practicing and recreating projects that excite me. I have even done college for computer science. I have learned more and done more with free open source platforms than I did with school...

[@mik0son]

The moment I finally had my webdev portfolio job ready was also during the moment the coding job market crashed. Very bad timing and a dream killer. I don't know what to do. Back to doing Uber I suppose.

[@user-hm9is5ke9i]

Dont give up.

[@mik0son]

@@user-hm9is5ke9i Thank you

[@bluex217]

Just keep trying. Don't apply to any roles that are looking for a "Senior" dev though

[@mazlanhalim9141]

Thanks Dorian for sharing this. I do feel the same way. To continue to learn to code or abandon it and start something that AI won't distrupt. We live in a such uncertain times, it is scary...

[@srenlarsen3148]

The hole problem is AI is just getting more and more smart. and wry should anyone use X years to learn a codingplatform. When AI can do it in just minuts. Sure it can be funny and good and so on as a hobby also. But when 1 person in a company can site down whit a headset and just talk to ton off AI bots that do the work then it will be a problem. And sure you will here some say it cant and other it will. The problem is just it is allready here doing it Whit a net connection.

[@brandonleemoss]

Honestly it's coming for everything and once Androids get strong enough well there goes your manual labor jobs too😮

[@sassycaterpillar6631]

Dorian "the Realest" Developer. Thanks for keeping us humble and readjusting expectations. Feels like these days everyone is being extra optimistic to sell their product.

[@SahedX]

thanks for keeping it real man. appreciate it. i am still trying my best not to loose hope and just keep pushing, and maybe with a little luck... things will work out

[@kamilp3992]

I think it's still worth learning how to code, but your perspective is very realistic. I see it this way: it's darn hard, so as a self-taught learner, I have to be 5 or 6 times better than I was in 2020, not to mention 2017. It's unrealistic to land a developer job even after a year of learning; now you just have to be much better than before.Discovering code, I've found my passion. And in these challenging times, it's incredibly valuable. While work is my goal, it's not everything; I enjoy working with code, and I like this lifestyle. I believe that today, it's becoming more important for code to be not just a means to a very well-paying job.

[@Tythecodeguy]

Preach brother! You have to actually like the field now😂

[@EPICPIXEL24]

Negativity bait in software videos is disappointing and let’s a lot of people think twice to learn software. It’s sad. I always call out those people.

[@JD-vj4go]

@@Tythecodeguy this is nonsense. Passion doesn't matter. Nobody really cares. My company does not care how passionate you are, how good you are, or how excited. They want cheap devs and are moving overseas like all the tech companies and enterprises.

[@kamilp3992]

@@JD-vj4go You have a point. If landing a dev job is your main and only goal, but I'm trying to say that enjoying the process of learning and commitment to coding are more important now than they used to be. My perspective is not purely economic.

[@Tythecodeguy]

@@JD-vj4go that’s not the point I made, no shit companies don’t care about you. What I’m saying is that YOU as a person have to ENJOY learning computer science and engineering if you actually want to make a career in this field. Otherwise you will burn yourself out if all you care about is the money.

[@gk7003]

Really loved this insightful and honest video. I was tossing up between going full on into coding and just doing something more accessible, I ended up going with massage therapy for time being but long term will get into coding, it seems ultra competitive right now too so that was another reason affecting it. still in meantime I'll still be learning to code and after massage school I'll go back to school for coding

[@scene2much]

I learned to code in the '70s because I was amazed at the whole idea of computers and the thrill of making them do fun and productive things. I never thought that I would become a programmer. The joy and awe of what a microprocessor is and can do was the fusion reactor poweringf my joy and profession. Do what you love!? Fall in love with it and the rest will follow. Just remember to love your friends and family more.

[@ajz1799]

Thank you for keeping it real man. I used to look up to you a lot as a programmer but now I look up to you as a person. You’re an inspiration whether you realize it or not. I see a lot of my self in you. I hope someday I get my life together and a career figured out. Thanks for all your content and advice it really helps.

[@rismah8002]

Just wanna say thanks for keeping it real. Really appreciate it. I stumbled onto your channel when I was first starting out and it was inspiring. It's really a shame what's ultimately become of the industry :( used to be people can learn on the job and now everywhere expects coders to be engineers from the get go.

[@Tythecodeguy]

I unfortunately have had to move away from web dev and am going back to school for comp sci. I found I love technology even if it isn’t as a dev so I will be staying in this field until i make it. We were all fooled into the idea that if we learned these basic skills we will be able to get a career, it’s just unfortunately much harder than we thought.

[@Triple_A-679]

Same here, I switched to CS major last year from EE, I was fascinated with Programming after a C++ Course, I just knew that getting in isn't going to be easy.

[@natescode]

I feel bad for new devs these days. I got an AAS in 2013 got a job and the rest was history.

[@Unknown_Creature16]

yea it sucks. in other industries it isn't this way. You earn a certain certificate and that's enough to get work opportunities. You don't have to keep learning bleeding edge stuff just to stay employed or marketable - not to mention job interview prep. Friends that work in other industries think it's crazy that I study or prepare for job interviews

[@JD-vj4go]

You guys talk about making it like you're trying to be a rock star. It's just a job like being a plumber. The reason you can't find work is all the jobs are going to India and H1bs.

[@Tythecodeguy]

@@JD-vj4go 1. Being a software engineer is much more lucrative and less physical labor than being a plumber, so yeah. There’s nothing wrong with “wanting to make it” 2. You don’t need to tell us why the job market is bad, I’m pretty sure we all know so thanks for your insight.

[@karenwang313]

My gut feeling is telling me that trying to be a software developer is a pipe dream right now. There are a ton of people trying to enter the industry, hundreds of thousands of experiences developers on the market that were recently laid off, AI increasing productivity, and high interest rates making businesses less willing to hire, all of which will probably make the field alot less lucrative going forward. I'm not even sure what I'm even supposed to do anymore or what I'm supposed to have a career in now, because programming was supposed to be my ticket to success.

[@I_Lemaire]

Focus on AI (AI Implementation / ML Engineering)

[@Seekingtruth-mx3ur]

Yeah same here. I don't know what to do either.

[@chimagamer4157]

just do it anyways, the basic skills of programming are always going to be valuable, there is a reason many CEOs of big companies nowadays have some kind of Engineering degree. Just look at what is the next hot trend and go that way, tech always has something like that, and going there is always the easy way in. right now AI, Data Science, Statics, stuff like that, is hot.

[@iulic9833]

IMO being a software developer is the safest job to go after in the coming years, since it's the last one that would be replaced completely by AI. There will always be someone developing AI technologies. Yes it is true that it will be a lot harder to get a job, but the more competitive you become, the better you will end up, I would double down now.

[@edmandell3064]

Look into Data Analyst or Data Scientist. It's a great position with great income.

[@JenJHayden]

Thank you so much. For real. With your help, I finally gave up on the self-taught developer path. You helped me see it is a hobby for me. Not a career. Thank you. 😢 It's long over due.

[@brianruizy]

I really appreciate your insight and honesty, as someone who's just starting with the "tech content" creation thing. 5:15 you're very right on "always trying to be optimistic"

[@chacquito1862]

As a bootcamp instructor I gotta say this video is pretty accurate… that said, some programs are good for certain ppl but it’s not an easy road and will take more like a year to see any ROI, and that goes for any learning path cause it’s tough these days

[@RyanLBuchanan]

Your honesty is very good to hear . . . hard to hear, too, but helpful. I fell for the promises of the bootcamps and spent a lot of time and money and didn't get the programming job. I am still trying and your videos are very much appreciated.

[@Djswagg0]

You mind me asking how your journey has been going? How long have you been searching and which boot camp and field did you study?

[@TheSoulCrisis]

I love your message and thanks for being real! It's not easy breaking into tech.........worth it but things are so rough right now, I feel for new grads!

[@DThompsonDev]

This is why I find myself in most of my arguments. People think their stack is the BEST stack not thinking about the markets people work in and live in. Each market is different! Giving a blanket answer that should magically work for the entire globe is just wild

[@BuffaloBlack]

I went through a bootcamp in 2020 and have been able to land a full time developer job every year, and most recently held one for around 2 years before I was laid off a month and a half ago. Being on the job market for the past 60 days has really opened my eyes to the realities of the profession, whereby on Linkedin, you'll see a fresh job posting and in 10 minutes it'll have hundreds of applications. Luckily, I've been able to land interviews consistently, so hopefully I'll find a new role soon.

[@A_Good_Boy.]

Have you found any job yet?

[@BuffaloBlack]

@@A_Good_Boy. Yes, I just got hired a few weeks ago for a new full-time role.

[@A_Good_Boy.]

@@BuffaloBlack Mashallah, i am happy for you brother

[@bluex217]

If you don't mind us asking is the job remote and if not what area of the country are you in? Also are you even in North America lol.. And lastly, frontend/backend and what language(s) and/or framework(s)

[@BuffaloBlack]

@@bluex217I'm located in Dallas, Texas.. Front-End Mostly, frameworks I've worked with would include Angular thus far, and Wordpress.. I haven't utilized React much in my professional work yet. Languages incl. Javascript, Jquery, PHP, CSS, Java, HTML

[@InsertAUserNameHere]

As someone who is just learning to code I appreciate the conversation. I took some coding classes in college as a requirement but I have not worked with it. I left my IT support role this year and the one thing that gave me pause about going into coding was AI and what it meant for the future of software development. The ability to work remotely, be creative, and stay in the IT field are part of what makes coding attractive to me. I decided to push the fear aside and go for it. Time will tell if this was a good idea or not.

[@nervmyoho7443]

Thank you for talking straight to us about your point of view. Very much appreciated. We need more of that point of view out in the open. Its uncomfortable conversation that needs to be had more often than not...

[@MinisterRedPill]

A lot of what youve said here, Ive suspected for awhile now. Thanks for the transparency. Im in Tech, just not the software engineering side. I suppose i should be thankful that I got in when I did even if im still working entry level 😢

[@domni4699]

Man, I really do appreciate you keeping it 100 with everyone. I know me personally, I have been sitting on the fence. I want an actual career, not another 9-5 that just about anyone can do. I want something that actually feeds my creative/analytical side. However, I don't want to put in years of effort for something that might not happen. or even if it does happen, I'm only going to enjoy it for x amount of time before AI takes it from me. I just been having the hardest of times, locking down exactly what I want to do with my life. I turned 31 last July, and honestly, it's scaring me quite a bit.

[@mishavarsanyi5946]

I am 19 and I am in the same exact situation as you are.

[@A_Good_Boy.]

​@@mishavarsanyi5946 You need to study AI bro... becuz artificial intelligence ain't gonna develop itself.. study a bachelor's or honours in AI

[@muhammadjawad9341]

I've been a frontend developer for 2 years now , react & web 3.0 is my current stack, have CS degree but mostly learned from KZbin.

[@VickyMei]

Thank you for this video ❤ speaks the truth. I do feel like most of the videos that I created are information heavy and that isn’t as fun or entertaining as others 😅

[@carvalho9021]

1 year ago I started learning the basics of Java Script and now I am decent at it, I wanna thank you for the motivation and the time u put into this videos Dorian.

[@naborlz]

Did you find any job?

[@carvalho9021]

@@naborlz Not really bro but I am still grinding and practing every day

[@blackshock4able]

30 dollars worth of used coding books can teach you waaay better than most luxurious $10k plus coding bootcamps

[@russell5292]

Linux Engineer here. My "education" consists of an expired A+ cert and a dozen or so used books on ebay. 🥴

[@chknchkn6385]

I agree the coding bootcamps are BS. You can't learn much concerning web dev and what you'll need to know for creating a quality portfolio and being able to perform well during coding interviews in 12-26 weeks.

[@19throse40]

​@@russell5292wtf is a "Linux Engineer"? Anything remotely close to that would be someone who works on the development of the kernel but based on the rest of what you said it just sounds like a sysadmin

[@Ou8y2k2]

Everything is digitized or digitizable, so it's not either/or anymore.

[@UndyingEDM]

Very true. Would love to hear a proposal for this because there's so much information out there that's actually useful, not just for coding. There should be a website or platform that has a no BS guide on how to navigate this career path and I would certainly be willing to do that since I'm into PKM and literally the only useful way for me to learn is click on 10 different videos on how to code sth in python just for me to watch 4 of those, out of which I'll binge 3 because they all say the same things. I keep track of every new addition to my knowledge base and rinse and repeat. It's a pain. I'd love to work on something like this but I don't have the necessary reach, while you have an audience so, you should definitely consider this. The YT algorithm is also far from perfect. I've been putting effort into my niche for years and the fruit of my labor hasn't been much. In any case, I'd love to hear your thoughts on this.

[@johanneswelsch]

Hi, my post on medium, the name there is welschmoor. It has no likes and no comments, but it's a full guide on how to become a software developer in 2023. I took me like a day to write it. I sell nothing btw.

[@user-we6fh2wy5q]

Great video. Very timely. I'm trying to move from construction to tech and dude, I'm pumped, but its tough to know where to invest your attention and energy. This helps with perspective.

[@buddhaweatherby368]

Good lookin’ out man, I appreciate the candor for sure.

[@AliceShisori]

Dorian we really appreciate you keep being real!

[@viewsbyblur]

I graduated from a Bootcamp in Aug 22’ and like many others, haven’t had the best luck myself. I definitely feel the message in this video, however, despite the overwhelming discouragement I get at times. I still code. I feel like at this point in time, the game is about persistence. At least that what I tell myself to remain focused and to keep working.

[@Tobsson]

There are always shifts in the economy. Those who look for work will sooner or later do something else, because money, and when the economy shift you'll be there, ready to apply. But, AI is scary.

[@resresres1]

Instead of applying at software companies, try manufacturing companies. Lots of manufacturing companies have so many areas in which an in-house programmer could do wonders with their systems or automation that they don't even realize.

[@viewsbyblur]

@@resresres1 I’ve applied everywhere, not just tech companies. I’m just doing whatever I can to get my foot in the door anywhere

[@Coderdawg]

Yes they keep bringing in more H1B visas

[@kolyxix]

Thank you so much for telling the truth. I admire you radical honesty and sober reflection. This is very refreshing. I am now a subscriber

[@itsadriancarter]

Thanks for keeping it real. I’ve been learning web development for the last two years and didn’t have a clear roadmap to follow. I eventually took a paid online course called Zero To Mastery. To be fair, it was a good course for learning the fundamentals, but it did not help me get a job. Due to a variety of factors, I’ve decided that web development wasn’t for me and have decided to pursue different things. I still enjoy programming during my free time, but I wouldn’t enjoy it as a job.

[@ZeryusXD]

What other things have you decided? I think learning the fundamentals tho required is not enough. Have you tried mastering a couple of frameworks\libraries inside out and building projects with them?

[@gozerofgozmis4181]

Can i ask what you doing now?

[@beepiss]

Speaking as a software developer myself. The industry is indeed saturated right now. Luckily, it's saturated with many people who are just in it for the money. They won't make it very far. If you are in it for a love of programming then I wouldn't worry at all. I rub elbows with MIT PhD's and others of that sort, and I have a bachelors from a terrible school. I made it this far entirely because I just enjoy the work.

[@sanc3375]

This. Usually a lot of the people that want in, just go for home office or money involved. They don't see the hassle of programming or even the mindset to have. I got into programming first then shifted my job to be a tester, I love taking apart a line of code than to programming it myself. I still I huge lvl of skill set to be a proper tester, but I love it regardless.

[@mrECisME]

Imagine working at a job just for the money......

[@flankman9385]

I’ve been told anything to do with computers is saturated and not worth getting into since 1992 when I first got into it 😂

[@1MinuteFlipDoc]

@@mrECisME reality for 80% of people working today. everyone can't be a movie star or professional athlete.

[@FlockofSmeagles]

You said it for me. If you have the will. You will find the way. The money has very little to with why most of us tackle these obstacles day in and day out.

[@Wynorrific1]

I got my HVAC EPA license, I do this as a hobby hopefully I could get a job in the tech world. I am looking into computer engineering more and more every day. you still code in it. Not only code but you also become a Electrical engineer at the same time. not only that HVAC already teaches you the basics on ohm's law, watts law, and diodes and capacitors; computer engineering looking bright.

[@Wynorrific1]

I'm 19 with a dream and time.

[@toddboothbee1361]

HVAC. I had a cousin in that business -- it's profitable as hell, so I understand.

[@manwellsharry-mt2oq]

​@@Wynorrific1 very nice

[@christiangrace5322]

I appreciate thet transparency, keep it real, new to this path and still trying to figure out if i should get into it or not.

[@user-os5sy8zp3f]

Thank you for that information I really enjoy it God bless you and your family and have a wonderful bless life and don't let it get to deep in your head enjoy life as much as you can

[@paolaanimator]

Personally as someone who is starting out on learning to code but with little budget, I'm sticking with free resources while also working a job currently and saving up money. I do more creative work at my job and even at my job I've been using AI tools to help me reach my deadline faster and everyone on the team is aware of AI (for example Photoshop has AI tools to generate pixels or now with After Effects being able to remove something from the background). I personally still feel like it's worth it to learn to code because then I'll have another set of skills that I could use for side hustles or to be able to make more creative projects in less time. Maybe one day I may join a coding bootcamp, but I'm still wary of spending money and having it as an investment to search for a job knowing the tech job market is not great at the moment, lots of layoffs. But it has me thinking to think outside the box as well, work a job for steady income and also do a side hustle. I'm still figuring things out on what I want to do in the future.

[@a1m4thah3d]

I just started learning how to code 2 months ago and it scares me to think that I could spend the next couple of years learning and by the time I'm ready to find a job, AI will be eliminating more and more entry level positions. Its not going to stop me from learning as I genuinely do enjoy coding, but it does have me worried. I mean the whole reason I got in to it in the first place was to get out of this hole that I'm in of working low paying dead end jobs. I recently found out that I have a cousin who has worked for Google for the past 20 years (not sure what exactly she does yet, but I do know she's pretty high up the chain and has been a speaker at many development conferences around the world), along with working with another company that develops software for medical/scientific applications and I'm HOPING she may be able to offer some insight in to what direction I need to think about going. Again, thank you for your honesty. We need more people like you on YT.

[@innocentrage1]

Entry level positions were already phased out well before AI, like 20 years ago. Now employers want 10 years of experience for 50k a year

[@fwdflashwebdesign]

AI is already taking over... don't waste your time...

[@harmonylivingston3460]

It took me forever to land my dream job, but I finally did it developing in-house solutions and implementing updated infrastructure. I'd say the best thing someone who wants to break into the industry by teaching themselves can do is to generalize. Don't necessarily go cert hunting, but build out your skills to include as many parts of the IT world as you can. The more specific your role is, the more likely it can be automated. Furthermore you're dependent on whatever skill/technology you've spent your whole career on. In times as uncertain as these, it's the ability to pivot that will allow you to survive, and being a technical generalist will assist you with that.

[@ggvoota]

Always remember to have fun with everything you do, if you enjoy something you will have fun as you learn and that can create passion that will guide you.

[@tiagobordin6580]

I feel that for every job out there where I feel I am able to apply, there are 50 people trying to sell a course for me, more people selling courses about how to sell courses, and a thousand people wanting that job. Every day there is a new framework, library, and language. I study since 2014, and things are really crazy. I think it's easier to builda company than to get a job, and that's what I am going to try.

[@chukukaogude5894]

I am sticking with Java, Spring and Angular. If I can learn that, then I should be able to learn the rest. I READ BOOKS. So I can dance around in my head with the concepts and move at my own pace and understand it. You know before I got back on the learning how to code, I went back in 2020 and learned how to digital paint. I learned all the art concepts from 2020-2022 on YT. There were two types of art channels. Art for Clout channels that didn't really teach anything. Art channels for learning. I found that I learned more from the art channels that stuck with TRADITIONAL PAINTING. They went through the fundamentals of art. Unlike these clout art channels "fixing your art", "how to paint an eye" and stuff like that. I want to work as a software developer for 10 years and then move on to something else. Worst case that happens after I finish reading this year and apply like crazy to many places is that I dig deep and try to make my own company. It will probably flop over and over, but at some point, I should find something that generates at least 100/month lol. Software is like Math, all I lose mostly is my time. No other resource is needed. (other than a computer) My end goal in life is to release a video game with a decent story and gameplay. I'll probably run to my local CC to learn how to be a plumber because I'd like to know how to fix up my own home. 2k dollars for the hand on learning and materials to mess up around. Isn't too bad. I see software like art. Even if A.I. can do it, I like the mental work it takes for me to find solutions. A.I. can free up time for me to do other things. The thing I sometimes dislike is when I have found a solution and I have to sit there and type it all up. I could be using that time to go find a solution for something else. The thing is so long as we have humans wanting a service, A.I. can't fully take the jobs away. A.I. will start to repeat solutions and then the software will look all the same. If everyone's website looks the same, people will not like that. Also there is a chance that a hacker's solution can work for all code meaning that A.I. would create possible vulnerabilities. Even though things like WiX exists...(I think it streamlines the website building process, I never used it) There are people who want a custom feel to their software and how people interact with it. If VR is the future, A.I. will be hard pressed to streamline a 3D interaction experience. Look at games nowadays, people say they are boring because they all do the same exact thing. Nobody is really trying to go out there and try something new. So now they are looking at indie game devs for innovation to the formula. I tell this to EVERYONE. Until A.I. can live a life like us, our jobs can't be fully replaced. It will take more brain power to get a job but what's wrong with having humans who are more knowledgeable? They always have this effect in jobs. Where it's easy to get in at the start of said field, then it becomes progressively harder over the years. Same thing happened to concept artists. They need to know their stuff before applying to get a job. This was BEFORE A.I. art. The question is what is that next job that will take anyone in and teach them with minimum requirements? Cybersecurity? A.I.? Data Science? VR? something we haven't seen yet? who knows. So, I'll stick to learning how to make a decent website first then focus on something else while I wait for job offers.

[@chimagamer4157]

Yes, i always say AI is nothing else other than a fancy tool, it is like a robot used to automate the production process of cars, and after a decade of trying, Tesla gave up with going fully automated. Same issue will probably happen to companies using AI, they will want to hire less Devs, but end up fucking themself so hard they go back.

[@DevSofo]

I really love that you started talking about code again

[@cesarlabastida1392]

This is so true most of the stuff on KZbin is the fun parts of programming if you really want to learn there is nothing like actually creating a project of your own or following an actual course on udemy. You have to put in time and some stuff is boring but you have to follow to understand the whole picture

[@grahamcraqqa]

Be strong everyone, programming is still the most valuable set of skills anyone can teach themselves.

[@giantsbane8439]

I think the major issue with teaching yourself coding is overcoming laziness and actually building that deep understanding of it so you can be good at the job, as opposed to just having a rudimentary understanding allowing you to do some low level shit work.

[@Void-ho8pr]

​@@giantsbane8439 You are 100% right and I'm struggling with the same thing right now

[@EverlastGX]

For how long? In a few years the industry will be very different.

[@aoeu256]

what about medicine, critical thinking, foreign language,

[@Franck_Major_X]

did 2+ years of learning and building projects for my portfolio webdev, also with other projects in other languages too. However, recently I have been focusing on cybersec mostly. Even though you won't code a lot or never in cybersec, it's still a plus to simply catch HR eye.

[@HiddenThoughts-back]

same tbh good luck

[@DrFranq]

Thank you, subbed. All the best.

[@joey0ll0x22]

I was just thinking about this the other day and you couldn't be more right!

[@BriYvonne]

A lot of self taught people are learning languages, but you aren’t learning how to engineer. You don’t absolutely need to go to college, but you do need to spend lots of time on learning the fundamentals like data structures and algorithms, math, design patterns, best practices. Don’t just learn different syntaxes over and over. Also, lots of people, self taught or not, don’t know how to write a resume that conveys to the reader that you have the skills that translate to doing THAT SPECIFIC JOB. My email is floooooded with jobs. They are looking to hire. Your mindset has to change to know that. Know that they need you as much as you need them so that you can be confident when you list your applicable skills, and when you go on that interview with your head held high, expecting the job lol Sometimes you win, sometimes you lose. Keep shooting until you score.

[@EnigmaQueen]

Agreed!! Finally someone talked about it

[@cffinch44]

Finally someone saying out loud what I have been thinking! I liken content creation to politics. Many people get into it with good intentions and then get corrupted by the need to get clicks so the system absorbs them. I jump from channel to channel when my shill alarm or click bait alarm goes off.

[@fantastic6295]

Thank you for your honesty. It takes a while until you know who is truthful KZbinr or not. Most of them trying to sell you their courses. You should examine what resources that will help and stick with it instead going with the flow. Reddit really helped me the people there are very realistic

[@PhillippAvgustinovich]

One of the most powerful scheme is when you study coding in particular and programming + computer science in general to boost your current job progress, and always ready to change the job when no longer satisfied with any factor, such as salary, work conditions, and especially your impact as a worker

[@omarbarron1767]

I’m learning Java and python self learning … but I’m doing it for the experience and knowledge. Currently studying for my A+. Then going for network and security+. I think AI is good and bad and we just need to embrace it and learn how to utilize it to our advantage.

[@GamesMediaTalk]

I switched to the IT route. Studying for my A+, going to get Net+ afterwards and Security+. Guaranteed job once I have the A+

[@StevenMayer6]

I 100% agree with all of this. I have been coding since 2005, it’s starting to get scary out there. Even Google will eliminate results and only show bigger cooperation answers, sponsors or websites where you need to sign up.

[@andrewb1570]

Good content. Thank you, man.🎉

[@king-manu2758]

There are people who want to learn to code to get a comfy, high paying remote job to just travel and enjoy their life while being able to buy their home and fulfill their material dreams. This is much harder than the influences sell it. You not only have to learn a ton of complex stuff and be really good at it but you also have to compete with senior devs who have been laid off. It's still doable but you really got to love this stuff and dedicate 200% to it. It's not for unmotivated people who do it just because of what they think it will offer them. These days it seems for those kind of people, the best solution is to make content online. I would be all over that social media money if I wasn't completely averse to public speaking and showing myself. I'm actually a digital nomad traveling the world and sometimes I think about all the money I could be making if I was a bit funny and likeable and merely documented my travels.

[@Astronomad]

Linkedin: 3,500 people have applied for this job. Good luck if a recruiter even sees your resume, not to mention passing the 7 levels shit-tests (they call it "hiring process").

[@softinix9462]

I appreciate your honesty. Rare these days. I’m an old timer, 18 years in the business and counting. It’s just sad to see ppl being lied at by those who never worked in an enterprise before. Ppl don’t believe whatever I tell them because youtubers make it look like heaven out there. Im in a strategic role right now and I’m telling you AI is already being exploited by biz to cut tech work and I’m part of that right now ironically. It’s all about bottom-line and getting things done with minimal expense. Instead of paying a consultant 150+ hr just automate as much as you can and use them for the really over complicated probs

[@Tom-gt8yv]

I Started my coding journey a year ago and watched this channel a lot back at the beginning and started with freecodecamp. I've since done a lot including a 4 month paid internship as a junior dev where i did php, javascript, html and css. I'm not continuing with JS and learning about firebase. I've applied for a few jobs but I really have no idea how hard it will be to get a job, I thought my internship I was so lucky to get would make it a walk in the park but I'm not sure it will..

[@IgorYentaltsev]

I've actually 99% abandoned my job search for a front-end development position since May 2022. A recruiter told me there's a glut (!) of programmers now. Like, overproduction of programming skills. And companies can afford spending 6 weeks instead of 4 weeks for interviews. Also, they can afford paying beans for what they used to pay reasonably well.

[@mik0son]

I was ghosted by a recruiter after an interview when she learned I was self-taught with no on-job experience. Despite having a great portfolio, it's just not enough anymore.

[@karenwang313]

It's hard to compete with the thousands of Google and Facebook employees that got laid off. It doesn't matter how good our projects are, between them and a self taught developer, the choice is a no brainer.

[@JD-vj4go]

@@karenwang313 Don't forget about the super cheap offshore devs. A lot of those jobs that were cut in the West are gone and never coming back.

[@Ivcota]

You need to consider getting into contracting. Experience is invaluable and worth a potential reduction in pay for the sake of your resume. Initially, you may not earn the highest pay and may not receive benefits, but once you've gained tangible experience, it becomes significantly easier to secure subsequent jobs.

[@mik0son]

@@Ivcota How do you find contracting? Is there really work out there?

[@alanhf]

I started to realize how messed up is the market and the profession itself when I wasked myself why are so many "pseudo-successful" programmers/coders trying to making money teaching rather than work in programing?!

[@darkcoder5799]

"pseudo-successful"

[@courtlaw1]

What I do see now especially at the company where I work which is huge is that managers are looking for people that can hit to floor running. You either know your specific skillset or you don't. I think the days of adding bodies for the sake of fear of not having enough workers is over. A.I keeps improving month after month, year after year.

[@louiskapend4530]

Hey Dorian , it's been a while since I last heard from you , and I must say honestly I MISSED LISTENING TO YOU, man you are one of the very very FEW , who are honest ...I fully agree with you on this video, there is one thing that most people fail to realize is the fact that , things are tough in every field, but some developer are not as HONEST AS YOU ARE AND ARE SELLING LIES TO BUILD UP THEIR LIKES AND SUBSCRIPTIONS ON KZbin. Thank you for saying it as it is.

[@mik0son]

Thank you! So glad someone has the balls to say this outright.

[@Adam-kk7nw]

I have 4 years degree from state university for 80k plus attend coding bootcamps still cant find a job....... goldrush of tech is over...... i dont known how i am going pay 80k off

[@trawsoza2926]

​@@Adam-kk7nwdamn that's rough 😢

[@trawsoza2926]

​@@Adam-kk7nwit is a recession even tho people don't wanna talk about it

[@mik0son]

@@Adam-kk7nw Sorry to hear that man, that sucks. Terrible times to fight out of.

[@JAM_888]

I’m learning still. Once you have a skill no one can take it away. Just be more creative more disciplined less discourage and keep pushing. Not everyone is going to make it some will. Getting hired is a skill too. If you really want something you’ll figure it out. Good luck god bless

[@JD-vj4go]

Make it? You're not trying to be a rock star. It's a job like being a plumber. Imagine if folks learned plumbing and had to wonder if they could make it. Effin lol

[@JAM_888]

@@JD-vj4go some ppl will make it through the learning process of becoming a developer some ppl will quit before. It’s a journey. El specially if you’re self taught.

[@mps_unltd]

Learning to Code on my own with KZbin videos. You are right, I'm probably f**ked and will never get a job as a Web Dev. Still practicing my HTML/CSS/JS skills though because it's fun. Thanks for everything you do Dorian.

[@grantusthighs9417]

Why is everyone trying to be a web dev? Cloud, Data Analysis, and AI/ML are the hot stuff right now. Learn any of those and you'd be 90% above the rest already.

[@mehrNrelief]

Thank you for always keeping it real

[@TwitchRadio]

I'm with you man, I'm an old school software systems engineer and project manager dating back to 2003, when I started to work in this industry... I have retired twice so far and have plenty of knowledge and wanted to help others out there, but I decided against it because I can't keep up with all the other content creators out there who do all the fancy crap, you include ( nothing personal😋)... But in order to keep somebody's attention nowadays you have to do all this extra stuff instead of them just wanting to actually learn the basics, before jumping into some of these other things that are out there and Frameworks.... I can sit here and talk until I'm blue in the face on KZbin and still not get anywhere... people are like what about python, what about this cool new programming language, ect ect... and I'm like seriously you need to learn some of the fundamentals and get proficient enough so you can move on to something else that you might like... But they don't... I also tried to explain that there's a lot of front end people already in the industry, in order to separate yourself from the crowd you need to learn some major things that are always needed like Linux, databases and their structures, cloud computing... Ect ect... and it's usually stuff that people think is harder but if they put their mind to it with a good GUI in place, they would do fine... well I guess the teacher has to be proficient in teaching as well... anyways I'm with you boss, maybe one day I'll start up and actually make some content on software engineering in general but I don't see it going anywhere because I'm not ever going to do anything too flashy

[@ttrev007]

i am starting with Python because people recommend it since it is a simpler language to learn for a beginner. I am aware that it does not cover some things that a lower level languages would cover but i have my hands full with python as it is. Python is not an end point just a starting point that is less overwhelming. It is the baby steps that makes Python so appealing.

[@TwitchRadio]

@@ttrev007 good luck to you, me personally I always tell people to start with JavaScript and of a course HTML and CSS before going into python... and before using python I also recommend to people learning SQL and Linux with a bit of networking for good measure... but each their own..... and if you're not just working independently and you're trying to get into a career of some sort, I recommend looking into learning some of the algorithms as well as project management especially related to software engineering (example - agile methodologies, CDCI, extreme computing... And so on) ✌️

[@whocaresanywaybecauseidont]

Coding is a lifestyle that takes dedication and love of the craft for the sake of it, you have to be curious and want to learn computers. Coding is not a 2 week course that teaches you everything. Honestly you have to learn it yourself at the end of day, by trial and error. That's my two cents.

[@trentbosnic]

First good take I’ve seen here. If you don’t LOVE computers and solving puzzles all day, you won’t make it as a developer. The industry is fine, the issue is bootcamps settings people’s expectations way too low, being a software developer is incredibly difficult and not suited to most people.

[@whocaresanywaybecauseidont]

​@@trentbosnic Yes, so many courses are like "Learn coding in a month". It would take a month just to READ the C-89 standard. Even those Google Career Certificates are super misleading. Making people think they can learn Data Analytics and get a very high paying job in a career you've never worked in solely because of the cert/course.

[@innocentrage1]

Fuck that. Coding is a job that pays well but I'm not going our of my way after the 9-5 to learn shit

[@whocaresanywaybecauseidont]

​@@innocentrage1 You won't do well in the industry with that mindset. You might but probably not... Especially with AI being able to replace the grunt of coding these days. I had your mindset in the past when I was in college too, it's easy to stand up for your time and say I won't work for free, but coding is an artform. Just like writers don't do it for the money. If you want to do it for the money then just go be a doctor or lawyer where youll make way more bank...Computing in general is a field you NEED to put in your own time to learn new things. I am not being mean, it's just a cold fact of the field. And I don't mean you have to work for free outside of work on work projects, you need your own personal projects or open source projects. Not to mention the millions of programmers that WILL code for hours on end outside of work... And by the way... are you at work watching Dorian's videos or are you at home? If you are at home then you are already doing it for the love :)

[@trentbosnic]

@@innocentrage1 You don't have to go outside of 9-5, but if you don't love the craft you won't make it.

[@DaltonPietersen]

Thank you for being honest, i really appreciate it.

[@AlitaMee]

Hi your video was the most helpful content I have seen in months . Everything you said resonates so well. Can you make a video about what's the best strategy to learn code for beginners today, mentioning authentic paid and free. courses. 😊 Just subscribed. Thanks again.

[@AkA-mu6wc]

I think nowadays we shouldn't approach learning to code as a standalone skill. Code is just one of the tools that help in creating a product. In my experience, when I realized this, my learning curve transformed from being very steep to a fun and satisfying process. It's just my experience, but I always had many ideas for games. Being a perfectionist, I used to think I had to learn everything before even dreaming about starting my own game project. However, one day, an idea hit me so hard that I realized, 'I need the tool to do the job, that and only that.' Now, I see code, game engines, programs for design, and music creation as just tools. Every conversation with colleagues, every tutorial I watch, and every manual I read is now, 'Oh, how can I use that?' for me. Find a project that ignites you from the inside. It can be anything - a website, an app, a game. Stop thinking about coding as a job that can solve your problems; it won't. But programming in general and all kinds of tools around it definitely help you create THE tool to solve a specific problem for you, your future client, or employer.

[@jakubgadzala7474]

Amen

[@naphsworld]

This is advice I really needed thank you so much for your wisdom. I am doing a degree in Digital marketing and teaching myself to become a full stack developer and it was becoming stressful until you made me see it in a new way. I could use it to maybe own my own digital agency

[@michaelnurse9089]

I'll make some points: 1. The reason software industry went soft was the Fed stopped printing money, they were a bubble ready to burst. It may never re-inflate. 2. AI is great and all, but it is always applied in code heavy environments - so if you know code, know AI and know something else you should be employable. 3. Theoretically, In the long term, AI should make products and services near free - this means you may earn $10000pa as a worker but your living costs will be $0. It seems like fantasy but think it through. 4. In the short term - AI will cause absolute chaos as people find themselves without a job or career thanks to a software update. 5. Politics is going to matter. Stop caring about the usual left right issues - they don't matter anymore - start caring about how the whole system is going to work going forward. 6. In the past - a top earning profession was a 10 year post-school time investment. Software bucked that trend - now it is back with doctors, accountants, actuaries and some others. 7. AI will bring a transition period like the 1st and 2nd Industrial Revolutions - where 80% of the population fled to towns and cities without the skills to cope in those environments - so save, stay flexible, have backup plans, have a personal brand and keep your ego and lifestyle small.

[@SandraWantsCoke]

3. I hope not. 7. Doctors will be replaced. Surgeries will be done by robots. It is possible TODAY, but it has to go through refinement, lowering costs and legal issues.

[@mikerollin4073]

They haven't stopped printing

[@yuyamakoto115]

3. It will never happen because what's the value of your money then? What it will do is it will make rich people richer and poor people poorer. The more AI develops, the more it will be gated to be only accessible by the rich

[@IamAlexPierce]

yes ai controlling medical fields is very real but this is the at the highest level of AI , at the apex of the cycle @@SandraWantsCoke

[@otata]

I understane what you say, thank you very much. I wanted to reorient myself away from classic architecture and into the IT scene. Do you think learning to program still makes sense? JS, Python, etc.? As a designer, I tried out AI in the front office. I would like to prepare myself for the future, but I'm not sure which path would be the right one. Politically I'm sure we are all overloaded. How long that lasts remains to be seen.

[@BlackJar72]

It may be worse now, and the direction of things may be scary -- but it was damn near impossible to get a programming job in the 2010's and before. Even 5-10 years ago there weren't many programming jobs, most were senior positions, few responded to resumes and the few that did were fake jobs posted by shady "boot camps" as disguised ads for their training programs. For a long time now, I'd advise going to trade school rather than "learning to code" (or going to college for that matter).

[@AY-gf3jq]

Well said. It's easier to learn how to code but harder to get a job. Now learners can . distinguish themselves if them are excellent in what they. This is the only advice I can give to people who learn how to code as demands are now higher than before.

[@ryanthompson3446]

The thing that holds me back tbh is the prospect of companies that hire devs rn, i just would not fit in, i love coding though.

[@toddboothbee1361]

Work places seem pretty much like a mild hell, at least to me. As a Sartre character said, "Hell is other people."

[@hansu7474]

Dorian, thank you for bringing this issue up. I thought about this issue as well. And after I understood how all the contents we're seeing is created, I concluded that it's the downside of the huge impact of capitalism. Everything is about money now. People make contents on blogs, KZbin, and whatnot for profit. The reason why they make the content is not based on how they want to share something good with others, but based on how much money they can make. I'm not saying that this motive is always bad. But we're living in a society where more and more people are falling into this trap, expecting to make some money, not realizing that we're trapped in the framework where we work hard to create some content to make money and actually benefitting few people owning cloud capital.

[@vrooks4979]

I learned C++, C, Linux fundamentals in college and still having 3 more years of more cs knowledge to go and to find out that there will still be more to learn once I get out of college. Its so demoralizing. Not to mention the current state of the job market I bowed out. I switched my major to mathematics. I feel there is just so much to learn with coding and things are always changing at 33 I just don't have the motivation to keep up. I just want a job where I can go to work and be able to live. I don't want my career to be my life.

[@Reelworthy]

Good point. I learned in 2012-2013. Back then the best way was still to go audit a college class in some OOP language for like the first few classes. Then, once you get the vocabulary, then you'd know how to search for the answers that you didn't know how to ask for before. From there you could learn online very easily.

[@the1APerson]

I, too, started coding in 2017 through a local bootcamp. Got a job 3 months after graduating, went onto a new opportunity after year and was there for 4 years before the company ended up closing down in April and have been on the hunt ever since. Even though I had been coding through work all the time, I didn't keep my portfolio updated and I'm paying the price. I'm still showing my training projects as examples of my experience and had to scrounge around my previous job for anything that I can use as examples. Since my unemployment, it almost feels like I'm starting from square one again. It feels like I forgot how to deploy a site, make a page responsive or have a competent design or even figure out a simple algorithm. Been going down the tutorial/advice rabbit hole and haven't been making any good progress. Trying to update my portfolio now while looking for work feels like running on a hamster wheel, I feel like I can take a breath when I have an interview or make progress on a project but when either of those aren't happening, I'm back to running in place.

[@addacdd]

Bro I'm feeling the same way. These past few years I always wanted to jump back into code but it's hard now with the economy, I been doing other jobs just to take care of family. Then hella lay offs and the pool is already saturated. Not just programming but all across the board with IT. I been also trying for 3 years for a entry IT help desk and still cannot get back in. Multiple interviews, tests and only to be rejected.

[@norbs4004]

Same thing for me, lol. I was doing DevSecOps touching GitHub Actions for automation and improving our CI/CD pipeline with bug vulnerability test software. But I got laid-off a few months ago. Now I'm back to the LEETECODE grind, got a AWS cloud certification to stand out in the job market, plus following React tutorials and fullstack projects on KZbin. 🙄😫

[@KineticCode]

there's a lot of questions here - why didn't you make any connections at your job, why didn't you make any programmer friends in general, how do you have so much experience but your skills have deteriorated so far? not keeping up with your portfolio wouldn't have that big of an impact because you'd use the skills you obtained on the job to whip up something representative of your work. i haven't updated my portfolio in years but i'm not worried.

[@the1APerson]

@@KineticCode I’ll try my best to answer your questions: Connections? - I’ve kept in contact with my coworkers from my last job and they’re also in the process of looking for work as well. We’ve been sharing resumes and job postings here and there and trying to help when we can. I have connections outside of my job that have been some help but I need to get better in my interview prep. The owner of my last job named dropped a bunch of companies, saying he had contacts and stated that he’d help find us work but it just turned out to be bs and just focused on himself and didn’t actually have much to offer. Programmer friends? - most of my programmer friends are from my last job(which is about 6ish people) and my bootcamp(1 who actually found work in the field after. I’ve never been good with making online friendships and still self conscious about sharing my coding experience with others sometimes. Something I’ll need to fix now. Skills deteriorating? - this is my own fault because I focused more on my home life rather than making projects and updating my knowledge to the current coding climate when I first was laid off. I had written out plans for projects and had aspirations of how my portfolio was going to look but I just got distracted by life and would psyche myself out of working out of fear. That’s something I’m remedying now since I just had a couple of interviews that went well but I know that I need to brush up on everything. I’ve been putting a lot of weight on my portfolio more than probably necessary considering I was still getting interviews despite that. Glad you’re not worried about your portfolio. You must be more confident in your skills than my own. It’s something I’m working on. Hope I answered your questions to your satisfaction lol

[@the1APerson]

@@addacdd the rejections hurt but it’s something that I’ve learned to just let go after a bit. Every rejection just becomes a learning process for me. I’ll assess what I’ve said, make adjustments for next time whether it’s what I say or how confident I come off, and if I felt really good but still rejected, just means there was someone else who must’ve seemed like a better fit. Take my advice with a grain of salt because I know I’m not a good practitioner of what I preach but all I can say is keep trying and know you’re good at what you do.

[@TwoLeggedTriceratops]

I feel sorry for all the new people in the space. I started off with HTML, CSS/SCSS, and then JS. Then jQuery, then AngularJS, then Angular, and then React. While the pacing was fast especially in the last 10 years, I was able to run alongside the changes. Now the space is a mess of choices that paralyze you from the get-go. Newbies are learning backwards starting with frameworks over fundamentals. Only those that have been in the game long enough know how absurdly complex things are, and how a lot of new framework features are features that we essentially had or used 15 years ago. I will say that while there won't be as many startups around needing the latest and greatest tech, there's plenty of non-startup companies that are looking to update their stack to modern times, e.g. AngularJS to React. You shouldn't discount those choices. It may not be as fun but it's more impressive on your resume than just being a React dev.

[@EkShunya]

thank you felt like it came from the heart:)

[@gioanathanvargas557]

Thanks for keeping it real!! 👍