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[@krash3231]

The fact that half the tiles on windows start menu and on Xbox Home Screen are ads should have been a pretty good indicator that they’re in the ad business

[@pcgamerdad4251]

yeah its really annoying you can disable it in the settings I forgot where I did it but I did disable the ads on the start menu.

[@tboneforreal]

When they announced that the upgrade to Windows 10 would be free was the early indicator that they were in the ad business.

[@gonemad8008]

It sucks but it's whe way of the world now.

[@samuelrodriguez6684]

everytime I see the W11 start menu, I'm glad I'm still in W10. Looks better imo

[@billyhatcher643]

im never upgrading to winblows 11 im going directly to linux maybe within the next year

[@jannegrey593]

I hope that EU will force Microsoft to enable this option normally. Not everyone has Internet everywhere, every time.

[@Gazer75]

Kind of surprised they haven't made this illegal already.

[@25566]

Even an android phone doesn't require an internet connection to install

[@sidewind131258]

We are 27 nations, not states in one nation, but seperate nations, how the h*ll do you think that will happen ? 🤣🤣

[@meatballgaming935]

@@sidewind131258 the eu is forcing apple to use usb-c for all phones sold in the eu so

[@ObliteAbyss]

@@sidewind131258 The same way anything the EU does happens? The same way the apple USB-C charging port is going to happen? (in other words - By working together, like the EU has done for DECADES.)

[@jafstraycat]

With the 22H2 update, this workaround was broken. If you kill the Network Flow it will just tell you the internet crashed and restart it and circles back to the same position. INSTEAD, from the command prompt, type *OOBE\BYPASSNRO* and hit Enter. It will appear to start the entire startup process over. But, this time when you Shift+F10, it will go directly into Local Account setup.

[@chrisr1679]

Yo u are awesome ty for this!

[@beginerracing5272]

Still works as of 12/6/22. Thank you, community! Shame on you, Microsoft.

[@chrisr1679]

@Linden Reaper ive tried using linux and i had it for a year or so. It just wasnt for me, not very user friendly. Sorry but windows is just much easier.

[@ThaFuzzwood]

@@michaelmounteney2034 Well problem with that is that windows is mainstream and not limited to nerds.

[@jimmythepowerful]

@@michaelmounteney2034 Linux is 💩💩💩🤮🤮🤮

[@ydenneki]

Those scenarios mentioned at about 4:30 actually happen a LOT in outback regions of Australia, where the only access to internet is via sattelite or low bandwidth adsl connection (where the exchange can be 30km away ... or more)

[@MercedesMan]

That UK prison internet. Literally

[@Mike504]

Dear Microsoft: give us the option to purchase your software and then leave us alone, or to be free with ads. Don't force us to have to work around your nonsense.

[@thereddog223]

I agree

[@martinmavroforakiss6024]

@Clash Stats That means we as users should be totally fine with having every bit of our information down to our home location be sold without our permission simply for Microsoft's own benefit? I think not.

[@xcbrr50]

they dont want perpetual license, they want *perpetual* periodical charges with strings attatched

[@Mad-Lad-Chad]

@Clash Stats You're arguing semantics. Most people know that they are getting a license to use the software, and even more would know full well that they are not buying the rights to the software itself. Regardless, the point of the comment you responded to still stands. If we buy the license, give us an option for no ads. If we don't wanna pay, give us a free option with ads. We shouldn't have to deal with this crap.

[@tboneforreal]

Companies are all about recurring revenue now. They no longer want to sell you something once and be done. They want that monthly/yearly subscription or ad revenue.

[@93gamrx]

Being a former computer tech I always raised concerns when windows 8, 8.1 & 10 made it difficult to use without a MSA. It's sad to say but I just don't think they're going to listen without a legal organization drawing a line in the sand and yanking MS's head out of that same sand to see the line drawn.

[@captaingreenhat]

if you've ever seen the TV chuck that was the final season plot. Basically dude had a cia/nsa mk ultra program installed to his brain that made him instantly good at everything. then the final season a "bill gates" type person made a "2.0" version of the system but gave out a free os to everyone in the world in order to collect all the data everywhere so he could "take over the world"

[@thomasjones6232]

The only way to make 'em honest is using an honest OS.....Linux for example. Don't install spyware (Windows) and you wont have spyware on your system (Windows.)

[@93gamrx]

@@thomasjones6232 I just turn all their shit off or remove it altogether, sorry but I hate Linux.

[@rohitk8797]

EU and USA are more worried about forcing USB C on iPhones.

[@93gamrx]

@@rohitk8797 i'm okay with that. Honestly to me that is just as bad as a forced registered user account for any personal pc. Just wish they would target all predatory behavior by tech businesses.

[@Mustard1987]

On update 22H2 as at today... instructions are slightly different. After ending the task as at 7:25...go back into command prompt and enter the command: OOBE\BYPASSNRO The system will reboot and this time you will get the option to continue without internet connection

[@snowdjagha]

Did this and it worked. Thank you!

[@datoni4150]

Yep. Worked. This comment should be pinned.

[@anxious5195]

W mans

[@iplyrunescape305]

All this shit.. just do Linux..

[@codyanderson7409]

If you hold shift and press F10 at the spot where you select your Wi-Fi, it will bring up the command prompt, type OOBE\BYPASSNRO when you click enter the computer will restart, when you get back to the same place it should have a "I don't have internet" Option beside the NEXT Button.😉 This should work for everyone at the moment unless they patch it. Though assuming they'll let you type the \ key because I had that problem, but I figured a way around that and can't remember how🤔 hopefully not a problem for y'all. P.S I'm the unfortunate soul that don't have internet at the house so I had to get creative

[@LoredMarilius]

Heck yeah man! In just used this. Worked like a charm. Thank you!

[@yixuanche6443]

OMG Thank you SOOOO much!!!

[@TheGohthecrow]

Jayztwocents needs to pin this or make a follow up video so the community can bash Microsoft for this.

[@seanclark8452]

@JayzTwoCents please pin this; the task close method is already blocked but this one worked with an install made the 2nd week of Dec '22 (leaving a date for folks watching this video later)

[@thumppa]

Thanks mate, this got me through today. For the record, the keyboard is still default to UK and the backslash is achieved by holding down the ALT key to the LEFT of the spacebar and type 92 (i.e. left ALT+92).

[@arbogli]

Remember those times where you installed your Windows and then simply needed to tune it at your own taste instead of having to turn off and walk like on a minefield to avoid all the crap Microsoft wants for you?

[@justinpatterson5291]

Pepperidge farms remembers.

[@SamTheEnglishTeacher]

30 year anniversary of the song "Remember the Time" by Michael Jackson (pbuh) - also around the same time ago that software designers started using dark patterns. Synchronicity?

[@Roxor128]

That was Windows 7 for me. Closest I get to Windows now is a VM for using an old scanner, or for wasting scammers' time in safety.

[@rkadi6540]

I love win 7 more than the successor, time passed so fast

[@brmh1667]

Vaguely....

[@PulsarTECH]

Glad that some big YT channels actually bring it up. I think there should be more videos like this. Honestly, it gets ridiculous because now you can't even use an alarm clock app without creating an account! And poping up messeges on a full screen telling you that they ARE collecting cookies isn't any better than just collecting them without you knowing.

[@Dennzer1]

Free Alarm Clock 4.0.1 doesn't need any weird crap in order to DL and then use. And I have used shutupwindows and winaerotweaker and ev3rything so there is no way that even if that program wants data, it aint getting any. But in its native state, I dont see that it has any mechanism for collecting data anyways, but I could be wrong...

[@josefish5193]

Dennzer1 Just switch to Linux mint already

[@Dennzer1]

@@josefish5193 Yeah, probably.

[@PulsarTECH]

@@josefish5193 I agree Mint is awesome

[@RachelRhiarti]

Great video, and disturbing-but-reassuring to know I'm not imagining the number of times my suggestions have mysteriously adjusted to fit a verbal conversation I had away from my computer. What a marvellous dystopia we've built for ourselves...

[@dive2drive314]

Yup. Most of us have all consented to in some form, even if we didn't realize we were. I refuse to own a smartphone and my friends can't understand why. But.. they also mention how creepy it is that they get ads about something they simply mentioned to their girlfriend or wife when the phone was near by. I guess people like to talk about it, but they just don't care.

[@punter1]

ikr do u know if a reset to factory settings and then starting again would work????

[@sophiatrocentraisin]

@@dive2drive314 Friendly reminder that any "consent" short of explicit opt-in consent is not consent. Well, at least on a moral standpoint and for any matter concerning the GDPR. On another note, custom roms for smartphones are very useful for this very purpose (LineageOS is a good starting point), even if it requires some tweaking to make sure it works entirely

[@holdencolfield6676]

it's ironic how they twisted the concept "free" to become the catalyst for our imprisonment. might as well redefine "freedom" to mean online advertising.

[@JackieLombardi]

We didn't build it for ourselves, the 1% built it for the 99%

[@failingdisciple938]

Great job! I am sick of this surveillance nightmare we live in. Subbed!!

[@raven4k998]

then why keep using windows instead of linux?🤣

[@raven4k998]

@@dreaper2087 Linux is good enough for most things now and if everyone went Linux that would only force Microsoft to accept, they are royal fuckup and to fix windows to get us all back even though at that point they would be royally fucked cause if people switch, they won't just switch back because that is such a pain in the ass

[@danquaylesitsspeltpotatoe8307]

Or buy the same computer locally and cheaper!

[@punter1]

yeah it hit a nerve do u think re setting to factory settings would eliminate the issue, after knowing what I know now...anyone??

[@raven4k998]

@@punter1 fuck factory settings install Linux for the win🤣

[@FatalVayln]

If you do the setup with ethernet plugged in until the "Let's add your Microsoft account", unplug ethernet, and hit the back arrow on the add account screen, it then prompts you to create a local account.

[@AT4makeTANKgoBOOM]

Thanks for the tip, that worked for me! 🙀🙀🙀

[@alexmalinowski5477]

Great trick, saves me from Microsoft’s nonsense :)

[@mikep9418]

That's how I did it on the last few builds I installed Windows 11 on. I'm still on Windows 10 for my personal PC's.

[@adrianbrown947]

I was about to comment about this method. I used to work in the RMA department at an SI and have been using this trick since Win10.

[@c.m.7037]

The problem is, if you want to use MS Office it makes you sign in because it's subscription based, which in turn signs in Windows 11...

[@mattjohnson8585]

I'm so sick of companies trying to keep their products after I shell out good money to buy them for myself. I'm done with all the always-on bullshit, these account tracking things (I've seen the same sudden pop-up of ads you mentioned several times), etc. Not buying any more, and going to jail-break everything I possibly can. If it dies in the process, then I'll go back to living without it. Because the alternative of just handing them more power pisses me off to no end.

[@22oreos]

I suggest using Linux, it sounds great for you. My advice would be to get a second drive to dual boot Windows and Linux (although some distros like Pop!_OS don't work nicely with dual-booting, distros like Linux Mint do) or get a second/old computer to try out Linux first to see if you like it. You may not like it at first, as getting used to it can take time, but it's really cool doing away with the ads/tracking shenanigans, even if you go with one of the more corporate distributions like Ubuntu.

[@alenasenie6928]

Just use linux, you pay 0, you get the privacy you want, it is easier to get programs, you really own it even when it is free, no ads and only a few programs that are considered standard (even when they aren't) don't work, change ms office for only office, there are many options to replace photoshop, and they work in linux flawlessly or with minor bugs like not catching the dark mode or things like that, if you are really sick of them, well, you can actually have a system that does what you want

[@alenasenie6928]

@@22oreos if the more profit oriented distros ever put ads they will get a massive exodus, so, doing your best interests are in their best interest. We are currently seen how ubuntu is having that problem for letting down the gamer market.

[@jasongalloway4645]

@@22oreos Amen! Even gaming (a pain point for a long time on Linux) is pretty good these days. Earlier this year Microsoft refused to activate Windows on a new build so I kicked Windows to the curb whole heatedly. I've been using Linux for several years now but kept a Windows install around for gaming. I still run into the occasional issue, but sorting them out is normally just a case of a little googling.

[@prydzen]

@@alenasenie6928 Linux is not a gaurentee of privacy. Every major browser has telemetry on by default, on linux as well. Ubuntu once tried to put ads in their start menu which is a major telemetry concern. So even linux distros and major software like browser can have telemetry in them. And if you are gaming you can bet there is a lot of telemetry on your computer even while not running the game because of launchers and whatnot.

[@kataseiko]

You can actually make this "your account is locked" part much faster. I have a Microsoft account that I have locked out (not on purpose at the time, but Microsoft refuses to re-activate it).. It works well for making local accounts as I only have to put in the address and it'll give me the local account option.

[@kataseiko]

@D Reaper Sure, but what AAA games company will optimize their games for Zorin? Many tax institutions will actively discourage you from using any type of Linux. Officially "for security reasons", in reality (allegedly) because of corruption and incompetence.

[@juss-passin-thru]

@D Reaper nope

[@Evangelionism]

@dreaper5813 Can Linux run Cubase, Dimension Pro 1.5, NieR Automata, Digital Performer, Kontakt 4, IK Multimedia, Serato, Genshin, and all of my Adobe roms and software?

[@Azarilh]

@D Reaper As a Linux user: no.

[@Azarilh]

@@Evangelionism So you use Windows only because you are forced to because of the apps? ( It's absolutely fair! Not your fault. ) This doesn't make Windows a good OS, it makes it a monopoly. And if we all keep using Windows, we'll never break free from this monopoly. More people have to start using Linux as their preferred OS. Everyone that doesn't need Windows, or people that are fine with dual boot, should use Linux. For a better future, for everyone. For me, for you, for everybody else. No one earns from Microsoft's dominance. Linux for the win.

[@aperson9847]

I was so pissed when I was setting up my new laptop and saw they'd tried to force the Microsoft account, so much that I straight up might have returned the thing if there was no way around it. I genuinely hate it here lol, I had the same experience where I was just TALKING to someone about where to eat one evening and then literally minutes later opened youtube and was getting ads for restaurants. This needs to be illegal somehow but the companies behind it are way too powerful for any politician to be willing to stand up to them.

[@jeffkardosjr.3825]

They tried trust busting Microsoft in the 90s for way less.

[@MrHowardPhillips]

As a security contractor who regularly builds systems that should never have Internet access (isolated NVRs and physical access control systems) this will be quite helpful. Sharing it among all my fellow engineers. Thanks.

[@ChristopherGray00]

or just use linux which solves the core problem which is microsoft always being keen on removing control from the user.

[@user-tp5yb4hr4w]

and linux is also much cheaper to put together and it's made leaps and bounds in how it operates through out the years. in the past i would never go to linux because it was far too complicated to figure out unless you know that stuff well enough, nowadays it's pretty streamlined to the point where anyone could figure it out with little to no issue.

[@ferocius7644]

Also take this alternative: Shift + F10, then type the following command: netsh wlan disconnect It will straight up disconnect the wireless device and you will be asked to create the local account

[@Herbert2892]

And if you press ctrl+w right now in the browser your windows will disable any unoutorized access to internet

[@user-tp5yb4hr4w]

@@Herbert2892 lol

[@92kosta]

*There is a third way, the easiest way.* (works on the Pro edition, doesn't work on the Home edition) On the screen where you are being asked to choose "How would you like to set up this device?" you are given two options. Most people, since they are installing Windows on a consumer device, are going to go with the option to "Set up for personal use". That will bring up a screen asking you for the Microsoft Account credentials. But, by choosing the option to "Set up for work or school" and then choosing "Sign-in options" on the next screen you are now presented with the option to join a domain. Choose that one. It doesn't matter if the device you're installing Windows on doesn't belong to a corporate domain, it will work regardless. And, voila, the Microsoft Account is bypassed! *Like this comment so other people can see it.*

[@sm1ofakind]

Thumbs up

[@hexadroid6884]

Most consumers will have home edition though. And when you try to upgrade from home to pro, it also doesn't work.

[@ediopop2]

thats how i made my local account

[@thefamily730]

Thanks

[@angumech13]

What's the difference seen in Home vs Work/School account?

[@Erika-Check_my_profile]

Can we just take a moment to appreciate the fact that this guy gave us 15 minutes of solid information, and how much work he must have put into this video (e.g. the self-made clips)? Also I got windows 11 from *thekey365*

[@SaraMorgan-ym6ue]

Jays two cents welcome to our video here buy this crap🤣

[@lokibau]

also im a spam-bot

[@SaraMorgan-ym6ue]

@@lokibau Hello Spam Bot How are you today? what is Pie divided by Q?

[@lokibau]

@@SaraMorgan-ym6ue yes

[@Warlance001]

Oh I fully intend to remain on windows 10 until eol, and with Valve's work on Proton, and similar, I'll be using Linux most likely after win10 eol, unless microsoft stops trying to overstep, but I doubt it. Thankfully I'm already familiarizing myself with Linux beyond using it as a troubleshooting tool or for modifying windows when I'm "not allowed" to do something with my own PC lol

[@System-zu7np]

As someone who made that switch a few years ago, life is good on the other side!

[@jeffreytong]

Linux just needs HDR support :(.

[@milkyway5573]

Windows 10 also has spyware

[@RavenVargas27]

@@milkyway5573 Did not know that thanks

[@lguthrie8607]

I still use Windows 7. Microsoft still releases security updates every now and then because I get the 'Update and shut down' prompts every now and then.

[@DeaconXPS]

Preach it Jay!! As a Windows user, since the early DOS boot days, I can verify your statements with certainty. Until we the consumer speak up and stand firm it will only get worse, eroding our autonomy. Appreciate your voice.

[@MechThumbs]

The only way to do that is to hurt their bottom line. Because now, even if you say stop, Microsoft still makes money off you. They literally have us by the throat. You have to make that tough decision and move away from Microsoft.

[@classicrockonly]

The problem is those who are savvy are a small minority. Those who will do something about it are an even smaller minority. MS doesn’t care about our protest, because if those who protested went away, they’d still be making huge profit margins

[@AB-cg9np]

@@classicrockonly the problem is that this so called “minority” does not really bring much money in as they tend to be a bit more techy savy so they will shop around or find works arounds. Unfortunately a majority of that small group (I know… hehehe) can’t afford too much anyway so they overall don’t matter to Microsoft. As long as most of us click “Yes Yes, £50”, the minority will never have any impact. Sad but true.

[@TheYdyp]

@@classicrockonly Sadly the truth here, just look at how many Apple Iphone users there are vs the android phones. Though a lot of android phones are tracking all your stuff as well these days. And the saddest part is that a lot of people even fully embrace this, just because one account ease of use and everything they have is centralized and synced over all their devices. However there are a few laws here in the EU at least (GDPR recent example) that try to tackle at least privacy concerns, but they are sadly pretty hard to enforce as long as there are geographical locations these do not apply to. As going after them is nearly impossible and blocking the internet never goes well. As an example for instance there is a part of the that GDPR is the annoying popup for cookie usage on websites, which also according to the GDPR need an easy option to disable all of the cookies and it should even be defaulted to disabled. But how many sites follow that? They just make that popup as annoying as possible to agitate people in the hope they will speak up against these laws.

[@Mr.Morden]

3:36 The problem is the law. In the US we conflate free-market economics with anarcho-capitalism, so we let the corporations do anything at all no matter the consequences. Simultaneously these "free-market economics" proponents champion trade with non-free markets where it's literally illegal for labor to be organized and forced work is perfectly legal. Don't even get me started on the environmental impacts. I just want to leave you with the knowledge that your grandparents and great grandparents didn't put up with garbage like this back in the 50s and 60s when labor was valued.

[@xnvaznx]

I would definitely like to see more privacy based videos like this whether it is Microsoft or Google

[@wallacesousuke1433]

@dreaper5813 sadly Linux isnt even close to a replacement for Windows unless you like to waste time and only wants to browse the web or use it as a server or use it for other nerd stuff, doesnt game or use essential software for work

[@wallacesousuke1433]

@dreaper5813 not the exact same experience as installing Linux in order to play games... The Steam Deck obviously has full support from Valve, on your PC you're on your own, banging the head against the wall to solve issues, dependencies and other annoying workarounds (and pray your components are fully supported by Linux). And you're not really safe from being spied on, CPUs have backdoors so.. unless you use PC offline or build your own chips, good luck with that (and I hope you dont use cell phones, smarTVs with Alexa/etc, smart home stuff, yadda yadda)

[@Starfleetcommand03]

​@Wallace Sousuke Dang I wasted a lot of time learning old computers, bios, file directories, commands, cpu architecture, etc. Bruh correct Linux is bare bones and isn't ease of access. That's the point just don't use it for those applications

[@Starfleetcommand03]

​@@wallacesousuke1433 And yeah, gaming is scuffed on Linux from what I heard, but I've been learning about cool shit on the side! Don't let us computer wolves decide your choice

[@seabassdarapper]

​@D Reaper can you at least admit that Linux requires more technical knowledge to install and operate?

[@ayjanu]

The more predatory that Microsoft becomes, just makes me even more glad that I switched to Linux when I did (around the time of the Windows 8 era). I'd finally found a distro that I was happy with, that ticked all my boxes (Manjaro Linux), and I've never looked back since; eight years and counting.

[@System-zu7np]

​@@deveneleven400most distros are fine assuming you want to use seam proton and lutris. Mint is a good enough choice and you can always change your mind later.

[@cyberguy2025]

I know I am a year late, but yes I love Linux, I am using endeavor os with qtile, and love it.

[@Chaosfred]

At 9:30 When connected to internet, I usually instead got the "Skip this step (for later)" button on bottom part. This button maybe not displayed and will only show up when you hover over the hit area. On the other hand, it seems this also dependant on your installation disk type. You know, like company/educational version, "complete" version (for entertainment AND work), "standalone" version, clean lite, OS only, etc.

[@Chaosfred]

@D Reaper "But, I can not play X games or run Y programs on Linux". Even in the video is already said the reason Linux is not solution is due to Linux has its own problems. Might as well run Steam OS here.

[@chubbysumo2230]

as of 22h2 update, there is no option to skip on home or pro windows 11 versions without the ShiftF10.

[@lemonludes9860]

Thanks dude that's what I did too

[@punter1]

@@lemonludes9860 it worked?

[@trippy8516]

@@dreaper2087 still just as corruptible just as vulnerable as any OS

[@NightcoreChase]

Thank you for this, I’m going to download the ISO on a USB because I only run local accounts, was waiting for a fix so I’m comfortable to upgrade to 11 now :)

[@user_of_the_name]

Actually (unless Microsoft has changed something since I upgraded) if you're on Windows 10 with a local account, Microsoft doesn't ask you for a Microsoft account when upgrading.

[@NightcoreChase]

@@user_of_the_namewell I can’t even confirm this until Tuesday cause I’m in closed beta for a game but if someone else can confirm that be awesome !

[@ReivecS]

Unless you have alderlake, what is the reason to move to 11? I literally have seen no feature or change that would improve my experience and give me any interest in "upgrading".

[@NightcoreChase]

@@ReivecS not sure really, I’m on amd 3900x , something fresh I guess?

[@WildWolfMax]

@@ReivecS maybe because people just wanna upgrade, for me it looks better visually and I have less issues with it than windows 10.

[@DoctorX17]

Personally I’m not interested in 11 at all, but this is good to know. I really do think this is the stupidest thing, and the issue of some folks living in places without internet is definitely a legit concern for some. Hopefully the law will eventually fix this…

[@Zeriel00]

Don't worry in a few months/years Win10 will stop being supported by the CPU manufacturers. These corporations don't need our consent.

[@DoctorX17]

@@Zeriel00 well, whenever 10 isn’t supported, Linux is my go-to. Also not perfect, but better with the right distro. And if it gets worse from there… I quit, taking my old gaming machines to northern Canada with a solar array and living off grid

[@lolalex556]

fedora linux is the way to go until then they need some real competition for them to stop this crap and linux gaming is starting to come online with the steam decks release

[@vincent67239]

Other than the privacy-invading stuff (which you can bypass, as indicated in the video), unless you have a mission-critical use case like work or creative stuff, I really don’t see any reason not to upgrade to the latest OS. And I’m speaking as someone who’s used Arch Linux as their primary OS for like a decade. I have Win 11 Pro on my gaming PC.

[@jimtekkit]

Windows 10 was originally a disaster when it first came out, but given some time things get resolved and circumventing Microsoft's traps becomes easier. In due course it'll be a decent operating system.

[@bobecks66]

Easiest way is get to the msft login screen and do shift f10, type ipconfig/release. Then just press back and you can make local account :)

[@NightWink129]

Your authenticity just earned you a subscriber. Thank you for the info and for bringing your personality into this.

[@BrownMInc]

It's kinda crazy that Jay needs to explain the reality that a good portion of the world's population don't have as great infrastructure like NA/Europe does. It's not just the extremely poor, some places really just have shitty infrastructure.

[@Oll1000]

Maybe move to a city then and stop being a rural yokel? At least that seems to be the position large tech companies are taking. And since most people live in cities, enough people aren't suffering to actually change anything.

[@josephsanders8921]

Even in the USA there are places that don't have internet or not enough infrastructure to support over "X" number of users. I had to wait almost 2 years for the local IP to upgrade to support more users.

[@TricksterRad]

I mean, no internet/not having the infrastructure isn't really the reason to not make a MS Account anyways.

[@international_hippie]

Lived in the Philippines for 3 years... in bulacan Sapang palay (very non tourist) but 95% of people had no access to internet in their homes. And all relied on internet cafes to do something as simple as send an email.

[@jan-lukas]

Ever gone to Germany

[@ciphernemo]

Yup, good video! For Windows 10 I run my own PowerShell script to remove/disable telemetry during my deployments for work (MDT still works great). For Windows 11, we're going to have even less control over disabling telemetry through what's provided by Microsoft and will have to resort to community-provided fixes and workarounds. And that changes at every damn build of both Win 10 and 11, just like you stated. Microsoft is in the business of big data, not end-user software as that's just a tool to collect the data.

[@Miv51miv51]

Try using O&O's shutup10 - has a lot of the things you need to quiet down Win10. Dont know if they have one for Win11, as I havent upgraded myself.

[@KenJackson_US]

Have you posted your powershell script anywhere?

[@KenJackson_US]

Me, @@Jtzkb? I write lots and lots of shell scripts, but very little to do with Windows, and nothing to do with optimization like this.

[@thomasjones6232]

Removing telemetry removes nothing. There are deep forensic subsystems that keep track of everything. The only way to get rid of the telemetry and deeper aspects of data collection is to remove Windows entirely and use a different OS. Linux or Unix based.

[@awilson2385]

@@thomasjones6232 Oh, yes. The Linux nuclear option. Every time someone works on a fix for a Windows issue the "just use Linux" crowd comes crawling out of the basement like roaches. Not everyone likes Linux, not everyone wants Linux. Linux has its own problems and it's a bigger pain in the ass than Windows for the average user. The data mining is an issue, but Windows works far better in far more scenarios than Linux ever will. There are hundreds of Linux distros. The very first step is a pain in the ass-picking one. "Just use Linux". That phrase is now as annoying as the snot nosed cousin at every family gathering who wants to know "Got any games on your phone?". Same answer, though. "No. Now GTF away from me."

[@Dale-wg5ys]

I tried what Cody Anderson recommended. Didn't work for me. I did what Jay said to do about the fake account and it worked for my sons computer. Thanks to you Jay, I will be putting my fisrt system together by myself. Keep up the great work!!!!!

[@nicholaussevigny3679]

Thanks for the advice I'm in the prosses of updateing to a new build and don't know much on how win11 works. This is exactly the info I needed before install.

[@ZeorGaming]

If you install Windows 11 Pro, you can also choose to Domain Join the computer during the first time setup, then it will let you make a local account without actually needing to join a Domain.

[@user-jm8sy5ox2j]

You still have to pay a significant price premium for windows pro over home edition for the privilege of not being forced to connect to a Microsoft account for installation. It's a total scam that nobody should have to deal with

[@user-jm8sy5ox2j]

@Al 6r they will never force a Microsoft account on all systems. Large businesses would never consider signing on an enterprise Microsoft account on every system when that Microsoft account cannot be easily detached from the individual computer. Businesses are the main source of Microsoft revenue so they're never going to do something to drive away businesses

[@AutoCannonSaysHi]

"It's a pro only feature." Still a problem

[@Pandaalifter]

@@user-jm8sy5ox2j You actually don’t **need** Pro to make a local domain account, but it’s an obscure workaround that’ll probably eventually be patched with what Al 6r is talking about. For now though on Home edition, you can input the address of one of their test MS accounts like d@d.d and then a random incorrect password. After that you’ll get an error code and it’ll ask you if you want to make an offline local account. I’ve done it a dozen times over the past couple months.

[@darranrowe174]

@Al 6r Where did they say they would get rid of offline account setup on Pro versions? Pro is used quite regularly in smaller businesses without domains. So doing this would be more destructive than you can imagine. There is also the issue where editions like Enterprise, Education and Pro for Workstations are virtual editions based upon Pro.

[@nerdbit84]

Great video, it’s unbelievable the level of audacity these companies possess in order to breach privacy.

[@iamajustababa2000s]

@@candysgames323 it is not true there can't listen to you by microphone till now don't know about future

[@Puzzoozoo]

@@candysgames323 Nope, I'm in the UK and my medical records are protected by law, I do not use internet banking, my address is in public access, I rarely shop on-line, and I don't have vocal devices.

[@michaelrichardson5505]

I mean technically we are using and usually pirating their property. (Not that i support or agree with microsoft in any way)

[@l337pwnage]

Well, you're buying from a company that literally stole their main product from someone else, so, ethics is clearly not a thing for them.

[@tedkaczynskiamericanhero3916]

@@Puzzoozoo Medical records are protected in the US as well. Too bad these companies have bought and paid for all of our legislators and will do whatever they want, and pay a small fine here and there. Do you think a company that's pulling billions per quarter, gives a shit about a couple million in fines every couple of years?

[@Ivan989v]

Wow, it took you thirteen minutes to present solution that could be explained in less than one minute. That takes a special kind of talent. Thank you for the info.

[@Rosahonung]

Thats probably why the guy sitting next to me at work started to get a bunch of vacuum cleaner ads on his phone immediately after i moved and needed a new one! Was talking about getting one and then he showed me an add for the exact one i was looking at on hes phone, they just started showing up from us talking with our phones on the table!

[@zagaroth1070]

I work for an IT company that configures and installs new systems for multiple different companies. When we found out a few months ago that Windows 11 was going to require a Microsoft account we were all like "WTF?" I still can't believe Microsoft is pushing this crap, especially with Windows 11 pro\ent.

[@sihilius]

I can't believe, that there is no backlash from big corporations on all of those issues. But maybe there are some deals involved. Who knows.

[@incandescentwithrage]

Many organisations use AzureAD & Autopilot. The computer is joined to the company at the moment it's purchased. It gets shipped direct to the end user, they log in with their (work) credentials and all the required apps & settings are deployed automatically. No need for an MS account with that method. No need for the services you currently perform either, unfortunately.

[@prydzen]

enterprise will have the options to turn off telemetry and online accounts. Its just the pro version that will be locked like home version.

[@Dboyle1209]

As a sys admin, we deploy devices joined to active directory. No MS accounts required.

[@SSubZero]

The Pro version currently allows a local account, and I'd hope at "multiple different *companies*" you're not using the Home version. I'm sure you're using unattend.xml, the OOBE can skip past even asking about an MS account. There's been some rumors about them making Pro require an MS account, not sure how far that will get.

[@infasis]

I really hope Valve makes some big progress on Proton with all the renewed interest and incentive for other parties have to help now. Windows has been going downhill for so many years and I really just want freeing myself to be as painless as possible.

[@scottdpugnificent]

If they only do 2.5 O.S. generations like usual it would suck

[@ChristopherGray00]

they have, EAC and battleye are compatible with proton now, it's easy for the game devs to enable it, pretty much 85% of the steam library is playable with proton now.

[@infasis]

@@ChristopherGray00 Unfortunately, I play a lot of games that have issues. Many I can get working with tips from ProtonDB users, but still many not. (Sadly, many devs/publishers won't change regardless of how easy it is. Just look at things like all the people begging for things like Elden Ring ultrawide support. Sizable userbases get ignored all the time.)

[@colbyboucher6391]

It's at the point where it alllmost makes me want to just get a Series X and install Linux on a little laptop. Almost.

[@soulhax]

"Windows has been going downhill for so many years" - subjective opinion. For me Win 11 has been the best and most enjoyable after win xp and 7.

[@alk555]

Wish I had run into this a week or so ago. I had to get a new computer and needed to be online to download a Linux distro before reformatting and setting up an OS that I actually wanted to use. To get there I had to go through the furiously infuriating process of both using an online MSFT account and CREATING one before actually using the damned computer. Hideous.

[@gpenn7201]

@@dreaper2087 yeah if your a nerd with a tiny baby pc

[@gpenn7201]

@@dreaper2087 i control women not computers

[@Azarilh]

@@dreaper2087 Ye, Windows is garbage, but a lot of us are forced to use it. Happy for you that you can stick to Linux.

[@Azarilh]

@@dreaper2087 You are not convincing people to switch to Linux with that attitude, just a kind advice.

[@Azarilh]

@@gpenn7201 Cringe

[@jcurry3school]

Lookin at my desktop without all of the bloatware is beautiful.

[@darrens3494]

Thank you! We all need to do this. This video should definitely get more likes and shares. I'm absolutely one of those that HATES these data grabbing idiots

[@111YTt111]

they are, obviously

[@nicholaskigen]

This is quality content. IM staying on Windows 10 for as long as possible. Kudos to the people who keep figuring out how to stick it to the man

[@arnox4554]

I'm running Windows 8.1 Professional on my main workhorse desktop until it finally becomes no longer viable to do so, then switching to my already existing MX Linux install for good. 8.1 may very probably be the last Windows version I'll ever consider running (along with all the older versions of course).

[@davidjones5059]

Win 10 LTSC supported till 2029

[@arnox4554]

@@davidjones5059 Just like how Windows 7 was fully supported during its lifecy-, oh wait, no it wasn't. >_> Microsoft will find some way to try to blockade use of Windows 10 on newer hardware sometime in the future just like they did with 7 and 8.1.

[@ZackSNetwork]

@@arnox4554 Why Windows 8 it’s dated in 2022?

[@-opus]

@@arnox4554 I 'upgraded' to windows 10 from 8.1 only last week (free legitimate 'upgrade'), so that I could get DirectX 12. With classic shell installed it really isn't that bad, no obvious improvements over win 8.1 noticed so far though, with only some minor new flaws. The linux devs need to work together to create something worthwhile in my opinion. I use manjaro on my HTPC and would love to use it as a daily driver, but it still seems unlikely. (I tried out more than a dozen different distros including MX before choosing manjaro).

[@michouko69]

Hi good vid. What if you start with your Microsoft account at fresh install, then the first thing you do is to create a local account as admin account. You log into your local account, then delete the Microsoft one.

[@awaisnawaz2791]

Man I sooo agree with what you said but believe me, my friend just added ubuntu in a dual boot setup and bitlocker just locked his windows drive up. At that time the only place where we could find the key was in microsoft account.

[@Azarilh]

Flippin bitlocker...

[@Azarilh]

Mmh well, if he would use Ubuntu as primary OS, and use Windows only for specific tasks, then even if Microsoft would spy on him, they wouldn't get much data i guess.

[@forgotn42]

11:43 There's also a huge difference between a creator generating a bit of revenue in order to keep creating content and a multi-billion dollar corporation selling your information to increase quarterly profits. Microsoft could have none of its ad bullshit and still be making obscene amounts of money, while a content creator not running ads could be the difference between getting to create content and not.

[@sihilius]

Yeah, and also Jay won't take a look through your camera, save your browser history and your files on his server and stream your audio. Also he won't annoy you with suggesting you using a half functional search engine on a otherwise decent browser that's only actually useful for gathering even more data about you.

[@JourG215]

You realize almost all tech companies do this. Google is the one that made the trend popular. And for people who have never worked in development... We don't always track certain things for enjoyment or profit but because certain features require that information. For example, KZbin always had a recommendation for you how do they know what you like? OMG they "track watch you're watching". I still can't believe Jay made this video I thought he was smart.

[@blackmarszero6528]

@@JourG215 I get your point but also it's a bad defence because it creates an asymmetry in information which allows you to abuse people. I recommend you watch Last Week Tonight's episode on data brokers, with the stunt at the end imagen if he was targeting children, then remember companies are already.

[@tonivazquez1081]

​@@JourG215 Really? Are you defending this terminal stage anarcho capitalist corporation paradise, human rigths be damned? Really, take a good look at yourself. U may not like the result.

[@JourG215]

@@blackmarszero6528 Point is, the privacy debate is very nuanced. Any attempt to collect data we have to collect to provide a service to begin with is referred to as "spying". Not one person looks at individual data, a lot of the data is encrypted. What I'm getting at, is that ignorance about how things work show when you make statements like Jay just did. He clearly has no idea what he's talking about. Also, why not apply the same outrage at every other app/website/service/os you use? We all know MSFT did some shady shit many many many years ago but they have since just become a default target to hate. Which is morronic.

[@fluffyfloof9267]

10:05 What Jay references here is called a "dark pattern" - it's a thing, look it up - those usually (miss-)use UI / user interface styling (i.e. YOUR personal perception) to make you do things that are in the interest of the company - not necessarily your personal interests. There's even a bunch of books about this topic.

[@flameshana9]

Why is it legal to use deceptive terms to a layman?

[@fluffyfloof9267]

@@flameshana9 * Mr. Krabs voice * MONEY!

[@blahorgaslisk7763]

I try to make it a habit to actually read WTF I'm enabling or disabling just to avoid double negative use of options. A few times I've caught something that sure looks like an attempt to trick the user but I can't remember any in particular. But it's been something like "Disable user tailored advertisement protection? Y/N". The immediate reaction is to disable the spyware adverts, but then you see protection after and everything is turned upside-down. So I try to read it, but some times there's just to much and I automatically just disables everything. Yep, stupid I know...

[@SamTheEnglishTeacher]

​@@flameshana9 the law hasn't caught up yet. In other contexts it is illegal to deceive customers - but we haven't felt the need to legislate UI components, until now-ish. Then again, who is the customer in this scenario...

[@Zeriel00]

@@SamTheEnglishTeacher Oh sweet summer child, who do you think finances the politicians who sign the laws? or the think tanks that write them? Why do you think laws are now 10,000 pages long and nobody can read all of it before signing it?

[@ultramega8792]

Updated my Bios on my Aurus X570 Elite Wi-Fi MB , i went from Version F2 To F35. What a Boost that Made after I reset the XMP Profile again. Renaming the Right, File after the download was the key, I never could get it to Work When I put by PC Together. Thanks For Teaching Jay...

[@wolfie1001]

I bought an acer predator prebuild, it came with a lot of preinstalled bloatware and there was one acer program that made a popup ad appear on my desktop for some crappy game, it behaved like a notification and appeared on top of whatever i had open, i was furious, it even made a loud notification system noise, absolutely disgusting, luckily you can uninstall the program but still, it was gross, i still feel mad thinking about it

[@lucasrossiemc]

I just had this problem yesterday when installing an SSD in a co-worker's personal laptop. While installing Win10 in the SSD I made the mistake of connecting to Wi-Fi and then it required an MS account and wouldn't allow creating a local account, there was absolutely no way to skip it (I suppose I could've disabled Wi-Fi and that would've been it). I logged in with my account, did what I had to do, then created a local account and deleted my MS account - which worked, but it is definitely not cool. I did confirm my user folder was successfully deleted, so I hope that was the end of it.

[@BradleyGibbs]

Yeah, the way to go then would have been to disable wifi after the updates had completed

[@Lanka0Kera]

You should go check what your microsoft account says online. Because it just might list the machine still under your account. I know that from having to check something online and finding I had more PCs/serial keys listed under my account than I should have..

[@lucasrossiemc]

@@Lanka0Kera Good idea, thanks!

[@TheKeyboardDemon]

Fastest way to task manager is to hold shift and ctrl then tap the esc key.

[@BradleyGibbs]

@@TheKeyboardDemon that usually doesn't work in an OBEE environment.

[@mikesunboxing]

Jay (and readers) you can press Ctrl-Shift-F3 at the first run wizard to get into the Admin account and install drivers and updates. Then the computer can be delivered to the end user ready for them to enter their own account details. It is called audit mode FYI

[@MrHeHim]

I just posted about Shift + F10 to bring up the CMD window where you put in "oobe\bypassnro" to skip the account page to make a local account

[@mikep9418]

The last time I installed Windows 11, I just unplugged the internet and selected back, then it set up as a local account. That was a few months ago so I don't know if they've changed it since then.

[@cmgm6027]

@@mikep9418 Still works like that, but that doesn't get you youtube views I guess.

[@mifan2321]

Have a local account on my laptop. But was receiving KZbin recommendations based on the discussions I had at home! People called me paranoid. But after I turned off the microphone in Device Manager, it stopped. Unfortunately I have to use ZOOM meetings for job, and I turn the microphone for them, then I sometimes get KZbin recommendations based on what I said during the meetings.

[@alexapuerta]

Curious if you tried turning off KZbin personalized ads then see what happened after using your mic again.

[@Jonathan-hf7pq]

These tricks to get around the account have been super helpful in my IT job. Thanks!

[@Jonathan-hf7pq]

@Linden Reaper the fake email works fit the sask manager does not. I used the fake email today.

[@whskyhamr]

To tie into the ad conversation, I have a crazy story. I was talking to a coworker about a product, in a roundabout way without ever saying the name and he did the same, just chatting for about 5 minutes. Not a minute later do I go to open Amazon and the product was on the front page. The exact one. How it extrapolates data to pull that from nondirect information is INSANE.

[@makatron]

Gaming is the sole reason I still have a windows computer, I'd be full Linux if I could run games and the Adobe suite all in one place.

[@banescar]

Linux gaming is really big now thanks to the Steam Deck!

[@aqmohra4]

Same. Use windows for pirated games and software like Adobe

[@Voltaic_Fire]

You can game on Linux though.

[@miikasuominen3845]

Yeah. Single player games, mostly, work OK on Linux today. Sadly, multiplayer, is a different thing... I hope it's going to change in the future.

[@byron_00]

I respect that decision, but I've been gaming on Linux for 20 years just fine for the most part.

[@baptistafamily7652]

You can also click sign in options and then select "Domain Join" and it will skip asking for a Microsoft Account

[@epkostaring]

I already got used to seeing ads for stuff that was talked about. But recently I got an ad for something I only THOUGHT about. Like immediately whitin 5 minutes, after I started my computer. And it was such a niche topic that it was way beyond any chances of random ad targeting luck.

[@alanjasinski9878]

Had this same issue a month ago. Glad someone finally came out with a solution. way to go JAY Z!

[@jaboydillpickles133]

you have one of the most real and truthful tech channels i've seen on KZbin and i like that you give the same energy as channels like Mental Outlaw. you care about your viewers and give great tips, guides, and news to us all.

[@qwarts4617]

I mean the vacume cleaner thing sounded like bs, no backing up evidence, he is just kinda says it but wont even provide proof or name the phone??

[@Tynach]

@@qwarts4617 I've seen a number of people objectively test this. KZbin won't let me post links, though.

[@67hutch]

^^

[@imaginary6014]

guess im not the only one here who watches mental outlaw - sent from arch linux

[@JJAB91]

Nice Dross pfp

[@jamie8602]

Thank You!! This was something that really aggravated me.

[@GH-ov1lj]

Any chance of an updated version of this for win 10's persistent message about 'finish setting up your pc" and neverending attempts to track your every activity and move?

[@alexapuerta]

1) Settings > System > Notifications & actions: uncheck "Suggest ways I can finish setting up my device...." 2) Look up PCMag "Still On Windows 10? How to Remove the Most Annoying Ads"

[@JikoMuskato]

You know, I really love those practical videos that are not just about hardware but about what users can do - just like this helps me a lot. As well as the Fan Control video - great!

[@Dboyle1209]

As a sys admin, one of the reasons network is checked/verified prior to account creation is to see if the device is present within any organizations Azure AD and Intune (MEM). If so, Autopilot can be used to provision the device to a company MDM, install apps, hybrid join to local AD, etc. Its an easy way to have an IT department order a laptop ahipped directly to a users home, as opposed to having IT image the machine in house.

[@ajmalstanikzai4066]

I was installing it on the laptop just now and i click Fn+Wireless and moved to Airplane mode. It installed flawlessly.

[@serenahansen2394]

Another issue with them assuming you must have an internet connection for setup is that when I built my system there were actually no network drivers installed so I wouldn't have been able to easily connect during this stage of setup anyway. I had to use the bypass command prompt to get the old option of "I don't have internet" and successfully made a local account.

[@gammaray152]

We need a video where Jay talks about Linuxs own share of problems. the comment section of that video will be fun.

[@TheShawMustGoOn]

@@eepy_catgirl Wayland and Nvidia *coughs*

[@bishopofeternity48]

@@TheShawMustGoOn didn't nvidia recently change that by open sourcing their drivers?

[@Druiduk1973]

@@bishopofeternity48 - Only for the new cards.

[@bishopofeternity48]

@@Druiduk1973 baby steps

[@SeabooUsMultimedia]

On the education and enterprise versions there is an option to bypass the Microsoft account requirement and just login locally it's called connecting to a domain and the funny thing is you actually don't have to connect to a domain. You can just leave it as a local account forever. Unfortunately Microsoft doesn't sell those versions to the public the most sold to corporate and colleges.

[@ThePlayerOfGames]

Surely you can just download the ISO of these versions or purchase OEM editions of them? If not… Linux

[@OriginalMergatroid]

The option is also there in Win 11 Pro.

[@OriginalMergatroid]

@@ThePlayerOfGames If you have Pro it's not an issue.

[@dionelfring1705]

There is another way by opening command prompt(shift + f10) and type oobe\bypassnro and then it'll reboot and then you have a option to create an local account

[@dionelfring1705]

@@dreaper2087 Well I used to work at a computer store and thats not so long ago that I left and then it still worked.

[@dionelfring1705]

@@dreaper2087 fortunately thats only your opinion and not mine :)

[@M1_159]

2023 Update - type OOBE\BYPASSNRO instead of taskmgr (Letter O not the number 0)

[@forsakensrb]

Thanks for this man, appreciate it!

[@oblake88]

What I do is connect to the network, then you get to the screen where you have to create an account. Unplug the ethernet cable, restart the PC. Now when you get back to the setup, there will be an option to create an offline account. Do that, plug back in the ethernet cable, job done :)

[@rustypotatoes]

I'm an employee at a custom pc building shop and we've been killing the task since it came out, I really hope they dont change it, it would suck if we had to put in fake information, and users, or us have to change it later

[@cat_not.on_Nip]

Okay question, given that you are now a local account user, but lets say you need/want to download an app (or even Switch to windows 11 from the S mode version) from the windows store, would connecting to it defeat the whole perpose of doing that entire process just to get a local user account or it wouldn't affect it at all?

[@jeskoumm]

“Hey Siri, what’s Windows 11…. _windows 11 are small window panes for outdoor installations, like shacks, where you stockpile salt for snowfall in your home at Texas_ ….ok, thanks Siri”

[@skelekiankurata713]

I'm interested in hearing about the sets of problems in Linux. Can you do a video on that?

[@unfa00]

As a full-time Linux user I'd love to hear that as well :D I've recently upgraded my GPU from RX580 to RX6800XT and Linux just worked after reboot. I installed an extra AMD driver for raytracing (vulkan-amdgpu-pro) and I could play Quake II RTX without even rebooting. On Windows I spent 30 minutes updating drivers and rebooting like 3 times before I could do the same thing. Sometimes things are easier on Linux. Sometimes they are not. Hibernation likes to stop working from time to time. Though Windows crashes when I suspend it, so I have to hibernate it instead. BTW: I have Windows only because Adobe won't let me activate Substance Painter on Linux with a CC subscription, and I need that for work. I could get a one-time license on Steam and use that, but my employer already got me a CC license. At least I can compare how things work between Linux and Windows I guess.

[@dylon4906]

@@unfa00 didn't expect to see you here but that's awesome, i remember I was genuinely dumbfounded when I first installed manjaro and my graphics drivers just worked out of the box. I was so used to having to install them manually it really threw me a loop

[@GiblixStudio]

i'd like to hear that as well. since i'm not experiencing any major issues

[@awilson2385]

Start with picking one of the, literally, hundreds of Linux distros.. Then one of the desktop UIs.

[@lukewalker1051]

Thanks Jay for being honest and the voice of the consumer.

[@OlviMasta77]

*the customer

[@MyCleverName]

JayzTwoCents....Not the hero we wanted, but the hero we needed. Thank you sooooo much for this. I'm old and set in my ways, and while "I don't have anything to hide" it still not anyone's business.

[@OlviMasta77]

​@@dreaper5813show me how to game on ubuntu and I might

[@TheShugoBR]

paused at 4:24 here, to say, there is a way to prepare a system even if you dont have the microsoft account, you press ctrl+shift+f3 after boot windows on that screen where it asks you the country, the account you want to use and stuff, and will restart in audit mode with the local administrator account to let you pre-install all the software, drivers and stuff, and when you finish, you use sysprep.exe (that will auto open everytime you reboots in that mode) to prepare and shutdown the machine, so when the real owner of the machine first turns it on, will ask for their credentials and they can do the process of a new out-of-the-box machine as if you had bought from dell or anything. i do that if i need to prepare a machine for a friend.

[@_Alex_F]

Quality content as usual. Even if it may look as a trivial thing this is just the kind of answers people look for. Either you're a crazy overclocker or a casual user, this channel has got you covered. Also, good guy Jay is always looking out for us not to be swindled by big tech companies. Cheers to you guys!

[@dysnXO]

Could you make a video about how to disable these if someone already installed win11 and skipped this parts

[@robertdaone]

The have been doing it with Windows 10 also. Every file you save to your computer, all your online activates are uploaded to MS.

[@lilbitretro6377]

I can say that the first workaround has been in place since the release of Win11. Used to work in a computer repair shop and, when it came out, our lead techs scoured through forums and the system settings/command prompt/task manager to find workarounds, and within a week of release, we had mainstreamed this process. It's incredibly effective and saves massive headaches.

[@smartassist9700]

What if I need MS OFFICE.

[@OriginalMergatroid]

You don't need a work-around in the Pro version. You can still install with a local account.

[@OriginalMergatroid]

@@smartassist9700 Use an older version. Or just let Office log into a MS account while you use a local account in Windows. I have set up lots of Windows PCs this way.

[@Digikidthevoiceofreason]

@@OriginalMergatroid Not true. I have the pro version and it gave me the exact same BS as shown in this video. I had to do this trick.

[@lilbitretro6377]

@@smartassist9700 Sadly I'm not aware of any methods to circumvent the need for an account for MS Office. At that point, I'd recommend Libre Office or Google Docs, however there may be some compatibility issues when sending docs to MS Office users, plus there may be other features that you'd need. You might be able to find a cracked copy of Office, though this may cause issues when Windows tries to update the program (which it will inevitably force an update because MS doesn't care about your wants).

[@olivemartini0011]

This is NUTS! when I built my system just a few months ago with Windows 11, there was actually a No Internet option and I was able to follow the old video to the letter. It’s wild that Microsoft made it harder to do in just that short amount of time

[@blacklight683]

"Say no to spy" French spy in the base:(*screams while disappearing*)

[@NOPEnameTV_Miau]

Thank you very much for making this video! In my opinion it's not so much about this specific "trick" but more about the general message: Microsoft (and others) are collecting as much data as possible - people need to be aware of that!

[@8bitbasslines312]

The sad reality is most people don't realise the power of this kind of data and don't seem to care. Big upz Jay you are the Man!

[@kane480]

11:10 my cousin and I were driving to a restaurant and we were talking about how your phone listens to your conversations and serves you ads, she picked up her phone and yelled "BIG BAGS OF MONEY!" at it as a joke, we get to the restaurant, she checks her phone for something and there were ads for bags of fake cash and coins. That shit takes less than 5 minutes and it happens on iPhones and Android phones

[@Mr_Joe_B_619]

10:06 Funny thing, they have done this. When Having an Radeon GPU and Windows keeps replacing the drivers with something else through winupdate. Going into the Group Policy to turn off the include driver software with update, you have to enable the stopping of doing that. It's crazy, but I don't remember the exact wording, but it was like double talk.

[@theunborn9993]

Thank you I work for a pawnshop and with lockdown on the cloud being a must this help to ensure original user data has been wiped off the pcs so we could ensure no user. data gets abused.

[@JoloNavarro]

Thank you for this!! And glad that big YT channels bought this up! I am forced to use my Microsoft account since it didn’t give me an option to create a local account. Microsoft should have this as an option as well and not being forced to and digging through various menus just to create one.

[@lii1Il]

So glad you feel the same way about corporate privacy intrusion!!! TY!

[@dale8995]

As of the ISO available in November 2022, the Network Connection Flow fix from this video does not work for Windows 11 Pro. What does still work is the following: Continue through the install, but at the user entry screen press Shift+F10, type "oobe\bypassnro" without spaces or quotes, then before Windows finishes the restart, unplug the ethernet cable. (Sorry if duplicate post.)

[@dale8995]

@D Reaper I would agree. Except that many (most?) applications are written to work only on Windows. Until that changes I am stuck

[@grege7814]

this worked for me on a new acer laptop. it required shift fn F10 for cmd prompt

[@2Truth4Liberty]

It did something similar on Windows 10 and puts you in a loop - i.e., kill the screen and it reinitiates the same screen. So you have to kill the window and the parent window quickly. It was faster than I could click the X on both windows so had to use Alt-F4 Alt-F4 is close sequence.

[@cats824]

This is why developers should focus efforts on Linux so it can be a viable replacement.

[@sebastiaanstoffels7565]

It already is a viable replacement :)

[@dirg3music]

I work in pro audio and as much as I like the experience of Linux Mint/Cinnamon, it's completely unusable if you use any amount of 3rd party plugins, and running shit through WINE adds so much latency that its again unusable. So I'm pretty much stuck on Windows because of this because I'm not gonna give my money to Apple. They spy on you just as much but with even less control over your devices. Its a damn shame really.

[@Frozen_Death_Knight]

@@sebastiaanstoffels7565 Not if you actually have to do specific work like working with Adobe products, dealing with audio productions, etc. Besides Blender there are zero programs that I use on a daily basis that are properly supported natively on Linux. Hopefully that will change with stuff like Proton translating over Windows applications to run properly on Linux, but it will likely take years before the tech is mature enough to be a reliable replacement for running everything on a Windows installed computer.

[@masskiller9206]

@@Frozen_Death_Knight virtualbox

[@longdang2681]

The easiest way to increase Linux adoption is to have a friend help you install/configure it. Most home/office user use the same software over and over. I've installed Linux for the non tech savvy and some are none the wiser. Sure the windows look a bit different but surfing the web is still the same. Linux is more secure than windows, but software compatibility means it won't be for everyone. I believe setting up a Linux community to include local 'Linux helpers' is what would improve Linux adoption. Schools extra activities would make an ideal place to perform Linux projects, but then schools are already overburdened. IMO Microsoft has lost the plot since windows 7, people are just waiting on the support for the alternatives to materialise.

[@networkgeekstuff9090]

In the past I was about to start commenting in favor of linux for freedom or such. But today I predict that all these "software as a service" schemes will naturally push more and more people to linux since it is becoming a problem that majority of commercial software is slowly transitioning to this "service" schemes either by spying on you, serving ads or monthly subscriptions. Linux will remain the only island where traditional "install and use forever" software will remain. Maybe with less features or clunky as linux can be, but still last way of keeping control over your PC and data.

[@OrinSorinson]

And thanks to Valve, that might happen sooner.

[@juzujuzu4555]

Linux is like avalanche, once enough people jump on it then it will start to get more support, get better even faster, and thus the avalanche effect. Proprietary software companies like Microsoft have done active trashing of Linux for a long time, and thus the myth of toxic Linux community prevails. When it's one of the best communities out there, as every single new user benefits the whole community and thus people are really helpful. Obviously in any group of millions of people there are the rotten apples, but the amount of those people is tiny AF and irrelevant.

[@awakeandwatching953]

valve has kinda of thrown their hat in the ring with their linux based steam os.. gabe has said before hes concerned of Microsofts control of the pc OS market.. people are incredibly naïve if they think the spying is/will be limited to advertising.. i guarantee you that there is already a quasi social credit score system in operation behind the scenes.. its only a matter of time before Microsoft join the rest of big tech in censorship and de-platforming

[@networkgeekstuff9090]

​@@awakeandwatching953 Don't assume conspiracy where incompetence, laziness or corporate greed provides a better explanation ;). Just like when I start talking about kids topics close to my phone I will soon get ads for baby cradles, I would more expect that Russians are simply buying from google and Microsoft some sketchy ad keywords using credit card online (e.g. no shady deals in car garage in middle of the night) and then serve you ads for extreme left and extreme right sites in order to spread polarization in society where social unity is detrimental to their plans. Hidden "credit" score system would require competent people, and and as such unlikely ;) Besides, we already have a working social credit score system in a form of every HR department checking your social media profile before interview to check if you are not a complete jackass posting drunk pictures with pants down every weekend or talking nonsense about microchips in vaccines in posts. Good enough. EDIT: Yeah, your "quasi social credit score" system triggered my anti-conspiracy button here.

[@STONE69_]

@@anonym34566 it depends if you use a rolling distro or a stable distro, such as Mint, Debian, Ubunto, the stable one are a must for a new user.

[@AJSax0n]

Even with just a local account it's still tracking you. Would take pre-install and post install edits to stop this as well as varuous other tools like adblockers, tracker blockers, etc.

[@Fiffelito]

@@dreaper2087 I've heard this since about roughly -92/93. Still to this day, 30 years later linux have still not adapted fully the PC gaming market. When the day comes when you can run games on native linux without wrappers or emulators that's when the switch to Linux happends, until then.... There's windows xp for older games and win 7 for newer games. There is no point with getting win 8/10/11 from a gaming standpoint as since 2 years ago Blizzard accidently leaked the code to run dx11 on a dx9 system.

[@Fiffelito]

@@dreaper2087 Heh, I'll let go of the "old thinking" when I'm proven wrong. And yes that happends, but when it comes to Linux.... I've been waiting 30+ YEARS to be proven wrong. I don't care if the game isn't linux MARKETED, infact when you do go and check some measurements on which OS is used for GAMING i.e. steam surveys you find that as of this year 1.44% of the users use some form of linux with a +.16%, but guess what back in 2015 that number was 4.something% so less people are using it for GAMING purposes. As for DX12, show me a DX12 only game worth playing. When it comes to WINE, I have a lot of linux friends that flat out refuses to use it since they claim "it's not real linux" and "that's garbage", their words not mine.

[@Fiffelito]

@D Reaper Yeah, yeah, yeah, but guess what? That "old thinking" still proves right to this day, 30 years later. And the linux people still speak of it as "just you wait". How long are we supposed to wait? I don't fancy Elden Ring, sorry. I'm not feeling I'm missing out on anything. But again, Nvidia slapped on some code into their game ready drivers that let win 7 users run world of warcraft with dx12, that code got spread. So dx12 exclusivity isn't 'exclusive' any more, as I stated in the first reply. And no I didn't make it up, they are hardcore ride or die linux people, although they compared to you seem to know the limitations of Linux. But hey, let's wait another 30 years and see how things will go shall we?

[@Fiffelito]

@D Reaper On the store page of Elden ring it makes no mention of it having support on neither Linux/Proton nor Steam deck. Are we supposed to gamble when we're buying games if we can run them or not? But the store page also says "Denuvo" and that's a hard pass, doesn't matter how good a game is or not. Also let's not kid ourselves here, Proton contains WINE. Which means Steam Deck runs WINE. Proton v1 released about 3½ years ago with just a handful of "supported games", now it's 7000+, the number might sound high at first but how much of those are early access garbage? How many of those are RPG maker crap games? How many of those are asset flips? At the moment Steam has 50.3k games (arguably 90%+ is just garbage from the ones I mentioned). And you also missed the point of DX12 wrapper on win 7. What is valves actual linux stance on linux? "it's the future" they say, have been said since 2015. Yet on the store pages it doesn't show up. Also, I tend to agree with my linux nerd friends here, when you are required to run either Proton or WINE to run an app/game it's not really native. I can run android apps on my computer - I "just" need to run bluestacks. If linux was so great why is the market share still below 2%? (currently around 1.38%/1.4%) - And that's WITH steamdeck (up from 1.16% peak to 1.38% since release of the steamdeck). (source gamingonlinux). The "great" for gaming is highly highly debatable, the numbers doesn't back it up, the early adopters haven't changed the landscape. Valves own store doesn't push linux eventhough they've been saying (atleast officially) that linux is the future. You may mock MS all you want but MS DOS 6.22 and Windows 7 is arguably two of the best OS out there for GAMING, (ofc depending on the age of the game). See my point here? Getting tiresome to have the same argument every other year with linux "fanboys", I've had the same kind of arguments since -92. The only answer I have is "let's just see where the future takes us" and here we are 30 years later and linux has surely taken steps to become better but it's nowhere near the promised land everyone (including you) so firmly believe in. So let's come back to this in let's say 5 or 10 years and see if anything has happened. And wth does "sl" and "av3" mean?

[@laurosilvestrejr.106]

Hi Jason, I'm writing this comment in the future 6 months to be exact. I tried the shift f10 in a pre-built Lenovo yoga 6 with Windows 11 and all it would do is ask me about the display but I washed another user who mentioned pressing function shift and f10 and now the command prompt comes up for me. So for anybody that reads this comment, if you tried shift f10 you need to hold the function key shift and f10 and it should work. It work for me on a pre-built Lenovo yoga. 6.

[@junstar]

Awesome work around. One thing I noticed when I fresh installed Windows 11 on a new laptop was that it completely skipped the MS account login screen when it didn’t recognize any network drivers installed. So it was a similar situation as ending that task.

[@joshcee3362]

I just had to look this up the other day. I'm like you: I hate tying my OS to an online account, especially for my primary admin account! Thank you for sharing this with the world so others have a reliable source to do this! Doing God's work, as always, Jay!

[@_ryju_]

Definitely this video helps! Every time you or other prominent youtubers present this problem with the current service models, it raises awareness. You can spread the word effectively to many more people than say I can by talking to my friends, one at a time. Kudos!

[@_ryju_]

@@dreaper2087 That's exactly what we need as Microsoft releases more spywares in the form of operating systems.

[@_ryju_]

@@dreaper2087 Microsoft removing support for 32-bit operating systems actually helped in that regard. Linux is made for the people, by the people; whereas Windows is made by Microsoft for maintaining their financial report's bottom line.

[@_ryju_]

@@dreaper2087 That must have been a fun project to set up! I should also use my old Acer laptop to run as a static IP personal server. I think the decision to drop 32 bit support was basically to appease Microsoft's OEM partners, into forcing users to buy new hardware. All the while claiming that they are apparently spending money to control e-waste.

[@_ryju_]

@@dreaper2087 That sounds like the business model from the computer shop is something that is impressive and I only wish that people were more aware about their options when purchasing a new computer. I understand the issue with raising awareness, since OEMs have almost no marketing budget to promote used PCs. So any advertisement is usually through word of mouth in this age of internet commerce. This is why I really hope the online stores do not completely obliterate walk-in stores where I can talk to an actual human (not an AI generated script being read by a call center employee) when I ask for my purchasing options. I myself bought old Thinkpads from Ebay, formatted them, installed Arch btw ;) and use one of them (a P51) as my main work and entertainment PC. That is how I gained familiarity with somevery basic server-side concepts. Most people can even use 7-8 year old PCs for a long time to come, considering their use cases. And I believe that slowly, but surely, people are considering other options as the hardware prices for both DIY and prebuilts are skyrocketing.

[@dockeydidit]

What steps should you take when your activation key is linked with your MS Account? So I logged in for setup, activated and updated then switched to Local Account and logged out. Is that enough or should I take further steps? I refuse to log in to Edge also.

[@evhunter0962]

My house is in a rural area next to a fairly fast road, so people crash into the telephone poles quite often (about 2-3 times a year) and I met with my cousin and he had windows 11 and I found it so strange how they had to be connected to the Internet just to load their account already on the drive. Its just unnecessary

[@iamajustababa2000s]

You can use windows 11 without Internet

[@Ethorbit]

@@iamajustababa2000s Well if they require you to have internet to install it, who's to say that they won't go one step further in the future?

[@avader5]

Jay one of the most popular videos that we like to see here in Silicon Valley is how to declutter Windows after it is installed and get rid of all the crap that we really don't need I don't know whether you've done one like that recently but if you haven't that would be good to know for Windows 10 and 11 how to get rid of all the Superfluous software.

[@Nobody_114]

Thank you so much for making this video Jay. We learn so many tricks from you. You're the best😀❤