Don't Make Fun of Your Prepper Friends! *The Last Of Us* Episode 3

[@FourDozenEggs]

Honestly, Bill and Frank probably led the best lives out of anyone in the post-outbreak era. They got to live mostly in peace with one big battle, they got to grow old and then die peacefully next to each other.

[@imapimp212]

But in the game Frank always hated Bill and would rather commit suicide than to spend another day next to him

[@vanzeee464]

@@imapimp212 i mean thats not relevant rn with the great way the shows goin’

[@imapimp212]

@@vanzeee464 why change it tho, I mean I gotta agree the acting was great but why even focus an hour on two people who don’t even make an impact later in the story??

[@Nihilanth]

@@imapimp212 the question is: if the story's good, then why not?

[@imapimp212]

@@Nihilanth that’s true! But it’s also gonna make a lot of people mad, my question is why change something when the last of us won best storyteller of the year, the story was already perfect

[@wwemmeL]

As a massive fan of the game, I can say this episode deviated a LOT from how this stuff worked in the game. That being said this absolutely broke me and I'm glad they did it like this. The way it was in the game would not have necessarily worked in the medium of a tv series and the whole backstory with Bill and Frank would not have made sense in the game. Simply amazing.

[@gigireads1716]

Yes! I couldn’t agree more!

[@jakebcroy4560]

I’m just glad that they took the scene from the game and elaborated it. Instead of finding frank having hung himself and bill saying “he was my partner”. You get to see their relationship and evolve with it and it makes that scene even more sad.

[@DaisyDen]

100% agree, I personally love that they slightly change things so that I also have something new to experience as someone who’s played the game.

[@Nomadic813]

In this world death is never far away. And in reality the same thing applies. We hide death away and never speak of it, but death lies on all of our doorsteps. This series is all about reaffirming that we, in spite and because of the death and horror visited upon us, must seek out our own humanity through connection with each other. Their death was always going to happen so we shouldn't be sad that it happened, but how they lived should make us happy for them.

[@ChibiHoshiDragon]

The Game story could have worked on TV IF Joel was the same. He is NOT! Game Joel cared a little. Show Joel Does NOT Game Joel was not the tough one. Tess was. He said: I am the romantic type to Tess. Malik is all tough and confronts Joel and is told to sit back down by Tess. When Tess tells him to take Ellie she says: There's enough here that you have to feel some sort of obligation to me. This all says Joel in the game still cares a little. So in the game it makes sense that he needs, narratively speaking, a "warning" of what can happen if you shut yourself off completely. Game Bill is that warning because Game Joel has NOT shut himself off completely. The Show's Joel doesn't Care. He is the one Robert fears. He is the one who is numb towards kids. Tess knew he didn't care for her; she says: I never asked you for anything, not to feel the way I felt. A Game Bill wouldn't make sense because Show Joel is ALREADY at that stage. A "warning" is too late. What Show Joel needs is an example or two of other paths he can take from where he already is. An example that despite being the curmudgeon, he can learn to love again.

[@abcdefghi2749]

It's not a waste. They have supplies, food, weapons and a car now. They can come back after joel takes ellie to the fireflies to cure the fungi cordyceps virus and find Joel's last remaining connection in the world with his brother, Tommy. They have a mission to see through. You know, the whole reason behind the show...

[@idontwantyourcookiesc3276]

technically still a waste, but they have things they need to do and there are still other good places to be that we have seen after this episode

[@nonagrey3422]

"I was never afraid before you showed up" is basically saying why have fear when you have nothing to lose. Now that he has him he has something to lose thus a reason to be afraid IMO.

[@RandalReid]

You win some, you lose some

[@maybachyard]

I felt the same when I had my first kid. The fear you get when you love something more than yourself is unparalleled.

[@thelonercoder5816]

@@maybachyard fear of what? of what?!

[@alastor3609]

They died with no regrets and they were satisfied with the life they had together, so they were ready to die then and there. Beautiful. Just enough to make a grown man cry

[@Artfulcas]

It’s not what happened in the canon game. But I honestly enjoyed this more. This may be one of the most beautiful episodes of television I think I’ve seen in maybe the last 5-7 years if not something for my own person list of greatest hits. It’s not what happened in the game but the thing is, this isn’t the game, it’s a television adaption which means you should expect changes. The reason why most adaptions of games sucks because most changes made are stupid or feel extremely unnecessary and make for a worse story or cheapen the source material of the og. This episode did none of those things. They changed what they did in ways that worked and honestly made the story better. I’m so impressed, I’m so happy on-- multiple levels, not just as someone who played and loved the game for what it was but as someone who specifically relates to aspects of what they chose to change. I don’t know what to say other than this was beautiful. I know not everyone is going to be happy because that’s just human nature and you cannot please everyone. But I don’t think anyone can deny if you’re capable of divorcing the game from the show and enjoying both for what they are, there is no denying hbo did something gorgeous and BRAVE in more ways than one with this episode.

[@vampyre_with_a_suntan]

Judging by the reactions all over the place - whether its Facebook, Twitter, the general Review-sphere and whatever else - it's really heartening to see that people are aware just how rare an episode like this is -- they come around maybe once every 5+ years or so. If that.

[@testfire3000]

This is one of the most fantastic episodes of an amazing series. What a treat!

[@thedarkknight2221]

Tragically today Annie Wershing who played Tess in the game passed away at 45 due to cancer. So when they showed the flashback with Tess and Joel I cried. Rest In Peace Annie, we will never forget you. As for the episode itself, Neil Druckman said in the BTS video after the episode that he and Craig Mazin had this philosophy on the show was “when should we deviate and when should we come back, if it’s kinda the same or worse then they stay (completely faithful to the game), if it’s better we deviate”. I’m SO DAMN HAPPY THEY DEVIATED! I cried like once every 15 minutes this episode. This is one of the most beautiful and most emotionally powerful episodes of tv I’ve ever seen. The whole episode looked and felt like a movie that I guarantee would be on every critic’s shortlist for best picture at the Oscars. And I’m so happy that it ended with them dying together instead of Bill just forever living alone like in the game. And again Rest In Peace Annie Wershing.❤❤

[@DariusFrench6273]

This was the episode that that broke me. Two middle aged men growing old, finding purpose again in a world so divided and ill-advised on tearing itself apart and actually being able to die in peace as everything crumbles around them. A tsunami of tears left me by then. Is it wrong that I cried at this and not at Sarah and Tess’ death despite how emotional both were?

[@Otchoe]

I was pretty much sobbing ngl

[@vanzeee464]

Same

[@Dustyphoto915]

If Sarah’s death didn’t get you, the. The show failed. They are shifting all the important emotional moments that defined important characters, for a story of love that didn’t exist in the game. Kinda lame.

[@tiktaco4391]

@@Dustyphoto915 Are you actually stupid? Do you actually believe something failed if EVERYBODY doesnt feel the exact same thing when watching it? Thank god its not idiots like you making the show. You sound lame as fuck, but go ahead and keep crying its pretty entertaining seeing all the vidyagamers shitting their pants over this.

[@randallrichmond]

@@Dustyphoto915 it was in the game bill was gay in the game

[@LMarti13]

I've literally never seen anyone not cry during this episode how is this possible

[@Saphthings]

Or at least not like... react at all... and then at the end discussion, "Oh you're still thinking about Bill and Frank?"... .... like... who wouldn't be...

[@SpenceJS87]

@@Saphthings Homophobes.

[@jhornacek]

@@SpenceJS87 I just watched another reactor post a reaction to this episode just this week, and maybe it's just a coincidence, but her video removed any indication that Bill and Frank are gay and in a romantic relationship - any of their kisses, the first bed scene, any mention of them sleeping in the same bed, them getting married. If you haven't played the game or watched the series already and watched her reaction video, you might think that Bill and Frank were just good friends or two straight guys who lived together.

[@GeorgeEugeneBarrett]

@@SpenceJS87- your ilk are literally the true fascists. You demand everyone have the same thoughts and emotions as yourself or else they must be “bigots.” Be a better person than you are now.

[@hxpnxs]

This was absolutely the opposite of depressing to me !! I wish I could live such a happy life (apocalypse be damned) and die in the arms of someone I love, calmly and on my own terms. Truly beautiful.

[@roop94]

This episode destroyed me, bruh..everybody needs *SOMEBODY* in order to survive. To live with a purpose. All you need is love lol (😂😭😭😭😭)

[@damiandamn]

No

[@nikdik154]

@@damiandamn yes

[@xl081]

If you a grown man crying for g@y love in a show with characters you just net that episode seek counseling. ( this episode destroyed me 😢😢 dont be a 🐱)🤨😅

[@roop94]

@@xl081 no need to be negative, bro. We’re all just tryna live life the best way we know how. Tears are not indicative of how mentally strong or weak we are. And good storytelling is meant to evoke emotion. Either way though, I just think it was well done. Hope you have a great day, sir

[@xl081]

@Robert it can be a emotional scene but it shouldn't have you crying or tearing up. 💯

[@hotmonkeyfilms]

"Survival Is Insufficient." -Station Eleven / Star Trek Voyager S6E2. You need companionship, and joy and beauty and purpose. Great episode to expand the game universe and relationship.

[@jq8913]

Felt like they were able to use Bill and Franka backstory to really give Joel and the audience more emphasis on why he will start to care for Ellie. If they just showed up with no backstory, the letter from Bill to Joel would have no meaning to us as viewers. Now we know they've met over 10 years prior so when Joel reads the letter it really shows us why he'll start to really take protecting Ellie much more seriously.

[@blueskybelyr]

It's crazy that this ep is the first time I full on cried watching the show, considering all the stuff that's happened. Especially since Bill and Frank were among VERY few people who lived happy lives in this world. It was just such a beautiful story.

[@HoopleHeadUSA]

Ron Swanson got me 🥺 Beautiful episode, great expansion of the story

[@ItheauthorityI]

I definitely think what they did in the show accomplishes the same purpose of Bill as in the game, they are just vastly different in execution. In the game, Bill is a negative influence to Joel's growth and a sort of cautionary tale ending in a miserable ending for his partner, whereas in the show he is a positive influence with a happier ending.

[@BroPaulSyrel]

So emotional when Bill and Frank having their final day in dinner

[@Gachimon2000]

Damn. I was expecting this episode to have massive action scenes but we got something even better. This episode was so beautiful and heartbreaking 😭

[@HumanTypewriter]

If you think Joel and Ellie should have stayed then you clearly don't understand why they are moving in the first place so please figure that part out, secondly they did loot everything in the house, Joel even told Ellie to go get the cans in the back and he was packing up Guns and various electronics they could use

[@LauraGS564]

Didn't Joel literally say he has to go to his brother? Like how can one not understand something as simple as that?

[@RomyLyanne]

Although I’m sad that this means we missed the parts of the game where Ellie and Bill interacted, I think this was a beautiful way to show the opposite of what happened to Joel during the outbreak. Joel went from a caring father to almost caring about nothing and Bill the other way around. It made the tear up a lot because I didn’t expect to see a love story like this in the adaptation of the first game. Loved it, already excited for the next episode!!

[@phrophannus]

Bill and Frank to me are my favorite series couple, maybe because we didn't see much of their lives beyond some minutes during a span of 20 years, but what we got in their acting made me fall in love with their story and made me happy they got to be together for the rest of their lifes. It deviated a lot from the game, but since we learn about their lives through letters and gameplay dialogue I rather have this beautiful story we got.

[@degov5]

Even though the episode is sad, the story is actually beautiful. Bill and Frank both survived to old age, with each other and died comfortably on their own terms. In terms of the apocalypse, and many situations in general, they got as good of an ending as possible.

[@leeo1893]

A lot of people complaining because it wasn’t a straight apocalyptic romance story like the “normal” series/movies.

[@rogerzhang5993]

Episode 1-2: “It’s so cliche I want something new” Episode 3: “It’s so out there I want a zombie show”

[@Rlogsdon100]

I think MOST of the people wouldn't have liked a straight romance story either lol

[@theooo8789]

I loved this ep more than I can possibly care to explain... Like, I too started out finding it a little depressing but then I have realized that the story of Bill & Frank was actually a very beautiful love story with a happy ending, for they thrived and found love, purpose and fulfillment, which is more than you can expect from a post apocalyptic world. In the game Bill's sexuality is given away by a box of G Magazines found in his car. I loved how the show runners expanded their plot. Very emotional, compelling, and human! ❤

[@phrophannus]

Frank runs away and kills himself after being bitten by a bunch of runners, you can find his body and a letter saying he rather die than stay one more day with Bill. I am glad we got this instead.

[@ll-ft4iv]

This is a good episode to find out who played the game and who pretended to play the game, people complaing about them making Bill gay clearly haven't played it😂

[@blakefletcher8052]

How do you pretend to play a 12 hour game lol

[@attoboi9763]

i didnt think this was depressing at all, it was beautiful, a beautiful 20 year relationship with "your purpose". They lived well too. I couldnt ask for a better life

[@BudhagRizzo]

"He gonna make a friend?" Oh, more than a friend.

[@bvgg833]

best friends?

[@runninginharran]

This was one of the most beautiful love stories I've watched in a very long time💖 The writers/directors/producers did an excellent job.

[@kedardeshpande2330]

In the game Bill's partner is only mentioned and in the end we comes to know that they had a falling apart when Joel finds Bill's partner body hanging... Things turned out to be pretty ugly in the game than in real life adaptation.

[@ChristophTheTerrible]

Yeah the show is going the hopeful route in a bleak world. While the game when with a bleak route in an even bleaker world. The game had death everywhere, hate and bitterness towards others with pockets of genuine love and trust, that get taken away. In the game it's supposed to wear you down as you play.

[@andrewnguyen4022]

Bill and Frank's story really touched me. In the real world, same sex marriage wouldn't be legal in Massachusetts until 2004. Here, the world fell apart in 2003, before any of that could happen for these two. Seeing as they met in middle-ish age in the mid-2000s, they were around to witness the AIDS crisis just a couple decades earlier, and likely lost friends during that period. Survival for people like them was never guaranteed in the "normal world", so for them to survive another epidemic, find love, and build a home in the ruins of a devastated community is a perfect example of "winning" the apocalypse.

[@khosKarm]

THAT SHIT WAS SO GOOD

[@jasonaugustine3370]

This is about as happy as the show gets At least they had a relatively long life together and went out on their own terms I don’t think you can ask for more than that during an apocalypse 👍🏻

[@kratosGOW]

The fact that Frank said that his condition didn’t have a cure even before the apocalypse makes me think he has Lou Gehrig’s disease. You know, like Stephen Hawking.

[@DSe7en]

In the game, Frank and Bill had a falling out, Frank leaves and ends up dying, leaving bill alone. Thats when Joel and Ellie meet him

[@veronievicky]

why did they have a falling out

[@DSe7en]

@@veronievicky Basically Frank wanted more from life than just surviving. For Bill the goal was survival

[@eyaya123]

that was so beautiful 😭

[@martinmillar7137]

What an episide.. sooooo different from the game... but i really think it was perfection... i wouldn't changed this at all now having seen it..its sets up the rest of the show.. it sets up everything actually.

[@michelleedler3414]

Everyone loves me and my flock of chickens right now 😜. I'm guessing my canning might come in handy at some point too.

[@86leewis]

I remember having to push that truck, while getting swamped by infected and clickers. I remember a gymnasium too,

[@daurydavis3983]

The gym is probably gonna be in the next episode

[@GamiCross]

Seeing the way Frank's condition was being reflecred in the decline of artwork quality killed me... Alzheimers is FAR scarier to me than fungus zombies

[@caronstout354]

The game creators says that he had a neurological disorder like MS or ALS.

[@regent2125]

What a beautiful episode!😭💔

[@Ch40ticC4su4l]

You two have to be the only two who didn't cry all throughout this episode. Weird.

[@fajarkurniawan9434]

I didn’t cry either I did cry on Mugen Train

[@arrgggod4656]

yeah they didn't care at all

[@kevinjames9901]

They are both airheads that lack emotional intelligence.

[@Saphthings]

Yep, and they cry a lot at everything... got somewhat of negative vibes about that... And they kept changing the topic to about survival and prepping... Even at the end "Oh you're still thinking about Bill and Frank, I'm thinking about Joel and Ellie"...

[@SpenceJS87]

They are from Texas, certain political beliefs are common there...

[@christopherbauer9991]

"I"ll say he's probably like the Dale Gribble" made me laugh out loud.

[@michaelcoffey1991]

@Dos Cavazos Anthony your correct on the changes from the game, your critic and banter with the wife was fun to watch. An Damn if you don't look like Rob Zombie's younger brother. @Kacee your breakdown was fun too see what you liked and enjoyed and what you did not. Very fun watch. Subbed as of now

[@DecoyZ]

This episode made me sob for literal hours, I couldn't stop

[@snails6997]

Yeah, I play the game and didn't expect they package Bill this way. New way to tell a story and differ than the usual "Apocalypse Hermit" tropes.

[@Dieg0Marteen]

Yea. They portrayed him just like the game

[@sarah4hp]

Frank was his romantic partner in the game as well, we just never got to see them together. This wasn't a huge change, just a deeper look at Bill. Also we got to meet Frank, see their love story, and the ending to that love story was changed in a way that won't change Joel and Ellie's journey in any big way.

[@Frostbite08]

Literally a week ago I sat down and made a list of my favorite individual episodes of TV ever... I have to redo my list.

[@veronievicky]

please post this list somewhere, would love to see it, tic tok, reddit, anywhere

[@Frostbite08]

@@veronievicky I didn't get around to organizing it yet, but the top 2 are definitely the correct top 2. I also gave myself the rule that I couldn't pick the same show twice. -San Junipero (Black Mirror) -Ozymandias (Breaking Bad) -For The Man Who Has Everything (Justice League Unlimited) -Slap Bet (How I Met Your Mother) -Herogasm (The Boys) -Blink (Dr. Who) -Our Ms. Reynolds (Firefly) -A New Napkin (Daredevil) -Memories of the Future (Attack on Titan) -Tales of Ba Sing Se (Avatar: The Last Airbender) If you haven't seen San Junipero or For The Man Who Has Everything, I highly recommend them. They have similar themes to this episode (San Junipero especially), and neither one requires knowledge of the rest of the show.

[@ElOroDelTigre]

This is the best love story in all of the apocalypse-based media.

[@martinmillar7137]

They had to leave regardless..they have a mission... well... initially.

[@to0muchtoan]

"Tragically Beautiful"

[@corvus1374]

The guy who played Frank is Murray Bartlett, from The White Lotus. He played Armand.

[@jubilantsleep]

My husband is a “survivalist” of sorts and I’ve never been prouder lol. We got guns and more guns. Even a flamethrower and some gas masks. Tons of army food and seeds. Generators etc. Bill and Frank were an adorable detour from the usually extremely bleak storyline (but one that we still love of course!) of TLOU.

[@kieranireland2598]

I don't think this was a depressing episode at all. We see 2 people in an apocalypse find each other and spend 16? years together and grow old together have and live a life. Make 2 friends in tess and joel and in the end it wasn't the infected who took them, they went out in their own terms (kind of. Fuck cancer)

[@portugalgamermanel3404]

besides Bill's Town, they had other hiding place with a gun... it's good having this hiding places... it's the end of the world.... places stop being safe.... and the logic of hiding a gun first before goes to Bill's is smart of Joel. he knows Bill is full of guns. another masterpiece of episode

[@joshritz7067]

I'm feeling too much for a Monday morning before work

[@js6729]

I'm with y'all, I would have stayed at Bill & Franks house lol electricity, running water, food, weapons, an underground bunker, and an electric fence with booby traps around the perimeter. I'm staying there lol

[@Pragabond]

I think when he said getting older faster than you he's just talking about how he's in worse shape. Frank was doing just fine on the run and Bill looked like he was one more lap away from passing out

[@rock89ss]

this episode was wonderful. I loved your reaction. we were all like this greetings from Argentina

[@judsongaiden9878]

4:44 My only gripe is that he's right-handed, but he slings his bandoleer left-handed. They always get that wrong in pop culture. Movies, TV shows, video games. They all get it wrong. 11:06 He should be using a bolt-action rifle from as far a distance as he can manage, within its effective range, and from cover. He had plenty of other more jack-of-all-trades rifles to choose from. 20:25 Calling it right now. They took too many handguns and not enough rifles. That's another pop culture trope that needs to be "retired." Yes, I mean in the Blade Runner sense. Handguns are not the game-changers rifles are. They're sidearms. Backups. NOT primaries. Handguns are also more difficult to learn how to use proficiently due to their having fewer points of contact.

[@nilexinator5901]

if i had to guess its multiple sklerosis. typical symptoms and it doesnt just kill you like a stroke would. so its a realistic disease to have in an apocalypse.

[@Sawyer1982OAC]

If you don’t have someone to pair rabbit meat with the right wine you’re doing apocalypse wrong…

[@reality8605]

When Joel was about to enter Bill & Franks room he got distracted by the blue door shutting. Since Ellie didn't go out the door then what/who did?

[@roxtaramir]

Air

[@amaurygatelier1157]

It was the wind from the open window

[@Pragabond]

If there's one thing this series has taught me its that Ellie's brain only has one setting: Gun.

[@frankthetank520]

my buddy went from legit mad at something stupid to crying in this episode

[@dribrom]

In the game you only read about Frank on different notes you find. And in the game Frank hanged himself after he got bit by a runner.

[@itzerisadomeeiot4980]

the real voice of tess died RIP

[@KillbotSw]

Love the channel you guys. ❤️

[@aPhatPhoenix]

They wouldn’t be able to just stay there. Or go get Tommy and come back there. They have to get Ellie to the firefly doctors remember, for her “greater purpose”. And they did loot up what they needed. But they can’t take everything, Joel even ditched the AR earlier in the episode because at some point realistically you have to travel light.

[@sssshh1]

wow you guys showed zero emotion. it wasn't "depressing" it was a beautiful love story!! i was an emotional wreck by the end💔

[@denisebennettahrentzen8340]

Yeah, such a disappointing reaction for me.

[@pyro380]

Not everyone is emotionally unstable.

[@Dark__Thoughts]

18:10 people knowing Part 2 be like: T_T Game spoiler for this episode: Frank hated Bill and tried to get away. In his attempt to fix up a car and steal resources he ended up getting infected and killed himself by hanging. Bill, Joel and Ellie together then found him at the end of that part of the game and take his car to start their trip towards Tommy. Frank's true feelings for Bill are only clear when you actually search the area for his letter, which you can give to him or keep for yourself after reading it. So here they actually stayed happy and grew old together and Frank managed to get Bill a bit out his deluded mind. Edit: Game letter below: "Well, Bill, I doubt you'd ever find this note cause you were too scared to ever make it to this part of town. But if for some reason you did, I want you to know I hated your guts. I grew tired of this shitty town and your set-in-your-ways attitude. I wanted more from life than this and you could never get that. And that stupid battery you kept moaning about -- I got it. But I guess you were right. Trying to leave this town will kill me. Still better than spending another day with you. Good Luck, Frank" Dialog if you decide to give him the note: Joel: Bill, I uh... I found this in there and I... I figured you should have it. Bill: That's how you feel. Well, fuck you too, Frank. Fuckin' idiot. You can pick up the crumbled note again, which I feel resembles Joel crumbling Bill's note in the show.

[@ChristophTheTerrible]

You see without ever meeting Frank I always assumed that they had an argument about leaving. Broke up and Frank left thinking Bill was too cautious and got the Battery but ended up getting infected. Bill was mad at him for leaving and his loathing grew for Frank. And Frank wrote that letter not as a fuck you but as a I know you hate me, I'd rather give you more of a reason to hate me than to say sorry and give you sadness. Hatred keeps you alive and sadness gets you dead. So in short when I played the game I assumed. Bill and Frank loved each other. Frank wanted them to leave to join a community or look for other people. Bill was cautious and wanted to hunker down. Eventually Frank resented Bill and left to get the Battery. He wrote the note in anger because he was angry but also because he knew if he apologized and said "Bill you were right it was too dangerous" Bill would have been, angry yes, but more saddened and could have done something drastic like self delete. Hatred is a great motivator to stay alive due to spite. But I could have been projecting at the time and reading to into it at the time.

[@jhornacek]

@@ChristophTheTerrible No, Frank said in his letter that he hated Bill's guts and that he would rather risk his life to leave Bill's town then spend the rest of his life in that town with Bill. There was no hidden meaning to Frank's words here.

[@PuffySofty]

Okay...now I'm REALLY interested in how they will change the Pittsburg segment. I would actually love it if they did some backstory on Ish's compound.

[@bLuGhOsT_]

One thing that's for certain - the last of us is a depressing narrative, great, but depressing

[@JohnnyZ716]

I firmly believe that this dude reacting has no soul. I've never once seen him get emotional to anything. I mean look at his face during Franks last night. He has a smile on his face. Odd AF

[@howcomeyoucoachhimbutnotme]

This is the happy episode

[@Henrique-wv9xq]

The only thing I didn't like about this episode was how easy it seemed to be for Bill and Frank to live there, I feel like it made the apocalypse feel less dangerous, I wish we got more scenes of them having to defend their house from either infected or raiders. Aside from that, tho seeing the changes did bother me some, I really liked what they did here and how Bill still had an impact in Joel.

[@miketrujillo3677]

They were in the middle of nowhere and there was a given reason, the civilians were executed and it was rural

[@Andjelka99]

it was all implied I guess, how did he get the tester device? FEDRA stopped by he took care of them and anybody else bothering him. Could we have more of it shown maybe but this was characters and emotion driven ep so I get why not.

[@kazehazeee]

@@miketrujillo3677 yeah, even Joel himself told Ellie about the town

[@mst3KGf]

@@miketrujillo3677 Joel even mentions this to Bill that they don't have to worry about FEDRA as they won't come out this far from the QZ (why would they given as far as they know the town has been completely evacuated) and Bill's traps ensures they don't have to worry about the odd infected when they show up. Raiders are their only threat and we do see them deal with that.

[@Henrique-wv9xq]

@@miketrujillo3677 Yeah I get it now, after some time reflecting on the episode it stopped bothering me, that wasn't really the point of the episode after all, I guess it just made me feel too removed from the apocalypse at first but that was part of the idea, I think.

[@maxwell8758]

They should have made bill and Frank’s backstory a lot shorter, and made them have a larger impact.

[@jhornacek]

They already have a larger impact. Did you miss the part where Ellie reads Bill's letter to Joel?

[@maxwell8758]

@@jhornacek That was a one sentence thing. It did not justify an hour long story. It was too boring and long and had little impact.

[@jhornacek]

@@maxwell8758 It wasn't boring, it was an interesting and involving love story. It wasn't too long - the Bill and Frank content was barely an hour. And as for impact - again, if you had watched the episode you would have seen how Bill's letter and declaration that he and Joel are meant to be protectors affected him, and gave him the final push to protect Ellie and deliver her to the Fireflies.

[@maxwell8758]

@@jhornacek I watched all the episodes. I know the impact. It was small. They could have done a brief 10 minute thing to give the basics and then went on with Joel and Ellie. I don’t know why you’re stating it was interesting as if it’s a fact. I didn’t like it. It was boring to me. I don’t know what else to tell you.

[@jhornacek]

@@maxwell8758 You say that you watched all the episodes, but I'm not sure about that. It doesn't even sound like you watched this one, or if you did you weren't paying attention. Maybe you would have preferred a WWE RAW episode? Or a Michael Bay movie? Those sound more like what you're looking for.

[@nullunit]

It was a nice place that Bill and Frank made for themselves but if I were in Joel's shoes I would still have to go west to at least try and find my family. I would want to come back to Bill's though, that place was set up. Episode is dope top to bottom, loved the world building, loved the love story, and just generally dug that they showed a gay couple that wasn't a tired tropey cliche like Birdcage in the apocalypse.

[@Riken]

In game it was implied that Bill and Frank were a couple, though Frank got bit and fled off to part of the town filled with infected. I did like this interpretation from the show but I thought there were some important development parts between Joel and Ellie in the Bill part of the game that weren't shown in this episode but I feel like that's coming next episode in Pittsburgh and them hopefully meeting Henry and Sam at the end of the episode.

[@jhornacek]

In the game Frank didn't get bit until after he left Bill. Bill gives Joel a different version - that he was the one who broke up with Frank and sent him packing, but when you find Frank you realize it was the other way around.

[@sarah4hp]

Wow... least emotional reaction to this episode I have seen yet. I wasn't expecting anyone not feeling emotionally distraught after that beautiful love story 😂🤣😂

[@SpenceJS87]

Reactions to this episode are really revealing peoples' homophobia.

[@Saphthings]

Yeah it felt like, "Let's not say what we're thinking cuz we're on camera"... really... let down...

[@jhornacek]

Could not understand them repeatedly saying that Joel and Ellie should have stayed in Bill's town. Have they not been paying attention? Joel's main goal is to save Tommy - how is that going to happen if he stays here? And Ellie wants to get to the Fireflies out west to help find a cure - again, how does that happen if they stay here?

[@Lucklaran]

13:01 The most important words spoken in this show so far, "There wasn't anything to cure this before the world fell apart", followed closely by the one word response to the threat of Cordyceps from episode 2 "Bomb". The idea that someone could develop a cure to it "after the world fell apart" when there was no way to do that before is ludicrous. But then, we would not have this awesome show, right?

[@jhornacek]

They didn't have a cure for Cordyceps before the world fell apart because this was a new form of it that affected humans. But the Fireflies have been working on a cure for ~20 years. It's definitely not "ludicrous" that they would be able to come up with a cure in that time (with Ellie's help).

[@Lucklaran]

@@jhornacek You're missing my point. She was supposed to be the expert in fungi. She didn't even attempt to find a cure. She went straight to the "nuclear" option. Spoiler warning: Yet some random survivor of the apocalypse, working with limited resources available is going to be able to figure it out with the ONE sample they are going to be able to collect from the ONLY person immune to cordycepts, because the "extraction" will kill her. Meaning there will be NO other chances. The dude literally says he THINKS it MIGHT be possible to create a cure by killing Ellie. Meaning he does NOT know for sure. Never mind how they are going to replicate this without some kind of sterile environment in quantities sufficient to vaccinate whoever is left. Never mind the idea of distributing the vaccine in a world were random mobs will kill other people to steal their stuff without bothering to talk. What would most likely happen is the people transporting the vaccine will be killed and have their gear/supplies stolen, and, not knowing/understanding the vaccine, they will just leave it to rot. OR, if they did figure it out, they would just keep it for themsleves. The fireflies loft HALF their people just trying to get part way across America to the hospital. Even if by some miracle they did develope a vaccine, the odds are they'd be killed before they could distribute it. Look, it's a fun show, but in my opinion, it really requires far too much suspension of disbelief when it comes to "the cure"/

[@tombstone9976]

Favorite reactors 🙌

[@kevinjames9901]

Lol why?? They literally have the emotional intelligence of a toadstool

[@GoobiesFunZone]

I feel that Frank had ALS. It would explain why he was in wheelchair and he needed help getting in bed. Also he said that there was no cure for it even before the world want to hell.

[@jhornacek]

They deliberately didn't say what disease Frank had, but it's something like ALS or Parkinson's.

[@itstianooong]

IT KINDA FEEL LIKE "UP" MOVIE. THIS IS SO SAD

[@gigireads1716]

That’s what I was thinking the whole time. 😭

[@kazehazeee]

i know, Up movie but make it gay

[@rinktheredlink9317]

Bruh I was a mess after this episode

[@ISavant]

They are specifically looking for tommy, and it's not like they can't go back to that town for resupply since they know the gate code and where everything in there is kept.

[@chrishebert5672]

I had never heard of the game. Doing a little looking around, I see it's coming out for PC in March. However, from what I can tell, it's a 3rd-person perspective rather than first-person. I've never cared for anything but first-person in a game. It's more immersive. Is there a first-person option in the game?

[@jhornacek]

No, you can't change the perspective in the game.

[@ldrbrad]

wtff this episode was so sad :(

[@thihaaung647]

This is a better love story than Twilight.

[@martinmillar7137]

Really believe this was a masterpeice... it actually brought all those collectable notes to life in a way i wasn't ready for.. this is imo one of theeee best episodes of tv ever and neil drukkman and co deserve all credit for telling a powerfull story that was hidden all the time in some games collectibles... this was truly special.

[@thomashernandez8700]

Frank had ALS

[@jhornacek]

They deliberately didn't say what disease Frank had.

[@MF-pq7bq]

I thought I'd be mad without having the battle with the bloater in the church but you know what.... im okay with this too.

[@leeo1893]

The battle was in the school but I guess they gonna use the bloater like a surprise for a very intense scene on future. However I’m okay with all the backstory for Bill and Frank, that was really great and it’s going to the same path of the game still. Just wanted to watch the Ellie and Bill interactions buts it’s fine

[@ashchbkv6965]

you guys are seriously tough

[@kevinjames9901]

more like airheads...

[@ibuprofriends]

@@kevinjames9901😂

[@dinosaurtimeandfunnyvideos]

When are you gonna catch up with My hero?

[@mike5523]

It’s either ALS or Parkinson’s

[@caronstout354]

Possibly MS

[@ducktape160]

My thought....... Grow your own dam food

[@Saphthings]

Not gonna lie, got somewhat of negative vibes about this reaction... They cry and get super emotional about all sorts of movies and stories, very easily, it's why I like the channel. But here's a gay love story and they kept changing the topic to about survival and prepping... Very little emotion... Heck even channels that don't usually get all emotional teared up about this. Even at the end "Oh you're still thinking about Bill and Frank, I'm thinking about Joel and Ellie"...

[@Arigoatl]

Prolly homophobic

[@GeorgeEugeneBarrett]

So if someone doesn’t fawn over your gay love story that means they are some type of homophobic bigot? That’s what you are implying. Ffs, not everyone has to constantly rave about “representation” and all that woke nonsense to appreciate the story. Try being upset about something that actually matters for a change.

[@Saphthings]

@@GeorgeEugeneBarrett Yes. If someone doesn't fawn over it despite fawning over several similar stories it does mean they're a homophobic bigot. Every single love story that's remotely like this that has straight couples they all tear up and get emotional. You're not gonna be able to gaslight me into not seeing what I'm not seeing. And this does matter. More than pretty much everything else in your life. Best of luck with things! : )

[@MaxzMendoza]

Y’all are triggered by their reaction is hilarious😭. If you don’t like it, then move on. They don’t have to react a certain way for your approval

[@Saphthings]

@@MaxzMendoza Correct. They don't. We do have a right to voice our disapproval. And no, we do not have to move on : ) We don't have to do anything.

[@SwiftBolt17]

This episode was amazing! It broke me, I think this is the best episode so far, I don't even mind that they changed it from the game

[@noneyahbusyniss8206]

gooo EAGLES !!!, not dallas...ppffff

[@m.winfree1912]

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