Don't Make This Garden Fencing Mistake

[@007JHS]

We bought our house new 20 years ago... the builders had used wooden posts about every 2.4m... we had strong winds snap off the fence at the ground on 3 sides on three separate occasions... I bought the tools and the materials... concrete posts and gravel boards and rebuilt my fences...didn't buy new panels...disassmbled my old fence every nail and rebuilt it into panels to fit between the posts... This saved me money as I didn't have to buy new panels and I had next to nothing to dispose... even the old fence posts... sawed them off square at the ragged base and used them in other (non fence) applications.

[@adriansams6066]

I replaced my back fence 2yrs ago and did the entire job out of Accoya, expensive but it will last decades and decades. All the fixings are stainless steel and I designed it so air can pass through it. It's a damn fine picket style fence , treated with Architectual solignum and when I do treat it again all the slats come off to paint and the rails... Proper job. Gloating moi?.... Yep. :-) Tanalized panels, posts are nothing like they were 30yrs ago. The Tanalith barely penetrates 2mm deep in most cases. Shocking stuff.

[@criollitoification]

I'd be gloating too pal on a job like that! Well done! I've always drone on about the fact that 'cheap' is never good (unless it's for a very short temp measure and you know what to expect).

[@adriansams6066]

@@criollitoification Cheers for the kind words. I was expecting a bit of backlash but I worked out the cost of replacing a tanalised one and It's more money and ball ache having to replace it every 8 yrs or so and that was 4" tanalised posts. All the best to you.

[@Syncronizeification]

I worked for a fencing company who made proper strong fences, over did it with the digging, with the concreting, so much attention to detail it really makes shoddy fences stand out and I think there's no excuses for bad fencing. Lap pannels, silly rail brackets, either go concrete with closeboard pannels, or post and rail with spurs

[@barryford7135]

When I used to do fencing. We always recommend concrete post & gravel boards with good quality panels. I never went back to a failed fence using this method.

[@mikiex]

But now you're out of business because all the fences are still standing :)

[@triedzidono]

so funny, no matter what i do in the day, The Biz has a video about it by the evening. Although I imagine a lot of us are up to this particular activity at the moment. Blessed be the fencers

[@SkillBuilder]

I am watching you watching me

[@TurinTuramber]

Wooden post - If one end is bone dry and the other end saturated then always somewhere there will be a point of perfect humidity for fungi to grow and rot the post. Concrete is great in the ground and the best choice for longevity.

[@ooslum]

2:36 That fence is great for between gardens Roger but on a public boundary it has a lot of hooligan potential to be ripped apart and give ladder access to a private part of a garden. I built one in London 30 years ago and it didn't last to the following morning, just far too many leverage points, cheers.

[@American-In-Mykolaiv]

Locks and fences will only keep honest people honest, hooligans will always find a way to bypass security.

[@khalidacosta7133]

vertical alternate slats? Use those in my garden, harder to climb ;-)

[@kevinwillis6707]

@@khalidacosta7133 was gonna say the same thing, vertical slats do the same job and is climbproof. concrete posts can be painted as well to blend in a bit more.

[@ruinunes8251]

@@khalidacosta7133 That is a heck of an idea.

[@SkillBuilder]

A good point, I live in Reigate which is so far from the mean streets that I forget.

[@rockymount2393]

Agree with Roger, don't be fooled by the words "Traditional" Lap Fence Panels 😅 as they're, flimsy, light and there's nothing traditional about them 😨 For starters the "thin" section perimeter wood is held together with 15g brads (not galvanised nails) & their life expectedly is suprisingly short.. If you do however still choose them (because you have those concrete posts they slide into), do not under any circumstances try to pick them up on your own just because they're light. A workmate I use to know picked one up, hands fully outstretched and a gust of wind caught the panel. His feet stayed firmly planted on the ground but his body/waist twisted/swivelled whist he was holding the fence panel and it completely did his back in for the rest of his life and he suffered chronic back pain. So make sure there's two of you when handling these panels 🖒😀

[@genehunsinger3981]

he got "whilst'ed",,,LOL

[@TurinTuramber]

The cheap lap panels are light but you can use good decent closed board panels which are very heavy. Far more wood in there. Cheap lap panels have there place as easy to replace and if they bend they can blow out before they break.

[@criollitoification]

If you're a DIYer then wait for the calmest weather to install your fencing. If you're on a job then yes 2 people are always better than one but they'll never be a match against strong winds regardless. In any case use your wits about you

[@turd6776]

Yeah but my cheap ones have be their for 13 years and be painted

[@martinbeardmore7533]

......and praying that takes up alot of time......brilliant!!.

[@SkillBuilder]

I must admit I haven't done a lot of it myself but the bloke who runs the kebab and burger stall outside my local Screwfix closes at lunchtime while he goes across the road to pray. True story.

[@MrJozza65]

Many concrete posts you can get now are nowhere near as good as the old ones. We did a fence last year, bought the best posts we could, but on cutting one we found the rebar was flimsy compared to the 30+ year old old posts, and the concrete was not as good quality either. Next door had a fence fitted 5 weeks back, 3 of the concrete posts themselves cracked and failed at their base at ground level in the storm last week. My fence stayed up though 🙂

[@dougsaunders8109]

100% agree. Had a 5 concrete post fence go over. Posts snapped just out of the ground. Fence two years old

[@craig2539]

Hi Roger ,i always use 9'' concrete posts and good quality 6' feather edge panels and always dig good size holes and fill with concrete and bricks, with 1' concrete gravel boards and never have any problems, I've had people say wow how you get it so straight lol i say easy good old string line and a long level and good old grafting that's it. I had to laugh my neighbour but one old arris rail fencing been up years finally rotted and blew down in the wind it had 4 feet concrete godfathers been up 30 years, cannot believe they have just replaced the whole fencing and just concrete in new wooden posts and done the arris rail fencing again but not used the existing concrete posts and just butted the new fence up against them, the mother and daughter did it, probably not having a drill and new bolts stopped them from just bolting the new wood posts to the existing concrete posts, i couldn't believe it, could of been a good job but no it won't last long with those wooden posts rotting in the ground 😣

[@ChrisHansonDev]

Love this guy. None of your videos have come up in my feed for some times. Time to catchup!

[@SkillBuilder]

I don't know why that happens. Plenty of channels I subscribe to and press the bell and still don't get the notifications.

[@ChrisHansonDev]

@@SkillBuilder at least a year since last seen a video from you. I go onto lots of channels I was subbed to and they’re no longer subbed. Few great ones I have to keep re-subbing to. Keep up the good work.

[@shbrooks1984]

I did all my fences last year with Durapost metal posts as didn't like concrete and timber always rots. Really easy system to use and install for the DIYer. Also, I made sure that all my fence panels had stainless steel nails as opposed to zinc so I didn't get black staining running down them.

[@RexBanner_]

After about 15 years, the metal will rust and snap off. Concrete posts, done right will last indefinitely.

[@shbrooks1984]

I suspect Durapost haven't been around that long so there's no evidence to suggest this, and they come with a 25 year guarantee. Much nicer than concrete which I've found cracks and moves after a number of years.

[@celticwarrior777]

whats aconcrete spur that gets concreted in at same time as the wooden post?

[@Lee-qu6tk]

I do agree with most of what you have said Roger . Concrete posts do by far out last timber posts but is it more environmental friendly to put timber in the ground than Concrete?? . And the cost of putting Concrete posts is more labour involved.

[@SkillBuilder]

environmetally friendly is putting things in that last. If you are driving around in a 50 year old car that has no catalytic convertor are you less environmentally friendly than the person who has had ten new cars in that time?

[@1701_FyldeFlyer]

Concrete posts rot out as well. The wind, rain and freezing cracks the concrete then bits fall off exposing the iron rods inside which then rust themselves.

[@ruinunes8251]

Obviously nothing lasts for ever, however I will choose concrete posts over wood. If my wallet allows it, I would have a brick wall instead.

[@SkillBuilder]

38 years and my concrete posts are still looking good. If they last another 10 years that will do me.

[@Rory241995]

Durapost purchased from a company called kudos fencing replaced old fence in our new home and it is rock solid and not going anywhere anytime soon strongly recommend it

[@SkillBuilder]

Thanks, we will check them out and do another video

[@TurinTuramber]

Concrete slot posts are great with close boards panels. If have to have timber then feather edge and Arris rail is pretty sturdy and if treated a few times will last 15+ years.

[@asheyconnect17]

Excellent timing this video with the recent storms 😂👍🏻

[@SkillBuilder]

Yes you would think it was deliberate. Our next video is on World War 3

[@elminz]

@@SkillBuilder I'm looking forward to learning the mistakes in nuclear fallout bunker construction. Radiation leak under doors etc.

[@asheyconnect17]

@@SkillBuilder Excellent standards!

[@markusass]

I've got an old wooden 6 feet tall fence with cross rails and slats and wooden posts (7.5 x10cm), along a boundary, put up by a well known house builder 20 years ago, and have had to either buttress and shore up rotting posts or put in new posts altogether over the years (about 7 times in total). The old pergola has come in very handy to cannibalize parts, as some of the tanalised timber posts are 15x15cm, meaning it's just my labour, coach screws and a couple of bags of postfix to do a repair job.

[@michaelplays2449]

Great video Rodger , thanks 😊

[@johncoppock3823]

If you don't like concrete posts then just paint them with fence paint. Thought it might wash off but no. My whole problem length now has concrete repair posts all the way. Slatted is the way to go on the panels. Great video.

[@MrSagsta]

If you've already got them flimsy fence panels, you can strap them across with galvanized wire. 6/6 panels top and bottom on one side and middle on other side. Coat panels with oil based paint/creosote. Them panels will last 20years + with coat of paint every few years of course. I don't use wooden post for fence, however when a feature requires it, I fill the base of hole with gravel, place the post in position and concrete slightly above ground level with a slope away from the post. This way any water penetrated the post will eventually drain off into gravel rather than getting trapped at bottom off post.

[@theinfernalcraftsman]

I have seen concrete light poles and power poles but concrete fence posts are a new thing to me. They don't exist on this side of the Atlantic. I am in Texas and we consider a wood post a 10 year fence as they rot and get eaten by termites and blown over by wind. Wind like you are getting is common here. The minimum preferred method is a 2 3/8 steel pipe, a sheet metal rolled pipe similar to chain link fence piping. The better permanent option is to use 2 3/8 drill stem. As in small oil/gas drilling pipe. It's usually 3/8 wall extremely heavy and cheaper than sheetmetal. It's cheap because it is not recyclable. Because it has drilled through the earth it is exposed to NORM which makes it lightly radioactive and the scrap places won't buy it. Makes great posts but it's just so heavy to work with.

[@johndonson1603]

There used to be lots of concrete fence posts in the UK, they used to commonly be used in council houses , they don't look great, but they are very durable.

[@theinfernalcraftsman]

@@johndonson1603 Ahh makes sense. I haven't been to the UK since the 90s and hopefully head over there before tool long and do some tool shopping and other stores as I like to see what other countries use.

[@bimble7240]

NORM ?

[@Witheredgoogie]

Yeah it's a matter of 'horses for courses' concrete posts can have their problems too and it depends what policy Mother Nature is operating in a particular area.That is where your skill and experience should be valued by your customer compared to some of the clowns who think they can install a fence.

[@Blueski43]

Have a look at Rhino greenhouses. Expensive, but they can handle high winds and have a 25 year guarantee ! I lost 6 lap panels out of 13, so replacing with close board instead. The wood used for the bracing is so much more substantial for not much more money.

[@roysammons2445]

Great advice Rodger. My greenhouse stood up well apart from a missing rooflight window. The auto opener doesn't know what to make of it all 🤣

[@SkillBuilder]

My greenhouse is being recycled as I speak.

[@nevillemorley5926]

You're right. Thanks, Roger.

[@robquince3076]

I've always recommended hit and miss fencing for this reason👍

[@slowmarchingband1]

Would you recommend applying bitumen or similar to the bottom of wooden posts before concreting?

[@petermorris3665]

Use Post Saver sleeves. Fencing contractors all claim never to have heard of them as they want your repeat business in the future!

[@genehunsinger3981]

I'm Rodger here,where my green house took a $hit.BUT we'er here to talk bout fences! LOLBest side forward!

[@yourundoing12]

you mention about the concrete posts and people may not like the look of them - the fence at 2:41 has the concrete posts but cladded(?) in the same wood as the panels themselves. Very nice job that one

[@saxilbyjoe4325]

In my opinion the best fences are a nice hedge. Far less work once established. What can be done to stop fence panels rattling in concrete posts?

[@supaste]

Make a wooden wedge and hammer it into the slot in the concrete where you have a gap. It should stop the rattling and reduce the chance of you finding your post still standing but the panels flat on the ground. Small eyesore but a cheap easy solution you can do with some scrap wood.

[@saxilbyjoe4325]

@@supaste Thanks!

[@0skar9193]

screw a small screw at top & bottom corners (15cm up/down) so it just kisses the concrete post

[@tonyl1984]

You can fence panel anti rattle clips of eBay at a fairly good price

[@flex85]

Have a look at a product called Durapost, Roger. I’ve been selling them in our shop for around the last 12 months, wind tested to 120mph, come as a galvanised or powder coated steel H-post, suitable for both panels and rail & board, and around 7kg each for a 2400mm. Long service life too. We have many tradies and members of the public that once they’ve tried them don’t go back to timber or concrete. You could probably make a decent video with them.

[@SkillBuilder]

send us details of your shop so people know where to go.

[@Jo-xg6rk]

I second that...durapost metal posts are way better than concrete...much easier to install too👍

[@vooveks]

Hi. How much are they each? Cheers.

[@Jo-xg6rk]

@@vooveks 2.4m length are about £30

[@DanH282]

Yep I've used durpaost on my fences 2m exposed and 1m in the ground so I back that. Easy to work with, they look great and stood up to the wind easily. They flex slightly in strong wind but given how many screws you can put in there's no chance the panel is slipping out. Only thing left to see is how long the galvanised metal lasts.

[@stephengreen6338]

Well, I planted my front conifer barrier 25yrs ago, and it bends and sways pretty good in any storm, it keeps the sparrows warm at night too, is nt nature wonderful

[@SkillBuilder]

Good to know!

[@celticwarrior777]

doesnt grow though on the coast i tried that planted over 70

[@American-In-Mykolaiv]

Love your videos - speaker of truths. Reminds me of my old military days when it was said to "never send a boy to do a man's job."

[@SkillBuilder]

How does a boy become a man? By taking on the work and responsibility of a man.

[@pbysome]

Post savers work well and 4" round posts fit lovely into plastic soil pipe 2/3" above ground level, I fill them with oil before putting the post in 600mm deep top them up from time to time, works well.

[@MrNavpatel]

What about composit fence? Are they storm proof as no wind will pass through…

[@macrovigilance]

So true Roger; build it once, build it properly. Concrete posts all the way!!

[@ianscottuk]

Do you actually know if the slat fences reduce the wind loading? When you do wind calcs for offshore structures, open truss structures have a higher shape factor than a flat surface.

[@SkillBuilder]

you could be right, we need somebody clever to work it out. Maybe blow some smoke through?

[@russellprice1062]

Post savers is the way to go stops the rot at ground level

[@fertysurfer]

Failing to plan is planning to fail. We all knew the wind was coming and it hit us hard here in Cornwall so I braced the fence posts the day before with 45° timbers. Sorted.

[@SkillBuilder]

Good man, that could have been my 2 minute tip. I'll knick that.

[@fertysurfer]

Ha ha. I drive my kids mad with that.

[@superiorbeing95]

I'm sat on the fence with this subject

[@SkillBuilder]

Was it a windy night up there?

[@superiorbeing95]

@@SkillBuilder Better to ask an Architect about draughts :-)

[@MrSmid888]

I agree lovely looking panels them Roger but they’ll cost a fortune. The hit and miss fence around my back garden is 20 years old, posts are still pretty solid. The sarking is rotten in places. I’ve a terrible set up 3 different neighbours share the parameter in a U shape. Think I’m gonna lose a bit of ground and do a fence inside the boundary fence. One section is by a path with post in concrete/tarmac, about 6 posts in that, I get a sore head thinking about it 🤣. (Digging out) Each to their own, I did some privacy fencing screwing post onto my drive wall that’s only about 3ft high to block off the path the neighbours use. I used those cheap weany board panels, used plenty Ducksback black paint, they’ve done 1 winter in Scotland still look class, like new no green mould etc. I think most fences get neglected. The moisture thing is always an issue. Haunching can help gain a few years give or take. I’ve a video here of the job I did onto the wall have a look, skip the first part I’m just chatting nonsense 🤣 last 2 mins you’ll see the finished job 👍🏻 kzbin.info/www/bejne/apPQqqeCepKKZtE

[@fireblaster9961]

Well that was longer than I thought before I saw roger ranting about blown down fences

[@thomaswright2614]

Do you recommend double sided featherboard fences? gets windy where I stay

[@SkillBuilder]

I like the hit and miss boarding

[@celticwarrior777]

very usueful thanks. having my first fence up soon. i live on coast get up to 55mph winds of the sea here in highlands its wild all winter. i paid more to get those forest double slatted panels to let the wind pass through.

[@chatteyj]

and has it worked??

[@mikej4193]

Post buddy for my fence as one post gone ! Job done

[@antonyporter5045]

IF you have to use wooden posts paint the bottom 27 inches with bitumen/black jack etc

[@mrb1864]

Funnily enough biggest mess in my area was on recent housing development, not cheap to buy as some 700K+ but any with a fence had issues and see some roofs too (mainly leaks lol) Lot of new housing and upgrade work is awful for longevity and durability thanks to construction being kept in a budget or below budget for a bit of pocket money . My 90 year old property had no issues, no fences as all hedges and some trees .

[@stevef2114]

nice vid... and idea... but those fences you showed cost and arm and a leg... what the point of spending all that money on a boundary ? If youre going to stay there for years and years fine, but good wooden posts, protected and bitumen coated around ground level have lasted me a very long time.

[@pawelsuwala480]

Can you make a video about aluminium and pvc panels. They seem a good job. What do you think?

[@fivish]

We have professionally installed concrete posts, a few year old now, and if they have not started to lean then the pannels have shrunk. Expensive mistake.

[@tinytonymaloney7832]

I like the slat fencing, it's more of a wind reduction break so should be able to take more wind pressure. Given me a new idea for putting fencing around the stable, which was dragged 4 ft across its concrete base Friday. I was wondering if we were going to get a trampoline display of you Rog. An example of you bouncing back 😂😂

[@indigo50003]

I was always taught to set fire to the bottom of wood posts and burn it before I concrete them in so it doesn't rot. Is there any fact to this or was it just a waste of time :D

[@SkillBuilder]

It works, it is a trick used by the Vikings and the Japanese adn killing all the organic material makes it a bad host.

[@UberAlphaSirus]

The storm was handy, it knocked my neigbours fence over, I snaged a couple of fence posts of him for blocking my van in the air to do the drop links and anti roll bushes. :D

[@standbanger2]

It the moisture in the concrete that attacks wooden post believe or not, concrete will hold moisture a lot long than just plan soil, i put this to the test over a 5 year period, yes i could see rot in both posts but concreted post had more rot, i am a fencer by trade & i do try to convince people to go the concrete post & panel route but some really don't like the look of it, so when it comes to rail & board with wooden post we put the post in a plasic sock with a bitumen lining then concrete around it, ok it's not much better but will last a little longer! The key is maintenance, give your fence a good coating in a fence stain "not paint" every year, this helps to keep it solid,,,don't use paint because paint will hold the moisture in the wood where stain will let the wood breath!

[@karacollins3847]

Most of the cheap panels are made in a certain prison in Scotland as are the sheds in the superstore

[@peterdallyn6440]

Builtup featherboarded fences always last longer than individual fence panel fences, just look around after the storms. The ones that have failed are usually quite old. They act as one structural system which is so much stronger than individual posts and fence panels. They also look so much better than ones with concrete posts. Can't disagree that concrete lasts longer, I'm adding concrete spurs to my fence as yes timber rots in the ground.

[@dougsaunders8109]

Had a five concrete post fence go over. Posts snap off at the base. In fairness 3000mm centres still agree with other comments here rebar is thin and the concrete mix is questionable. Fence was 2 years old. Feather board. The offset slats look the way forward if they are not in areas where they will be climbed over, garden to public path

[@TheUpsetter]

I wonder why we don't see good old fashioned hedging more often or more natural barriers, My father had Ivy on the front of his house and the winds have blown it off, I was amazed at how strong and intertwined it is when went to do the clean up, we actually had to chainsaw parts of it away it was that thick, I'm sure natural barriers could be much better than fencing in most places and the upkeep can't be much more work than a fence requires, it's also a natural noise barrier so another win.

[@davidwynn6832]

I paint the bottom part of the wooden post with bitumen damp proof membrane, 3 coat and 150mm up to the level above ground and concrete them in.

[@12gsxer]

I always recommend a hit and hit fence 👍👍

[@blankschematics3277]

when using spur posts. keep timber post about 50mm above ground level. Stops them rotting out.

[@SkillBuilder]

Good tip!

[@bythesea2784]

Hello there my fencing is still up it can up to 120mph wind also I use 4"x4" post and 9 ft long and the spike meter long into the ground with pebble stones one-and-a-half meter down at the bottom of the fence wire mesh with square pockets for wind to blow underneath so it never come down and it was 18 panels. I put up the fence in 1989. I cannot take all the credit my nephew and my nieces help me a proud moment when your family.

[@themodernworkshop7480]

Great video Roger, still shocked at the amount of fence posts I see embedded straight in the ground. I would always choose concrete over buried wood... That being said I'm a ground screw installer and my favourite combination is a ground screw with a DuraPost fence post on top. No concrete so easily installed by one person and it'll never crack and the DuraPosts themselves are rated at 120mph. They can also be concreted in if you don't have access to the ground screw gear. Worth a look.

[@martinjohnson9316]

All the rotting takes place from below ground level up to 150mm above (the height of rain splashing) so avoid any timber in that area, and use concrete posts and gravel boards. More expensive initially, but cheaper over time....simple.

[@omlet1231]

Been watching you since I was a kid.

[@Dan-tj7ft]

Anyone used duraposts? If so are the they any good.

[@alpachino468]

Oh crappola! We've got wooden posts for the back fence which was how it was when we moved in. I can see the fences shaking in the wind any my hands are clasped very tightly in prayer...

[@benlukins33]

Iv always used concrete posts I recommend it to every one but never say you have to have them Iv seen so many fences blown over by people cutting corners

[@petemoring67]

My old fence is one of those Cheapo's and it's the rickiest fence in the area .... It's also the ONLY one that's still standing 😃

[@bendenham4186]

It's not just privacy, fence provide a little security too... I can't help but think those panels with alternate slats are just like ladders!

[@SkillBuilder]

Good point

[@groovedwareman]

Can't you just put the slats vertically instead of horizontal?

[@thetessellater9163]

My grandad always said "Don't put wood in the ground" and "Never use wood horizontally outside".

[@core-element]

What do you think of the plastic posts? Your advice exactly what I did for the Girlfriend 4 years back, concrete, vented overlapped vertical slats.

[@SkillBuilder]

I think the plastic posts are good but they are expensive

[@core-element]

@@SkillBuilder Ones I have seen don't look recycled, very clean new looking plastic extrusion, I would have thought fence posts a great candidate for recycled plastic.

[@tonydarcy1606]

Forget the praying ! Plant a hedge that will do the job. OK, not instant, but some grow surprisingly fast, and with proper maintenance, will last longer than most fences. If you're worried about boundaries, agree them with the neighbour and put some stakes in to mark it. Good for wildlife too.

[@ruinunes8251]

I agree with you to a certain extent regarding the hedge. The issue is, you most possibly will take great care of your side of the hedge and most possibly the top too, However, the neighbours, for many different reasons don't take care of their side and it will grow a monster of a hedge making your garden a dark dungeon.

[@aaron6841]

Drive two screws number 10 or 12's into the the panel and straight into the post that will stop it coming off

[@martinknight510]

I'd go against the grain nowadays and use the galvanised duro post system, the conc posts and gravel boards are shocking lately, the amount I've had delivered like bananas or already have hair line cracks are a joke

[@Jo-xg6rk]

I use durapost too.... highly recommended and they look great

[@DanH282]

Yep second that I use duraposts. All good so far but no idea how long they will last. Being galvanised you'd expect a while. Totally agree on concrete quality decline. I removed some old concrete fence posts installed in 1950s and they were solid with virtually untouched 8mm+ rebar on each corner. Durapost I could set 3m posts by myself - doing that with concrete I'd be typing this is hospital!

[@paulkelly2882]

good man Roger, solid video, you can be sure 1,000 of people are waking up to a missing fence panel or rubbish bin 🙂

[@gdr88]

show us how to build a fence Roger!

[@Droningonuk]

Hit and miss fencing is a pain to paint I like a concrete post and closeboard panels of course the ultimate fence post is made from stainless steel.

[@TurinTuramber]

Concrete is close to perfect in the ground. I like the utility over the appearance.

[@Droningonuk]

@@TurinTuramber it's shock loading is no good and when your d*ckhead neighbour ties their Washing line to concrete posts they tend to snap.

[@ruinunes8251]

@@Droningonuk "d*ckhead neibours" Spot on

[@mikeberry81]

Where the fence post meets the ground, raise a small collar of concrete around the post and proud of the ground, so that rain water will run down the post and off, preventing it settling at the base and rotting the timber. A cost-effective method to give the post extra life.

[@henry9406]

That’s the mistake I made 😟

[@0skar9193]

Water can still penetrate at the concrete line. Better to coat with bituminous paint 1 inch above the concrete.

[@allanmanley6340]

I built my "fence" in 1994; no concrete supports; and it has survived "Eunice"........ I put hardwood posts every 180cm into the soil and screwed 360cm "rabat" (tongue and groove) wood onto them......

[@handle1196]

I'm surprised a 6ft solid fence panel lasted 37 years, i always thought even with the best installed posts the leverage from the wind would ruin something quickly

[@SkillBuilder]

If you put in a nice lump of concrete it is fine. People skimp on that.

[@celticwarrior777]

@@SkillBuilder buying more concrete lol

[@handle1196]

@@SkillBuilder i have a large fence to build on my selfbuild later next year and looked at concrete vs durapost after years of using wood posts and doijg a lot of research. Do you think a 2.4m concrete post should be deeper than 600mm or does it depend on clay level? Im into grey clay after 275mm of soil. Durapost seem a great product but more expensive and i see a weak point being neighbours hitting the bottom with a strimmer and damaging the galv finish maybe.

[@newbeginnings8566]

Is Roger's fence not blown down in the background?

[@SkillBuilder]

That is not my fence, this is a location I went to film in.

[@markrobinson1458]

My mate has a fence older than that, and still solid, treated with half old oil from his Land Rover and half industrial creosote, both now a no no

[@SkillBuilder]

Yes we can't suggest old engine oil for environmental and health reasons. Nothing can survive that mixture. I used to use it on my shed bases.

[@JustLikeBuildingThings]

Or install your posts in anchor posts secured down with m8 threaded rod into concrete pads... My fence is still standing! Do like slatted fences though very pretty.

[@SkillBuilder]

Yes that is one way of doing it for sure

[@Dragon-Slay3r]

Use a double post normally helps

[@yorki222]

My laplatch fence lasted 44 years. I replaced it last week. It cost then £450 but today £2500.

[@SkillBuilder]

I dread the day mine needs replacing but as least the posts are concrete. I keep trying to think of a way of setting new arris rails into concrete posts. I think I might get some brackers welded up and then galvanise them.

[@benrichards1]

Am I going mad or was there a video about soundproofing uploaded the other day? I can't find it.

[@SkillBuilder]

Yes you are going mad, it's official

[@benrichards1]

@@SkillBuilder 🤣👍

[@george-1961]

Hedges are strong and benefit the wildlife at the same time

[@wotcherfaz]

But when they get old and fat, and you trim them back, some conifer hedges never seem to want to be green again... Does anyone know how to encourage the foliage to return??

[@george-1961]

@@wotcherfaz conifer hedging is a difficult one. I prefer native hedges as they’re more beneficial to wildlife. Conifers need pruning regularly to maintain a green hedge. The minute you cut back into hard wood where there has been no light it will be brown. Plenty of leaf matter under the hedge to maybe give it some encouragement as the nutrients slowly breakdown. Scrape a little bark to see if the branches are green and not died off. Wild your garden by Joel Ashton gives you plenty of tips on KZbin and answers your questions.

[@george-1961]

@@wotcherfaz kzbin.info

[@wotcherfaz]

@@george-1961 Thankyou

[@giogio4833]

Cheaper to buy 3×2 and make the fence yourself cheaper than those crap panels. Old engine oil to coat it works a treat

[@SkillBuilder]

carcionegenic

[@geordiemod4149]

I'm doing a fence soon and I was thinking of painting the ground ends with bitumen paint , what do any one think. ????

[@rich3633]

Yes, I blackjack mine before they go in once I've sloped the concrete away from the post just below ground level I get the SDS out and drill a hole diagonally down through the concrete and into the post. I can then pour creosote down it every year or so that soaks into the post below ground level. I just put a wooden bung in the hole. I'm well aware you didn't ask 🤣 but you may find it useful.

[@TurinTuramber]

I have done this before. Buys some time but nothing is forever.

[@chrislc35]

yep, always do this, paint it on to around 6inches above ground level.

[@geordiemod4149]

Great 👍🏿 I'll defo coat the ends 👌 😀

[@gmarsh7873]

Black jack the post 100mm are so above the ground will stop rot

[@michaelwilliams4086]

You’re right, it’s never too soon to start saying your prayers. We all need a bit of Devine favour doing our growing list of jobs😳

[@markpointe2659]

Use Cement dye to stain concrete posts - I doubted it would work but has lasted about 8 years

[@highdownmartin]

Or black bitumen paint. Goes dark grey pretty fast and being dark you don’t see it.

[@lazylad8544]

Banding strip across the middle stops thief's. And keeps your fence up, providing you use concrete posts. Your welcomes 👍

[@TheStevenWhiting]

Just don't paint the fence that isn't yours. Unless of course you agree with the neighbour who technical owns in. Reason being they may have treated it with something that will be ruined with your paint.

[@ruinunes8251]

interesting point. Another day I saw 2 fences pretty much glued together, one was about a foot taller than the other. I was left wondering if one of the neighbours wanted a taller fence and built his fence right next to his neighbours one?

[@TheStevenWhiting]

@@ruinunes8251 Most likely. We have a neighbour who's been in hers for years and dislikes all the tall fences going up. So before we owned ours it was originally rented so she took it upon herself to put a small fence up both sides of her garden. We think the original owners of this house, the landlord, didn't want to pay for a fence so she did it herself and got to have a small one. We'd like privacy really so could put a 6ft one next to it, but have choosen not to as shes quiet and only in her garden for gardening. We also won't be here much longer.

[@ruinunes8251]

@@TheStevenWhiting I value my privacy too. I don’t really like short fences. However, if your neighbour has a short fence and you build a taller one then it may create sparks between you and the neighbour

[@TheStevenWhiting]

@@ruinunes8251 Yep we're leaving as is as we get on with her.

[@Trevor_Austin]

The point you put across was well made. However, you missed off one major thing. The householder is responsible for the structures around their property. If you have a crappy fence and it blows away and damages other people’s property, you are liable. So make sure your third party liability insurance is sufficient because someone will make a claim against it. It would be a shame to lose your house because of a cheap, crappy fence.

[@SkillBuilder]

I always miss something. That is why we employ the wisdom of crowds in the comments

[@ruinunes8251]

That would be a heck of a claim in order to loose the house because of a fence. Can we call it an "act of god"?

[@wisemanelymas]

Bellway did a shoddy job on ours and our neighbour. They returned to replace the neighbour's fence but not ours. The back yard now has a strong looking fence and sides are wobbly poor fitted fence. Anyone buying a new development from Bellway lookout for this and insist it gets sorted because we had poor service from Bellway.

[@Cagstok]

It rots at the point of contact with the ground as it is exposed to both water and oxygen, not because it wets and dries more.