Don't Starve Together's Story explained (Part Two)

PART 1 : • Don't Starve's Storyli...
Maxwell sprites by : / @meatgood
00:00 The Ancients
06:14 Forge and Gorge
11:16 Return of Them
17:39 Random theories and outro
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[@The_Wallflower]

Two words. Shrödingers Wagstaff.

[@orangedontstarve]

dont starve lore solved

[@YoussefAhmed-jd5zu]

Isn't dark magic weaker then complete control of quantum mechanics?

[@BigNorbert]

@@YoussefAhmed-jd5zu he isn’t even control of his hair

[@alamrasyidi4097]

even his playable solo version shows him fading like a hologram when he has low health. i think he somehow figured out a way to project a hologram that's capable to manipulate things as if he's actually there.

[@user-ce1zb9vb9b]

מה זה אפילו אומר

[@pintipandadandontstarvetog4016]

When you finish the Adventure Mode as Wagstaff and finishing it again he's not on the nightmare throne anymore . He literally escapes.

[@bobesponja8151]

my guess is that wagstaff just turns the hologram off

[@orangedontstarve]

Spooky

[@Autokendo17]

HOLOGRAM

[@nousername8162]

I think he knows almost everything about the constant. He was able to escape seconds after the factory fire and probably even planted the codex umbra on Maxwell

[@cyndrift]

@@nousername8162 theres also a good chance he knows how to or at least has previously taken something out of the constant, a living thing at that, considering he gives webbers dad a spider from the constant for him to research. this means it may be entirely possible to escape the constant, though it would also depend a lot on how the differing flows of time are taken into account. on one hand, potentially good news for the survivors. on the other hand, that's extra fucking evil of wagstaff that he knows people are trapped in the constant and that he could potentially end their suffering, but he appears totally uninterested and in fact uses them to forward his own ends before peacing out.

[@spacecraftthing3518]

Wurt theory rebuttal: Wurt still having horns is because she’s a young merm guard and all merm guards have horns. Wurt being smarter than other merms is because wickerbottom is teaching her.

[@bobc821]

That's a wholesome theory

[@miss-sagemoon]

Another idea is that since Wurt can read, that is allowing her to keep some connection to her past self. All the other merm lost that connection

[@peashootergaming1026]

Well if wurt victoriana has the same colour mumsy and billy and she is saying what is going on I feal strange

[@randowl404]

What if wurt is billy?

[@baldimhobalduco4367]

Thats cute

[@Danaile1]

I mean we give a lot of shit to Maxwell, he's being a pretty bad dude overall, but I think eternity of reflecting on his actions really made him a different man. He's still very flawed but he now has his place amongst the other survivors of the constant.

[@krel7160]

It's telling when his response to other characters making his mistakes is "Be careful, I know where this path ultimately ends.."

[@hamdepaf6686]

Also I we have to consider the influence of the nightmare fuel, if you look at Charlie you see how it can change/influence a person. While Charlie prolly got the short end of the stick with a more intense contact of the nightmare fuel, it is kind of amazing how well Maxwell is holding together, considering they have been stuck in the constant for the same amount of time.

[@shadowcween7890]

@@hamdepaf6686 Evil residue used by the foolish and crazy

[@secretname2670]

@@hamdepaf6686 kind of siderailing but you would not belive how much mental fortitude people working at circus or entertainment business have

[@DevDaBoss360]

Well this didn't age well lol

[@willlangdale2858]

wagstaff brought the spider from the constant, so its safe to assume he is able to leave the constant.

[@curlyhaireddevil8548]

Even in the first game wagstaff isn't even there. The lower the health the grainier his character is. Also Wagstaff was the one who gave the spider to Webber's dad, in the real world. And he has the ability to teleport through space. So he could just be exploiting the power of the constant from the real world using his teleporters.

[@Axew325Ryan]

yes

[@Thomas.P.C]

Wanda controls time; Wagstaff controls space

[@thedistinguished5255]

Personally i think charlie couldve tricked her sister, after all we only saw a glove going through wagstaffs portal while he was in another back room. Or maybe he really fell in and got out.

[@aedanpineda9109]

When you play story mode as wagstaff and complete it he’ll get stuck on the throne. But if you play again with a different character and go to the end you’ll see wagstaff just up and left the throne

[@thrillhouse2114]

@@aedanpineda9109 I was expecting this to get mentioned in the video. I think this just reinforces that Wagstaff isn't actually in the constant and that he may just be a hologram when in shown or played in the constant.

[@Blucario90]

Don't forget that the "other worlds of the constant" includes every world you make when you jump worlds. I've used the teleportato like 15 times in RoG, so I've been through a lot of worlds in the constant.

[@hollylucianta6711]

And also IIRC Klei said that when you die, you just get warped to a new world in the Constant, and that Wilson was being killed and teleported for almost ten years before he finally caught up with Maxwell.

[@Blucario90]

@@hollylucianta6711 I also bet that worlds get reused too. By that, I mean if I jump worlds, then the world probably gets "cleaned up" by the constant and is ready for the next survivor to enter.

[@DanielDornekDorda]

this could mean endless gamemode is cannon

[@mytiliss682]

@@Blucario90 skeletons with gear prove this. Though it isn't proper bones mechanic like it is in many roguelikes.

[@society1876]

@@hollylucianta6711 conclusion: wilson is shit at the game

[@nectarmouth]

I believe the reason the survivors keep helping the worst parties is because they're desperate. They've most likely have been in this word for thousands of days, barely holding on, that any chance of perhaps breaking this world will either 1) glitch them out of the constant or 2) kill them off forever so they don't have to deal with the pain anymore. It's a dark theory, but if I was one of the survivors having to deal with this torture on a daily basis, you really don't have anything to lose anymore except finally going home.

[@loap4634]

Or because they just don't know and just accidentally help the worst party, I mean the ancient fuelweaver is trying to kill them so, of course, they will fight it and they don't know Wagstaff's intention he seems just like a jolly old man and one of the survivors is Wagstaff's employee so of course, they will help him. Also, they don't seem that desperate some of them even look happy and they probably didn't die that often after the vanilla Don't starve.

[@loap4634]

I personally believe that the constant isn't that bad I mean if the Pig, Merm, And the Bunnymen can live in it Then humans can probably live in it too, I mean it got a lot of beautiful fauna and flora, they got plenty of food, interesting terrain from the forest to the cave and beyond the coastal sea. there is even an island perfect for a vacation with a lot of friendly locals to help, you only die if you stupid, there all year round rain, giant corp and a lot of local holidays yes, you may go insane but it's almost impossible to do if you know what you're doing, also there got like 18 people so it's not that hard to survive.

[@smaragdchaos]

I find it hard to believe they're desperate when they're complacent enough to be picky eaters

[@coolmansogreat]

@@smaragdchaos i'd be a picky eater too when all i keep getting is rabbit meat for breakfast, lunch, and dinner.

[@smaragdchaos]

@@coolmansogreat That would mean that they're actually pretty complacent and not desperate

[@eleos5]

I think the darkness after killing the celestial champion is only 1 day because it's the moon's champion, not the moon itself. It had to muster a lot of its energy to create it and the moon has to take a whole day just to get its energy back to where it was.

[@randowl404]

1 day is so specific tho, i think that would be weird

[@parmie1001]

@@randowl404 it's probably just like that because of gameplay convenience

[@loap4634]

​@@parmie1001 No I think it's just one day because the moon will be glassed over after you defeat the celestial champion, like it has been sealed and/or healing over you can still see that the moon still has the electric static that the storm has. Also if the ancients worshiped the moon it wouldn't have died that easily.

[@reynaldoponce2062]

@@loap4634 retry this, but in English smh

[@randowl404]

@@parmie1001 exactly

[@pumpkingamebox]

Wagstaff is a foil to Wilson. An actual smart inventor with a plan. Unlike Wilson.

[@secretname2670]

Wagstaff is wilson from future? Theory confirmed?

[@zixvirzjghamn737]

@@secretname2670 it would make sense if Wilson manages to learn from his experience in the constant

[@poggletheanimator]

@secretname2670 I guess but wagstaffs first name is Robert

[@willow5945]

@@poggletheanimator "Robert Wagstaff" is obviously a pseudonym. When Wilson escaped the Constant and travelled backwards in time, he re-invented himself, taking on the persona of that cool old man he met all those years ago.

[@poggletheanimator]

@@willow5945 That would be cool

[@GrantTheMedic]

Moon in Dst: **magic planet that literally made Wormwood** Moon in Terraria: **planet of the all powerful Moon Lord** Moon in real life: **rocc**

[@lord_ozymandias]

i always saw wormwood as the moon just testing what it could create with the energy it has. he was like a test run before the power really got amped up so he’s not even the most impressive creation the moon has lined up most likely

[@RandomArtist7]

A big chonk of rocc

[@footisman2059]

Moon in minecraft: A bunch of pixels

[@mishagaming1075]

@@footisman2059 You forgot the space mods!

[@spongytrout7462]

@@mishagaming1075 I feel like that doesn’t count

[@stick3448]

I don't think the Fuelweaver is actually one of the rulers, considering how close he looks to the skeleton of darkness summoned in the mural, and how he's revived using a heart from the shadow creatures. My theory is that he's a protector created by Metheus, revived to see the civilization he was made for destroyed, and then he sees these idiots trying to rebuild the portal that killed all the people he was sworn to protect

[@zaiden_2006]

the line of “My City… in tatters” kind of disapproves of this theory but I still like the idea of it.

[@BBSSAKitchen2]

@@zaiden_2006 I mean yeah but like it is his city, the one he was to protect. The place he spent his time protecting, gone.

[@mishagaming1075]

@@BBSSAKitchen2 And even more betrayal is that he realised the city was destroyed by the thing they used to create him.

[@soumyadip5434]

A thing you missed with Wurt is that she isnt the only merm with horns. The warrior merms also have horns.

[@Grimm_Orlando]

Maybe all pigs transformed by gnaw in the gorge became regular merms, and all goats became warrior merms? And maybe Wurt is a goat child that we see in gorge

[@soulbound2]

Also one of wurts costume is her as a goat

[@neneme4444]

@@soulbound2 and her tail has scales but hands dont. Like she is turning into a merm but still didnt

[@Shoeconsumer]

@@Grimm_Orlando explains some stuff since the goats seem to be smarter and better than the pigs themselves.

[@crazyguy9513]

she is a vegetarian.... like a goat

[@sherlokjaaj1382]

There is something on the wiki that says that when wortox was released, his speech file contained a file called NEXTCHARACTER wich contained wortox's examination of a goat-like character. Knowing that wurt was the next character after wortox (I think) it might confirm that she is a goat.

[@pizza9281]

good video orange, you mentioned everything there is to the game, cant wait for 20 years, when the dont starve togethers lore is done, I will remember you, when the time comes and the lore is to an end.

[@sirthanksalot97]

Wagstaff *could* be talking from a time before he was trapped. The Constant doesn't play by the rules of linear time after all, and things occur before and after they do in the real world at either seemingly random - or in an order manipulated by Them. There's a good chance the transmission is from his experimentation time way, way back, while he himself *could* possibly be in there already... Or long gone.

[@loap4634]

Well if that is true then where is Wagstaff now?

[@adamsantamaria4914]

According to me wagstaff resembles Wilson so likeeeeeee could they be the same person?

[@sirthanksalot97]

@@loap4634 As I said, he could technically simultaneously be in the Constant *and* have the transmission occur from *before* he entered it. The Constant does not work by standard time, so occurences could very easily overlap.

[@Jinjetica]

@@adamsantamaria4914 omg 0_0

[@webberdontstarve7017]

​@@adamsantamaria4914 That would explain why Wagstaff is the only character pulled into the constant who isn't playable, they would turn Wilson into Wagstaff when it's time for a rework of him.

[@ikefignewton9304]

15:38 I do believe Wagstaff is not actually in the constant at all, as in one of Hamlet's patch notes, it describes Wagstaff as a "mysterious inventor who finds himself exactly where he wants to be." Furthermore, in Hamlet when Wagstaff takes damage he gets grainier, and his voice gets quieter and lower pitched. Also, Wagstaff is playable in don't starve, and since he wakes up on the ground rather then coming through the portal, this means that Wagstaff traveled between different constants completely by himself without the help of an fancy ancient gateway or Florid Postern, which is impossible, right? UNLESS he was never actually in the constant to begin with. Not only that, but when he takes damage in the original don't starve, he also gets grainier and his voice get quieter and lower pitched. I think that proves that Wagstaff was never really in the constant. Therefore, it was probably just a plot-hole.

[@beyondgreed]

But how does he knows everything in the constant, it could be that he was there, but he is the first one to escape

[@ratonero500]

In webber tráiler,we see that waggstaff gave a constant spider to webber father,that means that waggstaff has managed to get physicall objects in and out the constant,without any kind of intervention of constant "leaders"(charlie and before,maxwell)so probably he developed a technology capable of letting him explore and interact with the constant without actually being in it,also maybe he is in the constant,but he got himself a safe spot unknown to the survivors,and he is transmitting his holograms all over the constant.

[@mishagaming1075]

@@ratonero500 Wait actually the safe spot idea is cool, cause in one of the adventure mode chapters maxwell sends you to a world with 2 sides of a sword, a really good side and a bad side, separated by a wormhole, maybe he's staying in the first side, who knows?

[@__-nt2wh]

You said the same thing twice

[@rigleighfeild]

it sounds more like he is stuck in between worlds, and just projecting himself to where he needs to be while existing in a partial transitory state. Like schoedingers cat is most likely is. the fact that he fades as he takes damage is a good hint that his projection of will is becoming more desync'd with the reality it is inhabiting.

[@zoohomeson6592]

11:48 here’s an extremely cool detail that I never realized. The waves when the moon island is falling to earth are the original don’t starve/early dst ones but when it hits the water they turn into to more modern and smooth looking waves we have today. Like dang klei you didn’t have to be this clever.

[@paxtonl1330]

As much as I miss the old waves, it’s really cool they acknowledged the change like

[@zoohomeson6592]

@@paxtonl1330 agreed

[@NickAndriadze]

*17:22* This is the most ''Villain pretending to be a nice guy to gain your trust and make you help him do his evil deeds, making you think that you are doing good things while in reality you are just helping the villain take over the world or something'' thing I have ever heard.

[@trollinsky6700]

Wagstaff really went: *Help me build this machine so I can take it and you get nothing, ok? Ok.*

[@awildpiggo]

15:39 that plot hole could be solved with the idea of multiple worlds within in the Constant. Considering Wagstaff already learned to create his own machinery with the materials of the Constant (as seen in DS where he can craft exclusive gadgets that aid him in fights, survival and foraging), I suspect that Wagstaff simply landed in another world of the Constant, and made a machine specifically to pinpoint the location of other survivors to help him in whatever he’s planning. The transmission would then be grainy due to the effect that travelling between worlds would most likely have on a projected image.

[@Boooiiiiii]

Tbh he would prob be in hamlet world

[@dasarath5779]

the whole thing with merms "jumping into the water and travelling to a destination" is from the hp lovecrafts the shadow over innsmouth. where the human hybrid deep ones there travel to devils reef once theyve reached adult hood. very nice

[@schlimer]

The wurt theory is kind of a confusing thing cause merms aren't completely hostile, at the presence of a merm king merms will actually be peaceful to other players that and merm guards also have horns as well so it is entirely possible that wurt is just a young merm guard

[@reynaldoponce2062]

I think that the merm king is that pig elder shit and remember elder said he doesn't know what will they react if he isn't there

[@schlimer]

And one more thing it could have something to do with wurt (I think) being the only female which could have some effect on her intelligence or is what makes her much less hostile

[@Jinjetica]

@@schlimer how do you know the gender of merms??? 0_o

[@schlimer]

@@Jinjetica i said i think not that i know

[@zixvirzjghamn737]

@@Jinjetica we don't know the gender of other merms, however I theorize that they have no gender until they turn into a king, which allows them to change their gender. (like frogs in jurassic park) we also know that wurt is a girl. it may be possible that wurt is the ONLY merm child in existence, and thus has some changes, as instead of being a goat who morphed into a fish, wurt was always a fish. another thing that's being passed around is that wurt may be actually turning BACK INTO A GOAT.

[@bkbk2117]

The character always being "pawns" for evil plans fits in well with the chess theme

[@somuchtocook9159]

Yeah but we are definitely missing the king of the board still

[@miaashford9625]

@@somuchtocook9159 Well, the King used to be Maxwell. But now, with the white side representing Alter and the dark side being the Nightmare Creatures, who the King is no longer matters. After all, the eye in the portal and Alter are the ones playing this game of chess.

[@somuchtocook9159]

@@miaashford9625 maybe that’s true but the only thing about a standard game of chess is the number and type powerful pieces and the number of pawns on each side

[@Jakeyosaurus]

Great video, enjoy these lore videos mr orange man!

[@tbadventures1650]

we enjoy your speedruns mr trex man

[@TookiTanuki]

So… when’s Wes vs all bosses mr trex speed run man?

[@mishagaming1075]

@@TookiTanuki He's probably practicing, wes is a challenge character.

[@inkedunder]

Im moving out with my girl soon and she's super excited to show me this game, i didnt wanna be a useless boyfriend so this was real helpful to catch me up on the lore! Thanks man :)

[@Bob-yb5om]

Thank you for explaining all this for those of us who consider surviving a week in the Constant to be a nigh impossible challenge. The lore of this game had always been very fascinating to me, but my survival skills were never up to it.

[@Bluetheshroom]

I just love how our character do all this hard work to kill the end game bosses to just be proved that they helped the wrong team lol

[@DatBoi05]

When wortox examines the ancient gateway he says ''The thing i hopped through'' so does that mean he came from the forge world/dimension

[@BBSSAKitchen2]

likely because remember pugna from the forge looks similar and that also means krampus might be from the forge so the portal might be functional on both ends entirely at some point, that or what ever the heck the weird shadow god thing missed him when it banished the rest of them according to pugna.

[@pico1136]

Theres an theory that the ancients go underground due to the gnaw (We can see a moving circle thingy), it would explain why there are some merms on the constant.

[@pico1136]

Also Metheus may have been predecessor to Maxwell on the throne considering we see him on the throne.

[@Imperio_Otomano_the_realest]

@@pico1136 between 0 and 0 people sat on the throne before maxwell.

[@hellfooliver1497]

@@Imperio_Otomano_the_realest how do you know?

[@pico1136]

@@Imperio_Otomano_the_realest You're wrong, if Maxwell released the Metheus, Metheus could ghost the Shadow Skeleton in the video, which makes sense considering we see him on the throne.

[@Imperio_Otomano_the_realest]

@@hellfooliver1497 i don't remember actually. just pretty sure it's a klei interview. wiki page for nightmare throne trivia: According to a Rhymes with Play livestream, "between zero and zero" people sat on the Shadow Throne before Maxwell (meaning that he was the first to sit on the Throne), but that many people came after him

[@ooofexe7210]

The wurt is a goat theory was disproved by the devs sadly, she's just a young guard merm. Why she's smarter than other merms, no idea. The gorge merms are her ancestors.

[@pingapong64]

She's smarter because wickerbotton is teaching her.

[@alexmoore6873]

Wanda also has a quote about the atrium thulecite statues, implying they are the bodies of the ancients, "A frozen moment in ancient history." So perhaps the statues are what is left of their bodies, or what happened to the moon-worshiping ancients. Interestingly, the "random boss in the corner", the Ancient Guardian, resembles both the clockwork Rook and the crawling horror. And Maxwell calls it "old friend", implying it is or at least used to be intelligent. Perhaps the ancient guardian's species lived alongside the bug-looking guys, or is an even older species. Also, Wagstaff isn't necessarily the one being pulled in during Winona's short. And with Wanda here...time travel is an option. Especially since she seems to have met Wilson, Willow, and Maxwell before. Just some thoughts, great video OrangE!!!

[@orangedontstarve]

I hate to say this, but the guy in the portal is definitely wagstaff. The Winona compendium entry alludes to this saying that he vanished on the day the factory burned down. Where else could he have gone if not through the portal?

[@alexmoore6873]

@@orangedontstarve Fair question and I can only speculate, perhaps he didn't want his work slowed down by the legal issues of people "dying" in his factory's fire and went to work in some secondary lab. The influence of Them is known for making people obsessive and insane, so he could just be hiding away. I think the fact that the person disappearing's face was not shown and the fact that Winona's compendium also calls the person "someone" would be really lame and poor story-telling if they were just red herrings. I think and hope Klei's better than that. Regardless, hopefully we both get told the truth of the matter in less two years hahaha

[@juanruiz2684]

the "end" of the game will probably be both nightmare creatures/charlie vs wagstaff or most likely us being manipulated into being in the side of wagstaff since that already hapened once so we have to fight the evil to let the possible evil win

[@sr.guelis3751]

God i was waiting this for some time thanks for more one part of this materpeace

[@rolfo728]

Orange man, I gotta say you've been spitting out some top quality content lately

[@mishagaming1075]

I'm happy that comments like these baiting for likes are in the bottom.

[@averagespider417]

I was looking through the wiki and saw that when Wagstaff examines the wooden thing he says that he has a similar design of it but with no runes. Does that mean that Wagstaff has abilities that rival the power of nightmare fuel?

[@tandorgamash]

You can Craft a Teleporting Device in DS Hamlet if you play as Wagstaff, he his a rival to the nightmare fuel.

[@rinastar1952]

Wurt's transformation could have been halted by leaving the sky worm's area of influence.

[@zarrg5611]

I think the Merms might have more complexity than you describe - the merms in the regular constant still have basic intelligence, perhaps a bit below that of the pigs. We see far more intelligent pigs in Hamlet, and how did the Gorge merms travel between worlds?

[@jacksonreidy3091]

One of the merms say that "The sick ones hop in to the sea" or something like that, then washing up on the shore of the mainland.

[@raglock1433]

i wouldnt say you power up the moon by building the triangle of altars waking it up or catching its attention would be more accurate i think

[@shieko3622]

15:36 OR he escaped the constant, hes been shown to be able to escape the nightmare thrown and was a transmission in solo dont starve, so its quite likely that he managed to escape from the constant off screen and is projecting himself back in for experiments

[@Imperio_Otomano_the_realest]

or it's the hologram entering in the next kin short too

[@-_No_-]

I think Wagstaff had a plan for how to get back before he built the portal.

[@monroerobbins7551]

13:43 there’s the cutest mob ever, the moth dudes. :) 15:44 but here’s one theory: the person sucked into the portal isn’t Wagstaff. Wagstaff’s outfit is a blue shirt, with rolled up sleeves, and no gloves. It seems the person sucked in is a worker: same white blouse, same yellow gloves. I don’t think it was Wagstaff, it just doesn’t fit, outfit wise. Plus, the fact that we see Wagstaff giving Webber’s dad a Constant spider, I think that hints at him being able to go back and forth, or in the very least, he’s able to grab objects and take them, like a spider egg or something. Edit: I watched Orange’s latest theory video… and I’m still unsure. Why would a hologram be sucked into the portal, why would the hologram even be there, I don’t get it

Idk why he even thought that was Wagstaff to begin with, always assumed it was a worker

[@FIamestalker]

The Moon, Alter, might be related to the Gnaw or have similar powers, as Wurt and the other Merms react aggressively to the moonwave that's reaches them during the Eye of the Storm trailer. Its unclear to me if they're just angry at its activation or turned mindlessly aggressive, perhaps your theory of Wurt turning on the other survivors already happened canonically...

[@walmartiancheese4922]

Finally maxwell dont starve lore 😍😍

[@Isaac_646]

It seems that ancient fuelweaver is a ghostly version of Methius. He created a skeleton if he died and could come back. But after the darkness ruined their civilization, and he sees the players trying to turn it back on hes like "Guys don't do this you will destroy the rest of this place!"

[@muircatcattius9223]

dang this was very entertaining to watch and ya kept me going through the entire video. Well done

[@nightwatch3889]

YES!! Now I have some game lore to listen to finally!! I love game lore more than anything else

[@ikefignewton9304]

The ancient fuelweaver is probably Cyclum because if you leave the arena he takes out the ancient key while saying, "Methius... Please."

[@frtnac2948]

I rather think its the skeleton Methius made to protect the place

[@YoneWeek]

have you guys ever noticed in don't starve when you quit the game it says "Maxwell will miss you" and in DST it says "Charlie will miss you". I didn't know when i first started playing but it make so much sense now

[@-_No_-]

Wagstaff probably used the same technology he used to take things from the constant to the real world to take him from the constant back. He is smart so I don't think he made a portal without a backup plan incase something went wrong. Or the Wagstaff Winona tried to save was the hologram. It was never explained how Wagstaff got the hologram to the constant.

[@BrodieMurphy-bl9zb]

It couldn't have been the hologram because she managed to take its glove off.

[@boost_inferno]

Very interesting, once again, well done. Informative, and entertaining! I must say though, the fact that these portals lead to very different areas could mean a number of things. Perhaps the constant is more than just a planet or plain of existence. This could be a collection of varying dimensions(something of that sort), or at least, some areas are. Seeing the shorts on Hamlet and Shipwrecked, it's clear that those two areas are connected in some way to the main area(s). However, it could be possible that other places like the Gorge, Forge, and worlds from solo like in the final area with the nightmare throne are some sort of pocket realm, perhaps existing in different times too. I'd go into more depth, but this is a KZbin comment section. All in all, good stuff. Looking forward to more content too!

[@dosrai]

12:48 these past days i was having a conversation with my family, and somehow we started to talk about things that people believed in the past, like in what stage of the moon you have to plant, i dont remeber everything (was a lot of information), but i remember they saying when it is full moon you plant things that produces "head", like lettuce, and when is waning moon u have to plant things that produces inside the earth, like carrots, cassava and potatoes. At one point we change the subject to medicine, the modern medicine doesnt require a specific stage of the moon to consume, but the tradional medicine does, and they said it is waning moon, while we were talking about that my great granmother told us to never use tradicional medicine in new moon, i was curious and asked her why, she answered something like "os vermes se revoltam e sobem" (the worms revolt and rise, literally google translation, no ideia how to express this in english) i think klei just implemented a mysticism that exist in real life in the game. The shadow bosses will remain under ground until they can "revolt" and come to surface, where they will posses their respective statues. Would be cool if in the new moon more shadow creatures appears in the world XD Thats it, just a information that i thought interesting and wanted to share.

[@OfficialThatOneGuy]

Huh. Interesting.

[@Naokarma]

I feel Wurt is actually the opposite of your idea, possibly, and is actually a merm that is partially less cursed, and has a bit of goat seaping through, granting her actual intelligence.

[@bobesponja8151]

my theory about wagstaff is this: wagstaff has discovered how to use holograms to manipulate them physically, and he has traveled several holograms to the constant to get some of it's resources like the spider from the constant that made that young kid what we now know as webber, but then when the winona's video shows up, we can see wagstaff being taken to the constant, meaning that wagstaff's technology won't help him gathering resources from the constant to the normal world, but i guess wagstaff uses his holograms because he isn't sure if he can get back from the dead like the other survivors, so he decides to use of his creations to bring him some projects resources or just stuff for keeping him alive.

[@bigchungusfan3]

Bob esponja

[@bobesponja8151]

@@bigchungusfan3 ajnopse boB

[@Dinoninety]

Maxwell is the kindest character

[@ripleyandweeds1288]

Some corrections and my thoughts -Metheus didn't create the Clockworks, you call the tech he creates 'Clockworks' but the clockworks were created by Maxwell. -I kinda think that the Nightmare Creatures aren't the Ancients. I personally think that the darkness that ruined their civilization and the things that came out of the portal they had to close were the Nightmare Creatures. Also the Ancients are very clearly bug people and assumedly have insect anatomy, hence why they didn't leave behind any bones because...well insects don't _have_ bones. I could also see that the whole 'Shed their skins' was them adapting to underground life. But this is just me theorizing -I wouldn't say the survivors are stupid, more just that they're kind of used to this shit by now. Like they know they're basically trapped in hell and that death has no meaning. It is literally the game's endless nature as a part of the lore. Same reason why they help any random person they see, even if they're very sus. Like they accepted Maxwell into their group and that old codger brought them there, if I were in their position I'd help anybody if it meant I had the tiniest sliver of a chance at freedom. -Its actually a big theory that Wagstaff was never in the Constant to begin with. As when he loses more and more health he sounds more faded like he's just one big hologram. Plus he just straight up vanishes from the Nightmare Throne if you beat Adventure mode as him and then replay it with another character, and the only real way he'd be able to do that is if he was never really in the Constant to begin with. -I highly doubt the moon is 'dead'. As the boss you fight is just the moon's 'champion'. Plus Klei hasn't really made a gameplay change that isn't directly tied to the story and vice versa. -Your theory on Wurt succumbing to what is basically dementia is something I never thought about and its also super fucking depressing. Like as somebody who had a family member with dementia it's haunting to be around them as they forget everything about themselves.

[@mishagaming1075]

It's likely that the ancients made their own clockworks (which is why there are clockworks in the ruins) and maxwell just copied those clockworks cause yes.

[@MaxwellE985]

@@mishagaming1075 maxwell be like: ctrl c ctrl v

[@bloomingbluex1750]

7:43 woah, official lore, wilson is a rook

[@yaimasanchez8440]

I rewatched part 1 one randomly and I check his channel and well here's part 2

[@MrRatchet12661]

Back in 2015 I didn't knew Don't Starve had any lore outside Winston being tricked by Maxwell and even then, my knowledge was nothing compared to today. Who would have guessed this series would have evolved into something so grand?

[@peanutsveryepicchannel8699]

"It's not like doing that would ever give her any kind of power" -OrangE, Pre-Return Of Them: Terrors Below

[@seanpawn4549]

Something I think wasn't considered at 3:55 . Darkness is the absence of light, eg. a shadow. The shadow creature on the right is a literal shadow of the ancient that the statue is based on. Just like how when you make a shadow puppet, things can be easily twisted. It's also why the little light creatures can easily kill them. How do you get rid of a shadow? Expose it to light of course. But the trick is, since it's a "special" kind of darkness (maybe like the darkness shown in the ancient murals?) it needs a special kind of light. Also the Ancient Fuelweaver is DEFINITELY the same skeleton at 1:34 maybe it's some kind of guardian? I think Charlie/them and Alter are sort of in some stalemate. Light and darkness are trying to overpower each other and the Constant is their arena.

[@mr.butterkins2256]

although to be fair, covid hit during those two years, so it could be only a year, although we can't really know for sure until it happens

[@bigchungusfan3]

When wurt makes a merm king, all merms become neutral to players, it probably makes the merms "intelligent" again and i think that will prevent wurt from becoming an aggressive merm

[@Imperio_Otomano_the_realest]

or this entire thing is just wrong and the merms from gorge can't be the same as on the mainland. like, a plagued merm made a think tank and used 200000 years to get to the mainland? that's kinda bullshit. the merms there have to be different.

[@bigchungusfan3]

@@Imperio_Otomano_the_realest now i think the king only commands the merms so they dont attack

[@bigchungusfan3]

Also this is probably why you can not become "strong" wurt in the caves when there is a king in the surface

[@Imperio_Otomano_the_realest]

@@bigchungusfan3 i think the caves not powering wurt is just a gameplay jank. we don't need lore for every single thing.

[@bigchungusfan3]

@@Imperio_Otomano_the_realest ik xd

[@gglanouille3060]

In my opinion, Wagstaff did fell into the constant (willingly, as he built the portal itself, and it's not a machine looking like the portal created by Wilson under the influence of Maxwell to get into the constant. He may be here with a purpose. We know that he's assistant went into the constant looking for secret knowledge and power in here (WX), possibly lured here by Maxwell. So he could have spent he's time looking for definitive solution to stop "Them". Getting in, and capture the power of the light into a huge Mecha Gundam style to fight the incarnation of the shadow is freaking cool in my opinion. The players cannot meet it directly, only see it's hologram, because he already went into the next dimension (through the moon portal that has no use for now, maybe, where he could plan its actions and research for a way to get the power of freeing the constant and possibly his ex-assistant and friend.

[@LaserDroid]

They theories do lead to a conclusion that the story events of DST are very closely related to the five act structure of the original game. In the last level before you meet Maxwell, it's complete darkness, just like after helping Wagstaff. The next update will be the final update, where Charlie has stepped though the portal into the 'FINAL' chapter.

[@grimm3641]

Can't believe it took me so long to notice that wurt has horns

[@sphemTBB]

Keep making videos, you are amazing!

[@shivanSpS]

18:45 - Well we first see Wurt following a bunch of Merms, there are very strong hints there that the others Merms she was following is other people she knew or they were her parents. That said, maybe reading the books slows down or completely stalls the transformation process.

[@bluetiger2468]

Great job on this video! I'm a person who played a lot of Don't Starve in the past and recently got into it again, but I never really cared about the story. I've been watching some of your content and decided to click on this video. Don't Starve's story is quite interesting, thank you for making a video explaining it.

[@7Roxer]

Thanks for this video. The lore of this game is so good, but for some reason it's hard to find a video on it.

[@_____________311]

My favorite character has to be Charlie, say what you will about her but she went from a magicians clueless assistant to a intelligent girl boss who took over a dimension and enslaved the very man who trapped them both here. She is not only watching us all play but she is determining what’s happening to us in the game. Also her animation is just ✨✨

[@supreetmavintop1829]

I think she is trying to confront the people called "Them" to do something about the current situation

[@testerwulf3357]

She actually seems to have 2 sides; the girl boss steal the throne one and the kinder one, but the more dark girlboss side is def winning so far (it caused her to suck her own sister into that hellhole of a world)

[@WhiteKitsuneKnight]

I think that with introducing Wurt, they retconned a bunch about the merms, such as how instead of having a craving for/eating fish, the merms think fish are cute pets and will become horrified if you murder one. When observing wurt's quotes she says that the merms have legends about a giant mouth in the sky, meaning that the mainland merms are not only aware of the Gnaw, but have enough sentience pass it down to their youngsters in stories (whether these kids were born as goats or merms is another question entirely). Obviously these quotes are unimplemented since I don't think she wasn't released when the Gorge came out, but it's interesting that Klei included them at all. Wurt's intelligence is definitely an interesting point, bc even barring the book thing, she has a lot of very helpful quotes concerning the plants of the constant, which i imagine she must have learned from her older merm cohorts (saying red mushrooms aren't safe to eat, explaining how to harvest a mandrake properly, etc.) Love the theories! A really nice opportunity to pick at the brain!

[@jamqqq319]

About freaking time you put out part two :)

[@Somebodythatlikesgames]

I don't think that winona took the hand of wagstaff. It's so strange that he really doesn't show the face.

[@rolay7730]

I wish they would add some of the Forge/Gorge content into the main game. They made both of those events cannon to the story and the mother goat said she would follow us through the portal. They could just add islands with forge and gorge mobs. It seems like an easy way to implement them and the gorge island was already pretty small compared to the lunar island.

[@lechampi5324]

DsT is a constant fight between light and darkness, and the characters are chess pieces in their hands. Very cool.

[@VidalMoon]

I'm surprised that the lore is still ongoing. I'm glad they're still work on this game.

[@bluyou69420]

I have a feeling Waxe guy isn't often seen in other animations he's just going out chopping til he's dropping which explains why his animation is him already in the constant fighting the tree guardian like a familiar foe. I could also be absolutely wrong.

[@pustota7254]

Willy?

[@swiyss]

who the fuck is Willy?

[@bluyou69420]

@@pustota7254 my bad his name is actually Waxe Guy

[@bluyou69420]

@@swiyss my bad his name is actually Waxe Guy

[@pustota7254]

@@bluyou69420 Waxe guy?

[@OfficialThatOneGuy]

8:45 YOOOO OrangE SMP reference.

[@rasqille]

12:19 you feel an evil presence watching you

[@thewolfofthestars1847]

I prefer to believe Wagstaff really only borrowed the moon's light for a day before giving it back. He just needed to run a few experiments, he didn't care for endless power or anything, was just messing around for a little bit.

[@blacklight683]

Him:I will save you from destroying the world Willson : 👁👄👁portal=good

[@lisreal1958]

I personally have theory of Wagstaff being trapped in Maxwell's constant while everyone else is in Charlie's version of the constant, this could also be applicable for all the other Hamlet and shipwrecked characters not in dont starve together yet

[@Ty-om6nn]

I theorize the Codex Umbra was essentially a log of the ancient's research of nightmare fuel before they fully became the shadow monsters considering how just about everything involving the book is related with the shadows and nightmare fuel. As to how it made its way outside of the constant in the desert, I have no clue. Maybe it had something to do with that gateway but I'm not sure.

[@Ty-om6nn]

I'm returning to expand a bit more as a sort of fun little thing to think about, I feel like who the ancient fuelweaver is, well, kind of in the name a fuel weaver, I theorize he was possibly one of the lead researchers into nightmare fuel (which could explain why he says "my city" since his research basically made the city into what it was) and had extensive knowledge on the effects of nightmare fuel, the reason why he has some of those voice lines is because he knows the horrors he's created due to his work on nightmare fuel and he didn't want other souls to meet a similar fate he did along with the other ancients

[@bastvdk5739]

Yeees I've been waiting for that video!

[@tristanhalbert5813]

4:25 Honestly this section sums up why I tragically dislike don't starve. I want to like it, I really do- but the game first goes out of its way to tell you not to fight things, because it won't end well. The controls don't make it an attractive option, your stats are always pathetic, all your weapons require something you've never seen from somewhere that you've never been, and combat is essential to survival, to completing the game. Everything is needlessly convoluted, the game goes out of its way to not tell you what's happening, what to do- which kinda sucks when I achieve subsistence farming on a heavily modified world and then get bored because I can't fight anything and I don't have anywhere to go but slightly more efficient and secure subsistence farming. When games try to teach you things; they do it by showing you the results of your natural experimentation, good ones do at least. Don't starve shows you that everything you do ends poorly. If don't starve were a story, I'd be head over heels, but it's the cruelest game I've ever seen, and I've no desire to go back.

[@prismacan7752]

There's a line between "No hand-holding here! You gotta go out and explore! Learn about this fascinating world and the game as you play through it! It makes playing the game more satisfying and fun, see?" and "Because of how little we tell you and how much trial and error you need to go through to nail down a basic understanding of a certain element of this game, you will spend most of the time playing either having no idea what to do, or making zero progress towards (insert end goal here)". Don't Starve dances on that line WAY too much, and unfortunately, it falls onto the worse side more than it should. That's not saying that DS never hits the good side with the "don't tell them much" design idea (it does actually do it a fair amount, and it's great when it works, so I think that saying "everything you do ends poorly" is exaggerating it a little bit) or that it falls onto the worse side more than it does the good, it's just that you'll run into that kind of problem more times and for a longer period of time than what most would consider "acceptable" in a game, for a lack of better words. Usually a game's wiki or community should just be a quick, easy, and optional way to gain an understanding of something in said game if I don't want to bother checking it out for myself, not the only reasonable way. Sure, I could waste hours and hours and hours and hours and hours of my life trying to figure out how Deerclops works or where all of the cool content of the game is, but that's not reasonable in the slightest. In situations like that, the only way you could not want to drop the game is to have prior knowledge, or to jump into the community and look at all the details they've bundled up about this particular element of the game that you would've spent hours not enjoying trying to figure it out for yourself. If it wasn't for that, more people would be getting into Don't Starve, and a LOT more people would be STAYING in Don't Starve. If you take the occasional peek at the game's wiki or decide to go on a reading spree about everything in the game, then you'll be able to get over Don't Starve's biggest obstacle, and then actually start playing (and enjoying!) the game. At that point the only thing stopping you is the game itself just being difficult in the form of resource management, combat (which actually has its own issues too), planning, ect. I REALLY hope Klei is able to do something about this for DST, because not only does it turn away many players from the rest of the game, but the need of having to constantly open up the wiki is not only boring and unfun itself, but it also takes away from the satisfaction of figuring things out yourself. A middle-ground between "not easy to the point that everything is directly handed to me", and "not hard to the point where I'd spend hours figuring a single thing out for myself". Any time I recommend DST to anyone, it always comes with the warning that they should always check the wiki if they get stumped on anything. I want to have to stop doing that.

[@202cardline]

Guys...I'm starting to think Wagstaff might be a bad guy

[@OfficialThatOneGuy]

There's literally an entire video about this: kzbin.info/www/bejne/nInKY6qZmJyrqsU

[@smokyeggs1059]

Love the series and the channel. Keep up the good work man!

[@gavinbrock1970]

nice little big planet reference at 11:20 . those always make me happy

[@Blane811]

About the Wurt theory killing everyone... in all the animations shes shown as living far away from the survivors, so I doubt that she's even allied with the survivors.

[@ber7967]

isnt it possible that merms can just have children? plus warrior merms have horns (wurt is a young warrior merm)

[@-_No_-]

Probably true but that's the boring answer.

[@ber7967]

@@-_No_- fair

[@linkcorriere846]

I would normally put the blame on Charlie for the DST story but it's probably the Constant's or the throne's fault for all of this to happen. I don't think Charlie instantly agreed to become the shadow monster and I think it took quite a while for the Constant and *Them* to fully corrupt her mind, making her accept her position as the shadow monster.

[@AEther0238]

On a more upbeat theory, it is also possible that Wurt will not continue to progress into full Mermhood, simply because she's no longer near the Gnaw, and may no longer be under it's influence. Mostly I just wanna believe that cause Wurt's just so gosh darn cute and I'd hate to see her progress into a Merm.

[@IDoNotFeelCreative]

I really like Orange's videos. I dunno, his voice and presentation just give me nihilist apathy vibes mixed with like a rainbow or something

[@orangedontstarve]

I like this description

[@Nanoooy]

OrangE videos keep getting better and better

[@orangedontstarve]

thanks ive been trying

[@liamwalker7268]

klei making the wagstaff thing in 2 years you said is basically just "wow klei, really cool what you did, whens the next content update coming?" keli: "see you in 5 years"

[@yorukhandenizoncu9588]

"Since... EVER" That just made my day! 🤣😂

[@gaminggeckos4388]

5:06 Personally, I disagree. While this idea is certainly possible, I believe it's more likely that Fuelweaver was some sort of ancient knight of sorts, summoned by Methues to protect the city, as seen in the mural.

[@valentijnkoot2277]

Whatever the finale is, in DST chess is a recurring theme. And the players, we are the pawns. Charlie is the queen (or rather the king). Who’s on the other side of the board, and is either party up to any good? (Alas Charlie’s innocence is long gone a dead)

[@cookieelement3467]

"DO NOT UNDER ANY CIRCUMSTANCE CHECK THE DESCRIPTION" This can't stop me, I'm a moron!

[@cookieelement3467]

Was not disappointed

[@siouk4979]

Thank you for the lore orange man it was great to watch