‘Don’t think that’s relevant’: Bolt and Kenny clash on Indigenous Voice to Parliament

[@DJ-yj1vg]

I tried tutoring aborigines in high school with a government assisted program. The student never turned up, twice. I was going to be paid $50/hr, $30/hr more than the going rate. But he didn't care, because he wasn't paying: the taxpayer was. When you don't pay, you don't care. I told the agency and they insisted that I just take the money, but I refused and quit. If I were to take the money, I would be part of the problem, constantly wasting taxpayers' money and not benefiting this student whatsoever. How many more "specialised" programs do we need to benefit people who don't want to be helped anyway.? I know this is a one-off situation in my own experience, but I'm sure this "corruption" goes on at many levels. If these students were forced to pay out of their OWN pockets, they would take the tuition more seriously I think, which ultimately benefits them more. But here lies the problem. When you are treated differently because of your race, religion, language, it is PATRONISING. The greatest compliment you can ever give someone who is "different" is to treat them the SAME as everyone else.

[@wharepuhunga2037]

Maybe he/she dont want to be you or your conceited colonial portrayal of a productive citizen. Maybe they just want to be who they are and not your indoctrinated slave buddy

[@thomass5169]

Facts!

[@meredithisme3752]

Yep that's exactly why we will no longer partake of any program involving these types

[@trevorhall6061]

Exacly, well said

[@karlito_ln7091]

It is their country!!!

[@cheapchippy]

Jacinta Price nailed it when she said "We dont need a Voice we need people to listen"

[@robwhitmore3040]

So she's saying people don't listen. Ok, well perhaps a recognised body who can research and table issues which allows us to hold people accountable for not listening.

[@brucelennon9224]

There are many who "nail " it.....she just happens to have platform and is flavour of the month and is heard ....Pauline Hanson is the "chief Nailer" ....but there any many many everywhere who are shut out and shutdown

[@kevinfergusson694]

You have to say something for people to listen.

[@thebigw3377]

One Country - One Flag - One People Anything less is dividing us. Give us a leader to unite us as one. enough of this stupidity already !!!!

[@johngeier8692]

Agreed. The Aboriginal Nation Delusion and the Climate Delusion are both becoming tiresome.

[@godofhate4167]

Nah I dont want democrats in my country. They've been dealing in humans since their existence. Enough is enough.

[@wharepuhunga2037]

Not their flag not their people but definitely is their country there convict

[@wharepuhunga2037]

@@johngeier8692 the great white delusion , land less peasent convicts own australia, na mate ya stole it. Hows the floods n fires going ya thieving bludgers

[@erinsable]

sounds good, but lets not go the world economic forum traitor to the ppl way

[@davidirwin3477]

Can you imagine a voice full of Lidia Thorpes. I'll vote no just for that reason. For generations my ancestors have been born in Australia. One of my ancestors arrived on the first fleet. I'm Australian by birth as are Aboriginies, we are the same. Either give us all a special voice or give it to no one. For years my family lived in a shed with a dirt floor. Like so many Australians, done it tough, but like all real Australians, not a welfare whinger. My Ancesters fought and died for their freedom for over 1,000 years. They lost that fight, yet I remain free. Australian Aboriginies are increadably lucky to be able to call themselves free Australians. I know they suffer hardships inflicted on them by an intrenched money making welfare system. This system needs to change. For perspective, just look at what Russia is doing to the people of Ukraine and China is threaterning to do Taiwan. Taiwan, previously called Formosa, an Island that was never really governed by China. All Australians need to unite, and not let marxists seperate us by race.

[@IvanVujica-CertifiedTrainer]

Or imagine a voice full of thomas mayos 🙄

[@cthrel1]

Maybe the other 97% of Australians should get a voice .

[@gulaggreens296]

They steal our votes and install whoever they want.

[@johngeier8692]

More and more of us are tiring of the new government’s preoccupation with ridiculous and destructive popular delusions. The Climate Delusion and the Aboriginal Nation Delusion need to be called out and stopped. It doesn’t matter if the average temperature increases by 1 degree centigrade over the next century and the problems of the indigenous people are due to a low average IQ . Pushing too hard with renewable energy will bankrupt us and the voice will divide us.

[@lancelot0007]

If it's a referendum then it must go to the population to vote.

[@fbryce1ify]

@Chris Evans that’s what they are planning on doing.

[@JD-ko4xr]

@@lancelot0007 like gay marriage vote fails the first time then do a revote a few weeks later lol

[@adrianbarber1165]

Different laws for different people is racist. Was never a good idea, even if most people supported it.

[@mrsuds9924]

Thats hilarious...Bolt suggests his "indigenousness" of 200 years is equal to the Dream time peoples of 50,000 years...he didnt even invent a boomerang...has no Idea that the Woomera is a leveraged weapon of mass destruction, a boomerang will kill your food then return back to your skilled hand like Prince Planet. Its a hot continent...you cant build castles and melt Iron here, you cannot do much at all but catch a Barra, take a midday nap and smoke some suspicious plants...thats your fricken day and WE DONT WISH TO CHANGE. We're Island people...I RE?

[@EL_Duderino68]

So you are against democracy?

[@bp1359]

Guilt is a strong driver, don't you know...

[@tomwade9381]

BIDEN SAYS HE IN NOT RACIST , AS TOLD BY CHINA JOE BIDEN kzbin.info/www/bejne/aXXFdmWJortlmNU

[@ADerpyReality]

Then why can aboriginals get arrested for drinking but white/non aboriginals drinking in the same area is fine? That Austudy gets more than Abstudy and every kind of welfare gets less. It's not equal right now. It's not an extra vote.

[@thedarkman4901]

We tried. It was called ATSIC & all that money was spent on alcohol. They had an opportunity & did nothing to assist with improving indigenous lives.

[@EL_Duderino68]

We have politicians on both sides e.g. John Barilaro and Eddie Obbie that were corrupt and gamed the system. Does that mean we tried to have a democratic government in NSW but should give up and let the Feds take over?

[@joseph71823]

The voice will have nothing to do with disadvantage in remote in remote regions. It wil simply be another ATSIC race-based gabfest for city people who identify themselves as indigenous. Indigenous people need simply to assimilate like all other people in our great country and enjoy being Australians.

[@wyattfamily8997]

Accurate observation.

[@Min61449]

Do you actually know what representation remote communities will have in the Voice model? Have you even bothered to look into the idea and the proposed model? It is on line. I bet you haven’t. I have read the Voice final report. Remote communities will have 5 representatives, the other states will be providing two representatives each. Torres Strait Islander people will have a main land representative too. Indigenous people from Local and regional areas will choose their own representatives at that level. Federal Voice representatives will be selected from the local and regional representatives. Not a city gabfest after all!

[@patriot388]

Why have a separate voice in parliament for 3% of the population? 30 billion of taxpayers money is spent on aboriginal programs every year. Kenny is wrong!

[@daniellebcooper7160]

spot on.

[@yolandascholten2012]

Looks like NZ. This is how is starts.

[@daniellebcooper7160]

@@beedoox5613 'civilisation' ?????? . ...and i believe that there is people in africa that are a bit older.

[@daniellebcooper7160]

@@beedoox5613 ....and Yes. Facts should be used when trying to fix a problem, rather than politically correct nonsense...otherwise they'll be just chasing their tails.

[@ianmcfarlane4923]

They have over 4% now so over represented not a bad effort for racist Australia.

[@noneofyourbusiness7396]

I am against this racist proposal which gives 3% of the population more rights than the remaining 97% of the population based on their race or color of their skin. The problem addressing the indigenous issues despite the $billions spent is that the indigenous people have to do something rather than sit on their bums with their hand out wanting others to solve their problems. All Australians should be recognised in the constitution why are one group of Australians being given special acknowledgement over other Australians. How about, "This constitution recognises equally all peoples that inhabited this island that is now called Australia. This includes all peoples who migrated to this land over the past 40000 years to the present and now call it home." This is inclusive of all people irrespective of their color, race, gender, circumstance. Chris you are wrong the majority of Australians, and even the majority of aborigines do not support this racist agenda which will divide the Australian population on race and color. The 1967 referendum is different because it gave everyone the same rights, and not as proposed here to give one group (3%) of people more rights. As you say it allowed governments to positively discriminate in their favor, and what are the results of this total abject failure, and will continually be so until people are held responsible for their own actions which includes respecting their selves, and others; but get a free pass when they claim the victim card. They can make representation through their local members just like every other Australian, they are not any special. Chris stop with this BS about being the original owners. The original owners of these lands have long been killed off (1000's of years before Europeans came here) many 1000's of years ago. That high court ruling is not based on fact but on feelings. As stated before there are no original of these lands remaining these days they are long dead. And if this racist proposal get up then these unelected people who wear wigs and comical dress will actively change our constitution without the people's consent. So they are disadvantaged whose fault is that it cannot be through discrimination as that has been illegal for years now; and there is positive discrimination to them. Maybe it could be that they do not want to help themselves, as the saying goes "you can lead a horse to water but you can not make it drink". Chris you complain about them not being educated, well you have to go to school, you have to live in a house where you can sleep at night, a house where you get fed everyday etc Whose fault is it that this does not occur? The same occur in the white community where white children have the same home environment. This issue is so divisive DO NOT VOTE FOR IT.

[@wharepuhunga2037]

Because they arent australian they are the original inhabitants of the land so they are the true owners anyone who came with the british settlers or after them are landless peasents and thats why you stole their land deny them their rights and your $$$ could never compensate or fix the damage you landless covict parasites have caused not only in stralia but all around the globe

[@stephenedwards3665]

Well said there.we hav the same problem going on here in nz.co governance they call it.mor like division this will cause.seems the world has a I'm a victim mentality and no responsibility for their decisions happening in lots of countries st same time.mmmmm.bit weird.

[@dianafarmer5445]

I won't be voting for it.

[@bubu345]

GET BACK 2 WHERE U BEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE LONG

[@noneofyourbusiness7396]

@@bubu345 I was born here and lived here all my life, this is where I belong with the same right to do so as all other Australian citizens.

[@goodyear05]

Aboriginals are disadvantaged? I can’t afford rent, no free medical or dental, no government assistance for anything. I’m disadvantaged give me money

[@Kelly_Kapowski]

Yet another nauseatingly stupid conservative that doesn’t understand systemic racial disadvantage or inherited trauma. Why don’t you stop embarrassing yourself, champ.

[@travisryan5459]

You deserve what you vote for. A decade of Liberal corruption and incompetence has consequences. Last time Albo and Labor were in government they almost doubled the size of the Australian economy in 6 years from 853.1 billion USD in 2007 to 1.576 trillion USD in 2013. Using only $199 billion to keep us out of recession during the GFC. Our economy was one of the best in the world and the Labor governments treasurer at the time had been awarded the prestigious finance minister of the year award for his handling of the Australian economy during the Global Financial Crisis. Labor had effectively grown the Australian economy during a time in which most other developed countries were in a deep recession AND Labor had a plan to pay back the small amount of debt they acquired by not taxing the Australian people but by Taxing large corporations (which are 85% foreign owned) an increased tax rate on SUPER Profits over 75 million dollars. This was a popular and reasonable tax ( a tax on huge Multinational Corporations that only comes into effect once the Corporation had made a SUPER profit.) But powerful interests know how to protect themselves and in 2012 to 2013 we witnessed a propagandistic fear campaign to destroy the Labor party and to elect a liberal government that works in the interests of the large Multinational corporations. The results of the Multinational backed Liberal government takeover are in and it has been detrimental to the Australian economy and the Australian people. The Liberal Budget 2022 projected that the Commonwealth government’s gross debt will be around $963 billion at 30 June 2022 and it is projected to increase to $1,199 billion by 30 June 2025. Notice we didn’t have a constant fear campaign about DEBT when the Corporations lapdogs were in power and spending like mad and the debt was 3 times as high. In fact the Liberals added more debt in 9 months enriching their corporate donors than Labor added in 6 years working for the Australian people. What is worse is that since 2013 the Liberals have reduced the Australian economy from 1.576 Trillion USD in 2013 to 1.331 trillion USD in 2020 pre COVID. To compare both Labor’s and Liberals debt is easy. For every billion dollars labor spent, 3.6 billion was added to the Australian economy almost doubling the size of the Australian economy in six short years. Enriching the Australian population The Liberals on the other hand spent $726 billion on their corporate donors and reduced the size of the Australian economy. Making Australians poorer and transferring that money over to the super wealthy and billionaires. You’d have to be an absolute dope to not understand the difference. So the next time you pass a low IQ liberal voter make sure you thank them for the added 726 billion of debt and the unprecedented $245 billion reduction of the Australian economy. How did we get to this situation??? Thank 24/7 News Corp propaganda and the mindless scum zombies that feed off it.

[@Kelly_Kapowski]

@@travisryan5459 Amen. Bring on the ICAC.

[@PJRayment]

@@travisryan5459 "Labor governments treasurer at the time had been awarded the prestigious finance minister of the year award for his handling of the Australian economy during the Global Financial Crisis." Who by? Some left-leaning body? "...by Taxing large corporations (which are 85% foreign owned) an increased tax rate on SUPER Profits over 75 million dollars." So what happened to treating people equally? Why isn't that unfair discrimination? And since when is it reasonable to penalise the more successful? "But powerful interests know how to protect themselves..." You mean get justice by not being discriminated against? Good on them! "...we witnessed a propagandistic fear campaign to destroy the Labor party..." So you're saying that they got a taste of their own medicine? "...a liberal government that works in the interests of the large Multinational corporations. " To the detriment of others? That's not in evidence. "The Liberal Budget 2022 projected that the Commonwealth government’s gross debt will be around $963 billion at 30 June 2022 ..." Thanks in part to supporting workers thrown out of work by state governments, especially including Labor ones. "...it is projected to increase to $1,199 billion by 30 June 2025." With Labor now in charge? "Notice we didn’t have a constant fear campaign about DEBT when the Corporations lapdogs were in power ..." By the left-leaning media. Yes, I noticed that. The conservative media, such as Sky News, however, did often talk about that. "In fact the Liberals added more debt in 9 months enriching their corporate donors..." What's your evidence for that "fact"? "You’d have to be an absolute dope to not understand the difference." Or to believe your biased rhetoric. "So the next time you pass a low IQ liberal voter make sure you thank them for the added 726 billion of debt ..." Because you'd not get away with saying that to a high-IQ Liberal voter? "How did we get to this situation???" Of you believing all that? Perhaps a neo-Marxist university education? "Thank 24/7 News Corp propaganda..." What propaganda? You haven't shown evidence of any. "...and the mindless scum zombies that feed off it." You really like insulting people who don't agree with you, don't you? Here's a tip: it's not the way to get people on side.

[@EL_Duderino68]

@@travisryan5459 Burn :) Not to diminish your well written and researched post.

[@louisebrislane6607]

They should only be counted as indigenous if they are full blood or half blood, not if they only have one aboriginal person in their background & especially when they look white with no features that look Aboriginal. I'm on your side Andrew!!

[@wharepuhunga2037]

Indigenous has nothing to do with blood quantum you ignorant thieving landless convict peasent

[@craigbarron3706]

Put this in your think tank and see what you come up with!! My brother's step granddaughter who is half Aboriginal looks completely white. My ancestry is white English/Scandinavian with 1% Aboriginal yet my siblings and I resemble half cast Aborigines with brown skin and broad flat noses.

[@Polosak]

I dont think it should be relevant anymore considering anyone can *indentify* as the opposite sex and not be challenged to prove anything. All government job questionnaires have the question asking - do you *identify* as aboriginal / torres strait islander or do you identify as belonging to said groups. The question is not - Are you aboriginal / torres stait islander? They not asking if you are, they are asking if you *identify* as. Just an observation.😊

[@craigbarron3706]

@@Polosak I am White Australian/ Australian Aboriginal, and identify as both......There is no document that asks that.

[@Polosak]

@@craigbarron3706 😊😊 Righto mate. Cheers.

[@gulaggreens296]

Indigenous people are recognised in the constitution the same as the rest of us.

[@MrDogsledder]

That's the problem. How can there be real racism if white people treat aboriginal people the same as everyone else?

[@jfkfitirjdjjsisieirirjfjdj5967]

ah no

[@anthonygraham6503]

wrong.

[@bop-ya-good]

​@@anthonygraham6503 why ?are they exempt then

[@bop-ya-good]

one Australia not 2... personal responsibility seems lacking not money.

[@daniellyons3585]

Chris Kenny has got this one wrong. It's amazing he can't see the possibility of scope creep in this proposal.

[@BC-vg3zf]

Does he want a republic as well?

[@GordonPavilion]

Actually, Chris Kenny has this completely right. Bolt is a known racist…you probably are too.

[@GordonPavilion]

@@MrRatclima nope! Bolt is an Authoritarian with fascist tendencies and sympathies

[@iggyblitz8739]

Yep, it won't matter anyway as I doubt the majority of Australians will vote for this in a referendum.

[@brucehendo]

Correct, so if the % of Indigenous is not critical why bother with other race or gender quotas? This proposal will not change a single life in the communities. The problem is the muppets leading the peak bodies. They perpetuate problems to satisfy self interest 💵💵💵💵💵💵

[@ashleydkirwan]

Same laws , same advantages , same benefits , same punishments , for all Australians !

[@lokai7914]

I object to any group having special laws that give them additional rights that do not belong to all of us.

[@wharepuhunga2037]

I agree So give their land and their rights back

[@drdoug007]

You first

[@bithiahamariah9139]

I don't mind better rights for full blood aboriginals...but any less than that - their rights get halved, quartered etc. One is not aboriginal if one is only part aboriginal. Same goes for the rest of us truly Bitza's who live here, made up of all sorts of races mixed in together. My kids have 5 different nationalities to own up to in the space of 100 years.

[@lokai7914]

@@bithiahamariah9139 There's a word, it escapes me at the moment, that describes being treated differently due to one's ancestry... Oh, yes. I recall it now: Racism.

[@lokai7914]

@@wharepuhunga2037 Whose land? I'm as Australian as an Aborigine. Yet, I don't have the same rights. There's no one alive who can claim to have been invaded.

[@noeledwards9200]

I am of aboriginal heritage and totally disagree with what the government and Chris Kenny are advocating this to all Australians as it is divisive and harmful, because like all people who have power over others feel entitled. Real indigenous people want to move forward and work together with all Australians to make our country prosperous for the next generations to come. We all know dividing the people causes chaos and hate this will send us backwards in the development of uniting country. History shows that if you work together as a collective you are able to achieve much more and fairer for everyone. I as an observant Australian with aboriginal heritage am appalled at that person being sworn into parliament you know who, was disrespectful and showing how unhinged they are. She needs to apologise to all Australians for her inept behaviour of acting like a spoilt little brat and does not belong in parliament, we all do not have thoughts or behaviours like them some of us are intelligent enough to see the big picture. After all is said and done it is about power and money 💰

[@cavscout7113]

Thank you for that very well thought out post. I wish I knew how to fix the problems of the past but I do not. All we can do is just treat everyone equally and be kind to one another.

[@necrym6504]

History shows that if you work together as a collective you are able to achieve much more and fairer for everyone. The Constitution is already for ALL Australians not just a select few so why the instance to change it. No there is vested interests going on here, Labor has always wanted to change the constituion this is just a backdoor approach using the Abroriginal people as their stepping stone to do so. Why else do you think they wont release all the details.

[@robertwalker2923]

Well said from a person in the know

[@kevinfergusson694]

People WITH Aboriginal heritage, should not be speaking like you. Your disrespecting those that came before you, the other half of your DNA haven't made the appropriate changes to suggest that we ALL can live equally, and those are the people,be they public members or members of the parliament, they are the ones that make the laws and legislations, and the majority of the public are the ones that accept them. I have family members that are named "Edwards" from the Northern Region of NSW. and my family(black) reared her to be a decent and respectful member of the Australian public, and the Aboriginal Community, and not get taken away as part of the"Stolen Generation" like so many have been and continue to be. What do you know of your Aboriginality and ways of life to speak about moving forward, I know that there has to be many changes now, because of "Multiculturalism "to have everyone treating each other respectfully and equally. When will that happen after 230 years of occupation.

[@georgettelord322]

So which way you be yes or No

[@ruprectgreatrex9153]

To prefer the needs and wants a particular race of Australians of over the needs and wants of all other Australians is immoral and racist. To entrench that in the nation's Constitution is immoral, racist and evil. Shame on all those who advocate for this. May they be held accountable.

[@benclake5901]

Andrew Bolt Won this Debate.

[@GordonPavilion]

Nope…he didn’t.

[@tomwade9381]

HOW DOES JOE BIDEN LET HIS DEMOCRATS TO SUPPORT CHINA JOE BIDEN FOR kzbin.info/www/bejne/aXXFdmWJortlmNU

[@kermitthehermit9588]

Yeah sure he did 😂

[@mattkenyon1862]

How? 😂 He had nothing…

[@ruprectgreatrex9153]

never sign a blank cheque - if in doubt vote 'NO'

[@gustaaf1892]

My thoughts exactly. This will only be the thin end of the wedge. Give people an inch and they'll take a mile. As far as I'm concerned we shouldn't have the constitution mandate a special class of people in this country.

[@bubu345]

MORON MAWKISH MENTALITY = MNM

[@justlinsu]

Did Chris just say those indigenous ministers do not represent indigenous people??? I'd like him to tell that to Jacinta Price. OMG! VOTE NO!

[@justlinsu]

@@guttabeats4933 You are correct and the same can be said of those who are voting yes. That's why it is divisive. Which ever way it goes I pray that those marginalised indigenous families receive the help they have not received from those indigenous agencies who have been funded with huge amounts of money but never passed it on to their most in need.

[@justlinsu]

@@guttabeats4933 Interesting comment. I would have thought that if for instance I was a from say Korea and I needed help I would go to the Korean agencies and apply for assistance. I disagree with your comment sir. My comment was that Chris Kenny had said that "Indigenous MINISTERS" do not represent indigenous people, which is totally incorrect. Which ever way this plays out. I pray for 'ALL' of us.

[@MrLaChien]

Kenny is delusional if he thinks it stops at advisory!

[@kyle782]

What holds one group back over the others these days, is the fact that one group will not take ownership over their problems and the fixes needed for those problems. Extreme ownership is needed, but noone will even speak the truth on this as they will decried as racist.

[@wharepuhunga2037]

Thats a cheap shot buddy,when you know your the problem that has created their problems. But keep denying the obvious buddy give their land and rights back ya thieving bludgers

[@EL_Duderino68]

You mean like the 99%

[@noelrossbridge2514]

Oh yeah? Read my comment. My ancestors were convict, brought here against their will, in chains. Put to work and then discarded like rubbish. Treated worse than slaves, exiled on the other side of the world. My great grandfather died in WW1, my grandfather died in WW2. DEFENDING AUSTRALIA! This land is just as much ours as it is theirs. So Abo's can choose, AFL & BBQs or Pingpong & chopsticks.

[@EL_Duderino68]

@@noelrossbridge2514 So 65,000 years over 200 hundred years? Sure LOL. 1 in every 20 Aboriginal or Torres Strait Islander people made a direct contribution to Australian WWII efforts, either as servicemen or women, or civilian labourers www.latrobe.edu.au/__data/assets/pdf_file/0009/585594/NAIDOC-2014-Servicing-Country-.pdf Over 1000 Indigenous Australians fought in the First World War. www.awm.gov.au/articles/encyclopedia/indigenous#:~:text=Over%201000%20Indigenous%20Australians%20fought,they%20were%20treated%20as%20equals.

[@wharepuhunga2037]

@@noelrossbridge2514 your landless convict peasant inbred ancestors fought for the queen against your german relatives,how does that give you any rights to the original inhabitants land or to deny them their rights.

[@johnwalker4555]

Perhaps Kenny is well intentioned but this proposal is as racist as critical race theory, and he's (maybe unintentionally) being disingenuous when he says the Aborigines don't already have a voice. They have the same voice as every white Australian: The Vote!

[@EL_Duderino68]

DO you think indigenous Australians have issues different from other Australians?

[@johnwalker4555]

@@EL_Duderino68 Perhaps you could detail them for me? And explain how they are intrinsically different, or at least not self inflicted?

[@EL_Duderino68]

@@johnwalker4555 Would you listen if I did?

[@johnwalker4555]

@@EL_Duderino68 Sure. As long as you didn't regurgitate the usual misinformation about "black deaths in custody, white racism etc." Let me ask you a question: What if every government form started with the preamble: Are you of Anglo Saxon or European heritage? Would you think that was racist?

[@EL_Duderino68]

@@johnwalker4555 What do mean by misinformation about black deaths in custody? Please provide facts with links.

[@blusymmonds630]

Ok indigenous australians are not specifically mentioned in the constitution are any other races specifically mentioned?. As andrew has mentioned there are no end of councils already and it is not working, how will one more council work any better.

[@MrDogsledder]

No. To do so would be to enshrine racism in our Constitution.

[@EL_Duderino68]

So the NZ treaty with the Maoris is racist?

[@pwillis1589]

Yes, immediately Australia initiated a whites only policy supported by the constitution that specifically mentioned indigenous people and made them non citizens with no voting rights. It doesn’t actually get much more racist than that.

[@rexxx777]

Exactly. It won't make one bit of difference.

[@blusymmonds630]

@@pwillis1589 Look agreed that mistakes were made in the past, but was this the constitution. Does the constitution specifically make aborigines non citizens?. The mistakes you are referring to have already been fixed. How would introducing race into the constitution which is by the way an inherently racist thing to do be a step forward in combating racism. It will only introduce a new form of racism

[@suparoo100]

Right on, Andrew, this excreta is more divisive than anything

[@user-fg6jd4xz5f]

Give the original people of the land their own party to fight their rights. why do you have to question their rights for their own countries. White people have their own country that they come from. If China come up and created a law to send the land's thieves to where they come from, white people have Europe and UK to go to but the Aboriginals people stay in Australia. White people created laws according to their own benefits and suppressed the poor indigenous people to the level that they can't fight back. Stop using race to suppress the numbers you have because you created it to dominate this poor people. Use their indigenous rights as first people of the country. NZ do better with the Maori than the Ausy and the American

[@user-fg6jd4xz5f]

Kenny is right. Give the rìghtful people of the country 50 percent of the land and its natural wealths. The system created by white men in US, Australia, Canada and NZ to destroy these people and get them all the advantages and opportunities. Learn from China, so you can help the poorest peoples first hand helps from the government to move up to the next level and they can help themselves. This is why Democratic countries hate Communist countries they exposed the fraud of democracy and its White supremacy rights and freedoms. Hope China and Russia get up and destroy White supremacy colonial ideologies and its imperial dominance to get more balance power in the future.

[@userjoe4321]

On a side note...I think a lot of people are getting tired of welcome to country at almost every turn. Welcome to country at significant and limited events, sure, but why so often... do non-indigenous Australians need to be welcomed to country several times a month? We have so many Australian families that have lost family members in war fighting for our country... do these Australians need to be continually welcomed to country?

[@VK-qo1gm]

This morning, at work I received an email regarding a meeting. When I actually opened it, the first page had an aboriginal flag only, 2nd page actually had the contents. Never had this before, I guess it's the norm now

[@wyattfamily8997]

@The John Magufuli Society Heard an ABC programme that was going to discuss Australias "First Nations" ARCHITECTURE....nearly pi - - ed myself laughing. Hahahahahahaah

[@juliethompson7492]

Well said. I 100% agree. It is divisive and I've had a gut full of it.

[@speedysteve5229]

This is why the abc drives me crazy. Welcome to country comes up on every single Australian made show. Already it feels like we have been taken over by something weird.

[@stevebrown218]

Lydia Thorpe is a good example of why not to give aborigines a voice

[@jpgrygus]

and shes not even Aboriginal.....well maybe 4.7% indigenous.

[@rexpeirce2614]

Absolutely she is a wreck

[@markc1456]

even that poor halfwit is against the $invoice

[@JC-lu4se]

Indigenous people aren’t one coherent group. They are diverse and I can't see how an "Indigenous Voice" will speak for all First Nations people.

[@EL_Duderino68]

Are Australians a coherent group? Look at the latest election results.

[@rexxx777]

Exactly. They're all put under one umbrella when in fact there are different people with different languages and customs. And who probably fought and conquered each other before the British came along.

[@jiminverness]

It won't.

[@dave8599]

first nation? how about savages?

[@michaelcoxlong2726]

@@dave8599 Go take a hike you goofy ahh racist

[@seandelap8587]

I love watching these sort of debates where 2 people can politely disagree with each other without wanting to cancel each other.

[@mdaddy775]

We know how right-wingers love to cancel!

[@MrDogsledder]

@@mdaddy775 Projecting much?

[@buildmotosykletist1987]

@@mdaddy775 : The right supports "Free Speech". The left "Cancels Free Speech" !

[@userjoe4321]

100% agree. So refreshing.

[@bithiahamariah9139]

@@mdaddy775 Oh come on there - it is the left wing who do the Cancel culture! Everybody knows that.

[@trevorhall6061]

What does Jacinta think about this? Ps, l think Andrew won.

[@murielwhite9472]

Jacinta doesn't want it

[@trevorhall6061]

@@murielwhite9472 Well there you go, she has said she had enough lip service, time for action. End of debate!

[@JohnWilliams-iw6oq]

You've lost me Chris, obviously you haven't lived in an aboriginal community or a mixed community. If you had you would know of the huge divisions within the aboriginal community and the at times open war that erupts between the groups involved. As a person of mixed race I think it's safe to say that you have never been made to wait outside a house because of your aboriginal heritage or to later be told told "You! White bastard! Piss off, no come back here no more!". Another house of parliament made up of disjointed would be elites would be a tragedy for the Australian people as a whole, expensive and achieving nothing. Yes acknowledge aboriginals in the constitution but beyond that they have a wonderful representation in our parliament and if you look carefully you have views from the Greens to Jacinta. Empower the people, not the elites.

[@nathankelleher]

One rule for all.. no exceptions 🇦🇺

[@tomwade9381]

THE 1 RULE FOR JOE BIDEN IS TO kzbin.info/www/bejne/aXXFdmWJortlmNU

[@HeapsgoodBeertruck]

If Aborigines have a special Voice, then other Australians with a long Australian heritage should have a special Voice, and British Australians should have the strongest Voice of all, as Australia is a federation of British colonies. Australia is of British heritage, it is Commonwealth, and we have a strong inclusion of Aboriginal culture (see names of places, and art). Or we can all be Australian equals, with our shared Aussie spirit and mateship.

[@HeapsgoodBeertruck]

@@Hakor0 I said nothing about moral high ground. Simply that Australia is a nation primarily of British heritage, of British foundation. We are a British Commonwealth country. What evils do you blame the British for? The Magna Carta, the Industrial Revolution, the Anglican Church? The British are primarily responsible for what we enjoy as humane civilisation.

[@bubu345]

@@HeapsgoodBeertruck GENOCIDE in asia africa pacfika

[@Carvin0]

Great debate. Really excellent. Bolt won this.

[@westaussie2006]

When aboriginals pay the same for everything as the majority of the population rather than all the special treatment they get, I will vote yes. Until that day - no way. And when the courts treat them equally to the remainder, then I will vote yes. Until that day - no way.

[@JC-lu4se]

Where I live, they steal cars, go joy riding and then burn them. They roam the streets at night where it's not safe to walk after dark. They don't get sent to jail because it doesn't look good for the government to have so many in custody.

[@stenkarasin2091]

Absolutely I agree with Andrew Bolt, if all those organisations and the group of of indigenous members in parliament haven't been enough to level the field why would you imagine adding yet another organisation would do the trick.

[@njd2342]

How long will it stay an 'advisory body'? There will end up two parliaments and the political divide will get wider.

[@bellabiesel4560]

Siding with Bolt on this one.

[@Kelly_Kapowski]

Good for you. We already know there are lots of right wing asshats out there, what difference does another one make?

[@johngeier8692]

It is dangerous divisive idiocy.

[@Kelly_Kapowski]

@@johngeier8692 *”divisive”* - the latest moronic conservative buzzword, used in place of an actual argument. Is the subject matter inconvenient for your status quo and privilege? Just say it’s ‘divisive’. Problem solved… 🙄🙄

[@GordonPavilion]

@@johngeier8692 BS…it’s no such thing. Try thinking for yourself.

[@derekhowells1020]

@@Kelly_Kapowski it’s also Diversive in that it takes away from the real issues at hand. It detracts from more important issues facing the nation as a whole.

[@tuijapeltonen8075]

I'm with Andrew with this

[@jimbo43ohara51]

WE need to be careful not to push this agenda too far. Kenny may be right in his observations but this shouldn't be pushed too far. This also raises questions about the relevance in labeling Australia Day as Invasion day. There must always be a balance between rights and responsibilities.

[@Hipnosis65]

A house divided cannot stand. You cannot continue down this road of dividing people based on their identity. This is dangerous, it is insidious.

[@bubu345]

SECT 25 OF RACIST AUST CONSTITUTION

[@wintercott]

I'm with you Andrew!

[@GordonPavilion]

Oh! So you are a fellow racist.

[@MrTruthandlove]

Bolt is spot on

[@pushagainstthezeitgeist4968]

The only place you will see both sides of the argument without name calling and insinuations of racism, colonisers…….. Why does this only seem to happen on a conservative platform?

[@peasant5612]

Refreshing really

[@markeggins890]

Yeah but no debate in the comments, looks like all against the voice and pro-Bolt.

[@bubu345]

@@markeggins890 OSTRICH FEELS SAFE N SMUG WITH HEAD IN HOLE

[@gulaggreens296]

Speak to your employer and opt out of PAYG tax until this racist agenda is nulled.

[@bobbuliniusbotulismus7129]

Great idea. Leave your assets to die on this political hill

[@rods6405]

That's right if gets up stop paying Tax ! Thats why Como A b o Albo wants a republic so he can change the constitution and remove our common law rights.

[@Rb-fp7mw]

I agree with Chris on nearly everything except this. He's way off.

[@sportsfanivosevic9885]

"More than a fair go" can also be applied to lobbyists, they always receive disproportionate attention from politicians and we all know why.

[@usncorpsman7966]

$$$$$

[@steveflanagan9749]

Every Australian has the same voice right now and as useless as that feels sometimes, that's equality and democracy. This entire argument is purely race based and I thought we had moved away from race and racism long ago. The focus must surely be on our shared humanity.

[@johnmanning1312]

Bolt is right we need to see what Albanese's vision and costings on this issue are, Australians are looking down the barrel of a recession that will affect us all that should be his first priority

[@glenncox298]

I find it incredibly astonishing that people somehow believe that while there are clearly opposing indigenous voices in the Australian Parliament, that the ‘Voice’, if it gets up in a Referendum, will somehow speak with ONE voice for all indigenous peoples.

[@leighmurrell5494]

There seems to be this constant view that Aboriginals are "Special " or more important than the rest of the Australians. Govts pass laws about all of us and we really don't get to influence those decisions either despite the notion that we can. We MUST aim for ALL Australians be seen and treated the same under one umbrella. What has failed to date is a result of poor/failed bureaucracy and bad or possibly illegal actions from Aboriginal leadership groups. "Isms" of any sort and its inherent tribalism is a path to societal defeat.

[@noneofyourbusiness7396]

Our vote is our influence. Use your vote (voice) carefully.

[@carrolus1]

It comes down to the point that the government wants to help aborigines. But US President Ronald Reagan said, “The nine most terrifying words in the English language are ‘I’m from the government and I’m here to help.’”

[@pwillis1589]

And voice is exactly that, it is not the government offering help at all. It is the indigenous population saying we will help ourselves. Did you even read the Uluṟu statement from the Heart, as you clearly have no understanding of it.

[@sadwingsraging3044]

@@pwillis1589 paid for by who? What happened to all the money already spent on the exact same thing?!!? BOLLOCKS!

[@pwillis1589]

@@sadwingsraging3044 It will cost significantly less and potentially save billions of dollars.

[@sadwingsraging3044]

@@pwillis1589 it's another grift trough for the government and their drone buddies to stick their snouts in and root for their 10%. Only a mouth breathing idiot still thinks that more government is the answer to _any_ problem after the last four years... GTFOH grifter.

[@Parawingdelta2]

Brilliant. Spot on.

[@bithiahamariah9139]

There are multiple groups in Australia from Religious, to Indigenous, to ethnic, to gender, to non-gender...and the Parliament makes decisions on ALL of those groups without giving us a voice.

[@youbigtubership]

Remember how ATSIC fell apart. The people pushing this are doing alot of ear-bashing. How Kenny's voice is mixed in this debate sounds painful.

[@romanklis6407]

Kenny be more specific regarding Voice in constitution... what we should understand under term "Voice" For me it means only problems around the country... think twice before is too late...referendum do not give us overwhelming majority of votes ... I see it 65% against !!

[@marktucker8896]

Does anybody seriously believe it will function as a voice of the Aboriginal people to Parliament? Is it not vastly more likely that it will end up functioning the other way around? So, the Government of the day will appoint a few of its friends to sit on what is just another committee, their job to promote government policies to the Aboriginal people. Think about it, how do a group of people who don't believe in Democracy, who believe in top-down approaches to all problems, suddenly going to do a 180 just for an indigenous voice, not going to happen, because the people in charge don't understand or agree with the concept.

[@TheFingerman37]

We are all one race. We are Human beings, Homo sapiens. We all vary in skin colour, height, looks and so on, but we have the same organs inside and work the same way biologically. The main difference we have is our cultures and that differs for everyone. The culture one family has is totally different to another. Since the beginning of our time on this little planet, the human race has battled, killed and conquered each other. Weaker nations fall to stronger ones, yet somehow we survive.

[@serverlan763]

If they are going to change the constitution the best thing they could do is have a bill of rights and the number one thing on that bill of rights should be the right to self defence of life and property.

[@pwillis1589]

Under English common law you already have that right. In Australia because of the way our constitution was formed this right came across into Australian law at federation. Didn’t you study Australian history at school.

[@serverlan763]

@@pwillis1589They didn't teach Australian History at school because I didn't grown up in Australia. Assumption..... Besides in all practical terms I maintain there is no right to self defence in Australia. What is a 50kg woman going to do against a knife wielding home invading Aboriginal male high on sniffing paint thinners? If she used a firearms you can guarantee the Police would charge her.

[@cavscout7113]

@@pwillis1589 We do NOT have a binding Bill of Rights or Constitution. Your "rights" are dependent on the Representatives ( Government ) of the Queen allowing you to exercise those rights and they do have to do this. You only have a right to self defence if you use your fists (and even then maybe not), as soon as you use a weapon of any sort (regardless of the situation ) you WILL find yourself being charged. Neither the Govt. or the Police want you to defend yourself.

[@pwillis1589]

@@serverlan763 Yes you are correct. In Australia you have no right to needlessly kill someone. It's called murder, go figure.

[@pwillis1589]

@@cavscout7113 Yes I acknowledged Australia doesn't have a Bill of rights, however this is not necessary for natural justice. There are state and federal laws, quite specific to self defence, none I read mentioned fists. They do however in a general sense talk about conduct that only is necessary. While not specifically mentioning a weapon if that is what is deemed necessary then it is legal. It all depends on the individual circumstances, as it should. On a side note when did Assault troopers become cav scouts?

[@benclake5901]

Stop Calling them Indigenous and call them Aboriginal. We White Australians are just as much Indigenous as them and we Built this Nation from Nothing. We are the Indigenous people of this land now.

[@bottplug2272]

Wow! So unintelligent lol

[@jpgrygus]

the new leftie buzz word is 'first nations'. they may have been here first but was never a nation before Europeans made it one.

[@noneofyourbusiness7396]

Aboriginal means the same as indigenous!!!

[@richardsub5252]

In one breath you say they need to have run of the country and in the next that they can’t run their own household’s?

[@peterrichards1058]

There is already enough substantive law in favour of indigenous people and monetary support far out weighing the rest of the Australian people who don’t have indigenous heritage. When are indigenous communities going to take responsibility for their own failings ? Jacinta Price is spot on in her assessment of the problem and it starts with indigenous Australians cleaning up their own act first and making their communities safe. Nev Bonner said when he first entered parliament in the 70’s ,that giving welfare to indigenous communities on mass will cause issues for decades into future. Nev Bonner was right and to revoke any of the special laws or monetary benefits that are by definition reverse discrimination against all non indigenous Australians would cause mayhem now. It’s time to reconcile as one nation under one flag with the same rights and freedoms for everyone and get rid of this division in our society.

[@ETERNALCYCLES]

How about giving free speech and freedom from coercion into the constitution.

[@bubu345]

BUL SHEET VIRUS HYSTERIA

[@Super_Mario128]

We’re not gonna take it, we’re not gonna take it, we’re not gonna take it anymore!

[@gregstephens361]

Kenny’s main problem is the lights are on but theirs no one home .

[@joeljammal]

If I was to re-set up this conversation between Bolt and Kenny I would've PUT THEM IN THE SAME ROOM!

[@mrrangemaster]

Kenny's true colors are shown, a bit like Equal opportunity, None of it is equal. Good on you Andrew

[@MrDogsledder]

Apartheid is never a good idea.

[@kikkan7110]

I do believe Andrew Bolton is right on this. One country, one people. Sometimes we need to see a situation for what it is. Handing out power according to race, is very unwise.

[@herky62]

im an honorary aboriginal by the most high Jika Jika.I dont need to be recognized ,i am what i am in our creators eyes .!

[@margyrowland]

Special laws for special people is not a fair go. One law for all.

[@garykain4448]

"This would ensure that the government has to take their advice, take it or leave it." Well, which one is it?

[@johnmassey2048]

I asked my Father before he passed what he thought of the Aboriginal flag -his answer- two flags ,country divided..seems as though he was right!

[@rexpeirce2614]

Absolutely

[@conservativeview7233]

Your new consultation group are the same people that are taking our $32B per year with no accountability

[@bridiesmith460]

Chris Kenny has got a shock coming to him if he thinks they won’t work for their special groups. Just look at all the politicians around the world not doing what their constituents want.

[@brucemcfarlane809]

Chris Kenny is so wrong! $34+Billion budget for 550,000 people?? We HAVE to have a Royal Commission into where all this money goes!!

[@csb52642]

I'm concerned about what will happen if Parliament decides not to accept a piece of advice from The Voice. I'm pretty sure we're going to see violence and mayhem.

[@LouLikestowatch]

Why do we have to change our laws? So indigenous people are going to have their own laws?? What is this going to look like? Give us an example at least. They have had decades of benefits and privileges. They don't even need to work. They have land. What more do they want???

[@brettweary8491]

We Are One Country let’s Not Make it Two

[@daniellebcooper7160]

If they really think an advisor would help their cause, why not just get the indigenous to form their own council, who then nominate a speaker to join parliament as their representative?. Wouldent this be the same thing as 'the voice', without the constitution being tampered with...or is it not enough of a virtue signal?.

[@SaintKimbo]

Well, there's a whole Department of Indigenous Affairs, and the current Minister IS an Indigenous Australian, Linda Birney. Linda Burney, a proud member of the Wiradjuri Nation, grew up in Whitton, in south-west NSW and began her career as a teacher in Western Sydney after graduating as one of the first Aboriginal students at Mitchell College, now Charles Sturt University. She moved into education policy and was involved in the first Aboriginal education policy in New South Wales. In 2000, she was appointed Director General of the NSW Department of Aboriginal Affairs and was awarded an Honorary Doctorate in Education by Charles Sturt University in 2002. As you can see, she's been milking this cow for 22 years. Funny how no one wants to talk about the fact that Linda, like many others have devoted themselves to the cause for decades but Indigenous Affairs, on the ground, are still a cluster f#$k.

[@Harker777]

"Mainstream sensible people" - Who exactly are these people? Do they even exist?

[@lillight4JC]

Thank you for your courage and strength in speaking up! PLEASE DON'T STOP!... In fact please find ways to make your voice heard even more!🙏🏼🕊

[@credenza1]

No one has been in Australia more than 130 years.

[@bubu345]

cockroaches

[@stitcheruk1150]

Pity that Kenny will not let Bolt respond to his dogmatic opinion

[@vernakruckow6968]

There is nothing to stop the concept being overrun by activists just like their ABC, and Chris seems to be oblivious to this fact

[@testedtrue7693]

is the voice going to get the $4.5B spent on Aboriginal programs to work more effectively or will they need to double that amount as well as have a voice in everything else that does NOT concern Aboriginal programs. How much more money do they want. Why can't they govern their own communities with $4.5 b

[@RobertBissett4040]

Bolt is right look across the ditch

[@michaelmcfeely6588]

I would oppose anything that grows the government.

[@tomwade9381]

CHINA JOE BIDEN GROWS WITH HIS PLANS TO kzbin.info/www/bejne/aXXFdmWJortlmNU

[@oztuber2]

Kenny is a goose on most everything

[@johnsnow9887]

Every single one who was born in Australia is indigenous. Should be no special rights because there are no special responsibilities!

[@echelon2k8]

Mabo decision was based on the legal fiction lie of terra nullius and anyway. So much damage has been done to Australia since. This divisive debate included. Happy that Australians will at least get a democratic say on this when the time comes. That's at least better than what the people got with "multiculturalism" and Big Australia.

[@noneofyourbusiness7396]

The mabo decision was based on the fiction that the peoples who occupied Australia when the first fleet arrived were the first peoples. The first peoples of Australia were long killed off thousands of years before europeans even knew there was a Australia. This is what happens when unelected people who wear wigs and gowns change the constitution without the accent of the australian people, and is what will happen if this proposal in voted in.

[@benclake5901]

White-European Australians should get a Voice. becouse all the govts and politicians don't work for we the White Majority people. We Need a Voice.

[@johngeier8692]

The Aboriginal Nation Delusion and the Climate Delusion are the main preoccupation of the new government. The former will divide us and the latter will bankrupt us. This fantastic delusional nonsense needs to be called out and stopped.

[@credenza1]

Kenny says that we haven't had the right opinions (from Indigenous advisory bodies). That would appear to be true, as Indigenous advancement has failed in many places. Given the uselessness of these numerous and varied advisory bodies, why would anyone install a permanent body which may well turn out to be just as ineffective and wrong-headed, and which - unlike the others - cannot be dismantled? It would just be a way of perpetuating and rewarding a dysfunctional entity.

[@SaintKimbo]

Agreed, which brings up the issue of why aren't the abject failures of the numerous Councils, Groups, Committees etc.,that do represent Indigenous Australians, that have been funded to the tune of millions, if not billions, over the last couple of decades properly analysed? As an average working Australian living in the suburbs of a major Australian city, I have very little contact with Indigenous Australians, and like most Australians, rely on the respective Government Departments to to deal with the issue of Aboriginal Welfare, and I am sick and tired of seeing headlines such as, 'Australia's Shame', etc., when I personally, along with the majority of other urban dwelling Australians have NO SAY, in any practical sense, in how this issue is dealt with. If the people who are pushing this proposal cannot state, with evidence, how this 'Voice' thing will be beneficial to Indigenous Australians, in a practical way, they can shove it.

[@conradgaarder2789]

It’s ALWAYS about race. What is an “indigenous “ view? Those people were literally living in the Stone Age when Europeans encountered them. and were it not for that encounter, they would be living in the same way today.

[@212Nippa]

So, all the past and present POLITICIANS have failed to solve the sad plight of our aboriginal people. Therefore, we’re going to select a new group of aboriginal POLITICIANS to get the job done. See the problem?

[@SaintKimbo]

Not to mention that there is a DEPARTMENT OF INDIGENOUS AFFAIRS that is run by a Minister, Linda Birney, who is an INDIGENOUS AUSTRALIAN !!!!! Linda Burney, a proud member of the Wiradjuri Nation, grew up in Whitton, in south-west NSW and began her career as a teacher in Western Sydney after graduating as one of the first Aboriginal students at Mitchell College, now Charles Sturt University. She moved into education policy and was involved in the first Aboriginal education policy in New South Wales. In 2000, she was appointed Director General of the NSW Department of Aboriginal Affairs and was awarded an Honorary Doctorate in Education by Charles Sturt University in 2002. Apparently, Indigenous Australians need a 'voice' in the Australian Government, that has a whole department dedicated to Indigenous Australians run by an Indigenous Australian, who has 22 years of experience !!! You can't make this stuff up !

[@brianmcdonald517]

Every one must listen to Jacinta price on the voice, she says NO, I will not vote yes.

[@tammy9411]

We will never come together until people a) take responsibility for their actions, and b) stop living in the past & look to the future. As long as you keep looking for revenge & reparation there will always be hostility & division. You will never find peace, nor will you ever grow if you just sit wailing at the hurts of the past, waiting to be handed what you think you're owed. Get up, lace your boots up & get to work like everyone else has to

[@what2118]

Thanks for having the debate, respect to both of you. 👍

[@adamled99]

The indigenous voice is a bad idea. Why should one race or group of people have special political privileges? That would be constitutionally enshrined racism.

[@willdevine8266]

ah yes, racism is when you listen to the minority that was historically marginalized and who's culture was actively destroyed fora hundred years.

[@adamled99]

@@willdevine8266 racism is when you choose to elevate one group based on nothing more than race to have unique and unprecedented power in our country

[@georgesymons7044]

Maybe Kenny needs to live out West in the bush for a few years and he will see how hopeless they are . Welfare over work any day and it wont change . Been watching it for nearly 70 years as Governments come and go with rose tinted glasses on how they will solve the problem . They never do.

[@johngeier8692]

The problem is low average IQ. There is no simple solution and blaming the English colonists is disingenuous.

[@Antony_Jenner]

Agreed when you have had 60,000 plus years of energy conservation because of the environment you live in, no bloody wonder.

[@rogerroger6049]

We gave them a nation. Prior to that there were tribes with their own languages scattered sparsely throughout the land with a population of ~ 1 million. What advice will the descendants be able to give the government? How to sharpen stone axes

[@wyattfamily8997]

Yet the new rhetoric of "First Nations" people tries to convince everyone they were a "nation". It's term stolen from the north American aboriginals.

[@bubu345]

HOW 2 GET BACK 2 WHERE U ONCE BELONGED........uk