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[@williampraetorius1817]

10 years ago I got smoked up a super steep climb by a guy on old 80s steel bianchi. He was wearing a cut off tank top, cycling cap and hair down to his shoulders. He was super nice, said hello and wished me a nice ride. I could barely get the breath to say thank you. That guy changed my life.

[@spikesmundranos3308]

Thx. That was me.

[@denisrogers4358]

Rad ! You’d probably dig this- Check out Victor Vincentti of America Yes his real name. Early day tales of him hosting downhill race “Reseda to the Sea” Starting everyone off at timed incriments, jumping on his hand-made 24’ wheeled”Topanga” custom bike, passing everyone to the beach, then recording finishers from 2nd on ! Next-level ninja !

[@argeelearner3978]

Please give this a thumbs up if you want to hear Chris make a disc brake bashing video! 👍👍👍👍

[@davido8086]

This is now my favorite cycling channel on KZbin! Thanks for keeping it real!

[@blizzard2507]

Welcome to the club 👍

[@ChrisHornerCycling]

👊👊

[@ReVoltaire]

"Ride lots. Eat less"

[@denisrogers4358]

Don’t buy upgrades Ride up grades ~Eddy M

[@aaronjacobtrent]

That the same guy who drilled holes all over his bike to try to go faster?

[@errbud]

⁠@@aaronjacobtrent yes Merckx was obsessive to his detriment at times, he would borrow tools from team cars minutes before a race to micro adjust a seat he had already fine tuned always looking for any edge a lot of it psychological more than anything else. But you cant argue with the logic of that statement its true

[@denisrogers4358]

@@aaronjacobtrent Eddy Merckx -drilluim ?

[@aaronjacobtrent]

It’s easy to argue with the statement since Eddie didn’t take his own advice. Besides, we’re all amateurs here anyway. If buying a doo-dad for my biking hobby makes me happy, then who the hell are you to tell me how to spend the money I worked for? You paying my mortgage or contributing to my 401k? Also, and I know this is going to sound bananas insane: you can actually buy upgrades AND ride up grades. The $7000 skin suit is a red herring anyway. Look up “homologation special” to better understand the concept. No one on Chris’s group ride was wearing a skinsuit like that.

[@BlueMoonday19]

Said a man from one of the flattest countries in Europe 😂

[@jeanholt9633]

My favorite a few years back in California ... dude was at the local coffee shop with a $15k bike and every gizmo imaginable ... I thought it had to be a pro ... this guy walks out with a coffee and a skin suit, sits down next to his bike and lights up a cigarette.

[@MA_808]

Smoking in the professional ranks is not unknown during racing and training. I could name names but I wont.

[@ChrisHornerCycling]

I would love to have that on video. 😂👊🚬🚲

[@WolfiegangAmil]

@@MA_808 there are professional losers in this world I guess

[@davidlockwood2799]

Horner used to smoke.... Amateurs. he he ha

[@davidlockwood2799]

Probably out smokin' a pack right now....

[@daness40]

Chris Horner vs. The Cycling Industry....and I'm all for it 😂

[@kenrodriguez3067]

Chris, you hit the nail right on the head. I'm 62 and riding a 6 year old Pinarello with rim brakes and mechanical shifting. There is no substitute for miles and a plan. I do my intervals, hill repeats and tempo rides. I ride over 10,000K a year and still mix it up with the 20 and 30 year-olds. I can't see dropping 8 grand on a new bike because it's not going to make me that much faster. Save your money kids and train to race. Push yourselves beyond your limits. You won't regret it.

[@JibbaJabber]

Lol - 'with a tan line like that you'd get beaten up' 😂 You should see my farmer's tan when I swim!

[@rayF4rio]

Remember, Chris used to ride with cut off sleeves! 😂

[@xander0901]

I grew up doing club swimming and I would go to class in high school looking like a raccoon with the goggle tan. Wearing glasses helped a bit with that.

[@ChrisHornerCycling]

😂👊

[@ShibaInu154]

Bike manufacturers turning Cycling into the Americas Cup. . .

[@KevinKimmich44024]

good analogy

[@veganpotterthevegan]

The important stuff is cheaper now...especially accounting for inflation. A wired SRM used to cost $5000 and noodley, narrow Zipps that melted on descents were $2300

[@ChrisHornerCycling]

True that. 😱.

[@robertchubb5602]

"RIM FOR ROAD...DISCS FOR DIRT!"

[@christopherandstephaniehil5782]

70, happy to be riding

[@secretagent86]

Age 67. Fat and slow but did 4500 km last year. Best bike upgrade is continental gp 5000 tires with laytex tubes. My one luxury bike item. Well i do have two older bikes 2011 and 2019

[@Rick-zx2ik]

@@secretagent86Why are using latex tubes? Sincere question.

[@whynotride327]

73 and glad to be able to ride and enjoy what I love to do.

[@jeffs5519]

Brilliant vid Chris! 180 degrees opposite GCN. Love you man.

[@Rick-zx2ik]

Does GCN even exist anymore?

[@BigBrownMonke]

@@Rick-zx2ikthey only come out their cave when brands offers them money to advertise bs products lol

[@xander0901]

I don’t watch much GCN content, but I know their sister channel GTN (Global Triathlon Network) gives a lot of great advice on how to do triathlon on a budget since they cater their content to age groupers. Naturally, this includes good cycling content since it is one of the 3 disciplines.

[@xAudiolith]

@@Rick-zx2ik GCN died when Matt Stephens left imo

[@robbchastain3036]

Those 44cm bars will qualify you, Chris, for an off-season job as a Greyhound driver. 😀

[@ChrisHornerCycling]

Hehehe. 👊😂

[@ffskierdune6226]

Thanks for keeping it real. My first coach always said " It not about the bike, it's the motor."

[@TracKnGravelDeWd]

CH speaking the truth. Nothing is more important than the motor.

[@ThisIsANameBruh]

Tell that to Laurent Fignon.

[@Rick-zx2ik]

@@ThisIsANameBruhIf he just would’ve used those aero bars. 😮😮

[@TracKnGravelDeWd]

@@ThisIsANameBruh I can't, he's dead.

[@ChrisHornerCycling]

👊👊

[@johncunningham5145]

When I was racing as a cat 3 amateur I told my teammates to spend money on days off of work, racing every week, hotel stays and weekly massages. We had a frame sponsor and a bicycle shop sponsor.

[@Brdaification]

The youtube cycling space needs this “no sponsors, cut the crap” content desperatly 🎉

[@RepublicanJesusthe2nd]

Cracks me up when people spend thousands of dollars on a expensive bicycle when they're 20 lbs overweight at least. Smh

[@secretagent86]

Fat old man. Ride used bikes but as an ex racer i still do some zooming

[@secretagent86]

BEen there on the tight budget. Had one pair of bike shorts when young

[@secretagent86]

8 watts saving on pedals 😂😂😂

[@secretagent86]

Good sensible video

[@Saladh_Olivier]

This is a not good generalised perspective. It’s like comparing buying a very expensive watch or a car, while their direct objectives could be achieved with, say, simpler versions. If people want and can afford a bike they ride on, that is up to them. Don’t judge them or laugh at them. That is totally acceptable. Maybe, just maybe, having and riding that bike is the only thing that motivates them riding bikes.

[@rickguerrero2282]

I agree wholeheartedly that most claims about “buy this to make you faster” are a bunch of horsesh*t! The only thing that makes you faster is riding hard - and smart. I am 66 years old and my “real fast” cycling days are behind me…….but I still get out there every other day on my 2002 Cannondale CAAD 7 and my 2004 Specialized Roubaix Pro and ride. I must part ways with Mr. Horner on intervals, though. I am not as gifted as he is/was so intervals DO help me stay fast & fit. They help me make hard, timed, wattage-specific efforts. Without a workout plan, I found myself spending too much time in Zone 3 and not pushing myself. Thanks for all of these cycling conversations. Your insights are always appreciated!

[@ChrisHornerCycling]

Go get some 👊👊👊

[@hectoralejandro3344]

Hello Chris, you're absolutely right, not because you play a Fender Stratocaster you"ll be a Jimmy Hendricks LOL.

[@ChrisHornerCycling]

😂👊

[@drusek57]

I would love to see a video on property stretching, Chris! I thoroughly enjoy your channel!

[@zoso73]

Would love to see Chris Horner and Durian Rider do a Team-Up KZbin video railing on cycling nonsense.

[@juancitogario787]

That’s the best real world take on that subject on KZbin so far, period.

[@douglaskalb4552]

It will outright anger some riders - truth hurts. Long ago, I did a clinic with a similar theme, and more typical in men, but the hostility was as though they'd been castrated.

[@pav4o23]

It's funny when Decathlon announced that they were entering the WorldTeams with their top model Van Rysel bikes. Immediately there were comments on very respected youtube cycling tech channels, that the frame looks like with last year trends and they don't think it would be particularly fast bike. And then a Continental team rider won a race with exact frame and even with mid range groupsets against worldtour teams. Again spot-on comment from You. ✊

[@charlesblithfield6182]

In this order: Excellent fresh whole food and a very good mattress. Very good wheels and exceptional tires, the gear to keep your drivetrain very clean. Shoes and pedals. The occasional massage when training is in a harder phase.

[@Rick-zx2ik]

Same

[@karennay5993]

I have to share, i ride mtn bikes and have since the 1980's when thete wasn't shocks or disk breaks. We all rode hard things I'd never be able to ride now. So two years ago i upgraded my 2008 Rocky mtn bike to a Specialized Carbon Stump jumper with 29 ' wheels. OMG, i was suddenly faster, easily ride over rocks and up techie stuff that i could not on my 2008 mtn bike. Its been a joy riding this bike but even with all these uogrades I'm old now, 60's and i ain't never gonna beat my old 20 something self, age matters!

[@cayennepeppa707]

It's not the bike- it's the engine. That's been true since the beginning of cycling and it always will be. Loved the vlog. It's easy to get caught up in all the techy-stuff out there.

[@markallen242]

Chris, your tarmac is up there with the best bikes ever made. May even be an advantage over the new stuff! Keep it rolling!

[@Oldgames1000]

I'd love to see a workbench / tool video. What to have in your tool area workbench.

[@recrevs963]

Good idea. He did one a couple years ago from his garage

[@BlueMoonday19]

For some of the riders he is joking about; their favourite tool is a small, rectangular piece of plastic, usually gold in colour.

[@Rick-zx2ik]

@@BlueMoonday19Are those made at American Express?

[@ChrisHornerCycling]

I will have to get organized for that video and do a clean up of the garage because the Horner Foundation bikes are all over the place. 👊😱

[@kennethward9530]

I wear the tall socks riding XC MTB-helps prevent rashes and scratches from all the poison ivy and raspberry overgrowth on local trails

[@Rick-zx2ik]

Same. I roll with 7s on the road too. I’m sorry, but the little short socks look pretty ….eeeeh. 😂

[@xAudiolith]

@@Rick-zx2ik Yeah let's be real the short socks look pretty bad 😅

[@docsamuelcompton2030]

My favorite quote from Top Gun: Maverick, "It's not the Plane. It's the Pilot." Anyways....I totally agree what you're saying and what that favorite quote is saying. It doesn't matter what one is doing, whether it's motorcycle, cycling, or even paintball! We see someone out there with the most expensive gear, and they're so amateur about sport/activity thinking the best money in the world will get them the best results. Instead, it gets them empty promises and an empty wallet. When I ride my Fuji, all I wear is an old, worn-out US Navy cycling jersey, and a pair of nut-hugging US Marine Corps issued green shorts. 40-50 miles with no padding whatsoever.

[@Rick-zx2ik]

Agree; however, having really good suspension on a motorcycle makes a huggggggge difference.

[@jeffmurphree2937]

Chris, 30 years ago when I raced, it was the titanium rage to save ounces off your bike. The price was astronomical. I looked at the guys buying all the parts and I asked them they could save a lot of weight at no cost. They scoffed at me and asked me how. I told them to get back on their bikes and ride more and stop being so fat. I weighed 130 lbs. 😂

[@TheWorldisaLIE2]

it always amused me to see guys on the tuesday rides that had the latest new mercedes car and new bike but were overweight with bulging stomachs

[@MalcolmTroon]

Most likely those Ti bikes are still on the road. "Ti" for timeless.

[@markvonwisco7369]

True! It's a lot cheaper to lose lose 2 pounds of body weight than to shave 2 pounds of weight off your bike!

[@TheWorldisaLIE2]

@@markvonwisco7369 2lbs? lol most cyclists i see could lose 15 to 30 lbs if they took it serious.

[@markvonwisco7369]

@@TheWorldisaLIE2 You're not wrong. I just picked a realistic weight by which you could lighten a bike.

[@andrewdeck7945]

Truth bombs left and right!

[@gbart981]

At 71, I still love my 1988 American Comp Lite. I'm still upgrading parts, and it looks and rides better than ever. Just keep it fun, folks! Thanks again, Chris!

[@yules_3000]

Chris you're the exception. You peaked at 42!!!! Thanks for posting those videos. It's ok to spend money, but eventually if it saves you 20 watts on the wind tunnel when riding solo at 45kph, it saves you 1.5 watts when you're drafting with 3 other riders at the same speed. Where it does matter is TT. But normal people should not ride TT bikes anyhow :)

[@ChrisHornerCycling]

TT’s take all your money. 😱👍

[@kusalperera8839]

Thx Chris for being dare to tell all openly

[@rik.erhardson]

What a guy! Finally somebody is openly speaking about all this shit. Though higher socks just look better.

[@davidlockwood2799]

Attitude not Altitude.... You can't buy mental toughness.... Right on Chris, shared the broke ness... Old School 1980s 90s socks ... My MOLTENI Merckx crushes it w/ 66 44s 180s, 53 & 42 w/ straight block (I have mountain allergy lol). Written best by NY Times correspondent Robert Daly 1950s " Fame, Fortune, Rest for aching legs await over the mountains... but first you must sweat the big drops" He also said, "In bike racing, the peaks are high and a rider can plunge a long way down" Great channel Horner, glad to share this w/ you. Hey kids, listen to Chris... Like durianrider says when you know, YOU KNOW... y'know..

[@paolomasone3754]

you got that, chris; contrary to an article in a current internet cycling magazine asserting that amateur road cycling is not a luxury endeavor

[@Rick-zx2ik]

What is an internet cycling magazine? Sincere question.

[@ChrisHornerCycling]

👍

[@utube7930]

Keep dropping the truth bombs 💥👊

[@jochem1986]

It's undeniable that bike and apparel technology will make you the fastest you can be, right now, with your current fitness levels. But when talking about absolutes, it's cheaper to train more.

[@wm.b.bowman2634]

After 20 years(or so) on the side lines I pulled my 1996, custom Land Shark, steel frame off the hooks in my garage…replaced the 24 year old campy group set, got a new set of wheels and pedals and have been happily riding since May 2022. At my age I’m not winning the Tour de France but I did lead the local once a year sponsored ride, the Citrus Classic, while happily riding my bike for all it’s worth. Good enough for me (and good enough for a middle aged man to ride at the front).

[@cbennii7]

Truth bombs here calling out sham marketing 👊👊

[@janiser4711]

GC Horner for TdF 2024! 🦅🇺🇸

[@alex9046]

5:50 lol 22mm bars and your bike goes by itself

[@JohnRider]

“A little ridiculous!” Truer words have never been said. 💯

[@adamkuenzel1878]

Could you do an episode on the moment you realized you wanted to go pro and/or knew you could become a professional cyclist? Was there a particular race or training ride, encouragement from a coach or mentor that led to your decision? How did you get into cycling and how did it become central to your life? Thanks, Chris. I love your show!

[@nfeht2]

One of the guys on my Saturday coffee shop ride was looking to by a nice set of wheels to go faster. I interrupted the conversation stating "if your upgrading to ride faster, save your money you will be disappointed. To get faster you need to ride more (train). Now if you like the look of the wheels on your bike and it's in you budget buy the shit out of those wheels, we all like riding a cool looking bike.

[@philipaddyman7402]

Nice work !

[@kathleensullivan3926]

Love this Chris!❤

[@erlendsteren9466]

I agree Chris, and I will upgrade my legs.

[@dennishopp7071]

Well Spoken Chris! Definetly great words of wisdom for any young or new rider coming into the sport. Keep this content coming!

[@ChrisHornerCycling]

👊👊

[@adamcurpier]

Great video! Speaking the truth!

[@todwilliamson1019]

Keep up the good work! Can't wait till your next episode.

[@flavforpar]

Such great information! Keep it coming CH!!!!

[@KentuckyMortgageExpert]

Love your channel Chris. Keep up the good work

[@paulwebster4499]

Boom loving this knew format. Keep um coming 👊

[@pixym]

So much truth in this video !

[@johnwalsh9285]

Thank you Chris

[@paulmeggs5315]

Well said, Professor Horner!

[@giacomocogorno]

Thanks for keeping it REAL Chris! So much truth in this video!!

[@EMC2Scotia]

There was something recently, on CN or elsewhere, where an ex-team mate of Pogacar said it was the manufacturer who pressured him into using discs. GCN have shown there is minimal difference between rim brakes and discs (same with groupsets), whilst now, unless you get something from pre-2020, or go custom, you are on discs. The market dictates what we use and get, even if it's not always the best or even needed (i.e. socks, all cycling socks are now so high!)

[@paulvaladez1182]

Love it!!!

[@edwardvanwormer6993]

So great to finally hear someone speaking the truth about cycling fads and myths. I'm a new subscriber and I'm really liking what I'm seeing. Keep it up!

[@MegaNugent]

Old school at its best, ya got to love it

[@jeremyjs8863]

Truth spoken here !

[@7thSeventh]

Finally some damn good advice and common sense!! Thanks so much Chris!!

[@tomseiler2408]

ALWAYS enjoy the comments and advice. Thanks!!!

[@jaimeroberto3188]

I'm having flashbacks of Jim Mora. "8 watts?! Don’t talk about-8 watts? You kidding me? 8 watts!?!"

[@davidryan4053]

Just brilliant straight talk. 👌

[@brucejanson2849]

Quite possibly the best video you have done.

[@sebastiansowieso8179]

Thank you!

[@JP-om3ou]

Love how Chris tells it like it is. Keep it up Chris!

[@guidonvanonder]

Excellent vid :D

[@danochiara8544]

Well said Chris!

[@ChrisHornerCycling]

👊👊

[@kovar2344]

Much needed video. Hope lot of people see this one!

[@AngelGonzalez-hc4zw]

Love and Passion for the sport, a proper bike fit and being teachable = a happy cycling life. Thanks Chris!

[@SeahawkSailor]

Amen! It’s the rider, not the bike…

[@sylvainmichaud2262]

Sooooooooo refreshingly honest !

[@Asaya911]

Thank you so much ❤

[@ChrisHornerCycling]

👊🙏

[@robertnobles8189]

I love the humor! Lol

[@ChrisHornerCycling]

👊😜👍

[@Servicevelo]

I own a 1992 Giant Peloton, steel frame 10 speed, mudguards and lights. I use it to go “carbon killing” in Cheshire. Love it. Then I love my SRAM red kitted out Vitus aero. Much faster but I love them both the same.

[@VeloTrip]

The San Diego's Velodrome's Swap meet spring and autumn was where I got most of my equipment when I was racing😂

[@harveykramer3798]

Love big handlebars 😎

[@davidelmer4302]

Also, as a 56 year old, would love a horners corner showing your stretching routine

[@markmark2469]

Hey Chris, I love your insight on so many things cycling but wanted to give you, my opinion. I know I am straying from the theme but here it goes. My bars are 38cm and they are pretty nice and didn't cost too much. The narrower the bars the closer you get to approaching an aero bar setup. Although I agree with not spending money foolishly, I do think the right tires are a big help. I am currently riding 28mm Vittoria Corsa Pro with Latex tubes. Until you have rode with them - don't judge - they are outstanding especially on rough pavement. If you want to spend a little more money I do love my Ceramic Speed bottom bracket. Also, if you do a lot of climbing DI2 is pretty nice! As far as training, hill intervals or simply riding at tempo over rolling hills is a pretty good workout. To me if you are not doing significant elevation work you are missing a key component of your training. Being the right body weight is key too especially if your race is hilly. I think Pogacar has dropped about 6 pounds since last season, and I think he may be unbeatable at the Giro if he holds up and races smart.

[@jeretalbot8310]

Chris, ive been watching the old TD on youtube. most enjoyable! i have found a way to really increase my speed but im reluctant to share it with just anyone! but here goes EBIKE!

[@gverb1950]

You said it brother😄

[@wayneliem718]

Another solid contain, Chris. Waiting for the bike review from you, Go S Works

[@ehthrough]

I love wide bars too. Great content Chris!

[@adamholliday3391]

Narrow bars are pretty cheap. I've got a shallow deda rhm 42cm handlebar for £12

[@ChrisHornerCycling]

They are great. 👊👊

[@jesselobo3213]

Thanks Chris your points are appreciated, and I am happy that you have confirmed how I should continue to train for my rides. I am lucky to have two bikes an aluminum Trek 1000 and a Carbon Trek 5000. These bikes have been beasts and I have been riding them for about 20 years. The costs of riding now have escalated to the point that it would make me think twice before investing in purchasing a road bike and the complimentary tech needed to ride.

[@mikespadafora9077]

Thank you thank you thank you! So tired of other you tube channels flogging all this nonsense. You are the honest voice of reason and truth!

[@jonathanrentschler3158]

Hey Chris! Jon Rentschler from Ohio - you contacted me a few years back about KTM TPI problems. GREAT video!! Like we tell the kids, there's NO MAGIC in bicycle or motorcycle racing. Hard work and dedication gets you where you want to be. Interesting comment you made regarding long socks to keep your achilles warm in cold weather. I just recovered from a complete achilles rupture. 5 months from surgery to complete recovery and back to bicycling, offroad motorcycle riding and trials. If you have chronic achilles tendonitis, get it treated BEFORE it totally ruptures!!

[@9090Glenn]

my old cycle club was filled with so many guys with deep wallets and big bellies who would spend thousands of dollars each year to boast and brag about their latest tech that saved them 5g on bike weight - yet these same guys would refuse to ride an extra 1km each week to lose a pound or two - its unbelievable mentality but one that the bike industry relies on to stay in business because THOSE types of riders are always out there - the big bellies were always trying goad me into buying a top line Colnago C6 like they had when all I had was a poor man's entry-level aluminium Aquila Squadra - it was heavy and low tech and the cheapest bike in our peloton but it was all I could afford - I even wore women's PINK bike shoes because they happened to be on sale and were what I could afford - my reply whenever any of the big bellies asked me when I was going to upgrade was succinctly this - "I will BUY a Colnago bike when I have Colnago LEGS" ..... they NEVER harassed me again

[@-es2bf]

just got a trek madone 5.2 for 500 euro. Put on mtb pedals so I can change between my alu mtb and my new new trek. They are both great bikes that make me happy.

[@ChrisHornerCycling]

There are some nice bikes made not to long ago that you can get at really good price and then bike is still light and fast. Enjoy 👊🦋🚲

[@Ian-Saxon]

The voice of common sense and it’s all true 👍👏cheers for the upload Chris.

[@maxwellmcdowell3744]

Thanks Chris. It's so easy to get your head turned the wrong way when watching these other cycling programs ( mostly non or semi pros). LUCKILY for me , I've always been too poor to fall into that hole. It forced me to focus on the basics.

[@Catulini]

What a beauty that RBrake bike 👍🏼 !

[@Rick-zx2ik]

2013 BH Ultralight. Newer DA cable 11-sp with rim brakes. In almost mint condition. Will never sell it. Screw disc brakes on bicycles. Ridiculous IMHO.

[@smoothcontrol33]

My upgrades that I like to spend money on are things like a new chain and cleats. It means I have put in miles.

[@spikesmundranos3308]

One inch socks rawks!!! 🤜