The Most Advanced Carbon Wheelset in 2024 | The NERO Show Ep. 84

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If money was no object, what wheels would we buy. We do a deep dive into what a premium wheel set looks like in 2024 and of course compare main stream brands like Cadex's new MAX 40'a to the Windspace Hypers and CRW Chinese comrades.
Aero bike v Climbing bike might be a 2016 GCN video title, but we go back down the rabbit hole, and we discuss the response to last weeks SRAM Red Launch.
Chapters
00:00 intro
00:30 Does The Perfect Wheelset Exists?
14:13 Jesse Chooses His Wheels
22:41 New Reserve Wheels
31:20 Integrated Bar/Stem Concerns
33:43 Subscriber Question
35:00 TCR Week 1
45:55 New Tyres From Good Year
50:25 SRAM Launch Reaction
57:38 New Nero Kit Update
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[@Sweetskis]

THE #1 Cycling Podcast. THE only podcast that holds its speed and just begs to be ridden out of the saddle!

[@gregbrown3764]

It's also snappy and very responsive 🤣

[@JPDCC]

It just holds its speed

[@JulianKent]

Stiffer and more compliant.

[@unklesannjay]

No. LRCP

[@StoryCycling]

Best carbon layup of all the podcasts

[@10ktube]

This show hit close to home for me. I have many bikes. I did my own side by side ride tests with 2 very different bikes. Bike 1, Lab 71 with full Dura Ace, and the CRW4045 wheels you guys speak of. Built the bike up early this year. Bike 2 - Ritchey Road Logic steel, rim brake, etap 11 speed, box rims 23mm, 32 spokes. Lab 71 has 28mm tubeless GP5000, Ritchey has 28mm GP5000 tubed with latex. I don't ride the Ritchey a ton so don't want to deal with tubeless maintenance. I bike commute for training volume. I took the same route to work for this test, and avg power was 229w for the 22 mile ride. My MPH average was 20.7 on both bikes. My power again, identical. To rule out aero/rolling resistance/whatever, my backup metric was my heart rate, which was within 2 beats of each other (133 I believe average). I wear basically the same thing to ride, and carry a small daypack on my back. Weather was within a couple degrees of each other, air pressure same ish, and even if something was different there, my HR/Power/something would be varied. it's not. My position is almost the same I can make it, I use the same psi in my tires 60/63. And this isn't a steel vs carbon, rim vs disc, new vs old, this is I have 2 very different bikes, with very different setups in terms of tech, and I have the same exact ride metrics. To really screw with this test, my max speed was 40.x on the Lab 71, and 41.x on the Ritchey. Not to edge towards the ritchey, but to debunk the "well it matters at higher speeds" argument. Seriously, enlighten me how this is even possible. This isn't the first time I've noticed this either, I use the Ritchey for long rides, and have noticed my avg speed is just the same on it. Lay it on me.

[@tommyfreckmann6857]

My testing indicates nearly the same. When I have averaged the results of my aero frame vs Colnago C40, the aero frame is approx .2 mph faster overall. Running same exact wheels, positioning, clothing, PM, etc. Edit: my average test speeds were between 25-26mph averages on back to back runs with random swaps.

[@jasonhurst2491]

Settting aside possible variations in wind direction and speed that may give a little here and take a little there, it would be very interesting to look at detailed power and speed traces for each bike. Pinpoint exactly where any differences are occurring. The devil is no doubt hiding in that detail.

[@aidanmasterson50]

It’s possible because the bike industry has told us Aero matters, but the bike makes up such a small proportion of the full system metric, that it’s imperceivable at speeds less than 35kph, which is what most us normal folk do.

[@rexringschott]

Sounds like you need to find a friendly aeronautical engineer with a wind tunnel to sort this one out.

[@10ktube]

@@jasonhurst2491 Just did this in Garmin Connect, expecting to find something. On flat part of ride, the lines are as close to on top of each other as I can describe, near identical. On UPHILLS, the Lab 71 has a slightly steeper (faster) rate of speed, and on the DOWNHILLS, the Ritchey has almost the same deviation back in it's favor. It's SLIGHT though. But basically the lighter system goes up a hill SLIGHTLY faster, and the heavier goes down SLIGHTLY faster, but I'm talking "meh" level of difference, but is a noticeable pattern either way. Nonetheless, for the price differences between the two, and their technology, even at 20MPH normal people speeds, something should be different. You'd be able to detect something even at slower speeds, and especially on my 40MPH decent. If the show hosts read and want to let me fanboy it up, I'll send data files and they can have a chat about it.

[@PeakTorque]

Staggered widths: most are wider on the front, which i really don't get from an aero and comfort standpoint. Synchros have got it right in my opinion - wider on the back where you want more volume for a wider footprint on a bigger tyre, for basically zero aero penalty. Some wheels I have are 25mm inner on the front and 21mm on the back. The rear 30mm tyre sits like a lightbulb, and the front 28mm tyre looks like its gonna pop off like a ricer tuned Miata with stretched tyres!

[@junksmiles]

I believe the wider front is supposed to handle crosswinds better. The rear wheel doesn't move. The front wheel can be turned by the wind, so you'd want a wider wheel to lessen this efect.

[@carsonau116]

@@junksmiles but then why would you make the rear narrower?

[@Silidons91]

@@junksmiles but what about the argument that deeper rims are more aero. that refutes that claim LOL

[@PeakTorque]

@@carsonau116exactly. Just make them the same width!

[@utube7930]

Probably to do with increasing frame compatibility, as there's usually tighter clearance on the rear triangle. Maximise sales, minimise issues

[@gplama]

The new SRAM Red had been leaked for months before the official embargo was lifted. Outlets like GCN and others had already covered it extensively, so there was no "WOW! THIS IS NEW!" moment that usually drives a surge in video views upon official release. This was similar to the launch of the new Karoo, where all the specs were known beforehand. Add to this the fact that there was nothing substantially new about either release; they were merely updates and revisions to existing products. While the months of pre-release leaks generate sustained hype and attention, benefiting both SRAM and the larger media entities immune to shitlisting, it creates challenges for smaller content creators. It becomes less viable for us to cover these releases.

[@sytsedijkstra]

Make some branded waterbottles/bidons! I would love to show off my support to the NERO show :)

[@Sweetskis]

I’d definitely buy a Nero water bottle.

[@johnwolff1043]

Heck yeah

[@Gabrielle4870]

Elite bottle pls

[@TheTinnedBeanReviewChannel]

Yes please!

[@harrisontait5756]

This wheel chat is exactly why Jesse should’ve got the new TCR to ride. Would have been interesting for him to actually experience the ride feel of the cadex’s rather than just reading the spec sheets

[@out_spocken]

I don't know anyone that judges a product based on specs. It's the dumbest metric to ever use. Specs don't matter if it's not built well. On paper the phone ei bought my mum is ace....but it sucks in person. Ie...a camera that is 100mp on a phone isn't better than a 10mp camera on an iPhone or pixel as an example. I don't understand how someone can legitimately offer any review on something they've never used. Kinda like dating too. Well on paper they sound amazing. On person they were a shocker lol

[@bubbachua]

Scope artech 4/6 are probably the lightest ones out there now

[@MrMattie725]

Riding my 9Velo wheels for two weeks. 1300 gram for 45mm deep and not even carbon spokes. Mainly went with those because of Peak Torque, Trace Velo, Hambini's reviews and their 850 EUR price.

[@PeakTorque]

A solid bet, and more comfy than carbon spokes.

[@MrMattie725]

@@PeakTorque And used your code btw!

[@markharrison6120]

@@MrMattie725 same... smart money.... led to buying the MT30 also for the XC bike.. cheers PT

[@jasonhurst2491]

I have the 9Velo GV45 wheels on my Scott Addict endurance bike with 32mm Bontrager tyres. Tyres measure a smidge under 34mm at 60psi. Comfy, loads of grip and bullet proof for the last 12 months or so. Recently changed from butyl to TPU tubes to see if the reality matched the hype. Feels different. Perhaps more compliant. Too many variables to confirm any speed advantage. Certainly no negatives so far. Bottom line, it's a setup that perfectly matches my riding ability and roads at a very reasonable price. Couldn't care less about high-end name brand wheels and certainly not willing to pay for them even if I was fast enough to care. Great show as awlays though.

[@migatron7359]

Same. LV 2.0 45mm on my Aethos. Done. (& used Peak Torque also!)

[@SquareyCircley]

Yo Nero suit only took 5 days to arrive in Japan, really keeps it's speed lol. Nice race fit and super breathable. Will wear for races this summer, thanks

[@mhmm9576]

Newmen (german brand) just released 3 new wheelsets yesterday: 35/38 with 22mm internal, 29.5mm external and a wheight of 1035g 49/54 with 24mm internal, 33,3mm external at 1300g 60/66 with 22mm internal, 32mm external at 1355g all coming in at 1690€

[@ahhalla]

This seems to be the way

[@Alonso-hj6uz]

holy shit thats light

[@ilja2947]

Got a link? Not finding those on the Newmen website.

[@glennoc8585]

Are the rims spokes and hubs made in Germany or are the pats sourced from se Asia and assembled in Germany?

[@ilja2947]

@@glennoc8585 My uneducated guess is that those wheels are built in China, as Newmen components might be part of Cube bicycles, whose frames are made in China. The "ChinaCycling" channel claims Cube bikes are made in a Chinese factory, that is selling their own frames under the brand "Bros". Also, besides Meilenstein wheels, I don't things there are western manufacturers of Carbon spokes.

[@BMD8]

My favourite wheels to ride, regardless of marketing or specs, IN RIM BRAKE are campys, the brake really well especially carbon ones even when wet, and feel the stiffest laterally thanks to the rear wheel having the straight double spokes on DS and cup and cone bearings

[@decoherence926]

Crazy prices, you can outfit a complete Rogue home gym in your garage with what some of these wheels go for. What a joke the cycling industry has become.

[@out_spocken]

No...the high end of the cycling industry..which isn't any different to any other industry. Propels expectations have gone up. Everyone now thinks they should be able to buy the best for cheap. That's never been the car and not how anything anywhere works. Noonea stopping people buy a second hand $300 bike that is still amazing and with a few updates to a decent modern saddle so the job just fine. But everyone wants 12sp. Everyone wants carbon aero wheels (which is almost a given on any group ride now). Everyone is wearing $400 kit for a weekday group ride. $400 shoes. That's cool if you want that. But you can ride for much less. People are just suckers for marketing and consumerism

[@MartinBrown-mb7pz]

WTF is a Rogue gym?

[@chiefwarmpaws]

@@MartinBrown-mb7pz i don't know either, but i do know - if i had a garage - i wouldn't want to be stuck inside it doing exercise!

[@BevandEdMusic]

@@out_spocken I don't think it's that everyone wants the total latest and greatest. I just remember when I got into the sport 10 years ago the entry racer/midrange stuff was pretty affordable and had a lot of the more recent features. I bought a 105 11sp Giant propel the year 105 went 11sp for about £1200, accounting for inflation the lowest spec 105 propel should be in the region of £1600 but is currently on offer for £2400 down from £3000. Disc brakes and an 12th gear just aren't worth that to me, so as you advise when I crashed the propel, I'm on a 2012 frame I picked up for cheap. However it would be nice to get something resembling a recent release at some point without having to pillage my savings quite so much haha. I dare say many people are in a similar position.

[@Penalist]

You could buy 40 Honda Jazz's for the price of the Pagani Utopia !1!!1

[@pasghettiboy1859]

a little disapointed not to hear you two mention that on a hookless 25mm internal rim the ISO state that the thinest tyre to safely run is a 29mm printed width, so effectively you need to run a 30mm tyre. escape collective have covered this at length. also james huang has a review of thee syncross wheels

[@danielvenancio7483]

Have you guys seen the LUN MEGA Wheels? They are the Winspace equivalent of these Cadex with the integrated carbon hubs with carbon spokes... Just saying because you make it sound like Cadex are the only wheels running this "New" tech... Love the podcast gents, keep them coming!!

[@michaelnewman4302]

SRAM Red "trickle down"; Chris *nailed* this. I'm not a Red buyer. I just want to know when Rival gets that lever design.

[@webbovich77]

Rival got that hood design in 2021. Force got it in 2023. Red got it in 2024.

[@michaelnewman4302]

@@webbovich77This is incorrect. The shape was changed, but not to the extent that the new Red horizontal piston allows. That internal trickling down matters.

[@valmorell]

The real question here is, why are there suddenly so many wheel brands? Not that hard to figure out when one looks at the INSANE prices.

[@christopherbaird4952]

I've never heard this talked about with wheels, but it should be: an 800 gram wheel with a 300 gram rim and a 500 gram hub will accelerate faster and handle lighter than an 800 gram wheel with a 500 gram rim and a 300 gram hub. Weight distribution in wheels matters, not just overall weight.

[@jeffservaas]

The rotational mass makes only a 2% difference to power needed to spin up. It’s basically imperceptible. It’s an urban myth that has been debunked.

[@christopherbaird4952]

@@jeffservaas what about lateral acceleration of a spinning wheel?

[@JonReid]

Regarding the interest on the groupset, I personally don't find groupset chat very compelling, so when all the channels I follow post a similar video of marginal improvements in a groupset, I only need to watch 1.

[@robbchastain3036]

Well said, it was as if a hundred channels all hit the beach at the same time with the same story. And great, no knock on the storytellers, just that one or two adequately covers the base.

[@edmundjones1613]

Meta experience of being overtaken by Jessie in Centennial park while listening to Jessie talking about many park laps. Also I have a bike with the Wheeltop edx groupset in Sydney if you want to compare to Ltwoo when you get that built up.

[@pomidorowa6]

For the price of Cadex'es you can get Scope Artech which either have the same height and weight 100g less or weight similar but are 65mm deep

[@droppedprobably]

I have an enve rim brake rim splinter carbon off the hooked part after hitting a pothole and since Enve stopped producing rim brake three years ago, they can’t replace them and stopped providing support to anyone that has a rim brake wheelset. The best they could do is offer 30% off msrp for any of their new wheels so their lifetime warranty wasn’t exactly lifetime. I’d be wary of buying name brands as it only seems to be worth it if you have an incident in the first 2-3 years of ownership. I rather buy a Chinese brand that’s been proven to be excellent performance and build quality.

[@petersouthernboy6327]

Oh, the Chinese stuff breaks as well. Rest assured.

[@droppedprobably]

@@petersouthernboy6327 anything has the potential to break but givens enves reputation and price, i'd expect more than just 30% off and at the price point, they're still very expensive with that discount. I've had a set of winspace hypers for 3 years with zero issues and was far a better performance wheel, although harsher, than the enves by far.

[@charlierennie9192]

@@petersouthernboy6327the difference is enve wheels cost 3x more and aren’t any less likely to break

[@nilsosinga9029]

If price isn’t the issue. Scope Artech is true R and D made in the Netherlands.

[@matthewmcconnell2255]

Not podcast related, I was in a race in NY a bit north of the city and I saw a lad wearing a Nero show jersey, looked awesome! Was good to see it out in the road. 🎉

[@ChrisMillerCycling]

That’s awesome mate. Yeh the US is probably the biggest audience of the show these days.

[@Heppe-iu1qo]

Scope Artech 4 // 1120 g // 23mm inner width // from the Netherlands // hooked // lifetime warranty- your welcome 😂

[@johnatan11]

Yes. Have been looking at the artechs

[@imadogsass6717]

Price?

[@DavidJohnson-he3jh]

Only $4k USD

[@83Goodyear]

It’s the difference between knowing your shit and knowing you’re shit 😂

[@MrJohnnyTN]

how wide external.. if it takes more then 10sec to find on their website, I lose interest

[@brasstinmancrazy]

Throw the S5 wheels on the TCR and do some laps and see how the speed is.

[@andrewslater6846]

34:00 I have a Vaast A1 and I freaking love it. I actually am very satisfied with my 1 bike to do it all for right now. I put GP5000 tires on it. It was on sale for $1300 so plus the tires I’m about $420 over your $1000 limit. I ride this on paved trails and I am getting faster the more I train. Eventually I’ll get a second wheel set so I can ride gravel again and then later down the road I want a carbon road bike.

[@JFomo]

The latest Scope Artech wheels with the fish scales are the new hotness right now 😋

[@lemonshire1]

That TCR looks so good with the new Sram Red

[@mcveyj]

Hi Chris. If you are sceptical about the credibility of integrated handlebars, you should check whether the brand has an SGS certification. Farsports, for instance, have completed SGS testing on both of their handlebars, the F1s and F1x.

[@ChrisMillerCycling]

👍🏽

[@hankschrader2353]

CRW is 1680$, not 680

[@robbchastain3036]

I'd like to see Chris and Jesse each ride the wheels off the new Giant, really wear out the bike and themselves on a long ride, and then have a conversation about it. With Jesse getting to take it home because of his Giant street cred. 😀

[@Silidons91]

My FarSports gravel wheels are 30mm depth, 24mm internal, 30mm external...DT swiss 240 hubs...$1000 and is less than 1300g. You can get 50mm depth with same internal and external stats for same price, they're 1380g. With steel spokes. Or, for $1300, carbon spokes 50mm, 1240g. Literally FarSports is my go-to company for wheels, never had an issue with their wheels and I'm 200lbs.

[@kimwarner6050]

Farsports Hypers 50mm 24/30 1218g. Got them on sale for 800.

[@ericcoxtcu8037]

I think you're right that an LTwoo video may do better than a SRAM Red one. The big difference for the new groupset is the lever shape / brake changes. I don't think any of us is surprised that it is good. I am brand agnostic; I have an 11spd Di2 bike, and Force (both last and current gen 12 speed). I don't think anyone is overly surprised about the reviews of Red - it's good! And we all new it was coming. I bet views on the last big Ultegra / Dura Ace (and even 105) release were probably more viewed than this new Red release with the bigger change in technology. I wouldn't even be surprised if the early videos on Rival AXS were as viewed as those on Red as it was the first "cheaper" AXS groupset on the road. I've probably read and watched more on eRx than I have on either the new Force (which I own) or new Red just out of curiosity. And I'll watch / listen to Jessie's take as well.

[@davidlilja9180]

Great to hear your reasonings, went there myself. I did miss you agreeing to argue over the same rim width limitations, though! Just wondering if those Cadex Max 40's are priced like that to add value to the 2 TCR Advanced SL 0 models? After all, you can't use a wider wheel in a narrow frame, the UCI demands 4mm clearances all around a rim/tyre combo. Michael Matthews also said he's generally now on 30mm tyres, and the team mostly rides on 28s in the new kit/paint scheme pre-Tour videos, but that was 2-weeks after you made this. I settled on Chinese custom-built 45mm, U rimmed wheels in '21 on an AUD1,100 budget with 21mm ID, 28mm OD & CX Rays @ 1,320gms. The perfect max width for my RCA frameset, allowing GP5000 23 & 25mm tyres to beat the rule of 105 and 28mms without meeting that. Just like with cars, the original design specs set some limits with what one can do later, easily.

[@Al-Sihng]

These days, big brands mean nothing. It doesn’t always mean they will support you when you have an accident because of their product. They will most likely try to put the blame on you and avoid being held responsible.

[@hhansen3551]

I watched last week show to watch the Nero show. Not because I care about Sram but because I care about Chris and Jesse and their interactions.

[@TrumpetEeps]

Can you please get a Cervelo Soloist in for testing? I’m curious about the “do-it-all” claimed nature. It looks like a sweet spot, but maybe it’s just marketing. Love the show, Chris and Jesse! Thanks!

[@sharonmoller7414]

Yes, I am exactly the same - looking at the Soloist and wondering if that’s the light(er) aero-ish bike for me.

[@THECONTROVERSIALCYCLIST]

Nails on a black board. 1 hour of shilling wheels. This is a record even for you guys. Great work 🫡🤣

[@ili4707]

For R&E for western brands there is something called the ISEA: The International Sports Engineering Association These guys do a lot of tests and research for different companies including Scott and Simplon. Unis in the Association include Technikum Vienna and Sheffield Hallam.

[@junksmiles]

Money no object, I'd go with the new Scope Artech 4A. 25mm internal, 1200g wheelset. Done.

[@RoadHardened]

New Enve race day tire tested faster than GP5000

[@Adonis-qj1nq]

With significant reduction in weight and much better grip test. The new king apparently.

[@austienbryandemesa5841]

good puncture protection?

[@proffate]

​@@austienbryandemesa5841"race day" so I guess not

[@jeffservaas]

@@austienbryandemesa5841yes, check out the bicycle rolling resistance test.

[@Ghost12561]

the "Feel" is weird in cycling, it is not necessarily tangible but if data says otherwise.. you should listen to the data for sure.

[@anders6383]

Chris I am running the new Pirelli P Zero TLR made in Italy 30mms on my S5 with the Reserve 52/63 and I absolutely love them. The combination of speed, grip, and comfort is just as good as the GP5000s.

[@ChrisMillerCycling]

Very nice!

[@justinmiller7083]

Feel the same. I was a weight weenies with my O2 and now I'm running heavy aero H.E.D. wheels on my Ostro

[@nationsnumber1chump]

I noticed going from a 28 to a 25 rear cassette really feels more snappy. It can negate some of that feeling of the deeper wheelsets. Now if I can just get a lighter 50mm set. My long ass 175mm cranks also turn over a bit better which I like.

[@ShawnIsBatman]

On the SRAM Red release not pushing higher viewing numbers (for any channel), I don't see this as surprising. Red was already a premier groupset, everyone knows that and no one was expecting that to change. The updates were logical and addressed consumer feedback (braking, hoods, etc.). As far as I can tell, every channel missed the lead that would have driven viewerships....a premier product upgrade with a PRICE DROP! Given all of the noise for the past several years on the out of control pricing, SRAM made a brilliant move in the pricing of this groupset! I am shocked that no one lead with this and I am equally as shocked that SRAM was not behind the scenes telling everyone to push this.

[@cyanomical]

Also worth considering, some big name brands also have some sort of crash replacement warranty. Reserve and Bontrager both have a cost free replacement policy for a year or two if you have an issue or smash one on a pothole/kerb or even in a crash. I've gotten 2 free wheels off Bontrager, one from a car hitting me and the other from a mega pothole. Somewhat offsets the cost being higher going with a name brand.

[@chiefwarmpaws]

it's a good argument, but not all big names and policys are constantly changing - Zipp told me to PO when the rim cracked hitting a small pothole, whilst my friend on Bontrager was replaced problem free like yourself. Zipp have since changed policy on their newer wheels (not that i would be buying from them again).

[@selladore]

GP5000 STR was top tire a few years ago. No matter how well they roll on the drum it's a low tpi tire that is harsh and a cotton tire will be much better in real conditions. Also if going only by numbers check out Tufo comtura prima and Tufo made Enve ses raceday on BRR - faster, lighter and more puncture resistant.

[@user-ug4qy7ch9f]

Windspace is the way to go I have a set of the D47 and a set of the D67 love them .

[@petersouthernboy6327]

Good for you. When they wear out and inevitably break just order another set.

[@neiltucker6124]

​@@petersouthernboy6327 I take it you don't own a set? They aren't breaking very easily

[@dangerous_dave]

@@neiltucker6124 mine did - and they wouldn't replace them with the warranty

[@markr6383]

How much of the Cadex $6k price is "real" and how much is making them look premium for the Giant builds they come stock on?

[@ChrisMillerCycling]

That was kind of my point, we (well it least I do) can sometimes pigeon hole Giant as a value brand … i think this is play to get the Factor crowd.

[@rogersliu1200]

got my carbon spoke wheels, at first it is light, direct, and responsive. but dam it is harsh. I use them on a custom-made steel bike and even that it is a bit harsh

[@davidg2731]

That's what I hear about Winspace Hyper wheels!

[@morrisizing]

Scopes new wheels look interesting though I am not sure the textured rims impact performance or just the price. Have looked at the CRW wheels but reduced spoke count + weight vs robustness question and lack of comparative testing data against leading aero wheels makes me a bit unsure.

[@MartinBrown-mb7pz]

I would never buy a stock wheel set. I want to decide the rim, the spokes and especially the hub. If I can't buy the rims only, forget about it.

[@ryanrussell6298]

Israel Premier Tech are on carbon spoke wheels with Black Inc’s new 48/58’s

[@ChrisMillerCycling]

Very true … good point

[@BarePotato]

Every time Reserve says they intentionally made their wheels external nipple, well, try if you can tension it to adequate spoke tension only with external nipple wrench without spoke holder. I'm not ganna do it because 100% I will break nipples or spokes. Or the spoke tension is way too low from the beginning like 80kgf. For me serviceability on a work stand weighs far more than using external nipples. If you use round spokes and non-J bent (so straight pull) you may have a chance.

[@wrwicky]

I think narrower outside rim width is an intentional engineering choice by Giant. Since these are shallower and very light, and part of a climbing/weight weenie build, they’re very likely being used with 25 or 26mm tires and so that width is ideal for that application. It’s all part of the package!

[@jeffservaas]

They know their buyers are heavily weight weenie oriented so they’re optimizing for weight rather than aero. As an 80kg rider I put 32mm wide wheels on my TCR to optimize for aero with a 28mm tyre with a WAM of 31mm.

[@aham23]

Giant is intending Cadex to be a “high end” racing brand. Also, a set of Cadex 42s are the best set of wheels I have ridden. All for reasons Chris mentions. I am positive I could tell the difference in a “blind” test. :)

[@petervonl]

About the Syncros Capital SL wheels. Tony Fawcett (UK)/Nowt Daft on KZbin, rides them. Ask him 🙂

[@super8hell]

He's also a head of marketing at Scott UK🤫 nothing against the man, but he might be slightly biased 😗

[@NowtDaftTonyFawcett]

😆

[@petervonl]

@@NowtDaftTonyFawcett Speaking of the devil... 😆

[@stabbsy100]

Is the cadex wheel price inflated as most people wouldn't buy the wheels on their own so that a salesperson can point to the included "value" when trying to sell a TCR?

[@n_cortex1319]

100% they're priced so the complete builds look better value.

[@davidhunternyc1]

What would you say is the lightest and best 16" wheel for a Brompton? Thank you.

[@ciprian7]

This video is so refreshing, one speaks from experience and the other one from his chair ,

[@dzrdza]

Choosing Cadex and Syncros is wrong for road, because they are hookless.

[@leeparsons1994]

If this video gets 50k views, Jesse has to buy the Cadex wheels.

[@nicholasusher8075]

The problem with the Syncros wheels (or anything produced by Scott) is stock levels. Good luck ever getting a set of those wheels. I’m yet to see anyone with them (aside from a couple of Scott sponsored riders like Dangerholm, etc.) and last time I checked the Australian distributor didn’t even have an estimated date for when some might come into the country. So even if you have $7k AUD to drop on a wheelset, good luck getting them.

[@cmathews1]

Most people I know were crushed by the price of the new Red to be interested. It's insane, even for people squarely in the demographic that should be buying the highest spec'd & most expensive components.

[@SebaStian-zx5ux]

Can i put Campagnolo Bora wheelset on my Specialized S-Works or is this a no no (I'm on Sram)?

[@SebaStian-zx5ux]

Jesse Campagnolo have crap bearings?

[@rayF4rio]

I plan on getting WTO 60 C23's for my ADHX with Sram red. As a second set of wheels, other set is 303FC - and the truth is.... ZIPP has crap bearings. Campy - I've has 4 different wheelsets over the past 20 years and zero hub issues.

[@SebaStian-zx5ux]

@@rayF4rio Roval will be "better" match for Specialized (now I have Roval Fusse SLX23) but I want something more aero like Campagnolo Bora One 50 :). I love the looks of Campy wheels.

[@jimmyduffer9769]

The new Black Inc wheels are hooked and weigh 1290 grams for the 48/58's. Whats not to like?

[@alexandriamartinez863]

Why is there no chat on the Winspace d33 or d67 best bang for your buck and same specs as cadex with hooks…no brainer

[@comeridewithmeAE]

Because money is no obstacle. But the reserve 42/49 with the DT Swiss 180 hub for 2500 USD is arguably the best on the market for the money, considering the warranty that basically gives you rims for life if damage them. 25mm internal, hooked, aero, and comfortable. Nothing better, worth spending more on.

[@petersouthernboy6327]

Because specs are 10% of it. But when they inevitably break or wear out just order another set.

[@RylHango]

definitely not best bang for buck anymore, wheelsfar/farsports and superteam have better offerings

[@_gregvalencia]

I think the Winspace wheels are just too heavy compared to all of the other chinese wheel brands d67 - 1526g CRW 6575 - 1420g (also deeper) d33 - 1343g CRW 4045 - 1180g (still deeper) both have ceramic bearings and the CRW are $180 more but you save 100g-160g while also getting a more aero wheel. It's a similar story when comparing the Elite wheels to Winspace as well

[@tpostv1]

Maybe I missed the episode, but you ever talked about how the S5 compares to the Aeroad? Does one of them feel faster? Is one of them faster?

[@kidsafe]

Reserve started as Santa Cruz’s house brand.

[@digerati808]

Regarding the whole wheel talk and cycling pretentiousness, good thing we have Jesse here to keep Chris in check. Damn!

[@justsomedude7556]

I've had a couple of incidents this year where I had wheel damage and I was able to walk into the bike shop and get submit a warranty claim and get a new wheel at no cost. I've never had to warranty a wheel before, but if I had bought Chinese, that would not have happened. While I think most of the Chinese wheels are probably ok, I will stick to something I can get support for right down the road, that is worth the additional cost to me. As far as the tires, I see a lot of people running Pirelli's where I live. I run them on a couple of bikes and like them, but do admit that Continental has a bigger presence

[@soulksk]

Would you pick bmc teammachine slr01 2023 model over new tcr sl? What do you think

[@bengibson6254]

Thanks for the Happy birthday guys 🫶🏻

[@chasepalpatine170]

Spesh has carbon spoked Rovals that will be released shortly. The y just released the MTB version Roval Control SLs with carbon spokes as well.

[@MrJohnnyTN]

I have the older Enve 2.3 before the weight gain.. When I put them on my aero-bike it's like a different bike. I agree with what Chris was trying to explain about light vs full aero.

[@cascas864]

Hi! What the Frame size and seat high of the white Giant? Thx

[@thomasschragen4446]

The better comparison to the Cadex would be the Lun Mega wheels. Having a one or 4 piece wheel should be a different league for riding performance which is not limited to weight. The CRW seems to have many issues as can be seen on WeightWeenies forum PandaPodium is taken care of this but always in a passive manner. Users have to experience the issue and can then get support instead of contacting proactively users. What is the wheel for me? The FarSport with the SB270 hub and carbon wheels. External 30mm and internal 24mm for around 1000US$, weight is similar to CRW

[@noobcyclist1017]

Hi just curious on your opinion of this, its related to the wheels topic in your this podcast. Which is more reliable. An expensive wheel from a big company that has made lots of research on it but few can afford and few can comment on (ex. 4.5/5 with 100reviews). Or from a small company with affordable wheels made few research on it but lots of people have bought the wheels and has good reviews ( ex. 4.5/5 1000 reviews.)

[@Highway_95]

In the US Enve 3.4 or 4.5 are $2850. Roval CLX II are $2850. Hunt Sub50 carbon spoke are $2800. Sub50 non-CF are $1800. The Cadex Max 40s are lighter but at $4000 they aren't going to sell very many here. The choices from Hunt, Enve, and Roval are all much wider external the Hunt and Enve are wider internal. All of them seem to be more modern designs for a lot less money. I've never seen Winnspace on a group yet. I'd never heard of CRW prior to this episode.

[@zeuszuki6698]

Do these claimed weights include discs?

[@brasstinmancrazy]

No it's always bare wheel without rim tape and valves

[@Forstus]

what no one ever talks about is how big brands sponsor not only pro teams but also Conti, development teams etc. we are financing all this with that. This you don’t do with Chinese direct factory products, besides QC, design innovation. This is also a personal question if you wanna finance brand supporting cycling and make it grow.

[@javiermartindiez9857]

Hi Chris, great show thanks again! Comparison between Bont vaypor 2023 and nimbls? The sole in the Bont's is "flat" and the sole in the nimbls is quite curved with much more arch support. How do they feel? it would be great of you could comment on it on the show. Greetings from Spain!!!

[@adamsouthard1155]

Most of us feel like we can learn anything we want about the biggest brands. And the latest updates typically aren't that different from the previous updates. So there just isn't that much to learn. Anything you guys can give us about these are other smaller brands like L-twoo is new information for us and not easily available everywhere. So - yeah. I imagine coverage of smaller brands will get you more views.

[@angelortiz353]

I have to comment i currently own the craft wheels 40/45 and i have owned roval enve zipp and reserve and the craft blow everything out craft are the best wheels i owned so far in every way speed stiffness and lightness

[@glennoc8585]

In a mad rush for wheels manufacturers to drop wheel weight to gain market share,i feel that longevity and potentially safety becomes a secondary concern.Some of the latest sub 1400g disc wheels have very thin rim walls to the point they are not far off paper thin. Say 5 years ago a set of disc wheels ex china with light steel spokes would come in at around 1500g but the external width was 21 to 23mm and the rim wall was thicker.

[@roblewis7652]

Hand built wheels way to go, can choose, hubs, spokes and rims to suite. Recently built lightbicycle AR25 rims, tune hubs, cx ray spokes. 1035g for the pair, super smooth, completely serviceable. Internal width of 25mm. Less than £1000. Can't get close to that with brand wheels

[@JohnSmith-ck5qk]

Ive always wondered why light bicycle isn't more popular, you can pick your own spokes and they have DT Swiss, Chris King hubs, etc. and the prices are still good

[@OnyxTortoise]

I really want to see Berd make road/blade spokes out of their ultra high molecular weight polyethylene. Imagine these in blade shape.. there would be significant weight savings

[@jonathanfry2949]

What about the Decadence rim brake wheels?

[@dmalcantara]

Have them and love. Zero difference to my enve 3.4 tbh

[@MichaelWilliams-iv6dj]

What would like to see is how putting those fancy wheels from the TCR would change the ride of the S5. My experience has been that so much of the ride quality of a bike is the wheel and tire choice and less about the frame.

[@kevingregoire1042]

So bike monkeys we all are have more appreciation for miliseconds of snappy light bikes than for a speed keeping aero rig. This is why trek, cannondale, specialized, pinarello, canyon they tune aero in the front snappy in the back new bikes for grand tours. And put helmets and aero kits out there.

[@brettoau84]

That retail price on the Cadex is just ridiculous. Are they pricing them absurdly high to justify the price of the bike they come specced on?

[@blakegillmer]

So disclaimer I’m no A grade racer but do like to pin a number on. I own the CRW 50/55 wheel set. I’ve owned and own other high end wheel brands and can say the CRW are absolutely best wheels I’ve ridden and the service you get from Panda podium is better than the service you get from big name brands cause you don’t get lost process and become a number. I have these wheels on my Scott Foil 2023 rc after taking the zipp 303 firecrest off it. I have another set of Zipp NSW 303 last of the hooked which I’m tempted to replace with another set CRW in a different depth. I think there are some true Chinese brands that do the same or better job than some of our western brands do with product but now service to.

[@stephenjohnson4742]

When wheels cost more than off/less known brand. Is it because of the warranty? I know zipp and enve has a lifetime warranty on their sets. Hence why stores are telling me that you are buying the warranty.

[@yonglingng5640]

ENVE wheels have a 5-year warranty and Lifetime Incident Protection, you got it mixed up, but yes, this could be a factor as to why they cost more. Less expensive wheels usually have shorter warranty periods.

[@flix6648]

As many in the comments say the Scope Artech 4 are the best wheels on the market (for a not so constrained budget) which is true according to their specs, I think they are far too much marketing. a 3D-printed Hub outer shell with topology optimization seems too dangerous to me, as this shape doesnt allow for any imperfections and damage. And lets be honest, the bike industry is not the most conservative when it comes to using relatively new technologies for everything (unlike Aviation where the will to take risks is much lower). For me, it would be the AX Lightness ULTRA 50C. Hooked 50mm semi-wide rims and safe hub design at only 1150 grams, that should be the right compromise between performance and safety by conservative design. Also, no weired waves or sheds, cant imagine them to be that relevant.

[@HarishChouhan]

Jesse, I have FarSports wheel with DT 240 hubs, 50mm deep and weighs 1380.

[@YtseHWSW]

Why on Earth do I get ads in the middle of the sentence when listening to the Nero show on Spotify (yes, I'm a subscriber to the family plan)?

[@_gregvalencia]

I did watch multiple videos on the SRAM Red release but I think the reason the views weren't as much of a bump was because it had been leaked for so long and already had pics of the pros using it in races. It's still 12 speed, still DOT fluid, not much change in front chainring shifting/pushing 1x (maybe to downplay the front derailleur performance?). Also Jesse's point about the tech trickling up instead of down put a damper on it as well. The new tech was mostly already released and this was just bringing the Red line to parity with the lower tier instead of something new to look forward to trickling down. I tend to get excited about new tech because the previous gen gets cheaper and I'm excited for when the new stuff trickles down. There's nothing to look forward to because it'll be a while before force is updated again

[@chrisrouisse1690]

It's funny that people think of Reserve wheels being Cervelo's house brand wheels, when Reserve carbon wheels where on Santa Cruz MOUNTAIN bikes first.

[@WerdnaLiten]

They're the same company, owned by Pon.....

[@Jonbsp]

Cadex wheels are surely priced that high at rrp to make it easier to sell the Tcr spec’d with them. Giant once upon a time were spec’d with top of the line aftermarket parts. Now it’s just house brand stuff like the rest of the big players.