Donald Sadoway: The missing link to renewable energy

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@Deqster
@Deqster 5 жыл бұрын
This Ted talk needs a "where are they now" episode
@dianewallace6064
@dianewallace6064 5 жыл бұрын
So true!!!
@globalmuffin2
@globalmuffin2 5 жыл бұрын
lmao :)))
@gerrymcguire2648
@gerrymcguire2648 4 жыл бұрын
Right here. www.businesswire.com/news/home/20190923005201/en/%C2%A0NEC-Develop-Energy-Storage-Systems-Cells-Ambri
@rhelmcintyre5344
@rhelmcintyre5344 4 жыл бұрын
Yes, where are they? I only stumbled onto this today. Everyone going on about Wind farms and other renewables and no mention of this. Certainly a worthwhile alternative to others being spruiked.
@rhelmcintyre5344
@rhelmcintyre5344 4 жыл бұрын
@@gerrymcguire2648 Thanks Gerry
@yeetirosina
@yeetirosina 4 жыл бұрын
I came here from school. There was a newspaper assignment where we were supposed to read an article about better batteries. We were supposed to find the main ideas. I saw it say something about Don Sadoway having a few TED Talks. I recently watched some TED Talks, so I knew I should come here.
@jimstandish9103
@jimstandish9103 10 жыл бұрын
This video is 2.5 years old. Where are the batteries??????
@najibyarzerachic
@najibyarzerachic 10 жыл бұрын
it is here www.iflscience.com/technology/new-liquid-metal-battery-will-make-renewables-competitive
@bugs181
@bugs181 10 жыл бұрын
Most technology take on average 5 to 10 years to even become public consumer products from development. I feel that the rising energy needs have expedited this process. Only 2.5 years in and they have already released their findings to the public. Pretty good if you ask me. Where this technology will really shine is high energy demands for things like solar, wind, or other renewable energies for homes and big businesses. This technology won't have much use in mobile fields.
@Bloated_Tony_Danza
@Bloated_Tony_Danza 10 жыл бұрын
bugs181 Cars didnt, after people saw (and heard) automobiles for the first time, everyone wanted one and it just took off ever scince. Cars back then were dangerous, slow and clumsy. Eventually they even had lead in the fuel and people STILL paid for them.
@bugs181
@bugs181 10 жыл бұрын
Ilir Kumi Actually, it's not well known that the first automobiles were invented far before they become popularized. The first propelled steam automobile was invented in the 1700's. It's true that cars back then were dangerous, however that still holds true today. Fun Fact: You're far more likely to get into an automobile accident than in any other mode of transportation, including walking through a high crime neighborhood. My point was also not directed to any one technology specifically. That's generally how long it takes for technology to go from the lab to becoming consumer products. Some more, some less.
@santiagoval9899
@santiagoval9899 10 жыл бұрын
according to Ambri's website, they are testing some batteries in 2015 and, if everything works fine, expect to have a commercial "for all" product by 2016
@aldoileanumeliber
@aldoileanumeliber 3 жыл бұрын
I could listen to this man for days. Wonderful way of speaking and presenting the matter.
@NathansHVAC
@NathansHVAC 9 жыл бұрын
I'm no expert on this, but I would guess some of the complexities are: 1) Molten salt is highly corrosive. The correct stainless alloy needs to be selected and tested for the container. 2) How do you handle thermal expansion/contraction? You can't exactly have air bubbles in there. 3) One of the toughest engineering challenges for any design is low price. You can't throw a bunch of exotic nickle based metals at this problem for the container. 4) How do you re-heat to a molten state? This is why no one thought of it before. At first glimps, the problem looks very hard and expensive to solve. Also, size matters very much. Heat content is a product of volume which is a cubic exponent. Cooling is a product of area, which is a square. The volume needs to be sufficiently large so that the heat loss thru the case is minimal compared to power. This is why the ocean takes millions of years to change temperature compared to a glass of water. You are never going to see liquid metal AA cells. They would cool down in seconds.
@jimstand
@jimstand 9 жыл бұрын
NathansHVAC Your thoughts show a level of understanding that the man in the street does not have.
@dranin09
@dranin09 8 жыл бұрын
+NathansHVAC 1) Use layers of ceramic that is naturally non-reactive to corrosive materials, outside layers can be stainless alloy 2) Because the battery runs at 700 degrees the expansion and contraction is limited 3) ceramics and the materials used in the battery are abundant and relatively cheap (at this industry scale, when compared to conventional techniques) 4) the process is reversed
@yahyakhan9745
@yahyakhan9745 6 жыл бұрын
Bottom line: The reduced operating temperature (and hence, cost) simplifies the design and extends the battery’s working life, without compromising its desirable performance characteristics. The antimony produces a high operating voltage, and the system returns about 70 percent of the power that’s put into it. Also, testing has shown that after a decade of daily charging and discharging, the system should retain 85 percent of its initial efficiency. Sadoway tells Nature that a large-scale, molten-metal unit might cost around $500 per kilowatt-hour of electricity produced. “Now we understand that liquid metals bond in ways that we didn’t understand before,” he adds in a news release. The team is looking into other metal combinations that might provide even lower-temperature, lower-cost, and higher-performance systems.
@mikehillsgrove1612
@mikehillsgrove1612 6 жыл бұрын
No stainless is involved. Ceramics are require for the casings. Expansion is calculated and sufficient room left at the top Heating to temperature requires the input of electricity during the 2 phase charging process.
@Dr_Xyzt
@Dr_Xyzt 6 жыл бұрын
How do you feel about using concentrated solar light to make chemical fuel? That's what I'm studying, and it seems like a really practical solution for our farm equipment and trucks.
@antonnym214
@antonnym214 2 ай бұрын
Dr. Sadoway is beyond brilliant and creative enough to put that potential to practical use. He's a national treasure.
@rebeccasabino6897
@rebeccasabino6897 4 жыл бұрын
the audience should have laughed more when he was naming the parts like why did it fit so perfectly!
@bjorndyno2175
@bjorndyno2175 5 жыл бұрын
We are now in the last quarter of 2019. Where are the batteries???
@garybrown9719
@garybrown9719 5 жыл бұрын
Tied up
@blahdelablah
@blahdelablah 5 жыл бұрын
Ambri partnered with NEC in September 2019 to start producing their batteries at higher scale. Technologies like this take a long time to come to the market, but I'm seeing this deal as a positive sign that they're still on the right track.
@fish1968-utf8
@fish1968-utf8 9 ай бұрын
the battery is mainly for industry use due to the high temperature requirement. Its advantage over lithium battery is on number of life cycle health retenation, and larger power.
@andrewheffel928
@andrewheffel928 5 жыл бұрын
I Googled it, the liquid metal battery company's name is Ambri, and they are still developing their batteries. They had a serious problem with the high temperature battery seals and have had to invent a new chemistry for their batteries. The new chemistry is less expensive than the old one, and they project the cost of a commercial battery facility using their process will cost five times less than a lithium ion battery facility of the same size. They hope to have a working unit in 2020. They are still alive.
@bitelogger
@bitelogger 4 жыл бұрын
This guy fire me like a star, has passion, determination, knowledge man we need More people like him to improve the world!!!
@duncanwallace7760
@duncanwallace7760 10 жыл бұрын
What a great approach to one of the major issues the world faces today. It certainly sounds like a battery like no other. Presumably these batteries would be industrial rather than the sort you might have in your home, given the high temperatures needed, but maybe they could be part of new home designs somehow. Look forward to hearing how they develop!
@vincentrobinette1507
@vincentrobinette1507 6 жыл бұрын
You're right. These are specifically targeting grid scale electrical energy storage. They may not be practical for home rooftop solar, and definitely not for electric vehicles. think of this in the same category as redox flow batteries.
@michaeledwards2251
@michaeledwards2251 2 жыл бұрын
Articulated lorries and heavy vehicles are potential candidates: they would withstand the very high cycling rates needed.
@ik04
@ik04 12 жыл бұрын
This is how all TED talks should be! Chalkboards and hard science rather than fruity ideas and bogus emotional pleas... Verbally documenting an actual scientific experiment is much more entertaining than listening to mere words. Adding a great speaker is icing on the cake!
@VIIflegias
@VIIflegias 8 жыл бұрын
12:29 ok, let's see: 16 inches, meaning 4 dm. volume of device: 2^2*3.14= 12 dm^2. the height seem to be slightly more than half the radius, like 1.2-1.3 dm, so volume=15 dm^3 more or less, or 15L. meaning that the Volumetric energy density is 1000Wh / 15L = 67 Wh/L. for a lithium-ion battery it would be 250 to 620 Wh/L so best case scenario it's 4 times less energy packed (per unit volume). not the greatest but if it's scalable and versatile enough it doesn't really matter. we have twice as much anthimony as we have lithium, so that's something. i'd like to know how reversible it is though, and how difficult it is to keep the phases separated, not to mention charge loss at rest (self discharge), i can't imagine this construct being too good at actually storing energy for long periods of time.
@musaran2
@musaran2 6 жыл бұрын
Energy density does not matter much for stationary batteries. Price is where it's at.
@vincentrobinette1507
@vincentrobinette1507 6 жыл бұрын
The question is how many kWh per Kg can this store, compared to lithium? This might need many more times the antimony to store a unit of energy than lithium. I don't have the numbers. but that doesn't matter. As much energy storage as we need as a nation, NO technology is off the table. Think terawatt hours. I don't think there's enough of any resource, for any one technology to meet the demand by itself. We need everything we can get our hands on!
@ristekostadinov2820
@ristekostadinov2820 3 жыл бұрын
Im happy that he never give up even 8 years after this TED talk. I hope the project with TerraScale will be succssesful.
@jimstand
@jimstand 3 жыл бұрын
He didn't give up because he is still making money from this.
@hetaeramancer
@hetaeramancer 3 жыл бұрын
watch his lectures at MIT about solid state chemistry, they're gold
@rob87raine
@rob87raine 10 жыл бұрын
This talk is full of optimism and promise, the kind of thing you need to keep attracting research funding. Of course you try to use cheap materials, that's nothing new that's just how to maximize profits! Prof Sadoway makes it sound like it's problem solved here and that they have found the perfect battery chemistry but magnesium-antimony isn't cheap. Actually, a year later they publish a research paper saying that further research is needed both to overcome "enormous challenges" in this becoming economic, and also to explore "rich , new battery chemistries". Don't get me wrong, I wish him the best of luck but there is a race on for energy storage technologies, and it seems that thermal energy storage has many advantages over batteries: for example, allowing offices to run electric chillers at night to produce ice and move their electricity demand for cooling away from peak times. There are also power generators that can switch the balance between heat and power production at short notice without compromising efficiency in order to help balance intermittency through storing hot water in heat networks in countries that have them like Denmark.
@drury2d8
@drury2d8 7 жыл бұрын
Three years on, couldnt agree more.
@voxelmaniam
@voxelmaniam 6 жыл бұрын
Nuks are a good example of where your hypothesis fails. They went from non-existent to disrupting in 4 years.
@JodBronson
@JodBronson 6 жыл бұрын
OK, this was in 2012. I just saw an Video and he updated that it will be on the Market in about 3 Years.... 2012+2018+3= 9 Years.... So it's 6+ Years so far.... We have to wait 3 more years! :((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((( Here is the Video: kzbin.info/www/bejne/f57UnoCFoKaBnck
@vincentrobinette1507
@vincentrobinette1507 6 жыл бұрын
Magnesium seems pretty readily available, but what about Antimony? In deep cycle lead acid batteries, antimony is used as an alloy in the grids of the plates. Only about 5%. that amounts to about 2% of the overall materials in a finished lead acid battery. This battery uses 100 percent antimony as one of its electrodes. That's a lot!
@ThePintoAce
@ThePintoAce 12 жыл бұрын
Its pretty crazy how much technology has changed things. Aluminum being as precious as silver is a huge understatement. At one point it was even more valuable than gold.
@MatthewGraham027
@MatthewGraham027 10 жыл бұрын
One of the most important issues today. I hope you succeed Dr. Sadoway.
@jimstand
@jimstand 7 жыл бұрын
HE IS SUCCEEDING. He is getting very rich!
@paulbooth2608
@paulbooth2608 5 жыл бұрын
2020 .... So where are we with this? an up date Video would be well received Professor.
@soylentgreenb
@soylentgreenb 3 жыл бұрын
Not really anywhere. As far as I can tell, despite a $50 million investment by Bill Gates and some others, they seem to have only a single order for a 250 MWh calcium-antimony system that they haven't delivered yet, plus a bunch of glossy PDFs on their homepage (ambri).
@adsensedd
@adsensedd 5 жыл бұрын
2019, still no batteries. There are clearly issues with his theoretical batteries.
@r.m8146
@r.m8146 5 жыл бұрын
That's not how technology works paw, the research is still ongoing.
@mskogly
@mskogly 5 жыл бұрын
How can they get grants if they actually deliver?
@DigitalAgeInstitute
@DigitalAgeInstitute 5 жыл бұрын
@samdee pride What did this have to do with that the batteries are still not there?
@hariseldon3786
@hariseldon3786 5 жыл бұрын
Wrong - huge battery in South Australia supplied by Tesla. Works really well. reneweconomy.com.au/tesla-big-battery-in-south-australia-is-about-to-get-bigger-54935/
@georgebartholemew8444
@georgebartholemew8444 5 жыл бұрын
I never saw any research that didn't have "hiccups". We need to cooperate.
@Viracocha711
@Viracocha711 12 жыл бұрын
This was not a formal speech at a scientific convention this was a speech to the general public...BIG DIFFERENCE! This was a spectacular TED Talk as far as TED Talks go & that is why it has overwhelming praise! Having said that, your comment suggest you did not listen in terms of whether this is a reality he showed in great detail what he has already achieved & where he intends to go...Watch the talk again all the way to the end.
@kk1993kk
@kk1993kk 9 жыл бұрын
The video is quite old. Would love to see the product being used in real life. Where is it?
@jimstand
@jimstand 9 жыл бұрын
Kristiāns Karlsons It doesn't exist and won't come out as a product. Colleges use scams like this to get funding. 99% of funding goes down the drain.
@McMurchie
@McMurchie 9 жыл бұрын
jimstand Does kind of come across that way, a bit too much theatrics.
@jimstand
@jimstand 9 жыл бұрын
Adam -亚当- It is ALL theatrics. There is nothing even close to a product. It is all about getting more money to do the "research".
@McMurchie
@McMurchie 9 жыл бұрын
jimstand Yea its a sad state of affairs that they have to resort to theatrics and deception to get cash for 'science'
@sqeye
@sqeye 9 жыл бұрын
Kristiāns Karlsons notice how everything is "I" this "I" that. Not my team. Not our industry.
@LDeVaud
@LDeVaud 12 жыл бұрын
Right, but wouldn't that require that the battery always be connected? (Is there current inside a disconnected battery? I googled the question, and nothing popped up immediately) And for that matter, how do you start the battery up? Presumably after shipping it would be solid. Heat it? How?
@AjayTiwari-rw9nm
@AjayTiwari-rw9nm 5 жыл бұрын
More than 7 years now.What happened to these batteries?
@Zajebancije
@Zajebancije 5 жыл бұрын
He keeps saying "i made...., I made,...." so, where is this battery YOU made?
@blahdelablah
@blahdelablah 5 жыл бұрын
Search online for Ambri. The technology is still being developed.
@glasslinger
@glasslinger 5 жыл бұрын
Ajay: Taxpayer subsidies disappeared when the TRUE cost of the system became known!
@crisantoibarra1573
@crisantoibarra1573 5 жыл бұрын
This video is almost 8 years old. Is this battery now commercialy produced? Even just in US?
@meagain2222
@meagain2222 6 жыл бұрын
A forty foot shipping container for every 200 homes sounds super expensive.Antimony is almost run out of supply.And all those batteries in a container would melt them selves. My favorite is pumped water storage.This is cheap efficient and can match loads easily. Capital cost is high but operating costs are very very low.
@lordfnord5768
@lordfnord5768 5 жыл бұрын
Nothing is "almost run out of supply." Do you know how much seawater there is in the world. Me neither, but lots. Use of the word "shortage" without a price should be a Federal felony.
@GASmotorsports
@GASmotorsports 12 жыл бұрын
As a substation electrician apprentice the heat these things generate makes me nervous as it pertains to maintenance. Wont this thing demand a hell of an inverter? if you put one of these in every wind and solar generation yard are you suggesting we produce the power in dc? What is the projected life of this battery? As a Conceptually this talk is on point but it leaves me with so many questions technically.
@MmmCouchPotato
@MmmCouchPotato 12 жыл бұрын
"And the way he structured this presentation!" Honestly curious, how did he structure it?
@LA-MJ
@LA-MJ 12 жыл бұрын
Great talk. The problem is your locally-sourced dirt-cheap magnesium costs around a buck per pound and antimony actually costs a few bucks per pound and uses Chinese ore:P
@coal2710
@coal2710 6 жыл бұрын
"The electricity powering the lights in this theater was generated moments ago." Electricity is a type of energy and most of the electricity is generated by burning fossil fuels. They release chemical energy and in power plants we first transform it to mechanical, then with generators to electricity. Most of the power plants don't store energy. They send along transmission lines as it is generated, but is not stored. That's why he is right.
@vincentrobinette1507
@vincentrobinette1507 6 жыл бұрын
correction: a moment ago. Electricity travels quite quickly. Moments, in this context, are measured in micro seconds!
@TheLivirus
@TheLivirus 12 жыл бұрын
Wow, this guy is damn proud of his invention. He should be! Thank you Donald Sadoway and involved students for making our future look a bit brighter! :)
@royanaderi7340
@royanaderi7340 5 жыл бұрын
Lets "Invent" our way out the old-fashioned American way. I love his practical and analytical mind process.
@jfausset
@jfausset 11 жыл бұрын
You are correct, sir. Entropy is the killer. It is inevitable, but can be delayed. Conceptually and principally, the problem we have is more of a consumption problem. The common person is not motivated to change that, though. I think this presenter is right to try to improve storage, but to your point, much more should be done to reduce consumption, and to teach people how to capture it at points of application (houses, buildings, cars) in low-cost, simple ways.
@yesanything4668
@yesanything4668 8 жыл бұрын
Next step: capture lightning and store it!
@lightshipchief
@lightshipchief 5 жыл бұрын
I have a can of light. Every time I look in the can it is still there.
@pip0109
@pip0109 4 жыл бұрын
aka Black Magic
@pavelbaidurov228
@pavelbaidurov228 6 жыл бұрын
I'm a bit stupid, what is the cost of 1Kw/h and how much watts per KG it has? Thanks!
@duniayangbaru
@duniayangbaru 10 жыл бұрын
Science as that simple.! All brother and sister around the world, welcome to a new era of renewable energy.
@Galactis1
@Galactis1 6 жыл бұрын
What are the deminishing returns? How long does the metals take to degrade, how long does a specified output stay high enough until it's need to be replaced.
@idesofmarchUNIAEA
@idesofmarchUNIAEA 4 жыл бұрын
6:26 I like your concept of liquid salt, however I would use a thorium molten salt reactor to produce electricity. Only because that, there would be byproducts, that would be more valuable. Molybdenum 99 for cancer therapies and cancer research, xenon for interstellar space travel, excess heat for water desalinization, etc. your plan produces none of these byproducts. Build a model, too many moving parts, in concept to production. The field application is brilliant. However, for mass consumption, mass generation is workable. In my model you just have thorium reactors on a grid, the grid sends power to where it is necessary. In your model mining, manufacturing, and distribution of your batteries is too many moving parts. Military and government applications, need your battery.
@willjones8591
@willjones8591 4 жыл бұрын
Awesome! Puzzling to me why nuclear power isn't more widely used.
@youmeandeveryone5893
@youmeandeveryone5893 4 жыл бұрын
What is the final battery composition??? Why he didn't tell it? Where's the company?
@jimstand
@jimstand 9 жыл бұрын
It has been more than 3 years since this speech. We were supposed to have something in 2014. Nothing!! Maybe next year. Or the year after that, or the year after that, or the year..........
@yuvarajaas2531
@yuvarajaas2531 9 жыл бұрын
jimstand They are making progress. Refer to the link www.ambri.com/ It may take quite some time to come into large scale commercial production.
@jimstand
@jimstand 9 жыл бұрын
Yuvarajaa S When? When? This is nothing more than a money hole.
@littleheath1666
@littleheath1666 9 жыл бұрын
Tesla's batteries have arrived .
@jimstand
@jimstand 9 жыл бұрын
Philip Hunter Calling something "Tesla's batteries" does not make them so.
@jimstand
@jimstand 9 жыл бұрын
Thien Dinh Next year, it is always next year.
@bob15479
@bob15479 5 жыл бұрын
How efficient are these? Sounds like a lot of heat is lost.
@Fusselwurmify
@Fusselwurmify 12 жыл бұрын
Asking the big G for "liquid metal battery" showed me this: (wikipedia) Sodium-sulfur batteries. with ~160MW installed on wind farms inJapan
@averagejoe8255
@averagejoe8255 3 жыл бұрын
Does anyone know the brand of liquid metal being used? Is it LQMT (Liquid Metal Technologies)? Does anyone know? Or is it their own formulation? Please advise?
@lepantzeus1
@lepantzeus1 9 жыл бұрын
Rather than trying to store electricity, we should store water. A water reservoir can store water either from natural water flows or pumped up a grade and then release the water when energy when needed.
@424io
@424io 9 жыл бұрын
small town prerequisite: dig a hole large enough for to be filled with rain showers, then and only then may this town be acknowledged Into the state.
@424io
@424io 9 жыл бұрын
: Inventor of AC. A man 90% responsible for our way of life. The person that could have but is still somehow propelling us into the future, exponential bounds at a time.
@revan6614
@revan6614 8 жыл бұрын
+lepantzeus1 Hydroelectric power is extremely inefficient and takes up such a massive amount of space to produce such a low energy output.
@lepantzeus1
@lepantzeus1 8 жыл бұрын
+Ryan Kenway True, but hydroelectric reservoirs also provide reliable water supplies for homes, businesses, manufacturing and agriculture as well as recreation, in addition to reliable electrical power. The fundamental problem with solar and wind energy is that they aren't reliable. Solar can't work at night. Wind can't work on a still day. Hydroelectric provides both water and power, reliably. If you want biofuel crops, reliable water supplies are critical. ;-)
@abdullateefibrahim4914
@abdullateefibrahim4914 6 жыл бұрын
How long can this system hold the energy input? How does cooling affect the energy recovery
@andraslibal
@andraslibal 5 жыл бұрын
The problems with the batteries is the same as with solar and wind: energy density.
@hariseldon3786
@hariseldon3786 5 жыл бұрын
reneweconomy.com.au/tesla-big-battery-in-south-australia-is-about-to-get-bigger-54935/
@haliax8149
@haliax8149 5 жыл бұрын
@@hariseldon3786 You've pointed to a horribly inefficient and expensive installation.
@garybarbourii8274
@garybarbourii8274 4 жыл бұрын
That's only a problem for mobile applications. The power grid does everything big, so a battery the size of a shipping container is no issue at all, if it works
@xRA1D32x
@xRA1D32x 12 жыл бұрын
How do you build one!? Please open source the blue prints and production method!
@Wilburinsky
@Wilburinsky 8 жыл бұрын
I honestly dont understand the opposition to renewable energy. Beyond the obvious beneficial environmental impacts, we complain about the economy(which is actually doing just fine) but anyways I have to imagine an energy infrastructure overhaul on a national scale would be a colossal economic stimulant. You would have large quantities of engineers, technicians, construction workers, and everybody else associated gainfully employed. Im totally open and curious to feedback about the opposition to renewable cleaner energy. I just honestly dont understand it
@theultimatereductionist7592
@theultimatereductionist7592 8 жыл бұрын
+Will Parsons Agreed with everything else you said, but the economy is doing terribly. I and my friends are paid less now ($8 an hour) compared to what we made in the 1980s: $14 an hour.
@brettrasmussen413
@brettrasmussen413 8 жыл бұрын
+Will Parsons Will, there was a time when I used to share your enthusiasm for so called renewable energy, the problem with wind and solar etc is different depending who you are talking to, some argue against the economics, others against the clean label given to them, both of these arguments are quite valid I think, but for me it boils down to NET ENERGY. That is, the energy "profit" of the technology after a thorough accounting for all the energy inputs to deploy and maintain it for it's complete life cycle. Net energy is a concept that should be front and centre in any discussion of energy production but sadly it is usually not considered at all. In the case of wind and solar, net energy is way too low to run a techno-industrial-consumer culture like the one we have running right now.
@dranin09
@dranin09 8 жыл бұрын
+brett rasmussen It is not considered because Net-energy does not account for the limitations (abundance, effect on the environment) of the resource that is consumed. If we wanted the highest 'net-energy' we would still be digging up local coal for coalplants.
@merc340sr
@merc340sr 8 жыл бұрын
+Will Parsons Try cost. Plain and simple. Renewable energy will never gain widespread public acceptance until it can be shown to be a more cost effective alternative to fossil fuels. Maybe this could happen in 20-50 years. But it hasn't happened yet.
@bobsaturday4273
@bobsaturday4273 7 жыл бұрын
Will Parsons whats to understand ? any threat to the status quo of the huge gouging and profits . the dumbing down of the public with antiquated technology promoted and innovation suppressed is also key in controlling the minds of stupid oppulent masses of sheeple
@OhManTFE
@OhManTFE 12 жыл бұрын
Wow, this was a fantastic talk. Innovative, informative, and humorous.
@plazachiconcuac
@plazachiconcuac 4 жыл бұрын
I am in 2020. Interesting. Is there an update on the matter?
@VersinKettorix
@VersinKettorix 4 жыл бұрын
ambri.com/
@awdrifter3394
@awdrifter3394 Жыл бұрын
It's been 11 years and this battery still haven't hit the market.
@twelvewingproductions7508
@twelvewingproductions7508 6 жыл бұрын
Great closing line. Unfortunately these batteries didn't pan out. My guess is that there are too many differences between the way these batteries work and the way more standard solutions work. The biggest hole that I found in this is the idea that these batteries would be used for short term. Basically as a capacitor, it is used only for brief periods when it is not being charged. The problem there is that a battery in it's penultimate form would take a charge and be able to keep that charge for weeks or even years. This battery can't continue to operate long without input. How long I don't know.. but something has to keep it hot. My guess is that "something" is electricity. There is no free lunch here. Molten salt "batteries" are already in use in a more pure form.. solar to to heat. My guess is that doing it that way is many orders of magnitude more efficient for short term storage than the idea he presented. When I was first seeing this video, I thought he was talking about a flow battery. In a flow battery, electricity is used to plate zinc. When called for, the Zinc is allowed to lift off the plate back into solution.. creating electricity. Elegant, fairly simple. The problem with flow batteries is the mass. You don't get a whole lot of current per plate, so you need a lot of them to provide useful power. But it IS possible. Anyway, I did enjoy the final quote. That part is true and worthy no matter if the idea panned out or not. Sometimes we do things because it's worth while to try them.
@andrewlechner6343
@andrewlechner6343 2 жыл бұрын
Seems they did pan out or are at least extremely likely to. They achieved certification last month and will likely ship product to their first commercial customer this year. They also seem to have changed their company name to Ambri as well.
@seachemistry
@seachemistry 2 жыл бұрын
They did work out, Ambri is the rebrand they have more staff than ever and have been certified.
@makesolarpanelstored
@makesolarpanelstored 10 жыл бұрын
thank you very much for explaining it well.... learning more about renewable is amazing..
@valhala56
@valhala56 8 жыл бұрын
It's 2016, four years from the date of this video. So where are the liquid batteries?
@valhala56
@valhala56 8 жыл бұрын
+valhala56 This guy reminds me of Howie Mandel. Also where is the battery he promised?
@derkukk
@derkukk 8 жыл бұрын
+valhala56 Bad economy happened: fortune.com/2015/09/11/liquid-metal-battery-layoffs/
@_A_D_
@_A_D_ 8 жыл бұрын
Bill Gates happened.
@cornstar1253
@cornstar1253 6 жыл бұрын
The men in black took them/sarc
@grendelum
@grendelum 6 жыл бұрын
kzbin.info/www/bejne/aoCrpKePlNB-i7s A different, but totally viable and consumer ready, liquid battery.
@ernestotamayo2819
@ernestotamayo2819 4 жыл бұрын
So how would we describe magnet cells or magnet batteries?
@stevenator0281
@stevenator0281 9 жыл бұрын
This guy rules!
@cornstar1253
@cornstar1253 6 жыл бұрын
Meh only in theory
@vascoribeiro69
@vascoribeiro69 6 жыл бұрын
That has been done in Portugal for more than 40 years. It is called gravitional potencial energy (GPE). In the hours when you have low consumption, at night and weekends, this energy is pumped upstream in a reservoir, to be used latter when needed. In first place was to be used by energy produced by thermal coal plants that could not be stopped, now it uses all the excess energy in the grid. This let us to have days only on renewable energy.
@D3mi4n
@D3mi4n 12 жыл бұрын
"we are going to invent it... the american way" 5 seconds later "the battery was invented by an italian"
@jamesmorton7881
@jamesmorton7881 5 жыл бұрын
YOU know, outsource it. Learn Chinese, get a good job. DUMP TRUMP NOW.
@genelakenetau
@genelakenetau 5 жыл бұрын
And made in China
@MrGonzonator
@MrGonzonator 4 жыл бұрын
He's Canadian
@TheAwesomefunny
@TheAwesomefunny 4 жыл бұрын
Lol isnt that the american way? Get the smartest people from all around the world and get them to build stuff as "American products"
@michaelgonzalez9058
@michaelgonzalez9058 2 жыл бұрын
Don sadaway teach us electronics addition & Division technology Simply multiplication
@dookiecheez
@dookiecheez 12 жыл бұрын
Would you also say that plants, in absorbing sunlight for their metabolism prevent light from becoming heat? So after hitting the atmosphere, and the solar panel (which heats up), after some of it is not absorbed, and is partially reflected, after some of it is lost in transmission, what proportion of the heat is actually being displaced?
@brettb9194
@brettb9194 6 жыл бұрын
Seven years, no sign... if alt energy worked, it wouldn't be alt energy.
@MrSpiker26
@MrSpiker26 5 жыл бұрын
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sodium%E2%80%93sulfur_battery
@wwabete2009
@wwabete2009 Ай бұрын
"For inventing inventors"!! That was a beautiful line for humanity!!!!
@drjukebox
@drjukebox 6 жыл бұрын
There hasn't been any real breakthroughs in battery chemistry the last one hundred years. In packaging and manufacturing yes, but we still have only the same basic technology. This guys major talent is probably fund raising, going on for eight years now with no product. A lot of that going on in the battery business.
@micbarker6256
@micbarker6256 6 жыл бұрын
Not true. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lithium-ion_battery
@cooterhazzardbhogg8236
@cooterhazzardbhogg8236 6 жыл бұрын
True. Musk is another one raking in the investors
@jitendrajena4229
@jitendrajena4229 6 жыл бұрын
,
@jackliu6027
@jackliu6027 6 жыл бұрын
No commercial products after 7 years with such a straightforward and simple design? How many hours have your team been working?
@RobertBeriault753
@RobertBeriault753 6 жыл бұрын
The professor sounds more salesman-like than professorial.
@flightrisk7566
@flightrisk7566 6 жыл бұрын
there is no contradiction between salesmanship and professionalism salesmen are practitioners of a profession
@LordDragon1965
@LordDragon1965 6 жыл бұрын
He's both
@adamnilsson566
@adamnilsson566 6 жыл бұрын
I feel like he mostly sounds enthusiastic about his and his students invention.
@GuyBrushThriftnood
@GuyBrushThriftnood 6 жыл бұрын
My distaste for a talk increases each time the speaker uses the word "I"
@taunteratwill1787
@taunteratwill1787 5 жыл бұрын
@@GuyBrushThriftnood The 'word' I ?
@Zedprice
@Zedprice 12 жыл бұрын
5) How well it ages. How many discharges can these batteries handle before they have to be replaced?
@CK-fq9lk
@CK-fq9lk 10 жыл бұрын
Hahaha you gotta love his sense of humor 😂😂
@236Mars
@236Mars 5 жыл бұрын
Great job Professor. I think you and your team will crack this soon...
@MohamedAnsari_H
@MohamedAnsari_H 4 жыл бұрын
Thumbs up if you came here after watching Real Engineering.
@_Parth_Rathod_
@_Parth_Rathod_ 4 жыл бұрын
yes i do
@nathanchildress5596
@nathanchildress5596 3 жыл бұрын
Absolutely. Love that channel
@gabrielkanaan3872
@gabrielkanaan3872 3 жыл бұрын
And if you haven't, you should go now watch it
@jimstand
@jimstand 3 жыл бұрын
This video has NOTHING to do with real engineering.
@jimstand
@jimstand 4 жыл бұрын
I have been following this video for more than 5 years now. It is a total of 8 years since this Ted talk. Where are the batteries? A press release and a fancy website does not count.
@albertjackson9236
@albertjackson9236 6 жыл бұрын
This man appears to me to be more hype than true science & engineering.
@joemc111
@joemc111 5 жыл бұрын
Albert Jackson just another guy that ant got crap.
@beenn15
@beenn15 3 жыл бұрын
AMBRI
@Carnutzjoe
@Carnutzjoe 7 жыл бұрын
There needs to be a KZbin setting to screen outdated videos.
@gabel13
@gabel13 8 жыл бұрын
this guy wears his watch over his shirt, can't trust him
@johnh7101
@johnh7101 8 жыл бұрын
+Gabe Barouh How insightful of you. I agree with you, that's freaky and a little scary too.
@StefanReich
@StefanReich 7 жыл бұрын
lol
@Channel4Nature
@Channel4Nature 7 жыл бұрын
He want to save time
@WadcaWymiaru
@WadcaWymiaru 6 жыл бұрын
What he talk suit him, not the clothes...
@qaz9258
@qaz9258 6 жыл бұрын
An inventor thinks out side the box, the box that is completely imaginary. the boxy that says no^3. That one has to have his watch under his shirt is an imagined wall. It makes so much more sense to put the bulky and informative item over the thin constraining item.Thus another proof his thinking is not bound by others imagined limits. So you are are left in the dust with your lack of trust we are gaining trust to break this crust.
@masluxx
@masluxx 12 жыл бұрын
i am curiuos what the loss of energy is between the Mg & Sb and MgSb and back to Mg & Sb. Also i am curiuos if they have a way to radate off execive heat in high demand or charge cycles(easy fix if they look at old soviet sub reactor designs, which will produce more energy)...i have tons of otehr questions also, but an hopeful this can work.
@scottbros6368
@scottbros6368 5 жыл бұрын
March 2012 preaching a new battery?? February 2019...where is this magical battery???????
@bartoszbarejko1585
@bartoszbarejko1585 5 жыл бұрын
This liqiude metal is not good Technology. I am starting soon with 90 % H2O2 Batteries in Graphene.
@bradhaaf4749
@bradhaaf4749 5 жыл бұрын
Found it, though different chemistry. www.forbes.com/sites/natalieparletta/2019/04/03/new-thermal-battery-could-be-a-game-changer-for-storing-renewable-energy/#48ab080d4f95
@hariseldon3786
@hariseldon3786 5 жыл бұрын
reneweconomy.com.au/tesla-big-battery-in-south-australia-is-about-to-get-bigger-54935/
@jakedevents
@jakedevents 10 жыл бұрын
That is what I was thinking too, for at those high temperatures what kind of crucible could withstand the corrosive forces for a prolonged period of time?
@MrGerdbrecht
@MrGerdbrecht 6 жыл бұрын
Do you ask about corrosive forces in nuclear plants too?
@EddieVBlueIsland
@EddieVBlueIsland 5 жыл бұрын
Now its 8 years where' s my flying car?
@HKspurs10
@HKspurs10 4 жыл бұрын
is this the same as vanadium redox flow battery?
@aniksamiurrahman6365
@aniksamiurrahman6365 6 жыл бұрын
Wow! Professor Sadoway is a great motivational speaker! I bet he makes his students work to death(with passion) LOL!
@46monkeyes
@46monkeyes 4 жыл бұрын
Anik Samiur Rahman Were you one of his students at MIT?
@HaydenLam1337
@HaydenLam1337 12 жыл бұрын
I want to know price, and whether it can be implemented at a household level...
@chapter4travels
@chapter4travels 5 жыл бұрын
A giant battery would make wind and solar outrageously expensive.
@nukeelda
@nukeelda 5 жыл бұрын
I'm asking professor:Did you use natural balance in Weight between 2 chemical's, I would waight them in pythagoras way or golden ratio...
@brewmaster95060
@brewmaster95060 10 жыл бұрын
the word average is dangerous PEAK usage is what I what to know
@dranin09
@dranin09 8 жыл бұрын
+brewmaster95060 You can lower peak-usage because of batteries, 'averaging' out the usage. It's not dangerous it's math.
@jimstand
@jimstand 3 жыл бұрын
@@dranin09 And you don't understand the application of math to this problem.
@Williraser
@Williraser 12 жыл бұрын
what if there is no current going through the batterie, is it going to cool down and become solid because i think that would be a problem. good idea but not gonna happen if you could loose all your batteries just by 1 shortcut
@Arnond35
@Arnond35 11 жыл бұрын
Did he just add another step towards T-1000?
@dezertmiragez
@dezertmiragez 12 жыл бұрын
This is why I subscribe to TED. Videos like this
@jimstand
@jimstand 3 жыл бұрын
And no batteries to show for it.
@sportbikeguy9875
@sportbikeguy9875 5 жыл бұрын
"were not going to conserve, drill or bomb our way out, we are going to do it the old fashioned American way" LOL how ironic....
@blaked7532
@blaked7532 3 жыл бұрын
Is that Hagoromo your using on the blackboard?
@wesleycooper7159
@wesleycooper7159 5 жыл бұрын
I thought batteries came from Iraq in the middle east? The Bagdad batteries.
@MithranArkanere
@MithranArkanere 12 жыл бұрын
Are they making SAI backup batteries like that? Last time I checked they way horribly expensive.
@robertebersold3817
@robertebersold3817 5 жыл бұрын
I wonder if Elon Musk watched this video....
@AtlasFullsun
@AtlasFullsun 6 жыл бұрын
How do you keep the metal and salt liquid?
@jimstand
@jimstand 3 жыл бұрын
With heat.
@Ctajm
@Ctajm 5 жыл бұрын
7 years ago now. No batteries.
@r.m8146
@r.m8146 5 жыл бұрын
news.mit.edu/2018/metal-mesh-membrane-rechargeable-batteries-renewable-energy-0122
@Wurtle38
@Wurtle38 12 жыл бұрын
sorry if this is a stupid question, but how do you maintain, I'm guessing 1200 F all the time?
@TheJamescomiskey
@TheJamescomiskey 11 жыл бұрын
THE GOOD OLD AMERICAN WAY GET PEOPLE FROM OTHER COUNTIES TO INVENT SOLUTIONS AND THEN BUY THEM!
@kussh100
@kussh100 5 жыл бұрын
whats the cost of these giant batteries, if any were made? its almost end of 2019 now
@popifar
@popifar 12 жыл бұрын
they had to invent their bombs first
@xapemanx
@xapemanx 12 жыл бұрын
what is the efficiency of the battery?
@cancoteli9669
@cancoteli9669 10 жыл бұрын
Thumbs up for 3.091 !!
@bestnocture
@bestnocture 9 жыл бұрын
bothumbs up
@brendan0077
@brendan0077 12 жыл бұрын
Why does 720p load faster than 360p?
@cedriceveleigh
@cedriceveleigh 8 жыл бұрын
There's quite a few useless ted talks now days, but this one's definitely not one of them!
@jimstand
@jimstand 5 жыл бұрын
You are falling for a com man. You don't understand the science.
@archaedemos
@archaedemos 12 жыл бұрын
Just watched you on Colbert!! and also watched some MIT vids in the past ,Big fan!, You are a very smart man! great upload!
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